We don't know what caused the Big Bang yet, but that doesn't mean God did it. We also don't know how subatomic particles come into existance from nothing, and vanish a fraction of a second later without leaving a trace. You could say God did it, but you could also say a giant purple octopus did it. There is no reason to believe that God is responsible more than a purple octopus, along with an infinite number of other explanations.
What COULD bring time, space and matter into existence? No one knows that (yet), but just because we don't, doesn't mean we fill in the gap with a christian god.
?? these atheists cant answer why they believe in the bigbang?? lmao and he said he was smarter then the preacher yet could even dialogue intellectually?? lol silly very silly... atheists if you pin your hopes to your belief system make sure you know top to bottom
@6gunwalker We don't believe in the big bang. It's a THEORY. Are you those kinds of Christians who believe we're science worshippers or something? Devil worshippers maybe? Oh and I see you believe the ontological argument proves the existence of God right? What if I tell you that the argument is flawed and unfortunately fails?
Here's some reasons: /watch?v=YLQ0DnUTyX8
Try harder. If you think you can tell me why it works and can't deny it then please tell me.
This video shows nothing more than typical Christianity. "Don't know the answer to something? God. What comes before the big bang? Huh? That's right, you don't know. Therefore, God."
Okay let's say he exists, now tell me, who created God? What? It doesn't work anymore at this point? Why? How? Oops... Yup, now the only way to defend yourself is to either make hell threats or hide behind your Bible.
Ohhh that leap of faith into skepticism is painful. I'm such an asshole for questioning myself.
@1800kfred So you're avoiding the question. How do you know? Why do you decide to believe that he always existed? The fact that we may NEVER be able to prove that there is a god doesn't PROVE that there is a god.
Saying that God has always existed and no one created him therefore no one can prove he exists and THEN say that this is PROOF of the existence of God is IRRATIONAL. Think!
Wanna know the very simple answer to the preacher's question: "There are natural forces at work that we currently do not understand. Nature, by definition, has always existed, regardless of whatever state it is in. Nature is not God."
This is a strawman of atheism. The laws of physics tell us that matter is eternal so the logical conclusion would be that there was a state of eternity before the Big Bang. It is creationists who believe that things came from nothing i.e. God made them appear by magic.
@slothape Think about what you're say..okay now, did the laws of physics matter before the BB? lol "logical conclusion"? are you serious? so you're saying that it's logical to interpret something before STEM began?
"It is creationists who believe that things came from nothing i.e. God made them appear by magic" That sentence contradicts its "point".
"I fight for your freedom". What a stupid cunt. There are tons of countries that have more "freedoms" than America. You fight for oil and eminent domain. He thinks he's so smart, yet he was dumb enough to join a military whose ranks consist of the bottom of the barrel of our society. The hypocrisy isn't lost on me that your bible says not to kill, yet you're proud of the fact that you're in a organization that squeezes triggers on fake enemies. Go kill some more women and children, coward.
@NailHimBackUp Why not move away then? Exodus 22:2 says, “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.”
@austincwhitaker Move away from what? I'm from another country that has more freedoms than America (gay marriage is legal in the whole country, we don't have indefinite detention centers, we have a true freedom of speech and of the press). And currently I'm living in one of the few decent parts of America. You're a war-mongering country who's full of right-wing crazy assholes. You're beating with a book everyone that book tells you to love.
@NailHimBackUp Why did you move to America if it is such a terrible place? Your statement of crazy right-wings is a jaded opinion, and I cannot make sense of your last statement.
@austincwhitaker I moved to America because my job needed me to close accounts with American investors. We completely cut your country off from our business. Calling America right-wing is not an opinion. If you look at how the overall population views certain political topics, it's apparent to any educated person what this country's leaning is. My last statement refers to the Bible and how it tells you to behave one way, yet Christians use it for their own agenda.
@NailHimBackUp I did not say America as a whole is not right-wing. I meant that your statement of America as "right-wing crazy assholes" is a jaded opinion. I am sorry that you also have a poor view of what a true christian looks like. The Bible states that you will know them by their fruit (Matthew 7:16). You are correct in saying that some Christians use the Bible to fit their lifestyles, or as a get-out-of-hell-free card. This is heresy, and these people are not true followers of Christ.
@Kinosis79 You're fucking crazy. Obama is like a 1970s moderate Republican. There is nothing liberal about him at all. He's increased defense spending, signed a bill to hold detainees indefinitely without any charges, opposes gay marriage, etc... He's just like the rest of the hillbillies in America. The problem is that America has a piss-poor education system, so idiots like yourself are too stupid to see him for what he really is. You just spout Fox News soundbites.
@Kinosis79 Obama is called a liberal just because America's definition of "liberal" and "conservative" has shifted to the right. The Republican base is now fundamentally extreme conservatives, and the Democrats are essentially moderate Republicans. The fact that you think Obama is a "super liberal" shows how stupid and right-wing America is. If you went to a a truly liberal country, your head would explode.
Atheism takes no faith at all. In fact it is a rejection of faith. If we don't know something, then it is as simple as reading about it. The big bang wasn't something from nothing, in fact it was an expansion of what was already there. I know this because the scientific literature is freely available for me to read.
its more logical that an immaterial mind created the universe from nothing with nothing then formed it with no external power because its immaterial. oh then manages to exist within the universe despite being spaceless and timeless. but hey i don't know sounds alot less professional then magic right? lmao
I really cannot understand how non-believers see the evidence of a creator and still disbelieve. Do you realize its a 1 in one millionth chance the the DNA of the nucleus of an amoeba come together by complete chance? It's not a debate of religion vs science rather good science vs bad science. Matter, space, and time cannot just pop into existence. God did not begin, therefore He has does not have a cause He is the cause. 121 numbers that are completly fined tuned for life on our planet.
Mechanisms that function always have a maker and the ordered mechanisms in life forms prove that we have a very great Maker.
God is very great! - The Maker of the function that hydrogen has inside of us is the Maker of the entire universe consisting entirely of hydrogen and derivatives.
Atheism and evolution are lost causes, they lose many times over and over.
Mutations never order anything, insertions will only work if they are already compatible and if they are compatible, they will not significantly change anything and "natural selection" can only select what has already been ordered by preexisting information in the genome that is the cause of all of the uniform variations that we see.
Objects never order themselves without first being ordered.
@JungleJargon how do you explain the vast amount of imperfections, not just on earth but in the universe,
for instance why would a maker create space as such an uninhabitable place, and why are we on a collision course with another galaxy, its like a constructor creating traffic lights where all directions go green at the same time.
@DemoraX We are going to die whether we believe the truth or not. It is just that those who believe the truth die with a good conscience knowing that only our Maker can remake us again.
The Bible is all true, we should expect the Maker of the universe to do amazing things for us.
If you had so much as a spec of truth supporting evolution, you would have presented it.
The fact that people believe that objects made them what they are is proof of demons that deceive.
@DemoraX You have no concept of what holiness and perfectionis or what grace is. God is not able to tell us to try the best we can. He has to tell us to be perfect and there is no good reason for us not to want to be perfect.
The provision for our sin that God provided for us Himself is what makes it possible for us to be gracious to each other because the price for our sins have been paid.
@DemoraX "Murder" is a legal term that means you violated a law against killing people when the law was to kill people who kill people and other crimes. The perfect law did not allow for any imperfection because God can say nothing less than perfect.
What you fail to understand is that we all deserve to die, not just homosexuals. If everyone deserves to die, we will just all kill each other and there will be no one left.
That is where grace comes in. God took the punishment we deserve Himself.
@JungleJargon i give up trying to talk sense into you, you've been so put down and poisoned by religion that you believe you deserve to die, theres no talking sanity into one as brainwashed as you :(
@bammc19 i dont know where you're getting your info about the eternal universe, but on a quick google of it being disproven all that turns up are religious websites "godandscience" "apologetic press", those people will make up anything to defend their invisible, untouchable, unhearable friend that they "just know" exists.
also if a god definately existed why do all of the smartest minds on the planet think otherwise?
@DemoraX You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain to me... come on... how did the universe come into existence? And why, If there is no God do you have right and wrong? If there is no God- then there is no Moral Law and you should kill every single person you see, because then we are animals and it results in survival of the fittest. EVERY single person knows that murder is wrong, and love is right. Moral Law= Moral law giver.
@DemoraX Another thing, please don't tell me about Moral Relativism because everyone knows that is just an excuse to not face up to the truth about moral law. You hardened your heart to the Creator because you can't physically see Him or touch Him yet, His creation is EVERYWHERE around you. You, just like all non-believers have terrible arguments.
@bammc19 you freaking idiot, you're not debating you're just spewing ridiculous claims, "his creation is everywhere!" "god made the universe!" NOONE KNOWS HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME TO EXIST. i dont see why you have a problem with rational thinkers being able to admit that, sure you can say "God did it" like you do with everything else you dont understand, lets say for a moment that you were right, why is the universe so flawed? our galaxy is on a collision course with another, thats just one example
@DemoraX an example of someone who is brainwashed by Satan and his lies right here. you know what happens to ppl like you when they die. they burn, they get tortured, unconditionally and they cant die. they are there for eternity. if you don't get your head out of the lies of wickedness you will not inherit the kingdom of god. unbelievers in this world believe in him a little bit, even fools like you who say they don't.
@jamalboss34 you want wickedness? how about an army being sent in to a town with orders to kill EVERYTHING, women, children, old people, even the freaking cattle (thats commanded in your bible)
how about murdering 2 men for the simple act of love?
how about stoning a child to death for misbehaving?
how about a raped woman being forced to marry her attacker?
@DemoraX i feel really bad for you man. the holy bible does not say any of that. in the old testament it says you have to sacrifice a lamb for forgiveness, before Christ. your either a tool of Satan hes using you, or misinterpreting what it really says, and of course a unbeliever will. i warn you, if you act wicked like: love money, yourself, pleasure, drinking drugs, pretty much everything every teen and adults do in society, that's what there taught, its all lies man, its all wicked.
@DemoraX Being gay is a sin and He has a right to distroy any sinners. Human sacrifice? You wanted to name Genesis 22:1-18, which was just a test of faith, He didn't actually let Abraham kill his son. Slavery? Do you know who were slaves back in those times? Murders and robbers, God also taught people to treat their slaves well, so if you "beat" them, it would have been for a good reason like them trying to kill you, harm your family or steal from you. Slaves also got to be set free in 7 years.
@DemoraX "Rape"? It was actually protecting women, because if she was rapped she would be seen as either a prostitute then stonned to death or dirty for not being a virigin, so that man would be punished by paying her father, then having to marry her. So she would be killed or die alone. Genocide? God is not only love but He is just and intolerant of sin. Amalekites were wrong so God punished them. If you're a sinner, you were to be put to death, that's just the way it was.
@babipassion25 i love how you so passionately defended the act of forcing a woman to marry her rapist, and you agree that sex out of marriage/ homosexuality / athiesm (things you call sins) are worthy of MASS GENOCIDE.
christians are the worst kind of people so much hate for EVERYONE who is'nt them, yet you hide behind the guise of love.
@DemoraX For that time that was the best thing she could do. As I said, they would either stone her for looking like a prostitute or no one would want her because she isn't a virgin. They're not worthy of killing now because as I said before now you have a chance to live and choose what you want. I was an atheist just 6 months ago and now i'm a Christian so I assure you, Christians are no the worst people. I don't hate anyone and don't want anyone to die or be killed. Just explaining the OT.
@babipassion25 "For that time that was the best thing she could do"
so you're saying a guy who knows EVERYTHING and can make a universe just by thinking it could'nt manage to make a simple commandment "thou shalt not rape." "thou shalt not sell your daughters"?
as an athiest the bible is painstakingly written by man, for man as a backwards form of law, people would behave if they had fear of celestial torture.
@DemoraX Rape is wrong and everyone knows it, no where in the Bible does it say "It's okay to rape" Which is why if the women was engaged to be married to someone and a man rapes her, HE is to be put to death" Why? Because he's wrong, not her. AGAIN, if she was caught being raped by a man and isn't pledged to be married, they would have seen her as a prostitute and put to death as well. She didn't HAVE to get married, but it was for her protection.
@DemoraX Once again, she was forced to. And even if she wasn't harmed she was still seen as dirty because she isn't a virgin anymore. Virginity is supposed to be for husbands. Hundreds of things you have a problem with, but your opinion doesn't matter, mine doesn't either.
@babipassion25 "Hundreds of things you have a problem with, but your opinion doesn't matter"
yes but it'd be a problem if people actually took the bible seriously, can you imagine someone wearing some clothing thats had a plagued rat die on it, just because the bible says "wash it with water, wait until evening and it will be clean"(leviticus 11;32), its that kind of thing that could cause an epidemic, and its again, something an all knowing being would'nt say
@jamalboss34 this may offend you, but im putting in my time to tell you the truth, the bible is the truth. god loves you so much and he wants a relationship with you. but its your choice to take it or leave it. and if you don't take it then i pray for you, because so many unbelievers are being deceived and already have been deceived, if the deceived had a chance to get a second chance they would take it instantly. trust me. the road to damnation is more wide than it is long.
@JungleJargon The only thing outside of existance is non-existance. Yes it is crazy to think that something came from nothing, but to think that something came from nothing due to an intelligent being is even more preposterous. It is better to admit that you dont know instead of pretending that you do know or making up an answer and claiming its the only possibility.
the real god of the heaven's is Zeus ! do your research you idiot earth was formed out of revolution as well as humans from apes christians stole a pagan religion and twisted it around to make it their own and made of their jesus read you might learn something lol
I love it when people debate like this: when people don't have google to help them out over youtube where they can find the best response an article has to offer. :D
@Elohir2 You wanted to know how the Maker of function of hydrogen relates to the God of the Bible.
The God of the Bible is the Maker of all things and the Maker of the function of hydrogen is the Maker of all things because all matter is derived from hydrogen also proving that there *is* only One God who is the Maker of all things.
It's not circular, it's a confirmation of what the Bible says that there is only One Maker of all things and there is no other god or maker.
@Elohir2 The function of hydrogen has a Maker who is the Maker of everything derived from hydrogen and that Maker is the only God who can remake us again because there is no other maker who can.
That is a mirror image of the teaching of Scripture so it is parallel reasoning and confirmation, not circular.
The same exact thing I see in nature is the same exact thing I see in the Bible.
The God of the KURAM is the Maker of all thing, and the Maker of the function of hydrogen is the Maker of all things because all matter is derived from hydrogen also proving that there *is* only One God who is the Maker of all things.
See? using the same idiotic argument i can prove the god in the kuram is the one.
@Elohir2 You need to slow down some to follow the reasoning which I did post the last time.
The God of the Bible says He is the One Maker of all things. There is no other God other than the Maker of the function that hydrogen and most of the most common elements have working inside of us according to a preexisting word written in and with the function that the elements were made to have.
I know it is not your fault that you were never taught very much relevant science.
Argument from ignorance fail. Even if there was something before the Big Bang, there is no evidence of any kind that it was the kind of supernatural critter described in the books of the Christian Bible (or the Torah).
(sarcasm on) Thank God ( sarcasm off ) that people like Dillahunty and probably many other atheists I haven't heard pointed the stupidity of arguments this preacher uses. He dosen't know something therefore ->God.
Typical argumentum ad auditorem, ignoratiam, hominem, verecundiam.
The argument this guy makes is logical all the way up to the Christian God. Had he left out the love/hate paradigm about damnation or salvation, and the fact that his God is the correct one, it makes a lot more sense. We may all just be energy that goes back into the universe to one day be transported into another living entity. No one knows, and no one ever will. Science will never find all the answers either.
I can think of a universe that is created by god. God 'thinks' let ther be light and pop there comes the universe from nothing.
But also I can think—and it is as irrational the former thought—of a popping universe without god. But it's more likely. And it proves nothing. It just proves that we cannot say anything that caused the big bang, because there was no time existing in which a cause could happen, because for this time is mandatory.
Nice! I don't do open air preaching but I use the kalam cosmological argument as well when it comes to evangelism whenever a skeptic asks about the existence of God. Keep up the great work God bless! P.S. it seems as if you had read the book by Norman Geisler "I do not have enough faith to be an atheist" which is an excellent read when it comes to apologetics! ^-^
"I'm asking you a very specific question.." Yeah, he heard you the first time. The answer is, nobody knows yet. And you inventing a fucking invisible man and saying "HE DID IT!!" Doesn't answer anything.
How did space, time, mass, and matter come to exsist? I do not know and neither do you. And that Chad, is not blind faith. But your notion that every unknown has to equate to "proof" there is a God is. Just because you recite rehearsed jargon using, what seems to the lay person, to be intellectual words does not make you intellectual (think the bar scene in Good Will Hunting). Blind faith is an ironic gift to give to the creator of intelligence.
"God is the irrational answer to a rational question." Okay if you don't know the answer, how do you know that the answer of God is irrational?? I'll repeat it, if you don't know the answer as to what caused the universe into existence, how do you know that God is an irrational answer??
@Christistruth1 Because in this reality...the reality that is our day-to-day exsitence, in which we make every decision in out life based on ration (which seperates us from infants and animals) assigning an answer based off "faith" to one of the most important questions of our species, is irrational. That's how.
@mjfraser04 But you're assuming that our reality is all there is. That whole argument you just gave assumes that our reality is the only reality, in fact you're going by what you perceive only in what you think exists and that is our reality is all there is.
@Christistruth1 No i'm not, nothing in my statement suggests I think our reality is the only reality. This is why I am not an athiest. I am agnostic. This is why I can say I don't know and neither do you. However, this IS our reality. And until either our science or some sort of diety shows proof or valid evidence to what occured before either the Big Bang, before the first before and then before that, then all I have is THIS reality to base a rational decision on.
@mjfraser04 Watch this..Me." You're saying that our reality is all there is." You: "No, I'm not," THEN YOU SAY..."I think our reality is the only reality." i.e. the only reality that exists hence our reality is all there is. Why can't I know? How do you know I don't know? Can you prove I don't know? Answer those 3 questions please.
And you would be believing your position is true based on faith. Because you don't know, right?
@Christistruth1 Before you try to get tough on the internet and start responding in a condescending manor please go back and re-read my resposnse, I'll wait. What it says is, "No i'm not, nothing in my statement suggests I think our reality is the only reality." If you still cant decypher that complicated sentence I can't help you.
1. If you can tell me how it is you know if there is or isn't a God, I will make you a billionare 2-times over! You'd share a category with Newton, Einstein,etc,
@mjfraser04 I'm just trying to figure out your argument. You said two contradicting things. Okay, you've said that our reality isn't the only reality. Okay I just needed that cleared up. It's been a long day. But very good. So our reality isn't the only reality, great. I'm glad we cleared that up. Oh and don't insult me, if you want a conversation stop being arrogant. Doesn't work. I highly doubt you can or even have the potential to make me a billionaire. This is not Jr High here, chap.
@Christistruth1 2. I know you don't know because you are a human with no special powers or any more of a gifted mind (and judging by your responses your mind quite the contrary to gifted) than any other human today or though the annals of time.
3. This is my favorite because it shows just how new and uneducated you are at this debate. Watch this....I don't have to prove there is no God! Just like I don't have to prove there is no Unicorns. You dont have to prove a negative! Logic!
@mjfraser04 Who says special powers are required to know anything? Okay more personal attacks? Is that the best you have? Your immaturity to fall back on? Let's move forward please. Ah, now taking a stab at my education are we? I never said I didn't need to prove there was a God. Now, you're trying to dishonestly turn the argument on me. You didn't answer my questions at all, at best responded childishly believing that special powers are needed to know God's existence.
@Christistruth1 Also, I was never asked to be born. I had absoloutely zero input on my exsistence. Why do I have to thank...no, worship a diety of anykind that selfishly put me into exsitence, only to be destined to live forever, again without my input, whether it be in heaven or hell? Why? If someone gives you something you never asked for or even wanted, and in some cases has made your life miserable (child deformities, born into poverty, abused, etc)...why do you owe that person your life?
@mjfraser04 "I was never asked to be born." That's an illogical statement, how can you be asked to be born if you didn't exist? That's a dumb statement chap. Well if you don't like your existence take yourself out of existence then. There are people who have it worse. But go ahead. You do have input, you have denied Christ's salvation, and that was your input. Oh so now you're complaining about your miserable life? Look go whine in a puddle of pity by yourself. Self pity is weak.
@mjfraser04 cont..I have a nephew who's deformed, he's loved and that doesn't make him a lesser human being. People who are born into poverty can get themselves out of it, also can do so with help from people who are willing to humble themselves to do so. Abusive people can over come with strength, YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES. Don't give me self pity excuses, they don't work with me or on God. If you hate God for those things then do yourself a favor and go meet him now then ask him why.
@Christistruth1 trying to reason with people like you is exhausting and infantile so I am ending this discussion here. I do not have the patience for people that are so far out of touch with reality, ration, and logic as most uneducated thiests are. I was an uneducated devout Christian myself until I started asking questions and doing research. Give it a shot. All I ask of anybody is to just educate yourself and do your own research. That's all I ask. Good day
@mjfraser04 Okay now, you're just brushing the argument off by ridicule. You're not answering my questions. Look if you're ending this conversation because you feel the need to ridicule and make personal attacks then your argument is week, at best. How am I out of touch with reality? You weren't "devout", if you were "devout" you would still be a Christian. I've done 17years of Biblical study along with philosophy and psychology, and studied in the Hebrew and Greek texts.
@torrid426 When did I say "God exists"? You couldn't challenge my faith if you were the Stephen Hawking. Fore Warning, you won't like me when were done, in fact you're going to hate me.
1. If you quote scripture, I will prove you'r wrong about it.
2. I will prove that you aren't correct. 17yrs of Biblical study here, in the Hebrew and Greek texts, took psychology and philosophy.
3. I doubt that's true, it's a claim you can't prove. I would have to believe you're that honest. I don't.
@torrid426 "misreading" You mean to say.."You've misread." "The slow of whit." Son don't make threats you can't back up.
"What did you mean by this?" Why did I direct it towards you? No. So why do you care? See what you're trying to do is use that as an argument. YOU SAID I said God exists. Quote me. Now, do I believe God exists? Yes, I do. But this is not an argument for your position, because you're going to use absence of evidence as your argument.
@torrid426 I never said it didn't count, I'm asking why do you care? I believe in God for more than one reason, in fact, personal, historical, archeological, scientific reasons. Now, you may not agree with me, but that proves nothing. I will not be rude as long as you're not rude. The moment you are, is the moment you lose. Many religions are false.
@torrid426 You quoted me that I had said God exists. Now I do believe he does exists, but when did I say that? Again, to answer your question go back to my previous response. Yes, and if you're rude, you don't deserve my attention, do you? No. I don't care, I've studied many religions. "Why an educated person believes in God?' I'm wondering why an educated person doesn't? You tell me.
@torrid426 Yes they are my words, stalker. AHHH, prove they are flawed, and I will prove you're wrong about them, don't quote Zeitgeist either kiddo. I need to do a video about you stalking me.
@torrid426 You are a stalker, you're going to my channel and watching everything I have been saying. Now, again I do believe God does exist, but during this conversation, when did I say that? "Grow up you little bitch." LOL, what are you in Jr High? lololol. I wasn't defeated, you haven't defeated me, lol. I did answer you, I said I believe God does exist. I believe God exists because we have historical evidence, archeological evidence, forensic, and eye witness accounts.
@torrid426 I'm laughing, nothing wrong with that is there stalker? "Stop being a whine bitch." What are you in Jr High? "Because you are too f*cking stupid to get it another example." Yup, you're in Jr High. How do they fit atheism? No I haven't you want more? The Ontological Argument, First Cause, Design, Moral argument. Those are part of why I believe in God, I would have thought that someone as "smart" and as "bright" and "free thinking" as you would have understood that already.
Right Jr high. Appeal to a social construct where you are the older wiser and I'm obviously wrong because of inexperience. Why are you using straw man arguments ? Oh thats right because you have nothing but flawed scripture to point to and you dont want to talk about that flotsam.
I was asking why you believed not what evidence you felt you have. You were born into it and and coincidence is a bad reason.
Right Jr high. Appeal to a social construct where you are the older wiser and I'm obviously wrong because of inexperience. Why are you using straw man arguments ? Oh thats right because you have nothing but flawed scripture to point to and you dont want to talk about that flotsam.
I was asking why you believed not what evidence you felt you have. You were born into it and and coincidence is a bad reason.
What Great Man, continue doing God's work brother... Love you & God Bless you 4ever !
Parchybangin 1 week ago
You make navy seals look bad. Do us all a favor and retire.
bigal4336 2 weeks ago
We don't know what caused the Big Bang yet, but that doesn't mean God did it. We also don't know how subatomic particles come into existance from nothing, and vanish a fraction of a second later without leaving a trace. You could say God did it, but you could also say a giant purple octopus did it. There is no reason to believe that God is responsible more than a purple octopus, along with an infinite number of other explanations.
BillyBobJr3rd 3 weeks ago
How does he know that his god created "the heavens and the earth"?
jerico641 1 month ago
What a little pig this "street preacher" is; and how insulting. I wonder if he believes that his "Jesus" would've preached that way...
jerico641 1 month ago
@jerico641 FUCK U !!!
Parchybangin 1 week ago
@Parchybangin
Well, THAT'S very articulate.
jerico641 1 week ago
@jerico641 yea fuck off
Parchybangin 1 week ago
@Parchybangin
That's better; care to try for some sentences?
jerico641 1 week ago
What COULD bring time, space and matter into existence? No one knows that (yet), but just because we don't, doesn't mean we fill in the gap with a christian god.
jerico641 1 month ago
?? these atheists cant answer why they believe in the bigbang?? lmao and he said he was smarter then the preacher yet could even dialogue intellectually?? lol silly very silly... atheists if you pin your hopes to your belief system make sure you know top to bottom
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker We don't believe in the big bang. It's a THEORY. Are you those kinds of Christians who believe we're science worshippers or something? Devil worshippers maybe? Oh and I see you believe the ontological argument proves the existence of God right? What if I tell you that the argument is flawed and unfortunately fails?
Here's some reasons: /watch?v=YLQ0DnUTyX8
Try harder. If you think you can tell me why it works and can't deny it then please tell me.
sheikhylian 2 weeks ago
This video shows nothing more than typical Christianity. "Don't know the answer to something? God. What comes before the big bang? Huh? That's right, you don't know. Therefore, God."
Okay let's say he exists, now tell me, who created God? What? It doesn't work anymore at this point? Why? How? Oops... Yup, now the only way to defend yourself is to either make hell threats or hide behind your Bible.
Ohhh that leap of faith into skepticism is painful. I'm such an asshole for questioning myself.
sheikhylian 1 month ago
@sheikhylian God has always existed, so no one created him.
1800kfred 2 weeks ago
@1800kfred So you're avoiding the question. How do you know? Why do you decide to believe that he always existed? The fact that we may NEVER be able to prove that there is a god doesn't PROVE that there is a god.
Saying that God has always existed and no one created him therefore no one can prove he exists and THEN say that this is PROOF of the existence of God is IRRATIONAL. Think!
sheikhylian 2 weeks ago
What is time, matter or life?
spmexy 1 month ago
I wouldn't mind arguing with this guy Chad right? I think I stand a chance lol.
jonnyRYhollywood 1 month ago
Wanna know the very simple answer to the preacher's question: "There are natural forces at work that we currently do not understand. Nature, by definition, has always existed, regardless of whatever state it is in. Nature is not God."
Toyomo16 1 month ago
'Pop out of existence out of nothing'
This is a strawman of atheism. The laws of physics tell us that matter is eternal so the logical conclusion would be that there was a state of eternity before the Big Bang. It is creationists who believe that things came from nothing i.e. God made them appear by magic.
slothape 1 month ago
@slothape Think about what you're say..okay now, did the laws of physics matter before the BB? lol "logical conclusion"? are you serious? so you're saying that it's logical to interpret something before STEM began?
"It is creationists who believe that things came from nothing i.e. God made them appear by magic" That sentence contradicts its "point".
HAAKONNSKER 1 month ago
"I fight for your freedom". What a stupid cunt. There are tons of countries that have more "freedoms" than America. You fight for oil and eminent domain. He thinks he's so smart, yet he was dumb enough to join a military whose ranks consist of the bottom of the barrel of our society. The hypocrisy isn't lost on me that your bible says not to kill, yet you're proud of the fact that you're in a organization that squeezes triggers on fake enemies. Go kill some more women and children, coward.
NailHimBackUp 1 month ago
@NailHimBackUp Why not move away then? Exodus 22:2 says, “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.”
austincwhitaker 1 month ago
@austincwhitaker Move away from what? I'm from another country that has more freedoms than America (gay marriage is legal in the whole country, we don't have indefinite detention centers, we have a true freedom of speech and of the press). And currently I'm living in one of the few decent parts of America. You're a war-mongering country who's full of right-wing crazy assholes. You're beating with a book everyone that book tells you to love.
NailHimBackUp 1 month ago
@NailHimBackUp Why did you move to America if it is such a terrible place? Your statement of crazy right-wings is a jaded opinion, and I cannot make sense of your last statement.
austincwhitaker 1 month ago
@austincwhitaker I moved to America because my job needed me to close accounts with American investors. We completely cut your country off from our business. Calling America right-wing is not an opinion. If you look at how the overall population views certain political topics, it's apparent to any educated person what this country's leaning is. My last statement refers to the Bible and how it tells you to behave one way, yet Christians use it for their own agenda.
NailHimBackUp 1 month ago
@NailHimBackUp I did not say America as a whole is not right-wing. I meant that your statement of America as "right-wing crazy assholes" is a jaded opinion. I am sorry that you also have a poor view of what a true christian looks like. The Bible states that you will know them by their fruit (Matthew 7:16). You are correct in saying that some Christians use the Bible to fit their lifestyles, or as a get-out-of-hell-free card. This is heresy, and these people are not true followers of Christ.
austincwhitaker 1 month ago
@NailHimBackUp Yeah the U.S. is so right wing they elected a super liberal like Obama....
Kinosis79 1 month ago
@Kinosis79 You're fucking crazy. Obama is like a 1970s moderate Republican. There is nothing liberal about him at all. He's increased defense spending, signed a bill to hold detainees indefinitely without any charges, opposes gay marriage, etc... He's just like the rest of the hillbillies in America. The problem is that America has a piss-poor education system, so idiots like yourself are too stupid to see him for what he really is. You just spout Fox News soundbites.
NailHimBackUp 1 month ago
@Kinosis79 Obama is called a liberal just because America's definition of "liberal" and "conservative" has shifted to the right. The Republican base is now fundamentally extreme conservatives, and the Democrats are essentially moderate Republicans. The fact that you think Obama is a "super liberal" shows how stupid and right-wing America is. If you went to a a truly liberal country, your head would explode.
NailHimBackUp 1 month ago
The guy standing on the box
is annoying as hell.
TheDrphil07 1 month ago
Atheism takes no faith at all. In fact it is a rejection of faith. If we don't know something, then it is as simple as reading about it. The big bang wasn't something from nothing, in fact it was an expansion of what was already there. I know this because the scientific literature is freely available for me to read.
bagpipeplayer 1 month ago
Our time and space not time and space itself, check your facts before speaking.
baldurus1 2 months ago
the guy seems hysterical, screaming like that... just saying...
colecionar 2 months ago
yeah i dont know is an unreasonable answer!
its more logical that an immaterial mind created the universe from nothing with nothing then formed it with no external power because its immaterial. oh then manages to exist within the universe despite being spaceless and timeless. but hey i don't know sounds alot less professional then magic right? lmao
overlordcacius 2 months ago
I really cannot understand how non-believers see the evidence of a creator and still disbelieve. Do you realize its a 1 in one millionth chance the the DNA of the nucleus of an amoeba come together by complete chance? It's not a debate of religion vs science rather good science vs bad science. Matter, space, and time cannot just pop into existence. God did not begin, therefore He has does not have a cause He is the cause. 121 numbers that are completly fined tuned for life on our planet.
bammc19 2 months ago
When discrediting science as being faith based, don't try and discredit it with Bible quotes.
therealjammit 2 months ago
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It is painful to see such stupidity. This is simply an example of the god of the gaps fallacy.
Creationist: What caused the inflation of spacetime?
Atheist: We don't yet know.
Creationsit: AH HA! See that means by default it was my god!!!
Atheist: Errr no, why don't you go look up the god of the gaps fallacy and stop being so bloody stupid?
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emelianenkoo 2 months ago
Mechanisms that function always have a maker and the ordered mechanisms in life forms prove that we have a very great Maker.
God is very great! - The Maker of the function that hydrogen has inside of us is the Maker of the entire universe consisting entirely of hydrogen and derivatives.
Atheism and evolution are lost causes, they lose many times over and over.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
That guy just got owned. The universe is not eternal. God is real.
bammc19 2 months ago 2
Sin = Death
Salvation = Live
merkal90000 2 months ago
God is just, therefore when people die without Christ they will face God's judgement and will be found guilt and thrown into the lake of fire.
God spoke the universe and it is written on ALL men's heart and they know the truth but make a CHOICE to reject it.
merkal90000 2 months ago
''What can bring time, space and matter in existence?'' So he means that god created it. What did create god then??
liqvidering 3 months ago
@liqvidering That is seriously the only thing I ever hear from people who don't believe. God is eternal. God has ALWAYS been. 1. Something exists.
2. You do not get something from nothing.
3. Therefore a necessary and eternal “something” exists.
4. The only two options are an eternal universe and an eternal Creator.
5. Science and philosophy have disproven the concept of an eternal universe.
6. Therefore, an eternal Creator exists.
bammc19 2 months ago
Science is not blind faith, its testing,
one guy does'nt just say "hey the earth moves around the sun!" and expect everyone to believe him, no.
he shows his evidence and why he thinks it, and many other scientists critique his findings to determine if he's correct,
religion on the other hand, "heres a book, its true, believe me, donate"
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX It is not about religion. Religion is a strawman argument. It is about observable truth.
The ordered function that hydrogen has in life forms requires a Maker.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon you assume living things were around before hydrogen,
would it not be more realistic to assume life evolved to cope with the levels of hydrogen, oxygen etc on our planet?
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX There is no mechanism for evolution.
Mutations never order anything, insertions will only work if they are already compatible and if they are compatible, they will not significantly change anything and "natural selection" can only select what has already been ordered by preexisting information in the genome that is the cause of all of the uniform variations that we see.
Objects never order themselves without first being ordered.
Function always requires a maker.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon how do you explain the vast amount of imperfections, not just on earth but in the universe,
for instance why would a maker create space as such an uninhabitable place, and why are we on a collision course with another galaxy, its like a constructor creating traffic lights where all directions go green at the same time.
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX How long do you think our Maker can take all of the injustice from those who refuse to acknowledge Him?
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon ah the good ole' "BELIEVE OR DIE!" it never gets old.
it'd be a little scarier if you had anything that makes your Bible any more realistic than Harry Potter...
theres a mountain of evidence for evolution, its even been observed and yet you folks still choose to cover your ears and scream "NOT LISTENING!"
so you can have your comfy beliefs rather than believing what is true.
unicorns, witches, demons they're all in your book, and all none existent, just like your god.
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX We are going to die whether we believe the truth or not. It is just that those who believe the truth die with a good conscience knowing that only our Maker can remake us again.
The Bible is all true, we should expect the Maker of the universe to do amazing things for us.
If you had so much as a spec of truth supporting evolution, you would have presented it.
The fact that people believe that objects made them what they are is proof of demons that deceive.
A rhino is a unicorn.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon you claim the bible is all true, righto, lets test your faith in your god.
Have you ever stoned an unruley child to death?
Have you ever murdered someone for working on sunday?
Have you ever decapitated a homosexual?
if you answer "no" to ANY of these things you are disobeying your god,
answering "no" also makes you morally superior to your god.
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX You have no concept of what holiness and perfectionis or what grace is. God is not able to tell us to try the best we can. He has to tell us to be perfect and there is no good reason for us not to want to be perfect.
The provision for our sin that God provided for us Himself is what makes it possible for us to be gracious to each other because the price for our sins have been paid.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon well done on not answering a single question i asked,
instead you bounce back with that "god teaches grace!" bulls%%t, when i just
told you your god who "wants us all to be gracious to eachother" tells you to murder
people for working on sundays or being homosexual.
massacre for working on a sunday IS NOT grace.
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX "Murder" is a legal term that means you violated a law against killing people when the law was to kill people who kill people and other crimes. The perfect law did not allow for any imperfection because God can say nothing less than perfect.
What you fail to understand is that we all deserve to die, not just homosexuals. If everyone deserves to die, we will just all kill each other and there will be no one left.
That is where grace comes in. God took the punishment we deserve Himself.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon i give up trying to talk sense into you, you've been so put down and poisoned by religion that you believe you deserve to die, theres no talking sanity into one as brainwashed as you :(
good luck.
DemoraX 3 months ago
@DemoraX 1. Something exists.
2. You do not get something from nothing.
3. Therefore a necessary and eternal “something” exists.
4. The only two options are an eternal universe and an eternal Creator.
5. Science and philosophy have disproven the concept of an eternal universe.
6. Therefore, an eternal Creator exists.
bammc19 2 months ago
@bammc19 i dont know where you're getting your info about the eternal universe, but on a quick google of it being disproven all that turns up are religious websites "godandscience" "apologetic press", those people will make up anything to defend their invisible, untouchable, unhearable friend that they "just know" exists.
also if a god definately existed why do all of the smartest minds on the planet think otherwise?
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain to me... come on... how did the universe come into existence? And why, If there is no God do you have right and wrong? If there is no God- then there is no Moral Law and you should kill every single person you see, because then we are animals and it results in survival of the fittest. EVERY single person knows that murder is wrong, and love is right. Moral Law= Moral law giver.
bammc19 2 months ago
@DemoraX Another thing, please don't tell me about Moral Relativism because everyone knows that is just an excuse to not face up to the truth about moral law. You hardened your heart to the Creator because you can't physically see Him or touch Him yet, His creation is EVERYWHERE around you. You, just like all non-believers have terrible arguments.
bammc19 2 months ago
@bammc19 you freaking idiot, you're not debating you're just spewing ridiculous claims, "his creation is everywhere!" "god made the universe!" NOONE KNOWS HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME TO EXIST. i dont see why you have a problem with rational thinkers being able to admit that, sure you can say "God did it" like you do with everything else you dont understand, lets say for a moment that you were right, why is the universe so flawed? our galaxy is on a collision course with another, thats just one example
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX an example of someone who is brainwashed by Satan and his lies right here. you know what happens to ppl like you when they die. they burn, they get tortured, unconditionally and they cant die. they are there for eternity. if you don't get your head out of the lies of wickedness you will not inherit the kingdom of god. unbelievers in this world believe in him a little bit, even fools like you who say they don't.
jamalboss34 2 months ago
@jamalboss34 you want wickedness? how about an army being sent in to a town with orders to kill EVERYTHING, women, children, old people, even the freaking cattle (thats commanded in your bible)
how about murdering 2 men for the simple act of love?
how about stoning a child to death for misbehaving?
how about a raped woman being forced to marry her attacker?
how about slavery?
how about genocide and infanticide?
how about child sacrifice?
READ YOU BOOK OF HATE.
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX i feel really bad for you man. the holy bible does not say any of that. in the old testament it says you have to sacrifice a lamb for forgiveness, before Christ. your either a tool of Satan hes using you, or misinterpreting what it really says, and of course a unbeliever will. i warn you, if you act wicked like: love money, yourself, pleasure, drinking drugs, pretty much everything every teen and adults do in society, that's what there taught, its all lies man, its all wicked.
jamalboss34 2 months ago
@jamalboss34 and the worst part is you did'nt know about any of it, go read them yourself if you like:
the murder of gays (Leviticus 20:13)
human sacrifice (too many to list all, Genesis 22:1-18)
Slavery (Exodus 21:20-21 which tells you if you beat your slave but they live for another 1-2 days its all good, because they're your property)
Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (if you rape someone god demands they must marry you without divorce)
Genocide (Samuel 15:2-3)
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX Being gay is a sin and He has a right to distroy any sinners. Human sacrifice? You wanted to name Genesis 22:1-18, which was just a test of faith, He didn't actually let Abraham kill his son. Slavery? Do you know who were slaves back in those times? Murders and robbers, God also taught people to treat their slaves well, so if you "beat" them, it would have been for a good reason like them trying to kill you, harm your family or steal from you. Slaves also got to be set free in 7 years.
babipassion25 2 months ago
@DemoraX "Rape"? It was actually protecting women, because if she was rapped she would be seen as either a prostitute then stonned to death or dirty for not being a virigin, so that man would be punished by paying her father, then having to marry her. So she would be killed or die alone. Genocide? God is not only love but He is just and intolerant of sin. Amalekites were wrong so God punished them. If you're a sinner, you were to be put to death, that's just the way it was.
babipassion25 2 months ago
@babipassion25 i love how you so passionately defended the act of forcing a woman to marry her rapist, and you agree that sex out of marriage/ homosexuality / athiesm (things you call sins) are worthy of MASS GENOCIDE.
christians are the worst kind of people so much hate for EVERYONE who is'nt them, yet you hide behind the guise of love.
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX For that time that was the best thing she could do. As I said, they would either stone her for looking like a prostitute or no one would want her because she isn't a virgin. They're not worthy of killing now because as I said before now you have a chance to live and choose what you want. I was an atheist just 6 months ago and now i'm a Christian so I assure you, Christians are no the worst people. I don't hate anyone and don't want anyone to die or be killed. Just explaining the OT.
babipassion25 2 months ago
@babipassion25 "For that time that was the best thing she could do"
so you're saying a guy who knows EVERYTHING and can make a universe just by thinking it could'nt manage to make a simple commandment "thou shalt not rape." "thou shalt not sell your daughters"?
as an athiest the bible is painstakingly written by man, for man as a backwards form of law, people would behave if they had fear of celestial torture.
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX Rape is wrong and everyone knows it, no where in the Bible does it say "It's okay to rape" Which is why if the women was engaged to be married to someone and a man rapes her, HE is to be put to death" Why? Because he's wrong, not her. AGAIN, if she was caught being raped by a man and isn't pledged to be married, they would have seen her as a prostitute and put to death as well. She didn't HAVE to get married, but it was for her protection.
babipassion25 2 months ago
@babipassion25 would an all knowing being just say "if a woman is raped her attacker is to be punished and she is not to be harmed"?
makes a little more sense than forcing her to marry the man that just abused her...
this is just one of the hundreds of things in the bible that dont mesh with an all knowing being
DemoraX 2 months ago
@DemoraX Once again, she was forced to. And even if she wasn't harmed she was still seen as dirty because she isn't a virgin anymore. Virginity is supposed to be for husbands. Hundreds of things you have a problem with, but your opinion doesn't matter, mine doesn't either.
babipassion25 2 months ago
@babipassion25 "Hundreds of things you have a problem with, but your opinion doesn't matter"
yes but it'd be a problem if people actually took the bible seriously, can you imagine someone wearing some clothing thats had a plagued rat die on it, just because the bible says "wash it with water, wait until evening and it will be clean"(leviticus 11;32), its that kind of thing that could cause an epidemic, and its again, something an all knowing being would'nt say
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jamalboss34 2 months ago
@jamalboss34 this may offend you, but im putting in my time to tell you the truth, the bible is the truth. god loves you so much and he wants a relationship with you. but its your choice to take it or leave it. and if you don't take it then i pray for you, because so many unbelievers are being deceived and already have been deceived, if the deceived had a chance to get a second chance they would take it instantly. trust me. the road to damnation is more wide than it is long.
jamalboss34 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Forever bro... He knew it would be like this (John 15:18)
bammc19 2 months ago
So youre satasfied with knowing that god created the big bang, but not knowing where god came from???
plus.. if you dont know, you just dont know. making up an answers is just plain pathetic.
DrewCMan1 3 months ago
@DrewCMan1 There is no time space beyond time and space.
I do know there is one Maker of all matter. It is the Maker of the ordered functions that hydrogen has.
That is the only evidence that we have.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon The only thing outside of existance is non-existance. Yes it is crazy to think that something came from nothing, but to think that something came from nothing due to an intelligent being is even more preposterous. It is better to admit that you dont know instead of pretending that you do know or making up an answer and claiming its the only possibility.
DrewCMan1 3 months ago
@DrewCMan1 Outside of the fabrication of time space is what is forever true.
Not even science is true forever because it observes a fabrication that is subject to change.
We were given the fabrication so that we could know about what is forever true.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon really?? have you been there before? ...
DrewCMan1 3 months ago
@DrewCMan1 If truth did not exist, we would not exist. We exist so we can know there is truth.
There is nothing more true than the fact that only our Maker is able to remake us again because there is no one else who can.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
the real god of the heaven's is Zeus ! do your research you idiot earth was formed out of revolution as well as humans from apes christians stole a pagan religion and twisted it around to make it their own and made of their jesus read you might learn something lol
royallove23 3 months ago
love your videos! thanks so much for posting. I hope to do this one day!
gamgagirl 3 months ago
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@gamgagirl
creationists are the dumbest people in the world, the jesters of science.
Elohir2 3 months ago
Ugh. Uninformed atheists irritate me. Religion is a huge force. Read and be ready to debate a retard theist intelligently
KuatoFilms 4 months ago
Who's the guy yelling idiocies on the street?
Doesn't he understand that his "god of the gaps" is ridiculous?
ChristianIce 4 months ago
@ChristianIce And "The End is Nigh" isn't?
BoredomCorner 4 months ago
"the Believer in God has "more plausible" answers than the atheist"
AHAHAHAHAH O YEAHH!
"God did it" yes, a very good response.
Youre another tiny stupid christian, who doesnt know anithig about science, and cries because science doesn't accept his imaginary friend.
In every debate, a well informed atheist, ALWAYS kick the christian's ass.
Elohir2 4 months ago
what a dumb ass, this is the lamest video. you do not understand science, period.
Ollychamberlain 4 months ago 2
what a dumb ass
Ollychamberlain 4 months ago
I love it when people debate like this: when people don't have google to help them out over youtube where they can find the best response an article has to offer. :D
DjPulseK 4 months ago
The function of hydrogen working inside of us proves that there is only One Maker of all matter.
Mutations never order anything so there is no evolution. No objects or forces ever ordered anything.
Function always proves there is a maker and the ordered functions in life forms prove that we have a very great Maker.
watch?v=HoKVVYJ8KJM
JungleJargon 4 months ago
@JungleJargon
¿How do you know, "the maker" is the primitive, infantile, cruel, inept, sadistic and stupid god of the bible?
Yes yes, "because the bible say so"
HAHAHA retarded christians.
90% of the scientist are atheists
99.9% support evolution
¿¿¿¿SO WHO CARES ABOUT THE OPINION OF STUPID, IGNORANT FUCKTARDS, WHO PRETENDS TO REPLACE SCIENCE, FOR STUPID BRONZE AGE MYTHS????
Elohir2 4 months ago
@Elohir2 The ordered function of hydrogen proves that there is only One Maker of all things.
No one ever proved that objects made us what we are.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon
Oh yeah, and mickey mouse is the maker.
You didn't answer my question, ¿how do you know the "maker" is the god of the bible?
Cmon, evade it again.
You creationists are the dumbest people in the world, the jesters of science.
99.9% of scientists support evolution, i wonder why.
Elohir2 3 months ago
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JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon
AHAHA!! so funny.
"The god of the bible is the creator of all, because the bible says that he said he is the creator........."
Using a circular argument as always.
Your stupidity is incredible, ¿and you say i don't know about science?
thats why i must repeat:
YOU CREATIONISTS ARE THE DUMBEST, PATHETIC ANIMALS IN THE WORLD oh ¿the bible mention hidrogen or the other elements?
NO!!!
Elohir2 3 months ago
@Elohir2 You wanted to know how the Maker of function of hydrogen relates to the God of the Bible.
The God of the Bible is the Maker of all things and the Maker of the function of hydrogen is the Maker of all things because all matter is derived from hydrogen also proving that there *is* only One God who is the Maker of all things.
It's not circular, it's a confirmation of what the Bible says that there is only One Maker of all things and there is no other god or maker.
See, that wasn't hard.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon
-So the god of the bible create everything
-Hydrogen is a part of everything
-Then hydrogen is proof of the god of the bible.
¿REALLY? ¿YOU CAN'T SEE THE CIRCULAR ARGUMENT?
ARE YOU RETARDED OR WHAT???
You're the proof, the greatest evidence that chistian fundamentalists are THE DUMBEST, PATHETIC AND STUPID PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.
Elohir2 3 months ago
@Elohir2 The function of hydrogen has a Maker who is the Maker of everything derived from hydrogen and that Maker is the only God who can remake us again because there is no other maker who can.
That is a mirror image of the teaching of Scripture so it is parallel reasoning and confirmation, not circular.
The same exact thing I see in nature is the same exact thing I see in the Bible.
That is two witnesses that say the same thing.
You don't know what you are dealing with.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
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@JungleJargon
"and that Maker is the only God who can remake us again because there is no other maker who can"
HOW DO YOU KNOW???
Oh yes "the bible say so"
I repeat YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY RETARDED AND STUPID.
I'm dealing with a brainless fucktard who think he is smart.
Elohir2 3 months ago
@JungleJargon
The God of the KURAM is the Maker of all thing, and the Maker of the function of hydrogen is the Maker of all things because all matter is derived from hydrogen also proving that there *is* only One God who is the Maker of all things.
See? using the same idiotic argument i can prove the god in the kuram is the one.
HAHAHA poor idiot.
Elohir2 3 months ago
@Elohir2 One more thing, only your Maker can be your Savior because there is no one else who can save us.
Only the Bible says that only our Maker Himself can be our Savior.
You thought God was wrong when you are the one who is wrong.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon
I don't need to be "saved" from anything.
I'm a good-honest person, i don't say god is wrong, i say THE BIBLE IS WRONG, because it is not the word of god.
Elohir2 3 months ago
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@Elohir2 As a good-honest person, do you say that only your Maker is able to be your Savior because there is no one else who can be?
As long as you are going to die, you need to be remade again and the only One who can do that is your Maker.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@Elohir2 You need to slow down some to follow the reasoning which I did post the last time.
The God of the Bible says He is the One Maker of all things. There is no other God other than the Maker of the function that hydrogen and most of the most common elements have working inside of us according to a preexisting word written in and with the function that the elements were made to have.
I know it is not your fault that you were never taught very much relevant science.
Objects order no life.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon You do realize that evolution HAS been proven many times over, don't you?
BoredomCorner 4 months ago
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@BoredomCorner It has never been proven that objects made us what we are.
JungleJargon 3 months ago
Awesome! I love everything you guys do, keep at it and don't let anyone tell you different God Bless!
eddiesells2010 4 months ago
Argument from ignorance fail. Even if there was something before the Big Bang, there is no evidence of any kind that it was the kind of supernatural critter described in the books of the Christian Bible (or the Torah).
artgoat 4 months ago
(sarcasm on) Thank God ( sarcasm off ) that people like Dillahunty and probably many other atheists I haven't heard pointed the stupidity of arguments this preacher uses. He dosen't know something therefore ->God.
Typical argumentum ad auditorem, ignoratiam, hominem, verecundiam.
Laburnus 4 months ago
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Laburnus 4 months ago
YEESS!! PRAISE GOD
ryryr87 4 months ago
The argument this guy makes is logical all the way up to the Christian God. Had he left out the love/hate paradigm about damnation or salvation, and the fact that his God is the correct one, it makes a lot more sense. We may all just be energy that goes back into the universe to one day be transported into another living entity. No one knows, and no one ever will. Science will never find all the answers either.
jbourg333 4 months ago
This is no proof for god.
I can think of a universe that is created by god. God 'thinks' let ther be light and pop there comes the universe from nothing.
But also I can think—and it is as irrational the former thought—of a popping universe without god. But it's more likely. And it proves nothing. It just proves that we cannot say anything that caused the big bang, because there was no time existing in which a cause could happen, because for this time is mandatory.
This is a draw on that case.
HerrSerker 5 months ago
:( "check your brain at the door!!!" yer better than that Chad. No man will accept the gospel when delivered with statements that belittle them.
I do enjoy that you go out & do open-air action to delievr the gospel.
God bless
hexusziggurat 5 months ago
Nice! I don't do open air preaching but I use the kalam cosmological argument as well when it comes to evangelism whenever a skeptic asks about the existence of God. Keep up the great work God bless! P.S. it seems as if you had read the book by Norman Geisler "I do not have enough faith to be an atheist" which is an excellent read when it comes to apologetics! ^-^
dominguessdude 5 months ago
Just because I dont know does not make you correct .
There is evidence of a big bang . There is no evidence of god.
So much for not being preachy .
torrid426 5 months ago
"I'm asking you a very specific question.." Yeah, he heard you the first time. The answer is, nobody knows yet. And you inventing a fucking invisible man and saying "HE DID IT!!" Doesn't answer anything.
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mjfraser04 5 months ago
How did space, time, mass, and matter come to exsist? I do not know and neither do you. And that Chad, is not blind faith. But your notion that every unknown has to equate to "proof" there is a God is. Just because you recite rehearsed jargon using, what seems to the lay person, to be intellectual words does not make you intellectual (think the bar scene in Good Will Hunting). Blind faith is an ironic gift to give to the creator of intelligence.
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 "I don't know, and neither do you." How do you know that we don't know? Or are you saying.."Because I don't know, you can't know."
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mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 How do you know that logic is true?
"God is the irrational answer to a rational question." Okay if you don't know the answer, how do you know that the answer of God is irrational?? I'll repeat it, if you don't know the answer as to what caused the universe into existence, how do you know that God is an irrational answer??
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1 Because in this reality...the reality that is our day-to-day exsitence, in which we make every decision in out life based on ration (which seperates us from infants and animals) assigning an answer based off "faith" to one of the most important questions of our species, is irrational. That's how.
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 But you're assuming that our reality is all there is. That whole argument you just gave assumes that our reality is the only reality, in fact you're going by what you perceive only in what you think exists and that is our reality is all there is.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1 No i'm not, nothing in my statement suggests I think our reality is the only reality. This is why I am not an athiest. I am agnostic. This is why I can say I don't know and neither do you. However, this IS our reality. And until either our science or some sort of diety shows proof or valid evidence to what occured before either the Big Bang, before the first before and then before that, then all I have is THIS reality to base a rational decision on.
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 Watch this..Me." You're saying that our reality is all there is." You: "No, I'm not," THEN YOU SAY..."I think our reality is the only reality." i.e. the only reality that exists hence our reality is all there is. Why can't I know? How do you know I don't know? Can you prove I don't know? Answer those 3 questions please.
And you would be believing your position is true based on faith. Because you don't know, right?
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mjfraser04 5 months ago
@Christistruth1 Before you try to get tough on the internet and start responding in a condescending manor please go back and re-read my resposnse, I'll wait. What it says is, "No i'm not, nothing in my statement suggests I think our reality is the only reality." If you still cant decypher that complicated sentence I can't help you.
1. If you can tell me how it is you know if there is or isn't a God, I will make you a billionare 2-times over! You'd share a category with Newton, Einstein,etc,
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 I'm just trying to figure out your argument. You said two contradicting things. Okay, you've said that our reality isn't the only reality. Okay I just needed that cleared up. It's been a long day. But very good. So our reality isn't the only reality, great. I'm glad we cleared that up. Oh and don't insult me, if you want a conversation stop being arrogant. Doesn't work. I highly doubt you can or even have the potential to make me a billionaire. This is not Jr High here, chap.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1 2. I know you don't know because you are a human with no special powers or any more of a gifted mind (and judging by your responses your mind quite the contrary to gifted) than any other human today or though the annals of time.
3. This is my favorite because it shows just how new and uneducated you are at this debate. Watch this....I don't have to prove there is no God! Just like I don't have to prove there is no Unicorns. You dont have to prove a negative! Logic!
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 Who says special powers are required to know anything? Okay more personal attacks? Is that the best you have? Your immaturity to fall back on? Let's move forward please. Ah, now taking a stab at my education are we? I never said I didn't need to prove there was a God. Now, you're trying to dishonestly turn the argument on me. You didn't answer my questions at all, at best responded childishly believing that special powers are needed to know God's existence.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1 Also, I was never asked to be born. I had absoloutely zero input on my exsistence. Why do I have to thank...no, worship a diety of anykind that selfishly put me into exsitence, only to be destined to live forever, again without my input, whether it be in heaven or hell? Why? If someone gives you something you never asked for or even wanted, and in some cases has made your life miserable (child deformities, born into poverty, abused, etc)...why do you owe that person your life?
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 "I was never asked to be born." That's an illogical statement, how can you be asked to be born if you didn't exist? That's a dumb statement chap. Well if you don't like your existence take yourself out of existence then. There are people who have it worse. But go ahead. You do have input, you have denied Christ's salvation, and that was your input. Oh so now you're complaining about your miserable life? Look go whine in a puddle of pity by yourself. Self pity is weak.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 cont..I have a nephew who's deformed, he's loved and that doesn't make him a lesser human being. People who are born into poverty can get themselves out of it, also can do so with help from people who are willing to humble themselves to do so. Abusive people can over come with strength, YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES. Don't give me self pity excuses, they don't work with me or on God. If you hate God for those things then do yourself a favor and go meet him now then ask him why.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1 trying to reason with people like you is exhausting and infantile so I am ending this discussion here. I do not have the patience for people that are so far out of touch with reality, ration, and logic as most uneducated thiests are. I was an uneducated devout Christian myself until I started asking questions and doing research. Give it a shot. All I ask of anybody is to just educate yourself and do your own research. That's all I ask. Good day
mjfraser04 5 months ago
@mjfraser04 Okay now, you're just brushing the argument off by ridicule. You're not answering my questions. Look if you're ending this conversation because you feel the need to ridicule and make personal attacks then your argument is week, at best. How am I out of touch with reality? You weren't "devout", if you were "devout" you would still be a Christian. I've done 17years of Biblical study along with philosophy and psychology, and studied in the Hebrew and Greek texts.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
You have made a strong assertions " God exist"
Why do you think that ?
Please dont take this lightly I will certainly challenge your faith if you are rude.
Fore warning. I am an atheist and I have only ever gotten 3 responses from theist who challenge me
1 Most common quoting scripture and changing the subject.
2 the answer that I'm correct and they are going to stick with their faith any way.
3 Two hundred and eight became atheist and stopped wasting their lives.
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 When did I say "God exists"? You couldn't challenge my faith if you were the Stephen Hawking. Fore Warning, you won't like me when were done, in fact you're going to hate me.
1. If you quote scripture, I will prove you'r wrong about it.
2. I will prove that you aren't correct. 17yrs of Biblical study here, in the Hebrew and Greek texts, took psychology and philosophy.
3. I doubt that's true, it's a claim you can't prove. I would have to believe you're that honest. I don't.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
You are already misreading my words. Ok one thing at a time for the slow of whit.
You said to mjfraser04 on September 18th "Don't give me self pity excuses, they don't work with me or on God"
What did you mean by this ?
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 "misreading" You mean to say.."You've misread." "The slow of whit." Son don't make threats you can't back up.
"What did you mean by this?" Why did I direct it towards you? No. So why do you care? See what you're trying to do is use that as an argument. YOU SAID I said God exists. Quote me. Now, do I believe God exists? Yes, I do. But this is not an argument for your position, because you're going to use absence of evidence as your argument.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
Excellent you are well educated. Honed right in on the little grammar faux pas.
So if you did not direct it toward me it does not count ?
"because you're going to use absence of evidence as your argument"
No I asked you why you believe in god. I just wanted to know and I warned you to not be rude. You are of such flawed character you choose a fight.
I personally prefer to focus on the false sections of the religions.
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 I never said it didn't count, I'm asking why do you care? I believe in God for more than one reason, in fact, personal, historical, archeological, scientific reasons. Now, you may not agree with me, but that proves nothing. I will not be rude as long as you're not rude. The moment you are, is the moment you lose. Many religions are false.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
I asked you why you believe in god and your reply was "When did I say "God exists""
My question stands "why do you believe in god ?"
Being rude and being correct are not mutually exclusive. I f I say "2+2=4 geek" I am correct I am also rude.
Did you really want to debate religion ? I just was wondering why an educated person believes in god.
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 You quoted me that I had said God exists. Now I do believe he does exists, but when did I say that? Again, to answer your question go back to my previous response. Yes, and if you're rude, you don't deserve my attention, do you? No. I don't care, I've studied many religions. "Why an educated person believes in God?' I'm wondering why an educated person doesn't? You tell me.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
Way to not answer the question.
Are these not your words" If any of them are you said god exist.
"Watch for videos refuting these atheists coming soon."
"a Christistruth1 film truth productions refuting atheism"
"God using the sound of his voice which was a loud bang, and energy being sound caused the universe into existence"
I dont believe in god because every document in favor of god is flawed to the core.
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 Yes they are my words, stalker. AHHH, prove they are flawed, and I will prove you're wrong about them, don't quote Zeitgeist either kiddo. I need to do a video about you stalking me.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
I answered your question and all I get is bla bla bla . Are you too stupid to answer the question ?
You said
"When did I say "God exists?"
So I answered your questions and now you accuse me of being a stalker.
Grow up you little bitch. Admit defeat or answer the question. If you are too stupid to answer the question just shut up.
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 You are a stalker, you're going to my channel and watching everything I have been saying. Now, again I do believe God does exist, but during this conversation, when did I say that? "Grow up you little bitch." LOL, what are you in Jr High? lololol. I wasn't defeated, you haven't defeated me, lol. I did answer you, I said I believe God does exist. I believe God exists because we have historical evidence, archeological evidence, forensic, and eye witness accounts.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
Wow your own self applause"lol" needed, you are sad.
Again you asked for citations so I brought them. Stop being a whine bitch.
Because you are too fucking stupid to get it another example.
All of your examples fit atheism as well
"we have historical evidence, archeological evidence, forensic, and eye witness accounts"
The question you have failed to answer for days now
"Why do you believe in god "
torrid426 5 months ago
@torrid426 I'm laughing, nothing wrong with that is there stalker? "Stop being a whine bitch." What are you in Jr High? "Because you are too f*cking stupid to get it another example." Yup, you're in Jr High. How do they fit atheism? No I haven't you want more? The Ontological Argument, First Cause, Design, Moral argument. Those are part of why I believe in God, I would have thought that someone as "smart" and as "bright" and "free thinking" as you would have understood that already.
Christistruth1 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
Right Jr high. Appeal to a social construct where you are the older wiser and I'm obviously wrong because of inexperience. Why are you using straw man arguments ? Oh thats right because you have nothing but flawed scripture to point to and you dont want to talk about that flotsam.
I was asking why you believed not what evidence you felt you have. You were born into it and and coincidence is a bad reason.
Which version of this crap do you subscribe to ?
torrid426 5 months ago
@Christistruth1
Right Jr high. Appeal to a social construct where you are the older wiser and I'm obviously wrong because of inexperience. Why are you using straw man arguments ? Oh thats right because you have nothing but flawed scripture to point to and you dont want to talk about that flotsam.
I was asking why you believed not what evidence you felt you have. You were born into it and and coincidence is a bad reason.
Which version of this crap do you subscribe to ?
torrid426 5 months ago