April 1, 2009 Pre-Sanctified Liturgy, Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Church, Carmel, Indiana

[TheBShoShow]

The Chanter Mr. Maniakas was my music teacher he was the best!!!!

[mburns8395]

Where are the Royal Doors.

[Presbyter3]

@mburns8395 It's a relatively new temple, where the iconostasis (icon screen) has not yet been erected. Hence, no Royal Doors yet.

[Loiginer]

@Presbyter3

Just use the money of the pews for the Royal Doors...

[GREEKxISLANDxGAL]

I figured this was a new church, you can tell.

At my church we say it half english and half greek, but the lords prayer we usually say in greek, english (by everyone), then some people say it in Arabic and Russian.

[gorthmaha]

My parish has always mixed Greek and English. Mainly because it began with Greek immigrants and has graduated to a mixture that will become more English and less Greek in membership. The Church in America will have to become relevant to the population as did the Russian Church. In the mean time we are free to enjoy the beauty of the Greek while working toward the longer term.

[cosanostraentertainm]

why there are some phrases in greek and some in english??

Πληρώσωμεν την εσπερινήν δέησιν ημών τω

[aznmessenjah]

Because American Orhtodox Christians live in America.

[cosanostraentertainm]

yeah but the church is GREEK orthodox!

[aznmessenjah]

christ's holy church is neither jew nor greek...

[cosanostraentertainm]

I know it's just called so. But my question was about the language? If they were American the service would be held in english. Now it's half english, half greek?

[aznmessenjah]

i guess it's just pretty common in the diaspora to mix liturgical languages with the vernacular. i go to an orthodox church in texas founded by lebanese immigrants, but the liturgy nowadays is completely in english. it's supposed to be better for converts like myself. but i don't really mind if the liturgy is in english, greek, slavonic, etc, as long as its orthodox.

[rossboss1]

The term "Greek" should be understood as modifying "Orthodox" specifically in terms of worship and tradition - it is not meant in an ethnic or nationalistic sense (although it is often interpreted that way). For example - The full name of the Patriarch of Antioch is "the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and All The East." Thus it means "Orthodox Christianity in the style of the Greek east."

[RomanovMartyrs]

Probably this is not the main liturgy of the church. In my Greek Orthodox church they do two services at once. One in the main church in Greek, and one in the gymnasium in English for the Sunday school and other English speakers. :)

[babb9520]

This is amazing! Is this a new church? Is that why there is not an iconastis? Thank you.

[Presbyter3]

Yes, this is a new church. The first service held in it was on Christmas Eve 2008. This is why there is not yet an iconostasis. God bless.