The fundamental problem with your question is it's own grammar. Your question is essentially nonsensical because it presumes that calculations are physical objects. The laws of logic are predicated on Tautology, which itself tells us nothing about the world whatsoever. The laws of logic are not "True" as such, but rather, they are the system by which we calculate what IS"True". They are the desciption of a calculation process, which tells us how to balance an equation. Your question is invalid
You don't need to account for anything as an atheist. The Laws of Logic are META physical, but not SUPERNATURAL...Christian worldview=failure on this video.
@confluential Correction, you CAN'T account for anything as an "atheist". He did not say logic is supernatural. He stated that God was supernatural. The laws of logic are immaterial.
@Dude, the laws of logic are METAPHYSICAL . You even stating anything about a god is superfluous. As an atheist I don't NEED to account for why the laws of logic exist. They have always existed, and even any superfluous god you bring up MUST follow the laws of logic lest your god be contradictory. As an atheist I only owe deference to what's real.
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
The "if-then conditional" does not always appear in traditional "if-then" form, but in the case of Mat 19:17 the hypothesis has been specifically identified.
IF thou wilt enter into life (P), (THEN) keep the commandments (Q).
P -> Q
If Paul is being "contrary" in Rom 3:28 and Gal 3:11, then LOGICALLY CONCLUDE the truth of the Antecedent (P) without Affirming the Consequent (Q)...
You must learn the ways of the Logos if you're to come with me to Alderaan.
I would say that the laws of logic are universal, insofaras the laws of logic reflect existence, and exstence is certainly universal.
Again, concerning "The law of noncontradiction" and taking you to a 'place' where it doesn't apply, it's quite simple, in your mind, Schroedinger's Cat. The law..does...not..apply.
So you see, the atheist has NO problem accounting for laws of logic, we have no problem explai the materilsti(which is not necessarily atheist) worldview whatsoever. :)
As for not being able to "touch" a law ofr logic, you're completely incorrect. Let's take the law of Identity for example. My car is parked in the garage. According to the law of identity, my care cannot be 'not' parked inthe garage. I can see and touch my car adhering to this law of logic. It's easy.
Laws of logic are changing, as soon as we observe an instance that they don't work. Unless of course you've never heard of Schroedinger's cat.
As a christian, you cannot account for the laws of logic, because all you're doing is accounting for logic with something that's unaccounted for.
TAG is such a silly argument.
Logic is simply a reflection of reality. We, conscious beings observe that reality behaves a certain way. We decided to label the ways it works with the label of 'laws of logic'. They are material in that they reflect a material existence, and immaterial in that we concieve of them.
Jesus Is the WORD of God...it is greek for "Logos"...which is translated into LOGIC.
The Bible teaches that Jesus is the very Logic and wisdom of God. If man has logic...then God who is spirit and infinite, has an even GREATER logic, which has created the Earth in the beginning.
When God raised up his Son through his spirit. He came as the very Logic and spiritual reason of God.
Thats why Jesus was rejected and killed. He was perfect in LOVE, and cleaned our sins for us if we believe.
@jordan7787 it's not convenient at all, making a video about the worst answer is just a waste of everyone's time and doesn't clear anything up. there are likely several people who answered the question better and their responses are ignored, it's basically a straw man argument that's backed up by a fringe opinion. Logic is an abstract concept, it isn't composed of matter and is therefore immaterial.
@jordan7787 it's not convenient at all, making a video about the worst answer is just a waste of everyone's time and doesn't clear anything up. there are likely several people who answered the question better and their responses are ignored, it's basically a straw man argument that's backed up by a fringe opinion. Logic is an abstract concept, it isn't composed of matter and is therefore immaterial.
@jordan7787 As for the second question, logic has to be unchanging, otherwise it would be useless in comparing or contrasting different situations or choices, it would be like using a measuring tape that was constantly changing length.
First of all, I'm not an atheist. And second of all, are you so incompetent that you think everything that is material is purely physical (touchable, eatable, weighable)? Atheists mean that the human mind is material, that the thoughts (the laws of logic are mental constructions) and emotions of a mind is created by reactions within the brain.
you sent me a link to you channel a while ago and this is the first time I came by to check it out. I'm glad I did. I will come back and watch more videos later. I have another channel showing off my motion graphic skills. I am in the middle of project right now however in the future if your interested I would be happy to make you an animated intro for your videos. Keep up the good WK
This video makes claims that it can't back up. Like "God is immaterial", "God is spirit". Provide evidence for both of those qualities being part of God's nature from an un biased source, IE not the Bible. Can't do it? Then don't assert it.
@adam3251 How about medical journals proving the usefulness of prayer?
Prayer to a non-physical being in Jesus name is proven scientifically to work! However it failed to work when done in the Catholic repetitive prayer way. So the scientific data was confirmed independently and was also proven to be falsifiable ..when no other type of prayers to any other deity showed any efficiency.
@MajesticCyru Please provide me the citation for these medical journals so that I may read them for myself. I already know that you will be unable to do so. How about reading the Harvard study which directly contradicts your claims. I will provide a link. Before you repeat what your pastor has told you, you may want to check out information for yourself. w w w(dot)nytimes(dot)com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
@adam3251 :) [I already know that you will be unable to do so]
1) i mentioned the Harvard study on my 1st post "repetitive prayer"
2) i already listed 3 links 2 journals plus a Christian website 4 more.
3) Prayer if done wrong, is falsifiable
(@ the bottom of my channel in the Answers 4 Atheist Section)
Sorry Adam but your "judgment" could not b more wrong about me. i don't have a pastor as i don't subscribe 2 ANY religion. I research my topics well using discernment & always test 4 truth. :)
@MajesticCyru I don't know where you mentioned the Harvard study nor what your thoughts on it are, but for everyone that you post up claiming to validate prayer I can find one that doesn't so you can hardly say that the matter is settled. At best they jury is still out. You would think that God would be able to make this a slam dunk. It apparently isn't able to do so. w w w . mayoclinicproceedings . com/content/76/12/1192
You need to get out of your USA bubble, with all that brain-washing required to keep you thinking you still live in a republic. Don't tell me you still trust Fox News, the CFR, Mr. Rockefeller, JP Morgan & the Vatican's Rothschild family with your future?
@adam3251 Talk about ignorant... the fact you have 2 ask me about the role these families play in your life proves my point about you living in a Hypocrisy. You probably still think the Federal Reserve is publicly owned, when it's the above mentioned families that have since the 1800's run your country & the whole world into war after war. How does having 2 choices to vote for the same government make you feel?
@MajesticCyru No, I understand the realities of the world we live in. Trust me I am properly prepared. I have properly folded my tin foil so that it will protect me from the Rothschilds, Morgans, Government, etc from stealing my thoughts. I see you have done the same. Hopefully we can still keep spreading the truth so the Reptilians won't get everyone.
"Is logic changing or unchanging, it's both" I don't think this guy understands logic at all. I mean, that very statement is illogical. I mean... I can KINDA buy the 'material and immaterial' for reasons too complicated to get into, but even that is pushing it.
Other than this guy your responding to, however, your making the TAG argument. And it's just as looney as believing something can be unchanging and changing.
Chad, I have watched some of your videos and I would like to ask you a sincere question regarding God and the universe. Like you, I am on a spiritual path towards understanding, though I believe there is more to the story than what the message of religion reveals alone. 500 yrs ago people believed the earth was flat. Today, Billy Meier is the best documented UFO contactee in history, claiming spiritual teachings and obtained physical evidence by ETs. Your thoughts? please no jokes or insults
Immaterial-ism isn't "based" on Christianity. Language is immaterial and therefore most everything is immaterial.
To give something a description requires an ultimate form of something, something Plato went into.
Beauty is unquantifiable, we think some things are more beautiful than others yet there is no ultimate form of beauty, unless you imagine that to be God.
But also, we have chair characteristics. We look at something and think, "yes that is a chair."
@xtelevisionset But surely, there must be an ultimate form of chairness?
Plato imagined a universe which takes a great deal of perception change to realize this world of ultimate forms of material objects which can be both an immaterial world and a material world because everything that exists only exists in the mind, we perceive the universe in a way that makes sense to the mind.
But in the end. What makes Christianity more right than Plato's world of Forms?
The laws of logic are simply human recognition of the pattern consistency of what we percieve, concieve, or observe. With this axiomatic intellectual universality between human minds we could not communicate with each other, nor understand ANYTHING.
Without these laws of logic YOU couldn't describe "God" to yourself or anyone else, even as a concept or fantasy.
God is contingent on the laws of logic the same as everything else!
When you use god to account for logic saying it is his reflection, you are borowing from the real world to account for god.
And, in your position that logic is on the mind of god, can god change logic? If not, then god is subject to logic, so you didn't account for anything. "God's reflection is just what it is" & "Reality is just what it is" is there any difference? Now, if god can change the laws how does it make him different from us? You say it can't come from us cause we change our minds.
Anything that is not material is immaterial... but that doesn't tell what this immaterial thing is, that just tells one thing that it is not. So, what is this immaterial god?
I'm sitting on a chair right now.
Is that statement material or "immaterial"?
It is an abstract concept used to describe reality. It needs a mind to exist, but reality does not.
The "Laws of Logic" is a series of definitions! They're immaterial in the same way language is. It's just the definitions for a specific usage of language.
All I can say for All you non-believers, go watch the top Favorite in my favorites, "A Trip Into the Supernatural"! One of the biggest mistakes almost every believer is making today is, Not keeping the Sabbath! Commandment #4 of the 10! Watch that video I recommended above! Wake up folks!
LOL they used to have seas boiling, water turning into wine, burning bushes and people rising from the grave now all they have is tools like this guy bleeting on about logic ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ah, the old transcendental argument for the existence of god. Even if i did prove a god, which it doesn't, it doesn't prove a Christian god or a single god (could be many gods). The question of the existence of law of logic depends on your definition of existence. Anyway, its all a mental slight of hand religious whackos use to fool people into thinking they have a good argument for the existence of God.
whats your point? what does logic have to do with anything? if you are going to use logic as a premiss to the existence of god. then you have to look at the fruits of the tree of religion which in the sheep population we have seen good but the shepards liers and thiefs with fake healings and manipulation with a consant need for money to fund theur cause. I wonder how much money are you making off your youtube endevour
what would you do if you found out that Genesis was just a shorter version of the original writers (The Sumerians). What would you do if I told you we are the products of Genetic engineering by Alien intervention, created in the image of the "Gods". Is this possible?
@treasuredroperX What would u do if u found out that the truth of Genesis predated the Sumerians who added their perspective to the story. What would u do if I told u that Genesis points 2 how genetic engineering was done by fallen angles (aliens). The story after all tells about a flood to purify the animals & human race from the giants who where the sons of the fallen angels. For as the story goes with the flood and with Noah that he was spared for being pure in his generations (blood line).
@MajesticCyru It does not predate the sumerians. The Sumerian texts found in Baghdad Nippur library out date the genesis of the bible. It out dates the bible in the same way Pandora and Epimethius out dates the idea of Adam and Eve and how evil became into the world. The bible is predicated on other myths in other cultures, modified over time. Which explains the several interpretations of the bible, and how we don't know which is really the correct text.
@treasuredroperX U might want to do some homework before embarrassing yourself.
Your entitled 2 your opinion, but nothing u have said is proven & is simply a faith position when the past is not observable. So unless u can "prove" your "assertions" then your historical claims, have no credibility. Plus, the biblical texts r not predicated on myths or other cultures. U r very foolish 2 disagree with historians & archeologist, whose opinions r credible.
@MajesticCyru Your whole philosophy is based on faith, so you can do nothing but to predicate your life on the word "FAITH" which does nothing. Can I prove my claims? lol, yes I can send you a email if you like. Check your spelling. And, actually the historical records of Jesus and things alike in the bible are denied by theologians and historians because of the poor documentation of the accounts. Obviously just stories, modified over time.
@treasuredroperX [Pandora and Epimethius out dates the idea of Adam and Eve]
If your whole world view is based on dating "mythology" then it's no wonder your way out in left field. Carbon 14 dating debunks all the newest assumptions on how to date things.. making the world less then 100 000 years but still no way to know for sure since we have to project today's conditions we can observe back in time on conditions we can only speculate.
@MajesticCyru Lol, Carbon 14 is not the only dating method used in Chronology. Half life is not the only one. Methods of dating cultures are not only used by Carbon 14, but archaeological evidence at certain time periods. Carbon 14 is PERFECTLY reliable. I believe your creationist friends will throw out lies about how it's inaccurate because a snail dated longer then it should have. To bad it doesn't work on Sea Creatures that have been submerged in Sodium Chloride for long periods of time.
@treasuredroperX :) snails? ...well your welcome to your opinion.
[Carbon 14 is not the only dating method used in Chronology]
Yes I'm aware of how science has had 2 come up with new dating methods faster then we can debunk them. In the end ..we can disprove most methods with Carbon 14 dating apply 2 almost anything, ..but we still have 2 assume the past condition r the same as we c today. Their is no perfect dating methodology ..hence my "mythology" joke. Glad 2 c u have a sense of humor :)
logic is a concept which is used to understand the world, with this said I would like to say logic is material to the extend that it really exists, what we call logic isn't bound to eternal rules as you will learn as you dig deeper into human history.
the Laws of logic are not really laws of reality they are rules created by man to make the pursued of knowledge more factual and less guesswork, the existence of these laws is in our books and minds so they are, like I said, material.
The word out on the streets is that you have blocked "actionjackson864" from commenting on your vids. I think that a lot of people would like to hear what he has to say including myself, and you also could learn somethings from that. I wonder how many others have you blocked? Trying to isolate yourself from intelligent thinkers who oppose your views does not help your image.
@93ckh Good question... I believe he does not perceive me to be a viable threat.. probably for good reason....
He does seem like a good well meaning fellow tho... He is very intelligent. I will give him that, too bad his beliefs come from nothing more than the imaginations and fabrications of men living more than 2000 years ago....What a waste of a good intelligent mind....
I think b/c he believes in God makes him intellient. I don't think you have watched any of his street preaching.. If you have you would think twice about what YOU believe in.
@93ckh If you are suggesting a cause and effect relationship between this man's intelligence and his belief in god, then you are also suggesting that atheists are not intelligent. Shame on you.
hhmmm... that all would depend on how you define intelligence. Maybe the word I meant to say was wise. But I think intelligent is fine. I don't really understand why atheists believe in what they do (because at the end of the day it IS a belief) but hey, we all live our lives with some faith. It’s all good. ;)
@93ckh No, actually, it doesn't depend on how you define intelligence or any other word you want to replace that with in the sentence. It's simple logic, really (Key word in the sentence: LOGIC). A sentence along the lines of "he is A because B " logically results in the same statement as "had he not been B, then A would not have happened." With this in mind, reread my reply to your statement and things should be clear why I said what I said. Oh, and you're welcome about the lesson in logic 101.
God is always evolving... God speaks to humans today....God is here right now. Christianity is a fraud since you're not supposed to worship "Jesus". "Jesus" wasn't his real name it's Sananda Esu Immanuel. Keep sharing what you're doing and don't resist getting your God updates. ;) Peace, Dieter
You are right in crashing boonies input, for he is wrong all the way. But that doesn't make the laws of logic somehow connected to a god.
As i commented on the first video, all things are either material or immaterial. A creator god would be an exampe for a thing that is both (outside the material world, but still an entity that can interact with it), so I cannot agree that the laws of logic only make sense in a christian world view. Quite the opposite actually.
i think you justified logic through some verse - aristotle invented the laws of logic - not the bible. aristotle also postiulated that an anvil would fall faster than an apple - so they laws of logic were not enough without observation - which led to the scientific method. the flaw in the logic of anvil /apple argument - was in the -premise- it was logical but the premise was false - logical laws dont change - accept rarely when a new one is proved. theyre immaterial - so is the number 11
We have proof that Jesus walked on this earth, that is enough proof that the Bible is TRUE, but people don't want to know the TRUTH, because it is easier for them to live in SIN then it is to change their life. People that don't want to know the TRUTH try and lead others away from the TRUTH, the BLIND leading the BLIND.. Look up this video for proof and it's not the Bible proving the Bible--Did Jesus Exist? 1 of 4 , by user Knowwheretorun1984 or look on my channel it is the Featured video.
If you are truly a Christian, you are displaying no logic at all. Go take a course in logic, then try this again. But please leave religion out of it, it is not relative.
Logic is immaterial in the same way that mathematics are immaterial. They exist in the abstract. There is a difference between "immaterial" and "supernatural." Both have practical use in the natural world even if they aren't composed of matter. I inferred from your previous video that you were essentially trying to bait a particular sort of response that you could then paint into a corner. I will try to find time to post a video response to this.
There was definitely a time where you could have a 5 $ bill in your wallet, and not in your wallet at the same time. That was the time that the concept of a wallet was unknown, or the concept of a 5 $ bill, for that matter.
@JesusforLife2 Logic is not very clear cut. Rationalresponder seems very confused about this. He constructs premises as he pleases, and his arguments are basically nothing but strawmans.
@JesusforLife2 the 5$ example was not supposed to be clear-cut. It was supposed to be confusing, and to be a straw-man argument from my side. I knew what RR meant. But he knew, or should have known that his 5$ bill example did not reflect what Booney meant. This is a text book example of a Straw-man Argument.
@JesusforLife2 There are a lot of ways to logically see things. It varies from person to person. It is claimed that God is unchangeable, but then he becomes angry. And then he engages in discussions and changes his mind. How is this unchangeable? It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe it makes sense to others. Maybe the concept of logic is not so black and white.
"Rationalresponder seems very confused about this. He constructs premises as he pleases, and his arguments are basically nothing but strawmans." - Any evidence of this?
Logic is material because , it is the interaction of material braincells acting together , but is is immaterial because it is just the immaterial interaction of braincells. Interaction is immaterial, but braincells are material. And they are both needed within the concept we call "logic".
Logic is changing from one person to the other, but logic could be unchanging within one persons brain.
Logic is in our minds, and it's universal. In our mind, because it can only be used by conscious people, and universal, because they apply to /everything/.
I don't know under what category "in our minds" would take, but if it's immaterial, then I would be happy with that.
But still, the fact that there are certain immaterial things, doesn't mean that that makes the proposed existence of a God more likely, just fyi.
The immaterial is thoughts in your brain, and they materialize when they are used as a tool, whether they're used to win an argument, or solve a puzzle.
Logic changes when we discover and learn new things; therefore, logic only seems objective when that process stops, or if one or more people die believing a lie, for an example. For logic to be objective, a problem has to be solved and its solution MUST be useful.
@TuplaPekka i wouldn't say logic is immaterial there are probably brain function that direct relate to logical thinking. the concept of logic isn't real or materal but the brain behavior is real.
Bill Wiese saw the searing flames of hell, felt total isolation, and experienced the putrid and rotting stench, deafening screams of agony, terrorizing demons, and finally, the strong hand of God lifting him out of the pit. "Tell them I am coming very, very soon!"
Wiese's visit to the devil's lair lasted just twenty-three minutes, but he returned with vivid details etched in his memory.
Bill Wiese, 23 Minutes In Hell is a good book to read. Hell is real and no one wants to go there. There is only a Heaven and a Hell there is no in- between for people that don't believe in God. Hell is awful, there is no water, no fresh air, but only darkness and fire full of evil.. There is no Mercy in Hell, because Mercy is a gift from God, there is No Love in Hell because Love is also a gift from God.
The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an “agnostic” - one who claims he “doesn't know” if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is “ignoramus.” The Bible tells us that this ignorance is “willful” (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't.
If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I? have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?
For Atheists To say categorically, "There? is no God," is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.
God gives you the beauty of a summer evening, the coolness of a refreshing breeze….He delights you with the taste of fresh crusty bread or the juice of a ripe peach. Perhaps you have experienced the ecstasy of Love. These are God’s gifts…. All of these are blessings from God….But in Hell, all this will be taken from you…. all the dignity that you now have as an image bearer of God will be stripped from you… The wicked will burn with fire but they will not be consumed --Edward Donnelly
hell sound a lot better than heaven. to be truly happy you must both experience a mix of happiness and pain. a mix of heaven and hell. you must truly understand both of them to be truly happy.
hell is better because you will always remember happiness. and what it is. heaven is a perfect world that is always good. but if thing are always the same they become boring. with nothing to look ford to you might as well be in hell.
No one lives without God….He gives you every breath you take. His kindness surrounds us all….He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on the unjust as well as the just. Matt 5:45
logic is a process of argument, therefore it applies to the material world in terms of the analysis of hard facts and the immaterial world in terms of debating abstract concepts. Logically, a process of thinking can't be 'swallowed' because it is a technique of observing and drawing conclusions from evidence. (Rather like the illogic of religion can't be swallowed if one has engaged ones logic.)
and that is not saying that you hit the point on this one. calling the universe is an accident makes me ill. this has been explained thousand of times, stop calling the universe an accident!
@TuplaPekka Yes there is a large acceptance of god among people of this world. I'm just saying that no one on this earth can explain god, it is beyond our ability, same with the universe no matter how close we get we'll never understand it. and actually nothing really adds up, that's why they call it faith
@FLuSHUnderground thats total BS. Science has given us a very good picture of how the universe works. not a perfect picture but a good one. just because the answers science propose are beyond your understanding it doesnt mean that no-one understands it.
@TuplaPekka you can try and attack my intelligence all you want. I was meaning that we can't fully understand anything, we can search for "facts" and "proof" but everything is viewed from an individual perspective and facts are just popular opinion.
@FLuSHUnderground so the cumulative knowledge from past two hundred years is simply matter of an opinion? that is simply your opinion and you present it as fact which means nothing.
@TuplaPekka yes everything is a matter of opinion, including what I said. I never claimed it to be fact. When people claim to have absolute answers ignorance ensues. It's all opinion. No one can prove what the universe is or means it is so vast and infinite that it is impossible to fully grasp with the finite human mind. You can tell me my opinions mean nothing all you want but that simply just means your opinions mean nothing as well. What makes you so special you have all the right answers
@FLuSHUnderground as I dont see science ever reaching a point where there is no more science to be made and all possible questions are answered, I´d still say that claiming there is no facts and everything is a matter of an opinion is a fallacious argument. the lenght where our understanding can reach and the limitations of what can be known are not a black and white issues.
@TuplaPekka I never was saying that it was black or white, I agree it's not. That really is the point there are so many gray areas. life and all that is surrounded by it can only be seen through the eyes of the individual, no matter how much we agree on we're bound to disagree about something. How far out have we actually traveled?? do we have concrete samples from beyond our own galaxy? I don't disagree with the scientist that have studied I just like to keep an open mind. I study all sides
i got as far as 4:44...you're basically replacing the definition of "the laws of logic" with the word "god"...sorry, you can't do that "god" is not "the laws of logic
@lilrat489 semantics...who cares...is this a futile debate about the word logic? or about what logic actually is? logic is a method of reasoning based on truths/facts...'logic' is not 'god' nor any scripture
There are a LOT of things that are intangible but that are NOT supernatural. Perhaps you should reframe your question. I would also posit that there is no such thing as "supernatural", and that anything considered "magical" can be explained, and even so-called miracles have a rational explanation. If Jehovah did really exist (very doubtful), then I also believe that his existence could eventually be explained by science. Science is only limited by our perceptions and ability to quantify.
Simple challenge to an atheist. Let me blindfold you, deafen you, wrap you in mummy wrap, plug your mouth and stuff your nose with cotton and pass the following challenge.
1, Make a list of ingredients and tools to make a chef salad. 2. Walk to the grocery store. 3. Make the chef salad to exact unwavering specifications. 4. Tell me what it tastes like.
Bottom line?
NOT ONE PERSON IN 900TRILLION CAN PASS!
Why? A blind, stupid, dumb energy source can't get it done!
Chad, keep up the great work. Its always refreshing to hear from people who want to put themselves out there for everything to needle/microscope...its brave of you and well received!
Revelation 13:18 (King James Version) 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
I believe in God, but I hate to play the "devils" advocate. I agree that logic is immaterial, but I don't see how it correlates to naturalism. Logic to the atheist is the assesment of information regarding material things, so perhaps that's why he's saying they are immaterial. The problem with Christians using logic to debate Atheists is that we can make mistakes with our logic. The Bible says "Let God be true and every man made a liar". So my logic can be flawed.
@harmono Good point on our flawed use of logic. We constantly have to consider the noetic affects of sin. On the other hand, without laws of logic as Chad describes, we cannot even know that we know God. To your point about how atheists view logic as descriptive of matter's properties, that is the point. How can they know or account for the fact that that properties of matter are universal and unchanging? Chad makes some strong and important points.
follow Jesus--the ONLY way--to find and achieve any universal knowledge. our Saviour leads the way. keep your eyes on Him. i, as a Christian, need no other justification. the battle has already been won!!!! the fight is over!!! follow Jesus and the way will be made known. God bless the world. Jesus instructs us. follow Him
the unbelieving world cant see that we as created beings do not realize that we are very limited in our abilities. the Creator created us as He did all things living or otherwise. when anyone attempts to explain or to unravel any mystery that we as living beings think we have the ability to explain or unravel is just attempting to explore the "mind" of God our creator. IMPOSSIBLE. Jesus our Saviour came and gave us all the knowledge and direction we ever need. He already has wont the battle
I just think it's sad how most people who follow religion are too ignorant and stubborn to be open minded to other people's beliefs, in religion it is either my way or your wrong, either you do everything this way or your a bad person. i just find it stupid people believe in this and don't realize all the tension in the middle east is caused by religion and these people are too ignorant to just respect each other which honestly it says to do in your "Bible".
@awesomemoneyman Do you honestly believe that there is no universal right or wrong? Whether you're talking about correct/incorrect or good/evil, I find it difficult to believe that you don't do regularly the exact thing you're prohibiting here. In fact, your post includes such an instance. It sounds as though you believe that the "tension in the middle east" is bad and that, as it's cause, religion is bad. Aren't you contradicting yourself?
Logic??? Does anyone disagree with ian stien thoery of mass?? If non disagree then it is logical but even if one person disagree then he must disprove it such that all will agree with it. If we say I have logic and some people agree with it and some do not that means it is not fully logical because millions disagree with it. It is then down to faith not logic!!
I justify my beliefs with evidence. I simply refuse to believe that which cannot be reasonably demonstrated. Obviously certainty does not exist in anything, but why would you choose to believe the absurdities of the bible?
Quoting scripture to an audience that does not presuppose its truth (as you do) is plainly ridiculous. I would really enjoy debating with you in person, typing is such a chore.
The laws of logic have been deduced by physical beings making sense of a physical world. They are a product of the human mind. As such they are conceptual constructs. The behaviour of everyday objects appears to obey certain rules. Something cannot be in two different places simultaneously. Seems sensible, BUT those educated in modern physics will know that appearances may be deceptive.
ok I just gotta say if you really studies religion you'd know that most religions are based on Egyptian hieroglyphics, and that the bible was writtem many years after Jesus died, after the stories were carried on for many years through word of mouth, we've all played the telephone game right? it's not important what you believe in it's only important that you believe!
@FLuSHUnderground WOw an expert! Hey first: the Bible was written over 1600 years from Moses to approx 100AD. The copied documents were written in a "dead language": Greek. Which in case your "studies" haven't brought to the understanding is one of the most precise languages know to man. Dead sea scrolls verify the accuracy and even the existence of the early NT writtings. The real ? is: does one believe in God and the ability of God to preserve His message, and is there a message to preserve?
Logical from what stand point? God is a spirit but rules this material fallen creation. We live in such a state and not a more supernatural state because the fallen powers manipulate god here on earth. So he lives and has been trapped here since the fall of other powers. He has been stripped so the other powers can call themselves the creators. So god has always lived in this universe but not in this state. From this stand piont as a man god has controlled your comings and goings. Adam is Ya.
I like the direction he takes to the argument. It's good. It basically shows atheists that their "god" becomes logic, and therefore they must give an account for it. An abstract concept like logic would, according to athiest wordviews, have to be given a scientific (observable) analysis to be accepted as valid. Which means either:
A) Atheists admit their reasoning processes are invalid due to lack of evidence.
or...
B) They admit Christians have a valid argument for the existance of God.
I'm not part of a religion, I just believe in Jesus as my King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Someone can act religious, but it's whats in the heart that matters the most.
@neoarcadezr Yes I do belive that Jesus Christ is my Lord and My Savior. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. He paid a debt He did not owe; I owed a debt I could not pay; I needed someone to wash my sins away. And, now, I sing a brand new song, “Amazing Grace.” Christ Jesus paid a debt that I could never pay.
@shyanndreamcatcher there were worse deaths than Jesus death crucifixion was a regular punishment for people during that time why would he die for me and my sins that doesn't even make sense why would a all KNOWING god create us knowing we were gonna sin and then die for us o_0
@neoarcadezr he made the world so it would be good, and he was always one step ahead of man, he made the world so it would be good but adam and eve disobeyed so he had a plan so someone would go down and die peoples sins... to show that he cares
@neoarcadezr Yes many people died terrible deaths, but did there death mean something as great as Jesus death? Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day. How many people do you know have done this? The Scriptures tell us that Jesus died that we might have Eternal Life.
@neoarcadezr When Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Good and Evil Knowledge, it allowed sin to enter into the physical realm. A realm that is now polluted with evil.
Everyone that is born into this realm inherits this stain of sin with-in their members.
So one becomes a member of the "sin" club by physical birthright.
Since GOD cannot stand sin, a sacrifice must be made for atonement or pardon/forgiveness of this sin daily. For without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
The fundamental problem with your question is it's own grammar. Your question is essentially nonsensical because it presumes that calculations are physical objects. The laws of logic are predicated on Tautology, which itself tells us nothing about the world whatsoever. The laws of logic are not "True" as such, but rather, they are the system by which we calculate what IS"True". They are the desciption of a calculation process, which tells us how to balance an equation. Your question is invalid
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You don't need to account for anything as an atheist. The Laws of Logic are META physical, but not SUPERNATURAL...Christian worldview=failure on this video.
confluential 1 month ago
@confluential Correction, you CAN'T account for anything as an "atheist". He did not say logic is supernatural. He stated that God was supernatural. The laws of logic are immaterial.
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@Dude, the laws of logic are METAPHYSICAL . You even stating anything about a god is superfluous. As an atheist I don't NEED to account for why the laws of logic exist. They have always existed, and even any superfluous god you bring up MUST follow the laws of logic lest your god be contradictory. As an atheist I only owe deference to what's real.
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JezusSlave 2 months ago
The "if-then conditional" does not always appear in traditional "if-then" form, but in the case of Mat 19:17 the hypothesis has been specifically identified.
IF thou wilt enter into life (P), (THEN) keep the commandments (Q).
P -> Q
If Paul is being "contrary" in Rom 3:28 and Gal 3:11, then LOGICALLY CONCLUDE the truth of the Antecedent (P) without Affirming the Consequent (Q)...
You must learn the ways of the Logos if you're to come with me to Alderaan.
PrinceWalter 2 months ago
I would say that the laws of logic are universal, insofaras the laws of logic reflect existence, and exstence is certainly universal.
Again, concerning "The law of noncontradiction" and taking you to a 'place' where it doesn't apply, it's quite simple, in your mind, Schroedinger's Cat. The law..does...not..apply.
So you see, the atheist has NO problem accounting for laws of logic, we have no problem explai the materilsti(which is not necessarily atheist) worldview whatsoever. :)
BigLundi 3 months ago
As for not being able to "touch" a law ofr logic, you're completely incorrect. Let's take the law of Identity for example. My car is parked in the garage. According to the law of identity, my care cannot be 'not' parked inthe garage. I can see and touch my car adhering to this law of logic. It's easy.
Laws of logic are changing, as soon as we observe an instance that they don't work. Unless of course you've never heard of Schroedinger's cat.
And it's unchanging in that existence is.
BigLundi 3 months ago
As a christian, you cannot account for the laws of logic, because all you're doing is accounting for logic with something that's unaccounted for.
TAG is such a silly argument.
Logic is simply a reflection of reality. We, conscious beings observe that reality behaves a certain way. We decided to label the ways it works with the label of 'laws of logic'. They are material in that they reflect a material existence, and immaterial in that we concieve of them.
BigLundi 3 months ago
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Jesus Is the WORD of God...it is greek for "Logos"...which is translated into LOGIC.
The Bible teaches that Jesus is the very Logic and wisdom of God. If man has logic...then God who is spirit and infinite, has an even GREATER logic, which has created the Earth in the beginning.
When God raised up his Son through his spirit. He came as the very Logic and spiritual reason of God.
Thats why Jesus was rejected and killed. He was perfect in LOVE, and cleaned our sins for us if we believe.
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that kid clearly didn't know what he was talking about, I don't see the point of addressing only the worst answer in your video.
raith2006 6 months ago
@raith2006 That is a very convient response God bless
jordan7787 5 months ago
@jordan7787 it's not convenient at all, making a video about the worst answer is just a waste of everyone's time and doesn't clear anything up. there are likely several people who answered the question better and their responses are ignored, it's basically a straw man argument that's backed up by a fringe opinion. Logic is an abstract concept, it isn't composed of matter and is therefore immaterial.
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@jordan7787 it's not convenient at all, making a video about the worst answer is just a waste of everyone's time and doesn't clear anything up. there are likely several people who answered the question better and their responses are ignored, it's basically a straw man argument that's backed up by a fringe opinion. Logic is an abstract concept, it isn't composed of matter and is therefore immaterial.
raith2006 5 months ago
@jordan7787 As for the second question, logic has to be unchanging, otherwise it would be useless in comparing or contrasting different situations or choices, it would be like using a measuring tape that was constantly changing length.
raith2006 5 months ago
First of all, I'm not an atheist. And second of all, are you so incompetent that you think everything that is material is purely physical (touchable, eatable, weighable)? Atheists mean that the human mind is material, that the thoughts (the laws of logic are mental constructions) and emotions of a mind is created by reactions within the brain.
ShaftCantDie 6 months ago
you sent me a link to you channel a while ago and this is the first time I came by to check it out. I'm glad I did. I will come back and watch more videos later. I have another channel showing off my motion graphic skills. I am in the middle of project right now however in the future if your interested I would be happy to make you an animated intro for your videos. Keep up the good WK
disciplle7 6 months ago
@disciplle7 im glad i came across this video too:)
ActressCari90 6 months ago
This video makes claims that it can't back up. Like "God is immaterial", "God is spirit". Provide evidence for both of those qualities being part of God's nature from an un biased source, IE not the Bible. Can't do it? Then don't assert it.
adam3251 7 months ago
@adam3251 How about medical journals proving the usefulness of prayer?
Prayer to a non-physical being in Jesus name is proven scientifically to work! However it failed to work when done in the Catholic repetitive prayer way. So the scientific data was confirmed independently and was also proven to be falsifiable ..when no other type of prayers to any other deity showed any efficiency.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru Please provide me the citation for these medical journals so that I may read them for myself. I already know that you will be unable to do so. How about reading the Harvard study which directly contradicts your claims. I will provide a link. Before you repeat what your pastor has told you, you may want to check out information for yourself. w w w(dot)nytimes(dot)com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
adam3251 7 months ago
@adam3251 :) [I already know that you will be unable to do so]
1) i mentioned the Harvard study on my 1st post "repetitive prayer"
2) i already listed 3 links 2 journals plus a Christian website 4 more.
3) Prayer if done wrong, is falsifiable
(@ the bottom of my channel in the Answers 4 Atheist Section)
Sorry Adam but your "judgment" could not b more wrong about me. i don't have a pastor as i don't subscribe 2 ANY religion. I research my topics well using discernment & always test 4 truth. :)
MajesticCyru 7 months ago 2
@MajesticCyru So if you don't subscribe to any religion, who are you to say that anyone's prayers are wrong? I will check out your links.
adam3251 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru I don't know where you mentioned the Harvard study nor what your thoughts on it are, but for everyone that you post up claiming to validate prayer I can find one that doesn't so you can hardly say that the matter is settled. At best they jury is still out. You would think that God would be able to make this a slam dunk. It apparently isn't able to do so. w w w . mayoclinicproceedings . com/content/76/12/1192
adam3251 7 months ago
@adam3250..1o1 Earth to ADAM..
You need to get out of your USA bubble, with all that brain-washing required to keep you thinking you still live in a republic. Don't tell me you still trust Fox News, the CFR, Mr. Rockefeller, JP Morgan & the Vatican's Rothschild family with your future?
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Rothschild?!?! Are you time traveling from 1907? WTF are you even talking about?
adam3251 6 months ago
@adam3251 Talk about ignorant... the fact you have 2 ask me about the role these families play in your life proves my point about you living in a Hypocrisy. You probably still think the Federal Reserve is publicly owned, when it's the above mentioned families that have since the 1800's run your country & the whole world into war after war. How does having 2 choices to vote for the same government make you feel?
MajesticCyru 6 months ago
@MajesticCyru No, I understand the realities of the world we live in. Trust me I am properly prepared. I have properly folded my tin foil so that it will protect me from the Rothschilds, Morgans, Government, etc from stealing my thoughts. I see you have done the same. Hopefully we can still keep spreading the truth so the Reptilians won't get everyone.
adam3251 6 months ago
"Is logic changing or unchanging, it's both" I don't think this guy understands logic at all. I mean, that very statement is illogical. I mean... I can KINDA buy the 'material and immaterial' for reasons too complicated to get into, but even that is pushing it.
Other than this guy your responding to, however, your making the TAG argument. And it's just as looney as believing something can be unchanging and changing.
Sines314 7 months ago
Chad, I have watched some of your videos and I would like to ask you a sincere question regarding God and the universe. Like you, I am on a spiritual path towards understanding, though I believe there is more to the story than what the message of religion reveals alone. 500 yrs ago people believed the earth was flat. Today, Billy Meier is the best documented UFO contactee in history, claiming spiritual teachings and obtained physical evidence by ETs. Your thoughts? please no jokes or insults
devendati 7 months ago
Immaterial-ism isn't "based" on Christianity. Language is immaterial and therefore most everything is immaterial.
To give something a description requires an ultimate form of something, something Plato went into.
Beauty is unquantifiable, we think some things are more beautiful than others yet there is no ultimate form of beauty, unless you imagine that to be God.
But also, we have chair characteristics. We look at something and think, "yes that is a chair."
xtelevisionset 8 months ago
@xtelevisionset But surely, there must be an ultimate form of chairness?
Plato imagined a universe which takes a great deal of perception change to realize this world of ultimate forms of material objects which can be both an immaterial world and a material world because everything that exists only exists in the mind, we perceive the universe in a way that makes sense to the mind.
But in the end. What makes Christianity more right than Plato's world of Forms?
Or Atheism for that matter?
xtelevisionset 8 months ago
The laws of logic are simply human recognition of the pattern consistency of what we percieve, concieve, or observe. With this axiomatic intellectual universality between human minds we could not communicate with each other, nor understand ANYTHING.
Without these laws of logic YOU couldn't describe "God" to yourself or anyone else, even as a concept or fantasy.
God is contingent on the laws of logic the same as everything else!
Your your argument is flawed!
Tobytrim 9 months ago
This isn't even an argument for or against God.
In fact, WTF is it Chad?
bluemoonrising26 9 months ago
@bluemoonrising26 "This isn't even an argument for or against God."
Excellent observation! - And the most telling thing about this argument, whenever I hear it from Christian apologists...
It's called muddying the water for everyone to prevent your dishonest or irrational premise from being spotted in the clear water!
Tobytrim 9 months ago
When you use god to account for logic saying it is his reflection, you are borowing from the real world to account for god.
And, in your position that logic is on the mind of god, can god change logic? If not, then god is subject to logic, so you didn't account for anything. "God's reflection is just what it is" & "Reality is just what it is" is there any difference? Now, if god can change the laws how does it make him different from us? You say it can't come from us cause we change our minds.
Absortus 10 months ago
Anything that is not material is immaterial... but that doesn't tell what this immaterial thing is, that just tells one thing that it is not. So, what is this immaterial god?
I'm sitting on a chair right now.
Is that statement material or "immaterial"?
It is an abstract concept used to describe reality. It needs a mind to exist, but reality does not.
Absortus 10 months ago
Haha come on!
The "Laws of Logic" is a series of definitions! They're immaterial in the same way language is. It's just the definitions for a specific usage of language.
mrbluesky323 10 months ago
All I can say for All you non-believers, go watch the top Favorite in my favorites, "A Trip Into the Supernatural"! One of the biggest mistakes almost every believer is making today is, Not keeping the Sabbath! Commandment #4 of the 10! Watch that video I recommended above! Wake up folks!
SurprizedDaily 10 months ago
LOL they used to have seas boiling, water turning into wine, burning bushes and people rising from the grave now all they have is tools like this guy bleeting on about logic ha ha ha ha ha ha
greeny202a 10 months ago
This is messy! Proving logic with logic!
OmegaYeahns 10 months ago
Ah, the old transcendental argument for the existence of god. Even if i did prove a god, which it doesn't, it doesn't prove a Christian god or a single god (could be many gods). The question of the existence of law of logic depends on your definition of existence. Anyway, its all a mental slight of hand religious whackos use to fool people into thinking they have a good argument for the existence of God.
bogusnachos 10 months ago 2
whats your point? what does logic have to do with anything? if you are going to use logic as a premiss to the existence of god. then you have to look at the fruits of the tree of religion which in the sheep population we have seen good but the shepards liers and thiefs with fake healings and manipulation with a consant need for money to fund theur cause. I wonder how much money are you making off your youtube endevour
pana376 10 months ago
I give this a big 82nd AIrborne thumbs up!
Mike82ARP 11 months ago
what would you do if you found out that Genesis was just a shorter version of the original writers (The Sumerians). What would you do if I told you we are the products of Genetic engineering by Alien intervention, created in the image of the "Gods". Is this possible?
treasuredroperX 11 months ago
@treasuredroperX What would u do if u found out that the truth of Genesis predated the Sumerians who added their perspective to the story. What would u do if I told u that Genesis points 2 how genetic engineering was done by fallen angles (aliens). The story after all tells about a flood to purify the animals & human race from the giants who where the sons of the fallen angels. For as the story goes with the flood and with Noah that he was spared for being pure in his generations (blood line).
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru It does not predate the sumerians. The Sumerian texts found in Baghdad Nippur library out date the genesis of the bible. It out dates the bible in the same way Pandora and Epimethius out dates the idea of Adam and Eve and how evil became into the world. The bible is predicated on other myths in other cultures, modified over time. Which explains the several interpretations of the bible, and how we don't know which is really the correct text.
treasuredroperX 7 months ago
@treasuredroperX U might want to do some homework before embarrassing yourself.
Your entitled 2 your opinion, but nothing u have said is proven & is simply a faith position when the past is not observable. So unless u can "prove" your "assertions" then your historical claims, have no credibility. Plus, the biblical texts r not predicated on myths or other cultures. U r very foolish 2 disagree with historians & archeologist, whose opinions r credible.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru Your whole philosophy is based on faith, so you can do nothing but to predicate your life on the word "FAITH" which does nothing. Can I prove my claims? lol, yes I can send you a email if you like. Check your spelling. And, actually the historical records of Jesus and things alike in the bible are denied by theologians and historians because of the poor documentation of the accounts. Obviously just stories, modified over time.
treasuredroperX 7 months ago
@treasuredroperX [Pandora and Epimethius out dates the idea of Adam and Eve]
If your whole world view is based on dating "mythology" then it's no wonder your way out in left field. Carbon 14 dating debunks all the newest assumptions on how to date things.. making the world less then 100 000 years but still no way to know for sure since we have to project today's conditions we can observe back in time on conditions we can only speculate.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru Lol, Carbon 14 is not the only dating method used in Chronology. Half life is not the only one. Methods of dating cultures are not only used by Carbon 14, but archaeological evidence at certain time periods. Carbon 14 is PERFECTLY reliable. I believe your creationist friends will throw out lies about how it's inaccurate because a snail dated longer then it should have. To bad it doesn't work on Sea Creatures that have been submerged in Sodium Chloride for long periods of time.
treasuredroperX 7 months ago
@treasuredroperX :) snails? ...well your welcome to your opinion.
[Carbon 14 is not the only dating method used in Chronology]
Yes I'm aware of how science has had 2 come up with new dating methods faster then we can debunk them. In the end ..we can disprove most methods with Carbon 14 dating apply 2 almost anything, ..but we still have 2 assume the past condition r the same as we c today. Their is no perfect dating methodology ..hence my "mythology" joke. Glad 2 c u have a sense of humor :)
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
logic is a concept which is used to understand the world, with this said I would like to say logic is material to the extend that it really exists, what we call logic isn't bound to eternal rules as you will learn as you dig deeper into human history.
the Laws of logic are not really laws of reality they are rules created by man to make the pursued of knowledge more factual and less guesswork, the existence of these laws is in our books and minds so they are, like I said, material.
theone0044 11 months ago
The word out on the streets is that you have blocked "actionjackson864" from commenting on your vids. I think that a lot of people would like to hear what he has to say including myself, and you also could learn somethings from that. I wonder how many others have you blocked? Trying to isolate yourself from intelligent thinkers who oppose your views does not help your image.
TampaCary 1 year ago
@TampaCary if that were true don't you think he would have blocked you by outing him out like that? lol
93ckh 11 months ago
@93ckh Good question... I believe he does not perceive me to be a viable threat.. probably for good reason....
He does seem like a good well meaning fellow tho... He is very intelligent. I will give him that, too bad his beliefs come from nothing more than the imaginations and fabrications of men living more than 2000 years ago....What a waste of a good intelligent mind....
TampaCary 11 months ago
@TampaCary
I think b/c he believes in God makes him intellient. I don't think you have watched any of his street preaching.. If you have you would think twice about what YOU believe in.
93ckh 11 months ago
@93ckh If you are suggesting a cause and effect relationship between this man's intelligence and his belief in god, then you are also suggesting that atheists are not intelligent. Shame on you.
joe1234567890i 10 months ago
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hhmmm... that all would depend on how you define intelligence. Maybe the word I meant to say was wise. But I think intelligent is fine. I don't really understand why atheists believe in what they do (because at the end of the day it IS a belief) but hey, we all live our lives with some faith. It’s all good. ;)
93ckh 10 months ago
@93ckh No, actually, it doesn't depend on how you define intelligence or any other word you want to replace that with in the sentence. It's simple logic, really (Key word in the sentence: LOGIC). A sentence along the lines of "he is A because B " logically results in the same statement as "had he not been B, then A would not have happened." With this in mind, reread my reply to your statement and things should be clear why I said what I said. Oh, and you're welcome about the lesson in logic 101.
joe1234567890i 10 months ago
@TampaCary I have to disagree with you... for obvious reasons.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru... As I have to disagree with you for very obvious reasons...
TampaCary 7 months ago
@TampaCary Your double-minded logic fails on so many levels.
Do u not have the same right 2 ban any-1 u want on your channel?
1) No 1 is stopping u from talking 2 actionjackson @ his channel.
2) These Channels have "built in rights" hence the banning actionjackson
3) Just like any private bar, restaurant, gym, etc, ..piss off the owner.. get banned!
4) If u don't like it ..no problem ..take your business else where!
If someone was unwelcome in your home.. do u not have a right to expel him?
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
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TampaCary 1 year ago
Logic is unchanging and universal whether you are an atheist or theist.
AvoomDbishmaya 1 year ago
God is always evolving... God speaks to humans today....God is here right now. Christianity is a fraud since you're not supposed to worship "Jesus". "Jesus" wasn't his real name it's Sananda Esu Immanuel. Keep sharing what you're doing and don't resist getting your God updates. ;) Peace, Dieter
Indianinthemachine 1 year ago
@Indianinthemachine
Question: Are you a Hindu? Sikhist? Bah'aist? Buddhist?
BassP86 11 months ago
You are right in crashing boonies input, for he is wrong all the way. But that doesn't make the laws of logic somehow connected to a god.
As i commented on the first video, all things are either material or immaterial. A creator god would be an exampe for a thing that is both (outside the material world, but still an entity that can interact with it), so I cannot agree that the laws of logic only make sense in a christian world view. Quite the opposite actually.
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wow what a fucking moron you are.
guitaHer099 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing... Great vid!
bigdaddycj31 1 year ago 3
You could be the next Greg Bahnsen
BenjaminWirtz 1 year ago
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Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
elizchel 1 year ago
are you doing a follow-up to this?
alexporterfield 1 year ago
i think you justified logic through some verse - aristotle invented the laws of logic - not the bible. aristotle also postiulated that an anvil would fall faster than an apple - so they laws of logic were not enough without observation - which led to the scientific method. the flaw in the logic of anvil /apple argument - was in the -premise- it was logical but the premise was false - logical laws dont change - accept rarely when a new one is proved. theyre immaterial - so is the number 11
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
@MrIzzyDizzy He didn't invent the Laws of Logic. They existed long before man did. He discovered them.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
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We have proof that Jesus walked on this earth, that is enough proof that the Bible is TRUE, but people don't want to know the TRUTH, because it is easier for them to live in SIN then it is to change their life. People that don't want to know the TRUTH try and lead others away from the TRUTH, the BLIND leading the BLIND.. Look up this video for proof and it's not the Bible proving the Bible--Did Jesus Exist? 1 of 4 , by user Knowwheretorun1984 or look on my channel it is the Featured video.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
Hah!
Killjeser 1 year ago
If you are truly a Christian, you are displaying no logic at all. Go take a course in logic, then try this again. But please leave religion out of it, it is not relative.
ktorch 1 year ago
Logic is immaterial in the same way that mathematics are immaterial. They exist in the abstract. There is a difference between "immaterial" and "supernatural." Both have practical use in the natural world even if they aren't composed of matter. I inferred from your previous video that you were essentially trying to bait a particular sort of response that you could then paint into a corner. I will try to find time to post a video response to this.
UserBaines 1 year ago
@UserBaines
But doesn't 'immaterial' entail that not only the material world is possible, but the supernatural is as well?
BassP86 11 months ago
There was definitely a time where you could have a 5 $ bill in your wallet, and not in your wallet at the same time. That was the time that the concept of a wallet was unknown, or the concept of a 5 $ bill, for that matter.
Siddis33 1 year ago
@Siddis33 That made no sense.......
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 Logic is not very clear cut. Rationalresponder seems very confused about this. He constructs premises as he pleases, and his arguments are basically nothing but strawmans.
Siddis33 1 year ago
@Siddis33 Your statement about the $5 bill made wasn't clear cut at all. Do explain how he does what you accuse him of doing.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 the 5$ example was not supposed to be clear-cut. It was supposed to be confusing, and to be a straw-man argument from my side. I knew what RR meant. But he knew, or should have known that his 5$ bill example did not reflect what Booney meant. This is a text book example of a Straw-man Argument.
Siddis33 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 There are a lot of ways to logically see things. It varies from person to person. It is claimed that God is unchangeable, but then he becomes angry. And then he engages in discussions and changes his mind. How is this unchangeable? It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe it makes sense to others. Maybe the concept of logic is not so black and white.
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"Rationalresponder seems very confused about this. He constructs premises as he pleases, and his arguments are basically nothing but strawmans." - Any evidence of this?
BassP86 11 months ago
Logic is material because , it is the interaction of material braincells acting together , but is is immaterial because it is just the immaterial interaction of braincells. Interaction is immaterial, but braincells are material. And they are both needed within the concept we call "logic".
Logic is changing from one person to the other, but logic could be unchanging within one persons brain.
Siddis33 1 year ago
I like the intro music. :)
Logic is in our minds, and it's universal. In our mind, because it can only be used by conscious people, and universal, because they apply to /everything/.
I don't know under what category "in our minds" would take, but if it's immaterial, then I would be happy with that.
But still, the fact that there are certain immaterial things, doesn't mean that that makes the proposed existence of a God more likely, just fyi.
bangNL94 1 year ago
The immaterial is thoughts in your brain, and they materialize when they are used as a tool, whether they're used to win an argument, or solve a puzzle.
Logic changes when we discover and learn new things; therefore, logic only seems objective when that process stops, or if one or more people die believing a lie, for an example. For logic to be objective, a problem has to be solved and its solution MUST be useful.
FallenAngel0fDoom 1 year ago
logic is a thought concept there for exist as inmaterial set of rules and as material set of synapsis in the brain.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka i wouldn't say logic is immaterial there are probably brain function that direct relate to logical thinking. the concept of logic isn't real or materal but the brain behavior is real.
DebateMeTheists 1 year ago
Great video, brother. Keep up the good work.
wpuymac 1 year ago
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csaver 1 year ago
Bill Wiese saw the searing flames of hell, felt total isolation, and experienced the putrid and rotting stench, deafening screams of agony, terrorizing demons, and finally, the strong hand of God lifting him out of the pit. "Tell them I am coming very, very soon!"
Wiese's visit to the devil's lair lasted just twenty-three minutes, but he returned with vivid details etched in his memory.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
Bill Wiese, 23 Minutes In Hell is a good book to read. Hell is real and no one wants to go there. There is only a Heaven and a Hell there is no in- between for people that don't believe in God. Hell is awful, there is no water, no fresh air, but only darkness and fire full of evil.. There is no Mercy in Hell, because Mercy is a gift from God, there is No Love in Hell because Love is also a gift from God.
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The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an “agnostic” - one who claims he “doesn't know” if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is “ignoramus.” The Bible tells us that this ignorance is “willful” (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I? have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
For Atheists To say categorically, "There? is no God," is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
@shyanndreamcatcher God can not be proven to exist and he cannot be proven not to exist. so to conclude he absolutely doesn't exist.
just because we cant disprove something existence doesn't mean it does.
DebateMeTheists 1 year ago
God gives you the beauty of a summer evening, the coolness of a refreshing breeze….He delights you with the taste of fresh crusty bread or the juice of a ripe peach. Perhaps you have experienced the ecstasy of Love. These are God’s gifts…. All of these are blessings from God….But in Hell, all this will be taken from you…. all the dignity that you now have as an image bearer of God will be stripped from you… The wicked will burn with fire but they will not be consumed --Edward Donnelly
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
@shyanndreamcatcher ohwell
hell sound a lot better than heaven. to be truly happy you must both experience a mix of happiness and pain. a mix of heaven and hell. you must truly understand both of them to be truly happy.
hell is better because you will always remember happiness. and what it is. heaven is a perfect world that is always good. but if thing are always the same they become boring. with nothing to look ford to you might as well be in hell.
DebateMeTheists 1 year ago
No one lives without God….He gives you every breath you take. His kindness surrounds us all….He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on the unjust as well as the just. Matt 5:45
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
logic is a process of argument, therefore it applies to the material world in terms of the analysis of hard facts and the immaterial world in terms of debating abstract concepts. Logically, a process of thinking can't be 'swallowed' because it is a technique of observing and drawing conclusions from evidence. (Rather like the illogic of religion can't be swallowed if one has engaged ones logic.)
Alun53 1 year ago
Booney does not think his statements through and is lazy in his response, not a good example of atheist apologetics.
Kingdonomics 1 year ago
and that is not saying that you hit the point on this one. calling the universe is an accident makes me ill. this has been explained thousand of times, stop calling the universe an accident!
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka you're right it has been explained many times... in theory. It's all just theory no one on earth can "explain" the universe.
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
@FLuSHUnderground yet somehow the properties of god are widely known. doesnt seem to add up now, does it
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka Yes there is a large acceptance of god among people of this world. I'm just saying that no one on this earth can explain god, it is beyond our ability, same with the universe no matter how close we get we'll never understand it. and actually nothing really adds up, that's why they call it faith
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
@FLuSHUnderground thats total BS. Science has given us a very good picture of how the universe works. not a perfect picture but a good one. just because the answers science propose are beyond your understanding it doesnt mean that no-one understands it.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka Without God there be no Science...
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
@shyanndreamcatcher that is a non-argument that proves nothing.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka you can try and attack my intelligence all you want. I was meaning that we can't fully understand anything, we can search for "facts" and "proof" but everything is viewed from an individual perspective and facts are just popular opinion.
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
@FLuSHUnderground so the cumulative knowledge from past two hundred years is simply matter of an opinion? that is simply your opinion and you present it as fact which means nothing.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka yes everything is a matter of opinion, including what I said. I never claimed it to be fact. When people claim to have absolute answers ignorance ensues. It's all opinion. No one can prove what the universe is or means it is so vast and infinite that it is impossible to fully grasp with the finite human mind. You can tell me my opinions mean nothing all you want but that simply just means your opinions mean nothing as well. What makes you so special you have all the right answers
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
@FLuSHUnderground as I dont see science ever reaching a point where there is no more science to be made and all possible questions are answered, I´d still say that claiming there is no facts and everything is a matter of an opinion is a fallacious argument. the lenght where our understanding can reach and the limitations of what can be known are not a black and white issues.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka I never was saying that it was black or white, I agree it's not. That really is the point there are so many gray areas. life and all that is surrounded by it can only be seen through the eyes of the individual, no matter how much we agree on we're bound to disagree about something. How far out have we actually traveled?? do we have concrete samples from beyond our own galaxy? I don't disagree with the scientist that have studied I just like to keep an open mind. I study all sides
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
yay! a christian who makes good videos. subbed!
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
i got as far as 4:44...you're basically replacing the definition of "the laws of logic" with the word "god"...sorry, you can't do that "god" is not "the laws of logic
mindDefyButtin 1 year ago
@mindDefyButtin the originial world logic comes from the greek word logos. which means divine word.
lilrat489 1 year ago
@lilrat489 semantics...who cares...is this a futile debate about the word logic? or about what logic actually is? logic is a method of reasoning based on truths/facts...'logic' is not 'god' nor any scripture
mindDefyButtin 1 year ago
cool intro music!
philosophizer149 1 year ago
There are a LOT of things that are intangible but that are NOT supernatural. Perhaps you should reframe your question. I would also posit that there is no such thing as "supernatural", and that anything considered "magical" can be explained, and even so-called miracles have a rational explanation. If Jehovah did really exist (very doubtful), then I also believe that his existence could eventually be explained by science. Science is only limited by our perceptions and ability to quantify.
WFCoW 1 year ago
Rational Responder, you've learn logic well, keep-up the good work until the Second Return of our Big Brother, and God Jesus the Messiah.
cespedeslv 1 year ago
Simple challenge to an atheist. Let me blindfold you, deafen you, wrap you in mummy wrap, plug your mouth and stuff your nose with cotton and pass the following challenge.
1, Make a list of ingredients and tools to make a chef salad. 2. Walk to the grocery store. 3. Make the chef salad to exact unwavering specifications. 4. Tell me what it tastes like.
Bottom line?
NOT ONE PERSON IN 900TRILLION CAN PASS!
Why? A blind, stupid, dumb energy source can't get it done!
HE LIVES!
johnlewisbrooks 1 year ago
Chad, keep up the great work. Its always refreshing to hear from people who want to put themselves out there for everything to needle/microscope...its brave of you and well received!
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
Well said, Chad. Keep up the good work, brother!
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Revelation 13:18 (King James Version) 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
I believe in God, but I hate to play the "devils" advocate. I agree that logic is immaterial, but I don't see how it correlates to naturalism. Logic to the atheist is the assesment of information regarding material things, so perhaps that's why he's saying they are immaterial. The problem with Christians using logic to debate Atheists is that we can make mistakes with our logic. The Bible says "Let God be true and every man made a liar". So my logic can be flawed.
harmono 1 year ago
@harmono Good point on our flawed use of logic. We constantly have to consider the noetic affects of sin. On the other hand, without laws of logic as Chad describes, we cannot even know that we know God. To your point about how atheists view logic as descriptive of matter's properties, that is the point. How can they know or account for the fact that that properties of matter are universal and unchanging? Chad makes some strong and important points.
larrycastle 1 year ago
Bro you make think
thank you
drshamast 1 year ago
lol, looks like someone finally gave you the answers you were looking for. too bad you werent looking for the most intelligent answer.
WashyBanjo 1 year ago
thank you for sharing solid presuppositional apologetics and fallacy detection.
tzmusiclive 1 year ago
thanks for sharing your Gog given wisdom........Jesus bless you and yours
Johntow33 1 year ago
follow Jesus--the ONLY way--to find and achieve any universal knowledge. our Saviour leads the way. keep your eyes on Him. i, as a Christian, need no other justification. the battle has already been won!!!! the fight is over!!! follow Jesus and the way will be made known. God bless the world. Jesus instructs us. follow Him
tbrd1n 1 year ago
the unbelieving world cant see that we as created beings do not realize that we are very limited in our abilities. the Creator created us as He did all things living or otherwise. when anyone attempts to explain or to unravel any mystery that we as living beings think we have the ability to explain or unravel is just attempting to explore the "mind" of God our creator. IMPOSSIBLE. Jesus our Saviour came and gave us all the knowledge and direction we ever need. He already has wont the battle
tbrd1n 1 year ago
I just think it's sad how most people who follow religion are too ignorant and stubborn to be open minded to other people's beliefs, in religion it is either my way or your wrong, either you do everything this way or your a bad person. i just find it stupid people believe in this and don't realize all the tension in the middle east is caused by religion and these people are too ignorant to just respect each other which honestly it says to do in your "Bible".
awesomemoneyman 1 year ago
@awesomemoneyman Do you honestly believe that there is no universal right or wrong? Whether you're talking about correct/incorrect or good/evil, I find it difficult to believe that you don't do regularly the exact thing you're prohibiting here. In fact, your post includes such an instance. It sounds as though you believe that the "tension in the middle east" is bad and that, as it's cause, religion is bad. Aren't you contradicting yourself?
larrycastle 1 year ago
Love you Chad Williams congrats on your marriage, Praise GOD.
mrsgmason 1 year ago
Logic??? Does anyone disagree with ian stien thoery of mass?? If non disagree then it is logical but even if one person disagree then he must disprove it such that all will agree with it. If we say I have logic and some people agree with it and some do not that means it is not fully logical because millions disagree with it. It is then down to faith not logic!!
ThePashtunnotpaki 1 year ago
I justify my beliefs with evidence. I simply refuse to believe that which cannot be reasonably demonstrated. Obviously certainty does not exist in anything, but why would you choose to believe the absurdities of the bible?
Quoting scripture to an audience that does not presuppose its truth (as you do) is plainly ridiculous. I would really enjoy debating with you in person, typing is such a chore.
imaginenoreligion 1 year ago
The laws of logic have been deduced by physical beings making sense of a physical world. They are a product of the human mind. As such they are conceptual constructs. The behaviour of everyday objects appears to obey certain rules. Something cannot be in two different places simultaneously. Seems sensible, BUT those educated in modern physics will know that appearances may be deceptive.
Where exactly does an electron reside?
imaginenoreligion 1 year ago
Seriously? You are going to discuss logic and then start quoting scripture.... John 4:24, Malachi3:6, Psalm 139, 7-10 wtf?
Where are you going with this logic stuff? Do you think this proves your judeo-christian god?
Does an adjective prove god? It's immaterial, a label to describe an idea? NO, of course not!
imaginenoreligion 1 year ago
ok I just gotta say if you really studies religion you'd know that most religions are based on Egyptian hieroglyphics, and that the bible was writtem many years after Jesus died, after the stories were carried on for many years through word of mouth, we've all played the telephone game right? it's not important what you believe in it's only important that you believe!
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
@FLuSHUnderground WOw an expert! Hey first: the Bible was written over 1600 years from Moses to approx 100AD. The copied documents were written in a "dead language": Greek. Which in case your "studies" haven't brought to the understanding is one of the most precise languages know to man. Dead sea scrolls verify the accuracy and even the existence of the early NT writtings. The real ? is: does one believe in God and the ability of God to preserve His message, and is there a message to preserve?
goldmakers 1 year ago
Wicca FTW LMAO
zanta78 1 year ago
Logical from what stand point? God is a spirit but rules this material fallen creation. We live in such a state and not a more supernatural state because the fallen powers manipulate god here on earth. So he lives and has been trapped here since the fall of other powers. He has been stripped so the other powers can call themselves the creators. So god has always lived in this universe but not in this state. From this stand piont as a man god has controlled your comings and goings. Adam is Ya.
MasterOfSpacetime 1 year ago
if gods eternal why is the earth 6000 years ago what was he doing for trillons of years
sirbestnameever 1 year ago
what camera you using?
nice quality
Peace...
Death2theNWO777 1 year ago
I like the direction he takes to the argument. It's good. It basically shows atheists that their "god" becomes logic, and therefore they must give an account for it. An abstract concept like logic would, according to athiest wordviews, have to be given a scientific (observable) analysis to be accepted as valid. Which means either:
A) Atheists admit their reasoning processes are invalid due to lack of evidence.
or...
B) They admit Christians have a valid argument for the existance of God.
creationliberty 1 year ago
nice vid, some of the answers that are giving here by atheist are pretty out there,
greatestgiftis 1 year ago
I really appreciate any one who tries to share our faith in a respectful and thoughtful way.
Talithapraiz 1 year ago
I'm not part of a religion, I just believe in Jesus as my King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Someone can act religious, but it's whats in the heart that matters the most.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago 12
@shyanndreamcatcher well said
FLuSHUnderground 1 year ago
@shyanndreamcatcher What true positive statement!
Talithapraiz 1 year ago
@shyanndreamcatcher you believe some man a carpenter that lived 2000 years ago is your lord.........
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
@neoarcadezr Yes I do belive that Jesus Christ is my Lord and My Savior. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. He paid a debt He did not owe; I owed a debt I could not pay; I needed someone to wash my sins away. And, now, I sing a brand new song, “Amazing Grace.” Christ Jesus paid a debt that I could never pay.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
@shyanndreamcatcher there were worse deaths than Jesus death crucifixion was a regular punishment for people during that time why would he die for me and my sins that doesn't even make sense why would a all KNOWING god create us knowing we were gonna sin and then die for us o_0
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
@neoarcadezr he made the world so it would be good, and he was always one step ahead of man, he made the world so it would be good but adam and eve disobeyed so he had a plan so someone would go down and die peoples sins... to show that he cares
Richpers0n16 1 year ago
@neoarcadezr Yes many people died terrible deaths, but did there death mean something as great as Jesus death? Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day. How many people do you know have done this? The Scriptures tell us that Jesus died that we might have Eternal Life.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago
@neoarcadezr When Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Good and Evil Knowledge, it allowed sin to enter into the physical realm. A realm that is now polluted with evil.
Everyone that is born into this realm inherits this stain of sin with-in their members.
So one becomes a member of the "sin" club by physical birthright.
Since GOD cannot stand sin, a sacrifice must be made for atonement or pardon/forgiveness of this sin daily. For without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 year ago