it has been disputed by many learned scholors the validity of old testement references to jesus, direct translations of old hebrew texts are very ambiguos and are clearly not a direct referance to the historical jesus.
Lets set this straight if you think that god created the universe thats fine and if you think that it came into existence by no god thats fine but if you are going to go to the other and be an asshole go die/hell
Much of the science in the Quran is similar to much older Greek texts that Muslims of the time period were aware of. If you do some creative interpretation of a sura, yeah you can make it fit into the Big Bang theory (Earth and heaven were one but then split), but this too is not exclusive to Islam, as the concept of Earth and heaven being one is reflected in certain eastern religions/mythologies (Cosmic Egg).
Chapter 21 on the Quran which was revealed : Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (30){simply this verse talking about the big bang. at the same chapter verse 104 , God told us how the universe will end}
Chapter 52 : We have built the heaven with might , and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof) (47){ the universe still expanding}
where is this universe expanding into ? big bang ?clever bullshit? oh but you dont understand the sience they say. well i know what sounds feasable and whats at best shaky theorys on the origion of everything.
nobody can explain how god was created. he was not created but always was there...now the question is not on how he could be into existance already but the real question is, how long is eternity?thats how long god has been around...but then people ask...why god can be always there and not the universe...but the difference is that god is a being...while the universe is only a place for beings...so then if a place was made then where did it necessarily come from?
Chapter 21 on the Quran which was revealed : Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (30){simply this verse talking about the big bang. at the same chapter verse 104 , God told us how the universe will end}
Chapter 52 : We have built the heaven with might , and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof) (47){ the universe still expanding}
@lordofthecoils Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
@lordofthecoils He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, [our] faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Isaiah 53:3
But He [was] wounded for our transgressions, [He was] bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace [was] upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
@ezerdthelezerd96 this is one of many translations from the hebrew texts which in the origional that the "servant" they are speaking of is the nation of isrial itself and not the messiah.
@lordofthecoils Israel was known as zion, which was referred as her, not him and only the messiah could be referred to as being wounded for our transgressions,bruised for our iniquities; chastised for our peace And that by His stripes we are healed(Isaiah 53:5)..i dont think Israel suffered for anyone because they had to be perfect in which we all know that none of mankind is
answer me this if the universe is expanding ,what is it expanding into.and mabey big bangs are a comman event in a imfinate universe,which could be a eternal universe,always having been there. why not ? many people believe god is eternal.
@aatefmagic Because most people can't help themselves. Religion and Science are very Hostile to each other. Religious people think not, however the methods of obtaining facts and also how they work are very incompatible ;)
Hawking - "Our collective free time needs to shift as much as possible to education. Whether you're a young student or finished school long ago, get out to the library whenever you can and work hard to learn everything you can about this world. Each individual and society will benefit from being able to solve more problems and make better decisions. Education is an amazing discovery process that repays you endlessly."
The big bang theory says that the universe was contained in a small bead, including space. And that there was no space around it. But if the universe was to expand, there had to be space around it for it to expand into. And it also says that the universe, pre big bang, had spontaneously popped into existence, as protons do on a quantum level. But there had to be some area for the universe to pop into. Explain that one Hawking!
What a brain do we have humans..read first 4 words and think who did assume the Big Bang theory and was he a Muslim? "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing Then will they not believe? " so simply ALLAH or the one and only GOD we know talks about it what made the modern Muslims who read and hear about this theory hold there religion...read about Qura'an you will be surprised
@SeasonsOfBlue Probably because the Big Bang carries quite a big Philosophical, Theological and Religious meaning. The Steady State Model stated that the Universe was static and didn't have a begining, and therefore a God/Creator was unnecessary. But when we discovered the expansion of the Universe, Cosmic background radiation and more, we could track down the Universe expansion back in time to a point in time where the Universe bagan to exist.
I understand what you're saying. But it's still a bit irritating when you're expecting relevant comments but instead almost every video to do with the universe/space is a debate of god's existence.
@SeasonsOfBlue Yeah, I myself is a Christian, and also very interested in Cosmology, Physics and Space overall. But it's irritating to see every Big Bang video/documentary being a debate about God. "Can't we all just debate the topic off the Big Bang and how interesting it is" I think sometimes, lol.
@thetraceur123 True, but i think the reason is that the big bang and god are the biggest two explanations for the existence of the universe so that is why whenever they talk about the big bang god is mentioned and visa versa. I can see your point but this is a very historical debate. As an atheist I personally think the big bang is a better explanation and in the near future will eventually prevail but I don't want to cause a racket ;)
@SeasonsOfBlue Because the idea of a begining and its religious implications, it was criticised by Steady State proponents and also some Atheists. A begining and a begining ex-nihilo is what is predicted by the Bible and a scientific Cosmological model confirming that was said to be absurd and was criticized by for example Fred Hoyle the big astronomer, proponent of the Steady State model and was also an Atheist.
They're both Philosophies. They work independently and works at that perfectly. No one would want to smash two hammers into a stone at the same rate. They would meet midway and just won't make it to the rock. :D
It's so damn decent of the Vatican to say that science and religion can exist together!I think that's called turning necessity into virtue.Science doesn't need religion but religion needs science.
Sounds like Einstein. It's something like "Science without Religion is lame, but Religion without Science is blind". I might be wrong... Could be someone else. :S
@CarlosMarti123 Shouldn't you be on your knees asking for forgiveness,and praying for strength and grovelling and all the other nonsense that you superstitious people do?
"Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;"- Psalm 33:18
"The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit." - Psalm 34:18
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" - John 10:10
""If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do."- Exodus 21:7
"For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema (list goes on here...) ... he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect" - Leviticus 21
we can/should pray earnestly to GOD for HIS mercy, reading the holy Bible as often as possible because The LORD GOD saves souls through HIS words/Word, mercifully bringing people to salvation/eternal life through The Lord JESUS CHRIST (believe in HIM, JESUS), thereby escaping HIS righteous wrath for sin. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." - Genesis 2:1-3
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 18:3-5
"For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."-Luke 14:11
"He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses." -Psalm 33:5-7
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made... He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:1-3,10, 14
"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? - Job 38:30-32."He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." -Psalm 147:4-5. "The LORD reigns"!
"Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word." -Isaiah 66:1-2
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
@RMxtreme1 Dude, you're laughed at by the mainstream scientific community, and for very good reasons. You're basically a bunch of charlatans who shamelessly bypass the peer-reviewing process (because you know full well you'll be exposed as total frauds if you were to submit this to professionals in the field), and you instead appeal directly to a general public unqualified to assess the matter.
Unqualified precisely because religious scum like yourself work to deny them a proper education.
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories. Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, ....
Atheism can have no delusions, for it makes no assertions. Atheism isn't a belief in the absence of gods, it is the absence of a belief in gods. Why that absence? Because there simply is no reason to assume there is a divine entity anymore than there is to assume there any fairies, unicorns or invisible cheese monsters.
You really should replace those simplistic stereotypes and prejudices with informed (aka educated) opinions.
@Glutto..What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
@1tabligh Nobody "worships", science, my foolish friend. Science is merely the study of reality, nothing more. Therefore, if you are at odds with the sciencific view you are essentially at odds with reality itself. I would recommend an experienced psychiatrist in that case.
Allah was created by humans, not the other way around.
@GluttonForSex I would recommend an experienced psychiatrist in that case.
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Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature
to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
How is that for YOUR "I would recommend an experienced psychiatrist in that case." and answer the question instead?!
@1tabligh Attempts to mystify/glorify primitive superstition and ignorance with descriptions as "innate nature" don't impress me. It also attempts to imply that people who refuse to blindly follow such superstitions are "unnatural", which borders on hatespeech.
Ironically, a more genuine example of "innate human nature" would be the sexual drive. Yet the Abrahamic faiths -including your Islam- are notorious for their phobic and hysterical attitude towards this.
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@1tabligh Heheh. Yes, the scientific view is so short-sighted it has eradicated diseases, increased life expectancy of humans by dozens of years, put men on the moon and has allowed you the technology through with to comment on how inferior science is.
Logic cannot definitely prove that there are no faeries. Your whole argument is that this limitation is proof that faeries exist, and that they should thus be worshipped. So yes, a psychiatrist would probably not be a bad idea.
So much science for this brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Yes or no?
I will make it easy for you to answer!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero,
when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
How is that for YOUR "Heheh" and answer ALL the questions instead of quibbling in vain?!
@1tabligh Again, I don't see how the current lack of answers in some fields supposedly leads to stoneage beliefs becoming vindicated. Science is a work in progress, not a final result. It doesn't permit itself the delusion of thinking it has the ultimate answer to all questions. That laughable arrogance is the domain of religion.
Many things were a mystery a hundred years ago which now are well understood. What deep mysteries of today will no longer be mysteries another hundred years from now?
Still dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
@1tabligh That's your problem; you don't understand the definition of atheism. Again, atheism is not a belief in the absence of gods. It is an absence of the belief in gods.
As a muslim, you are 99% atheist. You are an atheist about all the other gods and godesses humanity has ever believed in throughout history. The only difference between you and me is that I just go one god further.
The reason you do not believe in Zeus is the same reason I do not believe in Allah. There is no difference.
@GluttonForSex The reason you do not believe in Zeus is the same reason I do not believe in Allah.
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I make a claim of ONE God ( Allah, Lord, Gud, Khuda, etc ) then I will produce the evidence to back it up!
Anyone who claims of "zeus, apollo, thor " etc or anything for that matter has to back it up!
If numerous gods ruled over the world and each of these gods acted and gave commands in accordance with his own will, the order of the universe would dissolve into anarchy.
@1tabligh Unfortunately, a self-referencing book doesn't qualify as evidence by any stretch. By that reasoning, the books about Harry Potter are proof that Harry Potter actually exists. How do we know for sure Harry Potter really exists? Because it says so in the books!
So, my point stands. There are many mysteries left unsolved at this moment in history, but how that fact in any way is supposed to vindicate religion is quite beyond me. Religion is fairy tale for grown-ups. The joke's on you.
If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
Quran 21: 22
Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh Also, what's funny is that you overlook how the god proposal isn't above the puzzle you raise. To use your own example:
"Then how can you delude yourself and believe that Allah should first produce himself, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws etc."
One can always keep asking: "so what came before that?" even about the creators themselves. Therefore, the idea there's a creator behind the universe cannot actually solve the problem of infinity either.
everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, ...
to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought. In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
It becomes very curious that Hawking takes as starting premise for Science "the natural laws can to explain everything" and at the same time, he doesn't seem to note that it's not possible to find a sufficiently uniform region into outer space for testing if a hydrogen cloud can to collapse on itself gravitationally for forming a star. Even in fact, the hydrogen clouds tend to dissipate.
@RMxtreme1 ye and if you lean more towards science it came into existence out of a singularity in a quantum vaccum balancing the equation of matter and anti matter 0=1+(-1). ofc. after matter formed from energy and the coming into existence of time with E=mc^2 or m(mass)=sqr (E/c) *note c(speed of light, speed only exists when there is time). the only way it could have, out of nothingness. But who really understands quantum physics ey?
watch a universe from nothing by Professor Lawrence Kraus.
The Stephen Hawking Universe video contains a typical fallacy of atheism, they use the starting premise “the Science is based on natural laws” and they finished accepting a metaphysical statement “the universe come from an infinite causal chain”. In deep the problem is: if universe is coming from an infinite causal chain, then, it is not impossible deny to God or any creator else…think about please. I think the atheism is just a religion based on denying of God…
@vibhutesagar : The atheism is not a religion based on man who play a role of god, this is its greatest dogma. They believe the moral is relative, therefore, each one can to decide what "moral" means, this is dogma else...
@Leivinn20 I consider myself an atheist and many of my friends are too. We don't need to 'deny' God because we simply don't consider the notion of God, any sort of a God.
@vibhutesagar : It is impossible for any person states God is only a notion because the starting premise which says our thoughts are determined by brain particles according natural laws is unacceptable from scientific method viewpoint. God is a scientific need. The atheism exists and is a religion based on persons.
@letsgowings735 Oh YEA, I don't collect beanie baby's. Take that both of you. Also, If you don't believe in my non collection as best, it will command me to commit atrocities, and genocide to all of mankind. Make it easy on yourself, just believe!
@vibhutesagar i do not appreciate your comment, its rather ignorant than "intelligent". Do not discriminate against other's belief just because they shitted your mind with religion
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My religion already told me that the origin of the material of the universe is from one solid material and it is expanding. The science explain but has its limit. Both religion and science is side by side.
@weki5000 I don't believe there is any need for humans to be religious. I think people only believe in a particular religion as they don't know what else could have created life and it gives them comfort of mind. In my opinion, it's just a fall back.
@levandoski2010 : The Stephen Hawking Universe video contains a typical fallacy of atheism, they use the starting premise “the Science is based on natural laws” and they finished accepting a metaphysical statement “the universe come from an infinite causal chain”. In deep the problem is: if universe is coming from an infinite causal chain, then, it is not impossible deny existence God or any creator else…think about please. I think the atheism is just a religion based on denying of God…
@levandoski2010 Around 99% of Science is only a theory, sure there is more of a conviencing arguement towards science, however we're just as unsure as religon is real as we are with Science. Until both sciencists and religonists learn to respect each other's arguements, we'll never be able to anwser these huge questions.
@herojob Nonsense. Science is based on observational evidence and experimental verification. Religion is based on imposed dogma and the systematic silencing of debate.
As such, the two are nowhere near to being equal. That would be like making the claim that a witch doctor is equal to a modern surgeon, with the difference between the two merely being a difference of opinion or style.
In truth, one is a complete fraud and the other is firmly rooted in reality. So too with religion and science.
@GluttonForSex Your argument is convincing and what you've said is true, however I'm not trying to relate or damage an-others crediblity (despite some of my original post being towards that) I'm just saying that both parties should respect each others views and take into account their perspective of the Universe, however if you think my complete view is "bull" then I'll use evidence from this documentary; a creationist thought up The Big Bang Theory;no more room
@herojob Tell me, why should we respect views that once led directly to holy wars, mass-murders, witch burnings, inquisitions, ex-communications, etc?
You'll likely answer these are things which are in the past. But they are in the past precisely because secular forces ceased "respecting" religion, and uncompromisingly demanded it adapted to the modern ages.
I'd argue that religion deserves no respect at all, because 1) it offers no respect at all, and 2) it offers no evidence at all.
@GluttonForSex You are now the one talking about the past, sure Religion has caused a number of wars etc that I agree, however religion has played a vital role in the history of the Human Race without it we wouldn't be here today. Question 1) A common misconception for example Darwin's theory of evolution, I bet you've heard of the controversy about evolution and the catholic church, however the Church respected and didn't mind the theory....
@GluttonForSex Your argument is vaild and I completely understand your view and I respect that, everyone has different perspectives of Religion and Science and you're intilted to it, to some extent it's healthy to have some other outlook on the entire scenario however without respect for someone elses outlook is wrong, and I think your arguement shouldn't even be thought of.
You're right that intolerance of other views can lead to persecution and violence. The history of religion is replete with such examples, the inquisition and holy wars being among the most notorious. On the other hand, atheism's "intolerance" never seems to lead to those types of systematic violence or prosecution, let alone on such scales.
The two may seem similar in principle, but their consequences are vastly different. That is something to acutely be aware of.
@GluttonForSex Though religion has caused horrible things in the past, Atheism has done things just as bad, All communist regimes are practically atheist, The USSR, banned religion killed anyone who followed religion, and were responsible for millions of deaths. The Nazi's believed that the Arian race had evolved past every other people group, and the jews, and other people groups were lower then they were and murdered thousands of then by shoving them into gas chambers or burning them aliv
@jewl131 Apples & oranges. But they're even bigger this time.
Atheism is a man-made concept. Therefore, it is understandable that mistakes are made in its name for we humans have to learn matters through trial & error. Religion, on the other hand, casts itself as a source of truth passed down from some ultimate being.
Yet in practice, we find that religion is prone to the precise same mistakes as human-based philosophies. This makes it painfully obvious religion is entirely man-made as well.
Those things are not BECAUSE of Atheism. The actual belief is not what caused them to happen. They occured because people change things to match their beliefs. USSR killed those people to match their beliefs. It is not the core concept that did that. Religions are the same. Terrorists kill people so that others believe the things they do. Islam is not wrong because of that. The concepts stay the same, but their conditions change.
@GluttonForSex they didn't mind that we evolved from a species of primates as long as they we purposely created by a higher being, also the current situation with the church and science is fine, the church respects science and it's research, what your saying isn't taking into account "evidence" 2nd) It doesn't as Religion involves "believing" it doesn't have to have evidence just like some well respected science hypotheses
@levandoski2010 I agree,People have been brainwashed by the myths/stories of various religions for thousands of years.Now-a-days,at a very young age ie:"Catholics". They are told there is an invisible being up there looking down at them all the time! Yet,this invisible being gives them,deseases,hunger,famine,wars,kills kids with cancer on a daily basis...BUT LOVES THEM! Time for sane people to wake up and look at science for answers.
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For a large part of Human history it was "proven scientific fact" that the Earth was flat. People are not as smart as they claim. Things are "fact' only so long as a new theory hasn't come along to take the old ones place.
@SauceCaptain You moron. The scientific method did not exist when people thought the earth was flat. It was during the dark ages when religion ruled that people thought the earth was flat because they just guessed and the catholic church would burn you at the stakes if you disagreed. This was the horrible reality of the Dark Ages. All religion has brought us is suppression and the Dark Ages.
@soldersucker And religion got us out of the Dark Ages... After the roman empire crumbled, the Catholic church rebuilded Europe and promoted monks to find scientific proof that their God exists. I do not defend the church for what they did though.
For a large part of Human history it was "proven scientific fact" that the Earth was flat.
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Do a Google search for "The Relativity of Wrong". Isaac Asimov addresses your particular misconception more eloquently than I can on YT in 500 chars or less.
@sbergman27 It was not proven scientific fact, it was observational assumptions backed by religious conotations. Not presise mathematical evidence. Get your facts straight.
It was not proven scientific fact, it was observational assumptions backed by religious conotations. Not presise mathematical evidence. Get your facts straight.
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Please specify what you are objecting to. And from which post.
we are all creations there is no doubt about that and about heaven no scientest will ever find it until he sees it for him self when he dies and to logically prove heaven and hell when you are in your mothers stomach you do not now what to expect from this world it is rather something beyond your reach when you are a child and born into this world so it is the same when you die
@Sistanifollower786 Perhaps when you die and go to heaven, there will be a school there to teach you how to spell, use standard grammar, break your posts up into sentences with a capital letter at the beginning, and a suitable punctuation mark at the end. If your heaven has levels, then perhaps in the second one you can learn about paragraphs. And then, perhaps, you can come back as a ghost, and people might be able to decipher what you are trying to blabber about your religious hallucinations.
I am quite puzzled of all beings existing come from one cell and that we came in to being by accident, so that means we come from nothing and will go to nothing and if we kill 100's of human beings and die our self then will there not be any justice done for some one killing 100 humans so i seem to understand we can kill for fun and when we die it is ok
I am quite puzzled of all beings existing come from one cell and that we came in to being by accident, so that means we come from nothing and will go to nothing and if we kill 100's of human beings and die our self then will there not be any justice done for some one killing 100 humans so i seem to understand we can kill for fun and when we die it is ok
just because they try and prove there is no god, and the real occurance that created earth... doesnt mean its ok to kill people, just because theres no vengful god, doesnt meant its ok to kill people..
@Sistanifollower786 Utterly ridiculous argument. It is an illuminating insight into the Christian mindset when people use this argument. I am not saying I know whether there is a 'god' or not, I cannot prove it either way. But Insisting that just because you see it as "OK" to kill 100 people in a Universe without a 'god' does not mean that I do. Hence the problem with Christianity, you do not realise that morality, while arguably an important part of religion, is not held solely by Christians.
@Sistanifollower786 people can do and be good without a God. And not just because they have to.
And anyway, it doesn't matter whether it is puzzling or not, it is fact. And whatever your belief system may be, it has to incorporate facts, not vice versa.
@Sistanifollower786 so what happens when dogs die or alligators? do they go to heaven. what about dinosours? dinosuars killed dinosaurs. spiders kill spiders. humans kill humans. the connection is- we are all animals made up of the same 20 amino acids that makes up dna, that is fact. what is not fact is that there is a heaven. there logically cannot be. science hasnt found it yet. when we die its over, nothig happens so celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing while you can!
I am quite puzzled of all beings existing come from one cell and that we came in to being by accident, so that means we come from nothing and will go to nothing and if we kill 100's of human beings and die our self then will there not be any justice done for some one killing 100 humans so i seem to understand we can kill for fun and when we die it is ok
speed of light), but this is also a paradox that can be explained: space-time is NOT a particle, so with the matter.. space-time was carrying it at an unimaginable speed. So... how can his theory exist at a time when the basic laws of physics didn't fully exist? The BIGGEST problem with the Big Bang theory is the fact that matter came from nothing, which is contrary to the Conservation of Mass theory, which doesn't quite require the laws of physics, but simply the existence of anything coming
The theory of E = MC2 couldn't take into effect affect at that time because space-time and the four forces didn't quite exist yet. The four forces (Gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, and strong nuclear force) were all one force before the universe was created. When the universe started (which was a tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of a second) space-time expanded faster than the speed of light (which also contradicts Einstein's theory than nothing can travel faster than the speed of
I find the big bang theory very unlikely because if e=mc2 then the universe could never exist as a singularity because it wouldnt be stable (the singularity exploded alegedly) unless time (c) stood still but there wouldnt be any energy for time to start itsself because e=mc2 therefore, with no time there would be no energy to start time, unless e=mc2 is wrong... its like saying that you and me both exist in the exact same space, impossible... the theory is based on a paradox.
And I suppose you have any hard evidence to claim that any alien life form will be altruistic in nature and treat us with respect.
Besides, he didn't claim that humans WILL be enslaved by aliens, but that the POSSIBILITY exists, and thus, our search for extraterrestrial life might pose a great risk and danger to us.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me. It's a gamble where no one can predict the outcome.
it has been disputed by many learned scholors the validity of old testement references to jesus, direct translations of old hebrew texts are very ambiguos and are clearly not a direct referance to the historical jesus.
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
the big bong . lets all have a puff.
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
and the jews are still waiting for thier missiah true or what?
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
Lets set this straight if you think that god created the universe thats fine and if you think that it came into existence by no god thats fine but if you are going to go to the other and be an asshole go die/hell
Ultrawsome 1 month ago
science support the predictions on the Quran about the big bang and other things ,,, so tell me that was a coincidence
power1984power 1 month ago
@power1984power
Much of the science in the Quran is similar to much older Greek texts that Muslims of the time period were aware of. If you do some creative interpretation of a sura, yeah you can make it fit into the Big Bang theory (Earth and heaven were one but then split), but this too is not exclusive to Islam, as the concept of Earth and heaven being one is reflected in certain eastern religions/mythologies (Cosmic Egg).
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@ezerdthelezerd96
Chapter 21 on the Quran which was revealed : Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (30){simply this verse talking about the big bang. at the same chapter verse 104 , God told us how the universe will end}
Chapter 52 : We have built the heaven with might , and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof) (47){ the universe still expanding}
power1984power 1 month ago
where is this universe expanding into ? big bang ?clever bullshit? oh but you dont understand the sience they say. well i know what sounds feasable and whats at best shaky theorys on the origion of everything.
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
nobody can explain how god was created. he was not created but always was there...now the question is not on how he could be into existance already but the real question is, how long is eternity?thats how long god has been around...but then people ask...why god can be always there and not the universe...but the difference is that god is a being...while the universe is only a place for beings...so then if a place was made then where did it necessarily come from?
ezerdthelezerd96 1 month ago
@ezerdthelezerd96
Chapter 21 on the Quran which was revealed : Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (30){simply this verse talking about the big bang. at the same chapter verse 104 , God told us how the universe will end}
Chapter 52 : We have built the heaven with might , and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof) (47){ the universe still expanding}
power1984power 1 month ago
@power1984power dude i dont believe in the quran...i believe in jesus christ...the one who is god....above all///who created all...
ezerdthelezerd96 1 month ago
@ezerdthelezerd96 jesus never claimed to be god . in the origional texts he discribes himself as the son of man
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
@lordofthecoils Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
ezerdthelezerd96 1 month ago
@ezerdthelezerd96 and the jews are still waiting for thier missiah, true or not?
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
@lordofthecoils He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, [our] faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Isaiah 53:3
But He [was] wounded for our transgressions, [He was] bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace [was] upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:5
ezerdthelezerd96 1 month ago
@ezerdthelezerd96 this is one of many translations from the hebrew texts which in the origional that the "servant" they are speaking of is the nation of isrial itself and not the messiah.
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
@lordofthecoils Israel was known as zion, which was referred as her, not him and only the messiah could be referred to as being wounded for our transgressions,bruised for our iniquities; chastised for our peace And that by His stripes we are healed(Isaiah 53:5)..i dont think Israel suffered for anyone because they had to be perfect in which we all know that none of mankind is
ezerdthelezerd96 1 month ago
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@ezerdthelezerd96 and the jews are still waiting for their missiah, true or not
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
answer me this if the universe is expanding ,what is it expanding into.and mabey big bangs are a comman event in a imfinate universe,which could be a eternal universe,always having been there. why not ? many people believe god is eternal.
lordofthecoils 1 month ago
does anyone know when this comes on tv and what channel?
juncu24 2 months ago
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state then expansion started wait!!!
Edsterbolt1620 2 months ago
@aatefmagic Because most people can't help themselves. Religion and Science are very Hostile to each other. Religious people think not, however the methods of obtaining facts and also how they work are very incompatible ;)
xSnapper26x 3 months ago
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Hawking - "Our collective free time needs to shift as much as possible to education. Whether you're a young student or finished school long ago, get out to the library whenever you can and work hard to learn everything you can about this world. Each individual and society will benefit from being able to solve more problems and make better decisions. Education is an amazing discovery process that repays you endlessly."
TheLogicalBrain 3 months ago
the great stephen hawkings. . . .the one after the great Albert einstein
kabindra12345 3 months ago
The matter thy was stored inside the Big Bang expanded.
GarrySpeaks 4 months ago
Big bang is to porsche what uniontera is to ferrari.
uniontera 5 months ago
The big bang theory says that the universe was contained in a small bead, including space. And that there was no space around it. But if the universe was to expand, there had to be space around it for it to expand into. And it also says that the universe, pre big bang, had spontaneously popped into existence, as protons do on a quantum level. But there had to be some area for the universe to pop into. Explain that one Hawking!
NickolusMcIe 5 months ago
The name of this video is perfect for what is going to happen between your mum and me tonight
NoPainNoSpam 6 months ago
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What a brain do we have humans..read first 4 words and think who did assume the Big Bang theory and was he a Muslim? "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing Then will they not believe? " so simply ALLAH or the one and only GOD we know talks about it what made the modern Muslims who read and hear about this theory hold there religion...read about Qura'an you will be surprised
mhbnymn 6 months ago
I fail to see how religion is even relevant to this.
SeasonsOfBlue 7 months ago
@SeasonsOfBlue Probably because the Big Bang carries quite a big Philosophical, Theological and Religious meaning. The Steady State Model stated that the Universe was static and didn't have a begining, and therefore a God/Creator was unnecessary. But when we discovered the expansion of the Universe, Cosmic background radiation and more, we could track down the Universe expansion back in time to a point in time where the Universe bagan to exist.
thetraceur123 7 months ago
@thetraceur123.
I understand what you're saying. But it's still a bit irritating when you're expecting relevant comments but instead almost every video to do with the universe/space is a debate of god's existence.
SeasonsOfBlue 7 months ago
@SeasonsOfBlue Yeah, I myself is a Christian, and also very interested in Cosmology, Physics and Space overall. But it's irritating to see every Big Bang video/documentary being a debate about God. "Can't we all just debate the topic off the Big Bang and how interesting it is" I think sometimes, lol.
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@thetraceur123 True, but i think the reason is that the big bang and god are the biggest two explanations for the existence of the universe so that is why whenever they talk about the big bang god is mentioned and visa versa. I can see your point but this is a very historical debate. As an atheist I personally think the big bang is a better explanation and in the near future will eventually prevail but I don't want to cause a racket ;)
xSnapper26x 3 months ago
@SeasonsOfBlue Because the idea of a begining and its religious implications, it was criticised by Steady State proponents and also some Atheists. A begining and a begining ex-nihilo is what is predicted by the Bible and a scientific Cosmological model confirming that was said to be absurd and was criticized by for example Fred Hoyle the big astronomer, proponent of the Steady State model and was also an Atheist.
thetraceur123 7 months ago
They're both Philosophies. They work independently and works at that perfectly. No one would want to smash two hammers into a stone at the same rate. They would meet midway and just won't make it to the rock. :D
belkasage 9 months ago
It's so damn decent of the Vatican to say that science and religion can exist together!I think that's called turning necessity into virtue.Science doesn't need religion but religion needs science.
henryporter101 9 months ago
@henryporter101
Sounds like Einstein. It's something like "Science without Religion is lame, but Religion without Science is blind". I might be wrong... Could be someone else. :S
newtownlegends 7 months ago
@henryporter101 And I think you need some pills.
CarlosMarti123 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Shouldn't you be on your knees asking for forgiveness,and praying for strength and grovelling and all the other nonsense that you superstitious people do?
henryporter101 7 months ago
@henryporter101 Sorry, I'm not superstitious.
Perhaps you were talking about yourself?
CarlosMarti123 7 months ago
Ya big bang. LOL A new one every 20 years or so. Tells you alot, huh? LOLOL Morons!
8MCDonalds8 9 months ago
"Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;"- Psalm 33:18
"The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit." - Psalm 34:18
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" - John 10:10
HISservant21 10 months ago
@HISservant21
""If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do."- Exodus 21:7
"For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema (list goes on here...) ... he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect" - Leviticus 21
taicleis 10 months ago
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we can/should pray earnestly to GOD for HIS mercy, reading the holy Bible as often as possible because The LORD GOD saves souls through HIS words/Word, mercifully bringing people to salvation/eternal life through The Lord JESUS CHRIST (believe in HIM, JESUS), thereby escaping HIS righteous wrath for sin. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9
HISservant21 10 months ago
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." - Genesis 2:1-3
HISservant21 11 months ago
@HISservant21 cool story bro
TheBeeFart 11 months ago
@TheBeeFart - Praise The LORD GOD! and they are true words, they are HIS & very true. May GOD bless you!
HISservant21 11 months ago
@HISservant21 Ofcourse, ima go and chop some pigeon heads of now :D
TheBeeFart 11 months ago
@HISservant21 does this cover all those of gods children dying of starvation and disease?
SlayerofFiction 11 months ago
@HISservant21 other than your childrens book what do you ahve to put forth?
SlayerofFiction 11 months ago
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@SlayerofFiction
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 18:3-5
"For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."-Luke 14:11
HISservant21 11 months ago
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"He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses." -Psalm 33:5-7
HISservant21 11 months ago
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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made... He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:1-3,10, 14
HISservant21 11 months ago
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"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? - Job 38:30-32."He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." -Psalm 147:4-5. "The LORD reigns"!
HISservant21 11 months ago
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"Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word." -Isaiah 66:1-2
HISservant21 11 months ago
SandustanBrasov
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
sandustanBrasov 1 year ago
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SandustanBrasov
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
sandustanBrasov 1 year ago
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SandustanBrasov
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
sandustanBrasov 1 year ago
@RMxtreme1 Dude, you're laughed at by the mainstream scientific community, and for very good reasons. You're basically a bunch of charlatans who shamelessly bypass the peer-reviewing process (because you know full well you'll be exposed as total frauds if you were to submit this to professionals in the field), and you instead appeal directly to a general public unqualified to assess the matter.
Unqualified precisely because religious scum like yourself work to deny them a proper education.
GluttonForSex 1 year ago
@GluttonForSex
The atheist Delusion!
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories. Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, ....
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh Unintentional comedy at its finest.
Atheism can have no delusions, for it makes no assertions. Atheism isn't a belief in the absence of gods, it is the absence of a belief in gods. Why that absence? Because there simply is no reason to assume there is a divine entity anymore than there is to assume there any fairies, unicorns or invisible cheese monsters.
You really should replace those simplistic stereotypes and prejudices with informed (aka educated) opinions.
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@Glutto..What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh Nobody "worships", science, my foolish friend. Science is merely the study of reality, nothing more. Therefore, if you are at odds with the sciencific view you are essentially at odds with reality itself. I would recommend an experienced psychiatrist in that case.
Allah was created by humans, not the other way around.
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex I would recommend an experienced psychiatrist in that case.
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Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature
1tabligh 11 months ago
to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
1tabligh 11 months ago
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
How is that for YOUR "I would recommend an experienced psychiatrist in that case." and answer the question instead?!
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh Attempts to mystify/glorify primitive superstition and ignorance with descriptions as "innate nature" don't impress me. It also attempts to imply that people who refuse to blindly follow such superstitions are "unnatural", which borders on hatespeech.
Ironically, a more genuine example of "innate human nature" would be the sexual drive. Yet the Abrahamic faiths -including your Islam- are notorious for their phobic and hysterical attitude towards this.
Who has the unnatural mentality?
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh Heheh. Yes, the scientific view is so short-sighted it has eradicated diseases, increased life expectancy of humans by dozens of years, put men on the moon and has allowed you the technology through with to comment on how inferior science is.
Logic cannot definitely prove that there are no faeries. Your whole argument is that this limitation is proof that faeries exist, and that they should thus be worshipped. So yes, a psychiatrist would probably not be a bad idea.
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex Heheh.
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Poor fella!
So much science for this brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Yes or no?
I will make it easy for you to answer!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero,
1tabligh 11 months ago
when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
How is that for YOUR "Heheh" and answer ALL the questions instead of quibbling in vain?!
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh Again, I don't see how the current lack of answers in some fields supposedly leads to stoneage beliefs becoming vindicated. Science is a work in progress, not a final result. It doesn't permit itself the delusion of thinking it has the ultimate answer to all questions. That laughable arrogance is the domain of religion.
Many things were a mystery a hundred years ago which now are well understood. What deep mysteries of today will no longer be mysteries another hundred years from now?
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex
Still dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 11 months ago
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh That's your problem; you don't understand the definition of atheism. Again, atheism is not a belief in the absence of gods. It is an absence of the belief in gods.
As a muslim, you are 99% atheist. You are an atheist about all the other gods and godesses humanity has ever believed in throughout history. The only difference between you and me is that I just go one god further.
The reason you do not believe in Zeus is the same reason I do not believe in Allah. There is no difference.
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex The reason you do not believe in Zeus is the same reason I do not believe in Allah.
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I make a claim of ONE God ( Allah, Lord, Gud, Khuda, etc ) then I will produce the evidence to back it up!
Anyone who claims of "zeus, apollo, thor " etc or anything for that matter has to back it up!
If numerous gods ruled over the world and each of these gods acted and gave commands in accordance with his own will, the order of the universe would dissolve into anarchy.
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh Unfortunately, a self-referencing book doesn't qualify as evidence by any stretch. By that reasoning, the books about Harry Potter are proof that Harry Potter actually exists. How do we know for sure Harry Potter really exists? Because it says so in the books!
So, my point stands. There are many mysteries left unsolved at this moment in history, but how that fact in any way is supposed to vindicate religion is quite beyond me. Religion is fairy tale for grown-ups. The joke's on you.
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex indeed
FIGHTFANNERD3 8 months ago
If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
Quran 21: 22
Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
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GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@1tabligh Also, what's funny is that you overlook how the god proposal isn't above the puzzle you raise. To use your own example:
"Then how can you delude yourself and believe that Allah should first produce himself, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws etc."
One can always keep asking: "so what came before that?" even about the creators themselves. Therefore, the idea there's a creator behind the universe cannot actually solve the problem of infinity either.
GluttonForSex 11 months ago
@GluttonForSex and it is far more complex that a complex being arose from nothing. Makes much less sense.
makkreol 11 months ago
everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, ...
1tabligh 11 months ago
to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought. In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
1tabligh 11 months ago
@RMxtreme1 Or just take a look at the picture taken by the Wilkinson satellite prob of the Background radiation confirming the Big Bang theory.
*note that the Big Bang theory doesn't actually say HOW it "banged", just that it did.
That is science.
Only what you can observe and test.
Look at the picture. yes? no? no you won't look at it. you do not want to know and I can understand that.
*note the theory of evolution is is in the field of biology, not astronomy.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
It becomes very curious that Hawking takes as starting premise for Science "the natural laws can to explain everything" and at the same time, he doesn't seem to note that it's not possible to find a sufficiently uniform region into outer space for testing if a hydrogen cloud can to collapse on itself gravitationally for forming a star. Even in fact, the hydrogen clouds tend to dissipate.
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@RMxtreme1 what you're going to prove Einstein wrong now? good luck pal!
OR you could just call him an "evolutionist" (like yourself a "gravitationalist") and not think about it.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@RMxtreme1 ye and if you lean more towards science it came into existence out of a singularity in a quantum vaccum balancing the equation of matter and anti matter 0=1+(-1). ofc. after matter formed from energy and the coming into existence of time with E=mc^2 or m(mass)=sqr (E/c) *note c(speed of light, speed only exists when there is time). the only way it could have, out of nothingness. But who really understands quantum physics ey?
watch a universe from nothing by Professor Lawrence Kraus.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
lematra looks like harry potter. Sorry that is nothing to do with anything, but i had to put it out there.
Ender0410 1 year ago
The Stephen Hawking Universe video contains a typical fallacy of atheism, they use the starting premise “the Science is based on natural laws” and they finished accepting a metaphysical statement “the universe come from an infinite causal chain”. In deep the problem is: if universe is coming from an infinite causal chain, then, it is not impossible deny to God or any creator else…think about please. I think the atheism is just a religion based on denying of God…
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@Leivinn20 Atheism is only a religion if not collecting stamps is a hobby :-)
vibhutesagar 1 year ago 40
@vibhutesagar : The atheism is not a religion based on man who play a role of god, this is its greatest dogma. They believe the moral is relative, therefore, each one can to decide what "moral" means, this is dogma else...
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar Excuse me for my mistake: I mean, "The atheism IS a religion based on man who play a role of god, this is its greatest dogma..."
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@Leivinn20 I consider myself an atheist and many of my friends are too. We don't need to 'deny' God because we simply don't consider the notion of God, any sort of a God.
vibhutesagar 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar : It is impossible for any person states God is only a notion because the starting premise which says our thoughts are determined by brain particles according natural laws is unacceptable from scientific method viewpoint. God is a scientific need. The atheism exists and is a religion based on persons.
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@Leivinn20 Alright have a nice day :)
vibhutesagar 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar : have a nice day too.
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar ownage!!
novatrek 1 year ago
@novatrek Heh thanks! :D
vibhutesagar 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar very well put, I LOVE not to collect stamps
vladbcom 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar what! you dont collect stamps?! well I dont collect coins, DIE!
letsgowings735 1 year ago
@letsgowings735 Oh YEA, I don't collect beanie baby's. Take that both of you. Also, If you don't believe in my non collection as best, it will command me to commit atrocities, and genocide to all of mankind. Make it easy on yourself, just believe!
_Mafia boss, beanie daddy
pumpstations 1 year ago
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lilsm555 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar Atheist is not a ism and its not a religion a religious group happens to be a cult.
lilsm555 1 year ago
@vibhutesagar i do not appreciate your comment, its rather ignorant than "intelligent". Do not discriminate against other's belief just because they shitted your mind with religion
diegoimcool 7 months ago
God doesnt like since. Thats why he kicked us from heaven for eating that tree :))
flavius22 1 year ago
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andrew49848 1 year ago
good.
andrew49848 1 year ago
My religion already told me that the origin of the material of the universe is from one solid material and it is expanding. The science explain but has its limit. Both religion and science is side by side.
weki5000 1 year ago
@weki5000 religion is bullshit.
EyesOfTheSouthSTi 1 year ago
@EyesOfTheSouthSTi not sciencetology. its about proff. thats why i dig it. can you dig it..
andrew49848 1 year ago
@andrew49848 ........ haha you are really trolling hard.
EyesOfTheSouthSTi 1 year ago
@EyesOfTheSouthSTi im a hurment...an humbul hurmit
andrew49848 1 year ago
@weki5000 I don't believe there is any need for humans to be religious. I think people only believe in a particular religion as they don't know what else could have created life and it gives them comfort of mind. In my opinion, it's just a fall back.
levandoski2010 1 year ago 24
@levandoski2010 Agreed.
tomissorry 1 year ago
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@levandoski2010 : The Stephen Hawking Universe video contains a typical fallacy of atheism, they use the starting premise “the Science is based on natural laws” and they finished accepting a metaphysical statement “the universe come from an infinite causal chain”. In deep the problem is: if universe is coming from an infinite causal chain, then, it is not impossible deny existence God or any creator else…think about please. I think the atheism is just a religion based on denying of God…
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@levandoski2010 Around 99% of Science is only a theory, sure there is more of a conviencing arguement towards science, however we're just as unsure as religon is real as we are with Science. Until both sciencists and religonists learn to respect each other's arguements, we'll never be able to anwser these huge questions.
herojob 10 months ago
@herojob Nonsense. Science is based on observational evidence and experimental verification. Religion is based on imposed dogma and the systematic silencing of debate.
As such, the two are nowhere near to being equal. That would be like making the claim that a witch doctor is equal to a modern surgeon, with the difference between the two merely being a difference of opinion or style.
In truth, one is a complete fraud and the other is firmly rooted in reality. So too with religion and science.
GluttonForSex 9 months ago
@GluttonForSex Your argument is convincing and what you've said is true, however I'm not trying to relate or damage an-others crediblity (despite some of my original post being towards that) I'm just saying that both parties should respect each others views and take into account their perspective of the Universe, however if you think my complete view is "bull" then I'll use evidence from this documentary; a creationist thought up The Big Bang Theory;no more room
herojob 9 months ago
@herojob Tell me, why should we respect views that once led directly to holy wars, mass-murders, witch burnings, inquisitions, ex-communications, etc?
You'll likely answer these are things which are in the past. But they are in the past precisely because secular forces ceased "respecting" religion, and uncompromisingly demanded it adapted to the modern ages.
I'd argue that religion deserves no respect at all, because 1) it offers no respect at all, and 2) it offers no evidence at all.
GluttonForSex 9 months ago
@GluttonForSex You are now the one talking about the past, sure Religion has caused a number of wars etc that I agree, however religion has played a vital role in the history of the Human Race without it we wouldn't be here today. Question 1) A common misconception for example Darwin's theory of evolution, I bet you've heard of the controversy about evolution and the catholic church, however the Church respected and didn't mind the theory....
herojob 9 months ago
@herojob I'd also argue that humanity got where it it stands today despite of religion, and certainly not because of it.
GluttonForSex 9 months ago
@GluttonForSex Your argument is vaild and I completely understand your view and I respect that, everyone has different perspectives of Religion and Science and you're intilted to it, to some extent it's healthy to have some other outlook on the entire scenario however without respect for someone elses outlook is wrong, and I think your arguement shouldn't even be thought of.
herojob 9 months ago
@herojob Apples & oranges.
You're right that intolerance of other views can lead to persecution and violence. The history of religion is replete with such examples, the inquisition and holy wars being among the most notorious. On the other hand, atheism's "intolerance" never seems to lead to those types of systematic violence or prosecution, let alone on such scales.
The two may seem similar in principle, but their consequences are vastly different. That is something to acutely be aware of.
GluttonForSex 9 months ago
@GluttonForSex Though religion has caused horrible things in the past, Atheism has done things just as bad, All communist regimes are practically atheist, The USSR, banned religion killed anyone who followed religion, and were responsible for millions of deaths. The Nazi's believed that the Arian race had evolved past every other people group, and the jews, and other people groups were lower then they were and murdered thousands of then by shoving them into gas chambers or burning them aliv
jewl131 8 months ago
@jewl131 Apples & oranges. But they're even bigger this time.
Atheism is a man-made concept. Therefore, it is understandable that mistakes are made in its name for we humans have to learn matters through trial & error. Religion, on the other hand, casts itself as a source of truth passed down from some ultimate being.
Yet in practice, we find that religion is prone to the precise same mistakes as human-based philosophies. This makes it painfully obvious religion is entirely man-made as well.
GluttonForSex 8 months ago
@jewl131 As an aside, Hitler was a Roman-Catholic. Moreover, no Nazis have ever been ex-communicated by the church for their crimes. None. Ever.
GluttonForSex 8 months ago
@jewl131
Those things are not BECAUSE of Atheism. The actual belief is not what caused them to happen. They occured because people change things to match their beliefs. USSR killed those people to match their beliefs. It is not the core concept that did that. Religions are the same. Terrorists kill people so that others believe the things they do. Islam is not wrong because of that. The concepts stay the same, but their conditions change.
newtownlegends 7 months ago
@GluttonForSex they didn't mind that we evolved from a species of primates as long as they we purposely created by a higher being, also the current situation with the church and science is fine, the church respects science and it's research, what your saying isn't taking into account "evidence" 2nd) It doesn't as Religion involves "believing" it doesn't have to have evidence just like some well respected science hypotheses
herojob 9 months ago
@herojob I'll refer you to the 2nd paragraph of my last post.
Galileo Galilei would likely have disagreed somewhat with your assertion that the Church "respects" science.
GluttonForSex 9 months ago
@levandoski2010 I agree,People have been brainwashed by the myths/stories of various religions for thousands of years.Now-a-days,at a very young age ie:"Catholics". They are told there is an invisible being up there looking down at them all the time! Yet,this invisible being gives them,deseases,hunger,famine,wars,kills kids with cancer on a daily basis...BUT LOVES THEM! Time for sane people to wake up and look at science for answers.
kodiak1966 10 months ago
Science is the best thing we have achieved as a species.
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ivylsp 1 year ago
Stephen Knows of my Painting TDV it was sent to him many years ago,he liked it.
THE SPLIT SECOND BEFORE THE BIG BANG........See Charles saatchi art ,search Artist Andy Powell (Look for Baloon shaped Painting)
artistandypowell 1 year ago
Hawkings is a pimp, I bet he gets all the ladies.
lexmark136 1 year ago
Stephen Hawking doesn't deserve his paralysis.
boboletzu 1 year ago
fuk off wid da religious bullshit no1 cares about religion wot the fuk has that got to do with how we got here u pieces of fuck
Fabian2K9 1 year ago
too slow and gloomy - hit the brightness button
PigsCanFly99 1 year ago
the music is calming. reminds me of a younger time in my life
radgemasterben 1 year ago
For a large part of Human history it was "proven scientific fact" that the Earth was flat. People are not as smart as they claim. Things are "fact' only so long as a new theory hasn't come along to take the old ones place.
SauceCaptain 1 year ago
@SauceCaptain You moron. The scientific method did not exist when people thought the earth was flat. It was during the dark ages when religion ruled that people thought the earth was flat because they just guessed and the catholic church would burn you at the stakes if you disagreed. This was the horrible reality of the Dark Ages. All religion has brought us is suppression and the Dark Ages.
soldersucker 1 year ago
@soldersucker And religion got us out of the Dark Ages... After the roman empire crumbled, the Catholic church rebuilded Europe and promoted monks to find scientific proof that their God exists. I do not defend the church for what they did though.
godlosme 1 year ago
@SauceCaptain Moron. Read the comment above yours.
bojoben 1 year ago
@SauceCaptain
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Do a Google search for "The Relativity of Wrong". Isaac Asimov addresses your particular misconception more eloquently than I can on YT in 500 chars or less.
sbergman27 1 year ago
@sbergman27 It was not proven scientific fact, it was observational assumptions backed by religious conotations. Not presise mathematical evidence. Get your facts straight.
Haseeebo 1 year ago
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@Haseeebo
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It was not proven scientific fact, it was observational assumptions backed by religious conotations. Not presise mathematical evidence. Get your facts straight.
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Please specify what you are objecting to. And from which post.
sbergman27 1 year ago
we are all creations there is no doubt about that and about heaven no scientest will ever find it until he sees it for him self when he dies and to logically prove heaven and hell when you are in your mothers stomach you do not now what to expect from this world it is rather something beyond your reach when you are a child and born into this world so it is the same when you die
Sistanifollower786 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 The difference is goofy, we're not looking for heaven.....DUH!!!
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 Perhaps when you die and go to heaven, there will be a school there to teach you how to spell, use standard grammar, break your posts up into sentences with a capital letter at the beginning, and a suitable punctuation mark at the end. If your heaven has levels, then perhaps in the second one you can learn about paragraphs. And then, perhaps, you can come back as a ghost, and people might be able to decipher what you are trying to blabber about your religious hallucinations.
sbergman27 1 year ago
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I am quite puzzled of all beings existing come from one cell and that we came in to being by accident, so that means we come from nothing and will go to nothing and if we kill 100's of human beings and die our self then will there not be any justice done for some one killing 100 humans so i seem to understand we can kill for fun and when we die it is ok
Sistanifollower786 1 year ago
I am quite puzzled of all beings existing come from one cell and that we came in to being by accident, so that means we come from nothing and will go to nothing and if we kill 100's of human beings and die our self then will there not be any justice done for some one killing 100 humans so i seem to understand we can kill for fun and when we die it is ok
Sistanifollower786 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 hahaha thats fucking stupid
just because they try and prove there is no god, and the real occurance that created earth... doesnt mean its ok to kill people, just because theres no vengful god, doesnt meant its ok to kill people..
briantheman890 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 Utterly ridiculous argument. It is an illuminating insight into the Christian mindset when people use this argument. I am not saying I know whether there is a 'god' or not, I cannot prove it either way. But Insisting that just because you see it as "OK" to kill 100 people in a Universe without a 'god' does not mean that I do. Hence the problem with Christianity, you do not realise that morality, while arguably an important part of religion, is not held solely by Christians.
camshanks 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 people can do and be good without a God. And not just because they have to.
And anyway, it doesn't matter whether it is puzzling or not, it is fact. And whatever your belief system may be, it has to incorporate facts, not vice versa.
camshanks 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 so what happens when dogs die or alligators? do they go to heaven. what about dinosours? dinosuars killed dinosaurs. spiders kill spiders. humans kill humans. the connection is- we are all animals made up of the same 20 amino acids that makes up dna, that is fact. what is not fact is that there is a heaven. there logically cannot be. science hasnt found it yet. when we die its over, nothig happens so celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing while you can!
MrJackclarke 1 year ago
@Sistanifollower786 yes, you will be put in jail or executed and your family will live in shame.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
I am quite puzzled of all beings existing come from one cell and that we came in to being by accident, so that means we come from nothing and will go to nothing and if we kill 100's of human beings and die our self then will there not be any justice done for some one killing 100 humans so i seem to understand we can kill for fun and when we die it is ok
Sistanifollower786 1 year ago
from nothing. (all this was directed to CoolParkourName)
SaintHendrix 1 year ago
speed of light), but this is also a paradox that can be explained: space-time is NOT a particle, so with the matter.. space-time was carrying it at an unimaginable speed. So... how can his theory exist at a time when the basic laws of physics didn't fully exist? The BIGGEST problem with the Big Bang theory is the fact that matter came from nothing, which is contrary to the Conservation of Mass theory, which doesn't quite require the laws of physics, but simply the existence of anything coming
SaintHendrix 1 year ago
The theory of E = MC2 couldn't take into effect affect at that time because space-time and the four forces didn't quite exist yet. The four forces (Gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, and strong nuclear force) were all one force before the universe was created. When the universe started (which was a tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of a second) space-time expanded faster than the speed of light (which also contradicts Einstein's theory than nothing can travel faster than the speed of
SaintHendrix 1 year ago
I find the big bang theory very unlikely because if e=mc2 then the universe could never exist as a singularity because it wouldnt be stable (the singularity exploded alegedly) unless time (c) stood still but there wouldnt be any energy for time to start itsself because e=mc2 therefore, with no time there would be no energy to start time, unless e=mc2 is wrong... its like saying that you and me both exist in the exact same space, impossible... the theory is based on a paradox.
CoolParkourName 1 year ago
I think religion and science can never be as close as they say.
Maybe spirituality and science, but surely not religion.
Religion is a bunch of ppl that say "ok we know what god wants u to do, so u do what we tell u" i can't immagine anything more stupid than that.
tugunt 1 year ago
Stephen Hawking lost his credibility by telling everyone that humans will be enslaved by aliens. Dumbass.
Boss5414 1 year ago
@Boss5414 He's smarter than you'll ever be.
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
@Boss5414
And I suppose you have any hard evidence to claim that any alien life form will be altruistic in nature and treat us with respect.
Besides, he didn't claim that humans WILL be enslaved by aliens, but that the POSSIBILITY exists, and thus, our search for extraterrestrial life might pose a great risk and danger to us.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me. It's a gamble where no one can predict the outcome.
porcorosso81 1 year ago