Hi gijsshu, Where did you get those images from? Its quite possible that the LOLA data is merely being overlaid atop the Clementine maps in order to produce much more accurate altitude data. Also, LOLA must be turned off when passing over the three Apollo landing sites with laser reflectors since the return from the LRRRs could be strong enough to blow out the amplifier circuits in the LOLA's receiver.
@GoneToPlaid h ttp://lunar*gsfc*nasa*gov/lola/index.html
And the article I refer to in the description states that the LOLA is turned of at ALL the US and Sowjet landingsites, not just the ones with the reflectors.
w w w . nasa . gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/south_pole . html
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w w w . theregister . co . uk/2009/09/18/nasa_early_lro_results/
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Thousands of visitors to the site. Scientists, engineers, geochemists, physicists, geologists, astronomers, graduated students, hobbyists, interested people and so on.
But... here are Gijs & Stalker. Telling us their 'facts'.
Retroreflectors are not flat mirrors like one you see your face in every day.
Learn how corner cubes in retroreflectors actually work. Use google.
People much smarter than you or me made decision to avoid laser ranging at Apollo landing sites, and you seem to be forgetting this is not about taking pictures. It's about TOPOGRAPHY.
Pictures of Apollo landing sites have been already taken and there will be more of them.
Retroreflectors (special mirrors) left on the surface by Apollo 11, 14 and 15 astronauts would bounce back laser beam full strength back to the LRO, and almost certainly cause its failure. LOLA detector is designed for beams reflected off the rough surface, not mirrors. Laser reflection from the mirror would be 1000 times stronger than safety limit for detector.
There is no conspiracy here, only ignorance and laziness of Moon hoax believers, like you.
LOLA (Lunar Orbiter Laser Altimeter) onboard the LRO, is not a digital camera. It takes precise measurements of lunar topography.
Secondary objective for LOLA is modeling lunar illumination environments. What you show here is a virtual model, a VISUALIZATION, built using data provided by LOLA.
LOLA is turned off when LRO passes over Apollo landing sites because of risk of damage to sensitive detector if laser hit one of the retroreflectors.
@BlisterHiker Thanks for pointing out it's not a digital camera. and telling what LOLA stands for. (did you even bother to see the video, or are you to lazy and ignorant). Thanks for pointing out it's a virtual model. And in this virtual model the shadowsides of the craters seem to be deeper than the sinlight sides. Or has a roadmap shadows? It's turned off at ALL the landingsites, and also at places where there is Russian equipment,.
@BlisterHiker And you also seem to be saying the lunarsurface reflects less than 1/1000 of the laser, unless the reflectors send back more than they receive (new technology).
Well deserved thumbs up for your comment. I want everyone to see your lazyness and ignorance
Please talk to a physics teacher near you. Your ignorance is depressing.
Laser beam reflected off lunar surface to spacecraft orbitting 31 miles above gets dispersed. Only a small fraction of energy finds it way to detector. That's why it has to be very sensitive.
Retroreflectors return relatively very focused signal which could damage the detector.
@BlisterHiker Well. google what the truth is. Which fact did you show? Is there anything I didn't already tell you? give me some REAL facts, without using your imagination. Did you check the 1000 times stronger pulse from the reflectors?????
Show me the facts. You check your facts and come with a good response.
Compare reflection from the wall against reflection from the mirror. You will how much it differs. It will be a good analogy for you to understand. In your case it may be quicker way to learn than googling facts.
Just like your fellow hoaxer stalkervision here, you seem not to understand LOLA does not take pictures. It measures TOPOGRAPHY. Pictures of Apollo landing sites have been taken already by LROC instrument and there will be more.
@BlisterHiker Once again: WATCH TE VIDEO, STUPID ASSHOLE. Pointed out several times it's a LASER, not a camera. And to stay in your stupid vision: What'ts the difference from pointing a laser to the wall or pointing a laser to a mirror? There is NO DIFFERENCE. Google it up if you're out of fantasy. And check your facts
For the last time, it's about REFLECTED LASER BEAM.
I told you to compare how laser beam reflected off the wall compares to laser beam reflected off the mirror straight to your eyes, but you're too dumb to understand it.
That's EXACTLY the scenario NASA wants to avoid: hitting LOLA detector with strong laser beam reflected off the mirrors in retroreflectors.
It's perfectly logical, but you simply have no clue about engineering and precision of such systems, ignorant.
@BlisterHiker It seems useless to teach you anything, but I'll try. There is NO difference from a laser being pointed at a wall or a mirror. A reflector never can send back more than it receives. A Laser can receive more than it sends. A Laser isn't a camera. WATCH THE FKN VID IF YOU ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ANYTHING
I don't agree entirely BH. The footage exactly shows why most hoaxheads immediately start shouting "fake!" at events and happenings they can't understand or comprehend.
@BlisterHiker Tell me: where did I shout fake, and tell me which part I can't comprehend or understand? Give me some keywords to google up facts you won't reveal. What;s wrong with you?
Not too much, BH. They just lack anything that comes near an understanding of Apollo and the talent and hard work that went into it. Accepting it would do unacceptable damage to their fragile egos, so they're forced to deny it at all costs. May be (just very may be) at some level they do know it was all real and that they can't win an argument based only on facts and logic. So it becomes all about insults, personalities and who-said-what.
@SounzNice These are LASER images. I've got a laserdistancemeter, but I can use it in the sun and in the dark. no difference in distance. No problem pointing it at mirrors or any surface. Maybe I should loan it to NASA
@kilox10001 I'll put it out anyway, justs like NASA does with their shit
gijsshu 8 months ago
Hi gijsshu, Where did you get those images from? Its quite possible that the LOLA data is merely being overlaid atop the Clementine maps in order to produce much more accurate altitude data. Also, LOLA must be turned off when passing over the three Apollo landing sites with laser reflectors since the return from the LRRRs could be strong enough to blow out the amplifier circuits in the LOLA's receiver.
GoneToPlaid 1 year ago
@GoneToPlaid h ttp://lunar*gsfc*nasa*gov/lola/index.html
And the article I refer to in the description states that the LOLA is turned of at ALL the US and Sowjet landingsites, not just the ones with the reflectors.
gijsshu 1 year ago
w w w . nasa . gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/south_pole . html
.
w w w . theregister . co . uk/2009/09/18/nasa_early_lro_results/
.
Thousands of visitors to the site. Scientists, engineers, geochemists, physicists, geologists, astronomers, graduated students, hobbyists, interested people and so on.
But... here are Gijs & Stalker. Telling us their 'facts'.
Rob260259 1 year ago 16
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"get an explanation for "shadows" from a digital laser image"
- LOL!
@stalkervision
Read four points of your ignorance listed in my comment below.
Pay special attention point no. 2, dumbass :-]
Oh, did I call you dumbass? I'm so sorry, but you are one :-]
BlisterHiker 1 year ago 2
Really, stalkervision? Please elaborate.
In a few hours here I've seen that you:
1. Don't understand how retroreflectors work, claiming their 23 degrees angle would prevent laser beam from above to bounce back.
2. Do not understand what visualization means.
3. You have some problem with visualizations presented by NASA, but you can't actually prove what's wrong with them.
4. The best argument you have so far is "shadows"...
Get a life, "expert"...
BlisterHiker 1 year ago 6
@stalkervision
Please stop making ass of yourself. You don't even know what you're talking about. The very term you used "laser topography maps" makes it obvious.
This has nothing to do with technique used, in this case laser ranging.
What NASA showed here are just VISUALIZATIONS based on numeric data.
What problem do you see with that? Is the data wrong? Are the visualizations wrong? If you think so, PROVE IT or just shut up.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@stalkervision
Retroreflectors are not flat mirrors like one you see your face in every day.
Learn how corner cubes in retroreflectors actually work. Use google.
People much smarter than you or me made decision to avoid laser ranging at Apollo landing sites, and you seem to be forgetting this is not about taking pictures. It's about TOPOGRAPHY.
Pictures of Apollo landing sites have been already taken and there will be more of them.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
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Retroreflectors (special mirrors) left on the surface by Apollo 11, 14 and 15 astronauts would bounce back laser beam full strength back to the LRO, and almost certainly cause its failure. LOLA detector is designed for beams reflected off the rough surface, not mirrors. Laser reflection from the mirror would be 1000 times stronger than safety limit for detector.
There is no conspiracy here, only ignorance and laziness of Moon hoax believers, like you.
Well deserved thumb down.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
What a piece of garbage this video is!
LOLA (Lunar Orbiter Laser Altimeter) onboard the LRO, is not a digital camera. It takes precise measurements of lunar topography.
Secondary objective for LOLA is modeling lunar illumination environments. What you show here is a virtual model, a VISUALIZATION, built using data provided by LOLA.
LOLA is turned off when LRO passes over Apollo landing sites because of risk of damage to sensitive detector if laser hit one of the retroreflectors.
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BlisterHiker 1 year ago 14
@BlisterHiker Thanks for pointing out it's not a digital camera. and telling what LOLA stands for. (did you even bother to see the video, or are you to lazy and ignorant). Thanks for pointing out it's a virtual model. And in this virtual model the shadowsides of the craters seem to be deeper than the sinlight sides. Or has a roadmap shadows? It's turned off at ALL the landingsites, and also at places where there is Russian equipment,.
gijsshu 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker And you also seem to be saying the lunarsurface reflects less than 1/1000 of the laser, unless the reflectors send back more than they receive (new technology).
Well deserved thumbs up for your comment. I want everyone to see your lazyness and ignorance
gijsshu 1 year ago
@gijsshu
Please talk to a physics teacher near you. Your ignorance is depressing.
Laser beam reflected off lunar surface to spacecraft orbitting 31 miles above gets dispersed. Only a small fraction of energy finds it way to detector. That's why it has to be very sensitive.
Retroreflectors return relatively very focused signal which could damage the detector.
How dumb are you?
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@gijsshu >
Because you are obviously quite dumb, I have a good example for you.
If you have a laser pointer, take it to your hand, turn it on and point at the wall.
Does watching red beam on your wall hurt your eyes? No, it does not.
Now, walk to the mirror, turn on your pointer and direct laser reflection at your eyes. See the difference dumbass?
Note: make sure not to hurt your vision doing that experiment.
Hopefully, it will make you realize how little you understand.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker unfortunately I have only one account, but I will ask some friends to put tumbs up for you
gijsshu 1 year ago
@gijsshu
If you had any honesty in you, you should remove this video from YT.
It is disinformation, to say the least.
Anybody can check in 5 minutes with google what the truth is and find out that you are simply lying, but hey, this is not going to stop you, is it?
People like you are not here to look for the truth.
I showed you the facts in my responce and all you've got is barking about some account? You should stop lying and confusing people instead.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker Well. google what the truth is. Which fact did you show? Is there anything I didn't already tell you? give me some REAL facts, without using your imagination. Did you check the 1000 times stronger pulse from the reflectors?????
Show me the facts. You check your facts and come with a good response.
gijsshu 1 year ago
@gijsshu
Again: do that experiment with laser pointer.
Compare reflection from the wall against reflection from the mirror. You will how much it differs. It will be a good analogy for you to understand. In your case it may be quicker way to learn than googling facts.
Just like your fellow hoaxer stalkervision here, you seem not to understand LOLA does not take pictures. It measures TOPOGRAPHY. Pictures of Apollo landing sites have been taken already by LROC instrument and there will be more.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago 7
@BlisterHiker Once again: WATCH TE VIDEO, STUPID ASSHOLE. Pointed out several times it's a LASER, not a camera. And to stay in your stupid vision: What'ts the difference from pointing a laser to the wall or pointing a laser to a mirror? There is NO DIFFERENCE. Google it up if you're out of fantasy. And check your facts
gijsshu 1 year ago
@gijsshu
For the last time, it's about REFLECTED LASER BEAM.
I told you to compare how laser beam reflected off the wall compares to laser beam reflected off the mirror straight to your eyes, but you're too dumb to understand it.
That's EXACTLY the scenario NASA wants to avoid: hitting LOLA detector with strong laser beam reflected off the mirrors in retroreflectors.
It's perfectly logical, but you simply have no clue about engineering and precision of such systems, ignorant.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker It seems useless to teach you anything, but I'll try. There is NO difference from a laser being pointed at a wall or a mirror. A reflector never can send back more than it receives. A Laser can receive more than it sends. A Laser isn't a camera. WATCH THE FKN VID IF YOU ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ANYTHING
gijsshu 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker Ignorance and lazyness from your side for not checking facts???????
gijsshu 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker
"What a piece of garbage this video is!"
I don't agree entirely BH. The footage exactly shows why most hoaxheads immediately start shouting "fake!" at events and happenings they can't understand or comprehend.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@Rob260259 Is there anythiing you don't understand in this video? Please let me know.
gijsshu 1 year ago
"The footage exactly shows why most hoaxheads immediately start shouting "fake!" at events and happenings they can't understand or comprehend."
@Rob260259,
Why then they still keep lying when they shown scientific facts that anybody can verify in minutes with google?
What's wrong with those people?
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker Tell me: where did I shout fake, and tell me which part I can't comprehend or understand? Give me some keywords to google up facts you won't reveal. What;s wrong with you?
gijsshu 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker
"What's wrong with those people?"
Not too much, BH. They just lack anything that comes near an understanding of Apollo and the talent and hard work that went into it. Accepting it would do unacceptable damage to their fragile egos, so they're forced to deny it at all costs. May be (just very may be) at some level they do know it was all real and that they can't win an argument based only on facts and logic. So it becomes all about insults, personalities and who-said-what.
Rob260259 1 year ago
@BlisterHiker Don't thank me, thank Rob for all the thumbs up. Now everyone can see your stupidness.
gijsshu 1 year ago
Radar can detect friggen shadows HAHA! Were these images actually passed off as authentic radar images? And by who?
SounzNice 1 year ago
@SounzNice These are LASER images. I've got a laserdistancemeter, but I can use it in the sun and in the dark. no difference in distance. No problem pointing it at mirrors or any surface. Maybe I should loan it to NASA
gijsshu 1 year ago
@gijsshu my bad i meant laser .. which is equally silly.
SounzNice 1 year ago
@SounzNice doesn't matter. understand your point. But apollogist attack anyone for mistaking a laser with a radar. even when it doesn't matter
gijsshu 1 year ago