THIS COMMENT SECTION IS PACKED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RACIST. I MADE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE I AM RACIST. PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE THAT RACISM IS JUST A TERRITORIAL INSTINCT THAT ALL HUMANS HAVE, OR AT LEAST MOST OF US.
@subbie241 lol you're fucked in the head, europeans were here first? you kidding yourself mate. sounds like you have alot of anger.. keep venting on youtube. it really shows how much of a fuckwit you are.. and how much of a pussy you are.. you only do it cause ur hiding behind ur screen lol. so don't abuse me because of race or anything, i have my opinion and u have urs.. so lets leave it at that. or give me an address and we can sort it out like men
@subbie241 hahahaha well obviously ur thinking about me enough to reply, and u really think that upsets me? lol try harder bro!! cause what you have to say don't mean shit if you aint man enough to back it up and say it too my face, like i said in my last post give me an address and we can sort it out mate :) or are you just a little racist pussy behind his computer screen? subbie 241 stop being so scared lol come out and play bro!! :D
Maori got completely ripped off by the crown, and settlements are necessary, to make up for this financial loss. But as for having preferential treatment or tailored policies to Maori needs. I think that is backwards and racist in itself.
at the end of the day new zealand is maori land and is owed to them.. really all of you should go back to where your from or where your parents or grandparents came from. Their people suffered and this is the least you can fucking do. or fucken pay rent, one or the other..
@Frethaygil Just because the majority agreed with Brash doesn't make him right - it makes him someone who is attempting (and succeeding) to appeal to the dominant view in New Zealand. If you had of asked people in the 1950s whether women deserved a special place in the world (the implication being - do they deserve equal opportunities in terms of social power) the answer would have been a resounding "no" as well.
@hotlinkcinema Maori definitely do deserve equal opportunities. It's the unequal opportunities that Dr. Brash, and the rest of many New Zealanders do not agree about. There are many unequal benefits throughout the country which are Maori only. This is completely unfair, and no they do not deserve a special place in New Zealand in terms of that.
@otsangster In this case you are incorrect. Special does not *imply* special. An implication is something unsaid - ie. non explicit. Now, as to what the implications of special are in the case of Brash is certainly up for debate. But you know where I stand on this one.
You're a self-contradicting moron. Equality should mean equal treatment of all and equal opportunity. Oh and your comparison fails because women asked for equal treatment, not priviledges and special treatment.
@AtheistTower Nice insults. Stick to arguing the points please. Equal treatment for all is not supported by Dr. Brash. He states "One LAW for all." How is the law fair and just when those who are economically more powerful in society can afford the best lawyers (ie. the rich)? And women did technically ask for privileges - for instance, the right to an abortion, which is not about equality - it is about addressing an issue specific to women and their bodies. Not for equality.
You're solution is moronic: you're saying that because we allow money to corrupt our political system we should corrupt our legal system even further to compensate. That doesn't solve anything and sounds almost like an excuse. Abortion a priviledge? My gosh you should stop speaking now, the sheer amount of stupidity that comes out of you can't be matched.
@AtheistTower I said nothing of the kind. All I said was that opportunities are dependent on economic conditions, hence equal opportunities require economic conditions to be taken into account. And yes, unfortunately abortion at the time was considered a 'privilege' (given that it was, and still is, illegal in many places). What is difficult to understand about this? Last warning about unwarranted insults.
The ability to get a primary, secondary and tertiary education in this country does not depend on one's own economic background, in fact you will be supported more by student allowances if you go into tertiary education - and education is the single most liberating factor for getting anyone out of the poverty cycle. John Key is a good example of that; being brought up in a single mother household yet going onto to go to Harvard University.
@AtheistTower Also - what constitutes "equal opportunity"?? For instance, schooling was institutionally sexist long after women fought for equal rights - and this meant that there were not equal opportunities for women to achieve in the same areas (particularly culturally and economically powerful positions). This was a similar situation for both Maori and the working class. Hence, ensuring equal opportunity is extremely complex and difficult when talking about culturally marginalised groups.
@ryanthomasmccallum He is interested in banging on about money, isn't he. And you're right - if he was looking to expose himself as a ill informed bigot, then he certainly couldn't have said it any better.
@hotlinkcinema hes not a bigot, look up the meaning, but if you go over the act policies they are extremly liberal, and not race motivated at all, its about equal rights for everyone, im not voting for them but i think they have some good concepts
@ryanthomasmccallum Explain to me how the law guarantees equal rights for everyone when the cost of a good lawyer prohibits everyone from getting the same treatment legally? He wants to preserve the status quo - which means excluding those in positions of poverty from getting the same representation. Act liberal? Hahahaha. He is race motivated - he is appealing to racially ignorant 'middle' New Zealand. But y'know, given your last comment I am sure we will just have to agree to disagree.
@hotlinkcinema wel im a student right, and to me it seem fuckn unfair that, if i want to do med to get in2 second year i prety much have to get a 90+ percent average, but if i had 1 drop of maori blood in me that can drop to about 75 percent how is that fair and liberal
Lets look at unviersity entrance for example, instead of making it easier for them to get into university they should have to follow the same standard as everyone else. How will giving them the message that everything is easier for them promote hard work? The current laws are racist. Why should a Maori get easier entrance into university then their neighbours who are pakeha but happen to live in very similar circumstances?
@mason1hg Those are issues that are worth exploring (as someone like Hone Harawira is doing for instance, who wants to improve university entrance for marginalised communities in general - not something Brash is interested in). However, this misses the point. Brash advocates a 'one law for all' society (not just in terms of Maori and Pakeha, but also in terms of rich and poor, etc.). However, the problem with this is that it doesn't take into account historical factors or economic inequality.
@hotlinkcinema I don't see why economic inquality should be taken into account at all. There are pakeha/ Indians / Asians in the same financial situation as Polynesians/Maori and yet they don't have access to this easier entrance? Historical factors? How backwards are we? If you could elaborate on these factors, that would be good.
@mason1hg Furthermore, to call the current laws racist, for me, is a gross oversimplification. The current laws were put in place to attempt to deal with historical inequality which has produced Maori largely as a working class population (look into the 'Native Schools' for instance which purposefully restricted Maori learning and economic development for decades). The current laws may well not be working, as Hone Harawira has stated, but it doesn't make them 'racist'.
@mason1hg Possibly they shouldn't, but the answer is not Brash's "one law for all." This would ensure an inherent classism and elitism in university (have a look at stats of who went to university before any of these reforms took place in the 60s). The answer is not supporting someone like Brash, but someone like Hariwera who wants increased opportunity for the poor and marginalized IN GENERAL (rather than simply returning to an unequal system which privileges the rich - such as Brash wants).
Well to be fair they shouldnt have a special place. This is one country with many different peoples, you cant always be putting the needs/wants of one race over another. Thats what we like to call racism.
@HalyahS Well, to be fair, pakeha in power put their needs above Maori (and working class pakeha - which Harawira acknowledges) for more than 100 years. Pakeha (in general) already have a 'special' place in Aotearoa (if we read 'special' as meaning access to political, economic and cultural power) so of course Maori should have a special place in this country, as well. And what do 'we' call someone like Brash who puts the needs of the rich above the poor? Riddle me that Batman.
uuhh am i supposed to think maori do? cus i 100% agree every one is equal. get it through your head
Foes4Life 3 months ago
THIS COMMENT SECTION IS PACKED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RACIST. I MADE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE I AM RACIST. PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE THAT RACISM IS JUST A TERRITORIAL INSTINCT THAT ALL HUMANS HAVE, OR AT LEAST MOST OF US.
oldleekumboozie 3 months ago
@subbie241 lol you're fucked in the head, europeans were here first? you kidding yourself mate. sounds like you have alot of anger.. keep venting on youtube. it really shows how much of a fuckwit you are.. and how much of a pussy you are.. you only do it cause ur hiding behind ur screen lol. so don't abuse me because of race or anything, i have my opinion and u have urs.. so lets leave it at that. or give me an address and we can sort it out like men
tylersao 3 months ago
@tylersao why would I waste my fucking energy even thinking about you , you fucking piece of coconut whale shit.
subbie241 3 months ago
@subbie241 hahahaha well obviously ur thinking about me enough to reply, and u really think that upsets me? lol try harder bro!! cause what you have to say don't mean shit if you aint man enough to back it up and say it too my face, like i said in my last post give me an address and we can sort it out mate :) or are you just a little racist pussy behind his computer screen? subbie 241 stop being so scared lol come out and play bro!! :D
tylersao 3 months ago
DON BRASH , FUCKING LEGEND
subbie241 3 months ago
Nope.avi
MrRubidium 3 months ago
Maori got completely ripped off by the crown, and settlements are necessary, to make up for this financial loss. But as for having preferential treatment or tailored policies to Maori needs. I think that is backwards and racist in itself.
Playboysmurf1 4 months ago
at the end of the day new zealand is maori land and is owed to them.. really all of you should go back to where your from or where your parents or grandparents came from. Their people suffered and this is the least you can fucking do. or fucken pay rent, one or the other..
tylersao 4 months ago
you shouldn't pretend that this is authorized by ACT. if you support them, you won't interfere with their media campaign.
ReturnOfTheSkyRaider 4 months ago
he gets my vote.
pwND001 4 months ago
John Key Profit From NZ Foreign Debt? Conflict of interest?
john1962712 4 months ago
@john1962712 Yep. Nailed it.
hotlinkcinema 4 months ago
So good
trademestuff 4 months ago
Brash is right.
Also, let's remember that the poll featured in this episode asked the public the same question - and the majority of NZers agreed with Dr Brash.
Frethaygil 4 months ago 3
@Frethaygil Just because the majority agreed with Brash doesn't make him right - it makes him someone who is attempting (and succeeding) to appeal to the dominant view in New Zealand. If you had of asked people in the 1950s whether women deserved a special place in the world (the implication being - do they deserve equal opportunities in terms of social power) the answer would have been a resounding "no" as well.
hotlinkcinema 4 months ago
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MEagle16 4 months ago
@hotlinkcinema Maori definitely do deserve equal opportunities. It's the unequal opportunities that Dr. Brash, and the rest of many New Zealanders do not agree about. There are many unequal benefits throughout the country which are Maori only. This is completely unfair, and no they do not deserve a special place in New Zealand in terms of that.
JimmyCheeseball 3 months ago
@hotlinkcinema incorrect. "special" does not imply "equal". it implies "special".
otsangster 3 months ago
@otsangster In this case you are incorrect. Special does not *imply* special. An implication is something unsaid - ie. non explicit. Now, as to what the implications of special are in the case of Brash is certainly up for debate. But you know where I stand on this one.
hotlinkcinema 3 months ago
@hotlinkcinema
You're a self-contradicting moron. Equality should mean equal treatment of all and equal opportunity. Oh and your comparison fails because women asked for equal treatment, not priviledges and special treatment.
AtheistTower 3 months ago
@AtheistTower Nice insults. Stick to arguing the points please. Equal treatment for all is not supported by Dr. Brash. He states "One LAW for all." How is the law fair and just when those who are economically more powerful in society can afford the best lawyers (ie. the rich)? And women did technically ask for privileges - for instance, the right to an abortion, which is not about equality - it is about addressing an issue specific to women and their bodies. Not for equality.
hotlinkcinema 3 months ago
@hotlinkcinema
You're solution is moronic: you're saying that because we allow money to corrupt our political system we should corrupt our legal system even further to compensate. That doesn't solve anything and sounds almost like an excuse. Abortion a priviledge? My gosh you should stop speaking now, the sheer amount of stupidity that comes out of you can't be matched.
AtheistTower 3 months ago
@AtheistTower I said nothing of the kind. All I said was that opportunities are dependent on economic conditions, hence equal opportunities require economic conditions to be taken into account. And yes, unfortunately abortion at the time was considered a 'privilege' (given that it was, and still is, illegal in many places). What is difficult to understand about this? Last warning about unwarranted insults.
hotlinkcinema 3 months ago
@hotlinkcinema
The ability to get a primary, secondary and tertiary education in this country does not depend on one's own economic background, in fact you will be supported more by student allowances if you go into tertiary education - and education is the single most liberating factor for getting anyone out of the poverty cycle. John Key is a good example of that; being brought up in a single mother household yet going onto to go to Harvard University.
AtheistTower 3 months ago
@AtheistTower Also - what constitutes "equal opportunity"?? For instance, schooling was institutionally sexist long after women fought for equal rights - and this meant that there were not equal opportunities for women to achieve in the same areas (particularly culturally and economically powerful positions). This was a similar situation for both Maori and the working class. Hence, ensuring equal opportunity is extremely complex and difficult when talking about culturally marginalised groups.
hotlinkcinema 3 months ago
mr brash couldnt have said it better myself, bang on the money
ryanthomasmccallum 7 months ago 2
@ryanthomasmccallum He is interested in banging on about money, isn't he. And you're right - if he was looking to expose himself as a ill informed bigot, then he certainly couldn't have said it any better.
hotlinkcinema 7 months ago 5
@hotlinkcinema hes not a bigot, look up the meaning, but if you go over the act policies they are extremly liberal, and not race motivated at all, its about equal rights for everyone, im not voting for them but i think they have some good concepts
ryanthomasmccallum 7 months ago
@ryanthomasmccallum Explain to me how the law guarantees equal rights for everyone when the cost of a good lawyer prohibits everyone from getting the same treatment legally? He wants to preserve the status quo - which means excluding those in positions of poverty from getting the same representation. Act liberal? Hahahaha. He is race motivated - he is appealing to racially ignorant 'middle' New Zealand. But y'know, given your last comment I am sure we will just have to agree to disagree.
hotlinkcinema 6 months ago 4
@hotlinkcinema wel im a student right, and to me it seem fuckn unfair that, if i want to do med to get in2 second year i prety much have to get a 90+ percent average, but if i had 1 drop of maori blood in me that can drop to about 75 percent how is that fair and liberal
ryanthomasmccallum 6 months ago
@ryanthomasmccallum Didn't even see someone had already mentioned this, nice.
mason1hg 4 months ago
Lets look at unviersity entrance for example, instead of making it easier for them to get into university they should have to follow the same standard as everyone else. How will giving them the message that everything is easier for them promote hard work? The current laws are racist. Why should a Maori get easier entrance into university then their neighbours who are pakeha but happen to live in very similar circumstances?
mason1hg 4 months ago
@mason1hg it true though plain and unfair am i right or what ae
ryanthomasmccallum 4 months ago
@mason1hg Those are issues that are worth exploring (as someone like Hone Harawira is doing for instance, who wants to improve university entrance for marginalised communities in general - not something Brash is interested in). However, this misses the point. Brash advocates a 'one law for all' society (not just in terms of Maori and Pakeha, but also in terms of rich and poor, etc.). However, the problem with this is that it doesn't take into account historical factors or economic inequality.
hotlinkcinema 4 months ago
@hotlinkcinema I don't see why economic inquality should be taken into account at all. There are pakeha/ Indians / Asians in the same financial situation as Polynesians/Maori and yet they don't have access to this easier entrance? Historical factors? How backwards are we? If you could elaborate on these factors, that would be good.
mason1hg 4 months ago
@mason1hg Furthermore, to call the current laws racist, for me, is a gross oversimplification. The current laws were put in place to attempt to deal with historical inequality which has produced Maori largely as a working class population (look into the 'Native Schools' for instance which purposefully restricted Maori learning and economic development for decades). The current laws may well not be working, as Hone Harawira has stated, but it doesn't make them 'racist'.
hotlinkcinema 4 months ago
@mason1hg Possibly they shouldn't, but the answer is not Brash's "one law for all." This would ensure an inherent classism and elitism in university (have a look at stats of who went to university before any of these reforms took place in the 60s). The answer is not supporting someone like Brash, but someone like Hariwera who wants increased opportunity for the poor and marginalized IN GENERAL (rather than simply returning to an unequal system which privileges the rich - such as Brash wants).
hotlinkcinema 3 months ago
You could have forged this fake advert much better than you did... it's a little obvious.
acidlabz 7 months ago
@acidlabz Wasn't really interested in forging the ad in that sense. More interested in the basic idea being put across. I wanted it to be obvious.
hotlinkcinema 7 months ago
@hotlinkcinema You might want to consider authorisation statements - without them you're in breach of the law.
JamesMeager 4 months ago
Well to be fair they shouldnt have a special place. This is one country with many different peoples, you cant always be putting the needs/wants of one race over another. Thats what we like to call racism.
HalyahS 10 months ago
@HalyahS Well, to be fair, pakeha in power put their needs above Maori (and working class pakeha - which Harawira acknowledges) for more than 100 years. Pakeha (in general) already have a 'special' place in Aotearoa (if we read 'special' as meaning access to political, economic and cultural power) so of course Maori should have a special place in this country, as well. And what do 'we' call someone like Brash who puts the needs of the rich above the poor? Riddle me that Batman.
hotlinkcinema 9 months ago
A douche, but at least you know where he stands
TheRealManzilla 10 months ago
@TheRealManzilla As Spinal Tap said, "You know where you stand in a hell-hole." :)
hotlinkcinema 10 months ago
haha straight to the point. "no"
sporky69 10 months ago
@sporky69 Yep - you can't help but know where you stand in a hell-hole. :-)
hotlinkcinema 9 months ago