And we continue waiting for a great man to lead us. The wait may be a long one. Ron Paul is not a great man. And since he's declared that he intends to end the federal reserve ensures that he will not receive any money from the ruling class, which controls the government and the media. Oh yeah, he also hates minorities. Just because he's NEW doesn't mean he's any GOOD.
I've not seen anything similar to Ron Paul in the past. And by your own logic, you are wrong about Ron Paul. He has a record of voting against gov't expansion, taxes, unbalanced budgets. He wants to end the Federal Reserve, champions competing currencies/sound money, civil liberties, and end the Income Tax. What politician/statist EVER wanted to end the Income Tax and replace it with Nothing? Sorry, you didn't convince me with your speculation.
This is exactly why philosophers are so unpopular. They claim to know what's right, but they refuse to take a step in the right direction because they consider the step imperfect.
thats why its a revolution,its cyclical. if i was president i would disband government and wish the people the best of luck but i support the movement,the intention is good.
I agree with you totally that those who try fix have dismally failed. With you in regards to Ron Paul. I do think we are fast coming to the point youth will leapfrog over all those stuck in their ways as youtube and the internet are connecting the minds of the global village. Its youth's innovative and creative ways, Would love see a movie being made of a courtcase of if the state is has the right to educate youth. it needs be smorgasbord of opportunity for each to follow up on their interests
Points taken but I would hope a "slow and steady" transformation would take place. For example first start with allowing private companies such as FedEx and UPS to get into the first class delivery service while slowly closing post offices. Just a quick thought on this but something like that. I am with you though as far as "using the state to shrink the state." Has never happened so I agree that it won't happen. The people have to not support the state. Stop feeding the beast.
1. Ron Paul is not an Anarchist. (at least I don't think)
2. Anarcho Capitalists like Walter Block and Jacob Huebert realize that Politics will not end the State. They only say that it can be used as a platform for educating and defending the people from the State as much as possible.
3. Anarcho Capitalists who support Ron Paul can still support ideas like Counter-Economics to help end the State.
Deal with the highly invested lobbying groups, their elite masters and their media propaganda arms FIRST before implementing change? That should hinder them from using their tools to foment the free range serfs from fighting their battles.
Listening to you for 20 minutes and 10 seconds was the post painful thing I have ever done in my life. I was 'waaiiiittting' for a valid, intelligent point.
@macengaction The point is, you cannot end the reform the state from within. You cannot fight fire with fire. You cannot oppose the tools of the state by using the tools of the state. The same way you cannot join the mafia and turn it into a charity organization. The state is the sum of the people controlling it (statists). You cannot drive people from statism by becoming a statist. You cannot convince ppl that god doesn`t exist by believing participating in the religion.
The fact that this video was disliked more than liked says that a lot of people out there are deluded retarded jealous cunts who are jealous of this mans intellect and could not and do not understand the first thing about reason and empirical evidence. Slavery, religion and Justin Bieber is all they deserve.
As a slave, I want to be beaten by my master on a less regular basis if my other option is being beaten on a more regular basis. Thus, if I have the option of Ron Paul being president vs other democrat or republican being in power, the choice is obviously having Ron Paul in power. In both cases I am assuming I don't have to put any time or resources into the making the choice come to fruition. So having Ron Paul in power is comparatively still better, and better is better is better.
@Nekhtenebo But I think the point is that putting Ron Paul in power isn't worth your effort. Sure, you can go down to the polls and vote for him, but it doesn't make sense to devote time, effort, and money to it.
It sounds like he is describing a financial collapse as a reason to not elect Ron Paul. My simple retort is this, who do you want signing bills when there is a financial collapse? I am assuming there will be a collapse no matter who gets elected. A freedom loving, individual rights supporting person, a liberal democrat, or a neocon republican?
Post office on strike is not the end of the world. Send checks using fedex or UPS.
stef was right years ago. RP supporters engage in magical thinking.
the proposition truly is as simple as, "join the mafia to turn it good."
any rebuttal is equivalent to changing words around and hoping for the best. any success in shrinking the state (HAH) ends in more revenue for the state to use for continued growth.
1. Post off office is allowed in const. 2. Fed dept of ed sets standards. They don't hire teachers. State and local govts hire teachers and have taxes. 3. We need the Irs to enforce a highly complex and long tax code to fund war and corporate welfare? 4. That's as far as I got before I couldn't listen to anymore. Wow. This is a great video to prove why we need Ron Paul.
let me try to summarize what you are saying. Authority has to flow from top to bottom. We have the reverse. Kids run the house kids run the school and employees tell the owner what to do. States rights is bad policy. Somebody has to be in charge.
Education: Deptment of Ed. Is all bureaucrats. They don't buy books. They don't teach students. They only set policy and hand out free money to schools that apply for the grants. 100% of the schools that receive money form the federal government do not need the moeny. Dept of Ed also controls college student grants and loans. Tuition prices are high because governemnt hands out free money to students. Tuition price will drop.
Ron Paul doesn't want to privatization the Post Office. It's in the Constitution.
He will cut the budget. If we simply stop hiring people the % of the beast (relative to the population) will decrease.
Anyway privatization doesn't mean everyone would be fired or strike. If you lay-off 30% of the people to increase productivity. Simply give a 5-10% raise to the other 70%. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't strike. If in some areas people strike just hire new people!
@teamJRism your use of the word "hate" is telling. stef cares about truth... "the initiation of violent force is immoral" is a truth statement and when applied consistently this truth necessitates abolishment of government
@WorthlessCurrency Should I use "dislike" instead of "hate"? Ur world of black n white pure logic dislike n hate are equal. Can't speak out against gov farms AND "like" USA.
I understand what he said. Most of us are just one step beyond and realize gov is a necessary evil. With no military things get pretty bad. Look at Japan vs China in WW2. Chinese were slaughtered, conquered and slaughtered somemore. US constitution has a good balance. Currently USA doesn't follow our constitution.
It doesn't have to be so violent or difficult like how you describe. Besides how much longer can this continue? Like I said they have record debts and unstable size. You make it sound like the change would be so bad but look at how bad things are now and getting worse from the growing wars, police state to worsening economy. Anyways I do agree with your point about personal action and I think it would be interesting if you debated with Ron Paul.
Let me also briefly explain how we could do things like eliminate the departments of education, homeland security, IRS, Federal Reserve etc. The parts of value would be replaced by private versions and competition. While for things like taxes wouldn't need to be replaced at all. The people who work in the parts being eliminated would simply have to make a change but it's doable. Think of it like a company going bankrupt because that's also what the U.S. government is like now.
I know this video is old now but I disagree with some of what you say here. First off the fact that you doubt something is possible is your own limitation. Yes people may have failed in the past but eventually things happen. It also sounds like you're creating a self fulfilling prophecy, and if enough others did the same this would be true. Yes there would likely be issues if and when we attempted to truly reduce the size of our governments but that doesn't mean it's not doable.
one day all transactions will be electronic. all mail email. I get your point and agree, but I foresee a future where the post office as a necessary service of the state is obsolete.
It's a huge disapointment to see Stef be against the ideas of Ron Paul.
Ron Paul has never talked about changing goverment overnight.
Ron Paul is 100% bent on ending the FED and is one of the only once that mean this seiously.
Eventhow Stef is libertarian just like Ron Paul then Stef has a more privatly way to solve this. But we can't only deal with this in private. It's only gonna be a small groupe of people supporting liberty but the vast majority will continue.
I support Ron because he supports the U.S not screwing with other countries and pulling out completely. The government is bullcrap anyway, after voting for Obama and him doing a horrible job I don't believe anything any of them say...but Ron seems serious...and if we can at least stop murdering other countries I will vote for him.
You piss me off. that might happen but highly likely to go the other way too. You cry about minimum wage is to high and employers and workers have guns to there head because the can't bargain a lower payment. I don't need the goverment babysitting me. Im sure people will die,etc. but who's to say they won't anyway. School is a waste a time you said also which i believe, just wasting good farmers.
@stefbot : I was born in a communist country and there was NOTHING private before. Later, there was this process they called "privatization": the state owned companies were sold to individuals. You could buy shares, the business continued. It doesn't mean you close down the post and nobody gets the checks. You simply sell it and allow competition. I don't understand why are you talking about starving people who don't get checks, about closed schools...
im a little cofused, my understanding is that ron paul wants to eliminate huge sections of the govt, ie federal reserve, military bases around the world, epa, dea ect. you assume that privatisation of the post office will create strikes, reference why please. you say old people are gonna starve, but private social security, rose 4x more than govt socsec. please reference where you get info about doe too please
how about massivelayoffs of governmetn workers, and massive growth in private markets, and massive prosperity lol yeah how about that u commy pessimist!!!!
Very silly man. morality is relative. And he babbles about the state. As if there is any other way of organizing a country. A lot of babbling....... no substance.... sounds like a typical politician.
@Twicebakedtaters yes morality is relative. so that means if I can bribe congress to pass a law that made it legal to kill u and rape ur wife, u would have no moral basis to prevent me to do so
@vtran31 " u would have no moral basis to prevent me to do so"
Of course I do. I would have the right to rape and kill you. Personally the rape thing does nothing for me but bullets are cheap and I would wager I am a better shot.
Ron Paul is the only one willing to bring our troops home and end the empire so people can get the federal programs they depend on. And let us opt out who want to be independent. And he speaks his mind and isn't bought and paid for. He makes too much sense for the averge American.
Critique # 1: If you privatize the USPS the checks could be sent via the private company, how stupid is it to suggest they wouldn't go out? Hell, send them via FedEx if needed. Private postal services would come into being and viola, problem solved. What a horribly bad argument. I guess it's good to bring up so that one can prepare for it and prevent it.
2. Teachers go on strike. Do what Reagan did, FIRE THEM and replace them.
3. Pvt Road vs trucks and chain protests? Enforce trespass laws duh
4. He doesn't say cut off welfare, he says get the federal gov't out of it.
5. Ever hear of Severance packages? They prevent all this crap you're talking about.
6. "It has never been done" is a crap argument. Nobody ever went to the moon, but we did.
7. Your pessimism about what will happen is crap, people will see the benefit of ending the drug war, ending fiat currency, ending the AMA and drug monopolies.
No, it was not a fiasco at all. The union thugs got their asses handed to them. "To the chagrin of the PATCO strikers, and the surprise of nearly everyone else, the FAA's contingency plan functioned smoothly, minimizing the strike's effects. Approximately 3,000 supervisors joined 2,000 non-striking controllers and 900 military controllers in manning airport towers." and "More than 45,000 people applied within four weeks of the strike's onset"
@NativeNewMexican sorry. didnt define my view of fiasco. it just carried a lot of news coverage and unless the government did things just right, we would have all been screwed.
that's probably another reason people liked reagan so much - he actually knew what he was doing
@NativeNewMexican yea but this was the cold war too. paranoia over a corrupt and weak/inefficeint economy made us do some stupid shit (other than the fact that they had nukes, virtually all perceptions of soviet strength were simply false fear mongering)
I think he'd be more like ron paul if he was alive today.........
@vtran31 to clarify, I meant that the government WAS big back then. but if government was not large and anarchist elements and social darwinism reigned, how do you keep crap like strikes and employee abuse from happening?
Reagan was able shut down the labor strikes for one reason: the strikes were unpopular and he was.
I, for one, do not accept social darwinism as being applicable to me. That being said: strikes will happen, and when the laborer's value (productivity etc.) justifies higher wages, they will be paid. Some companies may close shop because of poorly thought out strikes, it will evolve, and people will get better at it.
Employee abuse is far more likely having a guy with a gun (gov't).
@NativeNewMexican the job market is pure social darwinism. unions do nothing more than take money and power away from companies and give it to the unions. your biological cells also employ social darwinism
there will always be a guy with a gun. whether it's government, unions, companies, or an actual guy with a gun
The job market isn't social Darwinism. It's called free trade, and it benefits both, they are not opponents seeing one die when the other one succeeds. I trade my labor for something. If I value that something more valuable than my labor, I trade, if I don't, I don't. If the employer values my labor more than the something they're paying me, they trade, if they don't, they don't. Both of us profit from the exchange, BTW, creating wealth.
@NativeNewMexican competition is social darwinism. US is competing against china is competing against india. u are competing against coworkers for more $ and more prestige and more promotions. companies compete to make cheaper products for greater profit (otherwise known as monetary distortion). we are competing for money, and we benefit when others lose ground. the fact that we create tribes for self preservation is simply an added artifice to the social darwin concept
I am not competing with my co-workers in any shape or form. I make the websites, they contribute content, or manage the servers, or negotiate contracts, or advertise, and on and on.
The US is not competing with China or India, if you extend your thought beyond the obvious, "thay'r tekkin er jyaabs" mindset. Each is trying to fulfill demand, and if they both try to fill the same demand, there's competition. The fact is that demand is unlimited, so each will find its niche if left be.
@NativeNewMexican ok fine the idea of country competition is quite retarded. politicians still espouse it though and implement policies that subsidize american jobs (take farming for example)
yes, with 6 billion people and unlimited wants, demand is probably unlimited. and society is moving more towards a mutualistic social bargaining style.
@vtran31 Absolutely! politicians use guns to prevent free trade and redistribute wealth, and in the case of farming, it's one of the most detrimental things we have ever done. How can an obvious opportunity for farm workers in Africa get work when a farm would have to compete with nearly free corn, wheat, etc.
I don't know if it takes more than 2 people to have unlimited demands. If I have something, you want it too, if we both have the same, I want more, cuz I'm competitive. :)
@NativeNewMexican yea big farm subsidies coincided with the decline of small farms and the rise of megalith corporations. unless u are jonathan kent on smallville, the idea of a small town farmer doesnt exist anymore. Does africa have farms? I mean its pretty arid there......... but yes, americo-centricism is so woefully flawed ethically - the majority of humans live on less than 5 dollars a day. its simply self interest masked as tribalism masked as empathy.
Respond to this video... yes, glad we agree too. apologies for the confrontational debate style. I intentionally say dumb stuff and obfuscate facts to draw people out into stupid positions (tends to work since people are more interested in defending their ego than truth discovery)
u must not be an american...................... or u just hope for audacity :-P
Africa could have, and did have huge amounts of farming, gov't policies there and here destroyed the land and/or the profit motive and pricing system.
@NativeNewMexican that I did not know. however, its america's and europe's fault africa is so fucked up. I dont blame their corrupt governemnts for the bloodybaths that elect monstrosities - I blame us
but if the land is destroyed, how can they farm??
@NativeNewMexican not argueing whether land renewal projects are feasible, simply dont know anything about the topic and doubt it would be successful in africa, due to their poverty and corrupt and violent governments
thanks for the history level though
and gandhi endorsed government. indian government. which also uses guns
@NativeNewMexican really I was just using convoluted arguments to state a simple fact- in the marketplace, sellers want to make the most profit, and consumers want to purchases the best products for the lowest price. if microsoft could get away with selling a computer for a million bucks they could and u would download movies illegally for free if u could. ergo, we are all social darwinists when it comes to money and goods and services
Social Darwinism has an implicit harm to it, voluntary cooperation, free trade includes none of it. Seeking to obtain the best price for a product is not an act of harm, it's an act of negotiation.
@NativeNewMexican social darwinism isnt do harm to others to steal from them. social darwinism is being concerned with your, and only your own best interest, however broadly defined. voluntary cooperation and the rest is so popular in the us because it generates the most income and other mechanisms like raqueteering will land u in jail
Social Darwinism: (noun) The theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.
@NativeNewMexican well then u live in an environment where competition b/w employees is not bred by management. not true in all places- particularly GE and all financial and banking firms.
but when u introduce scarcity, social darwnism arises. if u know the boss is going to fire half the staff in a month, u are going to work from hell to high water to look damn good so u dont lose your job - u might even play dirty to increase the chances your coworkes get fired
@vtran31 And, as we agreed in another thread, demand is unlimited, which means demand for labor is unlimited, and other constraints are why there is not more of a, "I'll just go do something else" response. So, who creates the scarcity of jobs? Almost always government.
@NativeNewMexican yes demand is unlimited with 6 billion people. but that is demand for goods and demand for the creation of goods. the two do not always align and simply demanding something doesnt make it good (I could have the demand to strangle a hooker to death, doesnt mean there should be a market for that)
government uses 3 things to constrain demand - tariffs, taxes, and regulation. some are needed- I dont want the oil rigs to explode in town and destroy everything. most, are not
Regulations aren't the exclusive purview of government. Contracts create regulations just fine without having a monopolistic abusive group of people with guns that skim and easily become corrupted, granting favors to friends.
@NativeNewMexican it wont prevent it. the regulation in theory will lessen the probability. the oil companies should be able to self regulate, as a lot of industries do. it didnt stop exxon mobil from exploding its rig but after the explosion, exxonmobil became a more ethical company out of neccessity (they are one of the major contributors (as in billions of dollars) to Stanfords renewable energy fun
The only reason people must follow them is that the people have sold themselves into servitude, licensing the coercive "must" to rule over us. That is what Stefan and I would see the world evolve beyond.
Howeber, the flip side is British petroleum. they obviously dont give a shit - and the way they pretend to be good people now is so painfully obvious (I subscribe to their facebook feed just for laughs. everyone comments on how much they suck)
the primary purpose of govt regu in this field is to fine the shit out of companies who cause oil spills. enough to cover environmental costs plus heavy punitive damages. we dont do that though so the lobbies win
First, the entire reason BP was out there is because of gov't regulation. Second, the gov't prevented so many lawsuits in this case and many others, preventing justice from being achieved. Third, if BP were worried about complying with insurance regulators and oversight, they would be far more focused because they can't be bought off and they cannot keep working without insurance.
@NativeNewMexican unions are distortion of market demand. the market isnt demanding high wages, this monolithic tribe of "union" is making false demands, forcing the company to choose between excess costs or no revenue.
which I am fine with in some cases. coal unions, writers unions, and other unions can demand whatever the hell they want, since otherwise the companies will give em the shaft
course I despise teacher unions in all forms. love teachers though
Unions are not a distortion of market demand, they are a group of "suppliers" that are attempting to use their exclusivity of "product" specialized labor as a cartel to increase the price of their "product". If their "product" is available from others, then the business owner can give their money to the others. After one unreasonable strike, I as a business owner would give in if there weren't any long term contracts, then hire new employees & fire the union members. It's negotiation.
@NativeNewMexican unions are distortions in the same way oligarchies and cartels are - just supply side instead of demand side
it effectively lumps all the employees into a single group and a group of stooges make demands for them, and threaten forced unemployment (strikes) if non is adhered
only an idiot would go into a business that has unions. the clearest example is how union demands drove the american car companies underground (though those companies have sucked since the 40's)
Ok, let's just get something straight. A union is not bad, as long as they have no ability to use violence to achieve their end. it's called collective bargaining, just as buyers can form collective buying power to get lower prices, laborers can collectively ask for more money. If they have skills that justify the wage, prices will rise, if they don't the job will become vacant or replacements made.
Respond to this video... unions dont care about the end user the customer. they simply want to give more goodies to their slaves so that they can keep those dues runnin in.
just try to quit a union sometime, and see how much fun they make ur lfe.........
I hate to break it to you, but nobody cares about the end user, the customer. We care about getting paid. We care about making sure that happens again, so the end user, caring about the person that pays us is an unfortunate side effect. If we could all be rich without consequence, without pleasing anyone (aka winning the lottery) we'd all do it.
Unions are a group of individuals to collaborate, nothing more. When they use force (including gov't) it's an aggregate of vile individuals.
Respond to this video... also unions do nothing more than raise costs for business owners. so the business owner has more incentive to ship their productions overseas where unions have less control
so if u support unions, u dont support american jobs. if u support unions, ur not a patriot
Yes, unions raise costs for business owners, and firing people that join unions and replacing them with non-union employees lowers costs. It's a market, where people can negotiate, and that's a good thing.
American jobs? That's such a short sighted misunderstanding of the world. If it's less expensive to make computer components in the US then they should be made in the US, if not, not.
@Twicebakedtaters .... so by that logic every single large corporation in america should be put under a gullotine. and how exactly does u being an american make u morally superior to other people. if u were alive in the 1850's u would have advocated slavery and racism
@Twicebakedtaters u said jobs should stay in america because we're american and non americans are evil and to not employ only americans is evil and should be treated with treason or death. thats the same tea party bs that is simply another attempt at veiled racism
ok so u are changing your tactic to an economic argument. so lets argue economics. every single american company can only employ americans. then by extension only chinese companies can employ chinese and so forth
@vtran31 but lets take the idiot of economic nationalism to the next step. immigrants arent american- they were born in other countries. so lets ship all the mexicans to mexico and all the chinks to china and make america white again. we need to ship all the blacks back to africa too
and all those fun electronics u have? those will be repossessed by japan cuz most electronics are made by japanese companies
yes my argument is retarded, but that is only because it is ur argument
@vtran31 Evil? WTF are you talking about? Learn to read. It is no coincidence that unemployment in this country has been caused by massive outsourcing. We have lost 9 million jobs in the last 12 years with an estimated 2 million more to leave by 2014. Do some actual research and think before you babble meaningless rhetoric.
@vtran31 To force companies to employ americans exclusively would be ignorant as your are demonstrating without thinking before you post.
Its simple math. If you have massive unemployment that is deteriorating your country not doing something about it is ignorant. this country can not compete with other countries low environmental standard, poor workers health standards, no medical, low wages. If you want a lower standard of living with poor infrastructure babble on.
Respond to this video... never said anything about gun monopolies. simply stated that those who have the guns make the rules. and u either follow the rules or your gray matter equals floor paste
@NativeNewMexican government enforces laws that theoretically help the common people. simply because no government has ever in history done this (with the exception of the scandanavians) doesnt mean the concept of government is flawed, simply that power corrupts
Voluntary cooperation theoretically helps the common people. simply because every instance ever in history has done this (with zero exceptions) doesn't mean the concept of government is logical.
Respond to this video... Ghandi didnt prove anything. he guilted the brits into leavin india alone by starving to death. their colonial empire was in collapse ever since US seceded, so no biggie. they couldnt use force to stop a hunger strike, because the moral outrage across the globe would have made the brits lose face. Ghandi's self interest was for india to govern india. social darwinism still holds.
P.S. india cant govern anything, let alone themselves
Did, or did not Gandhi change the rules without guns? That it was moral outrage blah blah blah and the subsequent inadequacies have no bearing on that fact.
@NativeNewMexican but govt is the only tribe that can use guns for force with impunity. there are other "guns" such as holding govt accoutnable, and firing their ass if they engage in incompetant and unethical actions. for example, the literal extention of stefan's philosophy of nonvoting is to convince every single american to not vote until there is endemic change in american politico. that would get attention and the occupy group should push that idea
And how often has anything like a "vote boycott" done anything of value? Never
Stef's enlightenment and evolving past gov't is great, but the opting out of voting is reprehensible unless there's not a candidate that you trust to do something good. I believe Ron Paul's anti-empire message, and if he wins, that saves lives, so I will vote for him. Period. I have no delusions that he is no more than another statist, but I cannot vote absent when it comes to saving lives.
Dude, you have a twisted sense of reality. If a job has a surplus of laborers as compared to the demand for the laborers the wages are low, and one of the ways in which it is negotiated is through collective action, aka unions. Nothing more, nothing less, as long as violence isn't used.
In the case of a postal strike: You would do what Prime Minister Steven Harper did this last summer, which was to order the workers of Air Canada and Canada Post back to work. Which was completely the wrong thing to do in my eyes.
How can you live freedom, when it doesn't exist ???... Ron Paul is the United States only chance for freedom... I disagree with your views... You need to take a triple dose of thioridazine and check into a hotel that has rooms with rubber walls... Stay in Canada, we don't want you here in the USA...
ron pauls intellectual base (mises institute) are basically all anarkists. ron paul uses the constitution because it convinces people. anarchy doesnt sell.
I agree, but it has to happen. We have monopoly money. Blood will be shed. It's a sad reality, I wish there was an easier way to fix this than to just rip off the bandage.
Question: @ 11:00 "This has all been done before." ?? WHAT has all been done before?? America has brought all troops home before?? Federal Reserve Fractional Reserve Fiat Central Banking system has been abolished before?? Ending the "Patriot" Act has been done before??? WHAT's The BETTER OPTION than RON PAUL RIGHT NOW??? Otherwise this just sounds like a bunch of clever theories.
Stefan discusses this in length on other videos. People have been replacing governments with smaller governments over and over through time. Every time it follows this path:
1. Gov't power is reduced/limited
2. Freeing up the market
3. Creating amazing wealth growth
4. Increasing taxes or viability of increased taxes
5. Increasing demand upon the gov't
6. Causing the gov't to expand to greater heights than ever achieved before.
@NativeNewMexican Yes I got that. But when there's a lot of cancer, it can never but cut all out over night. that will never happen over night. Ron Paul is a Dr, and has the recipe and cure to do so systematically. Its a step in the right direction. If Dr Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, there certainly will never be a cure for cancer... we all will die freedomless.
That is one way to look at it. Let me ask you, what if it's too late? What if the patient is terminal, and no matter which doctor we put in charge, it's game over? Should Ron Paul be the man that's in charge when the patient dies? What happens to the names "Libertarian" and "Free Market" when the "greatest country ever known" goes bankrupt and the blame is placed at Ron Paul's feet?
I will vote Ron Paul. I won't betray my brothers in jail for no reason, even if the cause is lost
This is all well and good, but there still is no better option for preserving what little freedoms we have left than electing Ron Paul for 2012. I'm hoping that Stefan's opinions have changed since 2007. It's Ron Paul or we're screwed. I'd rather have a Ron Paul than a civil war or worse. These are your options, people.
This is really the problem, isn't it then? Ron Paul would not get an inch from the Congress or Senate. It would be an extremely dysfunctional exercise in democracy. Gridlock, mass outcry, pure insanity.
I get this, and I know who/what the enemy is, but I need advice on what to do from here on out, instead of the drolly vague "wake up" motto. Give me a detailed step-by-step guide on what I can do to contribute.
He HAS proposed a solution. Don't indoctrinate children in the concept that being recipients of the "initiation of force" is their lot in life. To evolve our species to the point where we no longer believe in the "God" of the State.
Respond to this video... thats not a solution. that doesnt solve the problem of government using force to steal. it simply empowers the next generation to not take that crap. they might listen they might not. america might become a police state and then it wont matter - if u defy big brother, u die. Patriot act was first step, obamacare is the second, and as government grows, it will only get worse.
solution - LEAVE america and move to some european country. or canada.......
AFAIK, Stefan supports seafaring, if you insist it is immediate gratification.
It is a solution, it's a long term solution, one that may or may not work, the point is, he has proposed a solution which makes the statement, "He's never proposed a solution" a false statement.
Lots of truth, plenty of passion, a rather repetitive attempt at sucking on the famous RP money-bomb-teat - and yet, somehow shallow and empty. Don't get me wrong, well thought out, well argued, the weight of evidence and history, all that. What it's missing is hope and without hope we have feck all. Sure, maybe not out lifetime but what about our kids? Ron Paul could damage the state, showing people how the constitution alone couldn't restrain it, how they need to each be vigilant. Its a start.
I think that we have to end the war on drugs (war on inanimate objects) and the war on terrorism. Why won't some of Ron Paul's ideas work? Also, I will watch the rest of your videos on Ron Paul but who is a better candidate? Oh i just got to the part where you said: "we will never see freedom in our life times". This is very depressing. As a recent college grad the best job I have had is a waiter. Plus my freedom involves illegal activities. What do I do? Start growing my own crop of opium?
So are you saying that the government can't shrink? It can only become bigger and bigger? What I get from this video is that we are screwed and libertarianism won't work? I think the appeal of libertarianism of being the opposite of fascism. It gives us our freedoms back. I just don't understand libertarianism as the opposite of fascism. I wan't the US to stop becoming a complete nanny state. Ever since I started paying attention to politicos all I have seen is less and less freedom.
This is why Gary Johnson is smart to not call himself a libertarian. He knows that his pledges won't be pretty and will only smear the Libertarian label.
Listening to this, I get the impression that Stefan has never actually heard Ron Paul speak or read his books. Stefan strikes me as more interested in promoting himself than he is in promoting liberty. I see a charlatan here.
@stulando I tend to agree. I will try to listen to these (at least 4) videos to try understanding his logic. I don't see it yet. Ron Paul is the only US candidate that will drastically reduce government size. Stefan wants the whole thing abolished yesterday...not the best tactic imo. Oh, and we need some collective agreements to prevent wars (hence limited government). Banks should be competitive and highly regulated, don't we all agree on this by now?
And we continue waiting for a great man to lead us. The wait may be a long one. Ron Paul is not a great man. And since he's declared that he intends to end the federal reserve ensures that he will not receive any money from the ruling class, which controls the government and the media. Oh yeah, he also hates minorities. Just because he's NEW doesn't mean he's any GOOD.
metalfatigue217 2 days ago
I've not seen anything similar to Ron Paul in the past. And by your own logic, you are wrong about Ron Paul. He has a record of voting against gov't expansion, taxes, unbalanced budgets. He wants to end the Federal Reserve, champions competing currencies/sound money, civil liberties, and end the Income Tax. What politician/statist EVER wanted to end the Income Tax and replace it with Nothing? Sorry, you didn't convince me with your speculation.
razerfish 5 days ago
This is exactly why philosophers are so unpopular. They claim to know what's right, but they refuse to take a step in the right direction because they consider the step imperfect.
(More) liberty in our lifetime: RON PAUL 2012
Cornampoo 6 days ago
He does not understand Ron Paul. I do, however, understand from where he comes.
spanieaj 1 week ago
thats why its a revolution,its cyclical. if i was president i would disband government and wish the people the best of luck but i support the movement,the intention is good.
miserkocho 1 week ago
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when I was a marxist(some years ago), i used to talk just like Steven did in this video... huahuahuahua
paunocu666 2 weeks ago
stefan, remember that similar arguments are given for every moral revolution.
jaykgrey 2 weeks ago
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swsp69 2 weeks ago
I agree with you totally that those who try fix have dismally failed. With you in regards to Ron Paul. I do think we are fast coming to the point youth will leapfrog over all those stuck in their ways as youtube and the internet are connecting the minds of the global village. Its youth's innovative and creative ways, Would love see a movie being made of a courtcase of if the state is has the right to educate youth. it needs be smorgasbord of opportunity for each to follow up on their interests
HamOnCan 2 weeks ago
Points taken but I would hope a "slow and steady" transformation would take place. For example first start with allowing private companies such as FedEx and UPS to get into the first class delivery service while slowly closing post offices. Just a quick thought on this but something like that. I am with you though as far as "using the state to shrink the state." Has never happened so I agree that it won't happen. The people have to not support the state. Stop feeding the beast.
sambking 2 weeks ago
I'm a Ron Paul supporter and even I found this video interesting. I'm still voting for Ron though.
brianmo180 3 weeks ago
I didn't like you ever since you said "disaster"
CriticBot3000 3 weeks ago
FedEx and Ups deliver checks or do direct deposit? OMG strikes. A little bit of a leap Stef.
jkaupp8 3 weeks ago
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NimaSepassi 1 month ago
1. Ron Paul is not an Anarchist. (at least I don't think)
2. Anarcho Capitalists like Walter Block and Jacob Huebert realize that Politics will not end the State. They only say that it can be used as a platform for educating and defending the people from the State as much as possible.
3. Anarcho Capitalists who support Ron Paul can still support ideas like Counter-Economics to help end the State.
CloverfieldMonster95 1 month ago
Deal with the highly invested lobbying groups, their elite masters and their media propaganda arms FIRST before implementing change? That should hinder them from using their tools to foment the free range serfs from fighting their battles.
6of6 1 month ago
The slaves are being beaten through the drug laws and welfare and it has nothing too do with the color of your skin. Dependence is slavery!!
goldsmithstudent 1 month ago
The word you`re looking for, Stef, is actually a phrase called a "Catch-22."
vegetta00 1 month ago
Listening to you for 20 minutes and 10 seconds was the post painful thing I have ever done in my life. I was 'waaiiiittting' for a valid, intelligent point.
macengaction 1 month ago
@macengaction The point is, you cannot end the reform the state from within. You cannot fight fire with fire. You cannot oppose the tools of the state by using the tools of the state. The same way you cannot join the mafia and turn it into a charity organization. The state is the sum of the people controlling it (statists). You cannot drive people from statism by becoming a statist. You cannot convince ppl that god doesn`t exist by believing participating in the religion.
vegetta00 1 month ago
The fact that this video was disliked more than liked says that a lot of people out there are deluded retarded jealous cunts who are jealous of this mans intellect and could not and do not understand the first thing about reason and empirical evidence. Slavery, religion and Justin Bieber is all they deserve.
scold22 1 month ago
Battlestar Galactica for the win!
QuatFax 1 month ago
As a slave, I want to be beaten by my master on a less regular basis if my other option is being beaten on a more regular basis. Thus, if I have the option of Ron Paul being president vs other democrat or republican being in power, the choice is obviously having Ron Paul in power. In both cases I am assuming I don't have to put any time or resources into the making the choice come to fruition. So having Ron Paul in power is comparatively still better, and better is better is better.
Nekhtenebo 1 month ago
@Nekhtenebo But I think the point is that putting Ron Paul in power isn't worth your effort. Sure, you can go down to the polls and vote for him, but it doesn't make sense to devote time, effort, and money to it.
QuatFax 1 month ago
Stef was right in 2007. In 2011 Paultards are still as delusional as ever.
ingyinginging 1 month ago
It sounds like he is describing a financial collapse as a reason to not elect Ron Paul. My simple retort is this, who do you want signing bills when there is a financial collapse? I am assuming there will be a collapse no matter who gets elected. A freedom loving, individual rights supporting person, a liberal democrat, or a neocon republican?
Post office on strike is not the end of the world. Send checks using fedex or UPS.
DrReaper 1 month ago
stef was right years ago. RP supporters engage in magical thinking.
the proposition truly is as simple as, "join the mafia to turn it good."
any rebuttal is equivalent to changing words around and hoping for the best. any success in shrinking the state (HAH) ends in more revenue for the state to use for continued growth.
WorthlessCurrency 1 month ago
1. Post off office is allowed in const. 2. Fed dept of ed sets standards. They don't hire teachers. State and local govts hire teachers and have taxes. 3. We need the Irs to enforce a highly complex and long tax code to fund war and corporate welfare? 4. That's as far as I got before I couldn't listen to anymore. Wow. This is a great video to prove why we need Ron Paul.
mrdayer84 1 month ago
This is the most pathetic attempt to discredit Ron Paul I've ever heard.
mrdayer84 1 month ago
let me try to summarize what you are saying. Authority has to flow from top to bottom. We have the reverse. Kids run the house kids run the school and employees tell the owner what to do. States rights is bad policy. Somebody has to be in charge.
seeker425 1 month ago
no force is great. i would like to have a back up plan. aka... military.
a military thats not a big gun pointed at everyone in the world.
but a military thats like a lock on my home's front door. Security system would be cool too.
someone comes to mess with us. the alarm is sounded and the lock helps keep them out.
this gives us time to drop our pimary job and joint the military to end the problem.
teamJRism 1 month ago
Education: Deptment of Ed. Is all bureaucrats. They don't buy books. They don't teach students. They only set policy and hand out free money to schools that apply for the grants. 100% of the schools that receive money form the federal government do not need the moeny. Dept of Ed also controls college student grants and loans. Tuition prices are high because governemnt hands out free money to students. Tuition price will drop.
teamJRism 1 month ago
Ron Paul doesn't want to privatization the Post Office. It's in the Constitution.
He will cut the budget. If we simply stop hiring people the % of the beast (relative to the population) will decrease.
Anyway privatization doesn't mean everyone would be fired or strike. If you lay-off 30% of the people to increase productivity. Simply give a 5-10% raise to the other 70%. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't strike. If in some areas people strike just hire new people!
teamJRism 1 month ago
I like Ron Paul but I see your point. The state will ultimately destroy the USA.
1977Melville 1 month ago
@1977Melville. the "state" is the USA. United "States" of America. haha... silly. This dude doesn't want any government.
teamJRism 1 month ago
USA will be destroyed by the state? the state is USA. United States of America.
this dude want to destroy the state... All states. He hates the USA.
teamJRism 1 month ago
@teamJRism your use of the word "hate" is telling. stef cares about truth... "the initiation of violent force is immoral" is a truth statement and when applied consistently this truth necessitates abolishment of government
WorthlessCurrency 1 month ago
@WorthlessCurrency Should I use "dislike" instead of "hate"? Ur world of black n white pure logic dislike n hate are equal. Can't speak out against gov farms AND "like" USA.
I understand what he said. Most of us are just one step beyond and realize gov is a necessary evil. With no military things get pretty bad. Look at Japan vs China in WW2. Chinese were slaughtered, conquered and slaughtered somemore. US constitution has a good balance. Currently USA doesn't follow our constitution.
teamJRism 1 month ago
The word you were looking for is actually two words for when you intend to do one thing and get the exact opposite+ in the -category =Epic Fail
AuditTheFed2009 1 month ago
It doesn't have to be so violent or difficult like how you describe. Besides how much longer can this continue? Like I said they have record debts and unstable size. You make it sound like the change would be so bad but look at how bad things are now and getting worse from the growing wars, police state to worsening economy. Anyways I do agree with your point about personal action and I think it would be interesting if you debated with Ron Paul.
Shaunt1 1 month ago
Let me also briefly explain how we could do things like eliminate the departments of education, homeland security, IRS, Federal Reserve etc. The parts of value would be replaced by private versions and competition. While for things like taxes wouldn't need to be replaced at all. The people who work in the parts being eliminated would simply have to make a change but it's doable. Think of it like a company going bankrupt because that's also what the U.S. government is like now.
Shaunt1 1 month ago
I know this video is old now but I disagree with some of what you say here. First off the fact that you doubt something is possible is your own limitation. Yes people may have failed in the past but eventually things happen. It also sounds like you're creating a self fulfilling prophecy, and if enough others did the same this would be true. Yes there would likely be issues if and when we attempted to truly reduce the size of our governments but that doesn't mean it's not doable.
Shaunt1 1 month ago
one day all transactions will be electronic. all mail email. I get your point and agree, but I foresee a future where the post office as a necessary service of the state is obsolete.
lordzombie 1 month ago
It's a huge disapointment to see Stef be against the ideas of Ron Paul.
Ron Paul has never talked about changing goverment overnight.
Ron Paul is 100% bent on ending the FED and is one of the only once that mean this seiously.
Eventhow Stef is libertarian just like Ron Paul then Stef has a more privatly way to solve this. But we can't only deal with this in private. It's only gonna be a small groupe of people supporting liberty but the vast majority will continue.
CowboyDoug38 1 month ago
I support Ron because he supports the U.S not screwing with other countries and pulling out completely. The government is bullcrap anyway, after voting for Obama and him doing a horrible job I don't believe anything any of them say...but Ron seems serious...and if we can at least stop murdering other countries I will vote for him.
TheKenTerry 1 month ago
You piss me off. that might happen but highly likely to go the other way too. You cry about minimum wage is to high and employers and workers have guns to there head because the can't bargain a lower payment. I don't need the goverment babysitting me. Im sure people will die,etc. but who's to say they won't anyway. School is a waste a time you said also which i believe, just wasting good farmers.
kirbypete 2 months ago
@stefbot : I was born in a communist country and there was NOTHING private before. Later, there was this process they called "privatization": the state owned companies were sold to individuals. You could buy shares, the business continued. It doesn't mean you close down the post and nobody gets the checks. You simply sell it and allow competition. I don't understand why are you talking about starving people who don't get checks, about closed schools...
LibertyPenSK 2 months ago
im a little cofused, my understanding is that ron paul wants to eliminate huge sections of the govt, ie federal reserve, military bases around the world, epa, dea ect. you assume that privatisation of the post office will create strikes, reference why please. you say old people are gonna starve, but private social security, rose 4x more than govt socsec. please reference where you get info about doe too please
deathSSghost 2 months ago
I'm a big fan of Ron Paul since he is the only semi-libertarian politician out there. Well, the most influental at least.
But I understand and agree with this speech and I like the final.
johanfromsweden 2 months ago
now im desperate^^
WerSeidIhrDenn2 2 months ago
The postal workers would just go to work for the new private post office.
dwanedelana 2 months ago
If you have failed to realize that the government is a professional criminal class you are doing it wrong. Epic failure.
arion45 2 months ago
I disagree.
3o4Titties 2 months ago
if its useless to vote for ron paul. if its useless to try to do the right thing then why do you even speak as you do?
ELTONSMELLTON 2 months ago
rejecting state doesn't work what is this craziness
bootiack 2 months ago
how have no government?
bootiack 2 months ago
ron reagan is what we want
bootiack 2 months ago
how about massivelayoffs of governmetn workers, and massive growth in private markets, and massive prosperity lol yeah how about that u commy pessimist!!!!
bootiack 2 months ago
maybe guys 100s years ago were not genius
bootiack 2 months ago
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no ron paul wants lower size of government
bootiack 2 months ago
end unions and privatize
bootiack 2 months ago
you are a defeatist
bootiack 2 months ago
yes shoot lots of workers ande teachers sloter them pile them 10 deep
bootiack 2 months ago
whats the solution???????
bootiack 2 months ago
end public education
bootiack 2 months ago
cut they key outa farmer
bootiack 2 months ago
canada is not the USA
bootiack 2 months ago
so its useless to do anything????????
bootiack 2 months ago
dude u lost me
bootiack 2 months ago
salugher the post office dooshes
bootiack 2 months ago
sloter the post office workers, and have blackwater guard buildings as temps do it
bootiack 2 months ago
had hope, now see you don't like ron paul, I will listen to rest, and hope u have better solution, hope!!
bootiack 2 months ago
Very silly man. morality is relative. And he babbles about the state. As if there is any other way of organizing a country. A lot of babbling....... no substance.... sounds like a typical politician.
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
@Twicebakedtaters yes morality is relative. so that means if I can bribe congress to pass a law that made it legal to kill u and rape ur wife, u would have no moral basis to prevent me to do so
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 " u would have no moral basis to prevent me to do so"
Of course I do. I would have the right to rape and kill you. Personally the rape thing does nothing for me but bullets are cheap and I would wager I am a better shot.
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
Ron Paul is the only one willing to bring our troops home and end the empire so people can get the federal programs they depend on. And let us opt out who want to be independent. And he speaks his mind and isn't bought and paid for. He makes too much sense for the averge American.
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BigNeonGlitterGirl 3 months ago
Critique # 1: If you privatize the USPS the checks could be sent via the private company, how stupid is it to suggest they wouldn't go out? Hell, send them via FedEx if needed. Private postal services would come into being and viola, problem solved. What a horribly bad argument. I guess it's good to bring up so that one can prepare for it and prevent it.
2. Teachers go on strike. Do what Reagan did, FIRE THEM and replace them.
3. Pvt Road vs trucks and chain protests? Enforce trespass laws duh
NativeNewMexican 3 months ago
4. He doesn't say cut off welfare, he says get the federal gov't out of it.
5. Ever hear of Severance packages? They prevent all this crap you're talking about.
6. "It has never been done" is a crap argument. Nobody ever went to the moon, but we did.
7. Your pessimism about what will happen is crap, people will see the benefit of ending the drug war, ending fiat currency, ending the AMA and drug monopolies.
NativeNewMexican 3 months ago
@NativeNewMexican wait reagan fired teachers and hired BETTER ones?
I have all new kinds of love for the man............
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31 No, Reagan's thing was the air traffic controllers.
NativeNewMexican 3 months ago
@NativeNewMexican ......... so who fired the teachers? or did that never happen?
yea I remember the air traffic things........ everyone says it was pretty much a fiasco
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31
No, it was not a fiasco at all. The union thugs got their asses handed to them. "To the chagrin of the PATCO strikers, and the surprise of nearly everyone else, the FAA's contingency plan functioned smoothly, minimizing the strike's effects. Approximately 3,000 supervisors joined 2,000 non-striking controllers and 900 military controllers in manning airport towers." and "More than 45,000 people applied within four weeks of the strike's onset"
The same would happen to teachers.
NativeNewMexican 3 months ago
@NativeNewMexican sorry. didnt define my view of fiasco. it just carried a lot of news coverage and unless the government did things just right, we would have all been screwed.
that's probably another reason people liked reagan so much - he actually knew what he was doing
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31
Reagan had his moments, but overall he was quite the statist himself and increased the size and power of gov't more than most presidents.
NativeNewMexican 3 months ago
@NativeNewMexican yea but this was the cold war too. paranoia over a corrupt and weak/inefficeint economy made us do some stupid shit (other than the fact that they had nukes, virtually all perceptions of soviet strength were simply false fear mongering)
I think he'd be more like ron paul if he was alive today.........
vtran31 3 months ago
.... so if government wasnt so big, how could reagan of shut down the labor strikes?
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31 to clarify, I meant that the government WAS big back then. but if government was not large and anarchist elements and social darwinism reigned, how do you keep crap like strikes and employee abuse from happening?
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31
Reagan was able shut down the labor strikes for one reason: the strikes were unpopular and he was.
I, for one, do not accept social darwinism as being applicable to me. That being said: strikes will happen, and when the laborer's value (productivity etc.) justifies higher wages, they will be paid. Some companies may close shop because of poorly thought out strikes, it will evolve, and people will get better at it.
Employee abuse is far more likely having a guy with a gun (gov't).
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican the job market is pure social darwinism. unions do nothing more than take money and power away from companies and give it to the unions. your biological cells also employ social darwinism
there will always be a guy with a gun. whether it's government, unions, companies, or an actual guy with a gun
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
The job market isn't social Darwinism. It's called free trade, and it benefits both, they are not opponents seeing one die when the other one succeeds. I trade my labor for something. If I value that something more valuable than my labor, I trade, if I don't, I don't. If the employer values my labor more than the something they're paying me, they trade, if they don't, they don't. Both of us profit from the exchange, BTW, creating wealth.
You want a monopoly on guns, that works poorly
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican competition is social darwinism. US is competing against china is competing against india. u are competing against coworkers for more $ and more prestige and more promotions. companies compete to make cheaper products for greater profit (otherwise known as monetary distortion). we are competing for money, and we benefit when others lose ground. the fact that we create tribes for self preservation is simply an added artifice to the social darwin concept
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
I am not competing with my co-workers in any shape or form. I make the websites, they contribute content, or manage the servers, or negotiate contracts, or advertise, and on and on.
The US is not competing with China or India, if you extend your thought beyond the obvious, "thay'r tekkin er jyaabs" mindset. Each is trying to fulfill demand, and if they both try to fill the same demand, there's competition. The fact is that demand is unlimited, so each will find its niche if left be.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican ok fine the idea of country competition is quite retarded. politicians still espouse it though and implement policies that subsidize american jobs (take farming for example)
yes, with 6 billion people and unlimited wants, demand is probably unlimited. and society is moving more towards a mutualistic social bargaining style.
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 Absolutely! politicians use guns to prevent free trade and redistribute wealth, and in the case of farming, it's one of the most detrimental things we have ever done. How can an obvious opportunity for farm workers in Africa get work when a farm would have to compete with nearly free corn, wheat, etc.
I don't know if it takes more than 2 people to have unlimited demands. If I have something, you want it too, if we both have the same, I want more, cuz I'm competitive. :)
Glad we agree.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican yea big farm subsidies coincided with the decline of small farms and the rise of megalith corporations. unless u are jonathan kent on smallville, the idea of a small town farmer doesnt exist anymore. Does africa have farms? I mean its pretty arid there......... but yes, americo-centricism is so woefully flawed ethically - the majority of humans live on less than 5 dollars a day. its simply self interest masked as tribalism masked as empathy.
vtran31 2 months ago
Respond to this video... yes, glad we agree too. apologies for the confrontational debate style. I intentionally say dumb stuff and obfuscate facts to draw people out into stupid positions (tends to work since people are more interested in defending their ego than truth discovery)
u must not be an american...................... or u just hope for audacity :-P
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Africa could have, and did have huge amounts of farming, gov't policies there and here destroyed the land and/or the profit motive and pricing system.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican that I did not know. however, its america's and europe's fault africa is so fucked up. I dont blame their corrupt governemnts for the bloodybaths that elect monstrosities - I blame us
but if the land is destroyed, how can they farm??
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Land reclamation is a well documented and successful strategy in America's dust bowl.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican not argueing whether land renewal projects are feasible, simply dont know anything about the topic and doubt it would be successful in africa, due to their poverty and corrupt and violent governments
thanks for the history level though
and gandhi endorsed government. indian government. which also uses guns
vtran31 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican really I was just using convoluted arguments to state a simple fact- in the marketplace, sellers want to make the most profit, and consumers want to purchases the best products for the lowest price. if microsoft could get away with selling a computer for a million bucks they could and u would download movies illegally for free if u could. ergo, we are all social darwinists when it comes to money and goods and services
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Social Darwinism has an implicit harm to it, voluntary cooperation, free trade includes none of it. Seeking to obtain the best price for a product is not an act of harm, it's an act of negotiation.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican social darwinism isnt do harm to others to steal from them. social darwinism is being concerned with your, and only your own best interest, however broadly defined. voluntary cooperation and the rest is so popular in the us because it generates the most income and other mechanisms like raqueteering will land u in jail
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Social Darwinism: (noun) The theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.
Free trade capitalist anarchism is not this.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican well then u live in an environment where competition b/w employees is not bred by management. not true in all places- particularly GE and all financial and banking firms.
but when u introduce scarcity, social darwnism arises. if u know the boss is going to fire half the staff in a month, u are going to work from hell to high water to look damn good so u dont lose your job - u might even play dirty to increase the chances your coworkes get fired
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 And, as we agreed in another thread, demand is unlimited, which means demand for labor is unlimited, and other constraints are why there is not more of a, "I'll just go do something else" response. So, who creates the scarcity of jobs? Almost always government.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican yes demand is unlimited with 6 billion people. but that is demand for goods and demand for the creation of goods. the two do not always align and simply demanding something doesnt make it good (I could have the demand to strangle a hooker to death, doesnt mean there should be a market for that)
government uses 3 things to constrain demand - tariffs, taxes, and regulation. some are needed- I dont want the oil rigs to explode in town and destroy everything. most, are not
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Regulations aren't the exclusive purview of government. Contracts create regulations just fine without having a monopolistic abusive group of people with guns that skim and easily become corrupted, granting favors to friends.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@vtran31
By the way, how's that gov't regulation to prevent exploding oil rigs doing for ya?
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican it wont prevent it. the regulation in theory will lessen the probability. the oil companies should be able to self regulate, as a lot of industries do. it didnt stop exxon mobil from exploding its rig but after the explosion, exxonmobil became a more ethical company out of neccessity (they are one of the major contributors (as in billions of dollars) to Stanfords renewable energy fun
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
You do know that it's the US gov't that prohibits certain lawsuits for property damage, it's gov't that prohibits competition by insurers, etc.
Gov't regulation is a lie, it doesn't happen, it's rife with corruption, it bears no risk if it screws up.
I am confused by your post, I don't see how it's relevant to what I said.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican government instates rules that people must follow. that is regulation. I never said it was fair or justified. just that it is
vtran31 2 months ago
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@vtran31
The only reason people must follow them is that the people have sold themselves into servitude, licensing the coercive "must" to rule over us. That is what Stefan and I would see the world evolve beyond.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Respond to this video...
Howeber, the flip side is British petroleum. they obviously dont give a shit - and the way they pretend to be good people now is so painfully obvious (I subscribe to their facebook feed just for laughs. everyone comments on how much they suck)
the primary purpose of govt regu in this field is to fine the shit out of companies who cause oil spills. enough to cover environmental costs plus heavy punitive damages. we dont do that though so the lobbies win
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
First, the entire reason BP was out there is because of gov't regulation. Second, the gov't prevented so many lawsuits in this case and many others, preventing justice from being achieved. Third, if BP were worried about complying with insurance regulators and oversight, they would be far more focused because they can't be bought off and they cannot keep working without insurance.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican unions are distortion of market demand. the market isnt demanding high wages, this monolithic tribe of "union" is making false demands, forcing the company to choose between excess costs or no revenue.
which I am fine with in some cases. coal unions, writers unions, and other unions can demand whatever the hell they want, since otherwise the companies will give em the shaft
course I despise teacher unions in all forms. love teachers though
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Unions are not a distortion of market demand, they are a group of "suppliers" that are attempting to use their exclusivity of "product" specialized labor as a cartel to increase the price of their "product". If their "product" is available from others, then the business owner can give their money to the others. After one unreasonable strike, I as a business owner would give in if there weren't any long term contracts, then hire new employees & fire the union members. It's negotiation.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican unions are distortions in the same way oligarchies and cartels are - just supply side instead of demand side
it effectively lumps all the employees into a single group and a group of stooges make demands for them, and threaten forced unemployment (strikes) if non is adhered
only an idiot would go into a business that has unions. the clearest example is how union demands drove the american car companies underground (though those companies have sucked since the 40's)
vtran31 2 months ago
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Ok, let's just get something straight. A union is not bad, as long as they have no ability to use violence to achieve their end. it's called collective bargaining, just as buyers can form collective buying power to get lower prices, laborers can collectively ask for more money. If they have skills that justify the wage, prices will rise, if they don't the job will become vacant or replacements made.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Respond to this video... unions dont care about the end user the customer. they simply want to give more goodies to their slaves so that they can keep those dues runnin in.
just try to quit a union sometime, and see how much fun they make ur lfe.........
vtran31 2 months ago
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I hate to break it to you, but nobody cares about the end user, the customer. We care about getting paid. We care about making sure that happens again, so the end user, caring about the person that pays us is an unfortunate side effect. If we could all be rich without consequence, without pleasing anyone (aka winning the lottery) we'd all do it.
Unions are a group of individuals to collaborate, nothing more. When they use force (including gov't) it's an aggregate of vile individuals.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Respond to this video... also unions do nothing more than raise costs for business owners. so the business owner has more incentive to ship their productions overseas where unions have less control
so if u support unions, u dont support american jobs. if u support unions, ur not a patriot
vtran31 2 months ago
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Yes, unions raise costs for business owners, and firing people that join unions and replacing them with non-union employees lowers costs. It's a market, where people can negotiate, and that's a good thing.
American jobs? That's such a short sighted misunderstanding of the world. If it's less expensive to make computer components in the US then they should be made in the US, if not, not.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@vtran31 If you move jobs over seas, your not a patriot or an american and are committing treason.
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
@Twicebakedtaters .... so by that logic every single large corporation in america should be put under a gullotine. and how exactly does u being an american make u morally superior to other people. if u were alive in the 1850's u would have advocated slavery and racism
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 Morality has nothing to do with it. Outsourcing lowers the standard of living, Its simple mathematics.
Slavery and racism? wtf are you babbling about?
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
@Twicebakedtaters u said jobs should stay in america because we're american and non americans are evil and to not employ only americans is evil and should be treated with treason or death. thats the same tea party bs that is simply another attempt at veiled racism
ok so u are changing your tactic to an economic argument. so lets argue economics. every single american company can only employ americans. then by extension only chinese companies can employ chinese and so forth
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 but lets take the idiot of economic nationalism to the next step. immigrants arent american- they were born in other countries. so lets ship all the mexicans to mexico and all the chinks to china and make america white again. we need to ship all the blacks back to africa too
and all those fun electronics u have? those will be repossessed by japan cuz most electronics are made by japanese companies
yes my argument is retarded, but that is only because it is ur argument
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 Immigrants that legally enter our country become citizens. We limit the number we allow into the country for practical economic reasons.
I possess a computer and a tv. Imports and exports are regulated again, for obvious practical economic reasons.
"yes my argument is retarded" You are rhetorical with no substance, parroting Stefan.
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
@vtran31 Evil? WTF are you talking about? Learn to read. It is no coincidence that unemployment in this country has been caused by massive outsourcing. We have lost 9 million jobs in the last 12 years with an estimated 2 million more to leave by 2014. Do some actual research and think before you babble meaningless rhetoric.
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
@vtran31 To force companies to employ americans exclusively would be ignorant as your are demonstrating without thinking before you post.
Its simple math. If you have massive unemployment that is deteriorating your country not doing something about it is ignorant. this country can not compete with other countries low environmental standard, poor workers health standards, no medical, low wages. If you want a lower standard of living with poor infrastructure babble on.
Twicebakedtaters 2 months ago
Respond to this video... never said anything about gun monopolies. simply stated that those who have the guns make the rules. and u either follow the rules or your gray matter equals floor paste
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Another misconception. Ghandi proved you wrong, as have many others. If you endorse government, you endorse gun monopolies.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican government enforces laws that theoretically help the common people. simply because no government has ever in history done this (with the exception of the scandanavians) doesnt mean the concept of government is flawed, simply that power corrupts
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
Voluntary cooperation theoretically helps the common people. simply because every instance ever in history has done this (with zero exceptions) doesn't mean the concept of government is logical.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Respond to this video... Ghandi didnt prove anything. he guilted the brits into leavin india alone by starving to death. their colonial empire was in collapse ever since US seceded, so no biggie. they couldnt use force to stop a hunger strike, because the moral outrage across the globe would have made the brits lose face. Ghandi's self interest was for india to govern india. social darwinism still holds.
P.S. india cant govern anything, let alone themselves
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
"Those who have the guns make the rules."
Did, or did not Gandhi change the rules without guns? That it was moral outrage blah blah blah and the subsequent inadequacies have no bearing on that fact.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican I dont mean guns as in LITERAL guns. I mean it as a metaphor for those who have power use that power to control other people
gandhi used the "gun" of passive aggressive nonviolence to force the brits hand and make them abandon a wildly dispopular policy choice.
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
I meant guns as LITERAL guns.
What, by the way, is the method of the power that every single government uses to control people? Literal guns.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican but govt is the only tribe that can use guns for force with impunity. there are other "guns" such as holding govt accoutnable, and firing their ass if they engage in incompetant and unethical actions. for example, the literal extention of stefan's philosophy of nonvoting is to convince every single american to not vote until there is endemic change in american politico. that would get attention and the occupy group should push that idea
that is a gun just as powerful
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
And how often has anything like a "vote boycott" done anything of value? Never
Stef's enlightenment and evolving past gov't is great, but the opting out of voting is reprehensible unless there's not a candidate that you trust to do something good. I believe Ron Paul's anti-empire message, and if he wins, that saves lives, so I will vote for him. Period. I have no delusions that he is no more than another statist, but I cannot vote absent when it comes to saving lives.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
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Dude, you have a twisted sense of reality. If a job has a surplus of laborers as compared to the demand for the laborers the wages are low, and one of the ways in which it is negotiated is through collective action, aka unions. Nothing more, nothing less, as long as violence isn't used.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Anarchy is the only moral choice!
StandingWithJason 3 months ago
In the case of a postal strike: You would do what Prime Minister Steven Harper did this last summer, which was to order the workers of Air Canada and Canada Post back to work. Which was completely the wrong thing to do in my eyes.
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whiff1962 4 months ago
How can you live freedom, when it doesn't exist ???... Ron Paul is the United States only chance for freedom... I disagree with your views... You need to take a triple dose of thioridazine and check into a hotel that has rooms with rubber walls... Stay in Canada, we don't want you here in the USA...
gordyowens 4 months ago
ron pauls intellectual base (mises institute) are basically all anarkists. ron paul uses the constitution because it convinces people. anarchy doesnt sell.
rolgorevene 4 months ago
"We will not see freedom in our lifetime. You just have to accept that."
niffink 4 months ago in playlist Stefan Molyneux
I agree, but it has to happen. We have monopoly money. Blood will be shed. It's a sad reality, I wish there was an easier way to fix this than to just rip off the bandage.
sougume 4 months ago
k. most of these things just seem like silly Devil's Advocate type of points and questions..
alCIAdadidit 4 months ago
I think this guy just likes to talk and sound smart. He's not changing anything anymore than Ron Paul is.
alCIAdadidit 4 months ago
Question: @ 11:00 "This has all been done before." ?? WHAT has all been done before?? America has brought all troops home before?? Federal Reserve Fractional Reserve Fiat Central Banking system has been abolished before?? Ending the "Patriot" Act has been done before??? WHAT's The BETTER OPTION than RON PAUL RIGHT NOW??? Otherwise this just sounds like a bunch of clever theories.
alCIAdadidit 4 months ago
@alCIAdadidit
Stefan discusses this in length on other videos. People have been replacing governments with smaller governments over and over through time. Every time it follows this path:
1. Gov't power is reduced/limited
2. Freeing up the market
3. Creating amazing wealth growth
4. Increasing taxes or viability of increased taxes
5. Increasing demand upon the gov't
6. Causing the gov't to expand to greater heights than ever achieved before.
Cut the cancer out, why leave any to grow back?
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
@NativeNewMexican Yes I got that. But when there's a lot of cancer, it can never but cut all out over night. that will never happen over night. Ron Paul is a Dr, and has the recipe and cure to do so systematically. Its a step in the right direction. If Dr Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, there certainly will never be a cure for cancer... we all will die freedomless.
alCIAdadidit 2 months ago
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That is one way to look at it. Let me ask you, what if it's too late? What if the patient is terminal, and no matter which doctor we put in charge, it's game over? Should Ron Paul be the man that's in charge when the patient dies? What happens to the names "Libertarian" and "Free Market" when the "greatest country ever known" goes bankrupt and the blame is placed at Ron Paul's feet?
I will vote Ron Paul. I won't betray my brothers in jail for no reason, even if the cause is lost
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
This is all well and good, but there still is no better option for preserving what little freedoms we have left than electing Ron Paul for 2012. I'm hoping that Stefan's opinions have changed since 2007. It's Ron Paul or we're screwed. I'd rather have a Ron Paul than a civil war or worse. These are your options, people.
alCIAdadidit 4 months ago
This is really the problem, isn't it then? Ron Paul would not get an inch from the Congress or Senate. It would be an extremely dysfunctional exercise in democracy. Gridlock, mass outcry, pure insanity.
PurpleHoneyBear 4 months ago
What the hell are you talking about?
cailynsallure 4 months ago
I get this, and I know who/what the enemy is, but I need advice on what to do from here on out, instead of the drolly vague "wake up" motto. Give me a detailed step-by-step guide on what I can do to contribute.
swagglehorse 4 months ago 2
@swagglehorse he doesnt know. He's never proposed a solution - he just makes a REALLY good ethics and history teacher
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31
He HAS proposed a solution. Don't indoctrinate children in the concept that being recipients of the "initiation of force" is their lot in life. To evolve our species to the point where we no longer believe in the "God" of the State.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Respond to this video... thats not a solution. that doesnt solve the problem of government using force to steal. it simply empowers the next generation to not take that crap. they might listen they might not. america might become a police state and then it wont matter - if u defy big brother, u die. Patriot act was first step, obamacare is the second, and as government grows, it will only get worse.
solution - LEAVE america and move to some european country. or canada.......
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31
So, exchange one abusive master for another?
AFAIK, Stefan supports seafaring, if you insist it is immediate gratification.
It is a solution, it's a long term solution, one that may or may not work, the point is, he has proposed a solution which makes the statement, "He's never proposed a solution" a false statement.
NativeNewMexican 2 months ago
Lots of truth, plenty of passion, a rather repetitive attempt at sucking on the famous RP money-bomb-teat - and yet, somehow shallow and empty. Don't get me wrong, well thought out, well argued, the weight of evidence and history, all that. What it's missing is hope and without hope we have feck all. Sure, maybe not out lifetime but what about our kids? Ron Paul could damage the state, showing people how the constitution alone couldn't restrain it, how they need to each be vigilant. Its a start.
bigglyguy 4 months ago
A bit redundant and drawn out way too long but I agree with your argument.
spw317 4 months ago in playlist Stefan Molyneux
I think that we have to end the war on drugs (war on inanimate objects) and the war on terrorism. Why won't some of Ron Paul's ideas work? Also, I will watch the rest of your videos on Ron Paul but who is a better candidate? Oh i just got to the part where you said: "we will never see freedom in our life times". This is very depressing. As a recent college grad the best job I have had is a waiter. Plus my freedom involves illegal activities. What do I do? Start growing my own crop of opium?
TheWillIamLee87 5 months ago
So are you saying that the government can't shrink? It can only become bigger and bigger? What I get from this video is that we are screwed and libertarianism won't work? I think the appeal of libertarianism of being the opposite of fascism. It gives us our freedoms back. I just don't understand libertarianism as the opposite of fascism. I wan't the US to stop becoming a complete nanny state. Ever since I started paying attention to politicos all I have seen is less and less freedom.
TheWillIamLee87 5 months ago
This is why Gary Johnson is smart to not call himself a libertarian. He knows that his pledges won't be pretty and will only smear the Libertarian label.
erelpc 5 months ago
Listening to this, I get the impression that Stefan has never actually heard Ron Paul speak or read his books. Stefan strikes me as more interested in promoting himself than he is in promoting liberty. I see a charlatan here.
stulando 5 months ago 9
@stulando I tend to agree. I will try to listen to these (at least 4) videos to try understanding his logic. I don't see it yet. Ron Paul is the only US candidate that will drastically reduce government size. Stefan wants the whole thing abolished yesterday...not the best tactic imo. Oh, and we need some collective agreements to prevent wars (hence limited government). Banks should be competitive and highly regulated, don't we all agree on this by now?
mattyelle1 5 months ago