These are the worst examples of harassment. Great concept but perfect your project. There's way worse things than downtown cops being around drunk people.
no one else was cuffed for loitering orobstructing a sidewalk because no one else was giving them a hassle. no shit you guys were singled out, if they had of talked to anyone else and told them to move along you copwatch dumbasses would have gone over with friendly advice of "you don't have to talk to him or consent to any questions" and gotte yourselves involved either way. They just got you guys first and problem solved.
spotlight-figuring out if you guys had any weapons or were a threat, and since you're pointing a camera at them, which is completely legal in most situations i agree, they're pointing a spotlight at you, again which is completely legal. the 3 girls they were "questioning" the one was clearly drunk and your bitchy voice pops in saying just keep walking, if they wanted to be dicks they could have arrested her for public intoxication.
These people are just asking for trouble, the police are out doing their jobs and the so called "Cop Watchers" are basically harassing them and sticking a camera in their faces. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job and someone comes up, films you, then when you ask them to leave you alone all they say is "I have a right to observe the public." This is pointless and just shows how people will to anything to antagonize the ones who protect them.
@joeywhite18 Citizens are allowed to observe and audio/videotape the conduct of our public servants. It's our LAW!! No one stuck a camera in any cops face. The cops went out of their way to get close to those with a camera. Sorry joey! The days of blind obedience to being commanded by a cop are gone. The cop must act within the LAW the same as a citizen. Taxpayers are getting tired of seeing their money being paid for lawsuits because of power hungry bully boy cops.
@DJODDD And what do YOU reccommend?? Blind obedience to every command legal or illegal, just because it came from a cop?? Cops don't know JACK about law. They proved it in this vid when they had to let all of these "arrested" people go because they couldnt find a legitimate charge to arrest them on. These people know the law. Don't consent, but don't resist. There are lots of good cops. They were not represented here, and this group of cops were not the baddest of the bad...just annoying.
Though I do agree with what you do, they did not falsely arrest you. A misdemeanor citation is an arrest, you were charged with a misdemeanor. They do have the right to search you. "search incident to arrest". It is still an arrest.
thank freakin god..... you dumb asses got arrested
"I don't consent to being arrested"
COP: "orly, i dont give a fuck"
lmfao...
if a cop asks for ID its illegal to not produce id. and yes you can watch the police... from a distance.. if you bother them its obstruction of justice which qualifies for arrest. Don't be a dumb fucker and read up before you become a no life cop watcher
@Hughster49 The federal law clearly states that if you are interfearing with a police officer its called obstruction of justice. Therefor you are in clear violation of this case if your sitting there bothering them telling their suspect to not answer questions or yelling outloud. Therefor get a life... and shut the fuck up.
Your detained... meaning.. he can do whatever he likes. Now get off youtube lol
@Bloodhoun34Returns -Your statement was "If a cop asks for ID it's illegal not to produce ID", I never said anything about Obstruction. 1511=Definitions for certain provisions; general provision. 1514=Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness. Telling someone they don't have to talk too police is not obstruction.
"I do not consent to this conversation" after being advised you are detained? Seriously? You sound like an idiot! How about cooperating with the officer and provide the ID which, at that point, was a lawful order? Save the "I don't consent" for the search that was done of his and her persons and the cell phones. Not speaking with an officer if exercising your Miranda Rights and not about "consent." Lastly, the filming starts when police arrive... why not before? What do YOU have to hide?
"I do not consent to this conversation" after being advised you are detained? Seriously? You sound like an idiot! How about cooperating with the officer and provide the ID which, at that point, was a lawful order? Save the "I don't consent" for the search that was done of his and her persons and the cell phones. Not speaking with an officer if exercising your Miranda Rights and not about "consent." Lastly, the filming starts when police arrive... why not before? What do YOU have to hide?
@forthedefence81 - Nice inaccurate statement. I am an educated citizen who knows my rights in the event I am ever forced to deal with LEOs. I also do not believe everything someone says or shows as the entire story... I maintain an objective view of the scenarios and only make a judgement once I feel there is sufficient evidence. In summary... this is being educated and able to think for myself - You may want to try it sometime. I understand there are education grants for the mentally disabled.
Police have to stop really wasting their time and our money going against our legal rites. It's almost like some of them have a guilty conscience about getting caught doing something wrong. Overblown egos.
As SOON as they say that you are detained immediately initiate your right to remain silent. In my state the ONLY thing that I am required by law to given them is my name and address. I am not required to give them a driver's license (since I was not driving at the time of the infraction) or anything.
Good work. Have you considered answering the "do you have anything on you that [could be considered] a dangerous weapon" with "I'm wearing shoes. a shod foot can be a dangerous weapon. the answer to your question, if i should choose to answer it, would by definition have to be 'yes' otherwise you could charge me with making a false statement. but if I say "yes" you'll charge me with somehow threatening you. so I'm not going to play your rigged games."
wow, copwarch fucks, get a fucken life and let them do their job, something you guys should look for instead of being up at that time fucking with people and trying to start shit. now thats a real fuck!!!!!!
You guys deserved to be arrested. i dont even care if its legal to do what youre doing or not. Its just plain wrong. Following the police around with cameras..How would you like it if someone followed you around at work all day with a video camera? Then telling people that the police are dealing with that they dont have to listen to the police.You idiots should be ashamed of yourselves! I hope u need the police someday when something serious is going down and they just show up and video you
Of course they were not arrested for loitering, there is no reason for it. Your video makes no sense. Cop Watch are a bunch of losers that think they know the law. Your sad group was loitering by legal definition. Have you ever heard of being a public nuisance? I'd say "find a new hobby" but judging by this one, you have absolutely no skill sets in life.
these are the most obnoxious cop watch twats I've ever seen what a bunch of assholes who THE FUCK do they think they are helping?
Why don't these queers watch criminals instead of fucking with the police and creating a public disturbance? I wouldn't want these crap bags loitering all night in front of my place of business, they look like scumbags just out to cause trouble
@cjsav12491 The did not interfere! This is pure harassment. Did these people interfere with cops doing their job? Nope. This is abuse of authority, plain and simple. Cops need to be held liable for their injustices.
You guys have no idea what you are doing, and you don't know your rights at all. I know copwatchers are supposed to be "trained", but how ever trains them is obviously even less intelligent then these morons.
@curtisthe6th Recent Supreme Court rulings say you must verbalize your intent to excercise your rights. Failing to state that you do not consent to a conversation or search implies that you consent. That is what's stupid.
I dont consent to this, I dont consent to this.. how dumb. Without an ID, it can land you in jail too for ID hold. If you want to taunt cops, you better know your rights and the law. Seems to me you guys were stalking the Officers all night as the clips skipped around
@napkins714 There is nowhere in the US that you are required to carry an ID card. Some jurisdictions require you to identify yourself when asked, but that merely means stating your name. You can not be arrested for not having ID.
I saw two crimes committed by the copwatchers in this video.
1) When the lady said "you don't have to talk to them"... she was interfering with an investigation / obstructing justice.
2) When they said you had to leave... and you refused... you committed the crime of loitering / trespassing (assuming the store owner wanted to prosecute criminally). You can film the police away from the business.
...Just saying that there are legal ways to "cop watch" and this isn't it.
@tjhombs Show me in statute where it says, "Informing a person of their rights is not obstruction". If it prevents the officer from conducting an investigation it is by definition "interfering with an investigation". You refusing to leave makes that point even more and may also make you guilty of loitering and trespassing.
@Vindaven You forget that we live in the land of the free. If it's not illegal, then it's legal. Show me in statute where it says that talking to someone while they are talking to an officer is illegal. In most cases, officers are more than happy to let people talk forever - the more a suspect talks, the more information the police can gather. They only get upset when what is said amounts to, "Shut Up!"
@Vindaven Loitering can only a crime if you are there for no purpose, or if you are doing something that is otherwise illegal. Watching the police and informing suspects of their rights is a purpose, and is not illegal.
If you have'nt seen the series of documentaries Police State 2000,Police State 2,3 and 4 then you really need to watch them because they explain what's been happening with police training since 2000.They are being Millitarised and many cops are returning vets from Iraq and Afghanistan,Don't get me wrong I've seen some pretty good American cops but the bad apples spoil it for the rest.It's no wonder many people don't trust them.They should just follow the constitution,they are the good ones.
I don't think they are aloud to look through your telephone without a warrant and they have to be specific on that warrant as to what they're looking for.I am not sure about that because I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard i believe I'm correct.I wish people would do a follow up video part2 to let us know what happened next.e.g. court case ,further harrasement,fines you know a general comment by vidiographer.Keep up the good work.
@2wheels88 According to the Recent California Supreme Court Decision In P. v. Diaz, the High court discussed and applied several cases that have been ruled upon by the US Supreme Court over the years; In relying heavily on the interpretations of the USSC, the decision of the California Supreme Court, allows anytime a person is arrested, for any crime, it does not matter, any "Personal property ... immediately associated with [their] person", is subject to search without a warrant.
@scanstockton209 That is probably because they are using terms such as PERSON which is a maritime commercial law term meaning corporation,it does not mean human being you need to look at the difference between legal and lawful the prior deals with legislation not law, legilation is for commercial entities such as banks but they treat you as a corporation because u consent to it unknowingly.Checkout Jordon Maxwell on Maritime commercial law to get a better understanding,also freeman on the land.
@scanstockton209 Thanks for the info but i also belive that if u are arrested searched and not charged with anything you can sue them for false arrest!!!
@2wheels88 "Thanks for the info but i also belive that if u are arrested searched and not charged with anything you can sue them for false arrest!!!"
Do you also believe that you will be screwed if you are charged with something???
Who was the store owner who committed the felony by signing a false complaint? More to the point, what is the name and address of the business that will soon see a nosedive in their business?
you were interfering with police questioning 3 drunk women who could have been arrested for public intoxication. You have to right to interrupt police when they in a situation!
@CjoC12491 don't cops always say things to people like "if you've got nothing to hide," so why are they so afraid of the cameras? Respect is earned, not taken, and simply putting on a uniform does not earn any respect. Public servants in public places do not have the right to stop individuals from filming them. Maybe they wouldn't be so worried about cameras (you think they aren't briefed about such things?) if their very training and standard operating procedures didn't breach common law.
Officer Lemus asked you for ID because they were checking on underage club patrons. The camera crew were loitering meaning if they don't have a business there, leave.
Officer Oaxaca does a great job looking for low frequency transmitter that's being used as detonators around the building by the terrorists.
OMG!!! I don't consent...... how about shut the F*** up.
If people are requested to leave for loitering and come back to the location again, they are trespassing.
@dilober loitering is a misdemeanor, not an arrest able offense. There is a difference, learn it. Low Frequency transmitters and terrorists huh? Wow. Any action regarding the loitering must come with a direct complaint from the property owner, and the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. Officers can ask for id all they want you aren't required to give it to them unless you are under arrest, at which time you must be informed and immediately processed.
@JohnBabiuk The owner of the club, aka (citizen), aka the dude who don't want your type guys over there, aka the dude you don't even know, who has the right to call the wonderful police, was there. You just don't know the plaintiff. No wonder you didn't become a cop because your mind is so so unstable. Thank god!
@dilober they aren't INSIDE the club. They are in PUBLIC. Sorry pal, PUBLIC domain. EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE.
If the sidewalk is CITY property, it's owned by the PEOPLE, not the CLUB. Tell me again, on which indictable offense did the club owner claim offense and sign a statement or file an affidavit? If he didn't the Police are breaking the LAW by breaching the peace while engaging the cop watchers. Of course, if the cops or club owner had nothing to hide, then why fear the camera?
I have witnessed the tides change rapidly from safe to dangerous downtown. At least one of those three girls was obviously having trouble standing on her own (May we say drunk in public)? Cops are citizens like you and me who have a job enforcing laws. You watch any HUMAN BEING long enough and they will mess up somewhere.
The problem is not with the cops, it's with the general public and their sorry lack of understanding of their own damn rights and laws.
this is police interfering. you are loitering. if you are hanging around a business that is closed you are not there for that business at business hours yeah youre loitering so checkl out the local lawsa from city to city. you are loitering. penal code
On October 16, 1995, California Governor Pete Wilson signed into law a "loitering" bill that makes it possible for police to arrest someone they suspect is engaging in drug dealing or prostitution
The text of the law lists ten actions police and judges can look for to determine if a person has such requisite intent to engage in drug trafficking. A defendant may be considered having the requisite intent if he or she:
2-Transfers small objects or packages for currency in a furtive fashion.
3-Tries to conceal himself for herself or any object that reasonably could be involved in an unlawful drug-related activity.
4-Uses signals or language indicative of summoning purchasers of illegal drugs.
5-Repeatedly beckons to, stops, attempts to stop, or engages in conversations with passersby,.. on foot or in a motor vehicle, indicative of summoning purchasers of illegal drugs.
6-Repeatedly passes to or receives from passersby, whether on foot or in a motor vehicle, money or small objects.
7-Is under the influence of a controlled substance or possesses narcotic or drug paraphernalia ... including, but not limited to, roach clips, cigarette papers, and rollers designed or marketed for use in smoking a controlled substance.
Is currently subject to any order prohibiting his or her presence in any high drug activity geographic area.
Has engaged, within six months prior to the date of arrest under this section, in any behavior described in this subdivision ... [or] in any other behavior indicative of illegal drug-related activity.
We were not loitering and if you want to get real technical, loitering violates our first amendment rights to peacefully assemble in public spaces. BOOYA!!!
Coming at this from an ethical standpoint here, they must've had a reason as to why they were questioning the three girls. You then interfered wit their investigation, and thus being a pain. And harassment? Just because you don't consent doesn't mean that you can't be arrested. I could yell that while being arrested too, doesn't mean that they don't have the right to arrest me for a crime. AND him looking through your phone was part of his investigation. What did he do wrong again?
Ethics, you want to speak about ethics? pendejo!cops dont have ethics, atleast not the ones i think you are refering to. The pigs involved were constantly engaging interaction with the copwatchers and just because the pigs talk to you does not mean they have a real reason to do so besides to make one up, especially when you are just passing by.....we dont have to consent to anything if we have not broken any laws.
@209copwatch My only question WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU.... seriously WHO ARE YOU to question ANYONE'S job.. Have you seen everything they go threw EVERY FUCKING DAY? are you an Ex cop? or do you just watch tv, and youtube, Pick on cops till they bust and have a idiotic theory based off that... god damn people are stupid.
@zchamberlain2012 so informing somebody about their rights since clearly the cops do not. If you do not apply your rights, the cops will not respect them. Cops regularly abuse people's rights, in fact, they are trained to. They intimidate and harass people to get them to waive their rights rather than stand by them. It's absolutely sickening. Google cops advice on dealing with cops, and take a read on what a retired cop tells you. Then take off the blinders and open the eyes.
@JohnBabiuk, do I have to ask a retired cop when I'm the son of one? Do I have to see what goes on when I've been on over 50 ride alongs with over a dozen different officers? I don't understand how you can pick and choose your information according to a Google link... Furthermore, it's the citizen's responsibility to KNOW their rights, and if they don't know them, that's their own fault. Cops don't abuse people's rights (as a whole, because you're making generalizations on a few), and what's
@JohnBabiuk wrong with trying to get someone to waive their rights? The other option they have is to be cleared of all pending investigations. I KNOW there are bad cops, but I also KNOW that 99% of cops are out there to serve and protect. If you were to talk to most police officers that are new, they'd do the job for free. They'd PAY to do the job if they had to. Most love their job and are trying to help the public. I don't know what blinder's you yourself are looking through...
@zchamberlain2012 Achieving consent through deception. Think of the meaning of the word and tell me, is deception a tool of good or a tool of evil?
What blinders, I don't have the thin blue line in my blind, so I don't have the blinders on pal. I watch bully cops beat up homeless people because "who's gonna care" and "what are you gonna do about it" (direct quotes from the cops).
Serve and protect should include from bad cops as well. How many do that? How many back up their brothers instead?
@zchamberlain2012 The fact that the cops allowed the girls to leave implies that they had not committed a crime, otherwise the girls would not have been allowed to leave and the MCW also would have been subject to the crime you referred to. Unfortunately you're ignorant of your rights. You can not be legally arrested without probable cause. In this case, the police would have been guilty of a class A misdemeanor for unlawfully violating their right to film in public, at least in Texas.
You can film anywhere in public. It doesn't mention cops specifically. But if you are in public... Did you know you can also film your own court hearing? You just have to go through some hoops but its legal to do so.
@ohannahdad why are you supporting kony 2012?
dilober 14 hours ago
These are the worst examples of harassment. Great concept but perfect your project. There's way worse things than downtown cops being around drunk people.
imasavage504 1 week ago
Cops suck
bizzear01 2 weeks ago
Good job, keep an eye on these pigs. some are cool, but most of them are straight pigs oink oink
LILADOWNS 2 weeks ago
fuck the uniformed terrorist pigs
bigbaldbull82 3 weeks ago
no one else was cuffed for loitering orobstructing a sidewalk because no one else was giving them a hassle. no shit you guys were singled out, if they had of talked to anyone else and told them to move along you copwatch dumbasses would have gone over with friendly advice of "you don't have to talk to him or consent to any questions" and gotte yourselves involved either way. They just got you guys first and problem solved.
MrBfire19 1 month ago
spotlight-figuring out if you guys had any weapons or were a threat, and since you're pointing a camera at them, which is completely legal in most situations i agree, they're pointing a spotlight at you, again which is completely legal. the 3 girls they were "questioning" the one was clearly drunk and your bitchy voice pops in saying just keep walking, if they wanted to be dicks they could have arrested her for public intoxication.
MrBfire19 1 month ago
These people are just asking for trouble, the police are out doing their jobs and the so called "Cop Watchers" are basically harassing them and sticking a camera in their faces. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job and someone comes up, films you, then when you ask them to leave you alone all they say is "I have a right to observe the public." This is pointless and just shows how people will to anything to antagonize the ones who protect them.
joeywhite18 2 months ago
@joeywhite18 Citizens are allowed to observe and audio/videotape the conduct of our public servants. It's our LAW!! No one stuck a camera in any cops face. The cops went out of their way to get close to those with a camera. Sorry joey! The days of blind obedience to being commanded by a cop are gone. The cop must act within the LAW the same as a citizen. Taxpayers are getting tired of seeing their money being paid for lawsuits because of power hungry bully boy cops.
ohannahdad 1 month ago
gotta love cops..it pisses ppl off so bad that they have to go around and record it.......FUCK COPWATCHERS
DJODDD 2 months ago
@DJODDD And what do YOU reccommend?? Blind obedience to every command legal or illegal, just because it came from a cop?? Cops don't know JACK about law. They proved it in this vid when they had to let all of these "arrested" people go because they couldnt find a legitimate charge to arrest them on. These people know the law. Don't consent, but don't resist. There are lots of good cops. They were not represented here, and this group of cops were not the baddest of the bad...just annoying.
ohannahdad 1 month ago
What was the follow up to this? Did you guys ask to have the cops investigated for an illegal arrest?
PaulinaPaulino 2 months ago
all that bs for loitering... fucking pathetic... "Know your rights, or you don't have any"
samoanpunch 2 months ago
@johnbabuik "You're right"
Thanks man! :)
dilober 3 months ago
@curtisthe6th Great response!
dilober 3 months ago
Though I do agree with what you do, they did not falsely arrest you. A misdemeanor citation is an arrest, you were charged with a misdemeanor. They do have the right to search you. "search incident to arrest". It is still an arrest.
SgtTes 4 months ago
were the charges dropped?
roaringwaterbay 5 months ago
thank freakin god..... you dumb asses got arrested
"I don't consent to being arrested"
COP: "orly, i dont give a fuck"
lmfao...
if a cop asks for ID its illegal to not produce id. and yes you can watch the police... from a distance.. if you bother them its obstruction of justice which qualifies for arrest. Don't be a dumb fucker and read up before you become a no life cop watcher
Bloodhoun34Returns 5 months ago
@Bloodhoun34Returns -What law say's you have to show ID to the police minus "reasonable suspicion" of a crime?
Hughster49 4 months ago
@Hughster49 The federal law clearly states that if you are interfearing with a police officer its called obstruction of justice. Therefor you are in clear violation of this case if your sitting there bothering them telling their suspect to not answer questions or yelling outloud. Therefor get a life... and shut the fuck up.
Your detained... meaning.. he can do whatever he likes. Now get off youtube lol
Bloodhoun34Returns 4 months ago
@Bloodhoun34Returns -What federal law? Cite it or shut the fuck up!
Hughster49 4 months ago
@Hughster49 law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_73.html
Serial code 1511-1514
Bloodhoun34Returns 4 months ago
@Bloodhoun34Returns -Your statement was "If a cop asks for ID it's illegal not to produce ID", I never said anything about Obstruction. 1511=Definitions for certain provisions; general provision. 1514=Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness. Telling someone they don't have to talk too police is not obstruction.
Hughster49 4 months ago
cops are pieces of shit. especially here in the 209.
CAallday209 5 months ago
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"I do not consent to this conversation" after being advised you are detained? Seriously? You sound like an idiot! How about cooperating with the officer and provide the ID which, at that point, was a lawful order? Save the "I don't consent" for the search that was done of his and her persons and the cell phones. Not speaking with an officer if exercising your Miranda Rights and not about "consent." Lastly, the filming starts when police arrive... why not before? What do YOU have to hide?
A000699 5 months ago
"I do not consent to this conversation" after being advised you are detained? Seriously? You sound like an idiot! How about cooperating with the officer and provide the ID which, at that point, was a lawful order? Save the "I don't consent" for the search that was done of his and her persons and the cell phones. Not speaking with an officer if exercising your Miranda Rights and not about "consent." Lastly, the filming starts when police arrive... why not before? What do YOU have to hide?
A000699 5 months ago
@A000699
A000699 is just a scumbag LEO troll.
Hey pig, go fuck yourself.
forthedefence81 5 months ago
@forthedefence81 - Nice inaccurate statement. I am an educated citizen who knows my rights in the event I am ever forced to deal with LEOs. I also do not believe everything someone says or shows as the entire story... I maintain an objective view of the scenarios and only make a judgement once I feel there is sufficient evidence. In summary... this is being educated and able to think for myself - You may want to try it sometime. I understand there are education grants for the mentally disabled.
A000699 5 months ago
@A000699 Great point!
"the filming starts when police arrive... why not before?"
dilober 3 months ago
your not observing, your just being annoying and nosy... not every cop is bad
HappyYellowToaster 5 months ago
@HappyYellowToaster Nice!
dilober 3 months ago
Police have to stop really wasting their time and our money going against our legal rites. It's almost like some of them have a guilty conscience about getting caught doing something wrong. Overblown egos.
juevos55 7 months ago
As SOON as they say that you are detained immediately initiate your right to remain silent. In my state the ONLY thing that I am required by law to given them is my name and address. I am not required to give them a driver's license (since I was not driving at the time of the infraction) or anything.
TheGrayman1234 7 months ago
Good work. Have you considered answering the "do you have anything on you that [could be considered] a dangerous weapon" with "I'm wearing shoes. a shod foot can be a dangerous weapon. the answer to your question, if i should choose to answer it, would by definition have to be 'yes' otherwise you could charge me with making a false statement. but if I say "yes" you'll charge me with somehow threatening you. so I'm not going to play your rigged games."
disorganizedorg 7 months ago
wow, copwarch fucks, get a fucken life and let them do their job, something you guys should look for instead of being up at that time fucking with people and trying to start shit. now thats a real fuck!!!!!!
7777eddie7777 8 months ago
You guys deserved to be arrested. i dont even care if its legal to do what youre doing or not. Its just plain wrong. Following the police around with cameras..How would you like it if someone followed you around at work all day with a video camera? Then telling people that the police are dealing with that they dont have to listen to the police.You idiots should be ashamed of yourselves! I hope u need the police someday when something serious is going down and they just show up and video you
shmoopify 8 months ago
Of course they were not arrested for loitering, there is no reason for it. Your video makes no sense. Cop Watch are a bunch of losers that think they know the law. Your sad group was loitering by legal definition. Have you ever heard of being a public nuisance? I'd say "find a new hobby" but judging by this one, you have absolutely no skill sets in life.
viruslived 8 months ago 2
these are the most obnoxious cop watch twats I've ever seen what a bunch of assholes who THE FUCK do they think they are helping?
Why don't these queers watch criminals instead of fucking with the police and creating a public disturbance? I wouldn't want these crap bags loitering all night in front of my place of business, they look like scumbags just out to cause trouble
Blahblobify 8 months ago
You have the right to observe, BUT NOT INTERFERE!!!!
cjsav12491 8 months ago 2
@cjsav12491 Nice!
dilober 3 months ago
@cjsav12491 The did not interfere! This is pure harassment. Did these people interfere with cops doing their job? Nope. This is abuse of authority, plain and simple. Cops need to be held liable for their injustices.
ElGatoLoco698 3 months ago
You guys have no idea what you are doing, and you don't know your rights at all. I know copwatchers are supposed to be "trained", but how ever trains them is obviously even less intelligent then these morons.
cjsav12491 8 months ago
@curtisthe6th Recent Supreme Court rulings say you must verbalize your intent to excercise your rights. Failing to state that you do not consent to a conversation or search implies that you consent. That is what's stupid.
tjhombs 8 months ago
I dont consent to this, I dont consent to this.. how dumb. Without an ID, it can land you in jail too for ID hold. If you want to taunt cops, you better know your rights and the law. Seems to me you guys were stalking the Officers all night as the clips skipped around
napkins714 9 months ago
@napkins714 There is nowhere in the US that you are required to carry an ID card. Some jurisdictions require you to identify yourself when asked, but that merely means stating your name. You can not be arrested for not having ID.
tjhombs 8 months ago
@tjhombs "You can not be arrested for not having ID."
John Doe is wanted. How can you prove that you are not John Doe?
Hmm...
dilober 3 months ago
@napkins714 Nice!
dilober 3 months ago
I saw two crimes committed by the copwatchers in this video.
1) When the lady said "you don't have to talk to them"... she was interfering with an investigation / obstructing justice.
2) When they said you had to leave... and you refused... you committed the crime of loitering / trespassing (assuming the store owner wanted to prosecute criminally). You can film the police away from the business.
...Just saying that there are legal ways to "cop watch" and this isn't it.
Vindaven 9 months ago
@Vindaven Informing a person of their rights is not obstruction.
They had a lawful reason to be there, and the police do not have the right to tell them to just leave.
tjhombs 8 months ago
@tjhombs Show me in statute where it says, "Informing a person of their rights is not obstruction". If it prevents the officer from conducting an investigation it is by definition "interfering with an investigation". You refusing to leave makes that point even more and may also make you guilty of loitering and trespassing.
Vindaven 8 months ago
@Vindaven You forget that we live in the land of the free. If it's not illegal, then it's legal. Show me in statute where it says that talking to someone while they are talking to an officer is illegal. In most cases, officers are more than happy to let people talk forever - the more a suspect talks, the more information the police can gather. They only get upset when what is said amounts to, "Shut Up!"
tjhombs 8 months ago
@Vindaven Loitering can only a crime if you are there for no purpose, or if you are doing something that is otherwise illegal. Watching the police and informing suspects of their rights is a purpose, and is not illegal.
It is impossible to trespass on public property.
tjhombs 8 months ago
@tjhombs In front of a business is considered part of that business and is private property.
Vindaven 8 months ago
@tjhombs FYI, Reminding the suspects of their rights is not your job
dilober 3 months ago
@tjhombs "Loitering can only a crime if you are there for no purpose"
Were you in the club? If you answered no...
dilober 3 months ago
@Vindaven Nice! Great points!
dilober 3 months ago
If you have'nt seen the series of documentaries Police State 2000,Police State 2,3 and 4 then you really need to watch them because they explain what's been happening with police training since 2000.They are being Millitarised and many cops are returning vets from Iraq and Afghanistan,Don't get me wrong I've seen some pretty good American cops but the bad apples spoil it for the rest.It's no wonder many people don't trust them.They should just follow the constitution,they are the good ones.
2wheels88 10 months ago
I don't think they are aloud to look through your telephone without a warrant and they have to be specific on that warrant as to what they're looking for.I am not sure about that because I'm not American but from what i've seen and heard i believe I'm correct.I wish people would do a follow up video part2 to let us know what happened next.e.g. court case ,further harrasement,fines you know a general comment by vidiographer.Keep up the good work.
2wheels88 10 months ago
@2wheels88 According to the Recent California Supreme Court Decision In P. v. Diaz, the High court discussed and applied several cases that have been ruled upon by the US Supreme Court over the years; In relying heavily on the interpretations of the USSC, the decision of the California Supreme Court, allows anytime a person is arrested, for any crime, it does not matter, any "Personal property ... immediately associated with [their] person", is subject to search without a warrant.
scanstockton209 9 months ago
@scanstockton209 That is probably because they are using terms such as PERSON which is a maritime commercial law term meaning corporation,it does not mean human being you need to look at the difference between legal and lawful the prior deals with legislation not law, legilation is for commercial entities such as banks but they treat you as a corporation because u consent to it unknowingly.Checkout Jordon Maxwell on Maritime commercial law to get a better understanding,also freeman on the land.
2wheels88 9 months ago
@scanstockton209 Thanks for the info but i also belive that if u are arrested searched and not charged with anything you can sue them for false arrest!!!
2wheels88 8 months ago
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@2wheels88 "Thanks for the info but i also belive that if u are arrested searched and not charged with anything you can sue them for false arrest!!!"
Do you also believe that you will be screwed if you are charged with something???
dilober 3 months ago
You copwatchers wanted their attention, so you got it.
02DodgeViper 10 months ago
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@02DodgeViper "You copwatchers wanted their attention, so you got it."
Yeah next time they will strip down naked. One of my so called cop watcher friend told me that
dilober 3 months ago
Who was the store owner who committed the felony by signing a false complaint? More to the point, what is the name and address of the business that will soon see a nosedive in their business?
disorganizedorg 11 months ago
I hate the police but you did deserve massive a beatdown
ArchThomp 1 year ago 2
@ArchThomp agreed
02DodgeViper 10 months ago
@02DodgeViper Nice !
dilober 3 months ago
" I dont consent" does not work if you are breaking the law! I hope you guys learned your lesson!
bubbaroy73 1 year ago
you were interfering with police questioning 3 drunk women who could have been arrested for public intoxication. You have to right to interrupt police when they in a situation!
bubbaroy73 1 year ago
Nothing lmao you guys are Lame
bcrawlie1 1 year ago
what ever came of this? please tell me a lawsuit was filed
intellectualgiant911 1 year ago
Any one have any complaints against OFFICER LEMUS? send them to modestocopwatch@live.com or send us a message on youtube. your voice will be heard!
209copwatch 1 year ago
Any one have any complaints against OFFICER LEMUS?
209copwatch 1 year ago
@209copwatch nope looks like he's doing his job to me
02DodgeViper 10 months ago
@209copwatch Yes.
He is an awesome cop!
dilober 3 months ago
@CjoC12491 don't cops always say things to people like "if you've got nothing to hide," so why are they so afraid of the cameras? Respect is earned, not taken, and simply putting on a uniform does not earn any respect. Public servants in public places do not have the right to stop individuals from filming them. Maybe they wouldn't be so worried about cameras (you think they aren't briefed about such things?) if their very training and standard operating procedures didn't breach common law.
JohnBabiuk 1 year ago
@N3wEra89 The Men in Blue by Everlast
"The Police Deparment is like a crew it does what ever it wants to do"
209copwatch 1 year ago
Officer Lemus asked you for ID because they were checking on underage club patrons. The camera crew were loitering meaning if they don't have a business there, leave.
Officer Oaxaca does a great job looking for low frequency transmitter that's being used as detonators around the building by the terrorists.
OMG!!! I don't consent...... how about shut the F*** up.
If people are requested to leave for loitering and come back to the location again, they are trespassing.
dilober 1 year ago 2
@dilober loitering is a misdemeanor, not an arrest able offense. There is a difference, learn it. Low Frequency transmitters and terrorists huh? Wow. Any action regarding the loitering must come with a direct complaint from the property owner, and the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. Officers can ask for id all they want you aren't required to give it to them unless you are under arrest, at which time you must be informed and immediately processed.
JohnBabiuk 1 year ago
@JohnBabiuk The owner of the club, aka (citizen), aka the dude who don't want your type guys over there, aka the dude you don't even know, who has the right to call the wonderful police, was there. You just don't know the plaintiff. No wonder you didn't become a cop because your mind is so so unstable. Thank god!
dilober 6 months ago
@dilober they aren't INSIDE the club. They are in PUBLIC. Sorry pal, PUBLIC domain. EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE.
If the sidewalk is CITY property, it's owned by the PEOPLE, not the CLUB. Tell me again, on which indictable offense did the club owner claim offense and sign a statement or file an affidavit? If he didn't the Police are breaking the LAW by breaching the peace while engaging the cop watchers. Of course, if the cops or club owner had nothing to hide, then why fear the camera?
JohnBabiuk 6 months ago
@JohnBabiuk Freedom of speech and press, I guess,
You guys can say anything you want to, right or wrong,
Because you don't have the balls to wear the uniform.
dilober 3 months ago
@dilober I don't need to be a chicken shit jack boot thug who hides behind a thin blue line. You're right.
JohnBabiuk 3 months ago
@dilober You deserve your rights, but you aren't mature enough to handle them. Stop being part of the problem.
dallassailor 6 months ago
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@dallassailor freedom of speech.
you guys can say anything, right or wrong
:)
dilober 3 months ago
@dallassailor How am I being part of the problem? What did I do wrong?
dilober 3 months ago
I have witnessed the tides change rapidly from safe to dangerous downtown. At least one of those three girls was obviously having trouble standing on her own (May we say drunk in public)? Cops are citizens like you and me who have a job enforcing laws. You watch any HUMAN BEING long enough and they will mess up somewhere.
The problem is not with the cops, it's with the general public and their sorry lack of understanding of their own damn rights and laws.
someguyinsantaclara 1 year ago
@209copwatch --> You should spend more time educating the masses on their right instead of busting out cops for making mistakes.
someguyinsantaclara 1 year ago
lame, this vid is lame and so is the geek with the camera
MrDownclown 2 years ago
this is police interfering. you are loitering. if you are hanging around a business that is closed you are not there for that business at business hours yeah youre loitering so checkl out the local lawsa from city to city. you are loitering. penal code
jteenorcal 2 years ago
On October 16, 1995, California Governor Pete Wilson signed into law a "loitering" bill that makes it possible for police to arrest someone they suspect is engaging in drug dealing or prostitution
209copwatch 2 years ago
The text of the law lists ten actions police and judges can look for to determine if a person has such requisite intent to engage in drug trafficking. A defendant may be considered having the requisite intent if he or she:
209copwatch 2 years ago
1-Acts as a "look-out."
2-Transfers small objects or packages for currency in a furtive fashion.
3-Tries to conceal himself for herself or any object that reasonably could be involved in an unlawful drug-related activity.
4-Uses signals or language indicative of summoning purchasers of illegal drugs.
5-Repeatedly beckons to, stops, attempts to stop, or engages in conversations with passersby,.. on foot or in a motor vehicle, indicative of summoning purchasers of illegal drugs.
209copwatch 2 years ago
6-Repeatedly passes to or receives from passersby, whether on foot or in a motor vehicle, money or small objects.
7-Is under the influence of a controlled substance or possesses narcotic or drug paraphernalia ... including, but not limited to, roach clips, cigarette papers, and rollers designed or marketed for use in smoking a controlled substance.
209copwatch 2 years ago
Is currently subject to any order prohibiting his or her presence in any high drug activity geographic area.
Has engaged, within six months prior to the date of arrest under this section, in any behavior described in this subdivision ... [or] in any other behavior indicative of illegal drug-related activity.
209copwatch 2 years ago
We were not loitering and if you want to get real technical, loitering violates our first amendment rights to peacefully assemble in public spaces. BOOYA!!!
209copwatch 2 years ago
Coming at this from an ethical standpoint here, they must've had a reason as to why they were questioning the three girls. You then interfered wit their investigation, and thus being a pain. And harassment? Just because you don't consent doesn't mean that you can't be arrested. I could yell that while being arrested too, doesn't mean that they don't have the right to arrest me for a crime. AND him looking through your phone was part of his investigation. What did he do wrong again?
zchamberlain2012 2 years ago
Ethics, you want to speak about ethics? pendejo!cops dont have ethics, atleast not the ones i think you are refering to. The pigs involved were constantly engaging interaction with the copwatchers and just because the pigs talk to you does not mean they have a real reason to do so besides to make one up, especially when you are just passing by.....we dont have to consent to anything if we have not broken any laws.
209copwatch 2 years ago
@209copwatch you dippshit ever heard of lawful order!!!!
7777eddie7777 8 months ago
@209copwatch My only question WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU.... seriously WHO ARE YOU to question ANYONE'S job.. Have you seen everything they go threw EVERY FUCKING DAY? are you an Ex cop? or do you just watch tv, and youtube, Pick on cops till they bust and have a idiotic theory based off that... god damn people are stupid.
Active1820 8 months ago
@zchamberlain2012 so informing somebody about their rights since clearly the cops do not. If you do not apply your rights, the cops will not respect them. Cops regularly abuse people's rights, in fact, they are trained to. They intimidate and harass people to get them to waive their rights rather than stand by them. It's absolutely sickening. Google cops advice on dealing with cops, and take a read on what a retired cop tells you. Then take off the blinders and open the eyes.
JohnBabiuk 1 year ago
@JohnBabiuk, do I have to ask a retired cop when I'm the son of one? Do I have to see what goes on when I've been on over 50 ride alongs with over a dozen different officers? I don't understand how you can pick and choose your information according to a Google link... Furthermore, it's the citizen's responsibility to KNOW their rights, and if they don't know them, that's their own fault. Cops don't abuse people's rights (as a whole, because you're making generalizations on a few), and what's
zchamberlain2012 1 year ago
@JohnBabiuk wrong with trying to get someone to waive their rights? The other option they have is to be cleared of all pending investigations. I KNOW there are bad cops, but I also KNOW that 99% of cops are out there to serve and protect. If you were to talk to most police officers that are new, they'd do the job for free. They'd PAY to do the job if they had to. Most love their job and are trying to help the public. I don't know what blinder's you yourself are looking through...
zchamberlain2012 1 year ago
@zchamberlain2012 Achieving consent through deception. Think of the meaning of the word and tell me, is deception a tool of good or a tool of evil?
What blinders, I don't have the thin blue line in my blind, so I don't have the blinders on pal. I watch bully cops beat up homeless people because "who's gonna care" and "what are you gonna do about it" (direct quotes from the cops).
Serve and protect should include from bad cops as well. How many do that? How many back up their brothers instead?
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JohnBabiuk 1 year ago
@zchamberlain2012 The fact that the cops allowed the girls to leave implies that they had not committed a crime, otherwise the girls would not have been allowed to leave and the MCW also would have been subject to the crime you referred to. Unfortunately you're ignorant of your rights. You can not be legally arrested without probable cause. In this case, the police would have been guilty of a class A misdemeanor for unlawfully violating their right to film in public, at least in Texas.
dallassailor 6 months ago
@dallassailor How about paying some respect to man in uniform
I wonder why you would call 911 for
dilober 3 months ago
Where does it say you have a right to Observe a Peace Officer?
mrblueskies3 2 years ago
You can film anywhere in public. It doesn't mention cops specifically. But if you are in public... Did you know you can also film your own court hearing? You just have to go through some hoops but its legal to do so.
cursivedragon 2 years ago