Asinine Theist Argument Cannot judge god by man's standards

[julzabro]

If I was a god, I would make all my creatures so dumb that they r unable to judge me so that way I can be as IMMORAL as I want and they won't notice!

[julzabro]

I always wonder how THEY judged God to BE God withOUT using their own standards! Lol! Great vid!

[Cootabux]

Hello AP, I'd like to respond to that question from a bit of a different angle, if I may.

Since the biblical god has given us his standards of how he wants us to think and act, he's leveled the playing field. He's given us a common reference point & we "can" judge him from it. For example, the biblical god has violated every commandment he's imposed on us. Forgiveness & mercy, he's shows none with threats of sending us to hell. Same with killing. He killed non-stop, so yeah, we can judge him!

[RadarKat73080]

Just looking at the Bible, God's standards don't seem to be much higher than man's. God comes off as big of scumbag as Adolph Hitler! If Go were all-knowing and perfect, his laws would be perfect! They'd also be convoyed perfectly.

[Cootabux]

RadarKat73080

Good points.

But what find interesting is how theists can so quickly condemn human tyrants like; Saddam Hussein, but give a complete pass to more powerful tyrant, as their god. So are they simply worshiping and obeying this Cosmic Psychopath out of fear? I think so.

From a very young age, I knew there was something very wrong with the Christian comment that "we must love but also fear god." I could never honestly do both.

[RuinSonic]

@CaseAgainstFaith1 So how did you determine God's word was true by your own wordy standards or God's?

[CaseAgainstFaith1]

Theists always judge other people's religions by man's standards. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[TheAtheistPaladin]

@CaseAgainstFaith1

Christians are quite happy to speak about the barbarism that is in Islam, but happily ignore what is in there own religion. Unfortunately that isn't funny at all. That is quite pathetic.

[CaseAgainstFaith1]

@TheAtheistPaladin I didn't mean funny as in funny ha ha.

[OpenAirAtheist]

How dare you doubt Blahweh!

[firefly4f4]

One thing I don't like about this particular argument is that the reasoning behind it is usually end up being circular, typically referring back to scripture to say why such a judgement can't be made, and justifying that with yet further scripture because the deity said so.

It's typically an end-game, "I don't want to continue this discussion because it's uncomfortable" false trump cards that's played to end a conversation.

[unassumption]

God doesn't seem to want to be called Just in Job, because the author couldn't comprehend justice independant of a judge powerful enough to enforce it and as no one had that power over god, he boasts he's above justice.

Even today people differ markedly in what they believe is good. What we mean by moral words like freedom, fairness or equality; if we care about them varies too, as do what rules we have if we follow them, or how much of a virtue altruism is. Good for god is bad to most us :P

[unassumption]

We can judge him by the standards of humans living hundreds of years ago. Good meant something else back in the time of Homer and Plato. God's justifications for why you should do as he says (Deut 28, Job 38) are painted as poetic, but taken literally are 'might makes right,' the philosophy of most bronze age nomads, one I'm sure was intended as god's metaethic.

If we can't understand god the bible and church can't contain knowledge of him - they get around this with holy spirit power somehow.