Re: Road Rage Driver Tries to Kill Cyclist on Hood of Car

[fjbutch]

Filmed with a potato again...

[lmlmlml]

Did you film with with your shoe?

[buttmanroad]

I can't see anything. What are those Pixels doing?

[policechaser]

Did you record this video with a "brick?"

:-)

[smythdav]

Ok as a cyclist I just assume anyone driving a car is a moron and would sooner run me over than looks at me so I stay away from cars and don't get into battles over my rights.

As a driver, I make this exact same assumption and act accordingly.

That said, corking an intersection is an incredibly selfish and rude act. Motor cycle gangs do this too.

Anybody who does this motor or pedal is wrong - you don't own the damn road you share it. Follow the rules.

[CaptainCocaine]

you need more pixels.

[TripleHomicide]

What the hell is this?!

[roubaix2100]

If I had a dollar for every pixel in this video, I would have 1 dollar.

[26692]

looks like Vancouver Canada but the video was filmed with a frying pan, so its hard to tell.

[egonfang]

critical mass can be annoying, But I'm not a whiny self absorbed person filled with hate for anything that might inconvience me in the slightest way. Cars run the road every minute of everyday except for the few hours a month Critical Mass happens. During these times deaths related to cars adds as does pollution. Even on days when cars are running the roads the people driving still manage to find plenty to get angry about. Other cars, delivery trucks, pedsitrians, road work, traffic. stop.

[Lav1lle]

Dude ! How can you upload such kak quality ???? Fucks the matter with you ???

[Bijomaru1joker]

@Lav1lle LOL, He cant afford a car and petrol, so he cant afford a good quality camera.

[mrchakabot]

I fucking hate these idiots! wish I could just frogger their asses right out the road!!!

[JaleelJohanson62]

Oh please. Fucking car drivers are wrapped in a little metal box fueled by all the dollars leaving our country and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them because they're being held up? What about all the asthma cases from their exhaust? These sufferers are held up EVERY day by the fucking cars.. Death to cars!!!

[MrSinister99]

@JaleelJohanson62 Are you a complete fucking tool? Oh,wait, you're a LIBTARD of course you're a retard! No cars? no gas? no oil? I guess you have a romantic view of living in the dark ages, huh? The INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION created Western CIVILIZATION, you fart! ALL of our technical progress has been achieved via this route. Yet, fuck tards like you and your ilk want to eliminate oil? LOL...not on my watch boy. Bike riders only piss more, and more, 'citizens' off every single day. Not good folks!

[JaleelJohanson62]

@MrSinister99 Who says I'm against cars and progress? I own several and drive everyday. I just hate it that they let idiots who use their vehicle as a half-assed form of compenstaion drive.. Sounds like you doesn't it?.. LOL

[MrSinister99]

I'd like to shoot these fucking bikers with my 9, let alone run them over!

[JaleelJohanson62]

@MrSinister99 So you'd like to kill them twice? Fucking moron..

[MegaBoomcat]

Great..Finally Portland bikers..Get a fucking life and quit provoking motorist. Get back to me on this and explain why in the hell cyclist just provoke people, motorist and fellow bikers. It's just plain stupid and I'm afraid it's gonna get really fucking ugly

[mbleft]

You should be banned for posting such trash.

[EDDN20]

thats the worst quality video i have ever seen

[altractors]

indeed

[TheDemonStr]

@EDDN20

looks like failed painting xd

[donttrustany1]

8 seconds in and already this video is a farce. no where is the scene the same as in Portland(especially not Vancouver), just as the scene in say Tokyo is not the same as LA. Thanks for coming out fool. Since when is stopping trafic for a few minutes a huge crime all of a sudden?

[rsb97060]

That's the point - it is a crime, you moron. But since Portland is run by a bunch of pussies, you get away with this sort of crap.

[sethbergs]

looks like a bike festival

[PortlandsTransport]

They *INTENTIONALLY* block the traffic!

Since when is screwing with other people the right thing to do?

[darrenhuseyin]

So where's the driver trying to kill the cyclist on the hood of the car?

Stop giving clips titles that have nothing to do with them.

[thirteenfingers]

@PortlandsTransport Since noone has responded, allow me.

In the civil rights movement, one group of people being screwed by members of another group screwed back to make their message heard.

During the movement for the abolition fo slavery one group of people screwed with another group as part of their efforts.

Ditto women's suffrage and every other cause that's employed disruption, strikes, boycotts and other non-violent tactics. Why should cyclists' cause be any different?

[PortlandsTransport]

@thirteenfingers I would not call cyclists a discriminated group! Sorry, it don't wash!

[thirteenfingers]

No space for comprehensive illustration but:

Countess examples of motorists killing or injuring cyclists in circumstances beyond dispute and recieving no punishment at all.

Also: Cyclist kills pedestrian - 7 months in prison - appeal dismissed.

Driver kills cyclist in an equally inexcusable way - 4 months in prison - appeal upheld.

Name another group of road users routinely told to "get off the road", swerved at, spat at, hit with thrown trash and treated so differently by law enforcement.

[muddybanksangler]

@PortlandsTransport yeah we are, i have rode my bike to work and while obeying the laws and going the speed limit i am called every name in the book. If i do the same thing in a car, same speed, same person before, no one flips me off or calls me names that is discrimating.

[AntiFalconPunch]

@PortlandsTransport

Where there is prejudice there is discrimination. You yourself are discriminating against cyclists in your own posts. Does that not invalidate your own argument?

[mr420B]

@PortlandsTransport do people discriminate against them for their mode of transport- yes! do people regularly feel the need to intimidate them for no reason, even though cycling is better for helth, environment etc etc etc

[daregreatly]

@thirteenfingers you have obviously never been a cyclist

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers So your saying that your perceived plight of the cyclist is comparable to that of slaves and that of hundreds of years of inequality suffered by women ? There's nothing more sad than a rebel without a clue.

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub "Perceived"... nice weasel word. Intent to marginalise a real issue.

Comparable (not analogous) to slavery or historical inequality of women. I didn't draw parallels between them, I compared tactics employed to secure change.

It is an equality issue, though as this puts lives at risk where woman's inequality did not, it could be argued to be worse than that issue.

That's not my position though. I mentioned those issues to illustrate the reasoning behind "screwing with others".

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers If your going to be pedantic, weasels aren't noted for their vocabulary. You seem to have this notion of this great noble cause of the persecuted cyclist. I use my mtb, m/cycle & car in London & elsewhere regularly. I encounter idiots from all 3, but it has to be said that cyclists are the only group that have access to roads without training & it shows. It's common to see cyclists filtering dangerously (creeping up the sides of HGV's for example), running reds, not signalling,

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Cyclists AND horse riders have access to the roads without training, so not just cyclists. I've never hard anyone moaning about horse riders holding up traffic even though they are FAR worse than cyclists at that. Put someone on a horse going 7mph with a line of traffic behind them and nobody complains about waiting for them. Put them on a bike going 20mph and every bone head and his mum moans about being held up.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers because we all make the mistake of crediting the average cyclists with more road sense than a horse ! I admit you've got me there, that is rather silly !

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub You sound like training is the be-all. Never seen a licensed road user running reds, not signalling, undertaking and so on... every day? The difference being, cyclists only put themselves in danger like that, when people in/on motor vehicles do it they put everyone in danger.

Here's the reason cyclists and horse riders don't need licences when motorists do... motor vehicles pose a serious risk to others when used on the roads. Cycles and horses do not.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers Don't be so bloody stupid, of course they can cause accidents and if statistics are to be believed they are a great risk to themselves. If your going to argue that training doesn't reduce accidents, then your proving my point that you have no idea what your talking about. People with all vehicles will always make mistakes, which is why we need to learn to anticipate the actions of others. You are so "us versus them" that you cannot see sense. Your typical attitude is the problem

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Don't be so bloody obstinate. I didn't say they couldn't cause accidents. I said they pose no risk TO OTHERS. Some are a risk to themselves, but so what? MY point was that if lack of training is a problem it's a problem only to cyclists and that training doesn't stop massive numbers of bad drivers driving like idiots. It's not a matter of mistakes, but of training not being the be-all. You don't get to repeat my argument like it's contradicting me. It's not.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers So a cyclist couldn't cause someone to swerve and hit a pedestrian or another road user ? A cyclist couldn't hit someone crossing the road, a child for example ? Mate your clinging on for dear life to a hopeless argument/position that you wouldn't be in if you knew as much as you evidently think you do.

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub "Think of the children" - why does someone always have to bring "a child" into things like it makes their point more valid? It doesn't.

A cyclist COULD hit someone, and in any collisions, be it with a pedestrian, car, motorbike or other, the cyclist almost invariably comes off worse with the other being generally unharmed. Risk on bicycles is risk to self.

You say "cyclists are by far the worst" when it comes to roadcraft, I dispute that unless you have stats, ...contd...

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub ...contd...

but you again seem to have missed a key point. Poor roadcraft in car drivers puts everyone from pedestrians to cyclists to other car drivers in real danger of physical harm. Poor roadcraft in cyclists put the individual cyclist in increased danger of physical harm, though not as severe as people make out.

From my observations I'd say by far the most prevalent roadcraft error in cyclists is riding too close to the kerb, to parked cars and submitting to cars too much. cont

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub contd...

in riding in too submissive a manner they reduce their visibility to pedestrians and to car drivers and put themselves in greater danger than the cyclist who rides assertively, taking primary position where appropriate (and enduring the abuse and horn-blaring that often brings about).

The danger a cyclist running a red poses to others is so overblown I honestly think all cyclists should be permitted to treat reds as a flashing amber. I don't, but think it should be that way.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers SO TEACHING THEM TO RIDE WITH MORE AUTHORITY (as motorcyclists are) WOULD REDUCE ACCIDENTS THEN WOULDN'T IT !!! your contradicting yourself. Many cyclists do treat red as flashing amber anyway, which might explain some of those car collisions.

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Cyclists running reds is a non-issue. For a summary Google "Risky cycling rarely to blame for bike accidents" and read the Guardian article you find. It doesn't explain many collisions at all and isn't inherently dangerous.

Cyclists only NEED to ride assertively is because driving standards are so poor. Assertive rider training has been the goal of groups like CTC for years. It doesn't work!

Changing driver behaviour and segregated infrastructure are the ONLY effective solutions.

[thirteenfingers]

@thirteenfingers EDIT - make that "optional" segregated infrastructure. Compulsory segregation has negative effects which rule it out.

That would increase cyclist numbers (safety in numbers principle) save a fortune in healthcare costs (ref Danish study which found 1KR spent on cycle infrastructure saved 5KR in healthcare and so on) reduce congestion and pollution (latent demand for infrastructure exists).

Focusing on rider training and red lights is a distraction from the real issues.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers Mate, take some deep breaths and go get your medicine, is there a family member I can call for you ?

[thirteenfingers]

@thirteenfingers Oh and before the obvious newspaper tribalism crops up... I'm not a Guardian reader. All papers are worth more as chip wrappers than a worthwhile source of news... I posted that link merely as a decent article explaining the situation which couldn't be summarised easily in a comment box.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers You think that if you keep talking, by the law of averages, you'll make some sense eventually. You have contradicted me, then yourself, then used my arguments to back up yours. You then google for editorial opinion to loosely substantiate random nonsense that you have come out with. In isolation, your emotional lack of cogency & arrogance is laughable but your desperation to piece together and convince yourself that you are right is really unpleasant and even a bit disturbing.

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Now THAT is funny.

Most idiots on the net don't have that kind of creativity but you and your analysis of me are definite exceptions.

Hilarious.

All along I've sayd driver behaviour is the major danger to cyclists; that cyclists aren't treated with respect on the roads; that rules which apply to drivers needn't necessarily apply to cyclists (in response to the bonehead red light issue you raised).

The point of linking the article was for the study behind it, not the editorial.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers cont ....... poor positioning and observation, not to mention holding everyone up when they should be occupying secondary position. You have to take responsibility for your own safety, learn to scan for hazards, develop riding plans, signal and observe. Cyclists could themselves do a lot more to reduce the casualty statistics.

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Poor positioning means 1 of 2 things. Either they are in it because they are trying to stay away from cars out of fear, or they are in what you THINK is bad position because they are in primary and you have no clue about proper on-road cycling.

"Secondary position" is only proper when there's enough space to be overtaken safely (highway code section 163), otherwise the cyclist SHOULD take primary. Plans, observation, responsibility and hazards are WHY cyclists get into primary.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers I don't disagree with any of that. I did wonder why you took so long to reply, YOU BOUGHT A HIGHWAY CODE TO QUOTE FROM !! this is a special day. You will find the contents a revelation, on behalf of trained road users everywhere (car drivers, motorcyclists, about 1 in 20 cyclists etc), I would like to welcome you, the first step on your journey to road competence is admitting you have a problem !!!!!

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Bought a highway code? Don't be dense. The highway code is free online. It doesn't take a printed copy to look up a reference to condense a point so it'll fit in a YouTube comment box.

As for "trained road users" and "us and them"... congratulations on falling into the same low-IQ trap most like you fall into... that of thinking most cyclists aren't also drivers. Go to the bottom of the class. I ride, I drive, and in a rare own-trumpet-blowing moment... I'm bloody good at both.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers I too drive, cycle & ride a motorbike on the road. So I don't feel particularly protective about any group. All make mistakes and have an fair element of very poor road craft but cyclists are by far the worst. Unlike you, despite having 25 years experience with no accidents, I don't think of myself as "bloody good", it is a poor attitude to have and fits perfectly with your earlier comment - "so what" if cyclists are dying on the roads, if it's their own fault !

[thirteenfingers]

@robbieflub Congratulations on completely missing the point and context of my "so what". I was saying that in a discussion about cyclist training and its effect on others, cyclists posing a risk to themselves was irrelevant.

I also never said cyclists dying on the road was their own fault.

Generally cyclists die on the roads because of bad driving. The most common causes of death being the T-Bone and the left-hook. The vast majority are driver-at-fault collisions.

[thirteenfingers]

That being the case (and if you can't find the proof of that yourself I'll be more than happy to provide references to back it up) and it also being the case that the highest number of at-fault deaths on the roads involve cars (be they hitting cyclists, motorcyclists, other motor vehicles or even general street furniture and nature itself) putting the focus on cyclists as "the worst" seems somewhat inappropriate.

[robbieflub]

@thirteenfingers You should change your user name to @ThirteenBrainCells !!

[bidefordrfc]

@thirteenfingers

that is honestly the shittest argument for cyclists i have ever read!

[thirteenfingers]

@bidefordrfc Winger? I think you've taken a few too many tackles in the head. I'm not making arguments for cyclists and if you bothered to or capable of keep up with the conversation you'd know that.

Someone asked a question about justification for the actions of critical mass rides and I answered it. That's it.

That said, the fact you think cyclists need arguments making "for" them probably says a lot about your bias in this.

[bidefordrfc]

@thirteenfingers

I was referring to your comment which was effectively referring to cyclists as a discriminated group.

And no, don't be daft. I play back row generally with the odd spate in outside centre.

[thirteenfingers]

@bidefordrfc Oh hell, back row is even worse. (Guess where I played.)

Haha.

I didn't actually argue that cyclists were a discriminated group. I explained why screwing with people is a valid means of protest... it was some OTHER numpty who turned it into a discrimination issue.

I think they could be called one, as outlined above, but that's not my position. Rather I think a scary number of drivers are clueless about road use and drive a vehicle that makes their selfish stupidity dangerous.

[bidefordrfc]

@thirteenfingers

Oh fair enough, teach me to jump in...

Back row is not worse... tbh im pretty versatile, being well over 6ft i've had stints in second row, back row, and being reasonably quick and agile on my feet ive been stuck into the centres... which is ok, my fitness needs a little extra work if im to live out there...

[MegaDyneSystemsExe]

@thirteenfingers I'm a cyclist myself and I never imagined comparing myself and other cyclists as a group with the ones you mentioned... seriously. Are you serious? lol

[thirteenfingers]

@MegaDyneSystemsExe I've already answered this, but in summary, yes and no.

No - inequality of cyclists isn't directly equivalent to slavery, discrimination or denied suffrage...

But because cyclists ARE a discriminated group and because (this is the point everyone objecting to my comments seem to run a marathon to ignore) the original question was why it's ok to screw with others. I gave examples of how "screwing with others" is a legitimate and effective means to bring about needed change.

[geonerd]

@thirteenfingers How fucking dare you compare yourself to slaves!

Tell me, you poor oppressed creature, just what 'rights' are those horrible, EVIL cars infringing upon?

On top of that, the CM 'movement' is too cowardly to even maintain a formal leadership. There is no stated agenda, no unifying goal - just chaos; yet you now claim to speak for all the Massholes? Got Ego, dude?

You losers have no 'noble cause;' you're just a mob that gets off on fucking over other people. Nothing more.

[thirteenfingers]

@geonerd Ok... I've been really civil with other posters but you've been far too much of a cock for me to bother.

1. Cars are not horrible or evil. Low IQ morons like you often fail to realise that the majority of cyclists in the western world ALSO drive. I'm one of them.

2. I never said cars were infringing on anything.

3. I've made my REAL point abundantly clear several times and if you can't see it I'm not going to repeat it.

contd

[thirteenfingers]

@geonerd 4. I couldn't care less about CM and don't claim to speak for it any more than I speak for the KKK, PETA, the NRA or any other group I'm not involved with.

5. if you genuinely believe all CMers only want to fuck people over you're a bigger idiot than I thought. The few I know would rather not, but see no alternative since years of letter-writing to politicians has achieved nothing.

6. Don't reply unless you want to address something I actually said - or just prove you ARE a moron.

[locutas1024]

@PortlandsTransport Using the road does not make anyone guilty of "screwing with other people".

[pdxktv]

looks like fun

[PortlandsTransport]

yea- if your not in your car trying to get somewhere important!

[pdxktv]

Well, I suppose you might want to leave a little early if it's important because you might find yourself stuck by a wreck, a traffic jam, a parade, etc, etc.

I reckon this pisses you off because it's bicycles slowing traffic and you believe they have no claim to the public right-of-way.

[Polybun]

you can wait, we wait on cars all the time, stop being such a fucking cry baby.

[AntiFalconPunch]

@PortlandsTransport

Like where? Burger King?