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  • Religion is to subdue the massess.

  • I think one important thing we should do is work together to dispel some of the myths about Atheism.

  • Atheism is simply a proposition, not an ideology, and not a religion. It is meta-religious, in that it is a statement about religion, but the complete meaning of that statement can be different as night and from one atheist to the next. Therefore it is difficult to purposefully promote it.

  • Atheism is simply a proposition, not an ideology, and not a religion. It is meta-religious, in that it is a statement about religion, but the complete meaning of that statement can be different as night and day from one atheist to the next. Therefore it is difficult to purposefully promote it. Some people are atheists because of rational reasons, and others are simply angry at their parents.

  • I do not think Atheism needs to be promoted, any more than it already is. Anybody who passes highschool should have enough critical thinking skills to atleast question "beliefs"

    If further convincing / arguments are required visit the local library.

    Problems arise when christians think their bullshit should be taught in the classroom, then you should fight back....however...it is pointless. Christianity is big money, big business, it is a monopoly.... "believe it".

  • There can be no rational discussion with any "believer".

    Why don't you realize this?

    It is impossible.

    All arguments have been chewed up and spit out time and time again.

    How do you expect to have a rational discussion with an irrational person,

    i.e. "a believer"

  • I do agree that reaching a hardcore believer is nigh impossible. My efforts are targeted more towards education, particularly of fence sitters.

  • Dude, looks like you have declared war on any and all bags of Doritos! You're out of breath just trying to read your bullshit. Keep talking, it sounds like you're almost convincing yourself!! Best of luck.. and oh.... God bless! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

  • wow, somebody ate a college dictionary and shit it out on video.

  • someone ate a turd a shit out a son.

  • "Who dares to enter the chamber of the everlasting know-it-all?"......... (Infidel replies: "Sorry!..... I thought the Christian room was....well... I was actually looking for the room where they discuss things....sorry I'll go now.")....Damn weirdo! Now! About that inquisition?

  • One problem I see, is you lump all Christians into the same basket. Isn't that what you say they do to you? I have no problem with atheists. I've had good conversation and good times with atheists. Some are very bright. Some have taught ME a few things about life and the universe. All I had to do was shut up and actually listen for a second. Christianity is not the problem, Christians are! They misunderstand their own book more than anyone else.

  • watch?v=BHCSgiAXzFg

  • Hey they call them Patriots for those that do, but if you belong to a group of people who believe in a certain philosophical or scientific doctrine, what do you call it? If that ain't religion, I dunno what is

  • Religion defines organizations that believe in supernatural movers, entities, etc.

  • Idealogy is supernatural in it's intent, especially atheism, that quote me if I'm wrong, seeks proof of the supernatural through the basis of science and hard evidence and until then choose not to subscribe to any religious theology, and in a sense becomes a pseudo-religion in it's entirety.

  • what does supernatural intent even mean? supernatural is something that cannot possibly be explained by nature. science doesn't seek to prove the supernatural. it seeks to prove the -natural-. There's a large disconnect between what you know and what is the truth. I'll be glad to educate you further and give you book recommendations if you desire. atheism, therefore, isn't a religion.

  • That's truly brilliant. Science does not try to prove the supernatural. It tries to prove the natural. You know why I don't like christians? Because they live like they have another life in the bank. My message is live your life free don't be afraid you'll be damned to "hell" or awarded with "heaven". Just live your life, plain and simple.

  • Wait isn't athesism a belief system, and therefore a cult or religion?

  • Atheism isn't an organized belief system. This is like saying since we Americans follow the Constitution that Americans are therefore religious of the constitution.

  • "Atheism isn't an organized belief system."

    Indeed, it is simply a lack of belief in any god.

  • Saying atheism is a religion is like saying everyone who doesnt believe in the invisible pink unicorn (or FSM or something) is in a religion by simply not believing in some random "deity". Atheism is a neutral stance - it is the theists who state there is a magical deity.

  • Great video. I give you 5 stars. And I (hopefully) have attached a video called "Deconstructing Atheism". Otherwise follow my name to my channel... as if you didnt know that. You seem smart, reflected, and I hope you´ll comment on many of my videos. I have subsribed to you.

  • Tren, just watched this vid. Really enjoyed this and agree with what you say. "casualty of faith" - liked that.

  • Atheist and religion freaks are destroying youtube.Nonsensical argument that will NEVER have a conclusion.

  • I seriously doubt both claims. Even if it doesn't happen in our lifetime.

  • I dont think deconstructive arguments make for an effective modus operandi against religion. You only validate their position by polarizing their views. The greatest enlightenment of mankind are the scientific achievements made throughout our history. These achievments punch holes into the dogmatic logic of religion and force them to come to terms with reasoning. As they slowly assimilate their doctrine with scientific truths, the distinction between religion and science will lessen.

  • This impresed the hell at of me. good job.

  • You're generalising - the louder and more 'in your face' Atheists certainly do match your description - we're only human. But for every bitter and hateful Atheist there are many who are much more polite, yet still highly critical of religion.

  • How to think... thats exactly right. I can understand the pressures you have over the water. We all carry our individual set of attitudes values and beliefs, "militant" atheism is therefore inevitable. Maintaining cohesion therefore involves keeping on the subject!

  • The subject being: exploration of the theory of atheism. Any further "movement" will require the re-definition of the movement itself, for example an anthropocentric atheist moment for example, secular humanists. So, are you simply an atheist, or do you have an agenda?

  • I've included a video response demonstrating what I would consider active atheism with an agenda - Humanism.

  • well..diversity is what rings to mind..we must not underestimate the power in the fact that we not a flock of sheep. We should try to be loyal to those that have similar goals, but appreciate that we go at it from different angles. great work btw Tren, impressive piece of work. :)

  • part 3

    simply live it. if you succeed, people will seek discussion with you more often and ask you more often because they get a feeling that you have an open and neutral mind and always search for the logical answer. being an atheist and living it can make you a good problem-solver, and since everyday-life causes lots of problems this can have positive influence on your reputation in your community.

  • part 2

    i also try to apply reason and logic whenever i talk with other people. in conflicts, you can try to put the arguments together and use logic, it is a good way to solve conflicts.

    and ask questions whenever something seems illogical, try to get other people explain things to you.

  • well, what i do is that i try to get people interested in science. not necessarily evolution, but anything that is beautiful/interesting, like the pictures we get from the hubble telescope, or... well, even mathematics has stuff that can easily get attention simply because its beautiful. fractals for example, or a crystal-clear mathematical proof.

    end of part1

  • I hear ya- more elites need to stand up & be honest- but for politics- the Zeitgeist evolves on its own when critical mass is reached- how that is done well... let's be ourselves whatever that entails- atheism alone is not enough methinks- maybe a new mythology needs to be created- an easily understood & useful metaphor without being religiously literal.

  • "You can't start a thinktank with a room full of retards." LMAO!!!!!! (I really was laughing my ass off; it's great to see something that gives you an honest chuckle.)

  • - Consistent "Letters to the Editor" of local, regional and national newpapers on topics of importance.

    - Write to your congressmen/women to ensure that they know that atheists are a reasonable portion of their constituency.

    - Engage in the civic life of your community. The decisions of your community are, in part, in your control. Get involved.

    - Post fliers for books like "Letter to a Christian Nation" or Christopher Hitchins' forthcoming, "God Is Not Great" in coffee shops and the like.

  • Excellent suggestions! I still do as RabidApe had suggested in a past video: I strike out the word 'god' on all my cash.

  • Ok, I'm probably stepping into the line of fire here, but I just have to put in my two cents. First of all, atheists (and even deists) have been predicting the end of religion for hundreds of years.  Second, I disagree that knowledge is the opposite of faith. Lastly, I don't understand why you care what people believe. If there is no God, then there is no ultimate purpose, so what does it matter? Perhaps I oversimplify, but that is how it seems to me.

  • It is an oversimplification I'm afraid. Christian religion particularly has stifled the growth of science in the past and continues to stifle critical thinking today (young earth creationists, anti-evolution, and intelligent design proponants to name a few). It is important to draw these lines for the continued life of our species. We care because we care about humanity. It has nothing to do with god per se.

  • Of course it was a simplification, how in depth can I go in six lines? So you are saying that because the Christian viewpoint opposes other ones, it stifles them. Personally, I see opposing viewpoints as a positive thing. For instance, if evolution (macro, not micro) cannot address problems such as irreducable complexity, then should we not examine alternatives?

  • And life has plenty of purpose. God does not need to be invoked to create purpose in one's life. My life is incredibly purposeful.

  • No insult intended. I define individual purpose and ultimate purpose differently, but did not have time to distinguish.

  • Great video and thoughts. 5 Stars.

    We are not *right*, however I think the atheist position is less wrong than the theistic one.

    We do need to come up with a solid alternative to theisic religion. I respect myself and others enough to put my views out there in the hope that some of it will be picked up by others.

  • I agree in that atheism is not an absolute -right-. People are entitled to their beliefs no matter how silly any of think they might be. I think if we can promote atheism as a solid, respectable alternative that atheism will take care of itself. =)

  • Eloquent as usual, I think more videos with positive messages about atheism can be affective, many people believe that the "macaca" video was the difference between a republican, and democratic senate, every entertaining, and positive atheist youtube video will help the youth of America realize, at a minimum, that atheists are not evil or immoral, and that makes our message more palatable.

  • We also need to stress to young people that religious differences, and the belief by many Christians that the world is coming to an end within the next 50 years "The Rapture" are as Sam Harris puts it "perfectly maladaptive to planning for a sustainable future" for them and their children.

  • I also believe that ridiculing the most extreme beliefs such as the soon to come rapture, and young earth creation, could create a strong coalition of atheists, agnostics, and more the more moderate religious, against the 30% of people who identify themselves as Christian fundamentalists.

  • I also believe that ridiculing the most extreme beliefs such as the soon to come rapture, and young earth creation, could create a strong coalition of atheists, agnostics, and more the more moderate religious, against the 30% of people who identify themselves as Christian fundamentalists.

  • Ridicule and attack can certainly backfire. I don't see that as a viable strategy.

  • Sam Harris always has the best one liners. "It's possible to be so well educated that you can build a nuclear bomb, but still believe you're going to get the 72 virgins." Sam.

  • Ain't that the sad and scary truth.

  • Interesting commentary. I'm making a response to this, it may take me awhile though. Thanks for it!

  • Just some thoughts dear Xild. Please don't include me in the defensive attacks, I have no interest to be lambasted for my opinions.  I wish to remain friends. This is just my observation. You're still a sweetheart in my book. But if you still feel the need to defend yourself, I look forward to your thoughtful response. =)

  • I would like to apply an apple corer to all of the major denominations and remove the supernatural core within them. While leaving that great and wonderful body of humanistic ideas and wisdom that many denominations have within them. I see no reason to destroy religon. Only to remove its supernatural core.

  • "We need to educate; we can't force social change." I agree with this.

  • The first or second biggest enemy of religion is education about religion (the other is the elimination of poverty). Sadly the first amendment (effectively) preventing the objective discussion of religion in public school is a one contributor to religious fundamentalistism in America.

  • That's a fascinating idea I hadn't considered.

  • Not that I know much about the American system, but should "freedom of religion" mean that *all* religions can be studied or taught and the child is left to decide which one to choose, if any? One of the best thing I ever did was to travel the world and experience different religions - it forced me to think about my own beliefs and eventually confirm my atheism.

  • "Should freedom of religion mean that *all* religions can be studied or taught and the child is left to decide which one to choose, if any?"

    Yes, but there appears to be a gap between should and is...

  • There certainly is a gap - the vested interests keep pushing their own agenda. What is needed both here (Australia) and elsewhere is a strong secular government to enforce these kind of initiatives under the banner of understanding and tolerance.

  • So maybe a class where all the religions can be examined under equal scrutiny? If so I am willing to consider that idea, depending on how it's done of course.

  • I support religion in school as long as its taught as part of history, not part of dogma, preferably taught by an open minded third party. I guess that's a lot ot ask for.

  • The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the tool I most often use. Children love the FSM.

  • We need to prove that Sponge Bob is an atheist!

  • Well done again friend! Have you thought about starting a movement?! ;)

  • lol only in my bowels my friend, only in my bowels.

  • The NASU is the ASU without the bullshit. The ASU was the bulky prototype of this noble movement. The NASU is the greatest thing to hit youtube atheism. Where the ASU gladly accepts donations fro the CLDS and CAIR, we give people flyers with sayings like 'Punch god in the Throat!'.

    I can get you a premium membership in the NASU for half the price of the ASU.

  • lol lets all punch god in the throat for jesus.

  • The NASU!

  • I think the beginnings of this is reflected in premed411's video contest, which i hope more people will take part in. Putting atheism out there as an alternative is important and it's also important to put the issues central to atheism out there in a way that appeals to a bigger audience.

  • Most definately.

  • I completely agree. If I had real editing talent + time I would enter! =) But I look forward to all the entries he gets. It's a fantastic idea.

  • Well said.

  • I agree with wolf well said, we should emphasis things like humanistic values and dispelling the myths that are religion.

  • Indeed, we very much need to be emphasizing the above mentioned.

  • Agreed. We need solid goals for action, not in-fighting and silliness.

  • I think I'm going to have your entire channel in my favourites! lol

  • lol You should just make a Trenholmes playlist.

  • I think I'm gonna' do that dragon :o) Thnaks for the suggestion , I didn't even think of a playlist ...lol

    :o)

  • Glad to be of service. :)

  • In my everyday life I bring up the topic of religion and science quite fequently at work. I never bash people over the head with facts but I try and seed concepts and ideas. I live in Scotland and religion is fairly nonexistant except for a pleasant Sunday tradition. I'll teach my Grandparents about evolution and my co-workers about cosmology. I relish the chance to debate with a true believer. Unfortunatly in Scotland they're few and far between. :)

  • I live in the buckle of the bible belt. I'm with you, whenever given the opportunity I gladly share my views. I'm never pushy and I always listen intently. I don't give theists the chance to think I'm insensitive or inconsiderate to their cause and I hope that my words will plant seeds too.

  • Well said yet again Roger :o)

  • Thanks!! =)  Have i ever told you I love your screen name? I've found myself practicing how to say off camera. It's fun to say.

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