What if Obama really showed his birth certificate instead of the FORGERY he had the audacity to produce on April 27th- Obama is a slick smooth talking politician who is an exellent speaker and likable but has covered his past history- If you GOOGLE "LARRY SINCLAIR" he talks about Obama's past history- I believe LARRY because I know Obama has deliberately hidden every part of his past at great expense-
I am a libertarian, and I agree, congress ppl who oppose obamacare should use free-market insurance. I oppose it and I use free market insurance. Feels odd to agree with a liberal......
@vegaskidd Good on you. Now if only the free market insurances were not controlled government supported monopolies. Then we would have a real case to compare.
There's nuts and bad ideas on both sides of the spectrum. That's why the sane people in both groups want america to go back to being centrist in political policy like it was before the Civil War. After that the government began to become corupt as politicians began being bought out to let certain groups get away with all sorts of dirty deeds. And it wasn't until after Theodore Roosavelt that most of it was fixed. And now we have idiots like Beck saying that he was a traitor.
@RenalJim even if when they do that, healthcare costs are skyrocketing. Also what about low income areas where the people cant get jobs with any or at least decent healthcare coverage. You cant just wave a magic wand and create jobs. Its time for health care
@RenalJim Hey, the "conservative" Right to (be exploited and endangered at but not a right to refuse) Work law in Texas got me a job. Doing roofing while Halliburton rented me out like a piece of equipment. To a pendejo who thought it would be a really good idea to save a hundred dollars, not buy a second ladder for the second job site. Free Market in action. Inaction? Anyway, he took the one ladder and had us using a conveyor belt as a ramp. That's what people do with deregulation.
@JonahtheFigPucker But that's what "conservatives" mean when they say "create jobs"
Well, the Job that got created for me netted Halliburtons Industrial Labor Services SLAVE MARKET 5 times what they paid me for MY labor, gave me minimum wage, 3.35 an hour at the time, out of which I was of course going to pay for a champagne level insurance plan, right? After going into debt paying rent, groceries, laundry, carfare, utilities,, you know, squandering my money like us stupid workers often do.
@JonahtheFigPucker Meanwhile breaking the unions, forcing workers to accept not being able to negotiate what WE can charge for OUR product, our labor, The Rich "deserve" a Profit margin but not the Workers who make their money for them? Ronald Reagan and the Bush Family gave them everything the "Job Creation" punkmeisters demand, and more, for thirty years. What have we got to show for it?
I personally have a permanently broken foot, 14 years after the accident before I got ANY treatments...
@JonahtheFigPucker And that treatment was through Medicaid and SSI. Halliburton not only didn't provide Private insurance (I was supposed to pull that out of my rectal orifice and that "lucky ducky" $3.35 an hour) they also cheated me on my Social Security. The Richest Corporation in America cheating their workers, imagine that. I fell 20 feet to the concrete below, if I hadn't landed on my feet it would have killed me. The "conservatives" would have liked that better. Funerals cost less than
@JonahtheFigPucker Health care, right? We the workers are treated as a commodity, we get thrown away after we're broken by the Rich Bitches and their policy of greed. They say if they're given MORE incentives they'll graciously give us more minimum wage jobs, no safety rules, no way for us to buy our own insurance and a concomitant demand that we do so. Debt Slavery. The top 1% own 90% of the wealth and still can't find it in their nasty craven hearts to "give" us minimum wage work.
yes senator durbin you have my vote stand up for those that cant speak on this matter and once again here"s a man that speaks the truth about the matter. give the citizens the same damn insurance.
I never attempted to state where your loyalties lie.... I simply pointed out a fact. You are the one making assumptions. I couldn't care less what you are, I stated my thoughts on the matter, so breathe deep and cope
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Gee... lets try to guess who the dill weeds are who voted thumbs down.... hmmm...
it's the same old Republicon mantra "What's good for me and mine is good for me and mine" and in the moral words (& world) of Dick Cheney... the rest of you can "go fu*k yourselves."
I have been out of work for more than a year & not for lack of trying. FL unemployment is nearly 12%, not including those out of unemployment benefits. The government decided to cancel EB as of 12/4 regardless of the fact that there are so few jobs. I would have no problem with paying my fair share if I had a job. NO ONE should have to worry about being able to go to a doctor or hospital, not even the poorest in our society. I am all for socialized medicine and I always will be.
@fizzybrasil .... Yeah too bad he was speaking solely of federal health care and its relation to health care provided hassle free for all of us INCLUDING YOU AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND LOVE instead of paycheck amounts and status quo .... maybe then you would have some kinda point. Your politicial affiliations have seem to taught you well the basics of spin if thats how you really feel after much thought and research. Or maybe you're just another mouthy brat who will long contribute nothing,
This is a great idea! Both sides should "give up their federal health care"! We can't afford it! They make more money than the average citizen and can afford to purchase health care in the private market. This would also give them an incentive to really fix the private market.
He has a great idea! both sides should "give up their federal health care"! we can't afford it! That's the point! they get paid more than the average citizen so they can afford to purchase health care in the private market. this would also give them an incentive to really fix the private market.
more tax dollars than you or a thousand of you could ever earn have already been squandered by the same criminals you would entrust to overese "universal healthcare"
Colaborte with "Almost everyone you know " and purcase health care. It's a service provided by another person, not a right..
You would be "selfish" in that you assume that it's the role of the Federal Goivernment to provide for you. I'm not sure what skin color has to do with it other than liberal identity politics you apply all while you demand indentured servitude of others to provide your health care
@varmfarm I don't want the Federal Government to provide for ME. I want the tax dollars that I pay to go to ensure my fellow Americans are healthy, educated, and productive. I have a college degree, great job, and above average healthcare. I'm not looking for anything to provided to ME. I believe in my country. Almost everyone I know wants their tax dollars to go towards universal healthcare because it is the right thing to do. We openly submit to paying for it! I work 10-12 hours a day!
@Subterfugitive So if I wanted to donate all of my money (minus basic living necessities) to some poor families in Vietnam, would it be right of me to get the government to tax you to support my charity. What if you rather support charities that support poor Americans? What if you rather support some poor family members? I think this problem is a little more complicated then what you asserted in your reply to "varmfarm" 8 months ago.
It amazes me how many people, who have nothing, no security, who pay their taxes, who will be old, continue to argue for the right to be poor, sick, in debt and with no safety net. Think how much money your job pays for your insurance now - imagine you had most of that back and still had insurance, and that because of that, everyone else did, too. We have lost sight of our good nature as Americans. We have become something crueler. It's time see that we are all neighbors.
Blue cross Blue shield (I think) proposed a 27% rate hike in California within the last 12 months. One of our US Senators raised a public ruckus. SUDDENLY the insurer announced this was a "CLERICAL ERROR" and a mistake. a 27% hike, whicj they would have charged millions of customers from that date forward, was a "clerical mistake".
Even after the Big Dig "Educated" cocksuckers in Boston haven't figured out how to make an exit from the MASS pike onto Storrow drive into the city that would require them to create a simple right hand turn. How are they going to treat your lung cancer? Answer - the same way.
@varmfarm This may be hard to believe, but fixing human bodies is actually a lot easier, if we're honest, than the largest construction project ever undertaken by the human race. Weird, I know.
When corrupt politics take a front seat to medical care it will have the same result
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Americans have been pushed too far and now it's time for people who think like you to relocate to a country that has a system like the one you want.
Do you understand that the country has begun the process of undoing the damage progressive politics has done for the last 100 years? We have the obama disaster to thank for educating people
@varmfarm We were leaders once. We've fallen behind. Through our history the progressives have dragged our country forward, kicking and screaming, but are in fact responsible for most of the things you take for granted today but don't even realize. Now, large portions of the world have moved past us and we don't want the country we love to fall behind. We were the innovators. Right now we celebrate the lesser educated. It's time for America to go back to school.
@varmfarm Don't disrespect "Enstein". He was a great man. He was the caveman that was spotted riding on the dinosaur in the creationist museum.
We can't innovate without education. We can't continue to celebrate ignorance as a likeable quality. Who are our biggest economic threats? India and China. What are the stereotypes about Indian and Chinese children? They are all over-educated engineers and math wizards.
I would gladly accept that stereotype. Thank you, my fellow countryman.
Since the formation of the Department Of Education and other massive federal programs with unionized employees our ranking in education has dramatically declined.
@varmfarm Tell us how applying a core principle of the christian faith and working together to make sure we are all healthy and productive will destroy the aspects of American life that are precious to you. Tell us about the founding fathers and their beliefs. I have a copy of the constition right here in my cellphone so I can reference it anywhere I go. What is your favorite amendment?
@varmfarm When was that? In the 1940s American science took a large step forward by reason of a great of technology being chased out of Europe ahead of the "social and fiscal conservative" Nazis and Fascists.
As for unions, why should only the Corporate Rich have the privilege of naming the price for their product?
I smell more than a hint of Elitist Bullshit in there, bubba. Maybe the Ayn Rand Elitists could convince people more readily of their superiority if they actually were better.
We're going to stop you from empowering the same forces that have destroyed our educational system and created a permanent underclass and prevent you applying them them to other precious aspects of American life- including health care. In the process we're going to restore the nation founding principals . Only then will US lead the world in education
@varmfarm I get paid more than most teachers by building websites. That is shamefully unacceptable. Everything we do. Everything our country builds or innovates is a direct fruit of the labor of our teachers. I wouldn't have my job.
Tell us what you believe the nation's founding principals are. Since I am a liberal I, obviously, have no respect for the constitution and neither does our president-- evidenced by the fact that he was a professor of constitutional law at Harvard University.
You're absolutely clueless and It's a good thing you're not a teacher.
Obama was a student at Harvard (none of his grades or transcripts are available) He lectured at the The University of Chicago but by NO means a tenured professor. He is on record with grievance against the US Constitution due to it's lack of redistributive powers. The Constitutions primary purpose is the application of negative powers to limit the federal government.
@varmfarm sorry this took some time to get back to - what exactly are you saying? Pushed too far? Damage of progressive politics? You're letting someone else's words fall out of your mouth and doing them a disservice in the act. All I get from this is that you are angry, you don't like Obama and you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
@mtb416 Maybe your TeaPotty heroin (she's a dope) Palin could help you understand that. Or Don Blankenship, who iirc was on stage with her when she said "don't sit down or shut up" while having the cops violently remove people for not shutting up? Blankenship is another big TeaTard idol, ain't he? He deregulated his coal mine and in one Explosive Moment created 29 Job Openings. The TeaTards and other RepubliKlan probably rejoiced over that, kill off some of them uppity Workers.
@JonahtheFigPucker And then BP used the same tactic to create 11 new job openings. It's the workers who provide for the wealth of the Rich, not the other way around. The company which destroyed my foot with their outright refusal to obey basic safety procedures made 5 times my wages directly from my labor. Then when they broke me they discarded me like just another broken Machine Part. Alle Sieg Heil am der Korporatisch Ubermenschen! Heil! Heil! Heil!
Is our healthcare system failing because many Americans are deathly unhealty and dragging all of us down with it ? Much like our financial troubles, the change must come from each of us individually.FYI to all , insults to each other are negative. We are all affected by this in our politics/hearts right now. Our children see the people who we choose to lead us conducting themselves like two year olds. We need to understand first and then work TOGETHER to find the solutions. "Be the change"
What he fails to say is this: what is in the "health care reform act" is not even remotely close to what the "federal employees health benefit program " contains and / or provides, for elected representatives like him. I have read all 2700 pages of the bill, and, aside from the boilerplate language that the lawyers are so fond of, it is already increasing costs to the individual and causing companies to think twice about providing this benefit to employees.
@www1952 Employees barely provide it at all based on my experience. Where I work, you have to work 30 hours or more a week for one full year, 52 weeks, in order to obtain health insurance through the company. However, most everyone who isn't a manager is a part time employee, and they will make a point to cut one's hours below 30 every so often to reset the clock. I've been there 4 years and still have no insurance.
@www1952 I'm not gonna lie - I doubt, strongly, that you sat down and read 2700 pages of legal mishmash. The implausible nature of that statement - as it is applied to the nature of the American work day and our culture of 'having no time' - calls everything else you are saying into massive doubt.
@hanksingle Amen. Halliburton skipped on paying Workmens Compensation, far far less Health Insurance, simply because Texas is a Right to Work state. They also took out my Social Security from my very limited wages, and simply didn't pay it into Social Security. Rented us out like equipment and with no benefit other than the $3.35 an hour the WSJ called us "Lucky Duckies" to be paid that little. No Social Security record of me even working there.
Excellent Senator Durbin...to the point and on target.
This is the way all Democratic Senators and Representatives should be conducting themselves - by standing up and being counted - and these are the kind of easy to understand facts that should be playing on the 24/7 news stations
@varmfarm I like capitalism but only a fool thinks we have pure capitalism here in the U.S. We are slipping away towards and oligarky ran by the corporations and billionaires. The facts bare that out. Our town of 12,000 has paid for all the infrustructure and the building of 2 Walmarts when the family has $88 Billion and the corporation has God know's how much. Corporations are casting off healthcare & pensions while robbing us. Socialize the profits & privatize the losses!
health care and pensions are only a public concern because of government tampering - if your idea is to fix it with more of the same I suggest you move to europe because Americans are not paying for you . In America YOU pay for yoo
@varmfarm I paid for my health care and pension even though I never got any of it. I paid 5 times what I took home to the richest corporation in America for the privilege of taking home less money than it took to survive. No insurance of any kind or any tort law in Texas that applies to workers being discarded like trash.
WE aren't the Trash, you elitist PUKE. You and your parasitic kind are.
Y tu mama tambien, puto. Hire somebody who speaks Spanish to tell you what that means.
@varmfarm But only corporations are entitled to make a profit from the sale of their products. The workers are expected to be content with less than it takes to survive and produce our labor, which includes health care.
The Rich Bitches don't pay for themselves, the people who work putting money in their pockets do.
You, sir, are a liar of such skill that I suspect Yo Momma taught you the trade. You spew some aggressive words, that the Workers owe you our work at a rate YOU demand.
@JonahtheFigPucker Hmm. if workers were given less then it takes to survive and produce then the workers would disappear. But I will assume for the moment that you were being hyperbolic.
If you take from Marx's law of wages (iron law of wages), then I have the following reply:
1. The iron law assumes that laborers are no better then animals. Who will simply reproduce to their financial limits.
2. Big business is big only because it caters to the masses. Meaning goods are shared by all.
@varmfarm And if we organize and demand a fair price for OUR product, OUR labor, you will simply hide behind the police and military as they fight for your profit margin.Typical.
Your military actions, unfunded as much as you can possibly make it by Your Class, have supported the same kind of Plantation Mentality, whole Plantation nations with the nickname "banana republics" where the workers are kept down the way you want us to stay down, right here.
Speaking as an IL resident - I admire the great job Sen. Durbin has done for many years. He came from East St. Louis, one of the toughest neighborhoods in Southern, IL and he has NEVER forgotten his roots. Residents of the other 49 states should be glad to have this guy in the Senate.
Well, I happen to be conservative, without insurance, and educated in the socialist doctrine. I am certainly not a "douchebag", and I shared this video, sincerely. Maybe you don't have all the answers already figured out.
cloudfoot3000 You are simplifying a complex matter. Yes we need competition between providers of health care, but we also need competition between insurance companies too. What your not recognizing is the HUGE profit insurance companies make. There is a HUGE difference between what they pay for our medical bills and the monthly sums they collect. There are problems with the medical providers to be sure but we are being ROBBED by the insurance companies!
@jlmichael9958 i recognize that insurance companies make profits, but i think you overstate the scale. let me be more specific about how health care costs are determined. take a cat scan as an example. a hospital group does not charge insurance co. A and insurance co. B the same rate for cat scans. that is because each insurance co. independently negotiates with hospitals for their rate. the same goes for doctor visits, drugs, ambulance rides, etc. when it comes (cont.)
@jlmichael9958 (cont) to these negotiations, the providers have leverage because they have the goods. the insurers have potential clients they can provide to the providers. so, the more policy holders an insurance co. has, the better their negotiating position. adding more competition among the insurers spreads the policy holders across more insurers, so each insurer has a weaker position at the bargaining table. thus, the providers can and will jack up the price. (cont)
@jlmichael9958 (cont) and there is another issue, as well. people are finnicky about their docs and meds. they want the name brands rather than the generics. and if their insurer doesn't cover the doc they want, they complain or change companies. so the providers have a little more leverage. it's an unintentional collusion between patients and doctors that result in higher health care costs. the insurers, therefore, respond by restricting coverage to only healthy people, (cont)
@jlmichael9958 because there's less of a chance they'll get sick. so back to my original point - the answer is to either get rid of insurers so patients have to take cost into account when choosing care, thus placing downward pressure on health care costs, OR to nationalize the whole thing so that the govt controls and stabilizes the costs. take your choice. either solution MIGHT work. i personally, am in favor of nationalizing it, because that makes the most sense to me. (cont)
@jlmichael9958 (cont) i'm just tired of people focusing on the insurers, as if they were the problem. they're not. they and their policies are the result of other root issues. if we're going to fix health care in this country, we need to stop bullshitting around and get to the real problem, which is far more complex and hard to deal with than these imaginary evil, greedy, mean old insurance guys that everyone hollers about.
@cloudfoot3000 If you don't think that ins. companies are to blame for the cost of medical care, think hard on the state of American medicine even 20 yrs ago. Tell mewhy the cost increase has been exponential while quality of care has remained similar- look at the pharmaceuticals and tell me why prices are uniformly 2-3x higher in just the last 6 yrs, same drugs. Same result. Huge cost increases. There is no 'real problem' - just people profiting massively off of sickness and it's prevention.
@hanksingle maybe i'm misunderstanding... are you saying that insurers ARE to blame, or that there's no specific group at fault? i agree that there's profiting off of sickness going on, and that insurers are one of the profiteers. my point's that increasing competition among insurers won't lower health care costs because those costs are determined by negotiations between individual insurers and providers.
(cont) therefore, you weaken the insurers and the providers WILL charge more. here's a fact: the insurance industry made something like a 3.4% profit last year. they're like the 87th most profitable industry. google it. they make something like $100 a year off each health policy. hardly the huge profit some make it out to be.
@theorbb1234 an increase in profits does not mean high profitability. if your profit was $1 in 2008 and $2 in 2009, that's a 100% increase in profits. it's still 2 bucks, though. furthermore, it looks like the bulk of that profit increase you're talking about is a one-time thing coming from a sale of a subsidiary company of theirs..... i got to say, i'm really curious as to why people fight so hard against the idea of med providers being even partially at fault for high health care costs.
@hanksingle (cont) people don't realize all this since they don't pay providers directly. if they did, then they might not ask for or accept unnecessary exams, and they might do some comparison shopping. these actions would put downward pressure on price. but this isn't happening, and wouldn't be practical anyway. that's why i believe that nationalizing the whole thing - like they do in canada and europe - would be the most practical solution.
The problem with health care is the insurance industry, plain and simple. Rationing health care through the use of morbidity tables and risk/return ratios stands in stark contrast with the Hippocratic Oath...yet that's the model for those who try to buy health insurance on their own. They are subject to the harsher business model that ultimately underwrites those covered by their more generous corporate "cafeteria" plan offerings. It's time for a single payer system. Period.
@jjb1310 you're right that insurance co.'s use morbidity tables. they need to know the odds of you getting sick and how sick you're likely to get in order to know what they can expect to pay out for you and whether they can even afford to do so. their business is gambling on your health. but insurance companies do not set the cost of care. they don't set the cost of procedures, dr visits or drugs because they aren't the providers. (cont.)
@jjb1310 (cont) insurance companies agree to pay your medical bills in the event you're sick and in exchange you agree to pay them a monthly sum. that's all they do. if you want to lower health care costs you have to deal with the actual providers of health care - doctors, medical groups and pharmaceutical companies. thus, as i said before, you either need to encourage competition between them, or nationalize the entire health care system. get it? this is the point that everyone misses.
@cloudfoot3000 I got it. I closed my argument by saying the single payer system was the best choice among the bad ones. Did you ignore that? The insurance industry will never allow the health care "system" to be consumer driven, therefore the choice is between maintaining the unacceptable status quo, or choosing the less onerous government run health care system. At least the government is ultimately answerable to the people. The health insurance industry answers only to its shareholders.
@jjb1310 i didn't ignore that. all i'm telling you is that the insurance industry is not the root of the problem. you state "The problem with health care is the insurance industry, plain and simple." that is wrong. you state "It's time for a single payer system. Period." maybe. if you're going to argue that the single payer system is the answer - and that is something i tend to agree with - you should be clear on why it is. saying that the insurance co's are evil is liberal jackassery.
@cloudfoot3000 I'm in no need of an economics lesson from someone who insults me, but apparently you need one. Just as the mortgage industry fueled an unsustainable housing construction boom with unregulated liquidity from China, so too insurance industry cash has made it significantly easier for health care providers to sandbag insurance companies, which in turn reward themselves with kickbacks. Explain to me how a commission based industry has any incentive to keep prices (costs) down.
@jjb1310 "insurance industry cash has made it significantly easier for health care providers to sandbag insurance companies, which in turn reward themselves with kickbacks." what does this even mean? the industry has set up its companies to be screwed by providers? the companies reward themselves with kickbacks? how do you kickback to yourself? or are you saying that the providers are paying off the insurers to allow them to keep fees high? forget it. think what you want. i'm out.
(cont.) hence, to lower health care costs, you need to increase the competition between drs or nationalize it all. to increase competition, get rid of insurance entirely and force people to pay for health care directly so that they're actually aware of the costs, comparing different providers and placing downward pressure on the true costs. otherwise, nationalize health care so that prices are controlled and stabilized by govt. otherwise, come to terms with ever-increasing health care costs.
Those Republicans pandered to the idiots and fools who never have been denied health insurance because of a "pre-existing condition". Imagine that. They would rather pick up the tab for people to go to a hospital emergency room. But they have a pre-existing condition, alright...anencephaly.
You are so wrong. Republicans pandered to the racists in this nation. I don't care if you agree or disagree but in America, right now, if you are not white and Christian then you will be on the outside no matter who or what you are. president Obama will never gain the support and trust of the majority of white America no matter what he does.
I like this guy. America has the best healthcare in the world......,if you're rich enough for it. Those of us who don't make 6 figures, however, are pretty well screwed. As a kid, my mom had to have surgery to remove an organ. Her insurance paid for her to stay in the hospital a whopping 2 days. On the third, she was told they wouldn't pay for her to stay anymore. My grandparents played nurses for two weeks until we could go home again. Her insurance is even worse now.
If your view of socialism is anything to the left of some imagined libertarian ideal that never existed than social security, medicare, medicaid, public education, police, fire departments, and defense are all socialism. I know ideologues who think that our government shouldn't do anything except protect the boarders, life, and private property. I respect their viewpoint but not that of Republicans who support some self-serving socialized programs but then oppose others on "principal."
John Boener is a hypocritical turd. He is only into power and money and he only represents the rich. He should give up his government health care if he thinks it's socialistic. But no, he may need it when he goes into rehab for his drinking problem.
The health care bill is fatally flawed. Start with allowing interstate sales of health insurance as there is for life and car insurance. Nothing like a little competition to spur innovation and price competition.
@jrobbart The Republicans put in 100 amendments to the bill and still voted against it. They originally wanted it when it was their idea. I live in Mass. where Mitt Romney as governor put it into place. It works well here where everyone is required to have health insurance and was set up to be a model for the country. Republicans are hypocrits and aren;t about to give up their "socialistic" government health care. Good health care is a right not a privilege.
@jrobbart the idea that increasing competition between health insurance companies will reduce health care costs is fatally flawed. the reason for this is simple, though most people don't see it: insurance companies don't set the price of health care, and never have. they pay the cost on our behalf when necessary, and we pay them a monthly fee in exchange. the cost of health care is set by drs, medical grps and drug co.'s since they're the ones who actually provide the goods and services.
Hooray for Senator Durbin! For once, here is a man who speaks the TRUTH!!! While healthcare may be great for those who have wonderful insurance plans (LIKE the federal health care plan), for those of us who have no insurance or are underinsured, healthcare or at least the level of care is not so good. While other modern civilizations have great national healthcare plans that care for ALL of their citizens, the U.S. has none. For shame!!! The gap between the rich and poor expands.
Those other modern civilizations you describe have socialized healthcare. Durbin and the rest of the democrats apparently dont have the balls for that...but they do however have the balls to bail out Wall St to the tune of trillions in taxpayer cash when those companies screw up.
@char21272 Youre not "breaking" anything to me. When did I say I was a fan of George Bush?
lol It must be really easy for those of you who think of all social issues and politics strictly in two dimensions. Whoever isnt in love with Obama MUST be a Republican...whoever criticizes a Republican MUST be a Democrat.
This is why American politics is the way it is these days. People are more worried about right vs. left than they are about right vs. wrong.
@Gonzo707 I never attempted to state where your loyalties lie.... I simply pointed out a fact. You are the one making assumptions. I couldn't care less what you are, I stated my thoughts on the matter, so breathe deep and cope
BRAVO to my Senator. It takes balls these days to stand up for the right thing. I deeply appreciate these words, this outlook and I wish people would honestly listen.
News flash for you Tea Baggers ... this is a mixed economy that is part capitalist and part socialist. The reason for this is that most of you would get TOTALLY swallowed-up in a purely capitalist system and would likely be living out on the streets. Years ago your grandmother would be utterly destitute & without healthcare. Thanks to the kindness of others & yes, socialism ,she now has Social Security & Medicare among other protections. If you don't understand something just shut-up!
Durbin's rhetoric is so disingenuous as to be laughable. By the same argument why shouldn't we all have the same salaries and perks as U.S. Senators? Why stop at healthcare? I want to live in their houses, eat in the same restaurants and drive the same same cars as the wealthiest people in the country. Yes if everyone in the U.S. decided they want to spend a large portion of their income on healthcare the problem would be solved. But that is a denial of the way real people act.
@rob22x2 writes "You are an ignorant - you should get your head out of your butt." yet you state no points that might demonstrate my ignorance nor do you propose any argument to either refute my opinion nor support your own. I do in fact pay for healthcare insurance - a high deductible policy which requires that I pay out of pocket for most services but allows me an affordable premium. Perhaps that makes me a "bozodoll". I'll let you be the judge.
@benz2go What a foolish, silly, irrelevant argument. I'll tell you why not stop there: the discussion is about HEALTH CARE you moron. Typical conservative: never answering the questions put to them, always clumsily attempting obfuscation, trickery, evasion and specious arguments. Conservatives and christians: the most dishonest, self serving imbeciles around.
@FilthyReech Actually the discussion is about the ways people pay for healthcare and deciding the government's role in redistributing wealth. It's a pity that you make no attempt to engage in thoughtful argumentation to support your opinions.
@benz2go I don't see it as disingenuous at all. U.S. senators get those salaries and perks because of the burdens they take on in becoming a high-profile politician: hard work, long hours, difficult decisions, high pressure and constant scrutiny. It also reflects the prestige of their position, and the fact that not just anyone can be a senator. You might argue, of course, that their salaries are too high and they recieve too many perks, but that is beside the point.
@benz2go (continued) What Durbin is saying here is that EVERYONE should have access to high quality healthcare. It shouldn't just be a "perk" received by high-ranking politicians, or something that only the wealthy can afford.
providing a service to everyone IS a socialist plot. the delusion people have is that socialism == evil. big fucking deal it's socialism. our nation can easily afford it and it would help a lot of people.
ALL OF YOU HERE WITH YOUR LENGTHY REPLIES AND INJURIOUS LANGUAGE. Listen to the man. What is not clear in what he is saying here? Healthcare for all, people! We are all on this planet for a very short time. Are you out your minds! Are you out of you rminds!
HEALTHCARE FOR ALL , AND IF THAT MEANS I HAVE TWO WEEN-VACATIONS THIS YEAR, INSTEAD OF THREE, DRIVE A HONDA INSTEAD OF AN AUDI, SO BE IT.
@DominicJ, Your insult is quite fair. I am ignorant of far too much, but I study and research diligently to attempt to remediate this fact. By no means do I harbor favor towards the lazy self-serving intentions of generations of repub leadership who have not taken initiative. The current bill is (in my opinion & the opinion of at least 22 state AGs) unconstitutional. This bill isnt sustainable. Disagreeing with THIS bill doesn't make me ignorant. Believing reform isn't actually needed would.
@ehrichweiss, *I* have not been disrespectful. Most politicians are jerks. I do not excuse or condone their behavior. However I'm NOT a politician and I'm NOT a republican (registered non-partisan). You get to hold ME responsible for their actions because I happen to agree with aspects of their platform?
I was requesting for an individual that I did not in any way disrespect of insult to afford me the same treatment. How I became responsible for the actions of jerk politicians is beyond me.
Socialism is good for the wealthy politicians of the USA, just ask these 114 folks, (mostly Republicans, Conservative Christians and or T-Party members): Stimulating Hypocrisy: 114 Lawmakers Block Recovery While Taking Credit For Its Success: coreysviews(dot)wordpress(dot)com/2010/11/09/socialism-is-good-for-the-wealthy-politicians-of-the-usa-just-ask-these-114-folks/
@sandrahn, I would like to refer you to the site I said to Google. This healthcare bill is NOT "stolen" from repubs as your talking heads assert. I've given sources - you haven't (links not allowed).
Also, repubs not shut out of meetings? Our president disagrees. Perhaps he lives on this other planet too?
Google - "Obama says closed-door meetings were a mistake"
Also, try to grow up a bit... I've been very respectful in expressing my dissenting opinion on this video (knowing full well that it is not a popular opinion amongst the viewers of this video). While you are certainly under no obligation to be respectful yourself, it definitely doesn't help dialogue at all for you to curse, insult, and namecall unprovoked. I have NO problem with differing opinions - I welcome them! However, there's no benefit in your acting like a jerk...
@afcyrus , I have to disagree. The Tea and Republican Parties acted like jerks and apparently that won them an election or two. Why not model ALL parties according to those same methods?
If you think that there does need to be respect, etc. on all sides then perhaps you should start with your own party; every time you hear someone say something disrespectful(especially if you AGREE with them), admonish them for being jerks. It's easy to tell the opposition they're being disrespectful afterall.
Seriously? You're ignorance is astounding. For starters, I'm not a republican. I'm registered non-partisan. Secondly, you obviously have very 1-sided news coverage. The GOP has MANY healthcare reform ideas - that were simply not allowed to be expressed by the democrat monopoly the past 2 yrs.
Google "GOP Healthcare Solutions" (1st result)
Just because I don't like the bill that was passed doesn't make me anti-reform or that there aren't alternative solutions...
@afcyrus LOL Hilarious! The GOP has "many healthcare ideas!" Exactly - like the one that Obama passed, twit! The plan he passed IS A REPUBLICAN IDEA!!! The Republicans "shut out" of the debate? Unbelievable! You people really live on another planet!
@afcyrus Sorry But it's your ignorance that's astounding! This is a Health Care Reform, it's taken decades to get and in the mean time insurance companies have been making BILLIONS, and the poor and middle class have been suffering, and yes it may have some flaws and IT's Nothing that can't be changed, BUT NOT dismantled completely!! The GOP didn't want anything to do with it manily because they're whinners and complainers, even though it had many of their original ideas in it!
@afcyrus If you did some meaningful research rather than read the first thing that pops up on google you will find that a vast number of sources have noted that republican ideas have been incorporated into the proposed reforms.
Yes! Dick Durbin has been my senator for years! There is a reason he's one of the top rated senators in all of congress. More Democrats need to speak out. I agree though with people who say there are more than a few without insurance. My parents can't get it because of damn pre existing conditions. Those crazy duechebags can do about anything and get away with it. Did you know Blue Cross Blue Shield started out non profit? I guess when they realized how much money they could make off PEOPLES LI
Exactly right, right-wing Republicans always bitch about the so called "Socialisaton of healthcare" and the evil it insures, but as soon as one of their family members get sick....
Durbin had it right until he said "each one of us is only one accident or one diagnosis away from being one of those unfortunate few who can't afford or can't find health insurance." FEW? Did he really say "FEW"? Hello, Dick Durbin - 46 million people is more than a FEW!!! Wake up, "elected leaders".
"Finding" health insurance is NOT the same as being able to afford it, by the way.
I thought it was pretty funny that when all of the Town Hall meetings were happening, some of the Fleabaggers were telling the Politicians to keep their hands off of their Medicare.....Now I know what is going to happen when Republican'ts get going, they are going to change SS and medicare......Wall St will have control of it when the Republican'ts get through with their reign.
The only complaint I have about this sound bite is "those unfortunate few." There's so many more people without health insurance than just a "few." Other than that, I think he nailed it.
Let'em rot in the streets. If they don't want to pay for healthcare they shouldn't have to. No care for those that opt out. None. No insurance, no money, Die fast! Otherwise were socialists, oh god, not that please. LET ME DIE FAST!
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@dantheleo Well said dan, these liberal idiots that post here are just deadbeats that want the government to take care of them thier whole lives because life is just to hard for them, boo-hoo! LOL
@AlwaysRight41 i hope you're still saying that after you're financially corrupt due to medical bills, even after having insurance and working hard all your life. see if you're still saying that when you're moving into your kids house.
because that's all it boils down to for you dickheads. everything is black and white for you dipshits, and it makes me sick.
@AlwaysRight41 This liberal idiot paid his own way through college in the midwest and now gets paid in NYC. This liberal idiot has a better health care plan than you can possibly dream of. This liberal idiot supports health care reform for all. In fact, all of his friends went to college as well and now get paid in different cities across this beautiful country we call home.
Take the FOX stereotypes some where else please. I don't take intellectual handouts. I think for myself.
Those pesky Republicans....again! How dare they follow the law that democrats passed called "Pay Go" to have the funds to pay for all new programs before they passed legislation and implemented. Does it really matter, the states are defunding as many parts of the bill that they can like Pennsylvania and New Mexico. After a new Congress is sworn in the federal bill will be defunded into obscurity and on 1/21/2013 it will be repealed.
OBAMA 2012 !
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OBAMA 2012 !!!!!!!
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What if Obama really showed his birth certificate instead of the FORGERY he had the audacity to produce on April 27th- Obama is a slick smooth talking politician who is an exellent speaker and likable but has covered his past history- If you GOOGLE "LARRY SINCLAIR" he talks about Obama's past history- I believe LARRY because I know Obama has deliberately hidden every part of his past at great expense-
MrsMaryBoyle 2 months ago
Mr. Durbin got laid that night
gixaw 3 months ago
Dick Durbin is a horrible man! A true reflection of how uneducated his voters are!
alwayssmile4u66 3 months ago
I am a libertarian, and I agree, congress ppl who oppose obamacare should use free-market insurance. I oppose it and I use free market insurance. Feels odd to agree with a liberal......
vegaskidd 6 months ago
@vegaskidd Good on you. Now if only the free market insurances were not controlled government supported monopolies. Then we would have a real case to compare.
Cheers.
daobagua 5 months ago
@vegaskidd
There's nuts and bad ideas on both sides of the spectrum. That's why the sane people in both groups want america to go back to being centrist in political policy like it was before the Civil War. After that the government began to become corupt as politicians began being bought out to let certain groups get away with all sorts of dirty deeds. And it wasn't until after Theodore Roosavelt that most of it was fixed. And now we have idiots like Beck saying that he was a traitor.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago
I have a better idea .... CREATE JOBS THAT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE!! Or .... is that too difficult of a task for this administration???
RenalJim 1 year ago
@RenalJim even if when they do that, healthcare costs are skyrocketing. Also what about low income areas where the people cant get jobs with any or at least decent healthcare coverage. You cant just wave a magic wand and create jobs. Its time for health care
soxfan0408 9 months ago
@RenalJim Hey, the "conservative" Right to (be exploited and endangered at but not a right to refuse) Work law in Texas got me a job. Doing roofing while Halliburton rented me out like a piece of equipment. To a pendejo who thought it would be a really good idea to save a hundred dollars, not buy a second ladder for the second job site. Free Market in action. Inaction? Anyway, he took the one ladder and had us using a conveyor belt as a ramp. That's what people do with deregulation.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker But that's what "conservatives" mean when they say "create jobs"
Well, the Job that got created for me netted Halliburtons Industrial Labor Services SLAVE MARKET 5 times what they paid me for MY labor, gave me minimum wage, 3.35 an hour at the time, out of which I was of course going to pay for a champagne level insurance plan, right? After going into debt paying rent, groceries, laundry, carfare, utilities,, you know, squandering my money like us stupid workers often do.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker Meanwhile breaking the unions, forcing workers to accept not being able to negotiate what WE can charge for OUR product, our labor, The Rich "deserve" a Profit margin but not the Workers who make their money for them? Ronald Reagan and the Bush Family gave them everything the "Job Creation" punkmeisters demand, and more, for thirty years. What have we got to show for it?
I personally have a permanently broken foot, 14 years after the accident before I got ANY treatments...
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker And that treatment was through Medicaid and SSI. Halliburton not only didn't provide Private insurance (I was supposed to pull that out of my rectal orifice and that "lucky ducky" $3.35 an hour) they also cheated me on my Social Security. The Richest Corporation in America cheating their workers, imagine that. I fell 20 feet to the concrete below, if I hadn't landed on my feet it would have killed me. The "conservatives" would have liked that better. Funerals cost less than
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker Health care, right? We the workers are treated as a commodity, we get thrown away after we're broken by the Rich Bitches and their policy of greed. They say if they're given MORE incentives they'll graciously give us more minimum wage jobs, no safety rules, no way for us to buy our own insurance and a concomitant demand that we do so. Debt Slavery. The top 1% own 90% of the wealth and still can't find it in their nasty craven hearts to "give" us minimum wage work.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
yes senator durbin you have my vote stand up for those that cant speak on this matter and once again here"s a man that speaks the truth about the matter. give the citizens the same damn insurance.
evans940 1 year ago
Yeah, this is such a great argument........have you sensed my sarcasm yet?
If people are going to be forced to pay taxes on something don't be pissed when they use the services they have paid for.
mtb416 1 year ago
I never attempted to state where your loyalties lie.... I simply pointed out a fact. You are the one making assumptions. I couldn't care less what you are, I stated my thoughts on the matter, so breathe deep and cope
char21272 1 year ago
End the gouging and gangster profiteering of the 'healthcare' corporations. -- SickForProfit . com -- Single Payer Action: everybody in. nobody out. singlepayeraction . org -- Money Talks: Profits Before Patient Safety (film): Audio portions of the film: kpfa . org/archive/id/55066 -- michaelmoore . com/sicko/dvd/ ... moneytalksthemovie . com -- TheCorporation . com -- DemocracyNow . org
gregjalbert 1 year ago
Mitch McConnell has 129 sock accounts.
LafinJack 1 year ago
Gee... lets try to guess who the dill weeds are who voted thumbs down.... hmmm...
it's the same old Republicon mantra "What's good for me and mine is good for me and mine" and in the moral words (& world) of Dick Cheney... the rest of you can "go fu*k yourselves."
bookish01 1 year ago 7
I have been out of work for more than a year & not for lack of trying. FL unemployment is nearly 12%, not including those out of unemployment benefits. The government decided to cancel EB as of 12/4 regardless of the fact that there are so few jobs. I would have no problem with paying my fair share if I had a job. NO ONE should have to worry about being able to go to a doctor or hospital, not even the poorest in our society. I am all for socialized medicine and I always will be.
KathyS2008 1 year ago
This fuck should give up his pay to help those that don't make the same amount he does! Fair is fair after all.
fizzybrasil 1 year ago
@fizzybrasil .... Yeah too bad he was speaking solely of federal health care and its relation to health care provided hassle free for all of us INCLUDING YOU AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND LOVE instead of paycheck amounts and status quo .... maybe then you would have some kinda point. Your politicial affiliations have seem to taught you well the basics of spin if thats how you really feel after much thought and research. Or maybe you're just another mouthy brat who will long contribute nothing,
rg65 1 year ago
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This is a great idea! Both sides should "give up their federal health care"! We can't afford it! They make more money than the average citizen and can afford to purchase health care in the private market. This would also give them an incentive to really fix the private market.
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He has a great idea! both sides should "give up their federal health care"! we can't afford it! That's the point! they get paid more than the average citizen so they can afford to purchase health care in the private market. this would also give them an incentive to really fix the private market.
DDTstudio 1 year ago
FANTASTIC!!!!!!
Adrianawat 1 year ago
more tax dollars than you or a thousand of you could ever earn have already been squandered by the same criminals you would entrust to overese "universal healthcare"
Colaborte with "Almost everyone you know " and purcase health care. It's a service provided by another person, not a right..
if it's a right you'll need doctor slaves
varmfarm 1 year ago
You would be "selfish" in that you assume that it's the role of the Federal Goivernment to provide for you. I'm not sure what skin color has to do with it other than liberal identity politics you apply all while you demand indentured servitude of others to provide your health care
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm I don't want the Federal Government to provide for ME. I want the tax dollars that I pay to go to ensure my fellow Americans are healthy, educated, and productive. I have a college degree, great job, and above average healthcare. I'm not looking for anything to provided to ME. I believe in my country. Almost everyone I know wants their tax dollars to go towards universal healthcare because it is the right thing to do. We openly submit to paying for it! I work 10-12 hours a day!
Subterfugitive 1 year ago 15
@Subterfugitive because you are rich you forgot those who poor who will not be able to afford the healthcare cost.
HavingfunEnjoylife 11 months ago
@Subterfugitive So if I wanted to donate all of my money (minus basic living necessities) to some poor families in Vietnam, would it be right of me to get the government to tax you to support my charity. What if you rather support charities that support poor Americans? What if you rather support some poor family members? I think this problem is a little more complicated then what you asserted in your reply to "varmfarm" 8 months ago.
Cheers.
P.S. My examples are mostly true in my case.
daobagua 5 months ago
It amazes me how many people, who have nothing, no security, who pay their taxes, who will be old, continue to argue for the right to be poor, sick, in debt and with no safety net. Think how much money your job pays for your insurance now - imagine you had most of that back and still had insurance, and that because of that, everyone else did, too. We have lost sight of our good nature as Americans. We have become something crueler. It's time see that we are all neighbors.
hanksingle 1 year ago
Blue cross Blue shield (I think) proposed a 27% rate hike in California within the last 12 months. One of our US Senators raised a public ruckus. SUDDENLY the insurer announced this was a "CLERICAL ERROR" and a mistake. a 27% hike, whicj they would have charged millions of customers from that date forward, was a "clerical mistake".
sftrajan 1 year ago
Even after the Big Dig "Educated" cocksuckers in Boston haven't figured out how to make an exit from the MASS pike onto Storrow drive into the city that would require them to create a simple right hand turn. How are they going to treat your lung cancer? Answer - the same way.
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm This may be hard to believe, but fixing human bodies is actually a lot easier, if we're honest, than the largest construction project ever undertaken by the human race. Weird, I know.
hanksingle 1 year ago
@hanksingle
When corrupt politics take a front seat to medical care it will have the same result
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Americans have been pushed too far and now it's time for people who think like you to relocate to a country that has a system like the one you want.
Do you understand that the country has begun the process of undoing the damage progressive politics has done for the last 100 years? We have the obama disaster to thank for educating people
Go pack, please
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm We were leaders once. We've fallen behind. Through our history the progressives have dragged our country forward, kicking and screaming, but are in fact responsible for most of the things you take for granted today but don't even realize. Now, large portions of the world have moved past us and we don't want the country we love to fall behind. We were the innovators. Right now we celebrate the lesser educated. It's time for America to go back to school.
Subterfugitive 1 year ago
@Subterfugitiv
Mark the "progress" of the decline US standing since the beginning of Department Of Education. Great point Enstein
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm Don't disrespect "Enstein". He was a great man. He was the caveman that was spotted riding on the dinosaur in the creationist museum.
We can't innovate without education. We can't continue to celebrate ignorance as a likeable quality. Who are our biggest economic threats? India and China. What are the stereotypes about Indian and Chinese children? They are all over-educated engineers and math wizards.
I would gladly accept that stereotype. Thank you, my fellow countryman.
Subterfugitive 1 year ago
@Subterfugitive
I'll simplify this for you,
The US once lead the world in education.
Since the formation of the Department Of Education and other massive federal programs with unionized employees our ranking in education has dramatically declined.
This is unacceptable
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm Tell us how applying a core principle of the christian faith and working together to make sure we are all healthy and productive will destroy the aspects of American life that are precious to you. Tell us about the founding fathers and their beliefs. I have a copy of the constition right here in my cellphone so I can reference it anywhere I go. What is your favorite amendment?
Subterfugitive 1 year ago
@varmfarm When was that? In the 1940s American science took a large step forward by reason of a great of technology being chased out of Europe ahead of the "social and fiscal conservative" Nazis and Fascists.
As for unions, why should only the Corporate Rich have the privilege of naming the price for their product?
I smell more than a hint of Elitist Bullshit in there, bubba. Maybe the Ayn Rand Elitists could convince people more readily of their superiority if they actually were better.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@Subterfugitive
We're going to stop you from empowering the same forces that have destroyed our educational system and created a permanent underclass and prevent you applying them them to other precious aspects of American life- including health care. In the process we're going to restore the nation founding principals . Only then will US lead the world in education
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm I get paid more than most teachers by building websites. That is shamefully unacceptable. Everything we do. Everything our country builds or innovates is a direct fruit of the labor of our teachers. I wouldn't have my job.
Tell us what you believe the nation's founding principals are. Since I am a liberal I, obviously, have no respect for the constitution and neither does our president-- evidenced by the fact that he was a professor of constitutional law at Harvard University.
Subterfugitive 1 year ago
You're absolutely clueless and It's a good thing you're not a teacher.
Obama was a student at Harvard (none of his grades or transcripts are available) He lectured at the The University of Chicago but by NO means a tenured professor. He is on record with grievance against the US Constitution due to it's lack of redistributive powers. The Constitutions primary purpose is the application of negative powers to limit the federal government.
YOU can pay teachers all YOU want
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm And so goes the new selfish meme of white america brought to you by FOX half-time entertainment.
PS: Transcripts unavailable. Nice touch. It's creeping out now.
Subterfugitive 1 year ago
@varmfarm sorry this took some time to get back to - what exactly are you saying? Pushed too far? Damage of progressive politics? You're letting someone else's words fall out of your mouth and doing them a disservice in the act. All I get from this is that you are angry, you don't like Obama and you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Tea Party, am I right?
hanksingle 1 year ago
@hanksingle
I have the universal right for someone to rake my leaves
yoursisours 1 year ago
@hanksingle Yeah, and using the "Tea Party" as some pejorative is original material on your part. :MEGA YAWN:
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 Maybe your TeaPotty heroin (she's a dope) Palin could help you understand that. Or Don Blankenship, who iirc was on stage with her when she said "don't sit down or shut up" while having the cops violently remove people for not shutting up? Blankenship is another big TeaTard idol, ain't he? He deregulated his coal mine and in one Explosive Moment created 29 Job Openings. The TeaTards and other RepubliKlan probably rejoiced over that, kill off some of them uppity Workers.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker And then BP used the same tactic to create 11 new job openings. It's the workers who provide for the wealth of the Rich, not the other way around. The company which destroyed my foot with their outright refusal to obey basic safety procedures made 5 times my wages directly from my labor. Then when they broke me they discarded me like just another broken Machine Part. Alle Sieg Heil am der Korporatisch Ubermenschen! Heil! Heil! Heil!
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker You're one stupid fuck. I'm sorry.
mtb416 8 months ago
Is our healthcare system failing because many Americans are deathly unhealty and dragging all of us down with it ? Much like our financial troubles, the change must come from each of us individually.FYI to all , insults to each other are negative. We are all affected by this in our politics/hearts right now. Our children see the people who we choose to lead us conducting themselves like two year olds. We need to understand first and then work TOGETHER to find the solutions. "Be the change"
MaryandRose11 1 year ago
THANK YOU SENATOR DURBIN! Shall we put our money where our mouths are,my Republican friends?
eileentipping 1 year ago 7
What he fails to say is this: what is in the "health care reform act" is not even remotely close to what the "federal employees health benefit program " contains and / or provides, for elected representatives like him. I have read all 2700 pages of the bill, and, aside from the boilerplate language that the lawyers are so fond of, it is already increasing costs to the individual and causing companies to think twice about providing this benefit to employees.
www1952 1 year ago
@www1952 Employees barely provide it at all based on my experience. Where I work, you have to work 30 hours or more a week for one full year, 52 weeks, in order to obtain health insurance through the company. However, most everyone who isn't a manager is a part time employee, and they will make a point to cut one's hours below 30 every so often to reset the clock. I've been there 4 years and still have no insurance.
mewmew34 1 year ago 2
@www1952 I'm not gonna lie - I doubt, strongly, that you sat down and read 2700 pages of legal mishmash. The implausible nature of that statement - as it is applied to the nature of the American work day and our culture of 'having no time' - calls everything else you are saying into massive doubt.
hanksingle 1 year ago
@hanksingle Amen. Halliburton skipped on paying Workmens Compensation, far far less Health Insurance, simply because Texas is a Right to Work state. They also took out my Social Security from my very limited wages, and simply didn't pay it into Social Security. Rented us out like equipment and with no benefit other than the $3.35 an hour the WSJ called us "Lucky Duckies" to be paid that little. No Social Security record of me even working there.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
Excellent Senator Durbin...to the point and on target.
This is the way all Democratic Senators and Representatives should be conducting themselves - by standing up and being counted - and these are the kind of easy to understand facts that should be playing on the 24/7 news stations
NYTIG1066 1 year ago 2
if you don't like capatalism, give up your money
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm I like capitalism but only a fool thinks we have pure capitalism here in the U.S. We are slipping away towards and oligarky ran by the corporations and billionaires. The facts bare that out. Our town of 12,000 has paid for all the infrustructure and the building of 2 Walmarts when the family has $88 Billion and the corporation has God know's how much. Corporations are casting off healthcare & pensions while robbing us. Socialize the profits & privatize the losses!
petersdraggon 1 year ago
@petersdraggon
health care and pensions are only a public concern because of government tampering - if your idea is to fix it with more of the same I suggest you move to europe because Americans are not paying for you . In America YOU pay for yoo
case closed - if you don't like it go away
varmfarm 1 year ago
@varmfarm I paid for my health care and pension even though I never got any of it. I paid 5 times what I took home to the richest corporation in America for the privilege of taking home less money than it took to survive. No insurance of any kind or any tort law in Texas that applies to workers being discarded like trash.
WE aren't the Trash, you elitist PUKE. You and your parasitic kind are.
Y tu mama tambien, puto. Hire somebody who speaks Spanish to tell you what that means.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@varmfarm But only corporations are entitled to make a profit from the sale of their products. The workers are expected to be content with less than it takes to survive and produce our labor, which includes health care.
The Rich Bitches don't pay for themselves, the people who work putting money in their pockets do.
You, sir, are a liar of such skill that I suspect Yo Momma taught you the trade. You spew some aggressive words, that the Workers owe you our work at a rate YOU demand.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
@JonahtheFigPucker Hmm. if workers were given less then it takes to survive and produce then the workers would disappear. But I will assume for the moment that you were being hyperbolic.
If you take from Marx's law of wages (iron law of wages), then I have the following reply:
1. The iron law assumes that laborers are no better then animals. Who will simply reproduce to their financial limits.
2. Big business is big only because it caters to the masses. Meaning goods are shared by all.
Cheers
daobagua 5 months ago
@varmfarm And if we organize and demand a fair price for OUR product, OUR labor, you will simply hide behind the police and military as they fight for your profit margin.Typical.
Your military actions, unfunded as much as you can possibly make it by Your Class, have supported the same kind of Plantation Mentality, whole Plantation nations with the nickname "banana republics" where the workers are kept down the way you want us to stay down, right here.
Kiss my broken up working class ASS, bitch.
JonahtheFigPucker 8 months ago
Speaking as an IL resident - I admire the great job Sen. Durbin has done for many years. He came from East St. Louis, one of the toughest neighborhoods in Southern, IL and he has NEVER forgotten his roots. Residents of the other 49 states should be glad to have this guy in the Senate.
EdUCate4All 1 year ago 2
Well, I happen to be conservative, without insurance, and educated in the socialist doctrine. I am certainly not a "douchebag", and I shared this video, sincerely. Maybe you don't have all the answers already figured out.
xXxMissFirexXx 1 year ago
cloudfoot3000 You are simplifying a complex matter. Yes we need competition between providers of health care, but we also need competition between insurance companies too. What your not recognizing is the HUGE profit insurance companies make. There is a HUGE difference between what they pay for our medical bills and the monthly sums they collect. There are problems with the medical providers to be sure but we are being ROBBED by the insurance companies!
jlmichael9958 1 year ago
@jlmichael9958 i recognize that insurance companies make profits, but i think you overstate the scale. let me be more specific about how health care costs are determined. take a cat scan as an example. a hospital group does not charge insurance co. A and insurance co. B the same rate for cat scans. that is because each insurance co. independently negotiates with hospitals for their rate. the same goes for doctor visits, drugs, ambulance rides, etc. when it comes (cont.)
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@jlmichael9958 (cont) to these negotiations, the providers have leverage because they have the goods. the insurers have potential clients they can provide to the providers. so, the more policy holders an insurance co. has, the better their negotiating position. adding more competition among the insurers spreads the policy holders across more insurers, so each insurer has a weaker position at the bargaining table. thus, the providers can and will jack up the price. (cont)
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@jlmichael9958 (cont) and there is another issue, as well. people are finnicky about their docs and meds. they want the name brands rather than the generics. and if their insurer doesn't cover the doc they want, they complain or change companies. so the providers have a little more leverage. it's an unintentional collusion between patients and doctors that result in higher health care costs. the insurers, therefore, respond by restricting coverage to only healthy people, (cont)
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@jlmichael9958 because there's less of a chance they'll get sick. so back to my original point - the answer is to either get rid of insurers so patients have to take cost into account when choosing care, thus placing downward pressure on health care costs, OR to nationalize the whole thing so that the govt controls and stabilizes the costs. take your choice. either solution MIGHT work. i personally, am in favor of nationalizing it, because that makes the most sense to me. (cont)
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@jlmichael9958 (cont) i'm just tired of people focusing on the insurers, as if they were the problem. they're not. they and their policies are the result of other root issues. if we're going to fix health care in this country, we need to stop bullshitting around and get to the real problem, which is far more complex and hard to deal with than these imaginary evil, greedy, mean old insurance guys that everyone hollers about.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@cloudfoot3000 If you don't think that ins. companies are to blame for the cost of medical care, think hard on the state of American medicine even 20 yrs ago. Tell mewhy the cost increase has been exponential while quality of care has remained similar- look at the pharmaceuticals and tell me why prices are uniformly 2-3x higher in just the last 6 yrs, same drugs. Same result. Huge cost increases. There is no 'real problem' - just people profiting massively off of sickness and it's prevention.
hanksingle 1 year ago
@hanksingle maybe i'm misunderstanding... are you saying that insurers ARE to blame, or that there's no specific group at fault? i agree that there's profiting off of sickness going on, and that insurers are one of the profiteers. my point's that increasing competition among insurers won't lower health care costs because those costs are determined by negotiations between individual insurers and providers.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
(cont) therefore, you weaken the insurers and the providers WILL charge more. here's a fact: the insurance industry made something like a 3.4% profit last year. they're like the 87th most profitable industry. google it. they make something like $100 a year off each health policy. hardly the huge profit some make it out to be.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@cloudfoot3000 and yet Well Point recorded at 91% increase in net profits for 2009.
theorbb1234 1 year ago
@theorbb1234 an increase in profits does not mean high profitability. if your profit was $1 in 2008 and $2 in 2009, that's a 100% increase in profits. it's still 2 bucks, though. furthermore, it looks like the bulk of that profit increase you're talking about is a one-time thing coming from a sale of a subsidiary company of theirs..... i got to say, i'm really curious as to why people fight so hard against the idea of med providers being even partially at fault for high health care costs.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@hanksingle (cont) people don't realize all this since they don't pay providers directly. if they did, then they might not ask for or accept unnecessary exams, and they might do some comparison shopping. these actions would put downward pressure on price. but this isn't happening, and wouldn't be practical anyway. that's why i believe that nationalizing the whole thing - like they do in canada and europe - would be the most practical solution.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
If I'm going to be sick this is definitely not the country I want to live in, unless I want to be sick AND homeless. I would go back to France .
sadoche 1 year ago
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The problem with health care is the insurance industry, plain and simple. Rationing health care through the use of morbidity tables and risk/return ratios stands in stark contrast with the Hippocratic Oath...yet that's the model for those who try to buy health insurance on their own. They are subject to the harsher business model that ultimately underwrites those covered by their more generous corporate "cafeteria" plan offerings. It's time for a single payer system. Period.
jjb1310 1 year ago
@jjb1310 you're right that insurance co.'s use morbidity tables. they need to know the odds of you getting sick and how sick you're likely to get in order to know what they can expect to pay out for you and whether they can even afford to do so. their business is gambling on your health. but insurance companies do not set the cost of care. they don't set the cost of procedures, dr visits or drugs because they aren't the providers. (cont.)
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@jjb1310 (cont) insurance companies agree to pay your medical bills in the event you're sick and in exchange you agree to pay them a monthly sum. that's all they do. if you want to lower health care costs you have to deal with the actual providers of health care - doctors, medical groups and pharmaceutical companies. thus, as i said before, you either need to encourage competition between them, or nationalize the entire health care system. get it? this is the point that everyone misses.
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jjb1310 1 year ago
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@cloudfoot3000 I got it. I closed my argument by saying the single payer system was the best choice among the bad ones. Did you ignore that? The insurance industry will never allow the health care "system" to be consumer driven, therefore the choice is between maintaining the unacceptable status quo, or choosing the less onerous government run health care system. At least the government is ultimately answerable to the people. The health insurance industry answers only to its shareholders.
jjb1310 1 year ago
@jjb1310 i didn't ignore that. all i'm telling you is that the insurance industry is not the root of the problem. you state "The problem with health care is the insurance industry, plain and simple." that is wrong. you state "It's time for a single payer system. Period." maybe. if you're going to argue that the single payer system is the answer - and that is something i tend to agree with - you should be clear on why it is. saying that the insurance co's are evil is liberal jackassery.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
@cloudfoot3000 I'm in no need of an economics lesson from someone who insults me, but apparently you need one. Just as the mortgage industry fueled an unsustainable housing construction boom with unregulated liquidity from China, so too insurance industry cash has made it significantly easier for health care providers to sandbag insurance companies, which in turn reward themselves with kickbacks. Explain to me how a commission based industry has any incentive to keep prices (costs) down.
jjb1310 1 year ago
@jjb1310 "insurance industry cash has made it significantly easier for health care providers to sandbag insurance companies, which in turn reward themselves with kickbacks." what does this even mean? the industry has set up its companies to be screwed by providers? the companies reward themselves with kickbacks? how do you kickback to yourself? or are you saying that the providers are paying off the insurers to allow them to keep fees high? forget it. think what you want. i'm out.
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jjb1310 1 year ago
Hellya! We need more common sense truth tellers like Durbin!
LateNotes 1 year ago
(cont.) hence, to lower health care costs, you need to increase the competition between drs or nationalize it all. to increase competition, get rid of insurance entirely and force people to pay for health care directly so that they're actually aware of the costs, comparing different providers and placing downward pressure on the true costs. otherwise, nationalize health care so that prices are controlled and stabilized by govt. otherwise, come to terms with ever-increasing health care costs.
cloudfoot3000 1 year ago
Those Republicans pandered to the idiots and fools who never have been denied health insurance because of a "pre-existing condition". Imagine that. They would rather pick up the tab for people to go to a hospital emergency room. But they have a pre-existing condition, alright...anencephaly.
jjb1310 1 year ago
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@jjb1310
You are so wrong. Republicans pandered to the racists in this nation. I don't care if you agree or disagree but in America, right now, if you are not white and Christian then you will be on the outside no matter who or what you are. president Obama will never gain the support and trust of the majority of white America no matter what he does.
Alghazzy 1 year ago
BRAVO!!!
smkita 1 year ago
I like this guy. America has the best healthcare in the world......,if you're rich enough for it. Those of us who don't make 6 figures, however, are pretty well screwed. As a kid, my mom had to have surgery to remove an organ. Her insurance paid for her to stay in the hospital a whopping 2 days. On the third, she was told they wouldn't pay for her to stay anymore. My grandparents played nurses for two weeks until we could go home again. Her insurance is even worse now.
mewmew34 1 year ago
If your view of socialism is anything to the left of some imagined libertarian ideal that never existed than social security, medicare, medicaid, public education, police, fire departments, and defense are all socialism. I know ideologues who think that our government shouldn't do anything except protect the boarders, life, and private property. I respect their viewpoint but not that of Republicans who support some self-serving socialized programs but then oppose others on "principal."
jacksonbrucea 1 year ago
too bad this sound bite was released after the election.
sph1962 1 year ago 2
John Boener is a hypocritical turd. He is only into power and money and he only represents the rich. He should give up his government health care if he thinks it's socialistic. But no, he may need it when he goes into rehab for his drinking problem.
TheBetty1949 1 year ago
The health care bill is fatally flawed. Start with allowing interstate sales of health insurance as there is for life and car insurance. Nothing like a little competition to spur innovation and price competition.
jrobbart 1 year ago
@jrobbart The Republicans put in 100 amendments to the bill and still voted against it. They originally wanted it when it was their idea. I live in Mass. where Mitt Romney as governor put it into place. It works well here where everyone is required to have health insurance and was set up to be a model for the country. Republicans are hypocrits and aren;t about to give up their "socialistic" government health care. Good health care is a right not a privilege.
TheBetty1949 1 year ago
@jrobbart the idea that increasing competition between health insurance companies will reduce health care costs is fatally flawed. the reason for this is simple, though most people don't see it: insurance companies don't set the price of health care, and never have. they pay the cost on our behalf when necessary, and we pay them a monthly fee in exchange. the cost of health care is set by drs, medical grps and drug co.'s since they're the ones who actually provide the goods and services.
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jjb1310 1 year ago
I have always liked this argument and in general.
arttoegemann 1 year ago
Hooray for Senator Durbin! For once, here is a man who speaks the TRUTH!!! While healthcare may be great for those who have wonderful insurance plans (LIKE the federal health care plan), for those of us who have no insurance or are underinsured, healthcare or at least the level of care is not so good. While other modern civilizations have great national healthcare plans that care for ALL of their citizens, the U.S. has none. For shame!!! The gap between the rich and poor expands.
KathyS2008 1 year ago 22
@KathyS2008 And we still dont.
Those other modern civilizations you describe have socialized healthcare. Durbin and the rest of the democrats apparently dont have the balls for that...but they do however have the balls to bail out Wall St to the tune of trillions in taxpayer cash when those companies screw up.
Gonzo707 1 year ago
@Gonzo707 Hate to break it to you but GW is the king of bailouts....But I suppose he should be. Others have had to bail him out repeatedly...
char21272 1 year ago
@char21272 Youre not "breaking" anything to me. When did I say I was a fan of George Bush?
lol It must be really easy for those of you who think of all social issues and politics strictly in two dimensions. Whoever isnt in love with Obama MUST be a Republican...whoever criticizes a Republican MUST be a Democrat.
This is why American politics is the way it is these days. People are more worried about right vs. left than they are about right vs. wrong.
Gonzo707 1 year ago
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@Gonzo707 I never attempted to state where your loyalties lie.... I simply pointed out a fact. You are the one making assumptions. I couldn't care less what you are, I stated my thoughts on the matter, so breathe deep and cope
char21272 1 year ago
BRAVO to my Senator. It takes balls these days to stand up for the right thing. I deeply appreciate these words, this outlook and I wish people would honestly listen.
ronjjazz 1 year ago 16
News flash for you Tea Baggers ... this is a mixed economy that is part capitalist and part socialist. The reason for this is that most of you would get TOTALLY swallowed-up in a purely capitalist system and would likely be living out on the streets. Years ago your grandmother would be utterly destitute & without healthcare. Thanks to the kindness of others & yes, socialism ,she now has Social Security & Medicare among other protections. If you don't understand something just shut-up!
oxnard99 1 year ago 2
AwfulVision for President!
tankexmortis 1 year ago
Afreakin' men Senator Durbin!!!! EVERYONE should have health care!!!
mmelindam 1 year ago
To all you Tea Baggers against health care I say only really good looking people should have access to health care which means you get none. Ha!
oxnard99 1 year ago 2
@oxnard99 Right on!!!!
rob22x2 1 year ago
Durbin's rhetoric is so disingenuous as to be laughable. By the same argument why shouldn't we all have the same salaries and perks as U.S. Senators? Why stop at healthcare? I want to live in their houses, eat in the same restaurants and drive the same same cars as the wealthiest people in the country. Yes if everyone in the U.S. decided they want to spend a large portion of their income on healthcare the problem would be solved. But that is a denial of the way real people act.
benz2go 1 year ago
@benz2go You are an ignorant - you should get your head out of your butt.
You have your healthcare bozodoll .
rob22x2 1 year ago
@rob22x2 writes "You are an ignorant - you should get your head out of your butt." yet you state no points that might demonstrate my ignorance nor do you propose any argument to either refute my opinion nor support your own. I do in fact pay for healthcare insurance - a high deductible policy which requires that I pay out of pocket for most services but allows me an affordable premium. Perhaps that makes me a "bozodoll". I'll let you be the judge.
benz2go 1 year ago
@benz2go What a foolish, silly, irrelevant argument. I'll tell you why not stop there: the discussion is about HEALTH CARE you moron. Typical conservative: never answering the questions put to them, always clumsily attempting obfuscation, trickery, evasion and specious arguments. Conservatives and christians: the most dishonest, self serving imbeciles around.
FilthyReech 1 year ago 3
@FilthyReech Actually the discussion is about the ways people pay for healthcare and deciding the government's role in redistributing wealth. It's a pity that you make no attempt to engage in thoughtful argumentation to support your opinions.
benz2go 1 year ago
@benz2go I don't see it as disingenuous at all. U.S. senators get those salaries and perks because of the burdens they take on in becoming a high-profile politician: hard work, long hours, difficult decisions, high pressure and constant scrutiny. It also reflects the prestige of their position, and the fact that not just anyone can be a senator. You might argue, of course, that their salaries are too high and they recieve too many perks, but that is beside the point.
FurryPurryKee 1 year ago 2
@benz2go (continued) What Durbin is saying here is that EVERYONE should have access to high quality healthcare. It shouldn't just be a "perk" received by high-ranking politicians, or something that only the wealthy can afford.
FurryPurryKee 1 year ago 2
providing a service to everyone IS a socialist plot. the delusion people have is that socialism == evil. big fucking deal it's socialism. our nation can easily afford it and it would help a lot of people.
kronn8 1 year ago
ALL OF YOU HERE WITH YOUR LENGTHY REPLIES AND INJURIOUS LANGUAGE. Listen to the man. What is not clear in what he is saying here? Healthcare for all, people! We are all on this planet for a very short time. Are you out your minds! Are you out of you rminds!
HEALTHCARE FOR ALL , AND IF THAT MEANS I HAVE TWO WEEN-VACATIONS THIS YEAR, INSTEAD OF THREE, DRIVE A HONDA INSTEAD OF AN AUDI, SO BE IT.
rob22x2 1 year ago 2
@DominicJ, Your insult is quite fair. I am ignorant of far too much, but I study and research diligently to attempt to remediate this fact. By no means do I harbor favor towards the lazy self-serving intentions of generations of repub leadership who have not taken initiative. The current bill is (in my opinion & the opinion of at least 22 state AGs) unconstitutional. This bill isnt sustainable. Disagreeing with THIS bill doesn't make me ignorant. Believing reform isn't actually needed would.
afcyrus 1 year ago
and the dee dee dee party thought they were "taking their country back" and give it right back to the same shitheads-different-party.
plaidchuck 1 year ago
"Noblesse oblige" -- nobility has its obligations. This is a nobleman -- and a noble man.
Rummelhart 1 year ago 2
*APPLAUSE* If it's good enough for you and yours, why shouldn't it be good enough for the rest of us?
1notyourmum1 1 year ago
@ehrichweiss, *I* have not been disrespectful. Most politicians are jerks. I do not excuse or condone their behavior. However I'm NOT a politician and I'm NOT a republican (registered non-partisan). You get to hold ME responsible for their actions because I happen to agree with aspects of their platform?
I was requesting for an individual that I did not in any way disrespect of insult to afford me the same treatment. How I became responsible for the actions of jerk politicians is beyond me.
afcyrus 1 year ago
Socialism is good for the wealthy politicians of the USA, just ask these 114 folks, (mostly Republicans, Conservative Christians and or T-Party members): Stimulating Hypocrisy: 114 Lawmakers Block Recovery While Taking Credit For Its Success: coreysviews(dot)wordpress(dot)com/2010/11/09/socialism-is-good-for-the-wealthy-politicians-of-the-usa-just-ask-these-114-folks/
cpmondello 1 year ago 3
@QuatroDiablo, not at all.
@sandrahn, I would like to refer you to the site I said to Google. This healthcare bill is NOT "stolen" from repubs as your talking heads assert. I've given sources - you haven't (links not allowed).
Also, repubs not shut out of meetings? Our president disagrees. Perhaps he lives on this other planet too?
Google - "Obama says closed-door meetings were a mistake"
afcyrus 1 year ago
i have been saying this for years. All of congress needs to give up their healthcare, I pay for it and i get none of the benefits.
melmarr22 1 year ago 3
@theorbb1234
Also, try to grow up a bit... I've been very respectful in expressing my dissenting opinion on this video (knowing full well that it is not a popular opinion amongst the viewers of this video). While you are certainly under no obligation to be respectful yourself, it definitely doesn't help dialogue at all for you to curse, insult, and namecall unprovoked. I have NO problem with differing opinions - I welcome them! However, there's no benefit in your acting like a jerk...
afcyrus 1 year ago 3
@afcyrus
u mad?
QuatroDiablo 1 year ago
@afcyrus , I have to disagree. The Tea and Republican Parties acted like jerks and apparently that won them an election or two. Why not model ALL parties according to those same methods?
If you think that there does need to be respect, etc. on all sides then perhaps you should start with your own party; every time you hear someone say something disrespectful(especially if you AGREE with them), admonish them for being jerks. It's easy to tell the opposition they're being disrespectful afterall.
ehrichweiss 1 year ago
@theorbb1234
Seriously? You're ignorance is astounding. For starters, I'm not a republican. I'm registered non-partisan. Secondly, you obviously have very 1-sided news coverage. The GOP has MANY healthcare reform ideas - that were simply not allowed to be expressed by the democrat monopoly the past 2 yrs.
Google "GOP Healthcare Solutions" (1st result)
Just because I don't like the bill that was passed doesn't make me anti-reform or that there aren't alternative solutions...
afcyrus 1 year ago
@afcyrus LOL Hilarious! The GOP has "many healthcare ideas!" Exactly - like the one that Obama passed, twit! The plan he passed IS A REPUBLICAN IDEA!!! The Republicans "shut out" of the debate? Unbelievable! You people really live on another planet!
sandrahn 1 year ago
@afcyrus Sorry But it's your ignorance that's astounding! This is a Health Care Reform, it's taken decades to get and in the mean time insurance companies have been making BILLIONS, and the poor and middle class have been suffering, and yes it may have some flaws and IT's Nothing that can't be changed, BUT NOT dismantled completely!! The GOP didn't want anything to do with it manily because they're whinners and complainers, even though it had many of their original ideas in it!
DominickJ 1 year ago
@afcyrus If you did some meaningful research rather than read the first thing that pops up on google you will find that a vast number of sources have noted that republican ideas have been incorporated into the proposed reforms.
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afcyrus 1 year ago
Yes! Dick Durbin has been my senator for years! There is a reason he's one of the top rated senators in all of congress. More Democrats need to speak out. I agree though with people who say there are more than a few without insurance. My parents can't get it because of damn pre existing conditions. Those crazy duechebags can do about anything and get away with it. Did you know Blue Cross Blue Shield started out non profit? I guess when they realized how much money they could make off PEOPLES LI
pezcrow 1 year ago
Health care in America is luxury. It is not a right. I agree with you, Mr. Durbin.
CCimarra 1 year ago
Exactly right, right-wing Republicans always bitch about the so called "Socialisaton of healthcare" and the evil it insures, but as soon as one of their family members get sick....
Tanman007 1 year ago
Durbin had it right until he said "each one of us is only one accident or one diagnosis away from being one of those unfortunate few who can't afford or can't find health insurance." FEW? Did he really say "FEW"? Hello, Dick Durbin - 46 million people is more than a FEW!!! Wake up, "elected leaders".
"Finding" health insurance is NOT the same as being able to afford it, by the way.
jay6vee 1 year ago 6
@jay6vee You're a dick for criticizing someone working for your basic human rights.
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jay6vee 1 year ago
@Benefit1970 Calling names, eh? I doubt there are very many on the Hill who are actually doing anything for their constituents.
Do you know what kind of health insurance our elected representatives have given themselves? Probably not.
Do you know how much money lobbyists throw around on the Hill every day? Probably not.
You can call me all the names you want - that won't change anything.
jay6vee 1 year ago
@jay6vee It's a "colloquialism", therefore it tends to lend itself to "the people", of which you seem to not be. Move along. Nothing to see here.
phydeaux111 1 year ago
@phydeaux111 Whatever...
jay6vee 1 year ago
I thought it was pretty funny that when all of the Town Hall meetings were happening, some of the Fleabaggers were telling the Politicians to keep their hands off of their Medicare.....Now I know what is going to happen when Republican'ts get going, they are going to change SS and medicare......Wall St will have control of it when the Republican'ts get through with their reign.
whyputaname 1 year ago
The only complaint I have about this sound bite is "those unfortunate few." There's so many more people without health insurance than just a "few." Other than that, I think he nailed it.
brashlion 1 year ago
Let'em rot in the streets. If they don't want to pay for healthcare they shouldn't have to. No care for those that opt out. None. No insurance, no money, Die fast! Otherwise were socialists, oh god, not that please. LET ME DIE FAST!
accostickbloo 1 year ago
What part of "The government can't afford it" don't you understand?
RussMFP 1 year ago
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@dantheleo Well said dan, these liberal idiots that post here are just deadbeats that want the government to take care of them thier whole lives because life is just to hard for them, boo-hoo! LOL
AlwaysRight41 1 year ago
@AlwaysRight41 i hope you're still saying that after you're financially corrupt due to medical bills, even after having insurance and working hard all your life. see if you're still saying that when you're moving into your kids house.
because that's all it boils down to for you dickheads. everything is black and white for you dipshits, and it makes me sick.
bandwagonretards 1 year ago
@AlwaysRight41
Then I suppose the elected Rebublican & Tea Party federal employees are deadbeats too since they get the government to take care of them.
mekangus 1 year ago
@AlwaysRight41 This liberal idiot paid his own way through college in the midwest and now gets paid in NYC. This liberal idiot has a better health care plan than you can possibly dream of. This liberal idiot supports health care reform for all. In fact, all of his friends went to college as well and now get paid in different cities across this beautiful country we call home.
Take the FOX stereotypes some where else please. I don't take intellectual handouts. I think for myself.
Subterfugitive 1 year ago 8
@Subterfugitive Looks like your the teabagger looney. Another corporate sheeple and shill.
petersdraggon 1 year ago
@petersdraggon You just spit out a generic insult because you're angry inside and need to lash out at someone. It's cool-- we all feel that way.
Subterfugitive 1 year ago
Those pesky Republicans....again! How dare they follow the law that democrats passed called "Pay Go" to have the funds to pay for all new programs before they passed legislation and implemented. Does it really matter, the states are defunding as many parts of the bill that they can like Pennsylvania and New Mexico. After a new Congress is sworn in the federal bill will be defunded into obscurity and on 1/21/2013 it will be repealed.
dantheleo 1 year ago
I like socialism, I wish our president actually was a socialist
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something made sense here
whoshotjfk 1 year ago
So USA politicians get government funded health care?
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago 3