Premarital sex is in the Bible friend. Matt 15:19; Mark 7:21; Acts 15:20,29; 21:25; 1Cor 5; 6:8,9,13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 2Cor 12:21; Gal 5:19; Col 3:5; 1Thes 4:3; 1Tim 1:10; Heb 12:16; 13:4; Jude 1:7; Rev 2:14, 20; 21:8 among many others. You could say that sexual immortality isn't premarital sex but that is not the truth of it friend. You ALSO can also be easily caused to lust after a woman (7 deadly sins), commit adultery even just by looking at a woman to lust. This is not inhumane in my opinion
@R11110000 This is all I will say for now: Throwing a bunch of verses that are read through a modern mindset (muddled by 2000 years of man's traditions), and reading those verses without the cultural/historical perspective involved, original language, etc. doesn't prove a whole lot. It's like me tossing out 1 Cor 7:29 and Psalm 51:5 as proof that ALL sex, and even marriage itself, is sin. I still have another video to make on this topic.
@scotthorlbeck Sounds good. I don't want to offend but I am just responding to a differ of opinion from your video. I do believe the Bible talks about sex in it and for a good amount of it, I understand the greek translation (at least more than the average person) and can still relate it to not having sex until marriage (at least for sure that the Bible talks about it)
Unanswered prayer-How we think things should happen is not necessarily how God thinks they should. If you wreck your car, you could of ran over someone instead if you didn't wreck it etc... Salvation for your friends is not up to you or your prayer (SADLY if I may add). it is your friends choice bec of free will & how do you not know that he helped them in a way where they could accept him. It is ok to Doubt. You are not born a Christian & you have to doubt the old way & new way to become one.
dmac333100 The true church will be a collection of both Jewish people and Gentile people. The enemy curse his name satan wants to divide and conquer, just like the nwo plans to do, they would have us destroy each other. Both faiths are guilty of being antagonistic toward each other. Is there a faith out there in happy land that consist of both Jews and Gentiles bonded together by the love of Yeshua? Two wrongs don't make a right. Time is short don't waste it.
dmac333100 The true church will be a collection of both Jewish people and Gentile people. The enemy curse his name satan wants to divide and conquer, just like the nwo plans to do, they would have us destroy each other. Both faiths are guilty of being antagonistic toward each other. Is there a faith out there in happy land that consist of both Jews and Gentiles bonded together by the love of Yeshua? Two wrongs don't make a right. Time is short don't waste it.
@BoreyKelew1992 Sadly, Carlin's commandment is ignored in favor of the religious commandment to "Go into all the world preach the gospel to every creature." Note that it says "creature" not "human" (as I recall, at least).
God ALWAYS answers prayers 3 simple answers, yes, no, and wait. God could have said yes, no, or wait. so your prayers are NEVER unanswered. I ask for patience all the time and you can't just say "God I want patience" and automatically get it. When you ask for stuff like that you will get challenges. Unfortunately for people who deconvert they end up 7 times worse then they were when they were with the faith
@B4RBI3gyrl "Yes, no, and wait." Funny, that's exactly how Zeus answers prayer. That's also how a magic 8 ball answers, and a jug of milk. I prayed to my chair this morning and it said "no" also! Just be honest with yourself, and hold God to his promises. Ask according to his will in faith, and if he STILL doesn't keep his promises, then he doesn't deserve your belief.
@scotthorlbeck He already answered my prayersask and its given (as long as its for the uplifting of the kingdom) he healed me when i was attacked by a dog and the doctors said i was going to die 7 yrs ago he healed my grandmother when the doctors said she was going to die and gave her 6 months to live. that was decades ago. He's answered my prayers of patience and when I asked him to send me 1 friend that loves Him as much as I do he sent me MANY I asked him to save my friend and he did
@B4RBI3gyrl Could these things have still happened if you had prayed to a car instead? (Hypothetically?) Could these things have happened without any prayer? You really should learn about "confirmation bias" (look it up on YouTube). We are pattern seeking creatures. We see pigs and horses in the clouds when they really aren't there--it just looks like it. Likewise, we also see patterns in the way our lives work out, but we are just connecting the dots we want to see and ignoring the rest.
@B4RBI3gyrl I asked God for MANY things that I DID feel like he said "yes" to. But there were clear promises in Scripture that he did not honor, and I saw no difference in the way he answered prayer than in the natural unfolding of life. What sickens me is that Christians are never allowed to be honest about this, to have a little doubt. No, no, we must ignore reality, stick our fingers in our ears, cover our eyes, and make sure we keep on believing no matter what. To me, that is foolishness.
@scotthorlbeck yes that is foolishness, thats what i call being brainwashed and brother if the church you went to told you guys that then you were either at the wrong church or you were the wrong denomination or something. I've questioned my faith tons of times and when i do question it i study the Bible and I study other religions and in the end my questions are answered and I'm drawn so much more to Christianity my church has NEVER forced somebody to keep believing
@B4RBI3gyrl Even if your church has never forced somebody to keep believing, the Bible itself seems pretty clear about doubt and disbelief being a sin. And that is a cult mentality. Don't question the leader! Don't doubt or he will punish you! I read an article a while back that essentially said, "If you cannot question what you are taught, if you cannot doubt or challenge authority, you are in danger of being victimized and abused."
@scotthorlbeck the Bible doesn't force peopleto keep believing and it doesn't say that asking about your beliefs is a sin you might have been in one of those cult religions that say they are a branch of Christianity that change the Bible to fit their beliefs
@B4RBI3gyrl "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16:16. "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15. Clearly you need to read the Bible more. We are threatened with eternal torture if we don't believe. If that's no coercion, I don't know what is.
@scotthorlbeck THAT'S what your getting at. That's not what you orginally said, you said that the Bible says its a sin to ask questions and your forced to keep believing. NOBODY is forced to keep believing i mean you obviously stopped correct? Yes Christians believe that if you are not a follower of Christ you won't be able to enter heaven but nobody is forcing you to stay, people join and leaven Christianity every day, don't change what you said.
@B4RBI3gyrl I don't remember what I originally said, but that is what I was getting at. I do not think the Bible says it is a sin to "ask questions" but it obviously doesn't allow you to reach your own conclusions. We are coerced into believing its claims through threats of torture. That is the very definition of what it means to be forced to do something. But once you realize the threats are all bullshit (there's not a shred of REAL evidence to back them up), it's great to break free.
@scotthorlbeck Well hey Once again they tell you whats going to happen but you can still walk away at anytime ... didn't you? and all the evidence I need is in the Bible, and from what the Bible says its not great to break free infact it says you get 7 times worse, I get what i inquire of the Lord because I remind Him of His promises which I guess is something you didn't do we can go back & forth but i'll never deconvert being an antichrist isn't really something I want to be
@B4RBI3gyrl Right. Neither of us will convert each other, so let me just say this: hold God to his promises. And I mean REALLY hold him to his promises. Don't rationalize or pretend he's answering when he isn't. Really, actually, truly hold him to his promises. And when he DOESN'T keep them, have the guts to be HONEST with yourself about it. That is what I did. That is all I did. (Don't think I never banked on his promises, or that I never reminded God of them.)
@B4RBI3gyrl Well, you can read it again and learn from it, just click on the link in the inbox, we are still at the top page.
It started with your "God ALWAYS answers prayers 3 simple answers, yes, no, and wait." , witch means nothing, see watch?v=tAHsMsqOuU0
So since you really claim "I get what i inquire of the Lord because I remind Him of His promises" , I asked you to pray for water to Africa, you are so unique so please act for humanity.
@ytbabbler first of all i'm not watching your videos, they won't improve my life in any way shape or form, so I'm not intrested, second I'll pray for Africa but if you are that passionate about Africa having water then why don't YOU pray for it? I'm done talking to you, have a nice day :-)
@ytbabbler Really? Because my pastor has prays for me all the time and its helped me so much, even today some problems I was having are gone, you can't tell me that prayer doesn't work, because I'm a living witness it does,
I don't ignore knowlegde whats ignorant is to believe that the world came out of nothing, humans haven't fixed a THING for me, they've done nothing but make my life hell and God delivered me from it all.
aint a thing you can say that will make me question God
@B4RBI3gyrl When I wrote that prayers don't help, I mean prayers can't change events in the nature and things like that, but of course, a pastor is better then nothing, they know the brain, break it and fix it.
We who lives where theists are just a small minority, we have professional clinics and doctors for problems like that, and peoples cares about each other, and nobody force you to believe the same first..
You believe the world came out of nothing + magic , I don't. (science is the answer).
@ytbabbler really? Because prayer HAS changed events in nature, even little stuff like head aches I pray about and they are gone instantly. And pastors, know the brain break it and fix it? ok no comment on that one, all the theist I've ever met had something bad to say about me.
I believe the world was created, I don't believe in magic, you believe the world exploded into existence. Science can be made up and i hate science anyway its the worst subject ever
@B4RBI3gyrl Ohhhhdear. You do believe in magic, you just call it something else.
A God (who created him) spend a few days to make this planet in the dark, and our sun.
Then as a little bonus, he did 200 billion more Suns in this galaxy, and even a bigger number of galaxies, FROM NOTHING, if that is not magic, nothing is.
You don't know science other then from dishonest propaganda.
Next time you get an infection or worse, you will trust medics from peoples that are hated by your cult.
@ytbabbler first i DO NOT believe in magic, second don't tell me what i do not know because you don't know me, third I'm not in a cult, if you think Christianity is a cult then you either need to figure out what a cult is or you need to do some homework on Christianity, and not from theist from actual Christians fourth why are you even talking to me anyway? None of your foolishness moves me my pastor knows things about me I never told ANYBODY so I'm ending this convo right here
@ytbabbler Just one more thing regarding Christian moral (it's sick)
Search for "norway massacre" , One Christian man got crazy and killed 84 peoples that had a political junior meeting. By pure statistic, more then 70% of the teenagers he killed where atheists.
So now, the question. Who will be tortured in hell for eternal time?
If your religion said that the ONLY thing God check in "the book of life" is if we are good or bad, unrelated to if we love Jesus or not, your religion had been sane,
How can you say you felt the Holy Spirit & then deny it exists? How do you see "your" unanswered prayers as evidence against Christianity? Where in Christs teachings does he promise to answer any or all prayers outside of God's will? Since when can you logically judge Christs teachings based on what you observe others doing in his name? Not even the Pope speaks for Christ..although he would have us all believe he does.
@violetember the "church's" attitude toward sex as being unbiblical? So your premise is the Bible should be a standard we should hold to regarding sex, yet our wavering from that standard is a reason to disbelieve in Christ? ?? and lastly, your view about the differences in the ressurection "accounts" are just that. "accounts". Have your read & analyzed the content of "A Case For Christ" by Strobel? Do you believe the history supports his existence yet those died for their 1st hand belief lied
@violetember If you haven't watched my videos on sex yet, check those out. My point is that the church's teachings on sex are so WILDLY different from what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS that I had enormous difficulty respecting a god who would give us his holy perfect Word and then allow us to misinterpret it THAT BADLY for two thousand years. What kind of a father lets his children get so far off course? Don't give me that free will crap either. If you love your children you set them straight.
@scotthorlbeck You fall into the unsound reasoning like all others before you that blame God for not "making" humans follow his will by force and then say free will can't be the reason he doesn't. Foolishly you throw free will aside whereas it IS the reason. You can't FORCE your children to love you. This is elementary ethics & logic. Free will MUST exist in order for LOVE to have any meaning. Sorry that you think not allowing the correct conclusion helps you win the argument. Bad reasoning.
@scotthorlbeck One of his commandments is to love him...but he doesn't force you. Just like he commands us not to murder, but doesn't prevent people from doing so. This shows the ultimate allowance of free will when an all powerful God wishes one thing and ALLOWS us to do the opposite if we choose. You can "choose" to break his commandments & deny him his rightful place in your life, BUT you won't be able to deny his holiness once you pass into eternity with him or apart from him, your choice
@violetember Emotions are not truth, they are just emotions. "Feeling" the Holy Spirit is an emotion. Does that prove He exists? No. Kids are often afraid of monsters under their beds. The fear is very real, but the monsters are not. This is a truth I cannot ignore. As far as unanswered prayer, I stated that I was praying for things that were clearly WITHIN God's will, as revealed in Scripture. I stand by my statement, "Most Christians are too wishy-washy to demand that God keep his promises."
@scotthorlbeck I'm not sure what "emotions" you are referring to. I didn't mention emotions in my statement. I did mention men willingly going to their death for standing firm on what they witnessed. Not nearly the same thing. Why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge truth? These men didn't die for an emotion. They simply couldn't deny the truth they knew. You're just a spoiled selfish person who didn't get what he wanted. Now you're mad & stomping your feet. You will meet him one day!
@crosscarrier1192 So it doesn't matter to you that the Bible is truthful in what it says about our origins? (Don't give me that "metaphor" crap, by the way...)
its nota religion, its a relationship.. i agree with scotthorlbeck.. also your prayers, the motives behind them much be right or jusice. and YES GOD DOES ANSWER PRAYER... just becuz what you want doesnt happen. God answers prays in different ways.. he sees the big picture. also when you pray for something, you have to act on your faith. pray and then act. you have to do your part dont be lazy about it
"What good is a one-sided relationship with an invisible person who doesn't keep his promises?" That's a classic line, man. I'm liking your videos. Christopher Hitchens is even more blunt as he puts it in one of his lectures, I paraphrase, 'the inducement to simultaneously love and fear someone is the hallmark of sadomasochism.' Congrats on your leaving religion.
Scott - Thanks for being honest about your journey. Well presented. You are certainly not the first to struggle with any of these issues. Have you ever read the book "Disappointment with God" by Phillip Yancey? He talks about a lot of what you are sharing here. I could not find your parts 2 or 3... Are they up yet?
I would love to talk about this with you more. Do you still have my email address?
I thought your comment about evolution and the bible being incompatible was interesting. I've always wondered why theists fight so hard against evolution. I hope you make that video.
@BurntEngineOil Evolution and the Bible account of creation are so horribly incompatible, it's disgusting. I simply cannot stand the view that God somehow "guided" evolution and that Genesis 1 is metaphorical. That idea is NOT very well thought out, as I will hopefully explain at some point!
Very nice, Scott. Congratulations on thinking for yourself. Question everything. Especially those things that are not "supposed" to be questioned. One of the best things my parents taught me :)
Scott, you've got courage. I'm 71 years old, and although I didn't ever really believe in Christianity, I did my best to work at it. I finally gave up and accepted that it's mythology, like all the other creation stories. My sister is a hard core Christian, but I can still talk to her. She's given up trying to "save" me. It's sad, because she believes I'm going to hell. Oh, well.
That's great that you had the courage to make this decision. So many so called Christians do not really believe in the church or the teachings. They are just afraid to face up to their contemporaries and say so. I'm 61 yrs old now and I became an agnostic when I was 13! It took me a long time to tell and share with someone by true beliefs.
Premarital sex is in the Bible friend. Matt 15:19; Mark 7:21; Acts 15:20,29; 21:25; 1Cor 5; 6:8,9,13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 2Cor 12:21; Gal 5:19; Col 3:5; 1Thes 4:3; 1Tim 1:10; Heb 12:16; 13:4; Jude 1:7; Rev 2:14, 20; 21:8 among many others. You could say that sexual immortality isn't premarital sex but that is not the truth of it friend. You ALSO can also be easily caused to lust after a woman (7 deadly sins), commit adultery even just by looking at a woman to lust. This is not inhumane in my opinion
R11110000 4 months ago
@R11110000 This is all I will say for now: Throwing a bunch of verses that are read through a modern mindset (muddled by 2000 years of man's traditions), and reading those verses without the cultural/historical perspective involved, original language, etc. doesn't prove a whole lot. It's like me tossing out 1 Cor 7:29 and Psalm 51:5 as proof that ALL sex, and even marriage itself, is sin. I still have another video to make on this topic.
scotthorlbeck 4 months ago
@scotthorlbeck Sounds good. I don't want to offend but I am just responding to a differ of opinion from your video. I do believe the Bible talks about sex in it and for a good amount of it, I understand the greek translation (at least more than the average person) and can still relate it to not having sex until marriage (at least for sure that the Bible talks about it)
R11110000 4 months ago
@R11110000 Quit calling him friend as you lie to his face.
VvDOPAMEANvV 1 month ago
Unanswered prayer-How we think things should happen is not necessarily how God thinks they should. If you wreck your car, you could of ran over someone instead if you didn't wreck it etc... Salvation for your friends is not up to you or your prayer (SADLY if I may add). it is your friends choice bec of free will & how do you not know that he helped them in a way where they could accept him. It is ok to Doubt. You are not born a Christian & you have to doubt the old way & new way to become one.
R11110000 4 months ago
dmac333100 The true church will be a collection of both Jewish people and Gentile people. The enemy curse his name satan wants to divide and conquer, just like the nwo plans to do, they would have us destroy each other. Both faiths are guilty of being antagonistic toward each other. Is there a faith out there in happy land that consist of both Jews and Gentiles bonded together by the love of Yeshua? Two wrongs don't make a right. Time is short don't waste it.
dmac333100 5 months ago
dmac333100 The true church will be a collection of both Jewish people and Gentile people. The enemy curse his name satan wants to divide and conquer, just like the nwo plans to do, they would have us destroy each other. Both faiths are guilty of being antagonistic toward each other. Is there a faith out there in happy land that consist of both Jews and Gentiles bonded together by the love of Yeshua? Two wrongs don't make a right. Time is short don't waste it.
dmac333100 5 months ago
As the late, great George Carlin would say -- "Keep Thy Religion To Thy Self."
BoreyKelew1992 6 months ago
@BoreyKelew1992 Sadly, Carlin's commandment is ignored in favor of the religious commandment to "Go into all the world preach the gospel to every creature." Note that it says "creature" not "human" (as I recall, at least).
scotthorlbeck 6 months ago
@scotthorlbeck True. True.
BoreyKelew1992 6 months ago
God ALWAYS answers prayers 3 simple answers, yes, no, and wait. God could have said yes, no, or wait. so your prayers are NEVER unanswered. I ask for patience all the time and you can't just say "God I want patience" and automatically get it. When you ask for stuff like that you will get challenges. Unfortunately for people who deconvert they end up 7 times worse then they were when they were with the faith
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl "Yes, no, and wait." Funny, that's exactly how Zeus answers prayer. That's also how a magic 8 ball answers, and a jug of milk. I prayed to my chair this morning and it said "no" also! Just be honest with yourself, and hold God to his promises. Ask according to his will in faith, and if he STILL doesn't keep his promises, then he doesn't deserve your belief.
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck He already answered my prayersask and its given (as long as its for the uplifting of the kingdom) he healed me when i was attacked by a dog and the doctors said i was going to die 7 yrs ago he healed my grandmother when the doctors said she was going to die and gave her 6 months to live. that was decades ago. He's answered my prayers of patience and when I asked him to send me 1 friend that loves Him as much as I do he sent me MANY I asked him to save my friend and he did
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl Could these things have still happened if you had prayed to a car instead? (Hypothetically?) Could these things have happened without any prayer? You really should learn about "confirmation bias" (look it up on YouTube). We are pattern seeking creatures. We see pigs and horses in the clouds when they really aren't there--it just looks like it. Likewise, we also see patterns in the way our lives work out, but we are just connecting the dots we want to see and ignoring the rest.
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl I asked God for MANY things that I DID feel like he said "yes" to. But there were clear promises in Scripture that he did not honor, and I saw no difference in the way he answered prayer than in the natural unfolding of life. What sickens me is that Christians are never allowed to be honest about this, to have a little doubt. No, no, we must ignore reality, stick our fingers in our ears, cover our eyes, and make sure we keep on believing no matter what. To me, that is foolishness.
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck yes that is foolishness, thats what i call being brainwashed and brother if the church you went to told you guys that then you were either at the wrong church or you were the wrong denomination or something. I've questioned my faith tons of times and when i do question it i study the Bible and I study other religions and in the end my questions are answered and I'm drawn so much more to Christianity my church has NEVER forced somebody to keep believing
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl Even if your church has never forced somebody to keep believing, the Bible itself seems pretty clear about doubt and disbelief being a sin. And that is a cult mentality. Don't question the leader! Don't doubt or he will punish you! I read an article a while back that essentially said, "If you cannot question what you are taught, if you cannot doubt or challenge authority, you are in danger of being victimized and abused."
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck the Bible doesn't force peopleto keep believing and it doesn't say that asking about your beliefs is a sin you might have been in one of those cult religions that say they are a branch of Christianity that change the Bible to fit their beliefs
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16:16. "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15. Clearly you need to read the Bible more. We are threatened with eternal torture if we don't believe. If that's no coercion, I don't know what is.
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck THAT'S what your getting at. That's not what you orginally said, you said that the Bible says its a sin to ask questions and your forced to keep believing. NOBODY is forced to keep believing i mean you obviously stopped correct? Yes Christians believe that if you are not a follower of Christ you won't be able to enter heaven but nobody is forcing you to stay, people join and leaven Christianity every day, don't change what you said.
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl I don't remember what I originally said, but that is what I was getting at. I do not think the Bible says it is a sin to "ask questions" but it obviously doesn't allow you to reach your own conclusions. We are coerced into believing its claims through threats of torture. That is the very definition of what it means to be forced to do something. But once you realize the threats are all bullshit (there's not a shred of REAL evidence to back them up), it's great to break free.
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck Well hey Once again they tell you whats going to happen but you can still walk away at anytime ... didn't you? and all the evidence I need is in the Bible, and from what the Bible says its not great to break free infact it says you get 7 times worse, I get what i inquire of the Lord because I remind Him of His promises which I guess is something you didn't do we can go back & forth but i'll never deconvert being an antichrist isn't really something I want to be
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl Right. Neither of us will convert each other, so let me just say this: hold God to his promises. And I mean REALLY hold him to his promises. Don't rationalize or pretend he's answering when he isn't. Really, actually, truly hold him to his promises. And when he DOESN'T keep them, have the guts to be HONEST with yourself about it. That is what I did. That is all I did. (Don't think I never banked on his promises, or that I never reminded God of them.)
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck yeah so on that note I'm ending this convo and i always hold God on His promises
B4RBI3gyrl 7 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl Well, it's not the best to break into others discussion , but I can't resist :-)
I will congratulate Scott for getting out from that mental trap, it's strong of him.
First, you have no evidence in the bible, tell one and it will be properly debunked as fiction.
If your prayers are answered, we need your help badly, pray for water to Africa, they are dying now, HURRY!! , forget your own comfort for a moment.
How to verify the "truth" in the bible.. watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE (my favorite)
ytbabbler 6 months ago
@ytbabbler i'm sorry what was the point in your comment? by the way my discussion with this guy ended 2 weeks ago
B4RBI3gyrl 6 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl Well, you can read it again and learn from it, just click on the link in the inbox, we are still at the top page.
It started with your "God ALWAYS answers prayers 3 simple answers, yes, no, and wait." , witch means nothing, see watch?v=tAHsMsqOuU0
So since you really claim "I get what i inquire of the Lord because I remind Him of His promises" , I asked you to pray for water to Africa, you are so unique so please act for humanity.
And forget about a doctor, you never need it :-)
ytbabbler 6 months ago
@ytbabbler first of all i'm not watching your videos, they won't improve my life in any way shape or form, so I'm not intrested, second I'll pray for Africa but if you are that passionate about Africa having water then why don't YOU pray for it? I'm done talking to you, have a nice day :-)
B4RBI3gyrl 6 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl To pray is to do NOTHING, just as "I pray for you" really means "I can't do anything for you"
Yeah, ignore knowledge and stay ignorant for the rest of your life if you feel comfortable with it.
Let the rest of the humans fix all problems for you while you thank God for it.
I sent money, not much since I don't have much, but it help more then nothing I hope.
I hope you don't try to answer, it will be just embarrassing..
Don't forget the regular 10000 miles praying for your car.
ytbabbler 6 months ago
@ytbabbler Really? Because my pastor has prays for me all the time and its helped me so much, even today some problems I was having are gone, you can't tell me that prayer doesn't work, because I'm a living witness it does,
I don't ignore knowlegde whats ignorant is to believe that the world came out of nothing, humans haven't fixed a THING for me, they've done nothing but make my life hell and God delivered me from it all.
aint a thing you can say that will make me question God
B4RBI3gyrl 6 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl When I wrote that prayers don't help, I mean prayers can't change events in the nature and things like that, but of course, a pastor is better then nothing, they know the brain, break it and fix it.
We who lives where theists are just a small minority, we have professional clinics and doctors for problems like that, and peoples cares about each other, and nobody force you to believe the same first..
You believe the world came out of nothing + magic , I don't. (science is the answer).
ytbabbler 6 months ago
@ytbabbler really? Because prayer HAS changed events in nature, even little stuff like head aches I pray about and they are gone instantly. And pastors, know the brain break it and fix it? ok no comment on that one, all the theist I've ever met had something bad to say about me.
I believe the world was created, I don't believe in magic, you believe the world exploded into existence. Science can be made up and i hate science anyway its the worst subject ever
B4RBI3gyrl 6 months ago
@B4RBI3gyrl Ohhhhdear. You do believe in magic, you just call it something else.
A God (who created him) spend a few days to make this planet in the dark, and our sun.
Then as a little bonus, he did 200 billion more Suns in this galaxy, and even a bigger number of galaxies, FROM NOTHING, if that is not magic, nothing is.
You don't know science other then from dishonest propaganda.
Next time you get an infection or worse, you will trust medics from peoples that are hated by your cult.
ytbabbler 6 months ago
@ytbabbler first i DO NOT believe in magic, second don't tell me what i do not know because you don't know me, third I'm not in a cult, if you think Christianity is a cult then you either need to figure out what a cult is or you need to do some homework on Christianity, and not from theist from actual Christians fourth why are you even talking to me anyway? None of your foolishness moves me my pastor knows things about me I never told ANYBODY so I'm ending this convo right here
B4RBI3gyrl 6 months ago
@ytbabbler Just one more thing regarding Christian moral (it's sick)
Search for "norway massacre" , One Christian man got crazy and killed 84 peoples that had a political junior meeting. By pure statistic, more then 70% of the teenagers he killed where atheists.
So now, the question. Who will be tortured in hell for eternal time?
If your religion said that the ONLY thing God check in "the book of life" is if we are good or bad, unrelated to if we love Jesus or not, your religion had been sane,
ytbabbler 6 months ago
How can you say you felt the Holy Spirit & then deny it exists? How do you see "your" unanswered prayers as evidence against Christianity? Where in Christs teachings does he promise to answer any or all prayers outside of God's will? Since when can you logically judge Christs teachings based on what you observe others doing in his name? Not even the Pope speaks for Christ..although he would have us all believe he does.
violetember 7 months ago
@violetember the "church's" attitude toward sex as being unbiblical? So your premise is the Bible should be a standard we should hold to regarding sex, yet our wavering from that standard is a reason to disbelieve in Christ? ?? and lastly, your view about the differences in the ressurection "accounts" are just that. "accounts". Have your read & analyzed the content of "A Case For Christ" by Strobel? Do you believe the history supports his existence yet those died for their 1st hand belief lied
violetember 7 months ago
@violetember If you haven't watched my videos on sex yet, check those out. My point is that the church's teachings on sex are so WILDLY different from what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS that I had enormous difficulty respecting a god who would give us his holy perfect Word and then allow us to misinterpret it THAT BADLY for two thousand years. What kind of a father lets his children get so far off course? Don't give me that free will crap either. If you love your children you set them straight.
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck You fall into the unsound reasoning like all others before you that blame God for not "making" humans follow his will by force and then say free will can't be the reason he doesn't. Foolishly you throw free will aside whereas it IS the reason. You can't FORCE your children to love you. This is elementary ethics & logic. Free will MUST exist in order for LOVE to have any meaning. Sorry that you think not allowing the correct conclusion helps you win the argument. Bad reasoning.
violetember 5 months ago
@violetember If God wants us to FREELY love him, then why does the Bible COMMAND it?
scotthorlbeck 5 months ago
@scotthorlbeck One of his commandments is to love him...but he doesn't force you. Just like he commands us not to murder, but doesn't prevent people from doing so. This shows the ultimate allowance of free will when an all powerful God wishes one thing and ALLOWS us to do the opposite if we choose. You can "choose" to break his commandments & deny him his rightful place in your life, BUT you won't be able to deny his holiness once you pass into eternity with him or apart from him, your choice
violetember 5 months ago
@violetember I'm going to save my breath and let nonstampcollector answer your comment: watch?v=aUtSM2oVy_E
scotthorlbeck 5 months ago
@violetember Emotions are not truth, they are just emotions. "Feeling" the Holy Spirit is an emotion. Does that prove He exists? No. Kids are often afraid of monsters under their beds. The fear is very real, but the monsters are not. This is a truth I cannot ignore. As far as unanswered prayer, I stated that I was praying for things that were clearly WITHIN God's will, as revealed in Scripture. I stand by my statement, "Most Christians are too wishy-washy to demand that God keep his promises."
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
@scotthorlbeck I'm not sure what "emotions" you are referring to. I didn't mention emotions in my statement. I did mention men willingly going to their death for standing firm on what they witnessed. Not nearly the same thing. Why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge truth? These men didn't die for an emotion. They simply couldn't deny the truth they knew. You're just a spoiled selfish person who didn't get what he wanted. Now you're mad & stomping your feet. You will meet him one day!
violetember 5 months ago
as for evolution, it dont matter to me how it happend/ how we came to be.. all i know is God is the cause and the reason.
crosscarrier1192 8 months ago
@crosscarrier1192 So it doesn't matter to you that the Bible is truthful in what it says about our origins? (Don't give me that "metaphor" crap, by the way...)
scotthorlbeck 8 months ago
its nota religion, its a relationship.. i agree with scotthorlbeck.. also your prayers, the motives behind them much be right or jusice. and YES GOD DOES ANSWER PRAYER... just becuz what you want doesnt happen. God answers prays in different ways.. he sees the big picture. also when you pray for something, you have to act on your faith. pray and then act. you have to do your part dont be lazy about it
crosscarrier1192 8 months ago
Thanks. I've recently talked about my own departure from religious belief and magical thinking. It is the most difficult vid I've done so far.
MacNutz2 8 months ago
@MacNutz2 Isn't it? It's very difficult!
scotthorlbeck 8 months ago
"What good is a one-sided relationship with an invisible person who doesn't keep his promises?" That's a classic line, man. I'm liking your videos. Christopher Hitchens is even more blunt as he puts it in one of his lectures, I paraphrase, 'the inducement to simultaneously love and fear someone is the hallmark of sadomasochism.' Congrats on your leaving religion.
HistorySkeptic 8 months ago
@HistorySkeptic Thanks! Feel free to use it. ;)
scotthorlbeck 8 months ago
@scotthorlbeck Your line is a good response to the trite quip most evangelicals say, "it's not a religion, it's a relationship!"
HistorySkeptic 8 months ago
God did care, years and years ago. Why should he even bother with humans in today's world? Would you?
Runkleforskin 1 year ago
Scott - Thanks for being honest about your journey. Well presented. You are certainly not the first to struggle with any of these issues. Have you ever read the book "Disappointment with God" by Phillip Yancey? He talks about a lot of what you are sharing here. I could not find your parts 2 or 3... Are they up yet?
I would love to talk about this with you more. Do you still have my email address?
schmeanj 1 year ago
I thought your comment about evolution and the bible being incompatible was interesting. I've always wondered why theists fight so hard against evolution. I hope you make that video.
BurntEngineOil 1 year ago
@BurntEngineOil Evolution and the Bible account of creation are so horribly incompatible, it's disgusting. I simply cannot stand the view that God somehow "guided" evolution and that Genesis 1 is metaphorical. That idea is NOT very well thought out, as I will hopefully explain at some point!
scotthorlbeck 1 year ago 2
@scotthorlbeck I look forward to it.
BurntEngineOil 1 year ago
3:59 we had the wrong motives when we asked.... (James) (and its our fault not gods is a popular excuse always)
extremely well done video.
lambchopxoxo 1 year ago
Very nice, Scott. Congratulations on thinking for yourself. Question everything. Especially those things that are not "supposed" to be questioned. One of the best things my parents taught me :)
doubt=open door for knowledge!!
saltyslug 1 year ago
Scott, you've got courage. I'm 71 years old, and although I didn't ever really believe in Christianity, I did my best to work at it. I finally gave up and accepted that it's mythology, like all the other creation stories. My sister is a hard core Christian, but I can still talk to her. She's given up trying to "save" me. It's sad, because she believes I'm going to hell. Oh, well.
pixl8ed1 1 year ago 5
That's great that you had the courage to make this decision. So many so called Christians do not really believe in the church or the teachings. They are just afraid to face up to their contemporaries and say so. I'm 61 yrs old now and I became an agnostic when I was 13! It took me a long time to tell and share with someone by true beliefs.
CXCHAVEZ1 1 year ago