Lecture 10: Putting a Price on Carbon - Cap & Trade, Carbon Tax

[SenateCandidate]

Perhaps, 0PsycoDad0, you can inform us just how the warming which ended the ice age, which, by the way, had most of North America under ice, came about? What caused the Earth to warm so much that all that ice to melt?

Then tell us how all the increased human and industrial activity brought about the "minor ice age" of the 1970's period which caused your wise, knowledgeable scientists to declare we were entering another ice age and could expect to freeze to death if something was not done?

[SenateCandidate]

0PsycoDad0, you clearly have a problem. Ignorance can be cured, but, as you clearly demonstrate, stupidity cannot.

[tenagliac]

But taxes here, either way pass to the consumer. The issue is a tax is charged but the 'carbon problem' is not really addressed. The cost is just passed on. Based on the false premise that the consumer is totally responsible. In fact the financial responsibility is to the stock holders, therefor the tax should be a variable percentage on the stock, as a property tax, the rate in proportion to the CO2 produced in production and use over time. Culpability to the bottom line.

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Climate change (n): what progressive collectivists have renamed global warming after global temperatures fell for the past 15 years.

Carbon Tax is a Global Scam!!! Do some of your own research and you'll quickly find that the same amount of ice melting from the arctic polar ice cap happens to be reforming in antarctica...  this was not caused by your carbon emissions...

[0PsycoDad0]

@EndNationStates LOL!

Typical confused presentation by semi educated folks. Maybe you haven´t figured out yet but "The decade of 1998-2007 is the warmest on record, according to data sources obtained by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO)".

A warmer atmosphere means more moisture this in turn means more percepitation which in turn also means more snowfall. You´re cunning like a first grader.

Plz at least try not to look like an idiot. It must be so embarrasing for other americans..

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@0PsycoDad0 How can one hope to contest the deep research you've performed? Let me attempt to try by mentioning your source, and the fact that they receive their data from NASA and NOAA. Now who's being sued under the Freedom of Information Act to release the data, any first-grader could guess it... the WMO, NOAA, NASA. Can you guess why they are fighting the lawsuit tooth and nail?As for NOAA, ever asked why there was a 75% reduction in temp. monitoring stations in 1990? all in cooler areas

[0PsycoDad0]

@EndNationStates Oh Consufed one, guys like you tend to twist some detail out of... i don´t know stupidity, carelessness, whatever.

I´m not inclined to give your "it´s all wrong" dimwit paranoia rant any credibility as YOU must come up with a better theory dumbass! YOU must demonstrate it !!

THAT`S THE WAY IT WORKS! For jebus sake!

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@0PsycoDad0 I encourage you to do your own research. you show yourself incapable.  I wish you the best of luck. 1880, start with that year and maybe you can make a hockeystick graph that mightt point to all the hot air the carbon-credit traders spew trying to get their newest ponzi scheme off the ground.

[0PsycoDad0]

@EndNationStates LOL!

Your ignorance is triumph, eh?

DO you actually have any idea about what you´re talking?

How carbon trading works? I don´t think so.

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@0PsycoDad0 Again, try to do some of your own research rather than living in Plato's cave and simply regurgitating what your told. Good luck psycho

[0PsycoDad0]

@EndNationStates "Never understimate the stupidity of idiots"

[0PsycoDad0]

"Failures in implementing the need-to-know principle can cause serious damage to our organization."

I bet you´re alluding to this..

Yeah, right, NOAA dosen´t distributes all and every inforamtion, so it hides "secretely" some realy important ones , of course these would prove everything you say.

OMG, imbecility on a new level...

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@0PsycoDad0 NOAA-16,(launch Sept.00) follows a sun-synchronous orbit (102min duration) around the Earth gathering temperature data.For the past decade this satellite's data has been fed into climate computer models.All of the data has now been taken offline.NOAA's Program Coordinator, Chuck Pistis, admitted that the data was inaccurate showing temperatures 10-15 degrees higher than they were in reality.

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[0PsycoDad0]

@EndNationStates So what? ONE model is wrong...

Do you actually think THIS ONE example diminishes the gazzillion proven true statements science made?

What alternative explanantion do you have?

How does your alternative explains all the other evidence?

Which sources do you use?

"upon its altar"

WTF? This pathetic religion comparrison is not even naive it´s stupid! I´m tired to hear allways the same baseless fundie crap. It´s the same with evolution.

[0PsycoDad0]

It´s allways attacking the method or the ppl involved. NEVER constructive critique.

NEVER bringing up some better working model/explanation!

Simple deranged personalities having no clue about WHAT THE F$%§ they´re talking!

Meddling their mumbo jumbo retard world view with what propelled the entire fu&%ing world out of intelectual darkness of moron ritualists!

So "endtimer" WHERE is your evidence?

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@0PsycoDad0 I am referring to your near-religious zealotry defending a faulty science.Global Warming doesn't exist,so my coming up with a better theory on why it is occurring, when it isn't, is ludicrous.The Scientific Method, perhaps you've heard of it, doesn't encourage one to construct a model then search for or create (as NOAA has) fake data in order to justify the fallacious claims of those seeking to perpetuate a global carbon tax agenda.Me sources and facts, you ad hominem attacks,goodbye

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@0PsycoDad0 Continuation...

World-renowned Canadian climatologist, Dr. Timothy Ball, admonished “At best the entire incident indicates gross incompetence, at worst it indicates a deliberate attempt to create a temperature record that suits the political message of the day.”Keep in mind, psyco,that you are basing your defense of global warming and the schemes justified upon its altar on a crumbling house of cards built with specious data.

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@0PsycoDad0

Continuation..........

Don't take my word for it.NOAA is telling you... All I'm telling you is that you shouldn't fall for every scheme that comes down the pike. Do Some of YOUR OWN Research!!!

[0PsycoDad0]

@EndNationStates Well "my own research" hardly includes some teraflop high end computer for modeling nor some blinky star-toy gathering data.

The common strategy of skeptics is to destroy the credibility of science&scientists involved. This has nothing to do with scientific proceedures but is entierely aimed at creating an air of doubt, mistrust and hostility.

As proponent of the scientific comunity i repead again; mistakes are no prof of anything, same counts for negative evidence!

[EndNationStates]

@0PsycoDad0 I'm not sure what it means to "repead," but if you believe as you offer that "mistakes are no prof [sic] of anything, same counts for negative evidence," then perhaps you should reevaluate what side of the debate is hostile... the side pointing out the fallacious data, or the side saying "mistakes are no prof [sic] of anything." Me, I'll take actual data. Goodluck to you, sir. I hope you are able to pull the wool from your eyes one day soon.