SAVATE Salle Wagram 03.05.1969

[00Jackacid]

karate,tkd, and mt are forms of kick boxing. you can get moves from them and use them. thats all that matters to me.

[sabinoson]

Nice video, but I wish it had sound.

[wayofmu]

How can asian martial arts copy savate which is not known in asia??? Savate, capoeira and taekwondo have some similar kicks. But the similarity of the kicks will be coincidence because there are no connections. Asian martial arts such as kungfu, karate are influenced by taekwondo. And taekwondo is influenced by taekkyun which is called flying kicks. Modern savate loves flying kicks. Probably modern savate is influenced by taekwondo like other asian martial arts.

[TheTaoofJKD]

@wayofmu Modern Savate is in no way shape or form influenced by TKD or any other Asian martial arts. Modern Savate is a mix of UK Boxing and the various foot-fighting techniques found in different cities in France and Italy alike. If you paid attention to the way Savate kicks are chambered it is nothing like a TKD kick. Don't compare TKD and Savate. TKD is an insult to martial arts the world over. It is gentirified and perverted. Savate has endured and has not been influenced by Asians arts.

[billysue2]

@TheTaoofJKD it has to be influenced by the asian arts since no european arts had any significant kicks and france had several colonies in asia.There are no better kickers than tkd lads but they have no hands or low kicks in general.

[TheTaoofJKD]

@billysue2 No European arts besides savae, read some history on it you uneducated ass. Savate was invented by French sailors and hoodlums in Marseilles not by some explorer going to asia and picking up on stuff there. And as far as kicks go TKD is about as weak and they come, albeit flashy but weak as hell. The best kicks belong to Savate, Kyokushin, and Muay Thai, TKD doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. Uneducated idiot.

[billysue2]

@TheTaoofJKD i guarantee that the kicking from savate arent european in origin,spread of ideas by travelling is how all arts came about.The only styles with high kicks are asian,its too much coincidence that france was a big trader in asia.Ive done thai for about 8 yrs and itf tkd and american kickboxing for 17 yrs and good tkd lads have better legs than anyone in terms of speed and dexterity but havent the power of thai and cant set them up as well due to lack of hands.

[TheTaoofJKD]

@billysue2 You guarantee this? I'd love do see how you do that. I train in savate under Prof Salem Assli pretty much the premier savate professor in the US. According to him and all the research I've done on Savate especially considering it is my native martial art there is no viable evidence that shows this. Your ignorance is painful. TKD is a bastardized martial art that lacks in a plethora of ways. All they know how to do it to tornado and wheelkick everything else is garbage.

[ZAZAAZAZ9009]

@TheTaoofJKD and @billysue2 I think both of you are wrong, no disrespect. Savate is a full French martial art. The kicking technics come from different bandit's and thug's fighting styles. It can not possibly come from TKD because Savate comes from the early 1800 and TKD was founded around 1950. BUT if you really look at TKD it's a complete combat system where you can find throws and locks.

[sabinoson]

@ZAZAAZAZ9009 I totally agree with you. There's only so many ways the human body can move. To me, who happens to be Asian and a martial artist, why would the French (or anyone else) need "us" Asians to influence them in their own homegrown kicking methods? Why wouldn't they be able to come up with similar techniques on their own? To say Savate must have come from Asia is like saying because the English have archery, then Native American archery must have come from England.

[ZAZAAZAZ9009]

@TheTaoofJKD And by the way Savate came from Paris and went South to Marseille where the sailors took it as a way to keep in shape during their trips on the boats and also as a way to have fun

[retrodarth]

@TheTaoofJKD John Rhee was Bruce "fake actor" Lee kicking teacher in the begining of the sixties, thanks to TKD kicks your idol become a movie star. Despite Bruce was a questioned martial artist and arrogant lad, as the most of his zombie kune do fans pupils, you mentioned Kyokushin and Mas Oyama -born korean- was humble and loyal friend of the father of TKD G.M. Choi. 

[fov200]

@retrodarth Yeah, but the founder of TKD isn't a founder of anything new - everything in TKD is a military and later sport technics derived from the ancient korean Taek Kyon (Kyung). I'm kind of agree with the point that Savate has something in common with the asian styles, but not in a way of deriving, rather a way of influence. But everything is influenced by something anyway. And, considering the time most of the modern styles was born, then Savate is kind of original martial art.

[fov200]

@retrodarth Moreover, if we are about to think about asian influences on Savate, we must go souther of Korea - Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia. Because Savate has much more in common with Muay Boran (the predecessor of Muay Thai), Viet Vo Dao and Silat, than Taek Kyeon (in which, like TKD, there's a lack of low kicks and the movement of the body is different, like dance). And because there was the most of the French asian colonies.

[fov200]

Considering that Savate is centuries older than TKD and that TKD was created as a military fighting system (and we all know what kind of military influence has Europe and America over Asia in the 19th and 20th centuries) - it's more probably TKD to be influenced by Savate.

[00Jackacid]

@retrodarth he had been in many street fights and his skill have been confirmed by chuck norris who is a tung soo do black belt.

[dss103]

where can i get a good price on savate shoes? kicking with steel toe shoes is awesome!

[billysue2]

@dss103 they dont train with steel toes numbnuts,they wear shoes like wrestling boots.

[pugilistica]

'Savate' (a slang term for 'old shoe' or 'old boot') is not a 'martial' art in the strict sense of the term, as it did not originate from a martial/military background. Whereas, a lot of oriental arts supposedly did. Savate originated in the streets of Paris, and its sibling art of 'Chausson' (the name of a Sailor's slip-on deck shoe) came from the Sailors and Dockworkers in France's Southern docks of Marseilles. Chausson was also known as 'jeu Marseillais' (Sport Marseille).

[faltagh]

@pugilistica Savate was taken via the military all over the world. French-Indochina, Japan, Africa, Middle East, Mexico, Brazil. It's influence was world wide.

[astiagogo]

Interesting to see this, but i think the film is showing at the wrong speed slightly.

[Rubberduck70]

I thought so too, but compare it to Pierre Baruzy Savate clip, which is clearly showing too fast movement. Their hands, in this movie, move about normal speed. Also some kicks too.

[lamasu]

looks like two beatnicks. this is cool though i like stuff like this from back in the day. it sort of reminds me of balle

[66clash]

Je pratique la boxe française depuis plus de 20 ans et l'enseigne depuis 10. Je n'avais jamais vu de combat datant de cette époque, merci.

[pointfighter]

those guys were pretty fast kickers

[ashikatana]

i spotted peter sellers AND richard nixon in the audience!

apart from that - its not too far off modern 'points' fighting karate (except for the shin hacking - nasty)

[pairostrike]

insteresting... savate might be the only european martial art, well if it can be considered a martial art that is...

[NeutralDrow]

By every standard I've seen, savate is clearly defined as a martial art. I'm pretty sure boxing (European origin) is also considered to be so. Pretty much everything else I can think of has only a sport application (mostly weapon-fighting), so they might not count if one is a stickler.

[thatrugbyguy]

id say wrestling (freestyle, greco-roman, and catch, not the wwe) is very much a martial art. Sure its a sport, but virtually every martial culture in history had some incarnation of wrestling, cuz they knew that it developed martial skills in their soldiers.

[Caliburnis]

Savate is a martial art, especially the street defense variant. But there are many other styles of European Martial Arts. For instance, the German Kampfringen, a martial art with more of a focus around locks, throws, and holds was developed in Germany during the medieval era. And we have the Italian Abrazare, the Spanish Zipota, English Boxing, Greco Roman Wrestling, Boyovyy Hopak, Sambo, Systema, Jogu Do Pau, Irish Bata, and Sicilian Paranza.

[Caliburnis]

Then of course we have the numerous weapon arts the Italians and Germans developed, IE; Liechtenauer, Ringeck, Dei Liberi, Salvatore, etc.

[pairostrike]

whow, there a so many european martial arts

[pugilistica]

In reply to pairostrike: Erm... Yes, history does indeed inform us that there were wars being fought all across Europe, over many hundreds of years, by men in armour, on foot, on horseback, with lances, pikes, spears, swords, etc. Do you think that they made their techniques up as they went along???

[rodadecapoeira]

Havia no Rio deJaneiro uns Franceses capoeiras. O savate nasceu nas ruas de paris, a capoeiragem nas ruas do rio. Lutas dos malandros do mundo. mestre pastinha já falou disso!