@30secondstosnickers What are your sources for saying that? Frysk is actually recognized as a sovereign language because of its separate evolution from Dutch?
@Timinem100 The Frisians were settled during their "Magna Frisia" period between the coast area between France and Denmark. The entire coast area there was mostly Frisian. Frysk is an older language than Dutch, and yes, descendant from another language tree than Dutch. But since Dutch and Frysk were so closely related, Frysk influenced Dutch alot, and a few hundred yearslater the other way around.
@BirkaViking Dutch has evoluted from an original German dialect. the Germans called it 'Theodisk' (which is also the ethomology behind the word 'Dietsch', which then again is the ethomology of Dutch.)
Theodisk is (when literally translated.) 'Language of the people'.
That's interesting because Theodisc(obviously using the thorn letter instead of TH) is the language spoken by English Saxons basically known as old English which is a shame.
@nihilinanima But at the same time the Rök runestone that makes a historical reference to Ostrogothic king (effectively emperor of the western Roman empire) Theodoric the Great is located in the east Götaland so Iam fairly sure that the Goths was mix between these two tribes.
And well about the modern nationality the Franks was a west Germanic tribal confederation and the same goes for the Dutch and English and son on.
@nihilinanima Well The Geats lived in now days Götaland. Götaland was diveded in to west and east Götaland back in this time. But the Gutes are not the Same tribe as the Geats. The Gutes lived at the Gotland Island.
The Goths was probably a mix of the Gutes and Geats because the only Germanic languages that are similar to the dead Gothic language in the world are the Gutes languages.
Several names of the Germanic tribes are dead wrong: for instance, there never were Flemish and Dutch tribes.
Nowadays the Dutch germanic ancestors were mainly Frisians, Saxons and Franks. With substrates of tribes as Bataves, Caninefates and probably celtic remnants. In Belgium the Germanic tribes (mainly the Franks) subdued the celtic tribes (already mixed with romans) and mixed with them.
Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never based on 'race'!
@LankaDutch I know very well about this but instead of writing all the tribes who were the Franks and Dutch I just wrote the now a days names. The Germanic tribes was called the Germnaic tribes because they had the same culture and and languages base and also the same writing system (Runic alphabet) before they become christans.
I'm glad you were so wise not to play the 'racial' (Aryan) card as so many people do. Germanic tribes all have integrated Baltic, Celtic, Slavic substrates which gave us so many types of bodily features as blue-grey-green-brown eyes and from light blond till very dark brown (black) hair to name a few.
BTW, Sorry I've posted my 1st reply 3 times (due to my mistake of thinking I can change the initial reply for spellings mistakes).
Yes,your example is the great exception,I forgot that,my mistake.
Don´t forget the late middle ages/pre enlightenment where peoples of different macro ethnicities entered in constant contact,despite cultural frictions,and wars,there was no racial arguments,just cultural,and religious arguments.
For one thing, most people didn't meet, nor mix, which can be discovered looking at paternal and maternal haplogroup maps over the world. The middle-ages that you speak of, had quite a strong contrast between the European, white, Christian crusadors and the Islamic, non-white, invadors. They weren't in contact with other peoples as frequently, although we know that Arabs who were in contact with blacks, wrote all nasty sort of things about blacks.
The awareness of brown and white,a sort of pre racism,appeared just in XVIII century France(the most influential country in western Europe),where white skin color was considered a characteristic of a noble person,and brown characteristic of a peasant,then that theory was later politicized,conceptually expanded,and applied to the whole world, by other powers such as Britain and Germany,to justify their imperialism's.
"The awareness of brown and white,a sort of pre racism,appeared just in XVIII century France"
Uhm, no, that is incorrect.
It appeared in Egypt, by Pharaoh, Sensuret the III, ruler of the 12th dynasty, ~ 2000 bc.
And the earliest written records, in India, in the Rig Vedas (as mentioned) which are about 5000 years old, mentioning a racial war between flat nosed, dark skinned Dravidians and light skinned, Aryans.
You might also want to google Khoisan and the words Zhu, Oma, a.
Several names of the Germanic tribes are dead wrong: for instance, there never were Flemish and Dutch tribes.
Nowadays the Dutch germanic ancestors were mainly Frisians, Saxons and Franks. With substrates of tribes as Bataves, Caninefates and probably celtic remnants. In Belgium the Germanic tribes (mainly the Franks) subdued the celtic tribes (already mixed with romans) and mixed with them.
Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never 'racially' based on!
Several names og the Germanic tribes are dead wrong: for instance, there never were Flemish and Dutch tribes.
Nowadays the Dutch germanic ancestors were mainly Frisians, Saxons and Franks. With substrates of tribes as Bataves, Caninefates and probably celtic remnants. In Belgium the Germanic tribes (mainly the Franks) subdued the celtic tribes (already mixed with romans) and mixed with them.
Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never 'racially' based on!
"Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never 'racially' based on!"
That's because they aren't different races.
They share the same phenotype and language is highly mutable.
Notice how quickly whites Europeans from different nationalities in America assimilated while how, other races still haven't assimilated with eachother. That applied to the tribes of old as well.
In America there are racial groups, in which the different groups of Europe very easilly assimilated and became "one" if you will. That is because they look very much like eachother. If a Russian person entered America, his descendents usually learnt perfect english and all of a sudden you couldn't tell his children from a Germans or a Swedes. This is not the case with NativeAmericans or Blacks, who are seperate themselves from Whites and eachother, etc
Today you can only tell who is a Swede and who is a Bosnian based on their lastname.
This is not the case with Blacks or Arabs living in Sweden.
The reason for this is because we look very similar to other Europeans, whilst Europeans look very different to other races. That is why assimilation between ancient tribes isn't a great, surprise of "revelation".
It's completelly different from the modern attempt to assimilate other races who look different.
@MrHerrIQ Native Americans, when not put away in 'Reservations' are even known to have assimilated a lot. So much, that some of them (choose to) hardly be aware of it.
That's just empty claims, until you provide some reference point.
Because it runs contrary to these facts, The reservations kick out non-natives.
And Whites who adopt native children must, for psychological health reasons, constantly re-visit the reservation sites. Most natives didn't disappear through mixing, but through disease and warfare.
@MrHerrIQ Don't know about the Bosnians and their position in Sweden. Probably, if they're not fanatic Muslims (most of them never were) it helps them to be more integrated/assimilated.
Blacks from Africa and Muslims of whatever colour who have immigrated recently are a different cup of tea!
I don't have all the answers to the origin(s) and solution(s) to let them integrate/assimilate like Bosnians in Sweden, Surinamese in holland etc.
But ' hateful' warmongering extremists? Back to wherever!
Yes, but what made them easy to integrate was that they looked Swedish and thus no one knew about it, untill they spoke with an accent, etc. A few generations down the road and they were indistingeoushable from Swedes, unlike Blacks and Arabs. I dont think they can integrate/assimilate like Bosnians in Europe, for the same reason Blacks in America haven't assimilated unlike Russians and Germans.
Tribalism and race consciousness is dangerous to deny, because when screaming things like "No to racism", you are assuming it can be made to go away when it cannot and building society on such a false notion is dangerous for all members involved. Likewise, it's dangerous to forment hatred and abuse this inherited tribalism. If your God would have wanted us all to be one, then why has he created different peoples, why didn't he create us as one to begin with?
Likewise, why did he scatter humanity all over the world in the Tower of Babyl and give them different languages? There's quotes in the bible speaking against racial mixing. I mention them in my "Racism is Natural" series in the section dealing with (racism in mans ancient history).
Im not a Christian so I really couldn't care less, what the bible says, but I know that there's quotes and storys that can be interpreted as quite racist.
@MrHerrIQ I'm aware of ' so-called' commandments not to ' mix' from the Bible. Seems to me a theological debate matter about time, place, peoples, tribes, keeping your religion stainless+circumstances. Not a definite command not to mix. The Tower of Babylon story had nothing to do with mixing of races as such. See a good Bible + studies on the web about those issues.
It had to do about scattering people comming together.
It's good that you are aware that the Bible speak out against mixing, but it's strange that you pick and choose what you want to be the words of God and not. That's not really honest, although Im aware the bible contradict itself, as does most religeous books, that is a major flaw with religeous books. People can read into it exactly what they like and dont like.
@MrHerrIQ Coming together to ' conspire' against God! To think they can be as powerful as Him. It was aimed at Himself! Not because of the race mixing without this aim!
Anyway even most of the Afrikaner Boers in South Africa acknowledge this nowadays and condemn their previous apartheid as against the ' whole biblical context' .
No doubt that every religion has ' pick and choose' problems. But so-called Biblical contradictions can be placed and rebuked. Whatever one chooses to believe.
@MrHerrIQ Well Adam and Eve were not ' blondes' to start with. DNA-science has found out that there only are ONE handfull of ' original mothers' (Urmutter in German) for Europeans of different varieties. Seems to me a nice theory to be backed up by even ' Noah's Ark'!
I'm no exact scientist, but seems to me ' genes' prove a lot of DNA unused, but ALREADY present to come up according to natural circomstances and therefore rather ADAPTATION than EVOLUTION!
@MrHerrIQ The formation of new (mixed) races and species is
1. With DNA already present since creation (blue or brown eyes DNA f.i. ? Both are present in ALL races, be it not both equally dominant, because of f.e. natural circumstances).
2. New races and species need some kind of ' intelligence' to create them. not just ' chance times time' .
The universe started from a substance (gas) that suddenly exploded by chance. The Big Bang? Where did it start from? Chance by mathematical precision?
Im sorry, that's creationist bs, but I will let creationist incorrect assumption, slide, because it is non-threatening to the evolutionary theory. I dont know where it all started from. No one knows. But science works with what we know. And so do I.
@MrHerrIQ 'Groups of Europe easily assimilated ...?' Depends how you look upon it. Throughout it seems that places and periods in the US where none of the Europeans from diff. countries were really dominated in numbers 'superficial' assimilation went faster than in places and periods where large numbers of immigrants from one country (or 'cultural, linguistically similar' countries) came in and formed Little Italies, Germantowns, etc.
Martin Van Buren (1782 – 1862), his Dutch ancestors
@MrHerrIQ ... Dutch ancestors who came to the now US already in 1632(!) hardly or never intermarrying with 'English' speakers, became the first US born president with his 'home language' still being Dutch!
The Dutch, Germans, Italians, Polish, etc., etc. even Russians had their ' assimilation' depending on their numbers and the people's density of cities, regions etc. But I agree, as Dutch-Americans, Italo-Americans etc. they felt themselves AMERICANS and gradually only kept interest ....
@MrHerrIQ ... kept interest in the ' old' country for a ' distant' belonging to a once shared language, culture etc.
Coloured / Black people integrating? In Holland more than a million have ' some' Indonesian bloodlines. They feel a 100% Dutch (the young gener. not speaking Indonesian; but some cultural inheritance as food still alive). Suriname blacks/coloureds (many already with mixed ancestors, incl. Dutch, German, Jewish and British) are known to have interracial relationships etc. Their
@MrHerrIQ Where does the information about specifically Surinamese and Dutch-Indonesians I wrote factually go wrong? Surely NONE 'specific' study whatsoever about these groups can state the opposite. And as a teacher I witness(ed) this on a day to day basis.
I'm interested though to see what your vids come up with.
They deal with how poorly racial groups in different countries of the world, assimilate.
It covers, Sweden, it covers Britain and it covers America and I believe France, to show that this is a global phenomenon and not a geographically or time-wise, specific, "exceptionall" case, but rather, the growing norm. Yes, please watch them, that particular section is about 1 hour long.
Well, it cant go factually right, either since it is an individualist, subjective interpretation of a situation, which might be tainted with personal biases. So in a factuall discussion, such a statement is useless, because it is unverifiable, but since in areas where we have meassured this, the result has been the opposite, and there's a market of disproving this and they haven't harnished this exception of yours, then it's very likelly, it is incorrect.
@MrHerrIQ Several polls and studies, mainly in Dutch, about f.i. Dutch-Indonesians and their ' assimilation' have been undertaken over the years. In Dutch universities they have several ' colonial related studies' etc. Take my word on that. 400 years of Dutch colonialism have made us be (more) ' sensible' of studying ALL the aspects of those, for us Dutch, important pages in history.
@MrHerrIQ Write to universities in Holland (Leiden, Delft, Amsterdam etc.) and they can provide you with the answers you desperately want to ' research' as I'm sure you did with the Racism is Natural series on videos.
Perhaps our scholars on colonialism, ethinicity, anthropology etc. can give you the websites with English or German language info about doctoral studies etc.
@MrHerrIQ 1. Try "ethnic studies holland" for on google for starters and you might find interesting links to what I was referring to.
2. Most unis in Holland provide batchelor's and master's degrees studies in the above fields (check google). I'm sure they came/come up with doctoral scriptions (mostly in Dutch?) about assimilation/integration etc. into our dutch society thru the ages.
3. The frequently Dutch language magazine articles about the pros and cons of a multi-culti society I ...
@MrHerrIQ ... cannot provide for you. I'm sure that the discussion they deal with in their studies provides the logical outcome that previous studies on these matters remain inconclusive (As for a lot of 'human studies' scientists tend to MAKE there theses stick to their own preset minds: As a schoolteacher with 33 years of experience I read a lot of articles by so-called experts on education + integration etc. and found them to be inconclusive myself).
@MrHerrIQ without trying to integrate let alone assimilate (Muslim minorities, Asians and Africans without real colonoal or other ties with the West, etc.). But, indeed thru study, reading and long teacher's experience I can state, that the before-mentioned ethnic groups in Holland f.i., with a 350 years of 'shared' (colonial) history etc., are 'positively' integrated even getting assimilated to be like 'ordinary' Dutch.
5. But I agree with anyone who wants his European country not to be ...
@MrHerrIQ ... their ' assimilation' is almost complete, I think: Proud to be of African (slave) background and now equally proud of being a Dutchman!
What it boils down to is: How far and how long does it take to label yourselves and others to be ' integrated'?
In the US 6.7% in 2010 are interracial Americans. Not bad if you realize it took till 1967 to make ' interracial marriage' to be accepted by the US Supreme Court! Blacks + espec. the whites had their reasons for ' American Apartheid' !
So you're saying it is in Whites interest to have the American Apartheid, and now you rejoice because they no longer are able to protect themselves against invader.. eh, I mean immigrants?
Well, there's another theory there, which also can bee seen in my "Racism is Natural" series, in section (interracial Marriage, Dating), that if the members of a minority race increase, then the number of interracial couples decrease, suggesting they mixed due to a lack of their own members.
"I think: Proud to be of African (slave) background and now equally proud of being a Dutchman!"
Then you're obviously seperating your identity from the Dutch, who do not share an African (slave) identity with you. You're aware of that difference and you harnish it. That's not assimilation. That's merely, integration.
@MrHerrIQ ' Then ... with you' . Why do you think like that? Don't know the word ' harnish' too.
Anyway, for me the bottom line is also ' I prefer assimilation to integration' . Intermarriage between ' ex-colonial' people and Dutch to me proves this litterally as long as our ' main culture' remains Dutch.
My ancestors are mainly Dutch (incl. Flemish) and German and traced back till the 1st half of the 16th C.
My wife has North-and South-Indian (aryan+dravidian) and prob. Portuguese+Jewish ...
As do I. I think it's easier with population that look like eachother though. It's harder for a Swede to assimilate into SaudiaArabia than it is for an Iraqi.
I myself descend from Charlemagne, French Kings, English Kings, Scottish Kings, Scandinavian Kings and Saint Birgitta, on my fathers side. On my mothers side, Im from Swedish farmers.
Must be difficult to ' prove' the " royal" lines though.
Just as it is for me to ' prove' that before the 16th C. my ancestors were mainly Frisians, Franks, Saxons and Celts! (On the Goeree-Overflakkee island where my father's ancestors came from many people also claim to be of Charlenagne's blood. Surname: Aleman [Aah le mann]).
Slavic people like Bosnians can mostly still be recognizable from Western/Northern Europeans is my expertise.
I am lucky, because I got it for free. My aunt's neighbour is a retired geneologist with a passion for her former occupation. Noble bloodlines recorded their pedigree/familytree much earlier and is better preserved. I dont think Slavic people can be distinguished from Northern Europeans. But this is merely yours and my own, subjective opinion and not fact. If they can, it's only slightly.
@MrHerrIQ ... Jewish blood. She's aware of her 'great' Sinhalese, Tamil etc. background from Sri Lanka a.s.o. Being proud of it. But over the time has been integrated and now assimilated and proud to be Dutch!!!
Just as the abt. 20% of Americans who are proud to be of ' irish' stock!
My son, a ' double blood', is a 100% DUTCH!
If the Dutch with German, Huguenot, Indonesian etc (background/race; there isn't even a real white race!)bloodlines can be a 100% Dutch ... so can he! No to RACISM!!
You can only assimilate if you are indistingeoushable.
If I can look at a person and see they're from somewhere else, then the implicit brain recognize this difference and has social effects according to liberal sociologists.
You cant be proud to be a member of a BMW company or a member of Colorado Avalanche & at the same time be proud of being a member of Citroen or Penguins. That's my take on it.
@MrHerrIQ Well ... if you have driven both BMW's and Citroens for a longer period out of interest or love for the type, and are therefore happy to drive them both, why not? Only not at the same time.
I'm a soccer fan of Feyenoord (NL), Liverpool (GB) and HSV Bremen (GER). Feyenoord ofcourse being my favourite when playing against the other two. No problem.
My point: Every metaphore has it's limitations. like ' comparing apples with pears' !
@LankaDutch "Well ... if you have driven both BMW's and Citroens" No, being a member as in occupation, not having driven them both. Driving is not as dependent on loyalty as is membership of a car company. Same with nations. "Feyenoord ofcourse being my favourite when playing against the other two." Exactly! There you go, one becomes more favourable and the loyalty of the others get compromissed. "familyism = race mixing?" No. There's people that are against the existence of families.
@MrHerrIQ '..the loyalty of the others get compromissed ..'
What did i state about metaphores? In case of ' soccer' one has to choose. Holland against Sri Lanka? My wife would say: Whoever wins, by fair play, is right by me cause then I cannot loose!
In case of war? Your conscience has to decide! (f.i. There were many Irish volunteers on both sides of the American Civil War!)
Compromised? Dutch-Indonesian soldiers choose to fight for Holland against ... Indonesia.
@MrHerrIQ American whites were the ones to, in the end, abolish slavery. But the segregation and equal rights issues till the 1960's were surely more the " white" man's doing than the blacks who were not regarded as equals!
Never wrote anything to suggest ' rejoice ...... immigrants' , did I now?
Your ' theory' about interracial marriage etc. is an interesting ... ' theory' and ' might' be applicable to some, perhaps a lot of ' nowadays' minorities. Moroccans and Turks might fit in this.
Yes, that is right. Whites wanted to seperate themselves from other races, just like Japanese today want to seperate themselves from Ghanji (outsiders), etc. However, they at the same time didn't want to be cruel and slavery wasn't economically benefitial.
"Never wrote anything to suggest ' rejoice ...... immigrants' , did I now?"
You wrote about whites having their reasons for Apartheid, because of the tiny racemixing that followed.
@MrHerrIQ Their muslim background is a ' hindrance' ! (Mind you, within their religion they both proved to assimilate with different races!). Too many of the same minority of Turks, Moroccans etc., close together, decrease the chances of marrying ' outside'.
But hey, the problems because of this ' our politicians' , chosen by us (our parents etc) made it happen!
Deport them all as THE solution? Ethically/Morally unjust. Putting barriers to immigration, when possible: Yes. Extremists? Out!!!
"Too many of the same minority of Turks, Moroccans etc., close together, decrease the chances of marrying ' outside'."
Yes and that is because they seek similarity out.
That is the point. Left to themselves, people prefer the company like themselves. There are a few, nutcases here and there that are attracted to differences, it's known as Xeniphilia, I believe, but those are statistically rare.
Your comment is incoherrent, I didn't quite get the last part.
@xxCpxxDr0n3 Oh well I understand you a little but on the other hand dont. Because The first king of Italy was the Germanic Heruli leader Odoacer in 476 ad and he was appointed dux Italiae (Duke of Italy). Later on he took the title King of Italy. Then later on the In 493, Ostrogothic king Theodoric the Great defeated Odoacer, and set up a new dynasty of kings of Italy.
@xxCpxxDr0n3 Ostrogothic rule ended when Italy was reconquered by the Roman Empire in 552. This state of affairs did not last long. In 568, the Germanic Lombards came then the Germanic Franks. So you are very Germanic in Italy also :)
@BirkaViking yes, and also the region I live in, Veneto, is named after the germanic tribe that settled here, the one of the Veneti. italy is really a biiig mixture of people, you can find the blonde haired and blue eyed as well as the dark olive ones. my phisycal caratheristics suggest I descend from some celtic or germanic people (white skin, brown hair and green eyes), but my heart is in rome, its history and its people :)
@xxCpxxDr0n3 It is true that they were the best of the best and They are the cradle of civilization in Europe among other! But due to the mixing of cultures and capitalism, it seems to me that the more you get to know Rome more it smells and tastes like a whore !!!! On the other hand, the Germanic tribes are more pure and more proud of what they take how much they need not like Romans!! this is my opinion! You can hate Rome or you can Love him but Rome will always be glorious !
@DexAiArthur that's correct mate, rome had its negative sides, but I can only love whatever is linked with my past, and thinking of rome makes me feel more than proud. about what you said, the comparison with germanic tribes, I advice you to read "Germania" (or de origine et situ germanorum) by Tacitus, it explains very well what you said, that barbarians were just like the old romans, not spoiled by richness and power, I can see that you know what you're talking about my friend :)
@EagleTalon1970 Thanks that you liked the video :) The Norse people are a northerly branch of the Germanic people but the Goths migrated from the southern Sweden already in the first waves in the 100bc.
The Romans never came as far north as Scandinavia only a few observer as Cornelius Tacitus.
Man, I wish we could get movies like this here in the states. Excellent video and music.
HSofRapture1 1 month ago
i love to be frisian :D
dontNomMe 1 month ago
@Timinem100
Not quite, Dutch is derived from Frysk, English and a GermanIC language.
30secondstosnickers 2 months ago
@30secondstosnickers What are your sources for saying that? Frysk is actually recognized as a sovereign language because of its separate evolution from Dutch?
Timinem100 3 weeks ago
@Timinem100 The Frisians were settled during their "Magna Frisia" period between the coast area between France and Denmark. The entire coast area there was mostly Frisian. Frysk is an older language than Dutch, and yes, descendant from another language tree than Dutch. But since Dutch and Frysk were so closely related, Frysk influenced Dutch alot, and a few hundred yearslater the other way around.
30secondstosnickers 3 weeks ago
Excellent video. Do you know the name of the music in the beginning?
Magus36 3 months ago
@Magus36 Its Hans Zimmer and the song Do you think Iam Saxon.
And thanks that you liked the video.
Cheers from Sweden
BirkaViking 3 months ago
exellent tribute, you know how to make music go well with video...that's something very important in making videos :) bravo
CroPETROforever 5 months ago
@CroPETROforever Thanks man for your very nice words :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 5 months ago
What's this from?
teery59 5 months ago
Are the Dutch a Germanic tribe cuz i know the Frissians are.
And Dutch is a Germanic Language, but are the Dutch people a mix of tribes nowadays?
naroj10 6 months ago
@naroj10 The Dutch is probably a mix of different Germanic tribes like the Frisians and Franks.
And yes Dutch is a Germanic language.
Cheers
BirkaViking 6 months ago
@BirkaViking Yeah that's what i thought.
Thanks for the info though:P,
naroj10 6 months ago
@BirkaViking Dutch has evoluted from an original German dialect. the Germans called it 'Theodisk' (which is also the ethomology behind the word 'Dietsch', which then again is the ethomology of Dutch.)
Theodisk is (when literally translated.) 'Language of the people'.
Timinem100 3 months ago
@Timinem100
That's interesting because Theodisc(obviously using the thorn letter instead of TH) is the language spoken by English Saxons basically known as old English which is a shame.
Werian se Angletheod!
HarryBodensson 3 weeks ago
@nihilinanima götaland is now a country part of sweden my uncle is a göte :D
sweenkingandwow2 6 months ago
@nihilinanima Thanks that you liked the video and please ranke it if you liked it :)
Cheers from Sweden
BirkaViking 6 months ago
@nihilinanima So instead of writing all these tribes I wrote it short with some modern names or older names for those tribal confederation .
Cheers
BirkaViking 6 months ago
@nihilinanima But at the same time the Rök runestone that makes a historical reference to Ostrogothic king (effectively emperor of the western Roman empire) Theodoric the Great is located in the east Götaland so Iam fairly sure that the Goths was mix between these two tribes.
And well about the modern nationality the Franks was a west Germanic tribal confederation and the same goes for the Dutch and English and son on.
BirkaViking 6 months ago
@nihilinanima Well The Geats lived in now days Götaland. Götaland was diveded in to west and east Götaland back in this time. But the Gutes are not the Same tribe as the Geats. The Gutes lived at the Gotland Island.
The Goths was probably a mix of the Gutes and Geats because the only Germanic languages that are similar to the dead Gothic language in the world are the Gutes languages.
BirkaViking 6 months ago
Several names of the Germanic tribes are dead wrong: for instance, there never were Flemish and Dutch tribes.
Nowadays the Dutch germanic ancestors were mainly Frisians, Saxons and Franks. With substrates of tribes as Bataves, Caninefates and probably celtic remnants. In Belgium the Germanic tribes (mainly the Franks) subdued the celtic tribes (already mixed with romans) and mixed with them.
Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never based on 'race'!
LankaDutch 9 months ago
@LankaDutch I know very well about this but instead of writing all the tribes who were the Franks and Dutch I just wrote the now a days names. The Germanic tribes was called the Germnaic tribes because they had the same culture and and languages base and also the same writing system (Runic alphabet) before they become christans.
Like it or not but thats the truth.
BirkaViking 9 months ago
@BirkaViking No problem with that, Birka!
I'm glad you were so wise not to play the 'racial' (Aryan) card as so many people do. Germanic tribes all have integrated Baltic, Celtic, Slavic substrates which gave us so many types of bodily features as blue-grey-green-brown eyes and from light blond till very dark brown (black) hair to name a few.
BTW, Sorry I've posted my 1st reply 3 times (due to my mistake of thinking I can change the initial reply for spellings mistakes).
God's speed!
LankaDutch 9 months ago
@LankaDutch
Exactly,race is a modernism,never existed before.
StellandBlood 9 months ago
@StellandBlood
That's because most people weren't in contact or aware of other races and groups of people.
If they ever meet another people, it was a individual only meeting perhaps one or two other races.
Based on that, you cant develop a racial system.
Although 5000 years ago in India, they attempted to.
The Varna system, was originally racial based and you can find the mentioning of a racial war in the Rig Vedas.
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
@MrHerrIQ
Yes,your example is the great exception,I forgot that,my mistake.
Don´t forget the late middle ages/pre enlightenment where peoples of different macro ethnicities entered in constant contact,despite cultural frictions,and wars,there was no racial arguments,just cultural,and religious arguments.
StellandBlood 9 months ago
@StellandBlood
The great exception?
Hardly
For one thing, most people didn't meet, nor mix, which can be discovered looking at paternal and maternal haplogroup maps over the world. The middle-ages that you speak of, had quite a strong contrast between the European, white, Christian crusadors and the Islamic, non-white, invadors. They weren't in contact with other peoples as frequently, although we know that Arabs who were in contact with blacks, wrote all nasty sort of things about blacks.
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
@MrHerrIQ
The awareness of brown and white,a sort of pre racism,appeared just in XVIII century France(the most influential country in western Europe),where white skin color was considered a characteristic of a noble person,and brown characteristic of a peasant,then that theory was later politicized,conceptually expanded,and applied to the whole world, by other powers such as Britain and Germany,to justify their imperialism's.
StellandBlood 9 months ago
@StellandBlood
"The awareness of brown and white,a sort of pre racism,appeared just in XVIII century France"
Uhm, no, that is incorrect.
It appeared in Egypt, by Pharaoh, Sensuret the III, ruler of the 12th dynasty, ~ 2000 bc.
And the earliest written records, in India, in the Rig Vedas (as mentioned) which are about 5000 years old, mentioning a racial war between flat nosed, dark skinned Dravidians and light skinned, Aryans.
You might also want to google Khoisan and the words Zhu, Oma, a.
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
Several names of the Germanic tribes are dead wrong: for instance, there never were Flemish and Dutch tribes.
Nowadays the Dutch germanic ancestors were mainly Frisians, Saxons and Franks. With substrates of tribes as Bataves, Caninefates and probably celtic remnants. In Belgium the Germanic tribes (mainly the Franks) subdued the celtic tribes (already mixed with romans) and mixed with them.
Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never 'racially' based on!
LankaDutch 9 months ago
Several names og the Germanic tribes are dead wrong: for instance, there never were Flemish and Dutch tribes.
Nowadays the Dutch germanic ancestors were mainly Frisians, Saxons and Franks. With substrates of tribes as Bataves, Caninefates and probably celtic remnants. In Belgium the Germanic tribes (mainly the Franks) subdued the celtic tribes (already mixed with romans) and mixed with them.
Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never 'racially' based on!
LankaDutch 9 months ago
@LankaDutch
"Both germanic and celtic tribes were a mixture of all available tribes and never 'racially' based on!"
That's because they aren't different races.
They share the same phenotype and language is highly mutable.
Notice how quickly whites Europeans from different nationalities in America assimilated while how, other races still haven't assimilated with eachother. That applied to the tribes of old as well.
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Thanks for your comment. But ...
Can you elaborate on the part starting with 'Notice ..... and ending with as well'?
LankaDutch 9 months ago
In America there are racial groups, in which the different groups of Europe very easilly assimilated and became "one" if you will. That is because they look very much like eachother. If a Russian person entered America, his descendents usually learnt perfect english and all of a sudden you couldn't tell his children from a Germans or a Swedes. This is not the case with NativeAmericans or Blacks, who are seperate themselves from Whites and eachother, etc
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
Take Bosnians in Sweden as another example.
Today you can only tell who is a Swede and who is a Bosnian based on their lastname.
This is not the case with Blacks or Arabs living in Sweden.
The reason for this is because we look very similar to other Europeans, whilst Europeans look very different to other races. That is why assimilation between ancient tribes isn't a great, surprise of "revelation".
It's completelly different from the modern attempt to assimilate other races who look different.
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Native Americans, when not put away in 'Reservations' are even known to have assimilated a lot. So much, that some of them (choose to) hardly be aware of it.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
That's just empty claims, until you provide some reference point.
Because it runs contrary to these facts, The reservations kick out non-natives.
And Whites who adopt native children must, for psychological health reasons, constantly re-visit the reservation sites. Most natives didn't disappear through mixing, but through disease and warfare.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ U.S. Census throughout and an ever increasing of genealogical interest prove my ' empty claims' .
How about your's? ' Constantly revisiting ........' ?
Agreed that disease and warfare (don't forget the alcohol!) were brought upon them by mostly whites?!
Warfare and alcohol delibirately!
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
"U.S. Census throughout and an ever increasing of genealogical interest prove my ' empty claims' ."
You cant just say it. You must provide some reference like I did.
I wrote keywords to google for like *reservation* *kick-out* *non-natives*.
"Warfare and alcohol delibirately!"
Yes because that's racism.
Likewise when the Vikings came to America, the Natives killed and chased away the Vikings.
That's human nature.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Don't know about the Bosnians and their position in Sweden. Probably, if they're not fanatic Muslims (most of them never were) it helps them to be more integrated/assimilated.
Blacks from Africa and Muslims of whatever colour who have immigrated recently are a different cup of tea!
I don't have all the answers to the origin(s) and solution(s) to let them integrate/assimilate like Bosnians in Sweden, Surinamese in holland etc.
But ' hateful' warmongering extremists? Back to wherever!
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Yes, but what made them easy to integrate was that they looked Swedish and thus no one knew about it, untill they spoke with an accent, etc. A few generations down the road and they were indistingeoushable from Swedes, unlike Blacks and Arabs. I dont think they can integrate/assimilate like Bosnians in Europe, for the same reason Blacks in America haven't assimilated unlike Russians and Germans.
Tribalism and race consciousness is human nature.
Denying it is dangerous.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ' ..Tribalism and race consciousness is human nature. Denying it is dangerous' ...
So is ' nurturing' the race consiousness likewise dangerous.
If my biblical God wanted all tribes / races to prevent from mixing He could have created ' infertility' as a result of trying.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Oh absolutely.
Tribalism and race consciousness is dangerous to deny, because when screaming things like "No to racism", you are assuming it can be made to go away when it cannot and building society on such a false notion is dangerous for all members involved. Likewise, it's dangerous to forment hatred and abuse this inherited tribalism. If your God would have wanted us all to be one, then why has he created different peoples, why didn't he create us as one to begin with?
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ
Likewise, why did he scatter humanity all over the world in the Tower of Babyl and give them different languages? There's quotes in the bible speaking against racial mixing. I mention them in my "Racism is Natural" series in the section dealing with (racism in mans ancient history).
Im not a Christian so I really couldn't care less, what the bible says, but I know that there's quotes and storys that can be interpreted as quite racist.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ I'm aware of ' so-called' commandments not to ' mix' from the Bible. Seems to me a theological debate matter about time, place, peoples, tribes, keeping your religion stainless+circumstances. Not a definite command not to mix. The Tower of Babylon story had nothing to do with mixing of races as such. See a good Bible + studies on the web about those issues.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
It had to do about scattering people comming together.
It's good that you are aware that the Bible speak out against mixing, but it's strange that you pick and choose what you want to be the words of God and not. That's not really honest, although Im aware the bible contradict itself, as does most religeous books, that is a major flaw with religeous books. People can read into it exactly what they like and dont like.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Coming together to ' conspire' against God! To think they can be as powerful as Him. It was aimed at Himself! Not because of the race mixing without this aim!
Anyway even most of the Afrikaner Boers in South Africa acknowledge this nowadays and condemn their previous apartheid as against the ' whole biblical context' .
No doubt that every religion has ' pick and choose' problems. But so-called Biblical contradictions can be placed and rebuked. Whatever one chooses to believe.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
That's just one out of several stories in the bible.
And to conspire against god, is to come together, which works against his will, thus he scattered them, because that was his will.
"most of the Afrikaner Boers in South Africa"
They have to. They fear Uhuru.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Well Adam and Eve were not ' blondes' to start with. DNA-science has found out that there only are ONE handfull of ' original mothers' (Urmutter in German) for Europeans of different varieties. Seems to me a nice theory to be backed up by even ' Noah's Ark'!
I'm no exact scientist, but seems to me ' genes' prove a lot of DNA unused, but ALREADY present to come up according to natural circomstances and therefore rather ADAPTATION than EVOLUTION!
Creationism+evolution: both faiths!
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
"rather ADAPTATION than EVOLUTION"
Adaption is evolution.
It's by a group isolating itself from others and adapting to environment that the formation of new races and species come about.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ The formation of new (mixed) races and species is
1. With DNA already present since creation (blue or brown eyes DNA f.i. ? Both are present in ALL races, be it not both equally dominant, because of f.e. natural circumstances).
2. New races and species need some kind of ' intelligence' to create them. not just ' chance times time' .
The universe started from a substance (gas) that suddenly exploded by chance. The Big Bang? Where did it start from? Chance by mathematical precision?
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Im sorry, that's creationist bs, but I will let creationist incorrect assumption, slide, because it is non-threatening to the evolutionary theory. I dont know where it all started from. No one knows. But science works with what we know. And so do I.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ 'Groups of Europe easily assimilated ...?' Depends how you look upon it. Throughout it seems that places and periods in the US where none of the Europeans from diff. countries were really dominated in numbers 'superficial' assimilation went faster than in places and periods where large numbers of immigrants from one country (or 'cultural, linguistically similar' countries) came in and formed Little Italies, Germantowns, etc.
Martin Van Buren (1782 – 1862), his Dutch ancestors
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Well, you're making the argument for me, not against me.
Thanks for the information!
I appreciate it.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ... Dutch ancestors who came to the now US already in 1632(!) hardly or never intermarrying with 'English' speakers, became the first US born president with his 'home language' still being Dutch!
The Dutch, Germans, Italians, Polish, etc., etc. even Russians had their ' assimilation' depending on their numbers and the people's density of cities, regions etc. But I agree, as Dutch-Americans, Italo-Americans etc. they felt themselves AMERICANS and gradually only kept interest ....
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ... kept interest in the ' old' country for a ' distant' belonging to a once shared language, culture etc.
Coloured / Black people integrating? In Holland more than a million have ' some' Indonesian bloodlines. They feel a 100% Dutch (the young gener. not speaking Indonesian; but some cultural inheritance as food still alive). Suriname blacks/coloureds (many already with mixed ancestors, incl. Dutch, German, Jewish and British) are known to have interracial relationships etc. Their
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
This is flat out wrong according to the information I have comed across, which is more reliable.
Look up the polls and documentaries I have in my Racism is Natural, video-series.
Look up the section dealing with (Ethnic-self-segregation) for more information.
As for interracial relationships, that is covered in another section dealing with interracial marriage, adoptions, dating, etc. Again incorrect.
Feel free to take a look at the studies and data.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Where does the information about specifically Surinamese and Dutch-Indonesians I wrote factually go wrong? Surely NONE 'specific' study whatsoever about these groups can state the opposite. And as a teacher I witness(ed) this on a day to day basis.
I'm interested though to see what your vids come up with.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Watch the videos.
They deal with how poorly racial groups in different countries of the world, assimilate.
It covers, Sweden, it covers Britain and it covers America and I believe France, to show that this is a global phenomenon and not a geographically or time-wise, specific, "exceptionall" case, but rather, the growing norm. Yes, please watch them, that particular section is about 1 hour long.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
Well, it cant go factually right, either since it is an individualist, subjective interpretation of a situation, which might be tainted with personal biases. So in a factuall discussion, such a statement is useless, because it is unverifiable, but since in areas where we have meassured this, the result has been the opposite, and there's a market of disproving this and they haven't harnished this exception of yours, then it's very likelly, it is incorrect.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Several polls and studies, mainly in Dutch, about f.i. Dutch-Indonesians and their ' assimilation' have been undertaken over the years. In Dutch universities they have several ' colonial related studies' etc. Take my word on that. 400 years of Dutch colonialism have made us be (more) ' sensible' of studying ALL the aspects of those, for us Dutch, important pages in history.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Well, if they exist, provide them.
As a researchers, it's important I get a hold of them.
I wont take your word on that, that is appealing to authority and would be illogical.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Write to universities in Holland (Leiden, Delft, Amsterdam etc.) and they can provide you with the answers you desperately want to ' research' as I'm sure you did with the Racism is Natural series on videos.
Perhaps our scholars on colonialism, ethinicity, anthropology etc. can give you the websites with English or German language info about doctoral studies etc.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
You still haven't provided them.
I cant find anything on Google.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ 1. Try "ethnic studies holland" for on google for starters and you might find interesting links to what I was referring to.
2. Most unis in Holland provide batchelor's and master's degrees studies in the above fields (check google). I'm sure they came/come up with doctoral scriptions (mostly in Dutch?) about assimilation/integration etc. into our dutch society thru the ages.
3. The frequently Dutch language magazine articles about the pros and cons of a multi-culti society I ...
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Pay attention to what Birka asked for!
He asked of us to not discuss this matter on his video.
I will out of my respect of him and his wished, adhere to his wishes.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ... overrun by 'hordes of economical asylum seekers'etc.
Thanks for this reply about Birka.
All the best from now on!
Proud to be Dutch!
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ... cannot provide for you. I'm sure that the discussion they deal with in their studies provides the logical outcome that previous studies on these matters remain inconclusive (As for a lot of 'human studies' scientists tend to MAKE there theses stick to their own preset minds: As a schoolteacher with 33 years of experience I read a lot of articles by so-called experts on education + integration etc. and found them to be inconclusive myself).
4. Be sure I'm aware of 'ethnic islands'
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ without trying to integrate let alone assimilate (Muslim minorities, Asians and Africans without real colonoal or other ties with the West, etc.). But, indeed thru study, reading and long teacher's experience I can state, that the before-mentioned ethnic groups in Holland f.i., with a 350 years of 'shared' (colonial) history etc., are 'positively' integrated even getting assimilated to be like 'ordinary' Dutch.
5. But I agree with anyone who wants his European country not to be ...
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
These are really low cheapshots on your part.
Since you know I have a greater incentive to not get blocked by BirkaViking, than you have,
you can comment because you dont care about the outcome and consequences while I who doI cannot reply.
That's not very respectfull of you neither to BirkaViking, nor me.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ... their ' assimilation' is almost complete, I think: Proud to be of African (slave) background and now equally proud of being a Dutchman!
What it boils down to is: How far and how long does it take to label yourselves and others to be ' integrated'?
In the US 6.7% in 2010 are interracial Americans. Not bad if you realize it took till 1967 to make ' interracial marriage' to be accepted by the US Supreme Court! Blacks + espec. the whites had their reasons for ' American Apartheid' !
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
So you're saying it is in Whites interest to have the American Apartheid, and now you rejoice because they no longer are able to protect themselves against invader.. eh, I mean immigrants?
Well, there's another theory there, which also can bee seen in my "Racism is Natural" series, in section (interracial Marriage, Dating), that if the members of a minority race increase, then the number of interracial couples decrease, suggesting they mixed due to a lack of their own members.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
"I think: Proud to be of African (slave) background and now equally proud of being a Dutchman!"
Then you're obviously seperating your identity from the Dutch, who do not share an African (slave) identity with you. You're aware of that difference and you harnish it. That's not assimilation. That's merely, integration.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ' Then ... with you' . Why do you think like that? Don't know the word ' harnish' too.
Anyway, for me the bottom line is also ' I prefer assimilation to integration' . Intermarriage between ' ex-colonial' people and Dutch to me proves this litterally as long as our ' main culture' remains Dutch.
My ancestors are mainly Dutch (incl. Flemish) and German and traced back till the 1st half of the 16th C.
My wife has North-and South-Indian (aryan+dravidian) and prob. Portuguese+Jewish ...
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
"I prefer assimilation to integration"
As do I. I think it's easier with population that look like eachother though. It's harder for a Swede to assimilate into SaudiaArabia than it is for an Iraqi.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
I myself descend from Charlemagne, French Kings, English Kings, Scottish Kings, Scandinavian Kings and Saint Birgitta, on my fathers side. On my mothers side, Im from Swedish farmers.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ WOW! What a bloodline!
Must be difficult to ' prove' the " royal" lines though.
Just as it is for me to ' prove' that before the 16th C. my ancestors were mainly Frisians, Franks, Saxons and Celts! (On the Goeree-Overflakkee island where my father's ancestors came from many people also claim to be of Charlenagne's blood. Surname: Aleman [Aah le mann]).
Slavic people like Bosnians can mostly still be recognizable from Western/Northern Europeans is my expertise.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
No, it's actually pretty easy to prove it.
You can pay geneologists to do this for you.
I am lucky, because I got it for free. My aunt's neighbour is a retired geneologist with a passion for her former occupation. Noble bloodlines recorded their pedigree/familytree much earlier and is better preserved. I dont think Slavic people can be distinguished from Northern Europeans. But this is merely yours and my own, subjective opinion and not fact. If they can, it's only slightly.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ To THIS i totally agree with you. Mind the non-erasable muslim faith and culture as more of a hindrance than race though.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Yes, religion and culture emphasizes ingroup outgroup relations.
But that is all they do, emphasize.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ ... Jewish blood. She's aware of her 'great' Sinhalese, Tamil etc. background from Sri Lanka a.s.o. Being proud of it. But over the time has been integrated and now assimilated and proud to be Dutch!!!
Just as the abt. 20% of Americans who are proud to be of ' irish' stock!
My son, a ' double blood', is a 100% DUTCH!
If the Dutch with German, Huguenot, Indonesian etc (background/race; there isn't even a real white race!)bloodlines can be a 100% Dutch ... so can he! No to RACISM!!
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
I disagree.
You can only assimilate if you are indistingeoushable.
If I can look at a person and see they're from somewhere else, then the implicit brain recognize this difference and has social effects according to liberal sociologists.
You cant be proud to be a member of a BMW company or a member of Colorado Avalanche & at the same time be proud of being a member of Citroen or Penguins. That's my take on it.
The rest of your comment was incoherrent again.
No to Familyism... meh..
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Well ... if you have driven both BMW's and Citroens for a longer period out of interest or love for the type, and are therefore happy to drive them both, why not? Only not at the same time.
I'm a soccer fan of Feyenoord (NL), Liverpool (GB) and HSV Bremen (GER). Feyenoord ofcourse being my favourite when playing against the other two. No problem.
My point: Every metaphore has it's limitations. like ' comparing apples with pears' !
Coherent enough like this?
familyism = race mixing?
LankaDutch 8 months ago
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ '..the loyalty of the others get compromissed ..'
What did i state about metaphores? In case of ' soccer' one has to choose. Holland against Sri Lanka? My wife would say: Whoever wins, by fair play, is right by me cause then I cannot loose!
In case of war? Your conscience has to decide! (f.i. There were many Irish volunteers on both sides of the American Civil War!)
Compromised? Dutch-Indonesian soldiers choose to fight for Holland against ... Indonesia.
Don't understand the rest
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
"What did i state about metaphores?"
So?
"In case of ' soccer' one has to choose."
Yes and in times of war and perhaps more specifically, civil-war, which might be along ethnic lines, one has to choose.
"Compromised? Dutch-Indonesian soldiers choose to fight for Holland against ... Indonesia."
Did all of them? If that is so, then that is admireable but a great exception in human history and I see no reason why we would expect it to reacurr.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Please can you both discuss the Germanic tribes in this video.
Thanks
BirkaViking 8 months ago
@BirkaViking
Certainly!
I apologize.
Great video!
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Thanks :)
BirkaViking 8 months ago
@LankaDutch Please can you both discuss the Germanic tribes in this video.
Thanks.
BirkaViking 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ American whites were the ones to, in the end, abolish slavery. But the segregation and equal rights issues till the 1960's were surely more the " white" man's doing than the blacks who were not regarded as equals!
Never wrote anything to suggest ' rejoice ...... immigrants' , did I now?
Your ' theory' about interracial marriage etc. is an interesting ... ' theory' and ' might' be applicable to some, perhaps a lot of ' nowadays' minorities. Moroccans and Turks might fit in this.
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
Yes, that is right. Whites wanted to seperate themselves from other races, just like Japanese today want to seperate themselves from Ghanji (outsiders), etc. However, they at the same time didn't want to be cruel and slavery wasn't economically benefitial.
"Never wrote anything to suggest ' rejoice ...... immigrants' , did I now?"
You wrote about whites having their reasons for Apartheid, because of the tiny racemixing that followed.
How else can one interprete it.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
@MrHerrIQ Their muslim background is a ' hindrance' ! (Mind you, within their religion they both proved to assimilate with different races!). Too many of the same minority of Turks, Moroccans etc., close together, decrease the chances of marrying ' outside'.
But hey, the problems because of this ' our politicians' , chosen by us (our parents etc) made it happen!
Deport them all as THE solution? Ethically/Morally unjust. Putting barriers to immigration, when possible: Yes. Extremists? Out!!!
LankaDutch 8 months ago
@LankaDutch
"Too many of the same minority of Turks, Moroccans etc., close together, decrease the chances of marrying ' outside'."
Yes and that is because they seek similarity out.
That is the point. Left to themselves, people prefer the company like themselves. There are a few, nutcases here and there that are attracted to differences, it's known as Xeniphilia, I believe, but those are statistically rare.
Your comment is incoherrent, I didn't quite get the last part.
MrHerrIQ 8 months ago
Many of the Barbarians look nothing like Germanics.
They look like Middle-easterners.
I wonder where this was shot.
Are they Mexican actors or Arab/Turkish actors?
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
@MrHerrIQ
Experiment to be some 50 years part of the time the Goths were in balkans and in Italy,and see yourself in the mirror afterwards.
Yes you would become a lot browner,the question is to know how much browner.
StellandBlood 9 months ago
@StellandBlood
Italians and people in the Balkans aren't that dark.
People in the balkan are usually brunettes, but they certainly dont look like Arabs or Polynesians.
Heck, many Italians, especially northern Italiens are blond haired and blue eyed.
MrHerrIQ 9 months ago
@DasTollMann Its from some documentarys.
Well yes I agree with you that the germanic tribes should be much more blondies but it isent much I can do about it :)
Thanks that you liked the tribute :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 9 months ago
@Steini224 Yes thats correct :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 9 months ago
A divine creation! A excelent tribute for Germanic Peoples!
ImperialGuard9001 9 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001 Thanks man :)
BirkaViking 9 months ago
@Steini224 Germanicfolc was banned?! Fucking jewtube...
ImperialGuard9001 9 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001 Well he is back but has another name :)
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BirkaViking 9 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001
ROFLROFLROFL Awesome i should remember that joke :XD
HardcoreEwald 9 months ago
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CroPETROforever 10 months ago
WOW... GREAT GREAT VIDEO MY FRIEND :)
CroPETROforever 10 months ago
@CroPETROforever Thanks man :)
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BirkaViking 10 months ago
@Steini224 Thanks man that you liked the video :)
Yeah that was very bad because his channel was the best at whole youtube :(
But I think he is back :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 10 months ago
That footage looks like it's from the German channel 2 documentary on Arminius the Cherusci from a couple of weeks ago.
DrMabuse2006 10 months ago
Краљ Гота Аларик => Alarik => Ала рик => Ala rik
trnjana 11 months ago
sooo disappointed to see that as an italian, but, overall, nice job mate ;)
xxCpxxDr0n3 11 months ago
@xxCpxxDr0n3 Oh well I understand you a little but on the other hand dont. Because The first king of Italy was the Germanic Heruli leader Odoacer in 476 ad and he was appointed dux Italiae (Duke of Italy). Later on he took the title King of Italy. Then later on the In 493, Ostrogothic king Theodoric the Great defeated Odoacer, and set up a new dynasty of kings of Italy.
BirkaViking 11 months ago
@xxCpxxDr0n3 Ostrogothic rule ended when Italy was reconquered by the Roman Empire in 552. This state of affairs did not last long. In 568, the Germanic Lombards came then the Germanic Franks. So you are very Germanic in Italy also :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago
@BirkaViking yes, and also the region I live in, Veneto, is named after the germanic tribe that settled here, the one of the Veneti. italy is really a biiig mixture of people, you can find the blonde haired and blue eyed as well as the dark olive ones. my phisycal caratheristics suggest I descend from some celtic or germanic people (white skin, brown hair and green eyes), but my heart is in rome, its history and its people :)
xxCpxxDr0n3 11 months ago
@xxCpxxDr0n3 Yeah I understand and actually there the Germanic people settled down they always melted in well with the cultures they came to.
BirkaViking 11 months ago
@xxCpxxDr0n3 It is true that they were the best of the best and They are the cradle of civilization in Europe among other! But due to the mixing of cultures and capitalism, it seems to me that the more you get to know Rome more it smells and tastes like a whore !!!! On the other hand, the Germanic tribes are more pure and more proud of what they take how much they need not like Romans!! this is my opinion! You can hate Rome or you can Love him but Rome will always be glorious !
DexAiArthur 10 months ago
@DexAiArthur that's correct mate, rome had its negative sides, but I can only love whatever is linked with my past, and thinking of rome makes me feel more than proud. about what you said, the comparison with germanic tribes, I advice you to read "Germania" (or de origine et situ germanorum) by Tacitus, it explains very well what you said, that barbarians were just like the old romans, not spoiled by richness and power, I can see that you know what you're talking about my friend :)
xxCpxxDr0n3 10 months ago
Damn! great job! you are very good making videos =)
TheErikThorvaldsson 11 months ago
@TheErikThorvaldsson Thanks man that you liked the video :) Please rate it if you like it also :)
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BirkaViking 11 months ago
@BirkaViking rated mate!
TheErikThorvaldsson 11 months ago
@TheErikThorvaldsson Thanks mate :)
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BirkaViking 11 months ago
Very nice video, my friend :-)
TheVinlandViking 11 months ago
@TheVinlandViking Thanks man :)
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BirkaViking 11 months ago
Men Emil du glömde ''Gutes'' :)
Arodon3x0 11 months ago
@Arodon3x0 Hehe jo sant :) Det är fixat nu iaf men jag har inte tagit med alla Germanska stammar.
Sen är det lite difust hur man ska räkna Goterna då dessa förmodligen är en blanding mellan Götar och Gutar.
Skål
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Awesome video!
Uthier1 11 months ago
@Uthier1 Thanks man that you liked the video :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago
@SpiralGalaxy1 Thanks man :)
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!! :D Skål!!
KirunaKlasse 11 months ago
Nice work once again. Is this the video that Youtube took down last week? The Hans Zimmer sound track is spot on.
Hej då,
Steve
steverid 11 months ago
@steverid Thanks that you liked it :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Thank you for sharing my friend. Excellent choice.
shadelcassian66 11 months ago
@shadelcassian66 Thanks that you liked it :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Suebi and Goths my favorites!!!
StellandBlood 11 months ago
Awesome video ! Good job.
ssnakessnake2 11 months ago
@ssnakessnake2 Thanks :)
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Great video and Great Music! Awesome!
Skål!
TheKvicken 11 months ago
@TheKvicken Man tackar och skål på dig :)
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Good work, quality video, awesome to watch as always :)
hsmissviking 11 months ago
@hsmissviking Thanks that you like it :)
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Waes Hael Birka ty for the vid, another one par excellence!
beowulfsword08 11 months ago
@beowulfsword08 Thanks :)
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Cool video, from what movie is this?
EasternGateGuardian 11 months ago
@EasternGateGuardian Thanks its from diffrent documentarys.
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Hail our great famely!
Jævli bra vid Birk =)
Nortrix87 11 months ago
@Nortrix87 Tack :)
Skål
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Häftig video! Nice!
joonte1010 11 months ago
@joonte1010 Man tackar :)
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Excelent! I like this video,it shows the bravery of the norse people who stood up against rome and its elite soldiers.
''Rome is at your mercy''
Great work BirkaViking.I would be honoured to fight by your side...
Cheers my friend.
EagleTalon1970 11 months ago
@EagleTalon1970 Thanks that you liked the video :) The Norse people are a northerly branch of the Germanic people but the Goths migrated from the southern Sweden already in the first waves in the 100bc.
The Romans never came as far north as Scandinavia only a few observer as Cornelius Tacitus.
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago
Hi ya friend,i tried to watch this video and it wont play.It just keeps loading and no play.
Hope to see it,expand my knowledge of these great tribes.
Its the tribute of the Germanic tribes,that dont work.Or your latest video.
Cheers,and thanks my friend.
EagleTalon1970 11 months ago
@EagleTalon1970 Hi there try again it should work :)
Cheers
BirkaViking 11 months ago