@voluMzor Yes, that's it. I know it's a hard decision, but I think a democracy should NEVER comply to terrorists demands. If you do so, it's a snowball, and you can't stop it any more.
Gov't should try their best to prevent bad guys killing people, but when the gov't kills innocent people just because a terrorist demanded it, and the president ordered, we would be in REAL trouble.
I think this is the most intense moment in the entire show. It is REALLY shocking to see Jack killing an innocent (and powerless) man so cold bloodedly. To me this was a moment when he crossed a line, I mean, everything he did before could be explained, but in this case, if I were in his jury, he were guilty for murder 1st degree.
OK genius so if Jack kills Ryan for the greater good then if asked to he should kill Kim........oh wait I forgot, for Kim he would kill the hundreds of thousands himself. Hypocrisy at it's finest and that was 1st Degree Murder what he did. Saunders IS the terrorists and our countries policy is NOT TO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS, Palmer was a dumb retard and Jack was a little bitch who was trying to suck the Presidents cock. Saunders would just more demands after killing Ryan so whats the point?
Chappelle is alot like George Mason. A by the book dick at first who makes it tough for everyone to do their jobs, but comes off brave in the end, even willing to give their lives. Thing is, no president would give in to such demands. This is classic 'negociating with terrorists'. A terrorist demands that you commit murder in order to save 'millions', this sets a terrible precedent. Palmer stood by his values until Sherry killed Milliken, now this, not good.
I agree 110%, NO negotiating with POS terrorists, this was cold blooded murder, what's funny is I wonder if they asked him to kill Kim he would, I don't think so, so what is Kim more valuable just because she's related to Jack, this scene and Ryan being killed should NEVER have happened. To me this scene makes me hate Jack, everything else he does has some level of justification but this....Kill one, save a million, people talk like lives are maths, 1 is as valuable as 1000.
Prince Persia is fkg right in everything he said. If that terrorist had ordered the murder of Kim Bauer it would of been so much fun to see Jack's pathetic face. Who is gonna kill her Jack? It's gonna save MILLIONS Jack! Fkg hypocrite piece of shit! You killed Chappelle you moron!
I loathe Jack. I for one thinks he's more dangerous than any terrorists I've seen so far in the series (I'm only in season 3). Ryan Chappelle was my favorite character. We need guys like him in charge of Homeland Security, not cowboys like Jack. And I hope that dumb piece of shit David Palmer gets killed, what a tool.
man... this was the saddest thing i've ever seen, it had me crying, especially whe he said he didnt have many friends, apart from ctu, i lost it there, soo sad
Nothing about this scene makes any sense at all. Saunders wanted Chappelle dead because "he was working on a money trail" Doesn't this alert CTU that the trail is important? And how does killing Chappelle do anything? What, there isn't anyone else at CTU that can call bank tellers and ask them for basic account information?
The writers wanted Jack to kill someone at CTU for cheap shock value, so they conjured up the most pathetic half assed sub-plot worse than anything we've seen on Smallville.
Nothing about this scene makes any sense at all. Saunders wanted Chappelle dead because "he was working on a money trail" Doesn't this alert CTU that the trail is important? And how does killing Chappelle do anything? What, there isn't anyone else at CTU that can call bank tellers and ask them for basic account information?
The writers wanted Jack to kill someone at CTU for cheap shock value, so they conjured up the most pathetic half assed sub-plot worse than anything we've seen on Smallville.
@drifter6276 You're right it definitely doesn't really make much sense. I've been marathoning 24 the 3rd is seasons is the first one where I've started to notice some real writing problems. In one episode they were writing the parts of Palmer and his brother completely backwards, i.e. Palmer is eager to to do Saunders' bidding while Wayne was telling him not to, and then by the next episode the roles had just reversed.
@Stophocles, It wasn't that Palmer was eager to do Saunders bidding, Palmer was simply trying to buy time until Jack had located Saunders, Sauders had already released the gas in the hotel killing over 800 people, Palmer knew he couldn't just ignore his demands.
@TheDalinkwent I didn't literally mean he was eager to do his bidding, he was eager to go along for exactly the reasons you just stated. But it seems like there was discontinuity in the writing during those episodes.
@Stophocles,I have to admit I was bit shocked that Palmer went along with his demands, considering Palmer hated to feel powerless and controled by other people's agenda, but you have a point.
@drifter6276, While you have a point about the motivations for killing chappelle being a little weak, this scene was still important as it showed the hard and almost impossible moral choices Jack and Palmer had to deal with, it also showed that Jack isn't just a killing machine, and really struggle's with some of actions he's had to take.
@TheDalinkwent he shot a guy in the head and showed no remorse afterward. That's exactly what Jack is. Like a programmed cyborg, he can't be reasoned with or spoken too, he's impartial to begging or pleaing, and he won't stop at anything until he completes his mission.
All of his decision making is based on quantitative theory, not human theory.
@drifter6276, " A programmed Cyborg"? are you fogetting what Jack said right before he pulled the trigger? he also broke down at the end of the season, while you're right that Jack will stop at nothing to complete his mission, his methods do have a profound effect on him.
@kolop556 While I think it made for amazing television, I'd have to say I didn't agree with it. I mean, I can see why he did it, but I still didn't agree. Jack has done some crazy things, no doubt about that. Though, there's always a "reason" behind it. Extreme situations call for extreme measures - that's what 24 is all about. Makes for great entertainment at least.
Well because you're a faggot, Jack didn't get to, the President isn't God who exonerates Jack, that badge and oval office mean shit and if that was me I would have grabbed Jacks balls and torn them off, in real life there is "badass" there's justice and if you mess with people you get raped. If a cop tried to kill me to save thousands I would neutralize him like I would a hostile because in that situation he IS THE HOSTILE.
Undoubtedly one of the most powerful scenes in the entire series. One thing the show does depict, and it's not just Jack, is everyone's willingness to write off collateral damage, until it hits close to home. Chappelle was known for being by the book, and making the tough decisions, but when it was his butt on the line, that all changed. Same goes for Tony. I think that's how it'd work for a lot of us.
No it's bullshit, you can't "Sacrifice" a person because you think it'll save millions. A million lives are worth no more than one life, AN INNOCENT LIFE. If this was a criminal who sacrificed someone you would think different, I'm sick and tired of people giving the badge extra rights, I would kill a cop like I would a criminal if he tried to kill me, HUMAN IS HUMAN. That episode and scene was one of the worst thing they could've written.
Jack is a misguided, disgraced government agent who believes that right and wrong are only determined by quantitative reasoning
Back in Day 1 when he was a human being, he understood that there was something else worth protecting besides national security. Something deeper and more mysterious than a mathematical causality assessment
But he lost that connection with the world after the death of his wife, committing dark deeds he believed were right and blindly following a path to his own ruin
Remember, Bauer is responsible for his actions. Don't buy into the bullshit that "he had no choice." If it was Kim, he would have had "no choice" but to refuse to cooperate with Saunders. Just like how Palmer had no choice but to stop negotiating with terrorists after giving into them THREE TIMES. There can be no rationalization for the contradiction in his actions even from the dumbasses who dismissed his weaknesses as having his hand forced then called him a hero when he acted the opposite way
Aside from ethics, look at the fallacies in his argument.
He admits LA was successfully quarantined but says the potential was greater in other cities, even though LA county has one of the greatest populations in the country. (nearly 10 million, more than NYC).
He denies that women and children should be tortured and killed in this situation, which completely defeats his argument since he said that there are no principles in this situation, and that the terrorist must be obeyed at all costs.
I hope you can all see the folly in this douch's argument. Understand that cold blooded murder cannot be justified under any circumstances. That we are a great country not because we throw ourselves at the mercy of terrorists but because we save lives in defiance of evil.
Never be quick to judge that the refusal to compromise will result in total loss. Have faith that doing the right thing will produce a favorable result.
Chappelle's death wasn't significant in anyway. Unlike Teri or Palmer, it didn't change the show's course or shape the story. He was just expendable fodder the writers were willing to throw under a bus for cheap thrills.
Saying his fate gave Palmer courage is like saying Fredo getting shot in the head gave Michael Corleone some decency.
As for Bauer and that despicable expression of defiance he wore when he murdered Chappelle? He fails to grasp that NOTHING is worth the price of your soul.
Like I said earlier, I can't take this debate seriously because the plot was poorly devised and half assedly (is that a word?) written.
The 24 flunkies loved it of course. But think about it, these are the same drones that pardoned David Palmer when he ordered Chappelle's execution, saying that he "had no choice," then applauded his subsequent refusal to cooperate with Saunders decalring "it was the right thing to do."
Like the correspondents at Fox News, you can't reason with these people.
plotwise this could have been done alot better tho. The reason for demanding chapelles death was poor and weak. As was david palmers acting after it happened. I think it was just minutes after that he stated he was not gonna negotiate with saunders any more...Which would mean that chapelle dies for absolutely nothing. Even minutes after it happened, come on...
Still, no matter its flaws, 24 is an awsome series and i love every minute of it so far!
agree that the plot forged this situation very poorly, but the idea however is indeed superb because most people have been annoyed with chapelle from his first apperance but most people also is shocked and emotionally taken by this scene just because chapelle, however annoying, never did anything wrong or illfull. He followed the book, as everyone is expected to do.
He should've asked for Kim Bauer's head, lets see Jack do something "for the greater good". I DIDN'T THINK SO. Ryan was a little bitch he should've told Division and the media as well as the rest of CTU and LAPD. Division didn't even know that's what happened, they thought he died in the line of duty so Jack didn't make the decision, Ryan did. Otherwise Jack would've had his ass raped by Division and CTU. FUCK PALMER too dumb slut died himself, fuck Jack too.
Palmer didn't even have the right to make that choice, If Obama asked me to die for millions now I'd bury him. The president isn't God he's just another faggot who thinks he can do what he wants. People give WAY too much right to the badge and the oval office. When I walk down the street I treat a police officer as a treat like I would others, always calculating the threat, if a cop pulled a gun on me I would neutralize the threat. I don't care about his plastic badge, fuck him, fuck the badge.
Jack compromises the mission when someone he cares about are in danger i.e. his wife, Kim, Audrey, etc..
To endanger the lives of others so he can have what he wants while remorselessly sacrificing people like Chappelle in the same situation is selfish and pathetic.
It's what's made him more one-dimensional and unfavorable as the show has progressed and another reason why 24 has declined overall as a series.
It's hard to take this debate seriously because it's such a stupid scene.
Obviously the producers were hard up for ratings, so they drummed up this half assed subplot for its shock value.
Jeez, Saunders wanted him dead because "he was working on a lead"
Doesn't that alert CTU that the lead is significant? And wouldn't it take just three minutes to replace Chappelle with someone who could do the job just as effectively?
Wait, they did. They got "expert banker" Chloe to finish it up.
if he didnt kill ryan, saunders would have released the disease and killed hundreds of thousands of people. of course he chose the right option he killed one person to save all those others lives.
Here's where your mistaken son. Your thinking is based on the same flawed theory of consequentialisism employed by terrorists.
You believe that because more people live in a given situation, any action which produced the result is justified.
Right and wrong isn't measured by how many people live and die.
You can't murder the innocent at the request of a terrorist no matter what the situation. There is a line that separates good from evil and that line can't be crossed.
We don't appease terrorists not to kill people. We save lives in defiance of terrorism, not in compliance with it.
By murdering Chappelle, Jack continued the massacre of his soul which began in season one. He lowered himself to the same despicable level of the radicalists who believe that a better world can only be achieved through the deaths of innocent people.
If the terrorists stuck to protesting instead of killing, they wouldn't be called terrorists, just political idealists.
I can't believe I'm reading this tripe. Did you watch the show? One single infected person led to a quarantine of over 3% of the city, that's how lethal the virus was. If it had been released it would have wiped out tens of millions, or possibly the entire nation. Are you happy to let the entire country die horrifically just to protect your precious principles?
Chappelle's life in that instance outweighed the lives of millions. Like Jack Bauer, you possess a flawed and misguided sense of quantitative thinking.
The moment innocent blood touches your hands, you become the evil you are fighting.
You can't save lives by murdering the innocent.
If it was the right thing to do, why did Palmer change his stance after Chappelle died?
In regards to the threat, you have to alert the public and try to quarantine the virus. Hard choice but the right one.
Stop talking crap. It would have been impossible to quarantine the virus, you know it, even if you won't admit it, and Palmer knew it.
He changed his stance because they had leverage over Saunders at that point.
But I know perfectly well that I'm wasting my time typing this. If you actually believe that it's OK to let literally MILLIONS die as long as your precious principles are protected, then you're beyond any kind of help or reasoning.
Let's expose the bullshit coming out of the talking hole in this idiot's ass and educate him.
The virus was quarantined in LA, he even admitted it in his last post, which proves he's lying or a dumbass. I'm guessing the latter.
If you watched the show, you'd remember that Palmer didn't know they had a lead on Saunder's daughter when he made his stance. They didn't even capture her until later in the episode.
It's nincompoops like this who don't have a grasp of the facts who advocate murder.
According to this guy, fuck principles. The only thing that defines right and wrong is purely mathematical. It's OK to murder innocent people, torture innocent woman and kidnap (and possibly kill) children as long as the numbers support it. There should never be a line drawn because the only thing that makes murder murder is when it's done out of self interest
Yes, I would refuse to shoot my colleague in the head when a terrorist asks me to because I don't give a shit about millions of people.
Shame, I knew you wouldn't be able to avoid resorting to childish name calling for long.
I don;t know what you're smoking, but I never said anything about torturing innocent women or kidnapping children. I'm only referring to this one case, and I said that ONE SINGLE INFECTED PERSON LED TO A QUARANTINE OF 3% OF THE CITY, quite a bit smaller than the potential numbers in the other cities.
I have no problem with principles if it's a case of a bomb or a hostage scenario, but if the entire country could be wiped out, then it's a different story.
I tell you what, I'll try you're discussion technique:
According to this uneducated idiot, innocent human lives are worthless and totally expendable if keeping them alive doesn't represent some great principle. fuck human life, all that matters is stupid principles.
Wow, even just typing in that style feels completely moronic!
And of course, a buffoon like mopanov only sees everything in absolutes. That if I or anyone else refused to capitulate to a terrorist's evil demands, that we would WANT millions of people to die and that we don't value human life.
But even a dumbass like him knows the flaws in his argument. Understands that his cynicism and his ignorance is the source of his beliefs and ultimately what makes him wrong in this issue.
But you just said the opposite of what you believe. Chappelle was innocent, does that mean one person's life is worth less than a millions? So you're saying a person should wake up in the morning and during the day be asked to die for others? BULLSHIT, the aim is to capture the terrorists, the US does NOT negotiate with terrorists, let's see Jack shoot Kim in the head, he should right I mean a million people will die but you and I both know he wouldn't, fucking hypocrite.
It's not because I, like any descent human being know and understand that there's something else behind my actions. Something far greater than a thousand is a lot more than 1. That there are laws laid down on this world by a mysterious and unseen power which governs how we make our decisions.
Stuff like values, ethics, and loyalty, are irrelevant to someone like mopanov who like Jack Bauer wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone he knows and in the head when a ruthless murderer threatens him too.
And maybe like Jack Bauer, all it would take to make mopanov feel differently is if it was someone he loved and cared for in the same situation. That if it was his daughter or his wife, the sudden realization would dawn on him that murder is wrong. That an innocent individual can't be sacrificed to appease evil no matter how many lives are threatened
By his own admission, Mopanov says principles are stupid and worthless. But how would he feel if he was thrust in the situation described above?
@willcad The math in this situation isn't relevant. You can NEVER kill innocent people no matter what the hypothetical scenario. Never. In this instance, Chapelle's life outweighed the thousands of other lives because the murder of an innocent human being is what draws the line between good and evil. It' better to defy a terrorist and lose thousands of lives as a result, instead of compromising and taking the life of one.
Exactly people make it sound like a million people is worth more than one, Like a life is just a number, as if people don't have lives, families, friends. Ryan made the decision himself anyway because he could've easily saved himself by calling Division, the media and LAPD.
He can't just decide to kill a person because he thinks its right, he's not GOD. A million people's lives aren't worth more than one. Just because he has a badge doesn't make him a king. Saunder's was going to release the virus anyway, its a US governments policy not to negotiate with terrorist yet they kill one of their own. Ryan made his own decision otherwise he should've called Division, LAPD, the media and announced it to the rest of the CTU workers. No one would have accepted it.
@willcad "If, what, would of, maybe" You can't kill innocent people under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. If it means hundreds of thousands of people, even if it means a million people, you can't fucking do it.
Man, this whole scenario was bullshit anyway, why are we even talking about it?
@PhatFarm60 Yeah I've called Jack Bauer "Arnold" in the Terminator movies, but he would never kill his daughter. In fact Jack's a hypocrite because he sacrifices the mission whenever it's someone he's personally involved with. He had no problem killing Curtis in Day 6, but when Audrey was in danger he sold out. He sold out in Day 7 when Kim was in danger, he endangered the mission in Day 1 when it was his family on the line...It goes on.
@drifter6276 don't give me that sanctity of life crap! if that concept were real, there would be no murders or suicides! My uncle killed himself about 15 years ago!
@FanJamesMarsters Silly me for saying it's wrong to kill people. Yeah I know the concept isn't really real.....People don't hesitate to kill their own children when people tell them to.
No sound AND you cut out most of the video??
Thanks for nothing
TomFromJersey 3 weeks ago
Not a lot of people can shoot their boss in the head and get away with it.
andrewlimch 1 month ago
I love that sence
englin5 3 months ago
People do realise this is a television show
sgtd19851985 6 months ago
This scene keeps giving me chills.
JayManiac 7 months ago 2
Why no sound?
hawkman350 7 months ago
Season 3, 5, and 7 are by far my favorite.
DennisBayazitov 7 months ago
@voluMzor Yes, that's it. I know it's a hard decision, but I think a democracy should NEVER comply to terrorists demands. If you do so, it's a snowball, and you can't stop it any more.
Gov't should try their best to prevent bad guys killing people, but when the gov't kills innocent people just because a terrorist demanded it, and the president ordered, we would be in REAL trouble.
tulioleal 8 months ago
I think this is the most intense moment in the entire show. It is REALLY shocking to see Jack killing an innocent (and powerless) man so cold bloodedly. To me this was a moment when he crossed a line, I mean, everything he did before could be explained, but in this case, if I were in his jury, he were guilty for murder 1st degree.
tulioleal 10 months ago
@tulioleal So what are you saying? Jack shouldnt have killed him and cost 100 thousands lives?
voluMzor 8 months ago
OK genius so if Jack kills Ryan for the greater good then if asked to he should kill Kim........oh wait I forgot, for Kim he would kill the hundreds of thousands himself. Hypocrisy at it's finest and that was 1st Degree Murder what he did. Saunders IS the terrorists and our countries policy is NOT TO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS, Palmer was a dumb retard and Jack was a little bitch who was trying to suck the Presidents cock. Saunders would just more demands after killing Ryan so whats the point?
princepersia1 8 months ago
In the cut scene, you can see Jack crying in the helicopter
Heor4 10 months ago
Jack Bauer's most ruthless moment!!
TheGriggaHgs 11 months ago
Chappelle is alot like George Mason. A by the book dick at first who makes it tough for everyone to do their jobs, but comes off brave in the end, even willing to give their lives. Thing is, no president would give in to such demands. This is classic 'negociating with terrorists'. A terrorist demands that you commit murder in order to save 'millions', this sets a terrible precedent. Palmer stood by his values until Sherry killed Milliken, now this, not good.
samson4474 11 months ago
I agree 110%, NO negotiating with POS terrorists, this was cold blooded murder, what's funny is I wonder if they asked him to kill Kim he would, I don't think so, so what is Kim more valuable just because she's related to Jack, this scene and Ryan being killed should NEVER have happened. To me this scene makes me hate Jack, everything else he does has some level of justification but this....Kill one, save a million, people talk like lives are maths, 1 is as valuable as 1000.
princepersia1 8 months ago
Prince Persia is fkg right in everything he said. If that terrorist had ordered the murder of Kim Bauer it would of been so much fun to see Jack's pathetic face. Who is gonna kill her Jack? It's gonna save MILLIONS Jack! Fkg hypocrite piece of shit! You killed Chappelle you moron!
tayeule124 1 year ago
I loathe Jack. I for one thinks he's more dangerous than any terrorists I've seen so far in the series (I'm only in season 3). Ryan Chappelle was my favorite character. We need guys like him in charge of Homeland Security, not cowboys like Jack. And I hope that dumb piece of shit David Palmer gets killed, what a tool.
tayeule124 1 year ago
man... this was the saddest thing i've ever seen, it had me crying, especially whe he said he didnt have many friends, apart from ctu, i lost it there, soo sad
Recovery82 1 year ago
As much a i disliked Chappelle, i really did feel sorry for him.
ilurvebigbutts 1 year ago
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gypsy310650 1 year ago
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Nothing about this scene makes any sense at all. Saunders wanted Chappelle dead because "he was working on a money trail" Doesn't this alert CTU that the trail is important? And how does killing Chappelle do anything? What, there isn't anyone else at CTU that can call bank tellers and ask them for basic account information?
The writers wanted Jack to kill someone at CTU for cheap shock value, so they conjured up the most pathetic half assed sub-plot worse than anything we've seen on Smallville.
drifter6276 1 year ago
Nothing about this scene makes any sense at all. Saunders wanted Chappelle dead because "he was working on a money trail" Doesn't this alert CTU that the trail is important? And how does killing Chappelle do anything? What, there isn't anyone else at CTU that can call bank tellers and ask them for basic account information?
The writers wanted Jack to kill someone at CTU for cheap shock value, so they conjured up the most pathetic half assed sub-plot worse than anything we've seen on Smallville.
drifter6276 1 year ago 2
@drifter6276 You're right it definitely doesn't really make much sense. I've been marathoning 24 the 3rd is seasons is the first one where I've started to notice some real writing problems. In one episode they were writing the parts of Palmer and his brother completely backwards, i.e. Palmer is eager to to do Saunders' bidding while Wayne was telling him not to, and then by the next episode the roles had just reversed.
Stophocles 1 year ago
@Stophocles, It wasn't that Palmer was eager to do Saunders bidding, Palmer was simply trying to buy time until Jack had located Saunders, Sauders had already released the gas in the hotel killing over 800 people, Palmer knew he couldn't just ignore his demands.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
@TheDalinkwent I didn't literally mean he was eager to do his bidding, he was eager to go along for exactly the reasons you just stated. But it seems like there was discontinuity in the writing during those episodes.
Stophocles 1 year ago
@Stophocles,I have to admit I was bit shocked that Palmer went along with his demands, considering Palmer hated to feel powerless and controled by other people's agenda, but you have a point.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
@drifter6276, While you have a point about the motivations for killing chappelle being a little weak, this scene was still important as it showed the hard and almost impossible moral choices Jack and Palmer had to deal with, it also showed that Jack isn't just a killing machine, and really struggle's with some of actions he's had to take.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
@TheDalinkwent he shot a guy in the head and showed no remorse afterward. That's exactly what Jack is. Like a programmed cyborg, he can't be reasoned with or spoken too, he's impartial to begging or pleaing, and he won't stop at anything until he completes his mission.
All of his decision making is based on quantitative theory, not human theory.
drifter6276 1 year ago
@drifter6276, " A programmed Cyborg"? are you fogetting what Jack said right before he pulled the trigger? he also broke down at the end of the season, while you're right that Jack will stop at nothing to complete his mission, his methods do have a profound effect on him.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
one of the best scees in the series.
bauer3924 1 year ago
@kolop556 While I think it made for amazing television, I'd have to say I didn't agree with it. I mean, I can see why he did it, but I still didn't agree. Jack has done some crazy things, no doubt about that. Though, there's always a "reason" behind it. Extreme situations call for extreme measures - that's what 24 is all about. Makes for great entertainment at least.
haro82 1 year ago
oh man i was crying on this part...most of us hated Chappelle, but it seemed as though we began to like him.
RightWinger82 1 year ago
Jack could for sure kill his daughter. No doubt. you are wrong.
xj5bld4373 1 year ago
@xj5bld4373 No, he couldn't and he wouldn't.
drifter6276 1 year ago
fucking badass! even with no sound!
I only hope one day I get to off my boss!
PhatFarm60 1 year ago
Well because you're a faggot, Jack didn't get to, the President isn't God who exonerates Jack, that badge and oval office mean shit and if that was me I would have grabbed Jacks balls and torn them off, in real life there is "badass" there's justice and if you mess with people you get raped. If a cop tried to kill me to save thousands I would neutralize him like I would a hostile because in that situation he IS THE HOSTILE.
princepersia1 1 year ago 2
@princepersia1 Fuck you asshole, obsessed with faggots... looks like you're the one sucking cock bitch!
PhatFarm60 1 year ago
No you are, a person who thinks it's ok to kill innocent people is a FAGGOT.
princepersia1 1 year ago
Whats 'drifter6276' Chatting?
Hahahaha you should be reading it out load seeing as though it needs it's own audio :P
kenjilepb 1 year ago
Undoubtedly one of the most powerful scenes in the entire series. One thing the show does depict, and it's not just Jack, is everyone's willingness to write off collateral damage, until it hits close to home. Chappelle was known for being by the book, and making the tough decisions, but when it was his butt on the line, that all changed. Same goes for Tony. I think that's how it'd work for a lot of us.
haro82 2 years ago 12
No it's bullshit, you can't "Sacrifice" a person because you think it'll save millions. A million lives are worth no more than one life, AN INNOCENT LIFE. If this was a criminal who sacrificed someone you would think different, I'm sick and tired of people giving the badge extra rights, I would kill a cop like I would a criminal if he tried to kill me, HUMAN IS HUMAN. That episode and scene was one of the worst thing they could've written.
princepersia1 1 year ago
who ever uploaded this video and decided to ruin an epic moment, who else!
kenjilepb 2 years ago
You fucking wanker.
I fucking hate you.
You have ruined everything for me.
Ahhhhh fucking dick head.
kenjilepb 2 years ago
@kenjilepb who is that aimed at?
willcad 2 years ago 5
bahahaha shouldnt of youtube 24
lsmedal 1 year ago
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medevacs 2 years ago
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medevacs 2 years ago
Jack is a misguided, disgraced government agent who believes that right and wrong are only determined by quantitative reasoning
Back in Day 1 when he was a human being, he understood that there was something else worth protecting besides national security. Something deeper and more mysterious than a mathematical causality assessment
But he lost that connection with the world after the death of his wife, committing dark deeds he believed were right and blindly following a path to his own ruin
drifter6276 2 years ago
Remember, Bauer is responsible for his actions. Don't buy into the bullshit that "he had no choice." If it was Kim, he would have had "no choice" but to refuse to cooperate with Saunders. Just like how Palmer had no choice but to stop negotiating with terrorists after giving into them THREE TIMES. There can be no rationalization for the contradiction in his actions even from the dumbasses who dismissed his weaknesses as having his hand forced then called him a hero when he acted the opposite way
drifter6276 2 years ago
Aside from ethics, look at the fallacies in his argument.
He admits LA was successfully quarantined but says the potential was greater in other cities, even though LA county has one of the greatest populations in the country. (nearly 10 million, more than NYC).
He denies that women and children should be tortured and killed in this situation, which completely defeats his argument since he said that there are no principles in this situation, and that the terrorist must be obeyed at all costs.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Well, I can clearly see that I'm trying to talk sense to a childish, stupid, name-calling, retard so I'm going to stop there.
mopanov 2 years ago
I love the irony of this sentence, lol.
drifter6276 2 years ago
I hope you can all see the folly in this douch's argument. Understand that cold blooded murder cannot be justified under any circumstances. That we are a great country not because we throw ourselves at the mercy of terrorists but because we save lives in defiance of evil.
Never be quick to judge that the refusal to compromise will result in total loss. Have faith that doing the right thing will produce a favorable result.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Chappelle's death wasn't significant in anyway. Unlike Teri or Palmer, it didn't change the show's course or shape the story. He was just expendable fodder the writers were willing to throw under a bus for cheap thrills.
Saying his fate gave Palmer courage is like saying Fredo getting shot in the head gave Michael Corleone some decency.
As for Bauer and that despicable expression of defiance he wore when he murdered Chappelle? He fails to grasp that NOTHING is worth the price of your soul.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Like I said earlier, I can't take this debate seriously because the plot was poorly devised and half assedly (is that a word?) written.
The 24 flunkies loved it of course. But think about it, these are the same drones that pardoned David Palmer when he ordered Chappelle's execution, saying that he "had no choice," then applauded his subsequent refusal to cooperate with Saunders decalring "it was the right thing to do."
Like the correspondents at Fox News, you can't reason with these people.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Jesus that was a lot commenting.
jimmsens 2 years ago
plotwise this could have been done alot better tho. The reason for demanding chapelles death was poor and weak. As was david palmers acting after it happened. I think it was just minutes after that he stated he was not gonna negotiate with saunders any more...Which would mean that chapelle dies for absolutely nothing. Even minutes after it happened, come on...
Still, no matter its flaws, 24 is an awsome series and i love every minute of it so far!
Soulless99 2 years ago
Palmer felt so disgusted with himself he tried to renege on his actions, but it was too late.
drifter6276 2 years ago
agree that the plot forged this situation very poorly, but the idea however is indeed superb because most people have been annoyed with chapelle from his first apperance but most people also is shocked and emotionally taken by this scene just because chapelle, however annoying, never did anything wrong or illfull. He followed the book, as everyone is expected to do.
Soulless99 2 years ago
lol
some people are so sad that ryan is dead
i thank god
i never thought the writers would kill him off, just because it wouldn't really seem to make any sense
my brother and i cheered when he died
he deserved the silent clock because he was brave, but u should have heard cheering behind it
just my personal opinion
BigTEntertainmnet 2 years ago
If Saunders was so smart, he should've asked for the heads of both Bauer and Chappelle. Maybe Chase Edmunds too.
Neto808 2 years ago 4
He should've asked for Kim Bauer's head, lets see Jack do something "for the greater good". I DIDN'T THINK SO. Ryan was a little bitch he should've told Division and the media as well as the rest of CTU and LAPD. Division didn't even know that's what happened, they thought he died in the line of duty so Jack didn't make the decision, Ryan did. Otherwise Jack would've had his ass raped by Division and CTU. FUCK PALMER too dumb slut died himself, fuck Jack too.
princepersia1 1 year ago
@Neto808 Maybe that was just enough to ask and seem reasonable.
patu8010 1 year ago
It was a hard choice for David Palmer to make.
He didn't want to be held responsible for a massive influenza which would have killed millions and led to breakdown of society.
But as president you must display resilience beyond conventional boundaries.
What Palmer did was not only despicable, it was also cowardly given that he asked someone else to do it for him.
It shouldn't take an act of murder to make you realize that appeasing evil is wrong under any circumstances.
drifter6276 2 years ago
While Palmer is portrayed as brave and honorable on the show, he's as weak and pathetic as President Logan. Even worse given that he's a fraud.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Palmer didn't even have the right to make that choice, If Obama asked me to die for millions now I'd bury him. The president isn't God he's just another faggot who thinks he can do what he wants. People give WAY too much right to the badge and the oval office. When I walk down the street I treat a police officer as a treat like I would others, always calculating the threat, if a cop pulled a gun on me I would neutralize the threat. I don't care about his plastic badge, fuck him, fuck the badge.
princepersia1 1 year ago 2
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drifter6276 2 years ago
Jack compromises the mission when someone he cares about are in danger i.e. his wife, Kim, Audrey, etc..
To endanger the lives of others so he can have what he wants while remorselessly sacrificing people like Chappelle in the same situation is selfish and pathetic.
It's what's made him more one-dimensional and unfavorable as the show has progressed and another reason why 24 has declined overall as a series.
drifter6276 2 years ago
To do something this ridiculous just to shock the viewers and increase the ratings makes the show look trashy and despicable.
drifter6276 2 years ago
The writers obviously chose Chappelle to get whacked because he's such an unpopular character.
If it was someone like Tony or Aaron, then the scene would have raised a lot more eyebrows.
They should have killed Chase or Wayne Palmer. Then there would have been no controversy.
drifter6276 2 years ago
It's hard to take this debate seriously because it's such a stupid scene.
Obviously the producers were hard up for ratings, so they drummed up this half assed subplot for its shock value.
Jeez, Saunders wanted him dead because "he was working on a lead"
Doesn't that alert CTU that the lead is significant? And wouldn't it take just three minutes to replace Chappelle with someone who could do the job just as effectively?
Wait, they did. They got "expert banker" Chloe to finish it up.
Lame.
drifter6276 2 years ago
And the title is bullshit. Jack wasn't forced to do anything. He had a choice, and he chose wrong.
And if it was his daughter instead of Ryan, he would have chose differently.
drifter6276 2 years ago 3
if he didnt kill ryan, saunders would have released the disease and killed hundreds of thousands of people. of course he chose the right option he killed one person to save all those others lives.
willcad 2 years ago 3
Here's where your mistaken son. Your thinking is based on the same flawed theory of consequentialisism employed by terrorists.
You believe that because more people live in a given situation, any action which produced the result is justified.
Right and wrong isn't measured by how many people live and die.
You can't murder the innocent at the request of a terrorist no matter what the situation. There is a line that separates good from evil and that line can't be crossed.
Never.
drifter6276 2 years ago
We don't appease terrorists not to kill people. We save lives in defiance of terrorism, not in compliance with it.
By murdering Chappelle, Jack continued the massacre of his soul which began in season one. He lowered himself to the same despicable level of the radicalists who believe that a better world can only be achieved through the deaths of innocent people.
If the terrorists stuck to protesting instead of killing, they wouldn't be called terrorists, just political idealists.
drifter6276 2 years ago
drifter calm down
u have commented way too many times on this video
this never happened
it's a show!
BigTEntertainmnet 2 years ago
What defines terrorists as evil?
The act of taking innocent life.
Why does the U.S. policy state "no negotiations with terrorists under ANY circumstances"
Because it is the country's belief that any capitulation is aiding terrorism, helping that cause. And that is much, much worse than losing lives.
The terrorists are murderers. WE are not.
That is what the greater good really is. To do what is morally and ideologically correct and refusing to ever, ever compromise.
drifter6276 2 years ago
I can't believe I'm reading this tripe. Did you watch the show? One single infected person led to a quarantine of over 3% of the city, that's how lethal the virus was. If it had been released it would have wiped out tens of millions, or possibly the entire nation. Are you happy to let the entire country die horrifically just to protect your precious principles?
mopanov 2 years ago
Chappelle's life in that instance outweighed the lives of millions. Like Jack Bauer, you possess a flawed and misguided sense of quantitative thinking.
The moment innocent blood touches your hands, you become the evil you are fighting.
You can't save lives by murdering the innocent.
If it was the right thing to do, why did Palmer change his stance after Chappelle died?
In regards to the threat, you have to alert the public and try to quarantine the virus. Hard choice but the right one.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Stop talking crap. It would have been impossible to quarantine the virus, you know it, even if you won't admit it, and Palmer knew it.
He changed his stance because they had leverage over Saunders at that point.
But I know perfectly well that I'm wasting my time typing this. If you actually believe that it's OK to let literally MILLIONS die as long as your precious principles are protected, then you're beyond any kind of help or reasoning.
mopanov 2 years ago
Let's expose the bullshit coming out of the talking hole in this idiot's ass and educate him.
The virus was quarantined in LA, he even admitted it in his last post, which proves he's lying or a dumbass. I'm guessing the latter.
If you watched the show, you'd remember that Palmer didn't know they had a lead on Saunder's daughter when he made his stance. They didn't even capture her until later in the episode.
It's nincompoops like this who don't have a grasp of the facts who advocate murder.
drifter6276 2 years ago
According to this guy, fuck principles. The only thing that defines right and wrong is purely mathematical. It's OK to murder innocent people, torture innocent woman and kidnap (and possibly kill) children as long as the numbers support it. There should never be a line drawn because the only thing that makes murder murder is when it's done out of self interest
Yes, I would refuse to shoot my colleague in the head when a terrorist asks me to because I don't give a shit about millions of people.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Shame, I knew you wouldn't be able to avoid resorting to childish name calling for long.
I don;t know what you're smoking, but I never said anything about torturing innocent women or kidnapping children. I'm only referring to this one case, and I said that ONE SINGLE INFECTED PERSON LED TO A QUARANTINE OF 3% OF THE CITY, quite a bit smaller than the potential numbers in the other cities.
mopanov 2 years ago
I have no problem with principles if it's a case of a bomb or a hostage scenario, but if the entire country could be wiped out, then it's a different story.
I tell you what, I'll try you're discussion technique:
According to this uneducated idiot, innocent human lives are worthless and totally expendable if keeping them alive doesn't represent some great principle. fuck human life, all that matters is stupid principles.
Wow, even just typing in that style feels completely moronic!
mopanov 2 years ago
And of course, a buffoon like mopanov only sees everything in absolutes. That if I or anyone else refused to capitulate to a terrorist's evil demands, that we would WANT millions of people to die and that we don't value human life.
But even a dumbass like him knows the flaws in his argument. Understands that his cynicism and his ignorance is the source of his beliefs and ultimately what makes him wrong in this issue.
drifter6276 2 years ago
Well you don't need me to say anything to counter this. The second to last paragraph pretty much outs Mopanov as a dumbass.
He writes like a fourth grader and he's probably been there for the last six years.
drifter6276 2 years ago
But you just said the opposite of what you believe. Chappelle was innocent, does that mean one person's life is worth less than a millions? So you're saying a person should wake up in the morning and during the day be asked to die for others? BULLSHIT, the aim is to capture the terrorists, the US does NOT negotiate with terrorists, let's see Jack shoot Kim in the head, he should right I mean a million people will die but you and I both know he wouldn't, fucking hypocrite.
princepersia1 1 year ago 2
It's not because I, like any descent human being know and understand that there's something else behind my actions. Something far greater than a thousand is a lot more than 1. That there are laws laid down on this world by a mysterious and unseen power which governs how we make our decisions.
Stuff like values, ethics, and loyalty, are irrelevant to someone like mopanov who like Jack Bauer wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone he knows and in the head when a ruthless murderer threatens him too.
drifter6276 2 years ago
And maybe like Jack Bauer, all it would take to make mopanov feel differently is if it was someone he loved and cared for in the same situation. That if it was his daughter or his wife, the sudden realization would dawn on him that murder is wrong. That an innocent individual can't be sacrificed to appease evil no matter how many lives are threatened
By his own admission, Mopanov says principles are stupid and worthless. But how would he feel if he was thrust in the situation described above?
drifter6276 2 years ago
Precious principles? Why should a person have to die for others?
princepersia1 1 year ago
@willcad The math in this situation isn't relevant. You can NEVER kill innocent people no matter what the hypothetical scenario. Never. In this instance, Chapelle's life outweighed the thousands of other lives because the murder of an innocent human being is what draws the line between good and evil. It' better to defy a terrorist and lose thousands of lives as a result, instead of compromising and taking the life of one.
drifter6276 1 year ago
Exactly people make it sound like a million people is worth more than one, Like a life is just a number, as if people don't have lives, families, friends. Ryan made the decision himself anyway because he could've easily saved himself by calling Division, the media and LAPD.
princepersia1 1 year ago
He can't just decide to kill a person because he thinks its right, he's not GOD. A million people's lives aren't worth more than one. Just because he has a badge doesn't make him a king. Saunder's was going to release the virus anyway, its a US governments policy not to negotiate with terrorist yet they kill one of their own. Ryan made his own decision otherwise he should've called Division, LAPD, the media and announced it to the rest of the CTU workers. No one would have accepted it.
princepersia1 1 year ago
@willcad "If, what, would of, maybe" You can't kill innocent people under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. If it means hundreds of thousands of people, even if it means a million people, you can't fucking do it.
Man, this whole scenario was bullshit anyway, why are we even talking about it?
drifter6276 1 year ago
@drifter6276 He would have killed his daughter too probably, after season 1, Jack has no remorse, he is a human Terminator machine
PhatFarm60 1 year ago
@PhatFarm60 Yeah I've called Jack Bauer "Arnold" in the Terminator movies, but he would never kill his daughter. In fact Jack's a hypocrite because he sacrifices the mission whenever it's someone he's personally involved with. He had no problem killing Curtis in Day 6, but when Audrey was in danger he sold out. He sold out in Day 7 when Kim was in danger, he endangered the mission in Day 1 when it was his family on the line...It goes on.
drifter6276 1 year ago
Fuck Jack and to be honest in real life there is no "badass" Jack would have been raped anally LONG TIME ago.
princepersia1 1 year ago 3
@drifter6276 don't give me that sanctity of life crap! if that concept were real, there would be no murders or suicides! My uncle killed himself about 15 years ago!
FanJamesMarsters 4 months ago
@FanJamesMarsters Silly me for saying it's wrong to kill people. Yeah I know the concept isn't really real.....People don't hesitate to kill their own children when people tell them to.
drifter6276 4 months ago
stupid scene in the show.
drifter6276 2 years ago
stupid copyright
bushcrap2019 3 years ago