Hatsumi Bujinkan Koppojutsu

[TaoBujin]

This is real. 

[HanDiamond]

This guys Watched to much Naruto Anime Movies

[kalagan]

Anyone who thinks about learning martial art by looking at a dvd is a fool.

[LongJohnSilver1992]

what on earth was that, a kickboxing stance is better and be honest if someone on the street did that to you, you would wait until they walk off then smack them with a fire extinguisher or a plank of wood when they don't see it coming, my method is more ninjutsu and stealthy

[TheMinecraftPals]

Hatsumi-Soke seems like a lovely man. I'm a Ninjutsu student for 4 years now and I watch many of his videos. He's like the grandfather I never had. xD

[DaemenusZ]

@TheMinecraftPals

"Hatsumi-Soke seems like a lovely man."

SEEMS LIKE is the operative words of that sentence...

" I'm a Ninjutsu student for 4 years now and I watch many of his videos."

actually... i can say definitively... there is no evidence to suggest that the arts known and taught by the bujinkan have absolutely no connection to any sort of ninjutsu.

it was a lie takamatsu came up with to market his skills in a time when every kid wanted to only learn kodokan judo. it got out of hand.

[thecupcakering]

Aw hatsumi's getting old... :(

[Dannyboyyay]

I only know one thing for sure:

That none of my masters is a "fan" of Hatsumi Soke.

[darktee]

Just went to my first bujinkan lessons yesterday. Have to say I absolutely loved it. After doing Aikido and wing chun, I feel this is much more fun and interesting to learn. Are the stances called waza or kamiy? I'm still getting to grips with the words.

[kurotatsu81]

@darktee "Stances" are called kamae, but don't get too caught up in them. They're just temporary postures that you're body would be in while moving. For the most part, you shouldn't find yourself standing motionless in any kamae, Waza are techniques, like "forms" in other arts, but it's important to adapt each waza to your body to maximize efficiency, which is one of the reasons Hatsumi Soke is always saying to throw out the waza.

[hellwolf882]

xD i would not want to have to fight one of these men

[yellowmon123]

worst techniques ever

[chucknorrispranks]

homeboy has a solid saigon no kamae lol

[fantasma1114]

jejej...is joke?

[Finnja76]

If you think of "bone breaking" in the less literal sense of breaking the structure, it's a lot closer to the truth.

[ninjutsucom]

@Finnja76 You are correct that many times breaking the structure will be more effective than actually even breaking a bone in resolving a conflict.

Our art spans the ability to handle a young teenage drunk without hurting them or fighting a lunatic that just stabbed someone and you are next. I can assure you that there is much that is not on dvd that the strikes are designed to break a bone when necessary.

[theshak06]

They seem to fall very soft at the end. I admit its hard to recreate actual situations but that was pretty bad....

[ShadowWolfIsBack]

I love those tabi shoes. They're so comfortable and quiet. Nike should make some of their own.

[88Kamikaze69]

Now I see the prowess of these men but what I can't understand is why use "simple" forms of movement like this to advertise your dvd? Because when it comes to the untrained civilians looking for something like this training video what would have the most effect on him/her and theire impulse to buy would be something more "flashy" and eye catching, not saying that the video itself needs it as I haven't seen it but as far as advertisement goes that's deffinately the way.

[ninjutsucom]

@88Kamikaze69 Good point. Flashy gets attention. These training dvd clips are showing waza basics of the art for beginners to see and learn the form slowly so once they get to know the waza then they practice every variation possible and often with much more intensity. Then the same basic waza is practiced with every weapon: knife, rope, sword, staff, etc.

[HartAHart]

@88Kamikaze69 Because you cant follow "flashy" and we dont do "flashy". If you havent trained with us you wouldnt know that in even the simplest moves there is A LOT going on. an btw i have 3 black stripe and trained directly under Hatsumi.

[88Kamikaze69]

@HartAHart

I do believe you let pride go before prudence here.

I simply meant it to be a friendly advice for advertising your dvd.

Shoulder throws, wrist, arm and leg locks forcing a roll and such moves are what would be considered "flashy" and has a tendency to look more impressive to a layman.

And as far as my ability to discern what's "going on" I ask you to notice the parentheses around "simple" supposed to indicate it was a statement of visual effect and not a critique of technique.

[redshadow20xx]

@88Kamikaze69 These videos, as far as I know, aren't for people who want something flashy they can bust out on somebody at a bar. Those aren't the kind of people who do well in the bujinkan. The people who look at this and see the thousand different subtle points and want to go crazy trying to figure it out seem to be the target audience. Those are my favorite uke.

[TheDevilMayCry4]

this is'nt koppojustsu... -.-

[bigkittysmile]

youtube is not the place to learn the martial arts, thats for sure. 

[kokumaru]

I'm glad that there are real practtioners of budo taijutsu on here to adjust the view points of the uninitiated

[Jibe211]

Ninjutsu is based on stealing and improving upon all other arts postures and techniques, so if you see something familiar that looks out of whack from what you've learned elsewhere, rest assured they have studied the technique your familiar with and improved upon it. It doesn't make it wrong, it's just better or more fluidly incorporated into their routine. No kamae is a cross between bo stance from kung fu, and a basic kenpo L stance, you can either go frontal or slide quickly into tiger. =)

[Jibe211]

aikfan77 yes the stance shown here(no kamae) seems off balance to someone trained in temple kung fu, but if you notice its very close to a bow stance in your training, however the difference is the sideways position of the rear leg, as opposed to the forward pointing of the normal bow stance. From what I've learned this is to increase the lateral stability, as well as guarding from the rear, (as your only one small slide from being in tui-ma, the best stance for 360 degree defense)

[onyrimura]

Gostei muito dos ensinamentos do Soke Hatsumi. Experiência e a pratica de quem conhece. a visão do Soke e sua criatividade de lutas nos inspira. a praticar mais e mais.

[DrTranofEvil]

It is somewhat difficult to legitimize something that comes from Sensei Hatsumi. In many of Stephen K. Hayes' books on the subject, he kind of mentions that Hatsumi's teacher wasn't really wild about teaching anything to non-Japanese and who knows how much Hatsumi is really teaching the dime-a-dozen dojos in the 'States.

I would say that most dangerous, real ninja movements are probably held by a select few (if they are legitimate).

[invictuskill]

this is understandable... coz much like kung fu... it is forbidden to teach legit styles to different cultures... Sensei Hatsumi is only teaching modified moves that he thinks he'd instinctively do... these are not the real techniques... if he did teach legit stuff...his life might get in danger... Mr. Bruce Lee is dead coz of teaching legit ones(before JKD)... anyway,,, Sensei will tell that to you when you attend his class...

[skraddypoo]

Goddammit, when I type in "koppojutsu" into the search bar I want to see some fucking BONE BREAKING.

[ninjutsucom]

@skraddypoo Ah.. and that would be on your body? Are you voluntering?? Lol

We do practice in a way that we can continue to practice.

[represent93]

@ninjutsucom well said.

[DjRobMaynard]

@ninjutsucom

hahahahaha..... Lovely perfect response " would you be volunteering ??"(I see they didn't jump at the chance :O)

Dear Skraddy

the Bujinkan System is here today because it has been tried and test through hundreds of years of actual "bone Breaking" in combat situation. The Koppo Jutsu teaching refers to the dynamics of breaking and crushing the structure of the opponent their skeletal frame, their will to fight and their techniques.

[hellwolf882]

@ninjutsucom i would happily offer up my left arm as long as there would be no long lasting damage Lol (if the didnt break a joint such as my elbow wrist or shoulder) and that if it healed back properly lol

[Ryanshinobi]

Interestingly, George Lucas based his Star Wars movies on a Kurasawa film and talked with lots of people in Japan about the movie, including Hatsumi. I've heard people say that the Yoda character was based on Hatsumi, the resemblance is striking.

[MasterVIgil]

Yoda was based on Stuart Freeborn and Albert Einstein. At least, his face was. I have never heard of Hatsumi Sensei having any influence.

[tco101]

man..in all of his videos everything look so fake...like,cant they do it a little faster?or dont fall so dramaticlly?

[rocketrollmachine]

what? if they don't roll they just faceplant dude :p

[ThePacmandoo]

tco101, he is teaching, would you find it easier to learn if he did everything at light speed? I think not.

Are you trying to say that Soke Hatsumi would not be able to apply these techniques on you? Hhmm, that would be fun to watch.

[zenbyo]

Trained ukemi roll out of throws and certain techniques for a reason. I know it looks dramatic but it's really for the safety of the practitioners.

[casperfiol2]

well the thing is that, we're talking about deadly techniques here, at first everything looks so fake until you go to a dojo. it looks "dramatic" because the attacker knows ninjutsu and the victim (hatsumi sensei) of course knows ninjutsu too, so it's synchronized. It's slow because the strikes work even in slow motion, and i really mean it. Thanks for your comment by the way.

[Creationsofmyown]

uh... hatsumi does NOT know ninjutsu...

common misconception...

hatsumi CLAIMS to know ninjutsu... but his own teacher told the author of the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten that he made up his ninpo ryu...from and i quote "ninja-gokko" (childhood ninja games)

dont get me wrong.. i like the buj, but i like it for bringing together all of the techniques we all want ninjutsu to have... even though it has no historical legitimacy....

the last ninja was Seiko Fujita. he died over 40 years ago.

[Andrink]

@Creationsofmyown DUDE, read a little bit, Hatsumi Sensei is the original Soke of the Ninja tradition (his master Toshitsugu takamatsu 33rd soke gave him the legacy of the nine schools... even the royalty of japan recognize him for being THE LAST TRUE NINJA ALIVE.... you just need a little research to discover all those facts.... greetings =)

[Creationsofmyown]

dude... read a little bit more...

takamatsu made up the arts he called ninjutsu from "ninja-gokko" (childhood ninja games) ... he even told prominent historians as much...

watatani kiyoshe even printed it in the bugei ryuha daijiten..

none of what hatsumi says is fact... and even 10 minutes of research proves it...

you have been had... dooped, conned, tricked, bamboozled.... call it what u want... but you clearly dont know the truth of the matter.

[crushthechurch]

i was dead set on doing bujinkan... but really you are right... hatsumi's teachings is more fairytale than fact.. the sakki test?? absolute bollocks

[Creationsofmyown]

poe's law at its finest.

i think the sakki test is so funny its done by every other fake ninjer... even van yuren and that failtard david haliva.

[kokumaru]

the fact that you keep calling the art ninjutsu and not ninpo only prooves that you are the one who needs to do further research....most of the true practitioners of budo taijutsu are more concerned withthe budo aspect as opposed to the "ninja" lore...as you are

[Creationsofmyown]

the fact that you deny takamatsu's own admission to creating what he taught to hatsumi is your own business...

if you knew anything about ninjutsu you would know that it has no relevance to budo... ninjutsu isnt a martial art...

ninpo and ninjutsu are not to be used synonymously either... but we already knew u didnt know better....

what you call budo taijutsu is a collection of jiujutsu aiki, some koppojutsu and some mumbo jumbo to help it sell to americans....

still not authentic or koryu

[kokumaru]

you're ignorant

ninpo and ninjutsu ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS!!!

ninjutsu falls under ninpo-just as your arm is a part of your body and not the whole-try to understand that

[bujin21]

@Creationsofonesown - What was Takamatsu's motive for creating a fake ninja tradition? He had no interest in teaching Americans or non-Japanese. He must have been bored one weekend, huh? Your research is pathetic and incomplete. Other REAL historians and researchers totally disagree with your stupidity. If you are going to infer that Hatsumi is a liar and fraud then have the balls to do it to his face in his dojo instead of plastering it all over youtube like the little coward that you are.

[Creationsofmyown]

you bitch about fallacious logic while using the same?

"real historians" name them or you are making an argument from authority,

also worth noting is that i am responding to the claim of knowledge of ninjutsu. also as i am making a negative claim you are still left with the burden of proof, unless your saying your default position is to believe anything you hear, the default position is doubt, get a clue

this whole shifting of the burden of proof is amateur at best...

[Creationsofmyown]

thats also not considering you are making exorbitant claims without any evidence, and i am making a negative one debunking your positive one, AND giving evidence.

you know that i cant tell you why he made it up.

its also entirely irrelevant to the validity of what i said.

and your (uneducated) opinion of gaps does little to dissuade the experts... odd isnt it.

[FUDOSHINN]

I believe Takamatsu teachings are real, but it is obvious if you need a reason for him to reconstruct Togakure ryu it would have been obviously the fact that he did want to distance himself from the Kuki family after the war.

[bujin21]

@creationsofonesown -- Can you produce the "childhood games" you claim Togakure ryu was created from? If so please point out the similarities between these games and Togakure ryu methodology.  Go through kata by kata and show the resemblance to these "childhood ninja games" please. Additionally, what other source do you have besides the hearsay evidence you use to support your claim? Your ramblings are filled with logical fallacies and huge gaps in reasoning.

[EnglandNinja]

aa the reason why they dont do it fast and at proper pace is one: you would be able to see how it works 2. its bloody dangerous to do ninjitsu techniques at dull speed, if they did they would be incredibly suseptable to proper injury

[ncphillips19]

Let me tell you, I've been training in this for a little while and at first I knew what you mean. The thing is, if the teachers did it faster (which they can, believe me) you would have no idea what happened. Besides, even though the techniques may not look painful, they are. Very. If the teacher did it fast they could seriously hurt the student. This isn't true for all techniques, but when it comes to anything involving locks it is. Also, gotta roll outa those moves or else you eat dirt Not Coo

[9Ratsel9]

@tco101 Have you tried it?

[tco101]

@9Ratsel9 Not yet..

[9Ratsel9]

@tco101 Then please refrain from passing judgement on a martial art that you have not even trained in. Please bear in mind, this art is not as simple as it looks. There is a reason why they fall so 'dramatically'. Thank you. :)

[iancurtis995]

esta chido pero cual de todos es miyagi

[yoruketseki]

I mean no disrespect to Hatsumi when I say this, he seems like a really nice, admirable guy, but sometimes he really reminds me of Yoda.

[aikifan77]

The posture seems quite strange to me, I've studied kung-fu (lau gar), boxing (thai and western) and I now study aikido (tomiki) and that posture seems to lack the flexibility and power needed for serious use. The weight appears to be over the rear leg, the hips are angular and out of allignment with the shoulders. Is this normal in nin-jutsu or is it just a case of no posture is the best posture?

[ninjutsucom]

In Ninjutsu our postures are transitory meaning that we do not stay in them for very long. Changing postures can be very powerful. What you see mostly here is old traditional forms. Applied action is much more dynamic.

[aikifan77]

I like that, in aikido we tend to adopt the one posture but it could also be called transitional as we tend to only actually use the posture during the application of the technique. Everything that we do should be available from a neutral posture then we move into the actual posture as part of the technique. It's good that ninjutsu teaches evolving postures but don't you find having sveral different ones affects your muscle memory?

[mysweetrhodora]

We have a similar neutral posture that is used a lot of the time called "shizen no kamae" or "natural stance" that most techniques will begin from. In terms of committing the different kamae to muscle memory, a big part of practice is devoted to simply transitioning from one posture to the next fluidly.

Though, sticking with the set stances can be seen as necessary for more beginner students as at the highest levels of the art, practitioners will remain in a natural stance all the time.

[aikifan77]

similar philosophy to aikido in the way that you view posture. We also use shizen-no-kamae but aside from that we literally only have the one posture. We have 3 heights to the posture but everything remains pretty much the same. To me posture is more important than technique, without correct posture technique is impossible.

[eigononinja]

not at all!! we also tend to lose our posture to a more natural one but still keep it strong. we focus on distance and the feeling of the opponent more than anything. Go down to your nearest Bujinkan dojo (make sure its the one hatsumi is soke of) and say you want to understand more about it, you should be welcomed and they all tend to be nice people. its all about relaxing and feeling whats happening.

[Vodkakinesis]

Is that also the case in koppojutsu, though?

The video labels these techniques as koppojutsu, not ninjutsu.

[BlueSaryu]

koppojutsu is part of ninjutsu, it means bone striking techniques. It's like this: A part of ninjutsu is Taijutsu which is just using the body. A part of taijutsu is dakentaijutsu, which is striking the body. A part of dakentaijutsu is koppojutsu, which is striking to break bones.

[Iaazathoth]

Koppojutsu in the Bujinkan is much, much more refined and complex than simply breaking bones.

I would say that koppojutsu is broader than dakentaijutsu. You may implement koppojutsu through dakentaijutsu or jutaijutsu, for example.

Most of what Hatsumi sensei shows in this DVD will not be perceived by the casual viewer. Most people will be too caught up on superficial things.

[BlueSaryu]

oh, that's right! Both dakentaijutsu and jutaijutsu contain koppojutsu (For those who don't know, jutsijutsu is grappling). What I basicly meant by breaking bones is that koppojutsu is manipulation of the skeletal system. You can be aiming to break, dislocate, sprain, or tear ligaments.

[Ryutobi]

@ninjutsucom

I practice ninjutsu as well. This is true, we ninja flow through each one, constantly in motion, never in just one posture.

[thedoomreaperco]

that posture is one of three basic postures (ichi minji no kamea(ignore any spelling errors on the postures part)) and is meant to be used as a defensive posture but ju minji no kamea is more offensive and hiji minji no kamea is more of a neutral

[flybyguitar]

well in the style of ninjutsu i train in we dont really have postures, i mean we do but we have one basic stance, our jizai stance which is similar to a boxer's stance and our postures are something you quickly move in and out of not something you stay in for an extended period. Kind of like a case of no posture

[zsoujiro]

@aikifan77

if you believe in something like "postures for serious use" then you just don't understand much about it. Postures, Katas, and every technique relying in form are just excersise to build a physical and mind ability, it's that ability what will make you react and adapt to real situation, not posture, not form. Even so, that kamae is quite flexible and powerful, but that doesn't mean you're gonna stand up like that in front of a real enemy, no martial art can seriously work that way.

[aikifan77]

@zsoujiro I beg your pardon ... I actually know quite a bit about kamae. I know enough to start in a neutral posture and that your posture should have all of the basic elements in it throughout your technique.

I never said it was to be usd in it's pure form. Things learned from kamae should be second nature though. And I didn't quite see the benefits from this particular kamae due to the hip placement and and foot positions.

[aikifan77]

@zsoujiro and posture is vital in serious situations. Everything you learn from kamae should present itself throughout your technique. This may be smooth movement, flexibility, power, balance ....... I resent your remark and feel you're a little defensive. Because I found it difficult to see any real benefit from that particular kamae you assume that I'm standing in pure white-crane posture believing I'm one of the 5 ancestors.

[zsoujiro]

@aikifan77

I'm sure you know a a lot about martial arts, given the background you explained. I'm sorry if my comment was offensive/defensive, it was not the intention. However, there's a flaw in your remarks and your attitude towards kamae: You just can't and will never know about the effectiveness of a posture or technique by just looking a video and "objectively" calculating its effectiveness based on some sort of rules on hip and foot placement....

[zsoujiro]

It's in fact a very common mistake you see much around youtube, people judging about the "innefectiveness" or "bad form" or "cheating" or whatever about some technique video.

I also have my background with other martial arts, and currently have been training bujinkan budou taijutsu for 5 years. The only thing I can assure you is that there's a huge gap between what you experience through live training and what you are able to see directly (talk about what you're able to see in a video)...

[zsoujiro]

Ichimonji no Kamae is a very strong kamae, very flexible and very stable. However, as #flybyguitar told, it's the transition between postures the one thing that matters most for us. That's why from all kamae, the most important one you'll learn from bujinkan... is shizen no kamae (natural posture). Understanding the whole concept of "Shizen", as a physical posture as well as a mind state is the most powerful of all kamae : )

[Rnt911]

@aikifan77 Have you ever see Lyoto Machida fighting? He uses a postuve very similar to that.

[RajDrummer1]

@aikifan77 there are no stances in the bujinkan, you are never stood in any kamae for more than 1 or 2 seconds, so take into account that the postures you see in the video are not stationary stances but a position that you will move through.

[IWannabeJew]

@aikifan77 If I remember correctly, this is a defensive posture that allows you to parry attacks and retreat, if need be, or to move forward into a more aggressive stance.

[majorawol]

@aikifan77 Not sure what you're seeing, but the hips and shoulders are in pretty perfect alignment. Spine as well. With this alignment you can displace yourself even with a heavy armour. This is not really a case of "no posture", but it yields a similar effect in that if done properly, it's not seen or more importantly, it's not even sensed.

[dorull83]

@aikifan77

i really think know what he's doing ;)

[dorull83]

@aikifan77

i really think he know what he's doing ;)

[jutarosan1]

what are you saying man he trained with takamatsu toshitsugo thers the dvd and also he kept the training going from the 70s till now hes agreat master

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

Oh yeah! *hits hand with Kikaku-Ken". Hatsumi doesn't need authentication! He has Takamatsu Sensei and the old lineage to back him up! Thanks!

[Haku92292]

Isn't Kumogakure going exstinct?

[MasterPeter2]

I'm a Kyokushin Dojo member, but I realy like Bujinkan. If I can I want to try it!

[jutarosan1]

thats good you should dont mind these idiots hatsumi masaaki is 78 years old now plus that there was a time that he was very ill to pass away but now hes recoverd. and when i went to train in japan iv seen many incredible techniques and philosophy about martial arts from the soke

[nightstalkersasslt]

I like to think of it this way how many Master's can say they had a teacher, such O'sensei. Soke must of had some serous wall to wall at the hands of O' sensei

[lastchosenninja]

the first drawn pic was chinese cus iam chinese

[BloodySvarti]

Japan Kanjis are similar to Chinese Kanjis.

[zsoujiro]

@BloodySvarti

Japan Kanjis ARE chinese ^^

.. In fact "kan ji", which is written 漢字, means literally "chinese letter"

[princeigor1122]

whats the name of this dvd?

[ninpo4life]

"Koppo" means "to break". Sure, Koppojutsu has many bone breaking methods, but it can also apply to simply "breaking your opponents spirit."

[Creationsofmyown]

great... and what authentication do you have for hatsumi?  he is a brilliant martial artist. but he hasnt been authenticated for a reason. do your own homework, and keep ur ignorance to yourself.

[apathism]

here's the thing though, you want 'authentication' from a lineage which survived through the centuries only BECAUSE it was elusive.

don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[JinsukeHP]

Do what now? No. There are nine schools in the bujinkan. None of them are kung fu or kendo. Only three schools are considered to be ninjutsu schools, but there are snippets of espionage scattered in most koryu, including some of the non-"ninja" schools in the bujinkan.

[kmnk2dj]

I've trained in Bujiken, Iga and Koga and this stuff is the real deal but this doesn't even remotely look like koppojutsu... doesn't koppojutsu mean bone method or bone breaking (from my understanding and teachings). Who posted this... I doubt it was Hatsumi

[Creationsofmyown]

hey moron the last authenticated practitioner of koga died in 1966.

[kmnk2dj]

Only on paper... keep looking. Thanks for your opinion and comment. latez

[kmnk2dj]

Hey Creationsofmyown... by the looks of your comments, you sound confused and are posting the ignorant comments. lol. Wise man knows not to believe everything he reads and only half of what he see's. Koga's exsist... Peace.

[ninjutsucom]

These are the teachings of Soke Hatsumi. Think about it we are not going to put the how to break and shatter bones part on youtube. Yes, it is koppojutsu from mostly Koto Ryu. Shown here are methods of movement in these old schools.

[DirtyDoc350Z]

@kmnk2dj my sensei trained with this guy. koppojutsu is referring to the bones in your knuckles. its like boxing.

[apathism]

god he looks like yoda.

[Ninjaphil24]

He really does doesn't he. I've thought this for a very long time.

[Shinobiriz]

lol XD

[Satakjar]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[artrauco]

train first talk later...