Hwa-Rang -- Traditional Tae Kwon Do Hyung (Ohdokwan)

[1986huerta05]

ese no es tae kwon do es tae mal do

[RolandStGermain]

If people are going to trash talk this man, you need to pony up some hyung videos of your own. This would only be good form on your parts.

[MathewJoki]

@RolandStGermain Thanks for the support! It gets annoying dealing with people who have the best keyboard-TKD style in the world. :P

[TheA8lee]

The best Hwa Rang I have seen on the internet so far, although that is not saying a huge amount.

[Sonkaldo27]

@TheA8lee see Jaroslaw Suska 5 Dan for the best.

[TheA8lee]

@Sonkaldo27  Korea TKD is also very good.

[Sonkaldo27]

@TheA8lee yes absolutely!

[Sonkaldo27]

 Jaroslaw Suska 5 Dan is the best, worth a look

[k9m42]

Well done!

[MathewJoki]

@k9m42 Thanks!

[09323317622]

Hey!!! Mathew Joki your Hwa Rang Pattern is suck!!! You are WTF-"What The Fuck." it's okay you wear WTF uniform because you are WTF men. . .

[MathewJoki]

@09323317622 Hey!!! Troll! You don't even have another balls to put up your own videos for everyone else to trash. Grow a pair of balls and show us how crappy YOUR forms are so that we can all sit comfortably behind out computers and talk $h!t about how bad your videos are.

[09323317622]

@09323317622

your hwoa-rang form are meaning less and disgusting! my be you cannot explain on what yo do on your form!

every movement in hwoa-rang has a purpose and your movement are nothing but only a trash!

[MathewJoki]

@09323317622 I don't even know what you just said... still waiting for you to have the courage the post a video of your own forms online thought. Let me know when that happens.

[376tke]

If he is performing ITF "Oh Da Kwan" form, why is he wearing a V-Neck WTF uniform?

[MathewJoki]

@376tke Right, you're not actually playing basketball unless you're wearing Air Jordans either. Attire does not dictate the sport or art that you are doing.

[williamangeles]

@MathewJoki if you are doing an ITF tul an specially Hwarang tul you should know all the techniques of the pattern at less!!! but you don´t even know how to move like an ITF white belt cause you are WTF!!! if you want to learn ITF paterns, you should change to ITF my friend..

[bryan3631]

no entiendo porque va tan rapido y hace esos movimientos tan extraños

[xMonsterEcliipez]

shit..not bad bro...Serene for Gfx Prez..!!

[MathewJoki]

@xMonsterEcliipez Thanks breh! Check out my channel for more martial arts vids and drop me a sub if you want to see more coming soon!

[trademark6]

sine-wave isnt taught in all TKD styles. I'll probably get some ignorant lout replying to this who says that it is, but its not. 

[MathewJoki]

@trademark6 Thanks for the support. There are a lot of ignorant ppl out there who think it's sine-wave or nothing at all. Check out some of my other video posts if you're interested in more non-sine-wave TKD forms. Respect!

[1234567eminemfan]

This is terrible: there is no form rhythm and it looks like someone trying to work out in a gym. No signs of the theory of power. too rushed and about 1000 mistakes.

[warrlic2]

@Matthewjoki yes they do and there is evidence but im guessing that won't make it through your thick skull another big name is the very founder of Taekwon-Do he used sine wave he spent his life trying to keep Taekwon-do pure that is what angers me is people like you who could never understand Taekwon-Do and it's whole

[warrlic2]

@Matthewjoki GSP and Anderson silva and as I mentioned before that many martial artists use the sine wave without knowing the biggest name I can think of is Bruce Lee he learnt many of his kicks in detail from ITF,( WTF was also involved) especially Bruce lee's legendary side kick

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 No they don't. They use kinetic translation (as found in Karate and Muay Thai -- their respective base martial arts) to generate power through transitioning as much bodily mass as possible directly into a strike. You attempt at free association with know basis on fact or evidence is pathetic to be honest. You obviously have nothing more to contribute with your ignorant view on the matter, so I won't waste my time responding to your comments any more.

[Sonkaldo27]

@MathewJoki sorry to be annoying but it is 'no' rather than 'know' Internet is very annoying because people are fast to criticise and I think it is good that you post your videos. I find it interesting. When I am brave enough I will post mine too :) I don't know anything about Karate etc. but I do know that Choi worked hard to develop TaeKwon Do and he did insist on sine wave. That said I respect those who also practice without sine wave as that was where it comes from.

[warrlic2]

@Matthewjoki the reason I stated my instructors awards is because he is world recognized as one of the best instructors in the history of taekwondo therefore his teaching of ITF is correct and not self proclaimed

[warrlic2]

@Matthewjoki it's a proven fact that sine wave increases power and speed many martial arts use the sine wave concept subconsciously. Also Bruce lee's infamous side kick was taught in greater detail to him by TKD if you look closely it is a sped up version of the sine wave.

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 Step into a Muay Thai ring and let me know how that "scientifically proven" increase in power works for you.

Google "tae kwon do sine wave" and read the first article that pops up. And then go look at Wikipedia and read their article. Then you just might see how wrong you are about what you think you know about TKD.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki firstly if you think that muay thai is a superior martial art why are you wasting time on this one and yes i have been to mma tounaments before where muay thai, and other such martial arts do not have the majority of medalists,now there are many talented martial artist out there that do not use the sine wave but there are also many who use the sine wave.i reasearched it and look what he states under "First though, let me clear up why I refer to the above as very old, original & new."

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 1) I've trained in multiple martial arts, including spending a year in Thailand training MT full time, because I'm not ignorant, nor arrogant enough to think that a single martial art is perfect in its own right.

2) Name a SINGLE big name MMA (or similar) fighter who has utilized sine-wave TKD effective and even so much landed himself in title contention.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki you cannot base your facts on some random website that claims to know about the origions of taekwondo when there is in fact a date to date confirmed encyclopedia that shows the history of taekwondo also this site you provided even agreed that sinewave was very useful

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 You cannot dispute that there was never a time when TKD did not use sine-wave. Also to my knowledge there is barely a paragraph in the entire encyclopedia regarding sine-wave principle (feel free to cite passages to correct me). And furthermore, you do realize that there are FOUR entirely different organizations trying to state claim to "ITF"? Take it up with them if you're upset about the "sine-wave situation" of TKD.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki Taekwon-Do does produce maximum power in accordance with the principle of kinetic energy. By examining the formulas we found that if the Taekown-Do practitioner generates speed with balance, concentrates his force into as small an attacking tool as possible in the shortest time as possible, and uses his hip and abdomen to maximize the amount of body mass utilized in a technique, then maximum amount power will be generated.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki In Taekwon-Do the sine wave enhances the body’s ability to generate speed and acceleration because the martial artist must relax to perform the motion. When the body is relaxed it generates more speed and power. Finally, employing the sine wave helps accelerate the body into a target, which also produces power. The sine wave and the six elements of the theory of power are fundamental elements of Taekwon-Do training and they cannot be ignored or taken in isolation

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 Wikipedia: "There are two branches of taekwondo development:  * "Traditional taekwondo" typically refers to the martial art as it was established in the 1950s and 1960s in the South Korean military..... * "Sport taekwondo" ... is in turn subdivided into two main styles.... the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF). The other comes from the International Taekwon-Do Federation (ITF)."

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki however the sport ITF taekwondo was created by General choi hong hi who was the one who created taekwondo and introduced it to the korean army.

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 From another article:

"These three main variations can be seen as:

1.Very old, almost Karate type performance - emphasising lots of hip twist, off-turned shoulders & no knee-spring or sine-wave motions

2.Original, emphasising both hip twist & knee spring, but not sine-wave per se.

3.New, emphasising little or no hip twist or knee spring & lots of sine wave (as it is now taught!)"

[warrlic2]

@Matthewjoki if you do not like the sine wave principal then you should make up your own variation of taekwondo and not call it ITF taekwondo l

[warrlic2]

The art and it's way

[warrlic2]

@Matthew Joki TKD is on par with JKD as being the most scientifically proven martial art in the world now because this is true and General Choi Hong Hi did include sine wave as an important part of TKD so if you can't accept this and want to continue doing the weaker version of TKD then please remove the traditional from your title as it no longer is and by keeping that title on you are discrasing

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 So why aren't the greatest fighters in the world coming out of sine-wave inspired martial arts like TKD and JKD? Just something I've always be curious about... (Also, sine wave was developed in the 50s-60s... Doesn't sound very "Traditional" to me.)

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki ITF was created by general Choi hong hi who developed this with sine-wave so therefore this is not traditional *ITF* taekwondo and sine wave was developed in the mid 40s which is when general choi hong hi created taekwondo in japanese prison, it was officially established as a martial art in 1955.

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 1) Your facts are misinformed. 2) You still haven't provided a single reputable martial artist who effectively utilizes sine-wave in combative situations. 3) I'd love to see the "proper way" to do TKD. Why don't you post something instead of being a keyboard warrior?

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki 1) explain the points in which my facts are misinformed. 2) General Choi Hong Hi (may he rest in peace) himself used the sine wave while developing the martial art in the japanese prison in which he was held captive. 3) i dont waste my time and energy trying to post stuff that wont be able to make it through your thick skull.

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 Yes, Gen. Choi developed TKD in the 40s, but it wasn't until the 60s that he started implementing sine wave principles in order to further differentiate it from Japanese Karate, of which the Koreans had a clear animosity towards. But believe whatever fairy tale you want.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki My point was you should take down the title ITF as it is not traditional *ITF* taekwondo

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 Well then take it up with the International TKD Federation who endorsed the school I learned at and certified my black belt. Not with me.

In martial arts there are vast differences from school to school even within a single martial art. To claim you do it the "right way" but not be willing to offer and explanation or demonstration why your methods are so superior is both ignorant and cowardly.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki If you look at my previously directed comments below ( i think) it explains the purpose of the sine wave motion.

Also to claim that my way is the right way i would have to have factual proof of what the right way is for *ITF taekwondo* which there is in the taekwondo encyclopedia and having received instruction from an instructor who recieved the ITF instructor's award which has ony ever been awarded to two other instructors, one of which was the instructor of my instructor

[MathewJoki]

@warrlic2 And my instructor killed 4 armed guards in order to escape a Vietnamese prison camp at the age of 17, without using sine wave principles. So i guess we solved that "instructor d**k measuring competition." Use all the 'theory' you want with your martial ability, but the sad fact is that sine wave does NOT work in practical applications. Hence why the top fighters tend to come from Muay Thai camps and other non-sine-wave martial arts and not "real ITF" dojangs. Prove me wrong.

[JayMeDee]

This gentleman is very skilled...but I don't appreciate the comments against the "Sine wave" and slower versions of Hwarang. Difference in style, that's all. Like Kung-Fu and Karate....and every other martial art.

No need to disrespect a different style. Embrace them all.

[sjisjin]

Need to get in contact with ppl who knew the korean/danish brothers DO and TVE who did some amazing Taekwondo shows back in the early 90'...

[batemanTKD]

Very fast young sir. Be mindful of movement 15 guarding knifehand, and be cautious not to make to many small movements when moving from one stance to the next, also a bit of wasted motion during the L-stance punches on the way back down the floor.

I realize this is greater than two years ago (what rank are you in the video). I would love to see the progress you have made in that time!

TAE-KWON!

Korea Taekwondo Ohdokwan

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[batemanTKD]

Very fast young sir. Be mindful of movement 15 guarding knifehand, and be cautious not to make to many small movements when moving from one stance to the next, also a bit of wasted motion during the L-stance punches on the way back down the floor.

I realize this is greater than two years ago (what rank are you in the video). I would love to see the progress you have made in that time!

TAE-KWON!

Korea Taekwondo Ohdokwan

Sabum 09.165

[batemanTKD]

Very fast young sir. Be mindful of movement 15 guarding knifehand, and be cautious not to make to many small movements when moving from one stance to the next, also a bit of wasted motion during the L-stance punches on the way back down the floor.

I realize this is greater than two years ago (what rank are you in the video). I would love to see the progress you have made in that time!

TAE-KWON!

Korea Taekwondo Ohdokwan

Sabum 09.165

[youtunezzz2]

im sorry but that is just terrible waaaaaaay to fast...

[LuxATemporeNostro]

I hope you don't feel offended by my opinion, and feel free to comment on my sparringvideo's, 'cause i could use a lot of improvement^^

[LuxATemporeNostro]

I'm not saying that sine-wave is perfect, but it is a part of ITF TKD, and people should respect that, just as i respect other martial arts and i don't comment on them in a disrespectfull way (or at least i try to do that). If you're trying to proof that TKD has speed, flexibility, strength and technique, i'd suggest you show special techniques and boardbreaking.

[LuxATemporeNostro]

I still prefer the correct ITF way of performing it. You're probably really good at sparring, considering you counter every remark on patterns with arguments considering power and combat, but patterns are more than just power. The goal is to develop balance, bodycontrol, breathing and precision by following the movements in the correct way.

[boomerangOS46]

Still slower then what we are trained to do.... But looks better then some of the other crap that is uploaded on here which is start stop bob-up-and-down rubbish.

[MathewJoki]

@boomerangOS46

Thanks a lot! Hard to convince the haters the their "sine wave" movement is a crock. Check out some of my other TKD vids. PEACE!

[Liquidcadmus]

@MathewJoki mmhh.. how can it be "a crock" if the FOUNDER and creator of Taekwon-Do himself included that in the art?

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki There are some key benefits to using sine wave that are linked to the training secrets of Tae Kwon Do. Moving our center of mass in the motion of a sine wave require us to keep our arms and legs bent while the body is in motion. To keep the arms and legs bent during motion we need to be relaxed. Relaxing the body adds speed to a technique because we are not all tensed up with one part of the body working against another.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki Small increases in speed produce a large increase in the power of a technique.

*Secondly, when employing a sine wave we have to use the knee spring properly. That is to say bending the knee is what moves our body up and down as we move forward. Using the knee spring while our body is in motion allows our center of mass to travel along a curve, which by definition is another form of acceleration, which then helps us accelerate into a target.

[warrlic2]

@MathewJoki

*Finally, when using sine wave we are dropping our body downwards at the end of the technique with helps us use gravity to our advantage and keep our acceleration building until the point of impact.

[Sonkaldo27]

@MathewJoki 'haters' is a little antagonistic isn't it? I respect that you do TKD without sine-wave but we all know the same history, it is a choice. I read your dialogue with another, and I happen to agree with Choi's development of sine-wave... because he devoted his life to refinement of TaeKwon Do. I also respect you also for posting your videos. I will be brave enough to do the same some time. We also know that you tube is like opening Pandora's box though :)

[Sonkaldo27]

@boomerangOS46 you mean General Choi's refinement of movement in TaeKwon Do?

[thaleswow]

the worst I have ever seen

[elgrangrimorio]

no man, I've just view some videos...

I'll create an asociation PGBYBB

please give back your black belt

[whycantibefree]

sloppy, very sloppy sorry but that was way to rushed and not very tight at all

[4thDan]

As far as steps to improve...you might try doing it the "3-Rep" method as I call it. The first repetition is done VERY slowly. You essentially stop at every step and make sure your stance, hand placement, everything is correct before moving onto the next (yes, I know this is quite difficult for kicking, but just give it a try). Then do it 1/2 speed (checking everything, but not as slowly), then finally at regular speed. It'll help stance and technique. Good Luck! Train hard!

[MathewJoki]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[TKDdisciple]

Oh, I dont know, let's say.....Serkan Yilmaz? Tomaz Barada? Stephan Tapilatu? There's 3 for ya ;)

[MathewJoki]

I think you misunderstood the word "professional." By that I meant fighters that 1) have more wins than losses, and 2) have fought more than simply within there on discipline.

Nice try though...

[iceywolf1]

a little fast dude count it out each move count 1 and try to bend lower on ur stances but uve got memorizition down witch is an awsome start

[DJJUSSI]

that was shit.itf black belts dnt have black stripes around the neck this was itf pattern done by wtf student.

[MathewJoki]

My black belt IS under ITF.

[zambokschwammkopf]

under which president?

[TonesterD]

Lots of potential. In the first movement, lower yourself then step rather than leaning the upper body. When you block, bend the blocking arm more, covering a range of heights, protecting the ribs, and making it easier to grasp. Your back stance grew into a fixed stance: shorten it with weight over the back leg. TKD960's right about #15. I'll post mine as a video response, although I'm not entirely happy with it either. Cheers.

[TKD960]

movement number 15 is wrong. Its a Sonkal Daebi Makgi (Knife Hand Guarding Block) not a Sang Sonkal Makgi (twin knifehand block). I thought it was ok just a little rushed! ***

[MathewJoki]

Thanks for the comment. Will work to correct that.

[sirmixaloot78416587]

i dont want to offend but that is the worst perfomance of hwarang that i have seen.. the steps are good but waaaaay to fast... no ondulation,, no power... try seeing a jarslaw suska hwarang tul

[MathewJoki]

if you think all that bouncing sine wave crap means more "power" then i feel very sorry for you for being so very dissillusioned, not to offend you.

And yes, i agree it is fast and some moves are not as crisp as they should be and blend into the next, however.

[76shazza]

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with sirmixaloot & DJJussi, ITF style has sinewave. There is none present. Whether you like it or not, sinewave is a part of all ITF patterns, as General Choi incorporates this to take into effect newton physics to generate power. I would know, I am a ITF Black Belt who competed at the ITF World Champs.  Sorry to disappoint you, but I would suggest actually looking at videos of ITF Hwa Rang. This does look very much like WTF, which I have also competed in.

[MathewJoki]

ITF post mid 1970s has sine-wave.

ITF pre 1970s (ie. "Oh Do Kwan") did not and does not.

[TKDdisciple]

How can you possibly justify that sine-wave motion is crap? The simplest explanation I can give you for the actual use of sine-wave is, stand on a set of scales. Let's say you weigh 11st. Perform sine-wave motion on a set of scales, you go up to 13st for that fraction of a second. Sine-wave brings in much more power and weight advantage. The title said "Traditional ITF" If you think this was traditional ITF then i feel very sorry for you for being so very dissillusioned, not to offend you.

[MathewJoki]

Name one single professional fighter or martial artist that uses sine-wave effectively.

End of debate.

[TonesterD]

So why not jump as high as you can, stomp as you land (so the scales would measure more), then do your movement? Try to make body mechanics simpler than they are and you miss important insights. Anyone who thinks F=ma can be trivially applied to maximise power is sadly ignorant. Youtube search - Kanagawa hip rotation - and learn something about the explosive power Shotokan had/has and taekwondo lost under Choi and the ITF....

[TonesterD]

Correction: Kagawa... (Kanagawa is a nearby prefecture - had it stuck in my head).

[MathewJoki]

So what you're saying is that the only use for generating power with sine wave is when you're standing on top of someone. Thanks, I'll be sure to utilize it then! Fact of the matter still remains that no single fighter of any sort of merit utilizes sine wave principles and those who claim to train and practice sine wave simply through them out the window and flail their limbs needlessly when fighting. And tell who you think hits hard: Muay Thai fighter, or Taekwondo guy using sine wave?

[antonyudin]

Ну вы и идиоты нерусские.

[MCLAREN018]

what the fuck is that ?? its certainly not hwa rang :)

[Kwon85]

there are some mistakes in this form

[gcarmini]

Po ele ta com pressa pra ir aonde po estragou o Hyong

[crozieey]

i think u dont have to be in rush..

in ITF, pattern is a part of art.. so, u must learn more about pattern and what it is used for.. in patterns, we use technique and power.. i don't see your technique and power at all..

so, do your best and learn more from instructor..

[BigTallOx]

Not all ITF schools use the sine wave ( mine didn't ). Also, even if it was slowed down to half speed, there are still issues with stance, chambering, etc. This person has potential, but IMHO taekwondo is an art, and I don't see much artistry in this form.

[MathewJoki]

Might you suggest a video to me with proper stance, chambering and artistry then?

[tequilakong]

I think many of the stance and chambering issues are a result of the rushed pace. Slow it down and the rest will fall into place, though you don't rush any more than most shodans know. I always tell my students to savor the form, to have fun and enjoy it.

It's nice to see another poster with other arts influencing their TKD patterns. It adds a lot more life rather than making it look mass produced and robotic. Keep up the good work.

[KoreaTKD]

Is this your pattern??

[MathewJoki]

Yes, this is me. I think that I rushed it, and there are some things that I'm not happy with. Do you have any suggestions? Your channel is my favorite for TKD forms!

Best Regards,

Mathew.

[Liquidcadmus]

Didnt' expect to see this from Canadian TKD. you use a WTF Dobok, and You do your tul in a very strange way.. like an american would do it.(no sinewave and in a huge rush)

Maybe it's just your line of ITF that practices it like this. do you know who the president of your ITF line is? Im just curious :)

[MathewJoki]

Yes, I agree that the form is rushed. Personally, that is my biggest criticism of myself during this performance. I realize that each of my movements would benefit from a stronger punctation. Being that my instructor has 40+ years of training in kung fu and other more internal forms, our sinewave principle is translated into a more internal, subtle, sort of movement that doesn't telegraph intention. I was awarded my 1st Dan by 5th Dan black belt Hai Ma, under the ITF president Chang Ung.

Peace!

[exactlythat]

hey hey hey dont be thinking that canadian ITF sucks now

[lounakin]

It's strange to see it that way! I think I detected a few times where it seems you really want to bounce! lol