@kylaphotographics. You are missing the point. Univerasalists believe that many paths lead to the same goal. Thy believe that all religions can be right in their own way. They say that no religion is exclusive, it is in their doctrine. But this is an impossible contradiction. All religions claim to be exclusive, so an intellectual human being cannot say they "all lead to the same place," because they don't. Universalism is the product of our relativst society.
@dtdowntown67 I will agree to disagree with you, I don't think I will convince you that the 'personal journey' that Unitarian offers is for you. As it happens I don''t think 'many paths lead to the same goal' but I really don't think that matters. Good luck will all you do.
Unitairanism is different to other faith groups. Don't think of it as a set of beliefs to follow (like most major religions) - it not that all all. It's a faith community which exists to allow people to expand their own knowledge and draw their own conclusions - a safe environment where people who are tolerant of other's views are welcome. Its not for everyone, but it is for some (which includes me!). Many Unitarians don't call it a religion so I do understand your question.
@kylaphotographics Well I asked it because on a vid I watched they were talking about how religion is bad and then a unitarian minister said they should clean up their language and not defame religion. She further said that she as an unitarian was part of a religion which didn't have any superstition. That sounded strane to me because religion entail the belive in supernatural. So unitatinaism in your view is a community where people meet to talk about philosophies?
Unitarian Univerasalistm is the unfortunate product of a liberal world. And I know I am going to get a lot of hate for saying that, but it's absolutely true. I have family who are unitarian, so don't say I HATE them, I'm just making the simple observation that it CANNOT EXIST. How can there be more than one truth if each religion IS ABSOLUTE AND CONTRADICTS THE OTHERS. My goodness I just can't understand how people can buy into this nonsense.
You have stated it, there are more then one belief, they exsist and people try and argue and bump elbows with each other but in UU they come together in peace.
@TombKaios I don't find anything wrong with people of different faiths coming together in peace. But the fact is that they contradict eachother. If I am a Christian and you are a Muslim, we could "come together in peace" like you said, but we will disagree on religious aspects on a fundamental level. Truth is not relative when two truths contradict. The law of contradiction applies- x and non-x cannot say the same thing.
@dtdowntown67 Isn't is beautiful that they do not confront and they do not fight for a truth but rather they unite people? Now who is more christlike or godlike or budhalike or any spirial teacher like?
@34roberees No. I think truth is very important and we should actively seek it, rather than diminish its value by saying there is no one truth. That is not christlike at all. In fact, in John 8:32, Jesus says "you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Well I believe that the truth is in Jesus Christ, and in him alone. It is actually quite insulting to all the religious traditions to say that they are all basically saying the same things.
@dtdowntown67 :::There may be one ultimate truth, but how are we going to find it? It is part of our growth as we look for it. We may find something that sounds right today, but we will find better tomorrow. It is a process of seeking and analyzing, and thinking. Perhaps God designed it that way so we will not be stagnant in our thinking. Carlton Pearson as a pentecostal preacher who prayed about all the souls that would go to hell without Jesus. His revelation? No one goes tohell for unbelief
@k0smon It isn't about what we find, or how we seek it, or what we are seeking, because that is not what's important in this respect. What's important is simply what IS and what ISN'T. That is my main problem with universalism, that they don't understand this. Look at it this way, either there is a heaven and hell, or there isn't. Either Jesus was resurrected and truly is God, or he was a liar. There is no middle ground with truth, there are no options. Truth is just as established as 2+2=4.
@dtdowntown67 :::The identification of what is 'true' is the big question. We don't have a cave in the mountains somewhere that contains 'the truth' in stone. How will you determine what IS? How do we figure that Jesus might be a liar? He never wrote anything. I'm sure he was lied about many times. Not all agree he was God. His body may simply have been his spirit body, that we all have when we die. Certainly there is an afterlife, but does it work like the bible says it does? I don't thinkso
@k0smon Why do you say certainly there is an afterlife? What leads you to believe that?
Ahh you finally reached the point I was looking for, a point that universalists don't usually get to. How do yoo determine what IS? Well, because Jesus, his death, and his resurrection are historical claims, than you use HISTORY to determine their validity. As far as the resurrection goes, there is A LOT of strong evidence that supports it. I can inbox you some evidence if you like, b/c I can't fit it here.
@dtdowntown67 :: I am certain of an afterlife because I have attended 2 materialization seances and spoken to those that live there. I have studied reports of NDEs, psychic investigators, and other life after death literature. I believe Drs who investigate NDEs and are convinced of the continuation of life.
Secular history does not support the claims for the resurrection of Jesus, History barely mentions him at all, and some of those are thought to be forgeries.
@k0smon@k0smon As a Christian I also believe in an afterlife, but be very careful with seances and the like, they could be dangerous. And as far as history goes, I disagree Secular history does not support the resurrection claims only because they reject them from the get go. But if you look at the resurrection as a purely historical event, then it is solid. We know Jesus died, and yet there were 400 people, not even including the disciples and the Mary's and Paul, who saw him after his death.
@dtdowntown67 ::: The only danger in a seance is to the medium, who can be harmed if the ectoplasm is handled unexpectedly. Or maybe if someone freaked out and ran out of the room. But you screen people first to prevent that from happening.
Historicity from the CE is spotty at best, because church officials burned books and libraries to cover their tracks. Information I have comes from psychic sources. Was Jesus' resurrection any different from ours, having a spirit body that they could see?
@k0smon And who is to say your psychic sources are telling the truth? The Bible speaks of spiritual forces other than God, which are evil. They are called demons, servants of Satan who look to deceive humanity. I can't convince you that these psychic revelations you are receiving are demonically influenced, but I can get you to look at this another way. If Christ has risen, wouldn't Satan and his demons WANT you to believe that it never happened, and therefore have every reason to lie to you?
@dtdowntown67 :: The psychic sources have no reason to lie. They speak of the knowledge they have. I have no problem with Christ 'arising' in his spiritual body, I just don't give it any religious significance. The late Hans Holtzer, author and psychic researcher, stated there were no demons and no satan. These are just bible personalities and have no reality. Evil people die, so in this sense, there are evil spirits. There is no religion in the spirit world. How you treat others makes the diff
@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
In their attempt to be "free thinking" and "non-creedal," the UUs have become so liberal that they deny almost every doctrine of the Christian faith, replacing the worship of God with a worship of self, teaching that human reason and experience take precedence over the Word of God
you all are avoiding, Gods purpose, the lesson of life...being here is a test to see how we use our free will, and if we use it to get us to heaven or to hell.....i feel so sorry for you all that follow this religion..it is man made..it was not sent by God. There are no wrong questions....only wrong answers, and this religion is giving the wrong answers.....you are supose to follow Gods word, not what you think it is. There is no common sence here...I pray for you all
yes that is true, but i belief that a man is sovereign by natural right. We can govern ourselves if we wanted to, but people fear what would happen if we did, its because of a lack of understanding yourself, that has made people want to be governed and give up their natural right to be controlled by others. we are not free, because we gave up our freedoms willingly to someone else
Sure you can. Now if your looking for the term calvinism, your not going to find it. Before Calvin it was called Augustininism. Before Augustine, it was Pauline. Same doctrine, different name.
Again read the writings of Ignatius who was a 1st century christian, there is no doubt that he taught Predestination etc.
Many Unitarians believe that Jesus was a profit who gave us important teachings about God the father, but they don't think of Jesus as a God. We feel you can believe in Jesus message without the need to believe in the physical resurrection. We know that not e'body will take that view & we respect that. More importantly, Unitarians feel that we should all come 2 our own conclusions on these matters, so opinions vary & we are happy with this diversity in/outside our movement. Hope that helps.
As you have just read unitarianism shares many beliefs that Islam teaches. However Orthodox historical christianity is Trinitarian as taught to us by our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.
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ammarolga 7 months ago
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riethc 7 months ago
@kylaphotographics. You are missing the point. Univerasalists believe that many paths lead to the same goal. Thy believe that all religions can be right in their own way. They say that no religion is exclusive, it is in their doctrine. But this is an impossible contradiction. All religions claim to be exclusive, so an intellectual human being cannot say they "all lead to the same place," because they don't. Universalism is the product of our relativst society.
dtdowntown67 1 year ago 2
@dtdowntown67 I will agree to disagree with you, I don't think I will convince you that the 'personal journey' that Unitarian offers is for you. As it happens I don''t think 'many paths lead to the same goal' but I really don't think that matters. Good luck will all you do.
ukunitarians 1 year ago
@ukunitarians Well what about you sir, what's your worldview?
dtdowntown67 1 year ago
@ukunitarians and yet in every religion goals can go either two ways "Heaven" or "Hell" so only one can be right
Vlaxerman343 1 year ago
So do they belive in a god? If not why call it a religion?
reafdaw01 1 year ago
Unitairanism is different to other faith groups. Don't think of it as a set of beliefs to follow (like most major religions) - it not that all all. It's a faith community which exists to allow people to expand their own knowledge and draw their own conclusions - a safe environment where people who are tolerant of other's views are welcome. Its not for everyone, but it is for some (which includes me!). Many Unitarians don't call it a religion so I do understand your question.
kylaphotographics 1 year ago
@kylaphotographics Well I asked it because on a vid I watched they were talking about how religion is bad and then a unitarian minister said they should clean up their language and not defame religion. She further said that she as an unitarian was part of a religion which didn't have any superstition. That sounded strane to me because religion entail the belive in supernatural. So unitatinaism in your view is a community where people meet to talk about philosophies?
reafdaw01 1 year ago
Unitarian Univerasalistm is the unfortunate product of a liberal world. And I know I am going to get a lot of hate for saying that, but it's absolutely true. I have family who are unitarian, so don't say I HATE them, I'm just making the simple observation that it CANNOT EXIST. How can there be more than one truth if each religion IS ABSOLUTE AND CONTRADICTS THE OTHERS. My goodness I just can't understand how people can buy into this nonsense.
dtdowntown67 1 year ago
@dtdowntown67
You have stated it, there are more then one belief, they exsist and people try and argue and bump elbows with each other but in UU they come together in peace.
TombKaios 10 months ago
@TombKaios I don't find anything wrong with people of different faiths coming together in peace. But the fact is that they contradict eachother. If I am a Christian and you are a Muslim, we could "come together in peace" like you said, but we will disagree on religious aspects on a fundamental level. Truth is not relative when two truths contradict. The law of contradiction applies- x and non-x cannot say the same thing.
dtdowntown67 10 months ago
@dtdowntown67 Isn't is beautiful that they do not confront and they do not fight for a truth but rather they unite people? Now who is more christlike or godlike or budhalike or any spirial teacher like?
34roberees 7 months ago
@34roberees No. I think truth is very important and we should actively seek it, rather than diminish its value by saying there is no one truth. That is not christlike at all. In fact, in John 8:32, Jesus says "you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Well I believe that the truth is in Jesus Christ, and in him alone. It is actually quite insulting to all the religious traditions to say that they are all basically saying the same things.
dtdowntown67 7 months ago
@dtdowntown67 :::There may be one ultimate truth, but how are we going to find it? It is part of our growth as we look for it. We may find something that sounds right today, but we will find better tomorrow. It is a process of seeking and analyzing, and thinking. Perhaps God designed it that way so we will not be stagnant in our thinking. Carlton Pearson as a pentecostal preacher who prayed about all the souls that would go to hell without Jesus. His revelation? No one goes tohell for unbelief
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon It isn't about what we find, or how we seek it, or what we are seeking, because that is not what's important in this respect. What's important is simply what IS and what ISN'T. That is my main problem with universalism, that they don't understand this. Look at it this way, either there is a heaven and hell, or there isn't. Either Jesus was resurrected and truly is God, or he was a liar. There is no middle ground with truth, there are no options. Truth is just as established as 2+2=4.
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
@dtdowntown67 :::The identification of what is 'true' is the big question. We don't have a cave in the mountains somewhere that contains 'the truth' in stone. How will you determine what IS? How do we figure that Jesus might be a liar? He never wrote anything. I'm sure he was lied about many times. Not all agree he was God. His body may simply have been his spirit body, that we all have when we die. Certainly there is an afterlife, but does it work like the bible says it does? I don't thinkso
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon Why do you say certainly there is an afterlife? What leads you to believe that?
Ahh you finally reached the point I was looking for, a point that universalists don't usually get to. How do yoo determine what IS? Well, because Jesus, his death, and his resurrection are historical claims, than you use HISTORY to determine their validity. As far as the resurrection goes, there is A LOT of strong evidence that supports it. I can inbox you some evidence if you like, b/c I can't fit it here.
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
@dtdowntown67 :: I am certain of an afterlife because I have attended 2 materialization seances and spoken to those that live there. I have studied reports of NDEs, psychic investigators, and other life after death literature. I believe Drs who investigate NDEs and are convinced of the continuation of life.
Secular history does not support the claims for the resurrection of Jesus, History barely mentions him at all, and some of those are thought to be forgeries.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon @k0smon As a Christian I also believe in an afterlife, but be very careful with seances and the like, they could be dangerous. And as far as history goes, I disagree Secular history does not support the resurrection claims only because they reject them from the get go. But if you look at the resurrection as a purely historical event, then it is solid. We know Jesus died, and yet there were 400 people, not even including the disciples and the Mary's and Paul, who saw him after his death.
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
@dtdowntown67 ::: The only danger in a seance is to the medium, who can be harmed if the ectoplasm is handled unexpectedly. Or maybe if someone freaked out and ran out of the room. But you screen people first to prevent that from happening.
Historicity from the CE is spotty at best, because church officials burned books and libraries to cover their tracks. Information I have comes from psychic sources. Was Jesus' resurrection any different from ours, having a spirit body that they could see?
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon And who is to say your psychic sources are telling the truth? The Bible speaks of spiritual forces other than God, which are evil. They are called demons, servants of Satan who look to deceive humanity. I can't convince you that these psychic revelations you are receiving are demonically influenced, but I can get you to look at this another way. If Christ has risen, wouldn't Satan and his demons WANT you to believe that it never happened, and therefore have every reason to lie to you?
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
@dtdowntown67 :: The psychic sources have no reason to lie. They speak of the knowledge they have. I have no problem with Christ 'arising' in his spiritual body, I just don't give it any religious significance. The late Hans Holtzer, author and psychic researcher, stated there were no demons and no satan. These are just bible personalities and have no reality. Evil people die, so in this sense, there are evil spirits. There is no religion in the spirit world. How you treat others makes the diff
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
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@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
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@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
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@k0smon If they are demons then they have every reason to lie. Of course they wouldn't tell you they are demons. They want you to believe that Christ didn't die for your sins. I can tell you with absolute assurance that he did, because the Spirit revealed it to me, and I can tell you that you are speaking with demons. Please at least try to reach out to the true God, it's the best decision you will ever make.
dtdowntown67 5 months ago
In their attempt to be "free thinking" and "non-creedal," the UUs have become so liberal that they deny almost every doctrine of the Christian faith, replacing the worship of God with a worship of self, teaching that human reason and experience take precedence over the Word of God
sandrock605 1 year ago
True monotheism. Just like Judaism, Islam and bahai faith
jigglyfidda125 1 year ago
@jigglyfidda125 sihkism too my friend
projectoz88 1 year ago
you all are avoiding, Gods purpose, the lesson of life...being here is a test to see how we use our free will, and if we use it to get us to heaven or to hell.....i feel so sorry for you all that follow this religion..it is man made..it was not sent by God. There are no wrong questions....only wrong answers, and this religion is giving the wrong answers.....you are supose to follow Gods word, not what you think it is. There is no common sence here...I pray for you all
francarmel 1 year ago
LONG LIVE THE UU!
bolillo239 1 year ago
Confusing
Phirelord77 1 year ago
open minded brainwashing lol
jpc08109 1 year ago 4
i'm doing a project on this thanx for good info :)
0wnednoobrun 2 years ago
most of those books were burned during the dark and medieval ages, so we have no textual reference for them
Igneous01 2 years ago
There has ALWAYS been a debate in the church on the sovereignty of man.
October31st1517 2 years ago
yes that is true, but i belief that a man is sovereign by natural right. We can govern ourselves if we wanted to, but people fear what would happen if we did, its because of a lack of understanding yourself, that has made people want to be governed and give up their natural right to be controlled by others. we are not free, because we gave up our freedoms willingly to someone else
Igneous01 2 years ago
Sure you can. Now if your looking for the term calvinism, your not going to find it. Before Calvin it was called Augustininism. Before Augustine, it was Pauline. Same doctrine, different name.
Again read the writings of Ignatius who was a 1st century christian, there is no doubt that he taught Predestination etc.
October31st1517 2 years ago
No. Orthodox christianity is catholic, but not Roman Catholic. The 1st century christians were trinitarian. Read the writings of Ignatius of Antioch.
October31st1517 2 years ago
This unitarian sounds like a real liberal heretic.
Testallthings 2 years ago
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MassLiberal1 2 years ago
Many Unitarians believe that Jesus was a profit who gave us important teachings about God the father, but they don't think of Jesus as a God. We feel you can believe in Jesus message without the need to believe in the physical resurrection. We know that not e'body will take that view & we respect that. More importantly, Unitarians feel that we should all come 2 our own conclusions on these matters, so opinions vary & we are happy with this diversity in/outside our movement. Hope that helps.
ukunitarians 2 years ago
Ukunitarian.
I am a muslim and I always wandered...
Do unitarians believe in the crucification of Jesus?I'll be waiting for your answers.
l3gend4rydragon 2 years ago
As you have just read unitarianism shares many beliefs that Islam teaches. However Orthodox historical christianity is Trinitarian as taught to us by our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.
October31st1517 2 years ago
i just would like to know do you believe in trinity . the reason i am asking because deed without the believe in "unity of God' is useless
falcon02012 2 years ago