Singapore debates legal organ trade -- 27 August 2008

[loverboydada2]

i want to sell my kidney anyone who needs it pls email me

[gunman806]

As for pragmatics, legalizing the organ trade would easily address supply deficiencies. Thousands of deaths per year result from shortages and thousands more could receive a method to escape poverty.

[gunman806]

Concerning principle, why should I not possess the right to do what I wish with my bodily domain? What gives the majority or the state the right to intervene? As well, why is it the case that semen and blood plasma are legal to sell while kidneys and livers are not? This arrangement strikes me as extremely inconsistent.

[ntn1987]

selfish bastard, why cant people accept their fate? plants and animals accept theirs, why cant we accept ours?

[wabdinur]

Would you say the same thing if you were on that death bed?

[ntn1987]

yes, we all gonna die!

[wabdinur]

Death is inevitable but with the miracle of science/medicine, we can prolong our span of life.

[ntn1987]

Then do so without the cost of another human being.

[wabdinur]

It's up to people if they want their organs to be donated. I'm sure there are medical researches out there that are looking for alternatives to organ donations.

[ntn1987]

A donation doesn't equate to a trade, there's a monetary difference.

[wabdinur]

You're right; no price should be set on organ transplantation.

[livenlearn1226]

According to Lastnymleft's reasoning, child trafficking should be legal too. Under the guise that people can have more than one child, like that of kidneys, for the child's well-being and from freedom from poverty. Why don't you sell your soul too along with your eye, hand, and leg if human parts trade is to be legalized? Ridiculous logic!

[cygnetomega]

Can't they just grow these yet? So low tech. As for souls, I fear there is a form of spiritual monopoly / soul trafficking going on as well if you can figure it out . . .

[NISAsalik]

Hi kak Ina.

[linah89]

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[teemuruskeepaa]

I agree with Mohammed Nasal. The Doctor uses the guilt argument, that you should feel guilty of the sick. It does not hold much reason. The healthy people have a right to live their own lives as free and healthy as possible. Just as they deserve economic freedom to spend their lives as they please, they also deserve the right be healthy, not to mention physical security. Medical surgeries are invasive. That is utilitarian, inhumane and simply a bad idea.

[lastnymleft]

"Just as they deserve economic freedom to spend their lives as they please"

Right. And that means being able to sell a kidney if they want to.

Uncoerced contracts between consenting adults are no place for governments.

The only time governments should get involved is if the trade becomes black market - which it is now, because it has been made illegal.

[linah89]

His name is Mohd Nazel...he is my dad...

[ratonnewmex]

what is wrong with this fucking world

[teemuruskeepaa]

Excuse me, sir? Isn't this just what the bourgeois always does: Makes you sell them your kidney?

[lastnymleft]

Listen to 1:28-1:43 again. None of them regret having sold a kidney/portion of liver, and if it was legal, many more would do it. By voluntarily selling 7cm of his liver, his life has changed for the better. Who are you to enforce poverty on people when they have a way out?

[teemuruskeepaa]

I believe those people's decision is 'weakened' by their economic predicament. If they could, they wouldn't go to be cut up and destroying their health for the rest of their lives. It is typical for the rightists, who fail to see the backround or people's choices. You claim that any choice fits into the definition of a free choice. No way man!

[lastnymleft]

As I said, who are YOU to enforce lifetime poverty on these people just because you have some high-and-mighty sense of moral righteousness?

Would they sell a kidney if they were rich? Probably not. But they're not rich. They are poor, and this is a way to break free from the poverty-trap. It is the height of arrogance for you - from the comfort of your middle-class home - to pontificate righteousness to these people, overriding their decisions

People should BE ABLE TO sell their virginity, too

[teemuruskeepaa]

Ok, now you're attacking my status by accusing me of dictatorship. Telling how this is wrong is not oppressing you. You've got it all backwards. You don't have what it takes to tell people to sell their kidneys. No one doesn't have to sell a kidney to improve their living standards, because loss of health will lower it more, permanently. And if some people just sell them for fun, that's a sign of weakness of the character and not a matter of the law.

[lastnymleft]

"you're attacking my status by accusing me of dictatorship"

You're a socialist. That's your modus operandi: use of coercion/force to mold the world as you see fit. Elitism at its rank worst.

You started with a lie:

"Isn't this just what the bourgeois always does: Makes you sell them your kidney?"

and followed it up with more of the same:

"You don't have what it takes to tell people to sell their kidneys"

...continued.

[lastnymleft]

NOBODY is MAKING ANYBODY sell them a kidney. This is a voluntary contract between two consenting adults, and you want to override their own decisions and impose your own. Seems the only one wanting to MAKE people do ANYTHING is YOU!

Having one kidney =/= bad health it just means increased risk should you develop a problem with your remaining kidney in the future. But how many people have problems with their kidneys that wouldn't be shown by the pre-op tests? Bugger all so it's a reasonable risk