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This is really something. I think the object isn't art, because it's not emotionally or relationally meaningful, but... it is very unique, beautiful and interesting. More than your usual scientific image, rather like the Mandelbrot set. If it isn't art, it's still very interesting, like a new area of endeavour.
@leconfidant i dont think she says it is art, it is an object that challenges the boundaries of art/music and science. Pieces like these allow these 3 working practices to inform one another and bring them together. I think its a fascinating piece of research and architecture. In my opinion, the work of art is not to be understood but to be experienced, this work is a piece of science that is understand has a rigid rationale and is free from emotional expression. Its much like a DNA sculpture
Do I detect an accent there? Who is this woman? I can't even find basic info on her on the internet. Anyone?
Apart from that: This is completely amazing, from the idea to the visual impression to the musical expression. I would've liked to hear more weather symphonies.
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I think the musical representations of a storm is more interesting than visual sculpture but I appreciate that she has a point of view as an artist and scientist that manages to be outside of both boxes.
@cansaran11 to be clear, art doesn't become art because "you place it in a museum", it talks to people, expresses a certain feeling and this is just a 3D graph - might have become art if she had painted it lol
@cutepinkbandanaman I am surprised at the level of negativity being expressed here about this artists work of art / science. Especially by the person who should be explaining to us why he goes by the moniker "cute pink bandana man" . I, for one, would find that explanation very illuminating, certainly more so than the drivel the "cute pink" has dished out so far.
Ouch... That sounded like the noise of an orchestra tuning their instruments before the actual piece. I'd rather listen to the TED intro a few dozen times rather than kill my brain with that white noise again.
She fails to understand the visual language of science. A visualization in a science museum attempts to convey massive amounts of information. This thing conveys a minimal amount of information. Looking at it tells you that weather has some amount of complexity without building on or relating to anything. It makes you simply stand in awe of complexity, while in science you derive knowledge from complexity.
@cutepinkbandanaman are you just a troll or are you a troll? This is her way to exemplify her art, by combining real life events and elements into her art work. Seriously, not all data have to be interpreted from well drawn graphs and from decent scientists. For one thing, the title of this video says "ART" and not "Understanding the Visual Language of Science," it would seem to me that you are the one that fails at understanding the basic concepts of this video.
@cutepinkbandanaman And you fail to understand art. Art isn't about making something logical. It's about making something that you think is interesting to show. She turns the visual language of science into an aesthetic form that can be enjoyed instead of learned.
although i admire her dedication and what she is trying and is achieving. but seriously... someone should have told her to go outside..... and not to collect data!
It seems to me that her attempt at creating art from nature, merely proved that sculpturing without creativity (systematic approach) is recognized as art also, which demonstrates the meaninglessness of art as a whole.
That being said, I think her talents could be applied to data monitoring systems where many parameters could make up a simple structure that quickly and intuitively could show status and potential problems, for a fast overview.
I'm a meteorologist and in looking at this my whole mind went "derp". Strange for someone who thinks weather data being just one thing and seeing it done in a completely different.
If i recorded data for my shite pattern the model and music would probably look just as 'beautiful' and 'artistic'. Imagine if you did this for a living, what a waste.
@jawadmahar Because we relish scientific achievement on TED. The enemy of this is arbitrariness. Connecting weather variables to inputs on various musical devices, arbitrarily scaling their ranges to come out with something that we can hear, and tweaking it so that it doesn't come out like random noise.... is arbitrary. If her experiment yielded unexpected uses, we'd be amazed!!!... but art of science is not science. period.
@jawadmahar Everybody has different incentives for coming to TED. People in my group would completely concede that the non-scientific achievements (don't mind valid soft science) are not why we come to the channel. So we have to skip 5 annoying videos to get to a good one. By complaining, we r voting that they stick to science. They raise enough money by having enough delegates, so our aims our at cross purposes. Equilibrium is found by both sides demanding loudly.
That's not a sculpture darling. And that's not a score either. Why don't you get properly trained as a proper artist or a proper composer instead of talking about something you know nothing about? Shame on you, TED.
And who are you to say it isn't a sculpture? Not sure about the score since I'm not a musician but as far as a sculpture goes, it seems to have all the basic components:
Since you ask me directly, I am a professional composer. Hence, I know a few things about scores. You can trust me on that. With regards to "sculpture", a three-dimensional structure, created by a human is not an "sculpture" either. Otherwise a piece of shit would be a sculpture too. You also should learn about REAL ART and REAL MUSIC before you critisise others, don't you think?
A piece of shit is not really created and molded by the person it just naturally comes out like that. Can someone make a sculpture out of shit? Sure. Define what a sculpture is, and define what real art is. Just because you don't like the sculpture, it doesn't mean its not art.
Sorry to disagree. You need to understand that by just "creating" and "molding" something, that does not make it art. My mum makes jumpers. They are not art works, they are just jumpers. I know what art is, but you seem to b a bit confused about the definition. It is not about "liking" or "not liking" the work. It is about the search for beauty, the contrast of friction, acquired skill and the need of a conscious message. Read about it. Plato would be a good start.
That definition sounds like something some philosopher said more than two millenia ago and it mostly seems to apply to making human/animal sculptures. Beauty is subjective and conscious messages are practically non-existent when it comes to abstract art.
I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
@Gmmm I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
We've forgotten to see beauty as what it really is - and started to call anything Creative as being Art. A creation is not necessarily a Work Of Art. A floor tile might be beautiful but it is not a work of art. It is just a tile. Unless of course, has a creative meaning behind.
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
Respond to this video... We should start calling 'Art' only to that what deserves that and not to everything being "created" and has physical dimensions. And perhaps we should start calling someone an 'artist' not necessarily for being an 'artisan'. An Artist is an Artist and an Artisan is an Artisan.
In any case, it would take many pages to discuss this with you so as to get to the root of this. But this is something we can't do here, I'm afraid. But thanks for the exchange! ;-)
I'm highly suprised that you refer to Plato. That might be a little outdated.
Every artist takes some sort of data and transfers those into art. This could be emotions, impressions, anything. By choosing a method of expression it is transferred into art. This is as well what Miebach does. She could do the sculptures with anything. But she chooes this way and is very focussed on the aesthetic aspect of the work. This is why this could be called art in the mind of many people.
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
Furthermore, You don't have to agree, but please recognize that there were people like Rodin, Duchamp, Picasso, Beuys, Warhol and so on who changed the way we need to see art. Even your moms jumpers can be art if she declares it as art. The only thing that is definitly no art is a closed mind and a limitation the the ways of expressing oneself or ones reception of the world. Wheather data is a way we can see the world.
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
@polopiatti Why is it not a sculpture or score? I am only a high school student, but I have been taking art and music classes all my life. It looks like both to me. (I can see how you would say what she had was not a score because it did not have the conventional black notes on a page, but it could be read and translated into a musical piece, so I believe it is.) Personally, I like that she is innovative enough to combine all three elements of art, music and science and not be "proper".
In my view it is not art because it has no beauty or creative message whatsoever. It is just a simple constructive game of the intellect. For me, proper art speaks to the heart, not to the brain. Everyone is very busy trying to "innovate" at all costs. But to "innovate" is easy. To create ART is difficult and requires creative skill and emotional intelligence. The "sculpture" in question doesn't have either.
@polopiatti ...get trained as a "Proper Artist"? "Proper Composer"? You sir come off as nothing but a proper asshole. It must be really uncomfortable for you to have to mingle among such lesser beings on a daily basis.
And you are rude and common. Because you appear to need to be aggressive and insulting to make your point. If you cannot defend your views using proper conversation you should simply shut up. You are not contributing, just embarrassing yourself.
@polopiatti My comment was in no way aggressive. I feel no aggression towards you. I simply quoted you and told you how it made you look. I had passion at the time of writing it because I saw your comment as very elitist. My wife is an artist. She does wonderful work. It sells and she has been commissioned, yet she has had no formal training so I'm sure you would not consider her a "proper artist". You would likely tell her she knows nothing about art as well. YOUR comment was insulting
So, for you to call someone an asshole is not insulting?! Training has nothing to do with this anyway. And the fact that your wife sells her work doesn't mean that she is selling ART. In any case I have no more time to spend on this. Please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
Retrieve data from storms and then turn that data into a complex, three dimensional sculpture. This sculpture can then be used to create terrible sounding musical scores that are given more praise than they're worth because of their natural origins.
The art was bad. The music was bad. The data chosen is arbitrary and became completely meaningless the moment it was changed.
I love this video, the concept is something I could have never imagined, the result is eerily awe inspiring, and the speaker is not a professional speaker, she is an artist. It sounds like she's speaking poetry... there's passion, and a desire to deliver the ideas fast, and purely.
It's art, and imagination, and everything I like about TED.
pointless, pseudo-patterns realized into bad art. It is completely arbitrary what data she uses, even data from her own layman meteorological undertakings
The music is interesting, because one can listen to it and intuitively become familiar with the aspects of the storm, if the dimensions are known. The sculptures unfortunately, do not translate as well. Our minds are not designed to process so much detail, and the whole of them ends up looking like a garish mess. As an idea, it's an intriguing form of art, but I do not see much practical use for it.
I think this is beautiful. I actually had dreams of doing this very thing as a child - turning the physical realities of a storm into music based on actual measurements or into a sculpture based on patterns found in the storm itself. This is the kindof innovative, challenging stuff the art world needs right now.
Brilliant Presentation ...articulate ...precise ...remarkably effective in sharing a perspective that demonstrates the value of collective consciousness
science*music*math*art all equally sharing the same spotlight~a cosmic dance
@BroBroDude "0:15" is so last week. They corrected the intro levels so anyone still posting this sort of comment is just being an ignorant douche who can't be bothered to do anything original or even notice obvious changes.
@jussts "They corrected the intro levels so anyone still posting this sort of comment is just being an ignorant douche who can't be bothered to do anything original or even notice obvious changes."
yea, it's a real shock that people who skip the intro of every video don't notice changes to it. and thank god you pointed it out, too, because we've all been dying to waste those 15 seconds every time. wheeeeee
@BroBroDude Do you seriously look for a "0:15" link on every TED video? What happens when there isn't one... do you mutter in the corner, rocking back and forth until the intro is over? Or do you just click forward a little LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES?
Face it, "0:15" comments are the new "first" when it comes to TED videos. They are neither useful nor clever.
@jussts they're useless if you don't count the one use they are designed to and do in fact have, sure. i'm not sure there was ever anything 'clever' about them
but you should definitely rage harder over this, it's so worth it. keep fighting the good fight man
Oh please. Don't pretend your 15 post/snarky comment wasn't an attempt to be clever*. You did it for the same reason everyone who posts a "first" or "thumbs up if..." comment does. You crave attention. Well you're getting it. Bask in it, you ridiculous person.
@BroBroDude Really? What is so wrong with this presentation that the top comment advises people to skip immediately to the end? Honestly I would have loved to see this fleshed out into a 10 or 15 minute presentation.
Good, but I think it would have better served the presentation and been more impressive if she told us all about her work first and then presented the music.
Create, think and read...you can be silent while doing all of those things. Speaking out is an important tool for effecting change that is available to us. Whether that's literally speaking out, or figuratively through art. I'm a little lost as to what you're trying to get at with the conflicting statements.
Wow, an artist who interprets something in a completely arbitrary way. the sculptures are beautiful but calling them models of data is ridiculous. Making music out of what you can observe in weather is interesting though, assigning arbitrary but consistent note values to raw data could surely produce something beautiful, but if we're being honest here, there's no real reason to think it should sound exactly like an orchestra.
Most of it was beyond me, but, creativity has certainly been displayed, whether you like or not, is a matter of taste. Given space, this could well spawn a whole new family of art forms
Good Video.
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lightandbeautiful 1 month ago
How incredibly innovative
lilkoo93 3 months ago
She sounds like a 24 year old Japanese-American woman.
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jglandart 3 months ago
very interesting
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This is really something. I think the object isn't art, because it's not emotionally or relationally meaningful, but... it is very unique, beautiful and interesting. More than your usual scientific image, rather like the Mandelbrot set. If it isn't art, it's still very interesting, like a new area of endeavour.
leconfidant 4 months ago
@leconfidant i dont think she says it is art, it is an object that challenges the boundaries of art/music and science. Pieces like these allow these 3 working practices to inform one another and bring them together. I think its a fascinating piece of research and architecture. In my opinion, the work of art is not to be understood but to be experienced, this work is a piece of science that is understand has a rigid rationale and is free from emotional expression. Its much like a DNA sculpture
cprostudio 1 month ago
@cprostudio Haha 'the work of art is not to be understood but to be experienced',
Very true. And Oscar Wilde says beauty is wiser than wisdom because it does not have to explain itself.
leconfidant 1 month ago
GENIUS
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pretty sure its a german accent.. nice talk
Th3Wab3 4 months ago
wow. just wow.
AlanMathewPolson 4 months ago
OCD
clmrd5 4 months ago
Do I detect an accent there? Who is this woman? I can't even find basic info on her on the internet. Anyone?
Apart from that: This is completely amazing, from the idea to the visual impression to the musical expression. I would've liked to hear more weather symphonies.
GreyLabyrinthine 4 months ago
the sculptures are very interesting but I dont need to know the data behind it, art is an expression not a mind thing for me!! cheers
divedeepinside 4 months ago
Wank.
Magistic 4 months ago
this is brilliant
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
particularly liked reference to Zelda: Ocarina of Time, very savvy art
deadswans2000 4 months ago
fascinating! why so many dislikes for this video? I'm not sure I understand the negative scoring here
LittleBabyBum 4 months ago
Science meets art, yummy! :)
omegavalerius 4 months ago
I only clicked this because I thought it had something to do with Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Then I was like, "Oh... NM."
durkma2 4 months ago
I think the musical representations of a storm is more interesting than visual sculpture but I appreciate that she has a point of view as an artist and scientist that manages to be outside of both boxes.
fiercefunky 4 months ago
this is not art its science. BS !!
cansaran11 4 months ago
@cansaran11 Why would you think that?
Tengent 4 months ago
@cansaran11 i hope you're saying that saying it's not art is BS
Jared2324 4 months ago
@Jared2324 its not art for say, it is a scientific sculpture of "weather" whatever it is, its cool but not art
cansaran11 4 months ago
@cansaran11 to be clear, art doesn't become art because "you place it in a museum", it talks to people, expresses a certain feeling and this is just a 3D graph - might have become art if she had painted it lol
cansaran11 4 months ago
@Jared2324 last point, art talks to us, not the artist explaining it
cansaran11 4 months ago
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cansaran11 4 months ago
Maybe my opinion do not matter as her work!!
ginofrater 4 months ago
That is wander full !
ginofrater 4 months ago
That is the new low!!!
ginofrater 4 months ago
@ginofrater and how might you come to that conclusion? do you have a closed mind?
Jared2324 4 months ago
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Did you read all my 3 posts?
ginofrater 4 months ago
Bravo!!!!
blitzrule 4 months ago
@cutepinkbandanaman I am surprised at the level of negativity being expressed here about this artists work of art / science. Especially by the person who should be explaining to us why he goes by the moniker "cute pink bandana man" . I, for one, would find that explanation very illuminating, certainly more so than the drivel the "cute pink" has dished out so far.
TheLOFON 4 months ago
i made a vuvuzela that goes off every time I fart- increasing the barometric pressure of my surrounding environment. Can I be on TED?
dozza06 4 months ago
Ouch... That sounded like the noise of an orchestra tuning their instruments before the actual piece. I'd rather listen to the TED intro a few dozen times rather than kill my brain with that white noise again.
KemaTheAtheist 4 months ago
Where can i find more of this music... except for their website. Its brilliant.
alphakristjan 4 months ago
In a world where everyone is intelligent, we would all be doing stuff like that.
She is amazing.
Bracerjack 4 months ago 11
Clipboards and paper? People use those in 2011?
mmmAH 4 months ago
She fails to understand the visual language of science. A visualization in a science museum attempts to convey massive amounts of information. This thing conveys a minimal amount of information. Looking at it tells you that weather has some amount of complexity without building on or relating to anything. It makes you simply stand in awe of complexity, while in science you derive knowledge from complexity.
cutepinkbandanaman 4 months ago 2
@cutepinkbandanaman are you just a troll or are you a troll? This is her way to exemplify her art, by combining real life events and elements into her art work. Seriously, not all data have to be interpreted from well drawn graphs and from decent scientists. For one thing, the title of this video says "ART" and not "Understanding the Visual Language of Science," it would seem to me that you are the one that fails at understanding the basic concepts of this video.
DarkMnMChocolate 4 months ago
@cutepinkbandanaman And you fail to understand art. Art isn't about making something logical. It's about making something that you think is interesting to show. She turns the visual language of science into an aesthetic form that can be enjoyed instead of learned.
deektedrgg 1 week ago
She has the most pointless job. She better not make a salary
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@BenFosterism Your mom has the most pointless job.
Aresftfun 4 months ago
Whats wrong with TED?!
HeilNizar 4 months ago
although i admire her dedication and what she is trying and is achieving. but seriously... someone should have told her to go outside..... and not to collect data!
theonlyartist1992 4 months ago
@theonlyartist1992 surelyh you mean go to the kitchen and not collect data.
Tolstoievsky 4 months ago
She should have just rubbed one out and let this idea roll on.
SourceCode2006 4 months ago 2
should have given a longer sample of the music. hard to marvel at its complexity with only a few seconds' worth.
I bet if she did the music with political data, business or financial data it would be a cacophony of cat screams and murder shrieks.
xjustamem0ryx 4 months ago 2
she talks very fast! Its like she memorized the whole talk not very natural not even a pause!
sanchyvil 4 months ago
whats the point
ThinkerForever1 4 months ago
seems kinda pointless
bobmarlzzz 4 months ago
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bobmarlzzz 4 months ago
That was very poorly explained, coulda slowed down and explained that basket contraption.
nightswish453 4 months ago
nonsense get a life you small woman
leparditas 4 months ago
@leparditas Asshole.
jussts 4 months ago
@jussts who are you / i thought tedsters dont curse...lol
leparditas 4 months ago
I clicked on this because it's 4:20
planetosm 4 months ago
You should use your God given talent to figure out humanity codes and how we can all live here on earth without the need to kill.
davidreams 4 months ago
this is amazing, i love it!
craigman777 4 months ago
It seems to me that her attempt at creating art from nature, merely proved that sculpturing without creativity (systematic approach) is recognized as art also, which demonstrates the meaninglessness of art as a whole.
That being said, I think her talents could be applied to data monitoring systems where many parameters could make up a simple structure that quickly and intuitively could show status and potential problems, for a fast overview.
kebakent 4 months ago
I'm a meteorologist and in looking at this my whole mind went "derp". Strange for someone who thinks weather data being just one thing and seeing it done in a completely different.
lightningjim 4 months ago
Bittersweet. Interesting approach, but not my thing. I guess pioneers have it the hardest, satisfying neither the scientists nor the musicians.
hunterbender 4 months ago
wtf's up with all the negativity?
myndwork 4 months ago 21
This lady has a lot of time on her hands
cookieRyan1489 4 months ago
If i recorded data for my shite pattern the model and music would probably look just as 'beautiful' and 'artistic'. Imagine if you did this for a living, what a waste.
dylanlawless1 4 months ago
that looks like something an 8 year old did
GHortaV 4 months ago
i think they scultures are nice ...chaotic and still ordered...
Freigeist20789 4 months ago
Is this crap subsidised by the federal government?
RollYourRock 4 months ago
Wow, those sculptures are a mess, makes weather look like a terrible nest of complications...
DTOlness2860 4 months ago
really nice....why so many haters on TED
jawadmahar 4 months ago
@jawadmahar Because we relish scientific achievement on TED. The enemy of this is arbitrariness. Connecting weather variables to inputs on various musical devices, arbitrarily scaling their ranges to come out with something that we can hear, and tweaking it so that it doesn't come out like random noise.... is arbitrary. If her experiment yielded unexpected uses, we'd be amazed!!!... but art of science is not science. period.
dmg46664 4 months ago
@dmg46664 ur taking science too seriously first of all.....
secondly....TED is not only about "scientific" acheivments....it never was :)
jawadmahar 4 months ago
@jawadmahar Everybody has different incentives for coming to TED. People in my group would completely concede that the non-scientific achievements (don't mind valid soft science) are not why we come to the channel. So we have to skip 5 annoying videos to get to a good one. By complaining, we r voting that they stick to science. They raise enough money by having enough delegates, so our aims our at cross purposes. Equilibrium is found by both sides demanding loudly.
dmg46664 4 months ago
That's not a sculpture darling. And that's not a score either. Why don't you get properly trained as a proper artist or a proper composer instead of talking about something you know nothing about? Shame on you, TED.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti
And who are you to say it isn't a sculpture? Not sure about the score since I'm not a musician but as far as a sculpture goes, it seems to have all the basic components:
- three-dimensional
- created and shaped by someone
Gmmm 4 months ago
@Gmmm
Since you ask me directly, I am a professional composer. Hence, I know a few things about scores. You can trust me on that. With regards to "sculpture", a three-dimensional structure, created by a human is not an "sculpture" either. Otherwise a piece of shit would be a sculpture too. You also should learn about REAL ART and REAL MUSIC before you critisise others, don't you think?
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti
A piece of shit is not really created and molded by the person it just naturally comes out like that. Can someone make a sculpture out of shit? Sure. Define what a sculpture is, and define what real art is. Just because you don't like the sculpture, it doesn't mean its not art.
Gmmm 4 months ago
@Gmmm
Sorry to disagree. You need to understand that by just "creating" and "molding" something, that does not make it art. My mum makes jumpers. They are not art works, they are just jumpers. I know what art is, but you seem to b a bit confused about the definition. It is not about "liking" or "not liking" the work. It is about the search for beauty, the contrast of friction, acquired skill and the need of a conscious message. Read about it. Plato would be a good start.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti
That definition sounds like something some philosopher said more than two millenia ago and it mostly seems to apply to making human/animal sculptures. Beauty is subjective and conscious messages are practically non-existent when it comes to abstract art.
Gmmm 4 months ago
I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
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I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
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@Gmmm I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
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I get your point. And it is valid one. However, you seem to analyze this as an 'academic' while I am more of a 'purist'. I don't see beauty as something subjective. For me, something good and something true is always beautiful. The rest is just an intellectual construction in our heads.
polopiatti 4 months ago
We've forgotten to see beauty as what it really is - and started to call anything Creative as being Art. A creation is not necessarily a Work Of Art. A floor tile might be beautiful but it is not a work of art. It is just a tile. Unless of course, has a creative meaning behind.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti "A floor tile might be beautiful but it is not a work of art."
Except for when it is.
jussts 4 months ago
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@jussts
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
polopiatti 4 months ago
Respond to this video... We should start calling 'Art' only to that what deserves that and not to everything being "created" and has physical dimensions. And perhaps we should start calling someone an 'artist' not necessarily for being an 'artisan'. An Artist is an Artist and an Artisan is an Artisan.
polopiatti 4 months ago
In any case, it would take many pages to discuss this with you so as to get to the root of this. But this is something we can't do here, I'm afraid. But thanks for the exchange! ;-)
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti
I'm highly suprised that you refer to Plato. That might be a little outdated.
Every artist takes some sort of data and transfers those into art. This could be emotions, impressions, anything. By choosing a method of expression it is transferred into art. This is as well what Miebach does. She could do the sculptures with anything. But she chooes this way and is very focussed on the aesthetic aspect of the work. This is why this could be called art in the mind of many people.
killallcoolkids 4 months ago
@killallcoolkids
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti
Furthermore, You don't have to agree, but please recognize that there were people like Rodin, Duchamp, Picasso, Beuys, Warhol and so on who changed the way we need to see art. Even your moms jumpers can be art if she declares it as art. The only thing that is definitly no art is a closed mind and a limitation the the ways of expressing oneself or ones reception of the world. Wheather data is a way we can see the world.
killallcoolkids 4 months ago 26
@killallcoolkids
Well said
panterameetsrebel 4 months ago
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@killallcoolkids
I guess we must agree to disagree then. Unfortunately I have no more time to spend on this, I'm afraid. So, please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti Why is it not a sculpture or score? I am only a high school student, but I have been taking art and music classes all my life. It looks like both to me. (I can see how you would say what she had was not a score because it did not have the conventional black notes on a page, but it could be read and translated into a musical piece, so I believe it is.) Personally, I like that she is innovative enough to combine all three elements of art, music and science and not be "proper".
ckramer24 4 months ago
@ckramer24
In my view it is not art because it has no beauty or creative message whatsoever. It is just a simple constructive game of the intellect. For me, proper art speaks to the heart, not to the brain. Everyone is very busy trying to "innovate" at all costs. But to "innovate" is easy. To create ART is difficult and requires creative skill and emotional intelligence. The "sculpture" in question doesn't have either.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti ...get trained as a "Proper Artist"? "Proper Composer"? You sir come off as nothing but a proper asshole. It must be really uncomfortable for you to have to mingle among such lesser beings on a daily basis.
lives2live 4 months ago 3
@lives2live
And you are rude and common. Because you appear to need to be aggressive and insulting to make your point. If you cannot defend your views using proper conversation you should simply shut up. You are not contributing, just embarrassing yourself.
polopiatti 4 months ago
@polopiatti My comment was in no way aggressive. I feel no aggression towards you. I simply quoted you and told you how it made you look. I had passion at the time of writing it because I saw your comment as very elitist. My wife is an artist. She does wonderful work. It sells and she has been commissioned, yet she has had no formal training so I'm sure you would not consider her a "proper artist". You would likely tell her she knows nothing about art as well. YOUR comment was insulting
lives2live 4 months ago
@lives2live
So, for you to call someone an asshole is not insulting?! Training has nothing to do with this anyway. And the fact that your wife sells her work doesn't mean that she is selling ART. In any case I have no more time to spend on this. Please excuse me but I will not continue responding to any comments in future. It just remains to say that it is great to see how much reaction there has been about what is art and what is not - whatever contrary the opinions might be. Thanks.
polopiatti 4 months ago
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polopiatti 4 months ago
Retrieve data from storms and then turn that data into a complex, three dimensional sculpture. This sculpture can then be used to create terrible sounding musical scores that are given more praise than they're worth because of their natural origins.
The art was bad. The music was bad. The data chosen is arbitrary and became completely meaningless the moment it was changed.
47571660 4 months ago
cooooooool
FontanaVideoStudios 4 months ago
Lovely!
+stop whining already @ commenters.
xilliah 4 months ago
Incredible. Beautiful!
I love this video, the concept is something I could have never imagined, the result is eerily awe inspiring, and the speaker is not a professional speaker, she is an artist. It sounds like she's speaking poetry... there's passion, and a desire to deliver the ideas fast, and purely.
It's art, and imagination, and everything I like about TED.
TheXanderLex 4 months ago
pointless, pseudo-patterns realized into bad art. It is completely arbitrary what data she uses, even data from her own layman meteorological undertakings
outsidemendham 4 months ago 3
@outsidemendham indeed. I'm a pianist and even I'm irritated.
ryoshi100 4 months ago
@outsidemendham +1
3g2i 4 months ago
...
masluxx 4 months ago
that was actually pretty darn cool.
mararies20 4 months ago
Amazing.
Avery7098 4 months ago
when she got into weaving the basket I was like wtf ?! but in a very good way. Totally amazing.
MrXSpeaks 4 months ago
Brilliant, Absolutely Brilliant!
look2explore 4 months ago
0:19 Looks like the Huntchback of Notre Dame found a new gig
LuckyMarketGameplay 4 months ago
hmm 4:20 what am I gonna do while I'm watching..
LuckyMarketGameplay 4 months ago
Does she even breathe?
XenuBlud 4 months ago 3
The music is interesting, because one can listen to it and intuitively become familiar with the aspects of the storm, if the dimensions are known. The sculptures unfortunately, do not translate as well. Our minds are not designed to process so much detail, and the whole of them ends up looking like a garish mess. As an idea, it's an intriguing form of art, but I do not see much practical use for it.
NjC121 4 months ago
Question is what does we learn from these ??
arjunitp 4 months ago
I think this is beautiful. I actually had dreams of doing this very thing as a child - turning the physical realities of a storm into music based on actual measurements or into a sculpture based on patterns found in the storm itself. This is the kindof innovative, challenging stuff the art world needs right now.
Haduct 4 months ago
does she get paid to do this crap??
OpiatedBliss 4 months ago
This is not art. You can`t call "art" anything that is -weird- .
afterlifedll 4 months ago
This concept is being overdone.
Slashtap3 4 months ago
@Slashtap3 Data-mining & data-presentations are getting more important everyday.
peterbriers 4 months ago
Brilliant Presentation ...articulate ...precise ...remarkably effective in sharing a perspective that demonstrates the value of collective consciousness
science*music*math*art all equally sharing the same spotlight~a cosmic dance
all that in less than 5 minutes
respect
gaiagale 4 months ago
Creative weather induced sculptures...
JanMarie1007 4 months ago
It's interesting but... I feel like telling her to slow. the. fuck. down.
RevyNai 4 months ago 3
sucks
pinochska 4 months ago
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@TheOriginalMadMatt
The ones I summarized in my reply;
"better to CREATE, THINK and or READ"
"DO something about it- otherwise, remain silent until..."
dookiecheez 4 months ago
Her work is beautiful, besides being awesome, please people just like the freakin video.
Illkiron 4 months ago
This is amazing. Why so many dislikes?
Billyann7 4 months ago
not bad
Science1314 4 months ago
0:15
actually, in this case: 4:19
BroBroDude 4 months ago 40
@BroBroDude the intro volume has been fixed by TED since the last talk (the one about prosthetics)
DonDuracell 4 months ago
@BroBroDude "0:15" is so last week. They corrected the intro levels so anyone still posting this sort of comment is just being an ignorant douche who can't be bothered to do anything original or even notice obvious changes.
jussts 4 months ago
@jussts "They corrected the intro levels so anyone still posting this sort of comment is just being an ignorant douche who can't be bothered to do anything original or even notice obvious changes."
yea, it's a real shock that people who skip the intro of every video don't notice changes to it. and thank god you pointed it out, too, because we've all been dying to waste those 15 seconds every time. wheeeeee
BroBroDude 4 months ago
@BroBroDude Do you seriously look for a "0:15" link on every TED video? What happens when there isn't one... do you mutter in the corner, rocking back and forth until the intro is over? Or do you just click forward a little LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES?
Face it, "0:15" comments are the new "first" when it comes to TED videos. They are neither useful nor clever.
jussts 4 months ago
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xjustamem0ryx 4 months ago
@jussts they're useless if you don't count the one use they are designed to and do in fact have, sure. i'm not sure there was ever anything 'clever' about them
but you should definitely rage harder over this, it's so worth it. keep fighting the good fight man
BroBroDude 4 months ago
Oh please. Don't pretend your 15 post/snarky comment wasn't an attempt to be clever*. You did it for the same reason everyone who posts a "first" or "thumbs up if..." comment does. You crave attention. Well you're getting it. Bask in it, you ridiculous person.
*an asshole who thinks he's clever
jussts 4 months ago
@BroBroDude Really? What is so wrong with this presentation that the top comment advises people to skip immediately to the end? Honestly I would have loved to see this fleshed out into a 10 or 15 minute presentation.
SalientK 4 months ago
wtf
DocSolomon 4 months ago
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enzotje123 4 months ago
Amazing art work. Beautiful music & quite Scientific
edwardsrubyg 4 months ago
That's pretty frickin' awesome.
rosey4exclaim 4 months ago
that actually is kinda cool.
dewfish 4 months ago
this art has form
crimsoncoin 4 months ago
Good, but I think it would have better served the presentation and been more impressive if she told us all about her work first and then presented the music.
MarkArandjus 4 months ago 32
wonder if she did a art piece from Catrina...
TheMetalHead102 4 months ago
WoW. Insightful work.
honeymaru68 4 months ago
@TheOriginalMadMatt
Create, think and read...you can be silent while doing all of those things. Speaking out is an important tool for effecting change that is available to us. Whether that's literally speaking out, or figuratively through art. I'm a little lost as to what you're trying to get at with the conflicting statements.
dookiecheez 4 months ago
I philosophically disagree with this woman.
YawnGod 4 months ago
I'm getting sick of TEDA...
Truthiness231 4 months ago
Cute
DahSlayah 4 months ago
Nature = Art
andredzn 4 months ago
Art?! are you kidding me!
it could be interesting to teach this at school for kids to boost their creativity and get them interested in science.
I am not going to even talk about the sculptures!
As for the Music ...considering it was their best piece to play at TED presentation i found it poor.
I love new ideas...but somehow this story i just dont buy!
maryamnademi 4 months ago
hairstyle gives the impression that she's batshit insane ^^
Lintassimilator 4 months ago
She should now take that music and put it through a cymascope
KingIllski 4 months ago
It is just a BS , if you place it in the garbage it is it !
ginofrater 4 months ago
seems like she could have spent her time on something... useful.
JakXenon 4 months ago
@JakXenon You just made a new admirer!! rss
ginofrater 4 months ago
@kiddhitta Shave. Simple.
LookieHippie 4 months ago
@LookieHippie that would be un-manly.
kiddhitta 4 months ago
@kiddhitta Ah, but then you have to keep suffering. Sorry.
LookieHippie 4 months ago
YAY!~
You fixed the volume of the intro. Thank you!~
DivergentMind 4 months ago
fuck that's cool
LSD616 4 months ago
Wow, an artist who interprets something in a completely arbitrary way. the sculptures are beautiful but calling them models of data is ridiculous. Making music out of what you can observe in weather is interesting though, assigning arbitrary but consistent note values to raw data could surely produce something beautiful, but if we're being honest here, there's no real reason to think it should sound exactly like an orchestra.
325982668 4 months ago
Kudos on the brevity of the explanation.
Most of it was beyond me, but, creativity has certainly been displayed, whether you like or not, is a matter of taste. Given space, this could well spawn a whole new family of art forms
JackBresler 4 months ago