Christianity Destroying World + Upcoming Videos

[a10of20borg]

Google "The Piso Family in Roman Empire. This Family wrote the entire new testament. Jesus Christ is Julius Ceaser! This trick had worked on the human race for 2000 years! Suckers are born every minute of the day! Talk about Oswell's 1984 big brother, God is big brother, Jesus is watching you! ect! The Romans had rewritten history like in 1984! Rome was in every way was a low tech version of 1984!!! and it worked for the last 2000 years! It is time to leave Christianity for good!!!!

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

@a10of20borg

That's a lot of exclamation marks.

[a10of20borg]

December 21 2012 = Y2K Both had hype it up and when 1/1/2000 come nothing happened! Earth always had disasters in the past! Earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes always happens! We live on a planet that is changing all the time! Christianity looks for the Antichrist and NWO to come. That is were the nut-job conspiracy 9/11 truth-er comes in. Then you have Nibiru the nonexistent planet! As far as I am concern, 12/21/2012 nothing will happen on this date and I am sick and tired of this!!!!!!

[SorrellsAV]

@a10of20borg You don't know that nothing will happen, but the people who say the world will end, or we'll all ascend don't know either. Stop saying you know when you don't. You assume, but you really have no clue, nor do I.

[a10of20borg]

@SorrellsAV As far as I am concern the 2012 date itself is now under question now! Google December 24, 2011. Videos will come up telling that the Mayan calendar will end on December 24, 2011! People can't even get the date correct on the Mayan calender. There is even questions that it's end of the Mayan calendar would be 50 to 100 years late. Also our calendar is off by four years. So the possibility that this calendar has ended in 2008! People have made claims have to do their homework!

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

@a10of20borg

Never mind that the calendar doesn't actually end, nor did the Maya prophesy any manner of "end." Even if they had, I've never encountered a compelling reason to separate Mayan prophecy from the thousands of other religious apocalypses that have come and gone as curious non-events.

[pussymountain]

let's try to remember the library of alexandria, when christians destroyed anything they could that essentially disproved that the world was flat (in a nutshell). and that was at the begining of the 4th century. just think of how much more wise we as a species would be now if we had been allowed to teach facts back then. christians claim to be persecuted when it was in fact the christians that violently removed anything that opposed their teachings of a magical being that sits on a throne.

[Mindlabytinth]

I'd be a happier man if there were more weirdos of your kind, you know?

Besides, lunatics (the genuine ones) may be irritating, but at least they're coherent in their lunacy. I perceive VonHelton and people like him just as false lunatics, people in desperate need of a swarm of blind followers, and embark on the lunatic boat just because it's the shortest route to their end.

[HunterHornet]

The video doesnt talk about Christianity destroying the world, however if a person does believe that, than it is surprising that Christianity has been trying to destroy the world for 2000 years without success. I would think marxism to be the greater threat as it has resulted in the death of millions and only been in existence for roughly 100 years.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Marxism and its offshoots have a fairly remarkable track record, I agree.

[fylosofer]

Technically, the 9/11/01 hijackings/attacks were a conspiracy -- by the hijackers!

[junior00bacon00chee]

i'm not sure if we disagree on 9/11 however.

i've spent my research focusing on the scientific evidence, rather than the circumstantial evidence, which so many, like jason bermas, focus on. in my mind, until we stand on solid scientific ground the circumstantial evidence is not compelling enough.

i do not use the phrase "inside job" b/c it pretends to know who is really responsible. but i am definitely convinced that the govt story is totally bogus.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

I'm not claiming that the government story is squeaky clean. I'm saying the popular "conspiracy theories" are bullshit, as all the prevailing ones have been thoroughly deconstructed. Just see my exchanges with the "Terra" character in this very comment section. Every time I shot down a claim, he just skipped over it and whipped out another claim. Classic case of throwing out as many assertions as possible to create an illusion of argumentation.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Circumstantial evidence is hard to avoid, because it involves motives and ... well, circumstances. What I don't find so far-fetched, however, is that some members of government knew full well what was about to happen. I don't think it was an "inside job," but the payoff for professional archons has been pretty substantial since 2001.

Most "conspiracies" are imaginary to begin with, but the few that have merit tend to be explainable through simple opportunistic plays for power.

[junior00bacon00chee]

yeah i agree on the 2012 nonsense.

for ages mankind has always had this fear of the end of the world, and it usually coincides with the end of a calendar. this has happened many times throughout history, the most recent example being the Y2K hysteria, which was a modern manifestation of an ancient fear.

irrational fear is no friend of humanity, so i look forward to seeing this stuff struck down would relentless logic and reason.

the end of the mayan calendar literally means nothing.

[Akatam0t0ma]

I'm glad you're going to do video to the kookspiracy nuts. I'm sure I don't need to tell you their level of religious zeal.

[sparton1199]

religion is definitely clog in the "worlds" artery, interms of the "world problems:. also, urination contest? where do i sign up?

[woodsofodin]

I don't think nightvisionsphantom's video was even worthy of a response. I don't know why people are even dignifying his statements w/ video responses, however, 5 stars because your response was good.

[Cailwyn]

I'm tired of this 2012 nonsense.

That said, I can't wait to see your videos putting this crap to shame.

[renegade4dio]

ROTFL @ Terra7Q

@LibertyIsNotGiven Heh. You really did pull a great example of a mind lost in the woo-woo with that one.

[Terra7Q]

You didn't even watch the video. I think I'm in a better position to 'lol' as the evidence is there for all to see. You have just been exposed to the crazy side of this spectrum not realizing the factuality of the events are causing it. Of course you have weed out the bull but taking the media's word for unfailable word of god evidence in a for profit institution is also going to lead you down the wrong way. There is logic out there it just isn't within a neat package for those with a lazy mind.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Terra, the evidence IS there for all to see.  That's why you're a woo-woo. Your ranting and red herrings about the media just further highlight your utter lack of sound arguments.

[Terra7Q]

Well considering "conspiracy theory" is literally an argument. I would really see reason to look elsewhere for information.

I am still waiting for you to fully address my claims. But obviously there is no true counter your argument is structured on dismissal and a strong pre-built response to this kind of information.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

A "conspiracy theory" is not an argument. It is a claim.

I refuted the first thing you posted, and the second thing, and the third thing. That's about the time I told you to take it to PM or leave. Your only defense has been to wave your hands and keep making new claims, hoping to misdirect, just like a desperate creationist. It's nothing new and wholly unimpressive, though I'm sure you feel the same about the cold reason that consistently upsets your most cherished woo-woo beliefs.

[Terra7Q]

[Quote]So you admit to one woo claim being defeated, so you pull another out of your ass. Wonderful![/Quote] Ahh This is the point you are referring to. That one time not three. When you misinterpreted my information. I was quite clearly stating that within "the mismanagement of the media" I was referring to the the propaganda not being timed correctly at all. Because if they truly were reporters in any sense, would they look out the windows at least once before prematurely reporting false info?

[Terra7Q]

You have misinterpreted me again [Quote]A "conspiracy theory" is not an argument. It is a claim.[/Quote] No it is used as an argument as there is no preceding evidence after which the dismissal is expected on the part of the announcer of words "conspiarcy theory" It is used as a summation and avoidance of thought.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

A "conspiracy theory" is a claim. You are making claims. I have refuted those claims. That you continue insisting these refutations are mere "dismissal" is your own problem. The conversation is here for anyone to read, so I see no point in a urination contest with you over it.

[Terra7Q]

They say the scripts and their reference to reality is non existent. As it quite clear if they can indeed be over-viewing a scene and not able to decipher to reality of what they report. How you can trust an organisation to even remotely convey relevant information? When the reality is completely contradictory with usage of these weird things called "eyes", the visual indicator of information.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

That paragraph isn't even coherent. No matter. I've given you every chance to take this woo-woo shit to PM or video as requested. You have refused, and now you are blocked. Buh-bye.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

No, padawan, read the discussion. I refuted every claim you made.

Pure supposition. You simply assume it was propaganda, with no good reason other than you must to keep waving your hands, when it is clearly more likely they expected the tower to fall because the fire department had told them it would. Pre-recording in media is extremely common.

[RtFusion]

I was always wanting to do a series but never had the luxury to do so (lots 'o school).

However, if my VonHelton pwnage videos say anything, I feel that I have to do another series debunking 2012 thoroughly.

[RtFusion]

@RtFusion Whoops"

To do a series on 2012.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

If I recall, Von is a proponent of the 2012 killer solar flare. I'll be getting to that, either first or second. Will have to flip a coin between it and the "alignment" myths.

[Terra7Q]

I might make my position more clear I have no bets on the 2012 incident. And I am also an atheist. There is more evidence to suggest neutron bombs being used in another false flag attack. Stated by George Green: watch?v=z-kivVAAV-o

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

I frankly don't care what you think 2012. I'll be debunking the myth soon enough, and you're welcome to respond.

You being an atheist doesn't mean anything to me.

Neutron bombs: woo, yawn.

[darkwhitedirewolf]

I wanted to join a woo woo group, but I cant afford membership. :( And my alien money is not any good they say.

I get plenty of kooks being on libertarian forums. Unless I am the kook and they are normal??

[MaikUniversum]

People think, that if you are skeptical about state (which is today concidered as "fundamentalism" by some proclaimed skeptics, PZ for example), then you should be skeptical about everything, (even your sanity), so you gotta believe in UFOs and 9/11 conspiracies, and all kinds of wow-woo.

[MaikUniversum]

5:24 same happens to me :D sometimes, lol.

[thebeartaxes]

you just don't get it man...REPTILIANS CONTROL OUR MINDS!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!11!1one

[Terra7Q]

Obviously 30 years or so previously it was easy for people to believe anything and everything after learning about the tyrannical government with the small amounts of information available to freely access.. It doesn't detract from the fact that profit based interests lie in place of all legislation. The current governments are de-facto which seen the average worker with little respect and somehow owing all the mistreatment via malleability.

[Terra7Q]

Besides David Ike makes the reptilian clam so he's indemnified against assassination.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

"David Ike makes the reptilian [claim] so he's indemnified against assassination."

You typed that like you think it actually makes sense.

[ILYIAB]

Not funny anymore, stupid.

[Terra7Q]

Wait... You're anti-statist yet uphold the standing obvious propaganda for the current institutions in power. A little weird.....

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

"obvious propaganda for the current institutions of power"

I have no idea what you're referring to, but the Alex Jones apologetics on your channel clue me in as to your motives.

I almost mentioned in the vid my expectation for the woos to descend in indignation at the mere mention of them. I didn't, but here you are all the same, and in a mere two hours.

[Terra7Q]

Well I might need to fill you in some. Here is a reporter reading a "SCRIPT" on a teleprompter about the World Trade Center 7 having been collapsed when the building was RIGHT BEHIND HER visible in plain sight.

watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

Collapse:

1. To fall down or inward suddenly; cave in.

2. To break down suddenly in strength or health and thereby cease to function

To cause to fold, break down, or fall down or inward.

1. The act of falling down or inward, as from loss of supports.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Terra7Q, the only thing keeping me from laughing is the sinking suspicion that you're serious. They knew WTC 7 was going down because the fire department told them so. Indeed, they knew well in advance.

Even ignoring that, why tell them? Why not just destroy the buildings and let the news media do what it does?

I'm not interested in discussing your woo-woo ideas here. You can send me a PM if you're that desperate, or you can post video responses when I start the 2012 series.

[Terra7Q]

So they would write a script about the towers collapsing PRIOR to the actual collapse. Pre-News? News before it happens News? Why?

If that sounds logical to you. I see no logical determination skill within you at all.

You think that they would report a murder while a the man supposedly murdered just wandered onto the set behind the reporter? What would you say if that were to happen? Are you really that foolish?

Its funny to me also. Tower 7 had no visible signs of a thriving fire. Blacksmoke

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

If collapse was imminent, as FDNY said, yes. This is not an uncommon practice in news media. What DOESN'T make sense is having them write a script and pre-record if it was a conspiracy, thereby giving ammo to woo-woos like yourself.

Your analogy is woefully inept, since predicting a murder would be quite a bit different than predicting the collapse of a damaged building (after being informed of imminent collapse by the fire department).

Keep squirming if you want, but take it to PM.

[Terra7Q]

My analogy is not limited to the small perceived conceptions of it. There are many ways to assume one dead within minutes or hours, snake/spider bites for one.

Well its annoying because all that is seen of large building destruction is a whimperish-small-resistance fall. You would know if you could encompass the strength of the core columns. That a building so large could not be predicted to fall in such a way to describe as a collapse. At the very maximum partial failure of the structure.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Terra7Q, sure, but if you know about it and didn't want viewers to know you knew, you wouldn't record with him in the background. Again, why pre-record at all? Why would the killers even tell the media? Nothing you've said make any sense at all. It's pure hysteria and emotionalism. You've invested so much in this nonsense, you're to the point of preferring *not* to think about it.

Either address my counters to you claims (in a PM or video), or stop posting here.

[Terra7Q]

Yes well I thought it was obvious at first. The video is evidence of their miscalculations/mismanagement of the media. By way of a future event being known of far exceeding any reasonable assumptions. The exterior had no visible damage to suggest the core columns were weakened. But even if they were weaken by exterior forces, as the black smoke doesn't permit for internal, the structure would not implode in such a way surely you must see that.

The video itself is showing a known event reported

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

So you admit to one woo claim being defeated, so you pull another out of your ass. Wonderful!

WTC 7 damaged and on fire:

tinyurl com/ydulagg

Do you not know what "take it to PM" means? In case your wondering, PM = private message. I won't say it again.

[Terra7Q]

You'll also notice the feed gets quite an abnormal termination. As if someone manually cut a wire or similar.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Uh, because a fucking building just collapsed, ya think?

See message above, particularly the paragraph staring with "I'm not interested...."

[Terra7Q]

Ah so you're afraid of the repercussions of announcing such a belief. Still the corporatocracy have contempt for anti-statists. And anarchism. So you're not off the hook by playing the dismissal game.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

"...so you're afraid of the repercussions of announcing such a belief."

You're a woo-woo to the core. Re-read my responses to your claims and try to refrain from misdirection. Nobody's on the hook. It's all in your head. Your little news clip conspiracy has been put to rest in a mere few comments. You're just too obsessed to realize it yet.

[Terra7Q]

Well I hope you take the time to realize that a sky scrapper collapse from fire is likely not to erupt erratically into a big smoldering spout of dust and leave behind little more that the composition of a small bulldozed home.

NIST also has confirmed a partial free fall speed.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

That old cow? Oh, please. The woo "free fall" argument is a pile of shit that has been debunked a thousand times. You're like a creationist pasting talking points from Answers in Genesis for a lack of anything else to offer.

Either address my counters to your claims (in a PM or video), or stop posting here.

[fede2]

the sad thing is that plenty of these christians- the one you're responding to is a quintescential example- seem to be the type that have only been exposed to alternative view-points in very superficial/reductionistic manners (if at all), are completely (or to a large extent) oblivious to critical and independent rational thinking and (this is the cherry on top) are insanely arrogant!

that force field is impenetrable.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Fede, they call it Sunday School for a reason, I guess. Some "learn" better than others.

[TheEpicureanAtheist]

I love when people predict the end of the world. It makes it so much sweeter when that date passes and they are disappointed.

[MaikUniversum]

no. They just find another date and keep waiting... and waiting...all their life. It's mental issue.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

MaikU, I can't wait for 2036.

1 in 250,000 chance of asteroid impact, 99942 Apophis. That's too far, though. They'll latch onto something else much sooner, probably before January 1, 2013.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@TheEpicureanAtheist:

Usually, they don't show their disappointment, they just pretend to have never claimed it in the first place when you call them on it, or convenietly move the date a bit further.

After they cried wolf so many times, why there are so many members of our species so desperately willing to believe it remains a mystery.

[renegade4dio]

"I feel like I just explained something to a 3 year-old." --LibertyIsNotGiven

I suspect that there was more truth to that than you even meant.

As for the crazies you attract, unfortunately there's a lot of overlap between libertarians and the ''woo-woo'' crowd. It seems that they use the ''free-thinking'' cover of anarcho-libertarian type rhetoric as an excuse to ignore all evidence in favor of fantasies.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

R4d, at least these types are fringe even for libertarians, and most seem rooted in the old right, uber-patriotic tradition. At least those I know of are. Not as common among anarchists ----- again, to my knowledge. It's just strange that my inboxes get flooded with messages from these sorts of folks, and I can't recall ever hinting at any sympathy for such beliefs. Maybe they seek conversions.

[renegade4dio]

@LibertyIsNotGiven

My step-mom is all taken with that 2012 thing. She's worried that when all the planets line up, the whole solar system will fly out of balance... And my dad is a PhD Physicist... but he's not trusted authority enough to dissuade her. Not even the simple logic that it has happened many times in the history of the solar system without incident allays her fears. And she fancies herself an anarchist.

Sure it's not evidence, just anecdote... but it hits home for me...

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Yeah, 2012 hysteria has leaked all over the place. It's the most successful wacko campaign since Y2K (and at least that was a real problem that had to be fixed).

Anarchists as a group are certainly not immune to conspiracy theories and pseudo-science, and I didn't mean to imply any such thing. I just don't see the general phenomenon being as prevalent among anarchists as it is among, say, the old right.

I'll probably address the various "alignment" claims. They seem popular.

[Terra7Q]

It seems your pro-media mindset has left your mind immobilized . Your acceptance of gospel world from god Corporate media is astounding please.

Watch this and attempt to refute. Entertain me.

watch?v=YyyRXfROhrc

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Your pro-woo mindset has left your mind immobilized. Your acceptance of gospel [word] from woo-woo websites is [unsurprising].

I'm not here to entertain you. Can you support your claims, or is deflecting my counters your only recourse at this point?

[Terra7Q]

[Quote]If collapse was imminent, as FDNY said, yes.[/Quote] Well they also stated they were going to "pull it". A common demolition term. Confirmed in this video here:

watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

[Terra7Q]

pull down - To demolish; destroy: pull down an old office building.

pull down 1. To pull down or break up so that reconstruction is impossible: demolish, destroy, dismantle, dynamite, knock down, level, pulverize, raze, tear down, wreck

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Except that statement was made Larry Silverstein, not a demo worker, and he was talking to the fire commander. Nothing supports "pull it" being used in that context, my dear woo-woo padawan.

[Terra7Q]

It is well within context his use of the word it was in reference to the building quite clearly.

WTC Construction Manger stating the building could sustain multiple yet liners as it was an obvious precaution as a structural attribute.

watch?v=q74MiBSqm78

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

No, it isn't in that context at all. All you have to do is take your information from a non-woo source and keep your brain engaged. Also, Structure Magazine disagrees with you.

You are welcome to post a video response or have this discussion over PM. If you post this woo shit here again, after repeated requests to use video or PM, I'm gonna block yo ass. You can then cry conspiracy about that if you're so inclined (which you clearly are).

[glasseay]

YESS EXCELENT

i cant w8 to watch your 2012 vids.

[Stargazer5781]

Looking forward to your mythbusting videos :-) I share your frustration regarding the, erm, strange ideas that permeate the "libertarian" community.