I dont feel the right man got the award, a symbol my mother always confuses asians, not hard to see the differences the'yre the good ones to kung-fu..
But no matter how high the relationship with those african nations is, China should not abuse it in order to cut down certain peoples freedom. I hope China simply will respect that not every man is belong to them, even if it is directly affecting them. And i dont know if the CIA accusations regarding Liu is granted for sure, China might need to show a solid proof of it, not only words... words is something China is always using toward theyr advantage and we all know what.
@Xenrageful, when it comes to the sense of "Right" & "Wrong", or nation/people SHOULD do this or that, where do you draw the principles? What's your believe system? I realy can't tell from your posting. You seem have none but you own interest. Look at what you said:"words is something China is always using toward theyr advantage and we all know what", sounds as if you/West never use words toward your advantage? You seems have a habit to accuse others at will without looking back to yourself.
Nowadays China is using it to "fight" the US with, since they try to shorten they output which will make other nations sick. However, many little nations are much more friendly towards Chinas interest and its probably not good to go against all those countrys because, even China can need some friendship. Ofc China was buying Airbus and not Boing, since Airbus is the better choice for them as long as it isnt US.. even if France was welcoming Dalai Lama, they simply had to accept it.
@Xenrageful, the world run by the West for the past 500 years has NOT been a fair world; it only benefits a dozen European nations & put the rest of the world in the hell. Unless you admit this, you have no business to point finger at China. We fell from the richest nations to the poorest nation in the world because of what the West did. The worst thing is: the unfair action still going on, at the moment, there is 1 country who prints PAPER to gain the real goods from the world.Can you see that?
It have to be said clearly, many nations, with US on top of it, truly was abusing africa for theyr own need without giving back any real value, they just was robbing it, and thats simply a fact. Now China wants theyr ores, but as long as they give back real value and stuff they truly need, its probably the fairest deal they ever got. In Mongolia there is the highest amount of those "rare earths" so its a very valuable country for China and they know what.
@Xenrageful, if you admit that "many nations, with US on top of it truly was abusing Afria for their onw need without giving back any real value", then, these nation SHOULD stop their wrong doing before they accuse China. The so called "rare earths" is a none issue, for the world has plenty to go around, US is 1 of the nations who has richest deposit. This is a issue made up by the West, in attempting to empty-up China's resourses. Of course Chine would "fight back", & now you are unhappy. Why?
China got the possibility, in term they succeed to advance human value, to be a true supermacy and to be respected by any nation in a high term which goes beyond materialism and its interest. However, in the current time most nations only love China for they strong economy and the advantage they can make out of it. Many african country need chinese products, and China want theyr ores... easy as that but it works.
To much stuff to answer it all. What i see very often is that there is truly a high abhorrence against US from a large amount of chinese and probably reverse order awell. However, China might forget, not the whole world is US, such as my country where i live, and even those got in mind that China could be more open minded to the other nations, more diplomacy and giving more human rights. How they want to achieve that, surely is up to them. Democracy is just one of many possible solutions.
@Xenrageful, 1st of all, I want you to hear 1 thing from a real Chinese: "China does NOT want to be a supremacy"; it is NOT your leaders & doesn't need your consensus or earn your respects, so please stop telling China what to do, OK? In your Western mind one either to be the leader or the follower; if one can’t lead, then one must follow.China is a nation who wants to be NEITHER.We do NOT want lead & we do NOT want follow; we want to be FREE, free from any bondage signed by others. Understand?
I dont understand why America, EU, NATO and such, that they dont call this Liu Xiaobo for a terrorist.. They call Abdullah Öcalan for a terrorist, why dont they call Liu Xiaobo for a terrorist... He is fighting against a system in a country isnt he a terrorist and China democratic.. This double standard morale of the west it reflect the racist white man, all these racist have uited in almost every country against 'the poor'.. I know some people like this Liu Xiaobo doesnt care bout POOR people..
but some people DOES care about them.. Else people like us would have been whiped in public, the germans would have had their slaves, the christians their children, and the jews religion would have been the greatest religion, araps maraps would have all read in the Torah.. Im telling you, some people have disqualified themselves from the brotherhood, even with a few these faschist are nothing, their heads would have been cut balded.. Thats their nature, thats how they oughta be treated. This
@Hancerlioglu, I mention US’s dark past not because I couldn’t forgive, it is because the US still does the same trick. In US’s media, including textbooks, whenever mentioning the history of US major internal conflicts/problems, always gives the reader the impression that all these conflicts were resolved “Internally”, whether by civil war or strike, or demonstration on the street. In fact, it is far from the truth. Every single US major internal conflict was resolve “Externally”.
When US worker had over-production, it was the China’s door was kicked broken, after that US could offered public Ed; when there was the Great Depression, it was the WW2 simulate the economy, as a consequence US became the #1 economy; when the black asked for equal pay & equal opportunity led by M.L King, what did the US do? US disconnected its gold with the $, the $ become worthless paper, & US put the whole world at its gunpoint to trade oil by using $ only.
Because oil is a necessity commodity for any country who want to be industrialized & US wouldn’t give its paper $ for free, so everyone has to sell their goods to US to obtain $ to buy oil. When those $ reach those oil rich country, US asks them to invest their $ to US, & then magically making these $ as loans to lend to poor countries for interests! If you google US GDP history, you can see there is a hike starts from 1970, for more 30 yrs, US are getting richer & richer by print paper money!
Not only the oil money/or called petro dollar, US move its low end industries to China & other developing country, use their resources & cheap labors, buy their good with paper money. However, these countries can’t use these $ to buy US goods, they were forced to lend them back to US by buying US gov. bones & invested in US banks. Then, US would play game with the exchange interest rate, a few ups & downs, the value of the money get shrink, these countries would end up with peanuts.
Beside oil & Exchange rate, the 3rd way US wipes out other’s money is to make economic bubbles, usually in stock & housing markets. Before the bubbles start, US’d ask the perspective country to open its currency market, so foreign currency can be exchanged freely; when bubbles start bursting, US’d asked that country’s gov. no intervention-”you should let the market decide & run its course.” Then, US quickly get its profit & exchange them to $ before that country’s economy collapsed.
Many countries’ wealth was wiped out by US’s bubble tricks; include Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Russia, S. Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, & Pilipino. Of course, the whole world saw what the US gov. did when its own housing bubbles burst--immediate gov. intervention. So, US’s rich & prosper have nothing to do with democracy, human rights or freedom fighting. How long do you think US can continue play these tricks before it run out luck?
Politically conflict/problem such as civil war was heavily influenced by Russian; even the Independent War could not be won without France’s support. Economically, whenever US have internal conflicts/problems, US would transfer its problems to other people: when the rich white man got too many land, they enslave the black to work for them; after the independent, when the poor white needed the land promised by the rich white, it was the Native paid the price.
@Hancerlioglu, Liu is a racist in reverse discrimination. The US viewed Chinese people a race of natural inferior, he followered by saying that China needed to be colonized by the West for 300 years before China could become civilized. Why didn't he see the example of India whom colonized by the Great Britian? People in China give this kind of people the name "Western's Parrot". He is very unpopular. He is too offencive.
The chinese people must identify people like Liu who obviously is plodding the downfall of the chinese people under pretext of free speech etc. He is brain washed by the West. Such a pity a brilliant mind gone to waste! Better to sacrifice him and save the Chinese nation. Simple as that.
I hope China will make Norway apologise for their stupid decision.
So, China isnt all that innocent, they have to admit own failures too. They aswell try to "abuse" the situations toward own advantage. Since China is able to build for very cheap in a extremely high amount, which is theyr greatest strenght. So, its important to respect original products aswell who always was being build in max quality and wasnt here to be "cheap".
@Xenrageful, we never want to build cheap thing for anybody, in a matter of fact, we are so sick & tired of it. All these cheap products use China's resources just to support the West's wasteful life style. It also pollute our environment. The West enjoy the cheap good & love to see China's resources are used up; at meantime, accuse China "abuse" the situation by producing too cheap product. In your culture, do you have a concept named "shame"?
Something which is actually a big issue in many countrys is when China is copying just about everything else, is starts at watches and ends at japanese katanas, as good as everything is being copyed, mostly in a pretty poor quality. Its a big issue since the countrys who want to produce in highest quality will lose a lot of money and therefore its weakening theyr economy.
@Xenrageful, "China is copying just about everything else", yes will copy everything we can, because that how human learn. Human copy each others, that how civilizations were build. The West copied our inventions, did you?
China just cant control everything, and the US nowadays in fact got its revenge for dealing as they did in the past. Putting to much production dependency on China and trying to abuse China for theyr own needs, nowadays we all will have to pay the price. China certainly will try to get the own control back, but its as i said, the current way the use is just not right, not for humanity nor diplomacy.
China was threatening almost any county where Dalai Lama is setting his foots on it . But is that the way how you show supremacy? Do you think other country love you for that? He is a free man able to go wherever he wants to go, and those countrys arnt China, so they are free to let him inside without having China knocking at theyr doors and teling them to lock the door else we will punish...
Why the war of south africa is coming to Peking? Well, South Africa, such as almost any nation is affected by materialism, and China got what they need. Not for free, China certainly wants something back. South Africa even had to avoid Dalai Lama because China said so, which just isnt nice.
@Xenrageful, "South Africa even had to avoid Dalai Lama because China said so, which just isnt nice", so US occupying 40 Inidan nations is nice? Why do you get so upset whenever China stands up for her best interests? Do we slave anyone? Do we racial discriminate anyone? Do we wipe out any native's 90% population? Do we put other countrie at our gun point to force them to buy our goods? Do we print paper money to exchange everyone's goods? What is your guide when talking about good & Bad?
I do not think that America is that nice as it seems to be and i do fully understand that China and lot more nations are actually upset about them. However, for sure i can say theyr citizens do have a lot of freedom and i know a lot of friendly american people, unfortunately i know almost no chinese people, its hard to get access to them in order to see another ones view. But even, politics is hot stuff and they rather like to avoid it.
@Xenrageful,"for sure i can say theyr citizens do have a lot of freedom", that the point, their freedom is at our expenses, they have had too many "freedom" so we don't. It is important to see HOW to get freedom, not just HAVE it. If a man, whenever he needs money, he would rob his neighbors, yes he has a decent life, but that’s not an honest way to make a living. I am a Chinese & quite typical. It is difficult to talk about politic with Westerners in person, because it is confrontational.
Economy certainly was the key in order to get power. Nowadays in a world full of materialism who everyone just want money, and is taking the planets very last ressources, it just is fitting perfect. However, if anyone else wants to live inside a temple without much materialism, dont they have the right to do so? The whole system surely is questionable because its not sustainable and providing lot of dirt.
@Xenrageful, do you have problems with materialism? or taking the planets very last ressources? or getting power through ecnonomic means? or not sustainable sys providing lots of dirt? Look at mirror.
@Hancerlioglu, @Xenrageful, let me share with you another information which clearly tells how US got rich. In 1900, 8 Western nations including US invaded China. They broken our house, killed our men, raped our women & robbed tens of thousands priceless treasure from our palace. Why??? In a speech by Chauncey M. Depew, New York Senator and high political and financial power of his day, in seconding the nomination o f Theodore Roosevelt of the Vice-Presidency of the United States
at the Republican National Convention of 1900, when he stated in part: “What is the tendency of the future? Why this war in South Africa? Why this hammering at the gated of Peking? Why this marching of troops from Asia to Africa? Why these parades of people from other empires to other lands? It is because the surplus productions of the civilized countries of modern times are greater than civilization can consume. It is because this overproduction goes back to stagnation and poverty.
The American people now produce 2000 million$’ worth more than we can consume, and we have met the emergency; and by the valor of Roosevelt and his associates, we have our market in the Philippines, and we stand in the presence of 800 millions of people, with the Pacific as an American lake... ”
According to the information below, we can clearly see that American workers worked very hard, they were very productive, but that did not make them become rich, actually that made them very poor, because unless someone were willing to buy their over-produced goods, they would have nothing. So, their gov. gave them a helping hand by waging war on innocent Chinese, bying killing, robbing, raping, with Chinese’s tear, blood & flesh, American works goods got sold, now they got rich.
And just to make sure, the CIA did NOT pay Liu to go against China. I have no clue who else was spreading that message, it was probably chinese goverment as usual. Half of theyr media is a lie, sorry to say, so its hard to believe them because they would say just about anything else which is going toward theyr own mind, sadly.
@Xenrageful, Liu is paid by a US foundation, an umbrella org. of CIA. In US, there were many these kinds of NGOs. I'm in US, Americans get their ed for half truth all the time. You'd not know US had racial dicrimitaion against China if I haven't told you. Do you know US has printed paper money to wipe out the world's wealth?
Besides, one of the biggest internal issue of China is the income inequality. Some people always leave some food uneaten, so they show others how rich they are, while others even die because of hunger. This is a general world issue but China is on top of it.
@Xenrageful, "biggest internal issue of China is the income inequality", if you truely care about this, let the US companies pay the equal wage to Chinese workers as they''s pay to US worker. If US stop printing paper money to wipe out the world, I am sure the world'd have much less hunger.
Im saying that those freedom-fighters I mentioned couldnt be machines so to speak.. They were humans with feelings, without them the west would have been dark like pest.. Im talking about the 18 th century here, were normal people began to read in the west.. Some things happened back then, but the evil, racist, fashism the destroying force were always in their goverment.. They should have had a zar, maybe things would have been solved a bit quicker, and its 2010 today.. whats the difference from
70 years ago and today.. I mean, look at the americans.. You say I didnt develop and progsess but I mean it look at them.... Im saying that these racists are taking the credits for what decent socialist, members of the bortherhood has done.. It was socialists who letted us in to Europe, not these racist bastards, is it them I owe my loyalty.. White communists say me as a brother because im a Kurd, but I was young and naive.. I didnt understand them fully, I was afraid I guess, for fighting......
@Hancerlioglu, well, as nations, the West/US have being the threat to our Chinese's survival, they can beat, rape, rob & kill just because whom we were born with. And whenever they force themselve on our land, they'd claim that they represented their nation & people. Maybe if there is not nations in West'US, only the land & people, they would be less demaging. US has using printed paper money to wipe out the world's wealth since 70s when it disconnected $ with gold. Do you know about that?
@Hancerlioglu, freedom fighters? search Chinese American history on Wikipedia, one can find that US had a long history & sizable list of racial discrimination against Chinese people.One of them is the case “The people vs. Hall” in 1854, when a Chinese work was murdered, and there were no white witnesses but only Chinese witnesses, the California Supreme Court refuse accept the Chinese witness based on racial reason. From then on, it was almost impossible to prosecute anyone who killed Chinese.
@Hancerlioglu,the California Supreme Ct ruled that Chinese was “a race of people whom nature has marked as inferior, and who are incarpable of progress or intellectual development beyond a certain point, as their history has shown; differing in language, opinions, color, and physical conformation; between whom and ourselves nature has placed an impassable difference" and as such had no right " to swear away the life of a citizen" or participate" with us in administering the affairs of our gov.
@Hancerlioglu, in 1854, Tibet was already part of China. China was at peace with India & Japan. It was only when the West force itself into our land, the area has become a unrest zone. China never wants a piece of land, nor an oz of gold from US, but US was a nation who was capable to hate & against an entire race who never intend to do any harm to US. Yes, US forefathers were freedom fighters, they could free to sale drugs to us & kill; they had too many freedom, so we did not have any.
@Hancerlioglu, "All the others are in one short word, dogs.. I'd eat them raw..", I am sure that's what you'd do if there's a chance, you haven't changed or progressed. I am very dissappointed to find that out. But,you DON'T have that freedom any more, we will do whatever it take to make usre you don't have that freedom, & Tibet issue is one of our effordd. However, you still have the freedom to give back the 40 India nations their land & sovereignty. Please use your freedom wisely.
Talking to some of you is like talking to a machine talking.. There is a word that says one should clean up in front of their own door first.. America says its forefighter for democracy so says all the neo-nazi. And it was their fore-fathers who gave democracy to themselves.. A neo-nazis grand-father.. You evil people.. Who DID build up the modern western countries, what was it. They were fore-fighters for Human Rights, for freedom of speech.. And look at it now, one moment away, and look at it.
So what is a good leader having in my view? Humanity, likeability, wisdom, some humour and compassion. Most of the politicians are in fact very dry and i wouldnt want to meet them. But yes, i do want to meet Liu or Dalai Lama, i wish more people would be like them. They got theyr award with a clear reason which i can fully understand.
@Xenrageful, Tibetan issue is ver simple, if they want stay, they stay & be treated as everyone else. If they are not happy, then leave. What's wrong with that? They can be "human" anywhere in the world, can't they? If you don't like to meet Chinese leaders, no one ask you to, they are not YOUR leaders. Liu is very unpopular in China especially knowing he is on the payroll of an umbrella org. of CIA. I can tell you are very upset with China, which not surprise me. We've gotten used to it.
@Xenrageful, you seems have an idea that China’s very exist is to please you, I think you should change that mentality.You ask China to do things no other Western nations would ever do-cut land. For example, US presents still occupies 40 Indian nations.I hear this from US tv. The Indians never consider themselves parts of US (as you wished), & their nation status were ratified by US Congress long time ago.You would make more sense if you ask US to be cut in 41 pieces before you accuse China.
Still, only a matter of time till peoples such as Liu will put a change into China. Seriously, anyone think Chinas current leader is a wise person? Anyone ever heard a wise speech? Judge yourself who else should be your leader. For myself, my opinion is clearly, tibets leader is a special person, and Liu got great potential too, sadly i heard very few from him. One is for sure, i wouidnt drink a tea together with the current chinese leader, i would feel pretty scared.. and unpleasant.
Autonomy is a hostile word for China, impossible, democracy and autonomy are words which can easely put someone in jail for lifetime when even speaking about. There is no word which is more worse for them, its shocking.
If the tibetan leader would even put a feet into China, he probably would get jailed, there is absolutly no respect. and there isnt any possible compromise as long as the leaders arnt changing and the way of politics.
And about how the chinese goverment was acting to the leader of Tibet and probably even Mongolia. They just said to "give us the whole country" else we get what is belong to us. They wasnt trying to protect human value, since its no value to them, only theyr country is value.
Then in the media chinese told them that they tried to seek communication with tibetan leader, but that was a lie. They got no interest anymore, since he is considered a "separatist" for seeking a certain autonomy.
Now, because of the greed, lack of diplomacy, and to many internal issues, China currently is in a very unstable condition. Now they try to make it stable by hard dictatorship. However, that is destroying human rights and is a very risky thing in order to keep general happiness. As soon as someone is asking for democracy, its a big criminal and all chinese simply are scared. Any media is getting faked and censored too in order to wash theyr brains toward own direction and view.
And then what is extremely important to make others not revolting is to show them how great you are and that they would be foolish if they dont join you up. But how can you achieve that by what you currently do? They just dont think its any great, so they dont feel like being part of it. So on order to make a more stable China, at first solve your internal problems better.
However, for the current China its not enough, they say "give it all", and why are you even setting your foots in OUR country? Go leave our place, its not anymore your space, your to weak and cant compare to our greatness. No way that can work forever, its hard to keep it stable. They need to show more diplomacy skill, lot more compassion and stop being overly greedy. But its like humans are, the greed never stops.
America was the nation which used something no one should have ever used. Nowadays they changed theyr mentality, and the ones being attacked by America are now even one of theyr biggest friends. China simply is at a time age somewhere at the past in term of diplomacy and humanity skills. Maybe they didnt realize that a lot have changed and that a lot of countrys are aware of theyr faliures in the past. Anyway, yes, China just need its time, i got some trust in changes, but the time unknown is.
Nowadays the new american show lot of compassion to them, they even are using a helicopter in order to make a meeting with santa claus since there is no other way to reach that space, they was leaving the space at its original condition and the few native american left are actually very small. Unlike Tibet/Mongolia which is at least ten millions of native citizens, they need own space and own identity/culture, lot more than native americans even.
And to bring up UK and America is just wrong, thats a totaly different situation. It was a completly different time age and the space was almost empty. However, it is true that the "native americans" got the right to live on theyr original ground and they had a small war. Nowadays they are part of America and theyr old culture is protected pretty good. Some still are living at the original place.
ah yes, i know the reason i wanted to say. Its because the cant find inner peace, so they try to counter that feeling with materialism and show.. sadly.. few compassion. Anyway, China is the worlds "biggest" nation in term of citizens, and they should own a good amount of space, in a PEACEFUL way.
Besides, yes China even trying to get Japan territory and India too. Some side regions are being fighted at the this very moment. Both are having issues with China, sadly. For the isle, i just say that they should share everything and then never look back, since its not sure who else is "owning" it. However, at the current situation most nations are now feed up, its time to show the real China.
Maybe China just understand how they act when the whole rest of the world will tell China to leave because they are taking "the other nations" space. Its ridiculous, you got the right to live there such as we all do at the ground we currently are. You have to respect theyr identity such as we do respect yours, this mentality is very vital to the world. I only agree that China should get some of the cookie because they are very large, but NEVER wipe out another nation.
Again, its theyr native space, theyr whole culture is residing in that space, its history and they will lose a high amount of theyr culture and identity if they lose theyr original country, and no, they cant just go and invade another country that easy, they are simply at the wrong place. Its rly feeding us up to hear how China is talking about other countrys such as it would be theyr own, and saying "they steal our space". Its totaly without any respect nor value for them, but i know the
This is the biggest joke i ever heard. China and keeping up human rights?
If you arnt giving them a fair amount of autonomy you destroy theyr culture, it is beautyful and you can be sure all the other nations except Pakistan will be very mad. Thank you.
@Xenrageful, 1) you should know, when come to run our country, we don't run the way others wanted us to run, we are a independent nation for 5000 years. 2)The West is not the "world", we Chinese are 20% of humanity, I haven't hear anything you have said regarding the best interests of China, all you have said are all about what is good for others. So, you are on the wrong stand here. 3) Who give you the right to decide who behavior in certain way at certian period time? Don' play god please.
Well, its sad but because of such mentality countrys such as India will now build nuclear bombs and rockets. I am sure, we do not need such a input, it got the possibility to make the wonderful planet gone, The planet is the highest value, no nation and nothing can even compare against the blue diamond, the only one in the whole space we know., Its value is a number no one is able to pay, not even China. Repect planet and its nations, is the best way in order to protect earth.
Why should Mongolian and Tibetan leave? They was living there for eternity, and actually no one feelt like they was unhappy, not nearly as much as China currently seems to be. Materialism isnt all they needed nor is it the thing which is providing happiness. Thats theyr place in the world to live there in peace.
But im sure if you ask nicely they might be willing to give away 50% of theyr country, so you can enlarge the path of materialism, maybe all chinese will be happy after.
@Xenrageful, "Mongolian and Tibetan was living there for eternity"? That's the funnest thing from a human rights standing point. Why don't they just be like Americans, leave everyting behind to have a new identity? To practice human rights no need a particular geo location, right? Human can be anywhere to be human, right? If Mongolian & Tibetan don't feel be treated right, they are free to leave, if they are not leave, then they CHOOSE to be unhappy, then they shouldn't complain, right?
Yes sure and next time you will tell India to leave, Taiwan, Japan and finally the whole world can leave to Mars because planet earth is now owned by China.
Its just stupid im sorry. Repect the nations and theyr space. If China got problem with space maybe others can cut space a little, but that doesnt mean that they have to leave. They got the right to have a adequate space on the country they have been living for eternity where they build theyr culture.
@Xenrageful, ha, China never view Indian & Japan hers. You just making things up. Taiwan, yes. Stupid, maybe in your eyes. You country can cut your space a little to those small civilizations which you so value, don't just lip service, DO it. Tibeten & Mogolian don't need any land space to have their human right satisfied, human rights regards human only, not land space. Human can live anywhere to be human, right nor not? They should be come Americans, that' the place to be best human. ha
And the Tibetan was living in Lhasa for thousand of years, why should they all just leave? Do you know how i am calling such a view? Its egoism, not just egoism, its a egoism nearly unbeatable, there isnt truly a word for it. But i have trust in the chinese citizens to make changes which is in the interests of many nations, not only theyr own.
@Xenrageful, "But i have trust in the chinese citizens to make changes which is in the interests of many nations, not only theyr own", any nation & any citizen consider their own nations' best interest first, isn't this the Western ways of dealing with the world? You haven't show any understanding of China's best interest yet. Only thing you show is your own interest, YOU don't not need another strong power, if China fall apart & lose power it is a good thing for YOU. Egoism is best to fit you.
Im not totaly against China, as i said its the worlds nation with most citizens, so they arnt "nonsense" and got a strong economy.
However, China have to deal with theyr needs much more subtle and gentle, they cant just act the way the do. Lets say i am the chinese leader, i would have told to the leader of the other 2 nations that they should give away 50% of theyr country, and the rest is fully autonom to them.
Besides im not sure about the 99% number, no matter where you ask and who you ask, as long as it is a chinese, the chance is very high that they might just answer with the words "no comment". Can Norway welcome Liu? Is the door truly open?
Strong unity isnt a bad thing, but if that is the only way to perform strong unity, i feel sadness. And most important: : Respect other civilizations, it will be a mirror getting back to you. Its never to late and im sure China will change soon.
@Xenrageful, "no comment" is a polite way to say no. If you know a little about US history, the only way US was abble to keep its unity was the civil war, not democracy. Your "dictatorship" accusation of China's behavior is not very convencing. To convence others, you have to show your understanding of them & you have their best interets in mind, not yours.
But thats exactly the point, China (mainly goverment) isnt respecting human rights nor do they value another small civilization which is standing in theyr way of "expansion". Thats wrong mentality, Tibetan, Mongolian and much more, are valuable nations and can even be part of China, but only after you was greeting them with lot of respect and always try to find a way which works for both. Its the hardest thing ever, but its the only way which can be rock solid.
@Xenrageful, ha, Tibetans & Mongolians can leave if they are not happy, let them go to your country, "greeting them with lot of respect and always try to find a way which works for both"; then you give them these small civilizations "a good amount of autonomy". That's the best way to show your true compassion, spend you energy on changing yourself, rather than change others. China will not change, we are too old, it is very difficult to train old dog for new tricks. ha
and they leader is a criminal such as Liu.. which aswell just had to be a human, follwing the goverments words, and nothing else. He truly did dare not to follow.. so he got punished, actually he can be happy to be still alive, not sure he ever get his freedom back. Im sorry, i cant feel happy for that... because im a human, not a Tibetan nor a Chinese so it actually isnt hitting me, its just because i feel compassion. And as more as you try to force, as harder to force! Be aware.
@Xenrageful, " because im a human, not a Tibetan nor a Chinese so it actually isnt hitting me, its just because i feel compassion. And as more as you try to force, as harder to force! Be aware", well, we are not forcing you anyting, you can be whatever you want, but rember, how we run our country do not need anybody's approvel, including you.
I surely can say, i checked theyr leaders in and out and i never ever meet a more peaceful person with so much of wisdom such as theyr leader. If China truly would want to work with theyr leader, im sure a good solution can be done for BOTH sides and not just for China. But who knows.. maybe China is short before a change, the hope is never lost. Liu Xiaobo thanks for your relentless courage to spell out something no other chinese would ever spell out, because of fear. You are a hero!
And the Dalai Lama is still theyr leader and not a criminal. The first thing the chinese people have to realize is, that not everything can just be done by brute force. Sometimes they have to find a huge compromise, which isnt necessarely toward theyr mind but it might be able to provide happiness and therefor a more stable China. Hate and war can never be the answer, and not everything can always go 90% the way China like it, maybe only 50%, still better than risking a fatal break. in humanity
@Xenrageful, you are under the influence of big China, it is too bad you don't like the way it treats you, we don't know any other ways, because we treat everyone the same way, we can't just give you the special treatment, Tibetans are nothing special. Why don't you move to country whom you can identify with, for example move to US & ask Americans for "a good amount of autonomy". US soil can support 500ml people, it is now only 300ml, there are room for the entire Tibetan population.
I am not directly under the influence of China, im in a peaceful country and i do love them for giving me lot of freedom. I dont say that same will work for chinese people, maybe they need some stronger controlls, but NOT,.. absolutly not they way how it is currently done. I know China is having lot of problems, but they wont get lesser by dictatorship, bad reputation and humanity can very quick turn the sails if they arnt trying to find a more balanced way of dealing with.
@Xenrageful, open you peaceful country's door please, let those poor Tibetan move there, so they can be human, they can be human in any peaceful country like yours, they don't have to stay in China, right? We 99.99999%Chinese support our gov., it is OUR country, NOT yours, so whatever your opinnion doen't count, do you understand?
...part o China in a certain way, but not the way the wanted it. Tibet still is having a unique identity and its important to understand theyr needs and wishes and to protect and value theyr rights, and a good amount of autonomy aswell. China cant just treat them the way they currently do, thats just not right, almost any nation is agreeing me on that. China have to act with a lot of compassion and give them enough of autonomy within theyr boarders. How its currently done is not peaceful.
The main issue is, the chinese goverment ( i say goverment, not China, since China is 99.99999% citizens and goverment is above citizens) , well the issue is that China isnt leaving Tibet any kind of self control anymore, not even the smallest bit of autonomy. China even is forcing the Tibetan peoples not to have more than 1 children anymore BUT Tibetan peoples are a very small group in "China" and its NOT right to execute that order on them. China have to realize that Tibet might become
Everybody in this world should boycott China products,coz the Chinese government will earn tax revenue from the exports of China products and will spend the tax revenue on increasing its military strength to invade other countries.So,ensure that u r not 1 of those who help the Chinese gov't become rich enough to invade other countries.
congratulations! this year, Liuxiaobo has obtained the reward of best politic actor of the famous western crusadic politic opera . the other crusadists, try you best to became the No.2 crusadic Liuxiaobo.
Besides, most chinese arnt having access to Youtube since China was banning Youtube in theyr country, so its not like there will be a lot of native chinese at Youtube. And not much of them are even able to see another persons view except the one from theyr own goverment. However, as you know, they are all around the world and there is still enough of them left to be able to comment on this and even to upload such themes. Some might be able to bypass the bann.
Finally, the world doesnt need countrys seeking for endless power, we have had that stuff already in the past decade and it was nothing but causing fear and destruction. This country should finally be a peaceful decade where you show compassion to each others and not "how to expand your power to a world destroying superpower", such a mentality is really very outsdated and is causing nothing but harm in the long term. I wish a happy life for everyone on the wonderful planet earth.
Yet, if they lose something? OFC THEY DO. They lose theyr culture, you was destroying a large amount of temples, you are killing theyr language and unique identity. Are you sure they ever wanted that in exchange for some railroads and cars and stuff which can be causing a lot of dirt in a very sensitive mountain area? I truly say, everyone who thinks that is any good is probably a manipulated chinese. Be true with yourself, all you wanted is unlimtied power.
And about Tibet, the eye of a chinese probably doesnt realize that Tibet got a exaltet reputation with India because of theyr peaceful actions they did toward each others nations. Could China say the same about Tibet? You was mainly causing fear, and you say you want to build up a modern Tibet with railroads, streets and cars and such, but is Tibet truly in need of it? They was peaceful monks and tourism could have been the key to make theyr oconomy flourish. All they needed was a airport..
To look realistic, the only true friend of China is Pakistan. They are aswell the only country in the world able to get the most huge weapons made in china. They may be able to help China against India, which already was getting hurt by Pakistan long time ago. However, that time China have to be scared because India, the democratic country, is no weaky such as all the others. Because of that they are testing nuclear rockets, which is sad but its here to show China not to overstep theyr bounds.
When you ask a random chinese about theyr political view, they look very scared and say "no comment", are you sure that is what you wanted? Its true, China may fall apart and may lose theyr overhelmed countrys drawed into them, such as Mongolia, Tibet and more but that doesnt have to be bad, you simply lose power. Tibet never should have been overhelmed in the first place, they wasnt causing any issue to china. China simply want to expand and get power, anyone against that idea is a criminal.
@Xenrageful, if China "fall apart and lose its powere" doesn't have to a bad thing, then, Tibet "lose theyr culture,a large amount of temples,language and unique identity" are not have to be a bad thing either, you just simply be a human, the world doesn't need "Tibetan"? Losing one's original ID & to be melted is a good thing, isn't that US all about? People come US to loose their orininal ID. So, you Tibetan, have some courage, just to be human is much better for you & the world.
Yes riight, sounds almost like the chinese goverment is directly behind you and is dictating what you have to say. Thats not how it should be. Actually im not sure if any chinese truly feel like a "human", some might feel enslaved, ask Liu about, he lost any freedom, he cant even walk outside anymore. You want to destroy a ancient civilization which was so spiritful for the world, just because you want more space/power. The Tibetan could all die, they are no value to you
@Xenrageful, if you are not a tibetan, then I think the best thing to do is to open your country's door & welcome all the people you think aren't fee like "human", give them the chance to be human; & let the those who don't want to feel like human have their rights to feel however they wish. Country's unity is important to Chinese, we have this way for 2500 years. A strong nation is 99.99999% Chinese want, so, our gov.represent our best interest, you are not. Why should we listen to you?
The Chinese goverment is a hard dictatorship which is doing massive censorship of almost any content and they only use the media to inform theyr chinese about theyr very own view, sometimes going very faw and putting a lot of people, nations and actions in a totaly wrong light. Now they come and say that democracy is bad and that other countrys democracy have failed. No one said it will work perfekt but what currently happens in chinese is just causing hard fear to nearly every single chinese.
In fact, it estimated that a far larger number of 65,000,000 people had been victimized in China, is still existing under the dictatorial political system, and still persecuting minorities and committing human right violations ceaselessly. Chinese government should not suppress free speech in China! The Chinese government promised China will be a free country when the Tiananmen massacre broke out in 1989. Has China fulfilled the promise?
Where injustice is practiced as justice it is the obligation of humans to resist. Liu Xiaobo was sentenced to 9 years prison by an injustice regime because he thought and practiced freedom in China where its government fears democracy and human rights because it would give 1 billion people the power that provinces like Mongolia, Tibet, Hong Kong, etc. will fight for liberation (like Taiwan did) & that would cause the End of the Republic of China. They are just slowing down the inevitable …
@DirkHVM ,Lol ..! the obviouse enevitable is the US down fall ! Free Julian Assange ...Thanks for his revelation of America's evil empire ! Julius Assange should be awarded a nobel peace prize, instead of this criminal liu xiaobo ..who allowed himself to be corrupted by the CIA to go against Chinese gov't.
Are you a Chinese who enjoys the freedom of speech and democracy of CANADA, or are you biased person that cannot think independently due to his heritage & culture? Our discussion here is not about the US & Wikileaks, we are discussing & protecting the privileges that you are enjoying in democratic Canada. The Chinese government is oppressing its people, especially its intellectuals since their knowledge is power. Their censorship & oppression cannot last forever & then China will fall apart!!!
Autocratic regimes fear democracy because they don't like competition. They fear the loss of power and they fear accountability to the people. The CCP fears its own citizens, especially articulate ones like Liu Xiaobo. They do not trust ordinary Chinese choosing their leaders. They think ordinary Chinese are so stupid and irresponsible that only autocratic rule will work in China. They fail to see that democracy has brought stability and growth in neighbouring Japan and South Korea.
5) Russia - After 20 yrs of democratic change, it has one of the most corrupted police state in the Western world. Don't call the police if you get robbed. Chances are you got robbed by the cop, my Russian friend told. Who is really in charge, Putin the Great ?
6) US - I have great respect for President Obama. He is one of the hardest working & productive president in recent time. But now his power is slipping away in the name of democracy.
@paulkaikwonglee Why scrape the bottom of the barrel to find examples of poorly performing 'elected' governments? Why not pick some of the better performing ones for comparison, countries like Japan, Germany, Australia and UK? Why is it that migrants vote with their feet and always make these countries their destination of choice? Why don't these people head for countries like Zimbabwe and North Korea? Might it have something to do with democracy allowing for the removal of bad governments?
@pervertt I appreciate your reminder of good governance under democracy. My 1st stmt is "I embrace democracy", 'cause I believe in it. Democracy can't be forced on a country in a blanket way without reference to its' history & culture. Dr Sun Yat San found the Republic of China in 1911, only to lose control of the country. Gen Jiang Kai Sek was a dictator of Taiwan until his son took over & gradually shifted to democracy. China will become democratic one day as the nation matures & stablized.
@paulkaikwonglee That day can't come soon enough. I agree that democracy cannot flourish under inhospitable conditions - current efforts in Afghanistan I think are doomed to failure. Democracy thrives best with rising living standards and an educated middle class, both of which are fast expanding in modern China. K Galbraith went further - he thought democracy was an inevitable by-product of rising living standards. Could F Fukuyama be right about the end of history?
Let's get one thing straight - the CCP does NOT speak for all Chinese. All that it represents is a handful of insecure and paranoid autocrats who have no moral legitimacy to govern China, much less speak on behalf of its 1.3 billion citizens. Anything that hastens the demise of this dysfunctional and corrupt excuse of a political party can't be a bad thing. Bring on the revolution, I say.
In a perfect world.Democracy is a good thing,But in this fucking degenerate decadent and disgusting western world the first thing you want to do is to reward an asshole whom SCREAM ;;democracy democracy;;.This Goddamn idiot Liu Xiaobo is nothing but an insect.China must prove to the world that no outsiders are to tell them how to run their affairs.LONG LIVE CHINA.[the next super world power]
I didnt want to say to anybody about that in my eyes also amazing idea, but im pushed, and this will hopefully seem the freedom of speach we who are ten year old, are told..
These scandinavians.. They're in court tommorow for letting their police..taking the money for ROJ TV, are we in the heart of the famous scandinavia another victim for their racism. Who the fuck does a pale face think he is. What do the turks, the iranians, the fairy tale arabs think are.. Look at you as people, what is it, do you think you're above H. Chavez.. Mandela.. Apo?
The only good thing that came out of Norway was the so call BLACK METAL................................other than that.you people are living on a fucking fantasy world.You are not aware of what's going on,in the rest of the planet.You people from NORWAY are so Goddamn beautiful,that you make me fucking sick.
@gese5 human rights????.....................Why don't you take a good look at what you Goddamn criminals.EXCUSE ME i meant to say .Americans.And what a HUGE VIOLATION of human rights you committed in the middle east ,at this very moment...............[And ins't a human violation to TRY to tell others not to have their opinions?]
If Liu is not campaigning for capitalism in China, he has my respect. If by freedom he does not understand "freedom for capital to exploit people", he has my rtespect. Unfortunately, I have no respect for Romanian ex-dissidents: I noticed that after 1989 they were a bunch of pro-capitralit scoundrels. They are guilty for the economic catastrophe of today's Romania.
@radurambo if you read more online, he's fighting for human rights and free speech. as many people know nowadays china is sort of like a modern day germany, minus the war. they also have a great firewall.
@rivengle Come on! Nonsense. This is the best regime for China. Do you know other success story in the last 30 years except China? How much was the HDI index 30 years ago and how much is now? This is a government which acts for the majority of those 1290 miilons Chinese. Freedom of speech caused the Cultural Revolution. No way!
"Freedom of speech caused the Cultural Revolution."
And yet the Cultural Revolution destroyed Free Speech. People were labeled as reactionaries for saying things against the communist government; old books, relics and artifacts were destroyed; rich individuals and landowners were tortured and humiliated senselessly.
@rivengle You have a good point. The gap between rich and poor has increased. But I hope that CCP is not penetrated by capitalists. The government thinks in long periods. When have YOU been in China? I was never
The PRC has never claimed to be communist. It is a socialist country. Wen Jiabao claimed in 2007 that the PRC would remain in the 'primary stage' of socialism for another 100 years.
The CP is ruling the PRC because it led the revolution that liberated the people from feudal barbarity. It is a communist party because it strives ultimately to eliminate exploitation and class division, but it does not claim to have done that yet or to even be close to doing it.
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EdenAdvertising 1 month ago
I dont feel the right man got the award, a symbol my mother always confuses asians, not hard to see the differences the'yre the good ones to kung-fu..
Hancerlioglu 10 months ago
But no matter how high the relationship with those african nations is, China should not abuse it in order to cut down certain peoples freedom. I hope China simply will respect that not every man is belong to them, even if it is directly affecting them. And i dont know if the CIA accusations regarding Liu is granted for sure, China might need to show a solid proof of it, not only words... words is something China is always using toward theyr advantage and we all know what.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, when it comes to the sense of "Right" & "Wrong", or nation/people SHOULD do this or that, where do you draw the principles? What's your believe system? I realy can't tell from your posting. You seem have none but you own interest. Look at what you said:"words is something China is always using toward theyr advantage and we all know what", sounds as if you/West never use words toward your advantage? You seems have a habit to accuse others at will without looking back to yourself.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Nowadays China is using it to "fight" the US with, since they try to shorten they output which will make other nations sick. However, many little nations are much more friendly towards Chinas interest and its probably not good to go against all those countrys because, even China can need some friendship. Ofc China was buying Airbus and not Boing, since Airbus is the better choice for them as long as it isnt US.. even if France was welcoming Dalai Lama, they simply had to accept it.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, the world run by the West for the past 500 years has NOT been a fair world; it only benefits a dozen European nations & put the rest of the world in the hell. Unless you admit this, you have no business to point finger at China. We fell from the richest nations to the poorest nation in the world because of what the West did. The worst thing is: the unfair action still going on, at the moment, there is 1 country who prints PAPER to gain the real goods from the world.Can you see that?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
It have to be said clearly, many nations, with US on top of it, truly was abusing africa for theyr own need without giving back any real value, they just was robbing it, and thats simply a fact. Now China wants theyr ores, but as long as they give back real value and stuff they truly need, its probably the fairest deal they ever got. In Mongolia there is the highest amount of those "rare earths" so its a very valuable country for China and they know what.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, if you admit that "many nations, with US on top of it truly was abusing Afria for their onw need without giving back any real value", then, these nation SHOULD stop their wrong doing before they accuse China. The so called "rare earths" is a none issue, for the world has plenty to go around, US is 1 of the nations who has richest deposit. This is a issue made up by the West, in attempting to empty-up China's resourses. Of course Chine would "fight back", & now you are unhappy. Why?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
China got the possibility, in term they succeed to advance human value, to be a true supermacy and to be respected by any nation in a high term which goes beyond materialism and its interest. However, in the current time most nations only love China for they strong economy and the advantage they can make out of it. Many african country need chinese products, and China want theyr ores... easy as that but it works.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
To much stuff to answer it all. What i see very often is that there is truly a high abhorrence against US from a large amount of chinese and probably reverse order awell. However, China might forget, not the whole world is US, such as my country where i live, and even those got in mind that China could be more open minded to the other nations, more diplomacy and giving more human rights. How they want to achieve that, surely is up to them. Democracy is just one of many possible solutions.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, 1st of all, I want you to hear 1 thing from a real Chinese: "China does NOT want to be a supremacy"; it is NOT your leaders & doesn't need your consensus or earn your respects, so please stop telling China what to do, OK? In your Western mind one either to be the leader or the follower; if one can’t lead, then one must follow.China is a nation who wants to be NEITHER.We do NOT want lead & we do NOT want follow; we want to be FREE, free from any bondage signed by others. Understand?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
I dont understand why America, EU, NATO and such, that they dont call this Liu Xiaobo for a terrorist.. They call Abdullah Öcalan for a terrorist, why dont they call Liu Xiaobo for a terrorist... He is fighting against a system in a country isnt he a terrorist and China democratic.. This double standard morale of the west it reflect the racist white man, all these racist have uited in almost every country against 'the poor'.. I know some people like this Liu Xiaobo doesnt care bout POOR people..
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
but some people DOES care about them.. Else people like us would have been whiped in public, the germans would have had their slaves, the christians their children, and the jews religion would have been the greatest religion, araps maraps would have all read in the Torah.. Im telling you, some people have disqualified themselves from the brotherhood, even with a few these faschist are nothing, their heads would have been cut balded.. Thats their nature, thats how they oughta be treated. This
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
must be a test. And what a test..
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, I mention US’s dark past not because I couldn’t forgive, it is because the US still does the same trick. In US’s media, including textbooks, whenever mentioning the history of US major internal conflicts/problems, always gives the reader the impression that all these conflicts were resolved “Internally”, whether by civil war or strike, or demonstration on the street. In fact, it is far from the truth. Every single US major internal conflict was resolve “Externally”.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
When US worker had over-production, it was the China’s door was kicked broken, after that US could offered public Ed; when there was the Great Depression, it was the WW2 simulate the economy, as a consequence US became the #1 economy; when the black asked for equal pay & equal opportunity led by M.L King, what did the US do? US disconnected its gold with the $, the $ become worthless paper, & US put the whole world at its gunpoint to trade oil by using $ only.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Because oil is a necessity commodity for any country who want to be industrialized & US wouldn’t give its paper $ for free, so everyone has to sell their goods to US to obtain $ to buy oil. When those $ reach those oil rich country, US asks them to invest their $ to US, & then magically making these $ as loans to lend to poor countries for interests! If you google US GDP history, you can see there is a hike starts from 1970, for more 30 yrs, US are getting richer & richer by print paper money!
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Not only the oil money/or called petro dollar, US move its low end industries to China & other developing country, use their resources & cheap labors, buy their good with paper money. However, these countries can’t use these $ to buy US goods, they were forced to lend them back to US by buying US gov. bones & invested in US banks. Then, US would play game with the exchange interest rate, a few ups & downs, the value of the money get shrink, these countries would end up with peanuts.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Beside oil & Exchange rate, the 3rd way US wipes out other’s money is to make economic bubbles, usually in stock & housing markets. Before the bubbles start, US’d ask the perspective country to open its currency market, so foreign currency can be exchanged freely; when bubbles start bursting, US’d asked that country’s gov. no intervention-”you should let the market decide & run its course.” Then, US quickly get its profit & exchange them to $ before that country’s economy collapsed.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Many countries’ wealth was wiped out by US’s bubble tricks; include Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Russia, S. Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, & Pilipino. Of course, the whole world saw what the US gov. did when its own housing bubbles burst--immediate gov. intervention. So, US’s rich & prosper have nothing to do with democracy, human rights or freedom fighting. How long do you think US can continue play these tricks before it run out luck?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Politically conflict/problem such as civil war was heavily influenced by Russian; even the Independent War could not be won without France’s support. Economically, whenever US have internal conflicts/problems, US would transfer its problems to other people: when the rich white man got too many land, they enslave the black to work for them; after the independent, when the poor white needed the land promised by the rich white, it was the Native paid the price.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, Liu is a racist in reverse discrimination. The US viewed Chinese people a race of natural inferior, he followered by saying that China needed to be colonized by the West for 300 years before China could become civilized. Why didn't he see the example of India whom colonized by the Great Britian? People in China give this kind of people the name "Western's Parrot". He is very unpopular. He is too offencive.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
The chinese people must identify people like Liu who obviously is plodding the downfall of the chinese people under pretext of free speech etc. He is brain washed by the West. Such a pity a brilliant mind gone to waste! Better to sacrifice him and save the Chinese nation. Simple as that.
I hope China will make Norway apologise for their stupid decision.
thinktok 1 year ago
So, China isnt all that innocent, they have to admit own failures too. They aswell try to "abuse" the situations toward own advantage. Since China is able to build for very cheap in a extremely high amount, which is theyr greatest strenght. So, its important to respect original products aswell who always was being build in max quality and wasnt here to be "cheap".
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, we never want to build cheap thing for anybody, in a matter of fact, we are so sick & tired of it. All these cheap products use China's resources just to support the West's wasteful life style. It also pollute our environment. The West enjoy the cheap good & love to see China's resources are used up; at meantime, accuse China "abuse" the situation by producing too cheap product. In your culture, do you have a concept named "shame"?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Something which is actually a big issue in many countrys is when China is copying just about everything else, is starts at watches and ends at japanese katanas, as good as everything is being copyed, mostly in a pretty poor quality. Its a big issue since the countrys who want to produce in highest quality will lose a lot of money and therefore its weakening theyr economy.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, "China is copying just about everything else", yes will copy everything we can, because that how human learn. Human copy each others, that how civilizations were build. The West copied our inventions, did you?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
China just cant control everything, and the US nowadays in fact got its revenge for dealing as they did in the past. Putting to much production dependency on China and trying to abuse China for theyr own needs, nowadays we all will have to pay the price. China certainly will try to get the own control back, but its as i said, the current way the use is just not right, not for humanity nor diplomacy.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
China was threatening almost any county where Dalai Lama is setting his foots on it . But is that the way how you show supremacy? Do you think other country love you for that? He is a free man able to go wherever he wants to go, and those countrys arnt China, so they are free to let him inside without having China knocking at theyr doors and teling them to lock the door else we will punish...
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Why the war of south africa is coming to Peking? Well, South Africa, such as almost any nation is affected by materialism, and China got what they need. Not for free, China certainly wants something back. South Africa even had to avoid Dalai Lama because China said so, which just isnt nice.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, "South Africa even had to avoid Dalai Lama because China said so, which just isnt nice", so US occupying 40 Inidan nations is nice? Why do you get so upset whenever China stands up for her best interests? Do we slave anyone? Do we racial discriminate anyone? Do we wipe out any native's 90% population? Do we put other countrie at our gun point to force them to buy our goods? Do we print paper money to exchange everyone's goods? What is your guide when talking about good & Bad?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
I do not think that America is that nice as it seems to be and i do fully understand that China and lot more nations are actually upset about them. However, for sure i can say theyr citizens do have a lot of freedom and i know a lot of friendly american people, unfortunately i know almost no chinese people, its hard to get access to them in order to see another ones view. But even, politics is hot stuff and they rather like to avoid it.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful,"for sure i can say theyr citizens do have a lot of freedom", that the point, their freedom is at our expenses, they have had too many "freedom" so we don't. It is important to see HOW to get freedom, not just HAVE it. If a man, whenever he needs money, he would rob his neighbors, yes he has a decent life, but that’s not an honest way to make a living. I am a Chinese & quite typical. It is difficult to talk about politic with Westerners in person, because it is confrontational.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Economy certainly was the key in order to get power. Nowadays in a world full of materialism who everyone just want money, and is taking the planets very last ressources, it just is fitting perfect. However, if anyone else wants to live inside a temple without much materialism, dont they have the right to do so? The whole system surely is questionable because its not sustainable and providing lot of dirt.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, do you have problems with materialism? or taking the planets very last ressources? or getting power through ecnonomic means? or not sustainable sys providing lots of dirt? Look at mirror.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, @Xenrageful, let me share with you another information which clearly tells how US got rich. In 1900, 8 Western nations including US invaded China. They broken our house, killed our men, raped our women & robbed tens of thousands priceless treasure from our palace. Why??? In a speech by Chauncey M. Depew, New York Senator and high political and financial power of his day, in seconding the nomination o f Theodore Roosevelt of the Vice-Presidency of the United States
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
at the Republican National Convention of 1900, when he stated in part: “What is the tendency of the future? Why this war in South Africa? Why this hammering at the gated of Peking? Why this marching of troops from Asia to Africa? Why these parades of people from other empires to other lands? It is because the surplus productions of the civilized countries of modern times are greater than civilization can consume. It is because this overproduction goes back to stagnation and poverty.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
The American people now produce 2000 million$’ worth more than we can consume, and we have met the emergency; and by the valor of Roosevelt and his associates, we have our market in the Philippines, and we stand in the presence of 800 millions of people, with the Pacific as an American lake... ”
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
According to the information below, we can clearly see that American workers worked very hard, they were very productive, but that did not make them become rich, actually that made them very poor, because unless someone were willing to buy their over-produced goods, they would have nothing. So, their gov. gave them a helping hand by waging war on innocent Chinese, bying killing, robbing, raping, with Chinese’s tear, blood & flesh, American works goods got sold, now they got rich.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
And just to make sure, the CIA did NOT pay Liu to go against China. I have no clue who else was spreading that message, it was probably chinese goverment as usual. Half of theyr media is a lie, sorry to say, so its hard to believe them because they would say just about anything else which is going toward theyr own mind, sadly.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, Liu is paid by a US foundation, an umbrella org. of CIA. In US, there were many these kinds of NGOs. I'm in US, Americans get their ed for half truth all the time. You'd not know US had racial dicrimitaion against China if I haven't told you. Do you know US has printed paper money to wipe out the world's wealth?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Besides, one of the biggest internal issue of China is the income inequality. Some people always leave some food uneaten, so they show others how rich they are, while others even die because of hunger. This is a general world issue but China is on top of it.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, "biggest internal issue of China is the income inequality", if you truely care about this, let the US companies pay the equal wage to Chinese workers as they''s pay to US worker. If US stop printing paper money to wipe out the world, I am sure the world'd have much less hunger.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Im saying that those freedom-fighters I mentioned couldnt be machines so to speak.. They were humans with feelings, without them the west would have been dark like pest.. Im talking about the 18 th century here, were normal people began to read in the west.. Some things happened back then, but the evil, racist, fashism the destroying force were always in their goverment.. They should have had a zar, maybe things would have been solved a bit quicker, and its 2010 today.. whats the difference from
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
70 years ago and today.. I mean, look at the americans.. You say I didnt develop and progsess but I mean it look at them.... Im saying that these racists are taking the credits for what decent socialist, members of the bortherhood has done.. It was socialists who letted us in to Europe, not these racist bastards, is it them I owe my loyalty.. White communists say me as a brother because im a Kurd, but I was young and naive.. I didnt understand them fully, I was afraid I guess, for fighting......
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, well, as nations, the West/US have being the threat to our Chinese's survival, they can beat, rape, rob & kill just because whom we were born with. And whenever they force themselve on our land, they'd claim that they represented their nation & people. Maybe if there is not nations in West'US, only the land & people, they would be less demaging. US has using printed paper money to wipe out the world's wealth since 70s when it disconnected $ with gold. Do you know about that?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
They were and they are FREEDOM FIGHTERS.. All the others are in one short word, dogs.. I'd eat them raw..
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, freedom fighters? search Chinese American history on Wikipedia, one can find that US had a long history & sizable list of racial discrimination against Chinese people.One of them is the case “The people vs. Hall” in 1854, when a Chinese work was murdered, and there were no white witnesses but only Chinese witnesses, the California Supreme Court refuse accept the Chinese witness based on racial reason. From then on, it was almost impossible to prosecute anyone who killed Chinese.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu,the California Supreme Ct ruled that Chinese was “a race of people whom nature has marked as inferior, and who are incarpable of progress or intellectual development beyond a certain point, as their history has shown; differing in language, opinions, color, and physical conformation; between whom and ourselves nature has placed an impassable difference" and as such had no right " to swear away the life of a citizen" or participate" with us in administering the affairs of our gov.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, in 1854, Tibet was already part of China. China was at peace with India & Japan. It was only when the West force itself into our land, the area has become a unrest zone. China never wants a piece of land, nor an oz of gold from US, but US was a nation who was capable to hate & against an entire race who never intend to do any harm to US. Yes, US forefathers were freedom fighters, they could free to sale drugs to us & kill; they had too many freedom, so we did not have any.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu, "All the others are in one short word, dogs.. I'd eat them raw..", I am sure that's what you'd do if there's a chance, you haven't changed or progressed. I am very dissappointed to find that out. But,you DON'T have that freedom any more, we will do whatever it take to make usre you don't have that freedom, & Tibet issue is one of our effordd. However, you still have the freedom to give back the 40 India nations their land & sovereignty. Please use your freedom wisely.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Talking to some of you is like talking to a machine talking.. There is a word that says one should clean up in front of their own door first.. America says its forefighter for democracy so says all the neo-nazi. And it was their fore-fathers who gave democracy to themselves.. A neo-nazis grand-father.. You evil people.. Who DID build up the modern western countries, what was it. They were fore-fighters for Human Rights, for freedom of speech.. And look at it now, one moment away, and look at it.
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
So what is a good leader having in my view? Humanity, likeability, wisdom, some humour and compassion. Most of the politicians are in fact very dry and i wouldnt want to meet them. But yes, i do want to meet Liu or Dalai Lama, i wish more people would be like them. They got theyr award with a clear reason which i can fully understand.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, Tibetan issue is ver simple, if they want stay, they stay & be treated as everyone else. If they are not happy, then leave. What's wrong with that? They can be "human" anywhere in the world, can't they? If you don't like to meet Chinese leaders, no one ask you to, they are not YOUR leaders. Liu is very unpopular in China especially knowing he is on the payroll of an umbrella org. of CIA. I can tell you are very upset with China, which not surprise me. We've gotten used to it.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, you seems have an idea that China’s very exist is to please you, I think you should change that mentality.You ask China to do things no other Western nations would ever do-cut land. For example, US presents still occupies 40 Indian nations.I hear this from US tv. The Indians never consider themselves parts of US (as you wished), & their nation status were ratified by US Congress long time ago.You would make more sense if you ask US to be cut in 41 pieces before you accuse China.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Still, only a matter of time till peoples such as Liu will put a change into China. Seriously, anyone think Chinas current leader is a wise person? Anyone ever heard a wise speech? Judge yourself who else should be your leader. For myself, my opinion is clearly, tibets leader is a special person, and Liu got great potential too, sadly i heard very few from him. One is for sure, i wouidnt drink a tea together with the current chinese leader, i would feel pretty scared.. and unpleasant.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Autonomy is a hostile word for China, impossible, democracy and autonomy are words which can easely put someone in jail for lifetime when even speaking about. There is no word which is more worse for them, its shocking.
If the tibetan leader would even put a feet into China, he probably would get jailed, there is absolutly no respect. and there isnt any possible compromise as long as the leaders arnt changing and the way of politics.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
And about how the chinese goverment was acting to the leader of Tibet and probably even Mongolia. They just said to "give us the whole country" else we get what is belong to us. They wasnt trying to protect human value, since its no value to them, only theyr country is value.
Then in the media chinese told them that they tried to seek communication with tibetan leader, but that was a lie. They got no interest anymore, since he is considered a "separatist" for seeking a certain autonomy.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Now, because of the greed, lack of diplomacy, and to many internal issues, China currently is in a very unstable condition. Now they try to make it stable by hard dictatorship. However, that is destroying human rights and is a very risky thing in order to keep general happiness. As soon as someone is asking for democracy, its a big criminal and all chinese simply are scared. Any media is getting faked and censored too in order to wash theyr brains toward own direction and view.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
And then what is extremely important to make others not revolting is to show them how great you are and that they would be foolish if they dont join you up. But how can you achieve that by what you currently do? They just dont think its any great, so they dont feel like being part of it. So on order to make a more stable China, at first solve your internal problems better.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
However, for the current China its not enough, they say "give it all", and why are you even setting your foots in OUR country? Go leave our place, its not anymore your space, your to weak and cant compare to our greatness. No way that can work forever, its hard to keep it stable. They need to show more diplomacy skill, lot more compassion and stop being overly greedy. But its like humans are, the greed never stops.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
America was the nation which used something no one should have ever used. Nowadays they changed theyr mentality, and the ones being attacked by America are now even one of theyr biggest friends. China simply is at a time age somewhere at the past in term of diplomacy and humanity skills. Maybe they didnt realize that a lot have changed and that a lot of countrys are aware of theyr faliures in the past. Anyway, yes, China just need its time, i got some trust in changes, but the time unknown is.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Nowadays the new american show lot of compassion to them, they even are using a helicopter in order to make a meeting with santa claus since there is no other way to reach that space, they was leaving the space at its original condition and the few native american left are actually very small. Unlike Tibet/Mongolia which is at least ten millions of native citizens, they need own space and own identity/culture, lot more than native americans even.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
And to bring up UK and America is just wrong, thats a totaly different situation. It was a completly different time age and the space was almost empty. However, it is true that the "native americans" got the right to live on theyr original ground and they had a small war. Nowadays they are part of America and theyr old culture is protected pretty good. Some still are living at the original place.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
ah yes, i know the reason i wanted to say. Its because the cant find inner peace, so they try to counter that feeling with materialism and show.. sadly.. few compassion. Anyway, China is the worlds "biggest" nation in term of citizens, and they should own a good amount of space, in a PEACEFUL way.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Besides, yes China even trying to get Japan territory and India too. Some side regions are being fighted at the this very moment. Both are having issues with China, sadly. For the isle, i just say that they should share everything and then never look back, since its not sure who else is "owning" it. However, at the current situation most nations are now feed up, its time to show the real China.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Maybe China just understand how they act when the whole rest of the world will tell China to leave because they are taking "the other nations" space. Its ridiculous, you got the right to live there such as we all do at the ground we currently are. You have to respect theyr identity such as we do respect yours, this mentality is very vital to the world. I only agree that China should get some of the cookie because they are very large, but NEVER wipe out another nation.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Again, its theyr native space, theyr whole culture is residing in that space, its history and they will lose a high amount of theyr culture and identity if they lose theyr original country, and no, they cant just go and invade another country that easy, they are simply at the wrong place. Its rly feeding us up to hear how China is talking about other countrys such as it would be theyr own, and saying "they steal our space". Its totaly without any respect nor value for them, but i know the
Xenrageful 1 year ago
This is the biggest joke i ever heard. China and keeping up human rights?
If you arnt giving them a fair amount of autonomy you destroy theyr culture, it is beautyful and you can be sure all the other nations except Pakistan will be very mad. Thank you.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, 1) you should know, when come to run our country, we don't run the way others wanted us to run, we are a independent nation for 5000 years. 2)The West is not the "world", we Chinese are 20% of humanity, I haven't hear anything you have said regarding the best interests of China, all you have said are all about what is good for others. So, you are on the wrong stand here. 3) Who give you the right to decide who behavior in certain way at certian period time? Don' play god please.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Well, its sad but because of such mentality countrys such as India will now build nuclear bombs and rockets. I am sure, we do not need such a input, it got the possibility to make the wonderful planet gone, The planet is the highest value, no nation and nothing can even compare against the blue diamond, the only one in the whole space we know., Its value is a number no one is able to pay, not even China. Repect planet and its nations, is the best way in order to protect earth.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Why should Mongolian and Tibetan leave? They was living there for eternity, and actually no one feelt like they was unhappy, not nearly as much as China currently seems to be. Materialism isnt all they needed nor is it the thing which is providing happiness. Thats theyr place in the world to live there in peace.
But im sure if you ask nicely they might be willing to give away 50% of theyr country, so you can enlarge the path of materialism, maybe all chinese will be happy after.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, "Mongolian and Tibetan was living there for eternity"? That's the funnest thing from a human rights standing point. Why don't they just be like Americans, leave everyting behind to have a new identity? To practice human rights no need a particular geo location, right? Human can be anywhere to be human, right? If Mongolian & Tibetan don't feel be treated right, they are free to leave, if they are not leave, then they CHOOSE to be unhappy, then they shouldn't complain, right?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
Yes sure and next time you will tell India to leave, Taiwan, Japan and finally the whole world can leave to Mars because planet earth is now owned by China.
Its just stupid im sorry. Repect the nations and theyr space. If China got problem with space maybe others can cut space a little, but that doesnt mean that they have to leave. They got the right to have a adequate space on the country they have been living for eternity where they build theyr culture.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, ha, China never view Indian & Japan hers. You just making things up. Taiwan, yes. Stupid, maybe in your eyes. You country can cut your space a little to those small civilizations which you so value, don't just lip service, DO it. Tibeten & Mogolian don't need any land space to have their human right satisfied, human rights regards human only, not land space. Human can live anywhere to be human, right nor not? They should be come Americans, that' the place to be best human. ha
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
And the Tibetan was living in Lhasa for thousand of years, why should they all just leave? Do you know how i am calling such a view? Its egoism, not just egoism, its a egoism nearly unbeatable, there isnt truly a word for it. But i have trust in the chinese citizens to make changes which is in the interests of many nations, not only theyr own.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, "But i have trust in the chinese citizens to make changes which is in the interests of many nations, not only theyr own", any nation & any citizen consider their own nations' best interest first, isn't this the Western ways of dealing with the world? You haven't show any understanding of China's best interest yet. Only thing you show is your own interest, YOU don't not need another strong power, if China fall apart & lose power it is a good thing for YOU. Egoism is best to fit you.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
Im not totaly against China, as i said its the worlds nation with most citizens, so they arnt "nonsense" and got a strong economy.
However, China have to deal with theyr needs much more subtle and gentle, they cant just act the way the do. Lets say i am the chinese leader, i would have told to the leader of the other 2 nations that they should give away 50% of theyr country, and the rest is fully autonom to them.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Besides im not sure about the 99% number, no matter where you ask and who you ask, as long as it is a chinese, the chance is very high that they might just answer with the words "no comment". Can Norway welcome Liu? Is the door truly open?
Strong unity isnt a bad thing, but if that is the only way to perform strong unity, i feel sadness. And most important: : Respect other civilizations, it will be a mirror getting back to you. Its never to late and im sure China will change soon.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, "no comment" is a polite way to say no. If you know a little about US history, the only way US was abble to keep its unity was the civil war, not democracy. Your "dictatorship" accusation of China's behavior is not very convencing. To convence others, you have to show your understanding of them & you have their best interets in mind, not yours.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
But thats exactly the point, China (mainly goverment) isnt respecting human rights nor do they value another small civilization which is standing in theyr way of "expansion". Thats wrong mentality, Tibetan, Mongolian and much more, are valuable nations and can even be part of China, but only after you was greeting them with lot of respect and always try to find a way which works for both. Its the hardest thing ever, but its the only way which can be rock solid.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, ha, Tibetans & Mongolians can leave if they are not happy, let them go to your country, "greeting them with lot of respect and always try to find a way which works for both"; then you give them these small civilizations "a good amount of autonomy". That's the best way to show your true compassion, spend you energy on changing yourself, rather than change others. China will not change, we are too old, it is very difficult to train old dog for new tricks. ha
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
and they leader is a criminal such as Liu.. which aswell just had to be a human, follwing the goverments words, and nothing else. He truly did dare not to follow.. so he got punished, actually he can be happy to be still alive, not sure he ever get his freedom back. Im sorry, i cant feel happy for that... because im a human, not a Tibetan nor a Chinese so it actually isnt hitting me, its just because i feel compassion. And as more as you try to force, as harder to force! Be aware.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
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@Xenrageful, " because im a human, not a Tibetan nor a Chinese so it actually isnt hitting me, its just because i feel compassion. And as more as you try to force, as harder to force! Be aware", well, we are not forcing you anyting, you can be whatever you want, but rember, how we run our country do not need anybody's approvel, including you.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
I surely can say, i checked theyr leaders in and out and i never ever meet a more peaceful person with so much of wisdom such as theyr leader. If China truly would want to work with theyr leader, im sure a good solution can be done for BOTH sides and not just for China. But who knows.. maybe China is short before a change, the hope is never lost. Liu Xiaobo thanks for your relentless courage to spell out something no other chinese would ever spell out, because of fear. You are a hero!
Xenrageful 1 year ago
And the Dalai Lama is still theyr leader and not a criminal. The first thing the chinese people have to realize is, that not everything can just be done by brute force. Sometimes they have to find a huge compromise, which isnt necessarely toward theyr mind but it might be able to provide happiness and therefor a more stable China. Hate and war can never be the answer, and not everything can always go 90% the way China like it, maybe only 50%, still better than risking a fatal break. in humanity
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, you are under the influence of big China, it is too bad you don't like the way it treats you, we don't know any other ways, because we treat everyone the same way, we can't just give you the special treatment, Tibetans are nothing special. Why don't you move to country whom you can identify with, for example move to US & ask Americans for "a good amount of autonomy". US soil can support 500ml people, it is now only 300ml, there are room for the entire Tibetan population.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
I am not directly under the influence of China, im in a peaceful country and i do love them for giving me lot of freedom. I dont say that same will work for chinese people, maybe they need some stronger controlls, but NOT,.. absolutly not they way how it is currently done. I know China is having lot of problems, but they wont get lesser by dictatorship, bad reputation and humanity can very quick turn the sails if they arnt trying to find a more balanced way of dealing with.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, open you peaceful country's door please, let those poor Tibetan move there, so they can be human, they can be human in any peaceful country like yours, they don't have to stay in China, right? We 99.99999%Chinese support our gov., it is OUR country, NOT yours, so whatever your opinnion doen't count, do you understand?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
...part o China in a certain way, but not the way the wanted it. Tibet still is having a unique identity and its important to understand theyr needs and wishes and to protect and value theyr rights, and a good amount of autonomy aswell. China cant just treat them the way they currently do, thats just not right, almost any nation is agreeing me on that. China have to act with a lot of compassion and give them enough of autonomy within theyr boarders. How its currently done is not peaceful.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
The main issue is, the chinese goverment ( i say goverment, not China, since China is 99.99999% citizens and goverment is above citizens) , well the issue is that China isnt leaving Tibet any kind of self control anymore, not even the smallest bit of autonomy. China even is forcing the Tibetan peoples not to have more than 1 children anymore BUT Tibetan peoples are a very small group in "China" and its NOT right to execute that order on them. China have to realize that Tibet might become
Xenrageful 1 year ago
If she had the award, or anyone else who deserves that, they should give it back to them
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
Did Liu Xiaobo get beaten? No
Did Liu Xiaobo get raped in turn? No
Did Liu Xiaobo had support from the west? Yes
Did Liu Xiaobo work doe the interest of the west? Yes
Is Liu Xiaobo a chinaman? Oh, yes
Here is someone who deserved Nobels peace prize more than anyone else
Did Leyla Zana get beaten?Yes
Was Leyla Zana working for the west? No
Did Leyla Zana get support from the west? No
How come that she didnt get the award, she's in jail again do you know, and you call Turkey democra
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
They should award Nbels peace prize to Sarkozy, or Berlusconi. And Erdogan and Netanyahu...
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
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Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
Liu Xiaobo At least has universal healthcare in China. ^_^
calstategop 1 year ago
oh yeah
kutielai 1 year ago
Boycott China products! Don't make the China gov't rich by buying China products！
Fergus3232 1 year ago
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Fergus3232 1 year ago
Everybody in this world should boycott China products,coz the Chinese government will earn tax revenue from the exports of China products and will spend the tax revenue on increasing its military strength to invade other countries.So,ensure that u r not 1 of those who help the Chinese gov't become rich enough to invade other countries.
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coltec111 1 year ago
Besides, most chinese arnt having access to Youtube since China was banning Youtube in theyr country, so its not like there will be a lot of native chinese at Youtube. And not much of them are even able to see another persons view except the one from theyr own goverment. However, as you know, they are all around the world and there is still enough of them left to be able to comment on this and even to upload such themes. Some might be able to bypass the bann.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Finally, the world doesnt need countrys seeking for endless power, we have had that stuff already in the past decade and it was nothing but causing fear and destruction. This country should finally be a peaceful decade where you show compassion to each others and not "how to expand your power to a world destroying superpower", such a mentality is really very outsdated and is causing nothing but harm in the long term. I wish a happy life for everyone on the wonderful planet earth.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
Yet, if they lose something? OFC THEY DO. They lose theyr culture, you was destroying a large amount of temples, you are killing theyr language and unique identity. Are you sure they ever wanted that in exchange for some railroads and cars and stuff which can be causing a lot of dirt in a very sensitive mountain area? I truly say, everyone who thinks that is any good is probably a manipulated chinese. Be true with yourself, all you wanted is unlimtied power.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
And about Tibet, the eye of a chinese probably doesnt realize that Tibet got a exaltet reputation with India because of theyr peaceful actions they did toward each others nations. Could China say the same about Tibet? You was mainly causing fear, and you say you want to build up a modern Tibet with railroads, streets and cars and such, but is Tibet truly in need of it? They was peaceful monks and tourism could have been the key to make theyr oconomy flourish. All they needed was a airport..
Xenrageful 1 year ago
To look realistic, the only true friend of China is Pakistan. They are aswell the only country in the world able to get the most huge weapons made in china. They may be able to help China against India, which already was getting hurt by Pakistan long time ago. However, that time China have to be scared because India, the democratic country, is no weaky such as all the others. Because of that they are testing nuclear rockets, which is sad but its here to show China not to overstep theyr bounds.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
When you ask a random chinese about theyr political view, they look very scared and say "no comment", are you sure that is what you wanted? Its true, China may fall apart and may lose theyr overhelmed countrys drawed into them, such as Mongolia, Tibet and more but that doesnt have to be bad, you simply lose power. Tibet never should have been overhelmed in the first place, they wasnt causing any issue to china. China simply want to expand and get power, anyone against that idea is a criminal.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, if China "fall apart and lose its powere" doesn't have to a bad thing, then, Tibet "lose theyr culture,a large amount of temples,language and unique identity" are not have to be a bad thing either, you just simply be a human, the world doesn't need "Tibetan"? Losing one's original ID & to be melted is a good thing, isn't that US all about? People come US to loose their orininal ID. So, you Tibetan, have some courage, just to be human is much better for you & the world.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
Yes riight, sounds almost like the chinese goverment is directly behind you and is dictating what you have to say. Thats not how it should be. Actually im not sure if any chinese truly feel like a "human", some might feel enslaved, ask Liu about, he lost any freedom, he cant even walk outside anymore. You want to destroy a ancient civilization which was so spiritful for the world, just because you want more space/power. The Tibetan could all die, they are no value to you
Xenrageful 1 year ago
@Xenrageful, if you are not a tibetan, then I think the best thing to do is to open your country's door & welcome all the people you think aren't fee like "human", give them the chance to be human; & let the those who don't want to feel like human have their rights to feel however they wish. Country's unity is important to Chinese, we have this way for 2500 years. A strong nation is 99.99999% Chinese want, so, our gov.represent our best interest, you are not. Why should we listen to you?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
The Chinese goverment is a hard dictatorship which is doing massive censorship of almost any content and they only use the media to inform theyr chinese about theyr very own view, sometimes going very faw and putting a lot of people, nations and actions in a totaly wrong light. Now they come and say that democracy is bad and that other countrys democracy have failed. No one said it will work perfekt but what currently happens in chinese is just causing hard fear to nearly every single chinese.
Xenrageful 1 year ago
This fucking asshole received funding from Us congress to overthrow Chinese gov't.
MrPokerman5250 1 year ago
NOBEL to JULIAN ASSANGE
TheWIKILEAKSforNOBEL 1 year ago
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In fact, it estimated that a far larger number of 65,000,000 people had been victimized in China, is still existing under the dictatorial political system, and still persecuting minorities and committing human right violations ceaselessly. Chinese government should not suppress free speech in China! The Chinese government promised China will be a free country when the Tiananmen massacre broke out in 1989. Has China fulfilled the promise?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
Where injustice is practiced as justice it is the obligation of humans to resist. Liu Xiaobo was sentenced to 9 years prison by an injustice regime because he thought and practiced freedom in China where its government fears democracy and human rights because it would give 1 billion people the power that provinces like Mongolia, Tibet, Hong Kong, etc. will fight for liberation (like Taiwan did) & that would cause the End of the Republic of China. They are just slowing down the inevitable …
DirkHVM 1 year ago
@DirkHVM ,Lol ..! the obviouse enevitable is the US down fall ! Free Julian Assange ...Thanks for his revelation of America's evil empire ! Julius Assange should be awarded a nobel peace prize, instead of this criminal liu xiaobo ..who allowed himself to be corrupted by the CIA to go against Chinese gov't.
MrPokerman5250 1 year ago
Are you a Chinese who enjoys the freedom of speech and democracy of CANADA, or are you biased person that cannot think independently due to his heritage & culture? Our discussion here is not about the US & Wikileaks, we are discussing & protecting the privileges that you are enjoying in democratic Canada. The Chinese government is oppressing its people, especially its intellectuals since their knowledge is power. Their censorship & oppression cannot last forever & then China will fall apart!!!
DirkHVM 1 year ago
Maybe China can do a better job with Democracy than we are doing with it in the USA
ccm800 1 year ago
Autocratic regimes fear democracy because they don't like competition. They fear the loss of power and they fear accountability to the people. The CCP fears its own citizens, especially articulate ones like Liu Xiaobo. They do not trust ordinary Chinese choosing their leaders. They think ordinary Chinese are so stupid and irresponsible that only autocratic rule will work in China. They fail to see that democracy has brought stability and growth in neighbouring Japan and South Korea.
pervertt 1 year ago
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5) Russia - After 20 yrs of democratic change, it has one of the most corrupted police state in the Western world. Don't call the police if you get robbed. Chances are you got robbed by the cop, my Russian friend told. Who is really in charge, Putin the Great ?
6) US - I have great respect for President Obama. He is one of the hardest working & productive president in recent time. But now his power is slipping away in the name of democracy.
Is democracy at work for these nations ?
paulkaikwonglee 1 year ago
@paulkaikwonglee cont'd ..
7) Greece - The birth place of democracy is now on the verge of bankruptcy;
8) Ireland - The banks are closing after years of economic decline;
9) Iceland - It is a bankrupt country;
10) Mexico - Why are so many Mexicans want to get out of their democratic country ?
Is democracy at work for these countries ?
paulkaikwonglee 1 year ago
@paulkaikwonglee Why scrape the bottom of the barrel to find examples of poorly performing 'elected' governments? Why not pick some of the better performing ones for comparison, countries like Japan, Germany, Australia and UK? Why is it that migrants vote with their feet and always make these countries their destination of choice? Why don't these people head for countries like Zimbabwe and North Korea? Might it have something to do with democracy allowing for the removal of bad governments?
pervertt 1 year ago
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paulkaikwonglee 1 year ago
@pervertt I appreciate your reminder of good governance under democracy. My 1st stmt is "I embrace democracy", 'cause I believe in it. Democracy can't be forced on a country in a blanket way without reference to its' history & culture. Dr Sun Yat San found the Republic of China in 1911, only to lose control of the country. Gen Jiang Kai Sek was a dictator of Taiwan until his son took over & gradually shifted to democracy. China will become democratic one day as the nation matures & stablized.
paulkaikwonglee 1 year ago
@paulkaikwonglee That day can't come soon enough. I agree that democracy cannot flourish under inhospitable conditions - current efforts in Afghanistan I think are doomed to failure. Democracy thrives best with rising living standards and an educated middle class, both of which are fast expanding in modern China. K Galbraith went further - he thought democracy was an inevitable by-product of rising living standards. Could F Fukuyama be right about the end of history?
pervertt 1 year ago
I embrace democracy. Let's take a good look at these decmocratic countries:
1) South Africa - after over a decade of change, it has now 50% unemployed population & no forseeable hope of improvement.,
2) India - largest democratic nation on earth with serious corruption, extreme poverty with huge gap betw'n rich & poor & 3 political assasinations,
3) Iraq - democracy within a green zone ? Is it a joke ? Any realistic hope of self-reliance ?
4) Afghanistan - need I say more ?
cont'd...
paulkaikwonglee 1 year ago
Let's get one thing straight - the CCP does NOT speak for all Chinese. All that it represents is a handful of insecure and paranoid autocrats who have no moral legitimacy to govern China, much less speak on behalf of its 1.3 billion citizens. Anything that hastens the demise of this dysfunctional and corrupt excuse of a political party can't be a bad thing. Bring on the revolution, I say.
pervertt 1 year ago
yeah, what is the next their reward goes to a Saddam.. somehing wolly is over the past
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
In a perfect world.Democracy is a good thing,But in this fucking degenerate decadent and disgusting western world the first thing you want to do is to reward an asshole whom SCREAM ;;democracy democracy;;.This Goddamn idiot Liu Xiaobo is nothing but an insect.China must prove to the world that no outsiders are to tell them how to run their affairs.LONG LIVE CHINA.[the next super world power]
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 year ago
These consioussness full white think that we're the last enclave, and then they won over all.. What they won is a shame.. Coma.
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
The best is to serial kills cops. Especially those who even the look makes me angry,,,
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
I didnt want to say to anybody about that in my eyes also amazing idea, but im pushed, and this will hopefully seem the freedom of speach we who are ten year old, are told..
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
I ope then we'll get another TV, where the holde world will see 5-6-7 or more, preferred more cops taken as hostages.. And shot in their piti head...
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
These scandinavians.. They're in court tommorow for letting their police..taking the money for ROJ TV, are we in the heart of the famous scandinavia another victim for their racism. Who the fuck does a pale face think he is. What do the turks, the iranians, the fairy tale arabs think are.. Look at you as people, what is it, do you think you're above H. Chavez.. Mandela.. Apo?
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
The only good thing that came out of Norway was the so call BLACK METAL................................other than that.you people are living on a fucking fantasy world.You are not aware of what's going on,in the rest of the planet.You people from NORWAY are so Goddamn beautiful,that you make me fucking sick.
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 year ago
This little piece of shit.[Liu Xiaobo] is nothing but a fucking traitor to China. i hope the Chinese government cut his head off.
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 year ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA Retard! That statment from you clearly dont support the Human Rights!
gese5 1 year ago
@gese5 human rights????.....................Why don't you take a good look at what you Goddamn criminals.EXCUSE ME i meant to say .Americans.And what a HUGE VIOLATION of human rights you committed in the middle east ,at this very moment...............[And ins't a human violation to TRY to tell others not to have their opinions?]
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 year ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA you must be dumb as hell. I am from Norway.
gese5 1 year ago
@gese5 OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that explains it all.
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 year ago
Death to the abomination that is the Chinese Goverment.
Supercucu123 1 year ago
But dont worry the chinese are not interested in an escalating conflicts.
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
@Hancerlioglu ironically they're causing it.
rivengle 1 year ago
if there were a peace-prize against this Nobels peace-prize a kurd have had it..
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
this discussion is solved with kung-fu.. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiii..!!!! Did anyone notice a flying kick in the background?? ...
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
If Liu is not campaigning for capitalism in China, he has my respect. If by freedom he does not understand "freedom for capital to exploit people", he has my rtespect. Unfortunately, I have no respect for Romanian ex-dissidents: I noticed that after 1989 they were a bunch of pro-capitralit scoundrels. They are guilty for the economic catastrophe of today's Romania.
radurambo 1 year ago
@radurambo if you read more online, he's fighting for human rights and free speech. as many people know nowadays china is sort of like a modern day germany, minus the war. they also have a great firewall.
rivengle 1 year ago
@rivengle They also look like the mongolids
Hancerlioglu 1 year ago
@radurambo i mean they're like the hitler ruled germany.
rivengle 1 year ago
@rivengle Come on! Nonsense. This is the best regime for China. Do you know other success story in the last 30 years except China? How much was the HDI index 30 years ago and how much is now? This is a government which acts for the majority of those 1290 miilons Chinese. Freedom of speech caused the Cultural Revolution. No way!
radurambo 1 year ago
"Freedom of speech caused the Cultural Revolution."
And yet the Cultural Revolution destroyed Free Speech. People were labeled as reactionaries for saying things against the communist government; old books, relics and artifacts were destroyed; rich individuals and landowners were tortured and humiliated senselessly.
Idude893 1 year ago
@radurambo what success story? china only has a growing economy. that's it. china's living conditions suck. when's the last time you've been to china?
and by the way, china isn't that communist. if it was, then why would some people only earn $2 an hour while others earn like $500a minute?
rivengle 1 year ago
@rivengle You have a good point. The gap between rich and poor has increased. But I hope that CCP is not penetrated by capitalists. The government thinks in long periods. When have YOU been in China? I was never
radurambo 1 year ago
@radurambo this summer. only for 5 days. saw many homeless people and poor living places.
rivengle 1 year ago
@rivengle Have you visited India or other developing countries in order to be able to do a comparison?
radurambo 1 year ago
@rivengle
The PRC has never claimed to be communist. It is a socialist country. Wen Jiabao claimed in 2007 that the PRC would remain in the 'primary stage' of socialism for another 100 years.
redword2007 1 year ago
@redword2007 yeah and YOU'RE from the communist party. tell me, why is the "communist" party ruling china then?
rivengle 1 year ago
@rivengle
The CP is ruling the PRC because it led the revolution that liberated the people from feudal barbarity. It is a communist party because it strives ultimately to eliminate exploitation and class division, but it does not claim to have done that yet or to even be close to doing it.
redword2007 1 year ago
cigar guy=badass
birdhouse188 1 year ago