A Question of Arab Unity- Unity Betrayed -04Feb08 -Ep 2 Pt 1

[Yazen1965]

India and China both have over a billion people with different languages so the language argument against one Nation is absurd.

[translationwiz]

Watching this again...... some of the Arab-leaders could have been interviewed for this interesting documentary. To hear what their position is. Whenever leadership brings power, corruption is right behind. Perhaps, and for all of humanity, leadership shouldn't be such an elevated, excessively, rewarding position. When a person seeks to be leader, he is the one that should be denied it. And thats why we dont have unity in Arabia. It would mean relinquishing power/wealth.

Thanks

peace/salam

[PROJEK3]

persian, turks , and kurds are attacking arabs and dont give a fuck about islam.and are very racist towards arabs and all ways trying to control us thats why we should be united so we wou'nt be pushed back to the desert by nations that are much smaller then us.if these people gave a fuck about islam they would learn arabic to read the quran

[translationwiz]

Islam can no longer be the unifying element. Im a muslim and I know this. Why? Muslims are so divided themselves. Islam can be used to form a foundation for a nation. It is the salvation for our souls but not the way to deal w/the world around us.

Arabs must return to the path Nasser paved for us. With some improvements and moderations we can live in harmony. but of course few will accept it. so, lets work on being the best individuals we can. And let unity happen naturally? huh?

peace.

[pharaonicvs]

the biggest mistakes those arabs did in their lifes was to betray the ottoman turks. look now where they are

[deewana16]

interesting that christian scholars fostered a secular arab natinalism , and than christian colonist and their secular governments move in to colonize the place...and the problem is some how non-arab muslims?

[translationwiz]

Arab disunity began at the same time unity did. Why? Who should rule. And then they started bringing people from the outside to help them fight for power. Then the outsider took over what he helped earn. Its almost funny but it isn't. the enemies of the arabs are simple: pride;envy;jealousy;greed;whic­h then breeds ignorance. All b/c one arab wanted to rule and not the other did none of them rule. This is in the history books. but if we dont admit to this we will repeat it again.

[89dontwatchdat]

i never knew somalia was part of the arab world

[hamaz]

Nonesense, alkawakibi was blind and his ideologies extremely nonsensical. In islam, arabs, non-arabs, black, white, are all equal and the most dear to allah is he who has most taqwa. As long as there is a pious MUSLIM as a Khalifa, then all is well. I am an arab, and these ideologies of supremacy are the factors of downfall to all ambitious countries. We must be muslim brothers, united by our faith, peace and concord.

[kanatlisair]

Speak brother! :)

[gaajo99]

Al-kawakibi is only being logical, an Arab country should only be ruled by an Arab leader. I would not want an arab leader ruling my country {Somalia} I don't care if he is prophet Mohamed's son or Abu baker himself. Lol he said Islam was corrupted by non-Arabs ok Mr. kawakibi!

[n0gar]

93% or arabs are not arabs!

[Ayerab]

religion in itself is divisive and has an element of elitism. Sects within Islam and Christianity and Judaism will only lead to violence as shown by extremists. If Europe united without a common language,religion and culture why is it that Arabs can't? We need a secular democratic,socialistic movement -and not the Ba'ath party, the problem is: what is "Arabic"? Whats to be done with ethnic/religious minorities and to stop nationalism of today i.e lebanon,syria etc..

[n0gar]

That's because so-caled arabs are not a race and Islam is the only thing holding them together. Europe united under white supremacy even though they clearly let it be known that some are whiter than others. You can't unite peoples who never asked to be invaded and have a bullshit religion forced upon them.

[mjcard]

would you welcome a non arab, non muslim into this discussion?

[chappelle87]

why not? So long as they had knowledge on the background and the issues... Europe is FAR from united my friend

[Zizoufoot]

I am an Arab and I don't have a problem with a non-Arab good muslim ruling me. However you cross the line when you say Arabs messed up, as a muslim, you should know better than that.

[Zizoufoot]

I'll say this again, Arabs were nothing before Islam and were nothing when they abandoned it, do the math.

[chappelle87]

look up mesopatamia - although i agree with the non-arab muslim ruling idea though, couldn't care less which background they had so long as they're a good Muslim

[hamza1947]

whats wrong with stupid arabs?united they would be a superpower..but divided they are fuck all...get together you idiots and make yourself proud to be arab again...

[amrjosef]

Only islam can unite us???  Why only islam,, how come the europe with difference realigions with diffrence language unit and we need religion,, Wake Up!!

[saed7171]

true that .. not only religion can unite us as a matter of fact it cant because not all arabs are muslims

[Zizoufoot]

I'm Arab and I agree with you, nationalism is a plague, it's disgusting, look at what it has done to the Kurds, and after all one of the greatest leaders of the Crusades was a Iraqi Kurd. To be fair, nationalism not just Arab nationalism is bad and should be avoided.

[Zizoufoot]

Arabs were nothing until Islam came, and Arabs will continue to be nothing if they do not hold on to it.

[Zizoufoot]

I second that

[WaleedRahman]

May someone please give me some info on Abdul

Rahman Al Kuaqabi; Perhaps a link where I can read more about this man?

[smartzazi]

who said they should lead or not?

no one of the ethnicities you said has ruled Arabs "without" the name of "Islam" which happened 400 years long by Ottman turks, only.

If you read history, no one has ever ruled Arab by force, and if that happened, he was no longer lasting.

[kespec]

turksruled you with force, turks took caliph from you by content? no ofcourse they were dominating you both military and culture, you couldnt say anything. what would you say no you could not take it? they would crush you and what force means is this.

[352715]

Arabs dominated all non arab muslims with their religion and their Arab Prophet..The turks pray in Arabic not the otherway round.

[saifudeenkutuz]

@352715

the non-arab muslims dominated arabs longer look at the years

Ayyubid dynasty 1171-1250

Mamluks 1250-1517

ottomans 1517-1920s

[352715]

@saifudeenkutuz

1-you follow muhammad an arab prophet

2-the quran is in arabic

3-Arabs are more numerous than turks

4-you pray 5 times towards Mecca THE heartland of arabia

5-you pay pilgrimmage to mecca

6-YOU USED TO USE THE ARBIC ALPHABET DURING OTTOMAN TIMES Who is dominating whom you fool.

Islam Means ARAB IMPERIALISM.

ISLAM IS AN ARAB WAY TO DOMINATE.YOU ARE FOLLOWERS OF THE ARAB WAY...YOU PRAY IN HIS LANGUAGE FOLLOW HIS RELIGION...

Before Islam Turks were pagans..

[saifudeenkutuz]

i am not turk don't call a fool, if you actually follow the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) then you wouldnt call me that and after you say his name you would send blessing upon him. plus Islam means submission to Allah. Plus the prophet (pbuh) said - "Every prophet was sent to their nation, but I was sent to mankind." (sahih bukhari)

[saifudeenkutuz]

The prophet said -O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than a black person and a black person is not better than a red person, except in piety. (Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978)

[saifudeenkutuz]

Don't be jahill and racist. I mentioned non-arabs ruled you guys does that make us better than you?!

I used the word dominated in past tense not dominating as in the present tense.

[SCORPION890095]

@352715 No, god sent the quran in arabic because he saw the arabic language as diverse and picked the prophet because he has chosen him to be his prophet, also the kabba was located in mecca and constructed by abraham before mecca became a major settlement and muslims are comanded to pray towards the kabba, so, mr.know-it-all, you were incorrect, im not suprised, because apperantly you support israel.

[saifudeenkutuz]

@352715 the non-arab muslims dominated arabs longer check the years out

Ayyubid dynasty 1171-1250

Mamluks 1250 -1517

Ottomans 1517-1920s

[352715]

@kespec

1-you follow muhammad an arab prophet

2-the quran is in arabic

3-Arabs are more numerous than turks

4-you pray 5 times towards Mecca heartland of arabia

5-you pay pilgrimmage to mecca

6-YOU USED TO USE THE ARBIC ALPHABET DURING OTTOMAN TIMES

Islam Means ARAB IMPERIALISM.

[EdyPegasus]

This is a very good point to make. All nations rise and all nations fall.

[Tereeb]

gumacyare YOU ""contradicted"" yourself. YOU said "Arabs messed up islam and Allah took away the blessing that came with islam from The Arabs They have been cursed with cruel kings and dictators" I asked "Who r those Arab?" YOU said "the Arab kings" YOU didn't answer my question!!! Who are the Arab messed up islam and got ""cursed""? YOU were talking about Arab in general. Who r they? --- I thought u said Toqea --- Who told u that all the Arabs r satisfied about their situation. --

[crazeehat]

Watever it is, i blame the British, French and JEWS!

[Tereeb]

Dude, if we have bad people, that does NOT menn we all bad.

by the way, Sunna do NOT use taqwa.

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YOU should not attempt to differentiate us. WE all believe in one God and no one is better that any one. May Allah gather us again as we were.

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YOU said "Arabs messed up islam"

Who are the Arab u are talking about? Be reasonable please????

[agwa1alasadi]

qumacyare >>> take it easy

[persiandudeee]

LAjazeera is a panarabist news channel, they are bunch of facists.

[schwingrocker]

what happened to the orignial videos? When are new ones coming out?

[TheHistoryOfIslam]

The Prophet Muhammad SAWS was fighting lowly ideologies and paganisms such as 'Arabism' in his own times, and he seeked Islamic unity and not a unity based on race, tribe, colour or language. It is not 'Arabism' that is keeping the current crusading armies of the west stalled in the current 'colonialist enterprise' in the Muslims' lands, it is the powerful counter offensive of the reawakening of the Muslims or as their enemies label it: 'Islamism'.

[3yearappentice]

@TheHistoryOfIslam well said

[ahmed337799]

@TheHistoryOfIslam

.There can never be a united islamic nation because there are too many different languages and cultures, e,g the persians would never accept to unite with arabs, the indonesians are too far to unite with anyone,etc,etc. however, 350 million people share the same cultural/linguistic/ethnic identity and you claim uniting them is against islam. Show me a verse in the Quran that says so or shut your piehole.

[SJJGautham08]

@TheHistoryOfIslam So what happens to all the non-Muslims in the Middle East if Islamism takes over? Do they have to accept being second-class citizens like they were under Ottoman rule? How is that in any way just?

[Azamspazam91]

@SJJGautham08 depends what it means to be a "second class citizen." as a title it sounds degrading but if they are treated with justice, are given political rights and are not discriminated against socio-economically they have no reason consider being "second class citizen" a bad thing.

[SJJGautham08]

@Azamspazam91 Perhaps, but they were NOT treated with justice during the Ottoman period, so why should they trust the Islamists now? Keep in mind that in most cases, the Christians living in the Middle East have a greater right to the land, since they were there long before the Muslims, and they have preserved the traditions of their ancestors in a way Muslims have not. So why should they accept living in a Muslim state? That is an insult to their honor.

[Azamspazam91]

@SJJGautham08 I think that point is fairly relative. Some minorities and even those of the majority were mistreated; all societies have flaws in their legal system.

My point is, if a legal system creates an atmosphere, or a social environment where minorities feel disrespected and degraded in anyway solely because of their cultural or ethnic practices there must be a peaceful means of alleviating that. Western society, uses democracy for an environment where minorities feel they have a say.

[SJJGautham08]

@Azamspazam91 Yes, democracy is fine and all, but what kind of democracy? If Muslims want to live under sharia law, they should be free to do so. But under no circumstances can minorities be expected to have a subservient status, even if only on paper. I think each individual community should be free to decide it's own legal system for the members of that community. In other words, the state itself should be secular, but with provisions for separate religious laws for Christians and Muslims.

[Azamspazam91]

@SJJGautham08 In a sense that's exactly how Medina was run by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). We would never call it secularism though or separation of Church and State..In the Muslim world such a practice would only be implemented (assuming those in power are responsible Muslims,) if it becomes a confirmed fact by credible religious scholars that its the responsibility of the Muslim society to provide justice and equality to ethnic and religious minorities.

[SJJGautham08]

@Azamspazam91 Of course it is the responsibility of Muslim societies to provide justice and equality to ethnic and religious minorities. Why do you need "credible religious scholars" for that? The real question is how they do it. It is essential that the minorities are able to manage their own affairs with no interference, and that their cultural heritage is protected.

[Azamspazam91]

@SJJGautham08 (1/2) ahh, see coming from modern western society created out of the Enlightenment in Europe, you see minority rights as an obvious responsibility of the authorities (although it took until the 1970's for "the west" to achieve a meaningful end to racism and sexism with the civil rights act.)

In the Muslim world, minority rights was assumed as the obvious responsibility of the authorities since about 620 (death of the Prophet (pbuh.)) It wasn't until the Mongol invasions that ->

[Azamspazam91]

@SJJGautham08 2/2 the Muslim world became so close minded. The mongol invasions destroyed the libraries in Baghdad (ironically known long ago as the City of Peace.) Developed literature and Islamic knowledge faded from intellectual circles and it became reduced to its present pitiful state.

Pluralism is based on intellectual scaffolding which was removed with the destruction of Islamic knowledge. Nonetheless the most significant social power still resides in legitimate religious authority.

[SJJGautham08]

@Azamspazam91 I'm not approaching this from a Western perspective, and I'm certainly not a follower of "Enlightenment" ideas, which were rooted in Western European society to begin with. I see this as a universal issue. Every nation and every community must be able to control its own cultural institutions. Obviously, the Islamic world has still not recovered from the Mongol Invasions. But that does not justify pan-Islamism if Islamic governments are unable to protect their native minorities.

[Azamspazam91]

@SJJGautham08 Well written, I agree with you for the most part.

In the Muslim world, the credible authority should, must and will come from the scholars of Quran and Sunnah. The level at which they will be beneficial to society is proportional to how educated the society is. An educated Islamic society will no doubt be just and pluralistic in effect. That does NOT mean it will be liberal and secular in the western sense of the phrases. France and America aren't our role models.

[JimmyeDallas]

A society which is governed by the theological interpretations of a few Clerics derived from a book written in the 7th Century ie."scholars of the Qur'an", is inherently theocratic in nature. That is not a free and pluralistic society, that is the tyranny that can be exemplified in Iran and Saudi Arabia - societies that have that have institutionalized the barbaric practices of public stoning and beheading. Any other society in the world would be a better example of development and progress.

[Azamspazam91]

@Azamspazam91 Just don't expect a society like America or France. We don't need a greedy banking system that vacuums all the wealth to the top 1%. We don't need women walking around naked in the streets with a demented sense of self worth based on her appearance. We don't need a huge industrial military complex that obtains expensive resources by force under the pretext of "giving the gift freedom and democracy".

There are just too many reasons the Muslim world won't align with "the West"

[flynn1967]

get a grip u lot are bonkers with your relegion

[85More]

You, sir or madam, are bonkers for claiming that all Arabs follow the same religion.

[darkmarsh77]

Agreed. Flynn, just don't say anything unless it's relevant or somewhat informed.

[soni204]

now its time to gather again coz if we dont than thire will be no muslim on the face on the earth. we have to unite and we have to creat khilafat again by negociation. thats the only way we can get prosperity and a apecial place in the world, other wise we will be beaten by the west again and again. like we are being in afghanistan and iraq.

[Kroque]

LONG LIVE TO THE BATH PARTY

[IsseIkram]

And where is did Bath party now? Arabs were united because of Islam and the only things that can unite them again is Islam.

Long Live to Islam and muslims

[agentoxide]

islam has many different sects and enough devisions to cause conflicts..so u really can't say that Islam can unit arabs.

it divides them

[agentoxide]

lol

it doesn't matter how many ppl dont like my comment..it's not my problem u guys cant deal with facts

isn't it a fact that islam is split into dozens of sects after the death of Mohammed?

al-Quran is the only way to unit them b/c there only one version of it..unlike al-hadieth or al-seerah where thousands and thousands of volumes exist..creating this division in history in islam

[Zizoufoot]

more than 90% of muslims belong to one 'sect', so yea very divisive

[agentoxide]

sure...90% of Muslims belong Sunni Islam

but you should know that it has many school of thought, with four main sects..Hanafi, Shafi`i, Maliki and Hanbali and many other theological traditions developed since the early days of Islam. Islam is a rich philosophy and i don't expect scholars to agree on everything. but that by it self doesn't mean that a conflict should exist.

[DivineLove247]

Al Kawakabi was an idiot, and it is idiots like him, and ALL the Arab leaders since world war 1, that despite the Arabs having been blessed with the oil riches under their feet,that idiots like them have made this oil blessing to become a curse for the Arabs!