@wardka You are most welcome! I love this group so much. Every time I listen I hear something new, a layer, a time sign. change, an enharmonic string of notes. The drums/percussion is what I mainly focus on, being a drummer. So glad you heard it too!
I love how, at 9:15, Fripp plays the melody again! This band is the epitome of musical genius, practice practice practice making perfect. Wish I could get musically involved in something like this. I'm a drummer in the St. Louis area looking to create/compose music along similar vein with.
@AnArdentChemist Decades of listening to the album version of this piece and I don't think I ever noticed that melody reprise before. I've noticed similar acrobatics with other art rock pieces, (especially with Gentle Giant) and other Crims pieces, I just never noticed it in this one before. Thanks for that.
Lazymaven you are totally correct I have bootlegs from late '73-that include this song,also I have heard snippets of sections of this song on some other bootlegs and a few wierd intros and wierd transitions from songs off "Lizard"and"Islands"The blue moon effect was trippy or shall we say frippy... this lineup of KING CRIMSON is my favorite(I really like Discipline era stuff also 1979-1984 Adrian Belew is awesome)What a great band- Fripp is so freaking phenomenol
I don't know what program this performance is from, but Crimson was regularly performing "Starless" for some time before the release of Red. It was written and originally intended for the Starless And Bible Black LP (go figure), but as I understand it, Fripp didn't care for the song at first. Still, they played and developed the song extensively on the road in the first half of 1974. Since the previous LP was released in January of '74, I assume the song was around in some form since '73.
THE GREAT DECEIVERS(KING CRIMSON tribute band) play on Friday, January 20th, 2012 at 10pm at The Universal Bar and Grill in North Hollywood near Universal City. Don't miss them. They play songs like Starless, Lark's 2, Exiles, 21st, 3 of a Perfect Pair, Vrooom Vrooom and Fracture!!!
Anyone know which TV program this was recorded for and when / where? It obviously predates the "Red" LP - different lyrics, the closing section at the end isn't finished (its just an improv unlike on Red) and David Cross is still with the band as a real member with the violin taking the initial lead (yes I know he played on the Red version but that was dubbed in.
This is very much a record of a "work in progress" - but when / where? Are there any more from this source?
@ButtsexV2 you're completely retarded then. you would rather annoy people than show support for one of your favorite bands (that doesn't even get much attention at all nowadays).
@itsaskybluesky Never heard of that, even though I know he was England's favorite bass player for a while. I know the Toni Iommi thing well enough though.
@Fudgaboutit They are an early draft- Richard Palmer-James (the lyricist at the time) only finalized the set used on the "Red" album shortly before it was recorded. Some of these early "Starless" lyrics made it into "Caesar's Palace Blues" from the second U.K. album.
@801liveable Wishbone Ash, Mogul Thrash, lots of good session work with Eno. Manzanera, Ferry, Gordon Haskell, Steve Hackett ... but he never sounded better than the KC Red LP & the tours for Larks Tongues & Starless & Bible Black, check the official bootleg 'The Night Watch'.
@drhowarddrfinedrhowa I know Wetton did a lot of things with Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music, in fact I saw Wetton with Ferry, 2 times 1974 & 77 but I didn't know his collaborations are that broad..I know he teamed with Eno, but I didn't know Wishbone Ash..That's interesting..Thanks for the info..
Somewhat different from the original "Red" version, but impressive, anyway. And a very acceptable video quality, according to those years. So Fripp was a freak even en those days.
@mootbooxle i think he just kept repeating the first verse and mumbling his way through it so no one would notice. then he gets all emphatic when it comes to time to say 'starless and bible black' as if relieved because it's the only part he remembers with certainty lol
Wetton was indeed a prolific and dynamic bass player and vocalist...some of his most interesting and accomplished work was with Crimson for sure, but check out any of the recordings he made with the Roger Chapman led group, Family...some really beautiful progressive rock, kind of defines the genre in a way...
@801liveable UK is personally my favorite. They have a live concert posted on here called UK- Penns Landing, Philadelphia, Pa 8/8/78. John Wetton's bass playing during that concert makes me wish I was born back then, haha.
@Yarsh52 i like WETTON, when he was with ROXY MUSIC 1974....he also played with BRYAN FERRY..1976-77..i was around back then for all of that..saw him live 3 times..quite good..
@801liveable its cuz hes a solid bass player who's also an awesome lead singer- which is a huge plus for any band cuz it leaves the guitarist(s) open to fully utilize the guitar as a lead instrument. (seen here in Fripp's case) Think about it, basically every band with the bassist on lead vocals is fucking rad. Also, Wetton is good-looking so he gives whatever prog-rock band full of ugly dudes hes in some sex appeal. Lol, Wetton you lucky (*also talented, dont get me wrong) bastard!!! hahaha
I've listened to this song so many times in the past decades — first on vinyl, then on CD — that it's branded into my brain, almost embedded in my DNA. So it's an amazing treat to hear and see it played live, with myriad tiny differences that jump out at me. I salute that TV station for having the guts to put this on the air, because it's certainly not for everyone.
Miei idoli!
Skittaplatta 1 week ago
simplemente genial!!
ronald9919 1 week ago
a cum 12 times hearing this
judashellramm 1 week ago
30 second ad!
But it was worth every second..
iaintnowasteman 1 week ago
Always loved the tuning on Bruford's drums - very distinctive.
Reckoner65 1 week ago
ITS A MYSTERY.
blackjack12542 2 weeks ago
PURE EMOTION
blackjack12542 2 weeks ago
Some members and former members of the band disliked the video out of modesty...
MFAlexandruYT 2 weeks ago 8
@MFAlexandruYT Best "disliked" comment ever.
RotnRoll77 1 week ago
Oh how we wait for the musical piece to REALLY start at 4:05 !
OlausPulaus 3 weeks ago 2
I WAS BORN 06/30/1974 LOVE IT LOVE LOVE IT.
6974angie 3 weeks ago
the era of creation ! 70s ! simplesmente desbundante !
datubaozi 3 weeks ago
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@wardka You are most welcome! I love this group so much. Every time I listen I hear something new, a layer, a time sign. change, an enharmonic string of notes. The drums/percussion is what I mainly focus on, being a drummer. So glad you heard it too!
AnArdentChemist 3 weeks ago
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HVYMETL 3 weeks ago
Now you have 15000 channels on cable and never see things like this on any of them.
Thanks for the upload menestrello86!
Crisp and sublime!
voidforpurpose 3 weeks ago 2
There have been so many art rock bands in almost half a century, but none comes close to King Crimson
kongpinchen 3 weeks ago
I love how, at 9:15, Fripp plays the melody again! This band is the epitome of musical genius, practice practice practice making perfect. Wish I could get musically involved in something like this. I'm a drummer in the St. Louis area looking to create/compose music along similar vein with.
AnArdentChemist 4 weeks ago
@AnArdentChemist Decades of listening to the album version of this piece and I don't think I ever noticed that melody reprise before. I've noticed similar acrobatics with other art rock pieces, (especially with Gentle Giant) and other Crims pieces, I just never noticed it in this one before. Thanks for that.
wardka 3 weeks ago
takie trochę flaki z olejem..
optimistic1976 4 weeks ago
A Bruins jersey?
ericessable 4 weeks ago
KING CRIMSON = the best band of history
gattinator84 1 month ago 17
@gattinator84 KING CRIMSON en México ¡inolvidable!
ramirowsky 1 week ago
Bruford...what a drumming he had!!
hogweed89 1 month ago
mind. blown.
christ, this even blows my cock right up my ass.
holydrones 1 month ago
= )
sutka333 1 month ago
This is hands down my favorite live performance of all time.
Playjex 1 month ago
Jean Luc Ponte!!
gr8skpz 1 month ago
3 people are not real people...
gr8skpz 1 month ago
Boring.Chato pra caralho.
FIP100IP 1 month ago
Lazymaven you are totally correct I have bootlegs from late '73-that include this song,also I have heard snippets of sections of this song on some other bootlegs and a few wierd intros and wierd transitions from songs off "Lizard"and"Islands"The blue moon effect was trippy or shall we say frippy... this lineup of KING CRIMSON is my favorite(I really like Discipline era stuff also 1979-1984 Adrian Belew is awesome)What a great band- Fripp is so freaking phenomenol
79steelymatt 1 month ago
starless is the greatest song to last centuries !!!!
TheCrosspolo 1 month ago
Unlike other proge, this allways sounds fresh.
raitiovainu 1 month ago
I don't know what program this performance is from, but Crimson was regularly performing "Starless" for some time before the release of Red. It was written and originally intended for the Starless And Bible Black LP (go figure), but as I understand it, Fripp didn't care for the song at first. Still, they played and developed the song extensively on the road in the first half of 1974. Since the previous LP was released in January of '74, I assume the song was around in some form since '73.
Lazymaven 1 month ago
Lisergia pura!
castroviniciusdemarc 1 month ago
ichaelvoland54: Yes. UK was the great group, but unfortunately punk and new wave were so
aggressively "on tapestry" that prog-music was compeletely out-dated at that time.
papmjny 1 month ago
THE GREAT DECEIVERS(KING CRIMSON tribute band) play on Friday, January 20th, 2012 at 10pm at The Universal Bar and Grill in North Hollywood near Universal City. Don't miss them. They play songs like Starless, Lark's 2, Exiles, 21st, 3 of a Perfect Pair, Vrooom Vrooom and Fracture!!!
Elyodachido 1 month ago
Goood
nialho 1 month ago
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vstefanovsky 1 month ago
Fripp kinda looks the actor Liev Schreiber.
mpjgbx 1 month ago
@mpjgbx Shcriber I didn't even see her. You have to be from Sudbury way to get it, lol.
u2bbbbbb 1 month ago
i wish we had TV shows like that today.
rogml 2 months ago
Anyone know which TV program this was recorded for and when / where? It obviously predates the "Red" LP - different lyrics, the closing section at the end isn't finished (its just an improv unlike on Red) and David Cross is still with the band as a real member with the violin taking the initial lead (yes I know he played on the Red version but that was dubbed in.
This is very much a record of a "work in progress" - but when / where? Are there any more from this source?
olddemdike 2 months ago
@olddemdike VERY nice observations. I'm interested, myself.
sakalak 1 month ago
What a band! They're fantastic
silverslater08 2 months ago
I love the drummers energy
pandaking17 2 months ago
Mel, Mel, where's Mel?
The sax and guitar duet is so gooood on the album,
Tonv58 2 months ago
Impresionante !! 4 musicos en estado de gracia, lamentablemente ya no hay bandas como esta actualmente
fabiang2007 2 months ago
I pressed dislike just to spite derkamon. This is one of my favorite songs.
ButtsexV2 2 months ago
@ButtsexV2 you're completely retarded then. you would rather annoy people than show support for one of your favorite bands (that doesn't even get much attention at all nowadays).
TheCharlestonFollies 1 day ago
@TheCharlestonFollies I've shown enough support by buying every single album they've put out and going to every live show I could.
ButtsexV2 21 hours ago
Great stuff!!!
Zappstitute 2 months ago
This particular genesis of King Crimson was certainly the best live performers. The four are my favorites of a long succession of great musicians.
sturmvogel10 2 months ago
Bill Bruford, God among Gods
OldMacFlai 2 months ago
Looks like Ian McDonald, who had returned to play on "Red", is there too :)
itsaskybluesky 2 months ago
John Wetton was also briefly a member of Jethro Tull. That was before King Crimson and, no, he didn't appear on any of their albums.
itsaskybluesky 2 months ago
@itsaskybluesky Never heard of that, even though I know he was England's favorite bass player for a while. I know the Toni Iommi thing well enough though.
tapkae 2 months ago
Not the greatest recording but a true classic nevertheless
colungarer 3 months ago
can't forget UK with Bill Bruford. and Alan Holdsworth
gasnashel 3 months ago
Lay down and listen
puddelisa 3 months ago
@UnchainTheW0lv3s He's unbelievably good
lespaul76 3 months ago
Is he improvising new lyrics on the spot? Why are the lyrics deviating from the studio album song so much?
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@Fudgaboutit They are an early draft- Richard Palmer-James (the lyricist at the time) only finalized the set used on the "Red" album shortly before it was recorded. Some of these early "Starless" lyrics made it into "Caesar's Palace Blues" from the second U.K. album.
DarkeningSkies1 3 months ago
@DarkeningSkies1 Thanks.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
Wow, the violin doesn't sound as good in the studio album! I thought that song was PERFECT!
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@801liveable Wishbone Ash, Mogul Thrash, lots of good session work with Eno. Manzanera, Ferry, Gordon Haskell, Steve Hackett ... but he never sounded better than the KC Red LP & the tours for Larks Tongues & Starless & Bible Black, check the official bootleg 'The Night Watch'.
drhowarddrfinedrhowa 3 months ago
@drhowarddrfinedrhowa I know Wetton did a lot of things with Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music, in fact I saw Wetton with Ferry, 2 times 1974 & 77 but I didn't know his collaborations are that broad..I know he teamed with Eno, but I didn't know Wishbone Ash..That's interesting..Thanks for the info..
801liveable 3 months ago
press dislike and I'll hunt you forever !!
derkamon 3 months ago 49
@derkamon Did you already killed that man?
NoModyy 2 months ago
@derkamon thanks for aggravatin g some cunt
Amirnake 1 month ago
@derkamon I don't like stupids comments like yours so I disliked :) here we go for 4 dislikes :o
Kleasone 1 month ago
10,000th view! Cool!
MrBassmasta1995 3 months ago
Who's the drummer in this video? Kind of looks like stewart copeland
lespaul76 4 months ago
not certain if hes bruins fan, his intials both begin with B, they root 4 soccer their version of football
TheTaxman67 4 months ago
Somewhat different from the original "Red" version, but impressive, anyway. And a very acceptable video quality, according to those years. So Fripp was a freak even en those days.
kolyiken 4 months ago
What's up with the lyrics?? Very different from the version on "RED"! I think John just forgot a lot of them.
mootbooxle 4 months ago
@mootbooxle i think he just kept repeating the first verse and mumbling his way through it so no one would notice. then he gets all emphatic when it comes to time to say 'starless and bible black' as if relieved because it's the only part he remembers with certainty lol
newfuckingwave 4 months ago
She's moving undercurrent
Will i react or will she?
I Can't decide
Maybe I'll make a she of me
Or just my head
If it was spinning I'd break the cycle
And let the waves swallow me down
warlockboyburns 4 months ago
this makes me want to get a new stereo system
warlockboyburns 4 months ago
Fripp is a genius
Schnackelkopf 5 months ago
I saw the 1974 tour when they played San Fransisco but David Cross had left the
band by then. Thanks for this! Bruford used to wear the Bruins shirt with Yes too.
NoelGrassy 5 months ago
@NoelGrassy And With Genesis on their first post-Gabriel tour
nfsriffle 4 months ago
@NoelGrassy
they never performed in brufford-fripp-wetton line up
turtlliwdnifuoyehthr 2 months ago
Wetton was indeed a prolific and dynamic bass player and vocalist...some of his most interesting and accomplished work was with Crimson for sure, but check out any of the recordings he made with the Roger Chapman led group, Family...some really beautiful progressive rock, kind of defines the genre in a way...
calliope83 6 months ago
how many big bands did JOHN WETTON play with? KING CRIMSON..ROXY MUSIC..then ASIA..and probably many others..
801liveable 6 months ago 10
@801liveable Uriah Heep ??
menestrello68 6 months ago
UK
willygator 4 months ago
@menestrello68 Wishbone Ash ?
misterjimmybob 3 months ago
@menestrello68 definitely "Yes."
westprice 2 months ago
@menestrello68 Don't forget the amazing (albeit) short-lived U.K.! John Wetton is probably the most successful bassist in prog rock history!
CStack2Ci 2 months ago
@menestrello68 But Uriah Heep is the only skeleton in his closet...
thefansixties 2 months ago
@801liveable FAMILY,URIAH HEEP...
ksjoyjespeace 4 months ago
@ksjoyjespeace THANKS..
801liveable 4 months ago
@801liveable Family, Mogul Thrash, UK, the list goes on, haha.
Yarsh52 4 months ago
@Yarsh52 thanks..hehe..hoho
801liveable 4 months ago
@801liveable UK is personally my favorite. They have a live concert posted on here called UK- Penns Landing, Philadelphia, Pa 8/8/78. John Wetton's bass playing during that concert makes me wish I was born back then, haha.
Yarsh52 4 months ago
@Yarsh52 i like WETTON, when he was with ROXY MUSIC 1974....he also played with BRYAN FERRY..1976-77..i was around back then for all of that..saw him live 3 times..quite good..
801liveable 4 months ago
@801liveable
UK, Steve Hackett
Bartolucci711 4 months ago
@801liveable ...fuck Asia...how 'bout Family and U.K.?!!
cathoderoy 4 months ago
@801liveable Even he played with a former band called Mogul Thrash
klinkerkk 3 months ago
@801liveable UK
lazlocarreidas 3 months ago
@801liveable
Wishbone Ash!
Jazzmaster11 3 months ago
and U.K
Jazzmaster11 3 months ago
@801liveable its cuz hes a solid bass player who's also an awesome lead singer- which is a huge plus for any band cuz it leaves the guitarist(s) open to fully utilize the guitar as a lead instrument. (seen here in Fripp's case) Think about it, basically every band with the bassist on lead vocals is fucking rad. Also, Wetton is good-looking so he gives whatever prog-rock band full of ugly dudes hes in some sex appeal. Lol, Wetton you lucky (*also talented, dont get me wrong) bastard!!! hahaha
pigeonapocalypse 3 months ago
73-74 King Crimson was the best though.
westprice 2 months ago
@801liveable He played with FAMILY
SouthDundryOB 2 months ago
@801liveable UK too.
Jovicolgada 2 months ago
@801liveable he was also in UK and is on Wishbone Ash - Number the Brave
TheBlackycat 2 months ago
@801liveable
Family, UK ;)
mikedrummer00 2 months ago
@801liveable UK..a very great band
smileshoter 2 months ago
@801liveable
do not forget U.K. ! With Bill Bruford and Allan Holdsworth in the same line-up...
Anyway, maybe here Wetton forgets part of the lyrics?
CrystalSilence2011 2 months ago
@801liveable John Wetton plays with many bands : - Mogul Thrash, Family, King Crimson, Bryan Ferry, Uriah Heep, Phil Manzanera, UK, Atoll.
flymyable 2 months ago
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Wetton with Uriah Heep 2 great albums: Return to Fantasy (1975) and High and Mighty 1976
vstefanovsky 1 month ago
@flymyable He also played with ASIA.
nowbellhere 1 month ago
@801liveable Family ... U.K
thesubstitutes01 2 months ago
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vstefanovsky 1 month ago
@801liveable
Not to forget the greatest K.C. follower, U.K. !!!
Who used to carry on the spirit of KC I (the 1969-74 incarnation) the best.
michaelvoland54 1 month ago
@801liveable Uriah Heep and Family ?
djdjany 1 month ago
una canzone che fa venire la pelle d'oca, un pezzo di storia contemporanea
nomenklaturahippie 6 months ago
Fripp has never messed up once...
ClassicRockMan95 7 months ago
I've listened to this song so many times in the past decades — first on vinyl, then on CD — that it's branded into my brain, almost embedded in my DNA. So it's an amazing treat to hear and see it played live, with myriad tiny differences that jump out at me. I salute that TV station for having the guts to put this on the air, because it's certainly not for everyone.
DDSeever 7 months ago
Who knew Bruford was a Boston Bruins fan?
IwanttoliveinParis 9 months ago 2
WOW
: )
WOW
TiuDindia 9 months ago
Wow, Bill Bruford is absolutely tearing it up, a great performance of one of my favorite Crimson song
perpetualchange1 10 months ago
Awesome man ... very magical moment for the bands and movemnt of "progresive music" cheers!.
jolacolaco 1 year ago
magici
tangerine58 1 year ago 2
emozionante
tangerine58 1 year ago