And if I hear Palin state this quote again, "as a mayor, as a governor, and as a vice president if I am privelidged!" I am gonna scream. How many times must you remind us that you were a mayor and are a governor? Biden doesn't tell us he is the Senate every time he speaks, he talks about the facts, with a story here and there that can be boring but he at least talks about the facts. Palin, I am not sure what she talks about, and I know I am very smart woman.
Obama and Biden on the other hand haven't realy played any dirty games like McCain and Palin have, asking questions about their plans isn't playing dirty, but McCain and Palin twisting the facts is like in their ads and o the Vice President debate. Biden brought up concerns in McCain's plan and asked questions, while Palin attacked Biden like Biden was at fault. It is clear that Obama and Biden are better suited then McCain and Palin to run this country.
McCain thinks he is too good to keep his promises (Letterman show, lets lie and not show up) showing me I can't believe what he says because he will do what he wants to do for his cause. He thought CNN would promote his campaign better then Letterman so he ditched Letterman at the last second. Palin, I am still waiting for something intelligent to come out of her mouth. She sits there and says she is telling ME what Americans want to hear, I am an American and I want her to answer a question!
Stop looking at it democrats vs republicans. This is why I am independent because I refuse to feel forced to support someone based on their party, which is what a lot of people seem to do on both sides. I had the same issues with McCain and Palin before listening to this guy, he is being bluntly honest that these 2 are not fit to run a country. I can't say Obama is better or not, but he hasn't given me a reason to like McCain or Palin to not vote for him yet.
i think everyone has to just step back and look at the big picture here. The bush administration are criminals and should all be in jail and mcain has the same views they do. are you guys asking for another dumbass for president!! listen to his arguments for crying out loud HE MAKES NO SENSE!
hugster your view of socialist states is a complete strawman. Sweden has an employment rate of 97%. Welfare abuse rarely exists and is strictly used as aid for those who are injured on the job, out of a job or pregnant. Scandinavian welfare states make the US look like a third world country in a lot of aspects, yet in your view welfare creates a state where half work and half sit around and collect money. The nordic welfare states are living proof this is not what happens. Take a trip there.
So basically you own your own business, or co-own. Now you say that you will bring in over 1 million. What is the standard of living there, average income, groceries house payment etc?
Maybe tell your republican friends to stop giving so much money to lobbyists and lobbyist causes. The republican party has always and will always be the part of the special interest groups and their lobbyists for the oil companies and drug companies.
Now what would have happened if we didn't have SSI? Not everyones SSI goes to drugs smart one. Just the druggies. Most people use it for groceries etc. Like I said people make bad choices and its hard to get back on their feet. But we are all Human, we all make mistakes. I'm sorry about your father, honestly, and yeah it is sink or swim, but what about the elderly, the disabled, the sick with cancer who can barely afford high insurance premiums. There's more than just druggies out there.
They aren't taxing the hell out of you. My parents make around the same as you do and they are not complaining about their taxes, they only complain when they have to do the tax return paperwork. Okay exactly how did they make their own work. Not everyone can help it if they are laid off because their company is outscourcing. Would you work if you didn't have to? Um no. Path of least resistance. Whoa whoa whoa, I never have and never will ask for a hand out, I don't need any...
Not everyone is doing drugs. Many people are just trying to get by. And if you were'nt making $115,000 a year, then you would certainly have a different outlook on politics.
I respect your service as a police officer but otherwise, you're just a typical republican who is not open to new ideas and I'm sorry but as God said, "And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more". God wanted to help those less fortunate, not leave them out on their own in a Hitler-esque type social darwinism system. They did away with that in the 1600s. Your style is outdated, it's time for some change.
Nobody in any country outside North Korea does this, that's a strawman. In more socialist countries the government simply subsidies smart growth. People living in suburbs who now suffer with increasing gas prices and a housing crisis and the government should not bail out their stupidity, but should offer assistance and better public housing so they can afford apartments and houses closer to work and light rail. Nobody is ever forced to live in condos and apartments, it's just idiotic not to
That was 20 years ago. Employers such as agribusinesses now rely on migrant labor for field work and there literally is nothing that anybody can do about this aside from tackling the employers and forcing them to allow unions and minimum wage. New Zealand, an island nation, tried to deport and detain illegal immigrants in a massive operation through the 1970's, and within a decade the illegal immigrant population was the same. And they're "defended" by an ocean. We would fail even worse.
most americans are in debt, only a minority of americans still have disposable income on parity with europeans (who are still also in debt but not as bad as the US). we buy houses out of our league, multiple cars and have to pay for college and (the most expensive and only mediocre quality) healthcare. we have a horrible "war on drugs" which brings nothing but debt, racism and illogical suppression and we are still drugged up. Income inequality is responsible for this high rate.
By global standards the new deal was a very minor socialist plan. I agree with you about housing because home-ownership is rightfully in decline due to suburban reliance on automobiles and the awareness of the environmental damage suburbs do. The US should phase to smart growth and apartment/condo development rather than suburban sprawl and the fact that many mcmansions are now vacant is just a symbol of our failure to properly plan our civic areas.
Illegal immigrants tend to take jobs for sub-minimum wage work such as agricultural work and landscaping that have no demand from americans. We now rely on illegal immigrants to fill these bottom-level jobs that no Americans are willing to do.
America has higher numbers of hard drug users and soft drug users than socialist nations. Our education system is bad enough that we have such a shortfall in education
they perform perfectly, they have upper-middle to middle class living standards for everyone, rather than one part of the country living in third-world squalor and the owning more wealth than they can deal with. The economy's best measurable quality is how it helps people. If you want to live in a society where a minority (often a racial group) has all the wealth and privileged, you should consider moving to Brazil. Modern nations are mixed market semi-socialist ones. Nobody envies us anymore.
Yes, and what do you do for a living? As I have said I am a student and have asked my parents, neighbors (republican neighbors at that) and all of them have said they had more money in their pockets 10 years ago than now. People don't always make the right decisions we are all human and make those bad decisions. Some people are just not able to learn, aren't cut out for college and aren't intelligent enough to re-learn all of these skills.
OKay, you pay for exporting all the illegals, it will come out of your taxes. The next day they will be right back in no problems because the incompetent republican fools in washington can't protect our borders. All the illegals are working construction etc. a 45 year old male heart attack prone is not able to just go out and work construction or landscaping with the heat waves we have.
You pay your house payment. Now what would happen if you lost your job because your company was outsourcing, and you werent able to get anyone to hire you? Then what? Yes I think that Democrats in Congress are better at spending my money. Not everyone is smart with their money, they would spend it on drugs, beer and cigarettes or waste it. That is why we have SS. Because people are not wise with their money.
...Were it not for WWII and the New Deal (social programs) the great depression would have lasted much longer. Government spending and a slight raise in taxes on non-necessities in times of WAR and economic recession is the best way to combat poverty, the falling education system and economic recession. Mathematically, how much since does it make to take in less money (Bush Tax Cuts) and spend more than you ever have before (3.1 Trillion 2009 Budget)??? Pretty stupid if you ask sensible people.
The job of the government according to the constitution is to provide for the common defense, promote the GENERAL WELFARE!!!! and supply the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. The government's job is to help it's people out of hard times and keep us out of harms way. In the 20s-30s Hoover decided to do as Republicans do and let the economy take care of itself. Volunteer crap, private help. Guess what, that didn't work....
Okay, if we have to pay higher taxes then where are the "Bush tax cuts" that your party so gravely wants. The middle class is paying higher taxes than the super rich. They do want off the floor its just that in an economy that makes elephant shit smell good they aren't able to find a job. Ever been to a job fair? People are turned away because of a surplus of elidgeable workers and a deficit in jobs. People are standing on their feet they just get knocked down by these ridiculus fiscal policies.
welfare states such as scandinavia and western europe are the best economies, living standards, education and worker productivity in the world. A social welfare net is necessary if we want to compete on a global scale and "welfare queens" are a myth. The real unemployment rate in the welfare state of Sweden is 2.4.
You cant argue that welfare is a failed system when all the welfare states are more successful than you. Yikes.
actually hughster, rural and suburban whites also dont meet educational standards either, and they're not systematically disadvantaged like blacks and hispanics. The solution to education problems is to look at what countries far better than us are doing and work from there. Those nations I mentioned do have inner-city minorities btw in increasing amounts, and even they perform better than privileged American whites.
Did I also mention that they are sanctimonious, a pack of crooks, they suck up to power and that they've put our economic future in the hands of China and the Middle East?
Then why is that we the democrats are the only ones who seem to be able to create jobs, get people out of poverty, and increase social programs that help get people back up off the floor and work hard for a living. The republicans are elitist hags who enjoy Golfing in scotland and $250,000 rennovations to their homes without paying a cent for them. Sounds like a bunch of crooks and liars to me. They're so incompetent they couldn't pour pee out of a boot if you wrote the instructions on the heel.
In the most technical language I can give you, your ancestors voted to create a government, a republic that has the Constitutional right to collect taxes, including an income tax according to the 16th amendment. In turn, you no longer are giving her or any other person a cent. It is the federal governments money to spend it on as they see fitting, and frankly I would rather them spend it wisely at home than unwisely elsewhere and on ridiculus policies.
I figured you would say that. Eminent domain under the 5th amendment to the constitution the public could take his private land, with just compensation of course. The ANWR is not public property it is Federally Protected Land beginning in 1960 under Eisenhower.
No, I am way beyond elitist I am a student in college whose parents are middle class and got a very good education at a public school. And if college education were less expensive then more people would get a better education instead of working three jobs to keep up. Others on the other hand are not able to learn as fast and are not suited to just get "some kind of skills or education". If the government sucks under the current administration you can't help it.
you typo a lot apparently because it's acres not akers. So why aren't we drilling on George Bush's 1583 ACRE ranch in texas instead. I mean might as well since it's about the same size. Probably 1 million barrels a day out of there too. Why not dig under your feet? How would you like that?
We need to turn to alternative fuels go hybrid and then turn toward solar, hydrogen fuel cell, air pressure (yes I said air pressure-recent technology in Europe) and other means & take our hands out of oil.
What about the single mothers who are working 3 jobs whose Husband left them. What about them? Or the other single mothers whose husbands who've died? Etc. Etc. Look who's being elitist now. Republicans in Washington don't care about the working class poor, they never have and never will. They care about their wealthy friends, the oil industry, and their country club comrades.
Well maybe if Bushy wasn't sending so much money over seas cleaning up baghdad and spent that same amount of money over here in OUR inner cities cleaning them up and fighting poverty, fighting corruption and fighting off the special interest lobbyists then we might not have people on the streets or poverty stricken families trying to survive on $7.25 an hour.
wrong on many instances or at least countered you. Please come up with something substantial and quit standing up for someone who has a 28% approval rating versus Clintons 72% during impeachment proceedings. Face it 220 million people loved Clinton and 220 million now hate Bush. Clearly I have the majority of all Americans behind me.
Okay if they are only drilling in 200 acres then it won't give us enough oil for it to be worth it anyway, so no thanks. Have you ever seen 200 acres? Okay as for the lies, there is plenty of ways to prove that Bush lied, he lied about the "trifecta", look it up, he lied about him seeing the plane hitting the Towers etc. He lied about Iraq,he lied about WMD he lied to the american people far more that the Clintons did. You have not proven me wrong on anyting I've said and I have proven you on..
Are you even in fucking school? I just graduated and yes the schools do need more funding especially if Bush is going to impose more No Child Left Behind legislation that requires more and takes away from those that dont meet the standards. Parents do have a choice it's called private schools and other open enrollment schools.Okay this first began when one of you guys said that Bush41 was 30x better than Clinton so both Bushs are fair game.Teachers need more money so they can be better educated.
The education system is not necessarily gone to shit, sure it sucks but thats because the GOP in the Senate is too busy giving away billions to the oil industry why Bushy is cutting the education budget every chance he gets. I already mentioned that Bush let bin Laden go in Tora Bora in Afghanistan!! Please don't repeat claims that have been debunked!!!
I haven't deflected any blame I just gave u facts that support my claim that he did what he could have done Bushy on the other hand has done nothing since 2002 to kill/get bin Laden instead he has focused us on Iraq. Uh, my excuse for Anwar, hmm the fact that it is protected under the same conservation attempts that Teddy Roosevelt started makes up a good portion of why he didn't allow the ANWAR drilling. Plus it's just plain retarded to do so.All people lie!!! Including your friend "Ol' W".
the greatest education systems in the world are sweden, denmark, finland, iceland and norway. they have even larger teachers unions and are the most liberal nations on earth. 100% literacy, near 100% graduation rate, #1 rankings in international testing, and plenty of "liberal doctrine"
In many respects Communism is socialism however, socialism is not necessarily communism. So I was still kind of right. Anymore comments about the clintons that I can easily de-bunk? Because so far it's looking like you've lost on each issue.
hughster, only 3 of the 14 problems i listed are opinions (culture, democracy, foreign policy), the rest are facts pulled from independant rankings and analysis. an example: our education system ranks 20th-24th in the world in testing (reading and science), with a full 1/5th of the population not being able to identify the USA on a map
Yes as a matter of fact most of it fell before Bushy even had a chance to get settled in the White House. By 1991 USSR fell and a year later, poor HW performed so poorly with the nation that he just vanished off the face of the earth in a crumbling election that saw him win over a measley 37% of the vote. Poor Bushy. Plus you have to remember Bush 41 was the VP at the time so it was more of a coalition b/w Reagan and Bush. Reagan just started it.
everything that was supposed to be up was down and everything that was supposed to be down was up and Clinton/Gore went in winning in a landslide and flipped everything right side up again.
Okay, first off Clinton did not inherit a good economy it was an economy where thanks to Bush 41 by 1992 : Unemployment around the country had gone up, the number of jobs had gone down, the trade deficit had gone up, personal income had gone down, the budget deficit had gone up, consumer confidence had gone down, poverty had gone up, the number of jobs had gone down, bankruptcys had gone up, jobs were down, fear was up...
hughster41: best by what measure? we're one of the worst in the (modern) world at education, healthcare, labor rights, legal system/prison system, and we have horrible poverty, repressive religious control, obesity, crime, foreign policy and culture. we rank only average in freedoms of press, speech, democracy and corruption. there's really no meaningful category that the US actually ranks #1 in or even close to that.
Yes and Bushy had Bin Laden cornered in the mountains according to more intelligence and instead of sending in the 10th Mountain Division, Bush "outscourced" the hunt for bin Laden to a ragtag group of local mercenaries instead of taking up his knife and fork and cutting bin Laden on that silver platter.This was in Dec. 2001, in Tora Bora, Afghanistan. Bin Laden was cornered and Bush did nothing twice in less than six months.
And for the record, no unfortunately the GOP will not go away forever. That was just humor....to me. They don't make since if gas prices have $3 almost since the clintons, if we've lost hundreds of thousands of jobs, if we've lost 4000+ lives...again I could go on. But the point is, when we were running the shots, everyone was doing a lot better. Now that you guys run the shots (pres&sen)and everything is falling to shit,it's time for you failures to step aside and let us show you how it's done.
Bush could have decided not to brush thise aside and actually read the memo while on vacation. And then warned the public and airlines to top up security. President Clinton in 1998 according to the Wash. Post, authorized the CIA to use covert means to disrupt and preempt terrorist operations by Saudi extremeist Osama Bin Laden. Clinton at least tried. Bush sat by for weeks doing nothing about him. He was warned and did nothing about it. It is Bush's fault for doing nothing.
Okay I hope that you mispoke there but History is in the past, we are not going into history, it should be the end of time. But: Tom Kean, the Republican former Gov. of NJ apptd. by Bush to be on the 9/11 Commission said that the attacks could have been prevented. He was also briefed by our CIA that a threat on America was immenent them seeing increased "chatter" or interceptions. Clinton-Gore administration arressted Ramzi Yousef an al Queda terrorist who threatened to hijack planes as well....
Okay lets look at the not so distant history: Bush 43 ignored the terror threat the CIA gave him in Aug 2001 (Sept. 11th unfortunately happened and 3000 innocent people died), went into Iraq with no plan and there were no WMDs. The economy was not much worse: no $10 Trillion debt, Carter inherited an unemployment rate of 7% and brought it down to 6.5%ish, i could go on about the inherited Economic state from Nixon/Ford. In many cases Buchanan and Pierece are considered 2 of the worst ever.
No we were built on a Constitution which Republicans like Bushy and his cronies have failed to read, adhere to and other wise subject their mindless, mediocre politics to for screening. Clearly as wee have lost millions of jobs, a $10 trillion debt, failed war in Iraq, $4.00 a gallon gas and foreclosures out the wazoo maybe a few taxes on the wealthy and less spending sounds good.
More like 30 times worse. Hence why he lost to Clinton in 1992. Clearly your judgement misguided as it is, is too rammed up Bushies politics and I'm sorry but he lost you lost and the conservatives, who are in the lobbyists pockets, will eventually bite their own asses and the GOP will go away forever.
Bushy 41 along with Bushy 43 are the two worst presidents in the past half century. Hmm let's see communism fell? Hmm. Have you heard of a country called China, or how about North Korea. Currently there are 5 countries the two listed above as well as Cuba, Laos and Vietnam that are still communist. Communism did not fall on Bush 41s watch, most of communism fell during Reagan's watch. That being said Clinton was a great president, with a booming economy on his watch. Bush 41 and 43 are failures.
Hughster, you shameful uneducated turd. In my village in vietnam we normally disembowel idiots like you and sell their offal at the wet market.
Speaking of Vietnam, McCain is a communist.
During his leisurely stay at the Hanoi Hilton, he was brainwashed by the Vietnamese into embracing communism. You Americans dont know this, but we Viets are taught it in history class.
If elected, McCommunist will usher in a new era of Communism to build upon the foundations set by Bush.
Good strategy. Highlight American security in the election and who offers the best leadership. That is an honest debate and is the most important job of any President....to protect the American people. McCain equals George Bush on that count would speak well of McCain to the majority of the country that voted for Bush twice. You assume everyone hates Bush which may be true in your circle, but may not be so true elsewhere. The next election will tell.
i'm 100% certain you are full of shit. what makes you think every other white american is a closet racist like yourself, whose true bigoted ideals will only emerge in the voting booths? he did win the democratic nomination, which involved WHITE americans entering voting booths and picking his name. fuck, people are stupid.
Just saw a map of the projected red & blue states for the upcoming election.
Also looked at a map showing those states where folks have the highest educational level (college degrees) & those with the lowest educational levels.
Most of the red states have low educational levels (the lowest being W.V, Ark., Miss, & Kty. - all firmly in the McCain camp) & the highest being - Colo, Mass, Conn, & Maryland - all firmly in the Barack camp.)
YOU ARE SO RIGHT CENK!!! Not only that, Obama needs to slam McCain for not running 'an honorable campaign". He also needs to slam him for getting so many facts wrong. He needs to question how he's going to keep us in Iraq till 2013, cut taxes, and somehow balance the budget.
I think Obama should continue to talk about issues and let McCain shoot himself in the foot with these crazy ads. He can address them when he smokes McCain in the debates.
obama is my candidate but i am an independent but he seems like he is making the same mistake john kerry made,letting things slide,he should go on attack attack attack as saying john mccain favoured the war and we lost 4000 souls,but he is not doing it,do not know why but thats what i will do and thats why hillary clinton was better a bit,hilary will attack and attack,obama has to do the same or else.,he will lose and it will be his fault.
I am with you though, I do want to see him be more aggressive. He is either pacing himself and collecting all Mccain's gaffes together so he can push them out when the general election officially starts.
Or he is playing it safe and making sure he doesn't make any mistakes by going too negative and messing with the change image
Either way all he has to do is win the election.
His supporters and surrogates should do the dirty work anyways.
Wow, the recent McCain anti-obama ads were ridiculous.
So much for running an honorable campaign, McInane, now he has revealed his true colours. Hes just a grouchy old geezer who would sling as much mud as he can to win and would sell himself and everything he stood for just to run a 3rd term of Bush/Cheney.
I cant wait for the debates where McBrainless will try to use his 'warhero' credentials and get his balls ripped off forcefully by an eloquent Barack Obama.
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Well, 135 etc. Interesting claims.
Listen to the tape of 'uh...um...er...duh' from his speech in Europe. It's on Rush Limbaugh's site. Eight minutes of forty are stuttering, bumbling, stagnate babbling. Your eloquent fool will have his teleprompter at the debates, so he might slide by.
But here's the real issue: elect this pretender in November. By the time he gets through ruining everything, and people see him for what he really is, there will NEVER be a black president.
Oh, so you're going to pull the typical lib crap, farce. Every time anyone criticizes Obama, it's 'racist'. Too bad you don't pay attention to what people say.
Obama is about to bring disgrace to every decent black American. He is shamefully ignorant; arrogant; has delusions of deity; and totally foolish concerning economics and foreign affairs. He is inexperienced to the point that, along with our liberal congress and senate, he will disgrace and ruin not just blacks, but ALL of America.
Come on, 135. You can criticize Rush as much as you like, but he is hated by liberals because he EXPOSES them. They can't control all of the press, which is why they're whining and crying for the 'Fairness Doctrine' which is not fair at all. It is a socialist propaganda machine similar to what the Nazis used, only theirs was a little more extreme. However, this is a major step in that direction.
So unless you can come up with something besides filthy talk, YOU and farce are irrelevant.
2. Rush Limburger is a fraud, a farce, and a mere extension of American Con-man-servative propaganda.
3. Rush Limping exposes nothing but his own delusional state of mind.
4. McCorn is a poor candidate, Retardicans like you and Rush are not man enough to face the facts and instead rely on sleezy attacks against Barack Obama's character. Please grow a sack and share it with Limbowe.
5. If you want to bring up Nazism, start with Fox News.
I agree, it's time to attack. Is not the democratic style, we don't like it, we prefer a clean win but, WE CAN NOT LOSE THIS TIME. If we lose.... then we will piss, but it will be too late, let's do a little clinton stuff. WE GOT TO WIN THIS TIME. enought with moral victories, we need something real, not perfect but real. we got to win.
George W McCain -- a war hero??? Isn't this the guy that crashed five different planes and never had a single successful combat mission? Is that the record of a war hero?
Um, just because he's visiting Bernanke doesn't mean he's going to undo 100 years of bad policy that has got the US into this mess it's in.
No, what has been done cannot be undone. If Obama becomes president, he will have to sit there and bite the big one, because no amount of 'change' chanting is going to change reality that the US, is for all intents and purposes, going into receivership. China the banker is knocking on Uncle Sam's door, and he isn't amused.
Cenk, I partly agree: I think it'd be good for surrogates to bash away at that idea, but I think Obama should remain above the fray & not turn so negative like McC. McC is already looking increasingly slimy and desperate bc. of his attacks.
Also, maybe it wouldn't matter to you, but perhaps Obama wants to win the presidency on his own terms. Maybe he doesn't want to win just because the rest of the country is tired of Bush, rather, he wants to create a shared vision for the future of America.
Dude that is not going to work because McCain already has a credibility problem with conservatives so Obama connecting the two together will only strengthen his base.
"I Voted With The President Over 90% Of The TIme, Higher then A lot of My Republican Colleagues"
-John McCain
granpuba 3 years ago
And if I hear Palin state this quote again, "as a mayor, as a governor, and as a vice president if I am privelidged!" I am gonna scream. How many times must you remind us that you were a mayor and are a governor? Biden doesn't tell us he is the Senate every time he speaks, he talks about the facts, with a story here and there that can be boring but he at least talks about the facts. Palin, I am not sure what she talks about, and I know I am very smart woman.
TiffW1979 3 years ago
@TiffW1979 HEY! HEY! Nice rant 2 years ago , too bad almost no one read it
XboxSongProductions 11 months ago
Obama and Biden on the other hand haven't realy played any dirty games like McCain and Palin have, asking questions about their plans isn't playing dirty, but McCain and Palin twisting the facts is like in their ads and o the Vice President debate. Biden brought up concerns in McCain's plan and asked questions, while Palin attacked Biden like Biden was at fault. It is clear that Obama and Biden are better suited then McCain and Palin to run this country.
TiffW1979 3 years ago
McCain thinks he is too good to keep his promises (Letterman show, lets lie and not show up) showing me I can't believe what he says because he will do what he wants to do for his cause. He thought CNN would promote his campaign better then Letterman so he ditched Letterman at the last second. Palin, I am still waiting for something intelligent to come out of her mouth. She sits there and says she is telling ME what Americans want to hear, I am an American and I want her to answer a question!
TiffW1979 3 years ago
Stop looking at it democrats vs republicans. This is why I am independent because I refuse to feel forced to support someone based on their party, which is what a lot of people seem to do on both sides. I had the same issues with McCain and Palin before listening to this guy, he is being bluntly honest that these 2 are not fit to run a country. I can't say Obama is better or not, but he hasn't given me a reason to like McCain or Palin to not vote for him yet.
TiffW1979 3 years ago
Nice Video!
I did one too about this whole debacle. I will send it to you. Tell me what you think.
-TonyaTko
TonyaTko 3 years ago
i think everyone has to just step back and look at the big picture here. The bush administration are criminals and should all be in jail and mcain has the same views they do. are you guys asking for another dumbass for president!! listen to his arguments for crying out loud HE MAKES NO SENSE!
prolificrm85 3 years ago
hugster your view of socialist states is a complete strawman. Sweden has an employment rate of 97%. Welfare abuse rarely exists and is strictly used as aid for those who are injured on the job, out of a job or pregnant. Scandinavian welfare states make the US look like a third world country in a lot of aspects, yet in your view welfare creates a state where half work and half sit around and collect money. The nordic welfare states are living proof this is not what happens. Take a trip there.
stuffums 3 years ago
Plus I think they receive free university education. Which is like, you know ... awesome lol
ArtemisMS 3 years ago
So basically you own your own business, or co-own. Now you say that you will bring in over 1 million. What is the standard of living there, average income, groceries house payment etc?
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Maybe tell your republican friends to stop giving so much money to lobbyists and lobbyist causes. The republican party has always and will always be the part of the special interest groups and their lobbyists for the oil companies and drug companies.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Now what would have happened if we didn't have SSI? Not everyones SSI goes to drugs smart one. Just the druggies. Most people use it for groceries etc. Like I said people make bad choices and its hard to get back on their feet. But we are all Human, we all make mistakes. I'm sorry about your father, honestly, and yeah it is sink or swim, but what about the elderly, the disabled, the sick with cancer who can barely afford high insurance premiums. There's more than just druggies out there.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
They aren't taxing the hell out of you. My parents make around the same as you do and they are not complaining about their taxes, they only complain when they have to do the tax return paperwork. Okay exactly how did they make their own work. Not everyone can help it if they are laid off because their company is outscourcing. Would you work if you didn't have to? Um no. Path of least resistance. Whoa whoa whoa, I never have and never will ask for a hand out, I don't need any...
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Not everyone is doing drugs. Many people are just trying to get by. And if you were'nt making $115,000 a year, then you would certainly have a different outlook on politics.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
I respect your service as a police officer but otherwise, you're just a typical republican who is not open to new ideas and I'm sorry but as God said, "And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more". God wanted to help those less fortunate, not leave them out on their own in a Hitler-esque type social darwinism system. They did away with that in the 1600s. Your style is outdated, it's time for some change.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Nobody in any country outside North Korea does this, that's a strawman. In more socialist countries the government simply subsidies smart growth. People living in suburbs who now suffer with increasing gas prices and a housing crisis and the government should not bail out their stupidity, but should offer assistance and better public housing so they can afford apartments and houses closer to work and light rail. Nobody is ever forced to live in condos and apartments, it's just idiotic not to
stuffums 3 years ago
That was 20 years ago. Employers such as agribusinesses now rely on migrant labor for field work and there literally is nothing that anybody can do about this aside from tackling the employers and forcing them to allow unions and minimum wage. New Zealand, an island nation, tried to deport and detain illegal immigrants in a massive operation through the 1970's, and within a decade the illegal immigrant population was the same. And they're "defended" by an ocean. We would fail even worse.
stuffums 3 years ago
most americans are in debt, only a minority of americans still have disposable income on parity with europeans (who are still also in debt but not as bad as the US). we buy houses out of our league, multiple cars and have to pay for college and (the most expensive and only mediocre quality) healthcare. we have a horrible "war on drugs" which brings nothing but debt, racism and illogical suppression and we are still drugged up. Income inequality is responsible for this high rate.
stuffums 3 years ago
By global standards the new deal was a very minor socialist plan. I agree with you about housing because home-ownership is rightfully in decline due to suburban reliance on automobiles and the awareness of the environmental damage suburbs do. The US should phase to smart growth and apartment/condo development rather than suburban sprawl and the fact that many mcmansions are now vacant is just a symbol of our failure to properly plan our civic areas.
stuffums 3 years ago
Illegal immigrants tend to take jobs for sub-minimum wage work such as agricultural work and landscaping that have no demand from americans. We now rely on illegal immigrants to fill these bottom-level jobs that no Americans are willing to do.
stuffums 3 years ago
America has higher numbers of hard drug users and soft drug users than socialist nations. Our education system is bad enough that we have such a shortfall in education
stuffums 3 years ago
they perform perfectly, they have upper-middle to middle class living standards for everyone, rather than one part of the country living in third-world squalor and the owning more wealth than they can deal with. The economy's best measurable quality is how it helps people. If you want to live in a society where a minority (often a racial group) has all the wealth and privileged, you should consider moving to Brazil. Modern nations are mixed market semi-socialist ones. Nobody envies us anymore.
stuffums 3 years ago
You don't by chance play golf at the local country club do you?
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Yes, and what do you do for a living? As I have said I am a student and have asked my parents, neighbors (republican neighbors at that) and all of them have said they had more money in their pockets 10 years ago than now. People don't always make the right decisions we are all human and make those bad decisions. Some people are just not able to learn, aren't cut out for college and aren't intelligent enough to re-learn all of these skills.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
OKay, you pay for exporting all the illegals, it will come out of your taxes. The next day they will be right back in no problems because the incompetent republican fools in washington can't protect our borders. All the illegals are working construction etc. a 45 year old male heart attack prone is not able to just go out and work construction or landscaping with the heat waves we have.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
You pay your house payment. Now what would happen if you lost your job because your company was outsourcing, and you werent able to get anyone to hire you? Then what? Yes I think that Democrats in Congress are better at spending my money. Not everyone is smart with their money, they would spend it on drugs, beer and cigarettes or waste it. That is why we have SS. Because people are not wise with their money.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
...Were it not for WWII and the New Deal (social programs) the great depression would have lasted much longer. Government spending and a slight raise in taxes on non-necessities in times of WAR and economic recession is the best way to combat poverty, the falling education system and economic recession. Mathematically, how much since does it make to take in less money (Bush Tax Cuts) and spend more than you ever have before (3.1 Trillion 2009 Budget)??? Pretty stupid if you ask sensible people.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
The job of the government according to the constitution is to provide for the common defense, promote the GENERAL WELFARE!!!! and supply the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. The government's job is to help it's people out of hard times and keep us out of harms way. In the 20s-30s Hoover decided to do as Republicans do and let the economy take care of itself. Volunteer crap, private help. Guess what, that didn't work....
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Okay, if we have to pay higher taxes then where are the "Bush tax cuts" that your party so gravely wants. The middle class is paying higher taxes than the super rich. They do want off the floor its just that in an economy that makes elephant shit smell good they aren't able to find a job. Ever been to a job fair? People are turned away because of a surplus of elidgeable workers and a deficit in jobs. People are standing on their feet they just get knocked down by these ridiculus fiscal policies.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
welfare states such as scandinavia and western europe are the best economies, living standards, education and worker productivity in the world. A social welfare net is necessary if we want to compete on a global scale and "welfare queens" are a myth. The real unemployment rate in the welfare state of Sweden is 2.4.
You cant argue that welfare is a failed system when all the welfare states are more successful than you. Yikes.
stuffums 3 years ago
actually hughster, rural and suburban whites also dont meet educational standards either, and they're not systematically disadvantaged like blacks and hispanics. The solution to education problems is to look at what countries far better than us are doing and work from there. Those nations I mentioned do have inner-city minorities btw in increasing amounts, and even they perform better than privileged American whites.
stuffums 3 years ago
Did I also mention that they are sanctimonious, a pack of crooks, they suck up to power and that they've put our economic future in the hands of China and the Middle East?
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Then why is that we the democrats are the only ones who seem to be able to create jobs, get people out of poverty, and increase social programs that help get people back up off the floor and work hard for a living. The republicans are elitist hags who enjoy Golfing in scotland and $250,000 rennovations to their homes without paying a cent for them. Sounds like a bunch of crooks and liars to me. They're so incompetent they couldn't pour pee out of a boot if you wrote the instructions on the heel.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
In the most technical language I can give you, your ancestors voted to create a government, a republic that has the Constitutional right to collect taxes, including an income tax according to the 16th amendment. In turn, you no longer are giving her or any other person a cent. It is the federal governments money to spend it on as they see fitting, and frankly I would rather them spend it wisely at home than unwisely elsewhere and on ridiculus policies.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
I figured you would say that. Eminent domain under the 5th amendment to the constitution the public could take his private land, with just compensation of course. The ANWR is not public property it is Federally Protected Land beginning in 1960 under Eisenhower.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Not really, it's acutally quite amusing.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
No, I am way beyond elitist I am a student in college whose parents are middle class and got a very good education at a public school. And if college education were less expensive then more people would get a better education instead of working three jobs to keep up. Others on the other hand are not able to learn as fast and are not suited to just get "some kind of skills or education". If the government sucks under the current administration you can't help it.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
you typo a lot apparently because it's acres not akers. So why aren't we drilling on George Bush's 1583 ACRE ranch in texas instead. I mean might as well since it's about the same size. Probably 1 million barrels a day out of there too. Why not dig under your feet? How would you like that?
We need to turn to alternative fuels go hybrid and then turn toward solar, hydrogen fuel cell, air pressure (yes I said air pressure-recent technology in Europe) and other means & take our hands out of oil.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
What about the single mothers who are working 3 jobs whose Husband left them. What about them? Or the other single mothers whose husbands who've died? Etc. Etc. Look who's being elitist now. Republicans in Washington don't care about the working class poor, they never have and never will. They care about their wealthy friends, the oil industry, and their country club comrades.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Well maybe if Bushy wasn't sending so much money over seas cleaning up baghdad and spent that same amount of money over here in OUR inner cities cleaning them up and fighting poverty, fighting corruption and fighting off the special interest lobbyists then we might not have people on the streets or poverty stricken families trying to survive on $7.25 an hour.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
wrong on many instances or at least countered you. Please come up with something substantial and quit standing up for someone who has a 28% approval rating versus Clintons 72% during impeachment proceedings. Face it 220 million people loved Clinton and 220 million now hate Bush. Clearly I have the majority of all Americans behind me.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Okay if they are only drilling in 200 acres then it won't give us enough oil for it to be worth it anyway, so no thanks. Have you ever seen 200 acres? Okay as for the lies, there is plenty of ways to prove that Bush lied, he lied about the "trifecta", look it up, he lied about him seeing the plane hitting the Towers etc. He lied about Iraq,he lied about WMD he lied to the american people far more that the Clintons did. You have not proven me wrong on anyting I've said and I have proven you on..
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Are you even in fucking school? I just graduated and yes the schools do need more funding especially if Bush is going to impose more No Child Left Behind legislation that requires more and takes away from those that dont meet the standards. Parents do have a choice it's called private schools and other open enrollment schools.Okay this first began when one of you guys said that Bush41 was 30x better than Clinton so both Bushs are fair game.Teachers need more money so they can be better educated.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
The education system is not necessarily gone to shit, sure it sucks but thats because the GOP in the Senate is too busy giving away billions to the oil industry why Bushy is cutting the education budget every chance he gets. I already mentioned that Bush let bin Laden go in Tora Bora in Afghanistan!! Please don't repeat claims that have been debunked!!!
scottwell12345 3 years ago
I haven't deflected any blame I just gave u facts that support my claim that he did what he could have done Bushy on the other hand has done nothing since 2002 to kill/get bin Laden instead he has focused us on Iraq. Uh, my excuse for Anwar, hmm the fact that it is protected under the same conservation attempts that Teddy Roosevelt started makes up a good portion of why he didn't allow the ANWAR drilling. Plus it's just plain retarded to do so.All people lie!!! Including your friend "Ol' W".
scottwell12345 3 years ago
the greatest education systems in the world are sweden, denmark, finland, iceland and norway. they have even larger teachers unions and are the most liberal nations on earth. 100% literacy, near 100% graduation rate, #1 rankings in international testing, and plenty of "liberal doctrine"
stuffums 3 years ago
In many respects Communism is socialism however, socialism is not necessarily communism. So I was still kind of right. Anymore comments about the clintons that I can easily de-bunk? Because so far it's looking like you've lost on each issue.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
hughster, only 3 of the 14 problems i listed are opinions (culture, democracy, foreign policy), the rest are facts pulled from independant rankings and analysis. an example: our education system ranks 20th-24th in the world in testing (reading and science), with a full 1/5th of the population not being able to identify the USA on a map
stuffums 3 years ago
Yes as a matter of fact most of it fell before Bushy even had a chance to get settled in the White House. By 1991 USSR fell and a year later, poor HW performed so poorly with the nation that he just vanished off the face of the earth in a crumbling election that saw him win over a measley 37% of the vote. Poor Bushy. Plus you have to remember Bush 41 was the VP at the time so it was more of a coalition b/w Reagan and Bush. Reagan just started it.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Acutally there are not a lot there are only 5 left, like i said earlier.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
everything that was supposed to be up was down and everything that was supposed to be down was up and Clinton/Gore went in winning in a landslide and flipped everything right side up again.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Okay, first off Clinton did not inherit a good economy it was an economy where thanks to Bush 41 by 1992 : Unemployment around the country had gone up, the number of jobs had gone down, the trade deficit had gone up, personal income had gone down, the budget deficit had gone up, consumer confidence had gone down, poverty had gone up, the number of jobs had gone down, bankruptcys had gone up, jobs were down, fear was up...
scottwell12345 3 years ago
the kosovo operation was very controversial by consensus but nowhere near the scale of atrocity as the conquest of iraq.
stuffums 3 years ago
hughster41: best by what measure? we're one of the worst in the (modern) world at education, healthcare, labor rights, legal system/prison system, and we have horrible poverty, repressive religious control, obesity, crime, foreign policy and culture. we rank only average in freedoms of press, speech, democracy and corruption. there's really no meaningful category that the US actually ranks #1 in or even close to that.
stuffums 3 years ago
Yes and Bushy had Bin Laden cornered in the mountains according to more intelligence and instead of sending in the 10th Mountain Division, Bush "outscourced" the hunt for bin Laden to a ragtag group of local mercenaries instead of taking up his knife and fork and cutting bin Laden on that silver platter.This was in Dec. 2001, in Tora Bora, Afghanistan. Bin Laden was cornered and Bush did nothing twice in less than six months.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
And for the record, no unfortunately the GOP will not go away forever. That was just humor....to me. They don't make since if gas prices have $3 almost since the clintons, if we've lost hundreds of thousands of jobs, if we've lost 4000+ lives...again I could go on. But the point is, when we were running the shots, everyone was doing a lot better. Now that you guys run the shots (pres&sen)and everything is falling to shit,it's time for you failures to step aside and let us show you how it's done.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Bush could have decided not to brush thise aside and actually read the memo while on vacation. And then warned the public and airlines to top up security. President Clinton in 1998 according to the Wash. Post, authorized the CIA to use covert means to disrupt and preempt terrorist operations by Saudi extremeist Osama Bin Laden. Clinton at least tried. Bush sat by for weeks doing nothing about him. He was warned and did nothing about it. It is Bush's fault for doing nothing.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Okay I hope that you mispoke there but History is in the past, we are not going into history, it should be the end of time. But: Tom Kean, the Republican former Gov. of NJ apptd. by Bush to be on the 9/11 Commission said that the attacks could have been prevented. He was also briefed by our CIA that a threat on America was immenent them seeing increased "chatter" or interceptions. Clinton-Gore administration arressted Ramzi Yousef an al Queda terrorist who threatened to hijack planes as well....
scottwell12345 3 years ago
Okay lets look at the not so distant history: Bush 43 ignored the terror threat the CIA gave him in Aug 2001 (Sept. 11th unfortunately happened and 3000 innocent people died), went into Iraq with no plan and there were no WMDs. The economy was not much worse: no $10 Trillion debt, Carter inherited an unemployment rate of 7% and brought it down to 6.5%ish, i could go on about the inherited Economic state from Nixon/Ford. In many cases Buchanan and Pierece are considered 2 of the worst ever.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
No we were built on a Constitution which Republicans like Bushy and his cronies have failed to read, adhere to and other wise subject their mindless, mediocre politics to for screening. Clearly as wee have lost millions of jobs, a $10 trillion debt, failed war in Iraq, $4.00 a gallon gas and foreclosures out the wazoo maybe a few taxes on the wealthy and less spending sounds good.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
61% of historians rated him the worst.
those are ppl with more knowledge than u and i combined.
btw- im not sure if i give out a liberal stink. but im veeeeery conservative.
i just know how to put things in perspective.
george h w bush is 30 times better than bill clinton was.
just thought i'd give my point of view.
joebholla 3 years ago
More like 30 times worse. Hence why he lost to Clinton in 1992. Clearly your judgement misguided as it is, is too rammed up Bushies politics and I'm sorry but he lost you lost and the conservatives, who are in the lobbyists pockets, will eventually bite their own asses and the GOP will go away forever.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
do me a favor, please rephrase your comment, so that a normal human being can understand it.
george h w bush was better than clinton, remember that communism fell on his watch.
that being said clinton wasnt a bad president, he was just too laid back.
joebholla 3 years ago
Bushy 41 along with Bushy 43 are the two worst presidents in the past half century. Hmm let's see communism fell? Hmm. Have you heard of a country called China, or how about North Korea. Currently there are 5 countries the two listed above as well as Cuba, Laos and Vietnam that are still communist. Communism did not fall on Bush 41s watch, most of communism fell during Reagan's watch. That being said Clinton was a great president, with a booming economy on his watch. Bush 41 and 43 are failures.
scottwell12345 3 years ago
2nd worst.
remember bushie?
btw he's still running us to ground, so read a book or something.
joebholla 3 years ago
the best countries in the world are socialist. dont pop a vein.
stuffums 3 years ago
Hughster, you shameful uneducated turd. In my village in vietnam we normally disembowel idiots like you and sell their offal at the wet market.
Speaking of Vietnam, McCain is a communist.
During his leisurely stay at the Hanoi Hilton, he was brainwashed by the Vietnamese into embracing communism. You Americans dont know this, but we Viets are taught it in history class.
If elected, McCommunist will usher in a new era of Communism to build upon the foundations set by Bush.
135135135135135 3 years ago
Good strategy. Highlight American security in the election and who offers the best leadership. That is an honest debate and is the most important job of any President....to protect the American people. McCain equals George Bush on that count would speak well of McCain to the majority of the country that voted for Bush twice. You assume everyone hates Bush which may be true in your circle, but may not be so true elsewhere. The next election will tell.
rh152 3 years ago
i'm 100% certain you are full of shit. what makes you think every other white american is a closet racist like yourself, whose true bigoted ideals will only emerge in the voting booths? he did win the democratic nomination, which involved WHITE americans entering voting booths and picking his name. fuck, people are stupid.
JBoudreau99 3 years ago
I agree.
Well not everybody hates George W. Bush so for those folks John McCain doesn't look too bad.
Obama has no experience fighting a war so why is it that people think he would be better than Bush or McCain.
peanutplays 3 years ago
Just saw a map of the projected red & blue states for the upcoming election.
Also looked at a map showing those states where folks have the highest educational level (college degrees) & those with the lowest educational levels.
Most of the red states have low educational levels (the lowest being W.V, Ark., Miss, & Kty. - all firmly in the McCain camp) & the highest being - Colo, Mass, Conn, & Maryland - all firmly in the Barack camp.)
Coincidence? -- not so much!
DillonX 3 years ago
I agree.
fumala420 3 years ago 2
I agree with you. True conservatives support Bob Barr, the only one who will truy cut spending and taxes, and will reinstate our freedoms.
politicalfarce 3 years ago
My question is, where is Hillary Clinton in all of this? Wasn't she supposed to campaign for Obama after he won the primaries?
Kajo75 3 years ago 3
Raising taxes on those who make $220,000/year.
EntropyGuardian 3 years ago
YOU ARE SO RIGHT CENK!!! Not only that, Obama needs to slam McCain for not running 'an honorable campaign". He also needs to slam him for getting so many facts wrong. He needs to question how he's going to keep us in Iraq till 2013, cut taxes, and somehow balance the budget.
beretboy22 3 years ago 3
I think Obama should continue to talk about issues and let McCain shoot himself in the foot with these crazy ads. He can address them when he smokes McCain in the debates.
ITSBRYINDY 3 years ago
obama is my candidate but i am an independent but he seems like he is making the same mistake john kerry made,letting things slide,he should go on attack attack attack as saying john mccain favoured the war and we lost 4000 souls,but he is not doing it,do not know why but thats what i will do and thats why hillary clinton was better a bit,hilary will attack and attack,obama has to do the same or else.,he will lose and it will be his fault.
cainebruce123 3 years ago
The problem with that thinking is Hillary lost.
I am with you though, I do want to see him be more aggressive. He is either pacing himself and collecting all Mccain's gaffes together so he can push them out when the general election officially starts.
Or he is playing it safe and making sure he doesn't make any mistakes by going too negative and messing with the change image
Either way all he has to do is win the election.
His supporters and surrogates should do the dirty work anyways.
youngflymista 3 years ago
Wow, the recent McCain anti-obama ads were ridiculous.
So much for running an honorable campaign, McInane, now he has revealed his true colours. Hes just a grouchy old geezer who would sling as much mud as he can to win and would sell himself and everything he stood for just to run a 3rd term of Bush/Cheney.
I cant wait for the debates where McBrainless will try to use his 'warhero' credentials and get his balls ripped off forcefully by an eloquent Barack Obama.
135135135135135 3 years ago 3
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Well, 135 etc. Interesting claims.
Listen to the tape of 'uh...um...er...duh' from his speech in Europe. It's on Rush Limbaugh's site. Eight minutes of forty are stuttering, bumbling, stagnate babbling. Your eloquent fool will have his teleprompter at the debates, so he might slide by.
But here's the real issue: elect this pretender in November. By the time he gets through ruining everything, and people see him for what he really is, there will NEVER be a black president.
theRightizright 3 years ago
You gave yourself away when you said "it's on Rush Limbaugh's" site. You are a racist pig, you are no longer relevant.
politicalfarce 3 years ago
Oh, so you're going to pull the typical lib crap, farce. Every time anyone criticizes Obama, it's 'racist'. Too bad you don't pay attention to what people say.
Obama is about to bring disgrace to every decent black American. He is shamefully ignorant; arrogant; has delusions of deity; and totally foolish concerning economics and foreign affairs. He is inexperienced to the point that, along with our liberal congress and senate, he will disgrace and ruin not just blacks, but ALL of America.
theRightizright 3 years ago
I know what tapes you were talking about, those were actually doctered by Rush Limpdick.
McCain cant talk without a teleprompter, nor can he with one.
Can you say, 'Lexington project'?
Because McLame couldnt, even with a teleprompter.
135135135135135 3 years ago
Come on, 135. You can criticize Rush as much as you like, but he is hated by liberals because he EXPOSES them. They can't control all of the press, which is why they're whining and crying for the 'Fairness Doctrine' which is not fair at all. It is a socialist propaganda machine similar to what the Nazis used, only theirs was a little more extreme. However, this is a major step in that direction.
So unless you can come up with something besides filthy talk, YOU and farce are irrelevant.
theRightizright 3 years ago
1. Im not liberal, im not even American
2. Rush Limburger is a fraud, a farce, and a mere extension of American Con-man-servative propaganda.
3. Rush Limping exposes nothing but his own delusional state of mind.
4. McCorn is a poor candidate, Retardicans like you and Rush are not man enough to face the facts and instead rely on sleezy attacks against Barack Obama's character. Please grow a sack and share it with Limbowe.
5. If you want to bring up Nazism, start with Fox News.
135135135135135 3 years ago 3
McBush, McBush, McBush.
cosmlayla 3 years ago
I agree, it's time to attack. Is not the democratic style, we don't like it, we prefer a clean win but, WE CAN NOT LOSE THIS TIME. If we lose.... then we will piss, but it will be too late, let's do a little clinton stuff. WE GOT TO WIN THIS TIME. enought with moral victories, we need something real, not perfect but real. we got to win.
kemku 3 years ago
George W McCain -- a war hero??? Isn't this the guy that crashed five different planes and never had a single successful combat mission? Is that the record of a war hero?
Richardgwm 3 years ago
Um, just because he's visiting Bernanke doesn't mean he's going to undo 100 years of bad policy that has got the US into this mess it's in.
No, what has been done cannot be undone. If Obama becomes president, he will have to sit there and bite the big one, because no amount of 'change' chanting is going to change reality that the US, is for all intents and purposes, going into receivership. China the banker is knocking on Uncle Sam's door, and he isn't amused.
squarepusher2 3 years ago
McCain is just a puppet of the Republican party. They proved that when they basically said John McCain doesn't speak for the McCain campaign.
jtilak 3 years ago 2
Cenk, I partly agree: I think it'd be good for surrogates to bash away at that idea, but I think Obama should remain above the fray & not turn so negative like McC. McC is already looking increasingly slimy and desperate bc. of his attacks.
Also, maybe it wouldn't matter to you, but perhaps Obama wants to win the presidency on his own terms. Maybe he doesn't want to win just because the rest of the country is tired of Bush, rather, he wants to create a shared vision for the future of America.
MichaelMogg 3 years ago
Iimbosforporn must be a libertarian because GOP does not like Porn. It was a Texas legislator that wanted to take down nude art somewhere?
flrbase1 3 years ago
No need to attack McCain that way, it'll make Obama steep to a lower level of politics. Obama actually mentions Bush a lot already.
StopClimateCrisis 3 years ago 3
Dude that is not going to work because McCain already has a credibility problem with conservatives so Obama connecting the two together will only strengthen his base.
timbosforporn 3 years ago 3
But people who find him annoying are always going to vote for McCain right? It's the independents that have to realise the connection.
SpaceboyProductions 3 years ago