Income Tax Law: Dave Champion "Tax Freedom 2007" Speech. P2

[mschultz007]

I explained on the Aaron Russo video.

[mschultz007]

give me liberty. org/rtp2/ updates/ update 2006-06-09. htm

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

“Salberg was convicted of violating a statute. It [**16] was a federal statute-- 26 U.S.C. § 7203--not a regulation or an instruction book that required Salberg to file an income tax return. Statutes are not subject to the PRA…”

ROBERT A. SALBERG v. U.S.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid I can see you are not willing or ready to learn so I am not spending anymore time on you. I did it and that's that. I have other things to do than talk to a wall.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

Which of us is violating the law, as the courts and any jury would see it? You are.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid You are just a brainwashed zombie that can not think for yourself! Go tell it to someone who will listen to you...oh wait......there is no one here that wants to hear you. Go and try your propaganda some where else. You can not convince me you have any idea that you are right in anything you say because I know you do no research. Until you do you are just a waste of time.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

Second spam post....

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid What are you talking about?

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

Three posts, all copy-and-pastes. This being # 2 of 3.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid And my information would not even get to court because the IRS does not want it in a court case. How many times do I have to tell you? as I stated before go wallow in your ignorance!

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

So your information is not worth anything. You cannot argue the law in a criminal case, you can only do that on an appeal.

You think you have some secret knowlege that the IRS does not watch to get out...then you post court cases that ARE PUBLIC RECORDS and PROVE YOURSELF WRONG!

Do you see how stupid that is?

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid Your an idiot! I just told you they do not go to court with this information. I'm through trying to explain to you.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

Yeah it doesn't go to court because it gets thrown out long before you get to that point. There is nothingn accociated with the OMB number that will get you out of paying income tax. OMB numbers argument only apply ro REGULATIONS not STATUTES. The income tax is a STATUTE. I showed you where IN YOUR EXAMPLE where this was true. Your own example proved your point was WRONG. There is no way around this simple fact.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid You are the delusional one! If my information,WHICH I WILL NEVER GIVE TO YOU, is bad then why has it worked for 21 years? Tell me Mr. KNOW IT ALL! YOU CAN'T! Since you can't have it spoon fed to you.....you try to goad the information out of me.......so take a hike.

[mschultz007]

If you can't look it up then you would not be able to handle an interrogation by the IRS. You know for some one that has sworn an Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, you are a disgrace to the military. Go get spoon fed by your IRS buddies. You like what their serving. (2 of 2)

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

For someome who pretends to know something you are a failure at this entire debate. Since you wont post any information for me to debunk I guess I'll have to teach you English instead...it's "someone" and "they're". BTW, I don't know anyone in the IRS, and you don't know anyone who has won a case in court using the OMB number argument.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid You have no idea how the Judicial System works do you? I told you I had the silver bullet. Information like I have does not get into court because it is too devastating to the IRS. Without it going to court they do not have to compile it and put it out for public to see. I saw your page and you say you do not take sides in this argument about income taxes yet that is all I've seen....and your side is with the IRS. This tells me you have not done any research at all.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

Do you have anything to say besides this cut and paste?

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid Well that's what you do best is cut and paste because you surely do not have any new material. And I will allow you to stay ignorant because to say that the OMB number is valid shows everyone how ignorant you really are. And about it being tried in court and unsuccessful IS WRONG!!! I told you what to look for but all you know is what is spoon fed to you. Please don't splash your ignorance on to others.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

If you are right, then cite ANY CASE where it was successful. I showed you some where it failed.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid Can you read?? In the 1040 booklet the IRS Commissioner States every year says "thank you for your voluntary compliance." Now you have to volunteer to waive your Constitutional Rights because THE GOVERNMENT CAN NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR YOU TO WAIVE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!! DO NOT TRY TO TWIST MY WORDING!! Because you of little knowledge are brainwashed and will not even try to do any research as to validity of any information given here. WHEN WILL YOU WAKE UP?

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

What the Commissioner says in the booklet does not change the law or the FACT that it is not voluntary to pay your income tax. The income tax does not violate your rights in any way.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid Are you really that ignorant? Only if you waive your rights it does not violate them. If you keep your rights there are numerous violations. To say that the income tax in mandatory and does not violate your rights....well nothing could be farther from the truth. It's because of people like you that OUR GREAT NATION is going down the toilet. You are so closed and narrow minded. Do the research on the OMB number. If you do not then stay with your ignorance.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

Sorry, try again. There is nothing in the Constitution or in the history of this Country that supports your views. Any claims you have about the OMB number are also worthless, not a single court in the U.S. supports any view that anything 'wrong' with the OMB number mitigates the fact that you owe income tax and have to file a return. I'll ask again, what is your claim about the OMB number and why would it stop you from paying income taxes?

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE WRONG!!!! You give out so much BAD INFORMATION that you must be a plant here by the IRS The OMB has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT! You just want me to give you my information with no work.....sorry. My OMB number reason has been proven many times and is the silver bullet! I have told you what to look for but you cannot even do that. You just want to stay focus on the trivial points which someone knowledgeable would not use because it is just a waste of time.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

"is the silver bullet!"

More like "bullshit".

"My OMB number reason..."

Then post the cases here, now, otherwise you can take your "I have a secret" game elsewhere, it is worthless here.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid With the crap you shovel here you must have it up to your ears! You ARE A PLANT AND I WILL GIVE YOU NOTHING. I do not just give my information away because you say so......you need to EARN MY INFORMATION which you have not and never will with the asinine posts that you think are correct. JUST GO WALLOW IN YOUR IGNORANCE.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

So you have ZERO evidence and expect everyone just to take you at your word that you have a magical cure for income taxes.

No OMB argument has ever won a court case. Prove this wrong.....

[RetSquid]

“Appellants’ claim that payment of federal income tax is voluntary clearly lacks substance.”

United States v. Gerads

“In assessing income taxes, the Government relies primarily upon the disclosure by the taxpayer of the relevant facts. This disclosure it requires him to make in his annual return...to discourage fraudulent attempts to evade the tax, Congress imposes sanctions. Such sanctions may confessedly be either criminal or civil.”

Helvering v. Mitchell

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid So??? Who is the taxpayer??? You have NO KNOWLEDGE of WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Do you? You do not even know if this court case is relevant to you! You just cut and paste without any research. And as I have said before this is trivial and I would not use this in a court case. Do your research on the OMB number. Stop giving out bad information.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 79 > § 7701 Definitions

(a) When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—

(14) Taxpayer: The term “taxpayer” means any person subject to any internal revenue tax.

Again...WHAT IS YOUR "OMB NUMBER" CLAIM?

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid You are a true sqiud.....slimey. This what you just posted Title 26 is your stupid little little game. becaus it explains NOTHING. BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF YOUR A PERSON LIABLE FOR INCOME TAX. YOU GIVE YOUR LITTLE PIECES HERE AND THERE AND THEY ARE ALL INCOMPLETE. You must be an IRS plant because anyone else would have looked it up, instead of wasting their time in Title 26. You probably still think the Federal Reserve is owned by the government too.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

If you are an individual with more than the deductable amount of income, you are liable for income taxes, if you make less than the deduction amount you don't pay income tax and are not a 'taxpayer'. The Federal Reserve is owned by it's member banks.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid I guess you just want people to feel sorry for you I guess. To say that the Federal Reserve is owned by member banks. You know in school the teacher doesn't just give you the answers. But I forgot your a baby that likes to get spoon fed. I told you to find out what U.S. Code governs the OMB number. You may think the U. S. Code that governs it is Title 26 but it is not. That is all the information I will give you. If you do not want to look it up, that's your problem (1 of 2)

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

I told you I don't CARE what code covers the PRA/OMB, this debate is about income tax, which is covered by Ttitle 26. There is NO OMB argument that will get you out of paying your income tax. I've shown that with multiple case postings. You keep claiming things with ZERO backing and when asked to provide proff you pay a third grade game of "I've got a secret".

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid Oh you play your roll so well......The OMB argument has everything to do with it....So you can keep playing oh tell me because otherwise you don't know does not play with me. You say on your page you do not have a side in this argument yet you keep posting IRS propaganda. You do not deserve my knowledge. To say that I lost this debate...you must have been dropped or something because your brain cells are not working properly.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

I don't really CARE what your answer is because I already know that it will not work. The 1040 has a valid OMB number and it does not prevent you from having to file a tax return. It has been tried in court many times and has never been successful.

[mschultz007]

@RetSquid WAKE UP! The Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is the codification of the general and permanent rules and regulations (sometimes called administrative law) published in the Federal Register by the executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government of the United States. The CFR is published by the Office of the Federal Register, an agency of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).

[mschultz007]

@Hoschi0913 The Income tax, like every year, is based on voluntary compliance. This is stated in the Commissioner's Letter in front pages of the 1040 booklet. If you volunteer then you need to comply. RetSquid is brainwashed and is only educated by what is spoon fed to him. Knowledge is your only weapon and I would advise not getting it from him. Check out the conversation on Aaron Russo and IRS Commissioner and you will see what I mean.

[RetSquid]

@mschultz007

How about you show me WHERE in the law/code it says it is voluntary?

Section 1 of Title 26 of the United States Code (NOT the "CFR") "imposes" the income tax, it is not voluntary, every court in the U.S. agrees that paying your income tax is NOT voluntary.

[Hoschi0913]

perhaps some people dont know this,but by IRS Code "the federal income tax is based on a voluntarily basis",means it is up to you if and how much federal tax you pay,yet if you dont the come and take pretty much all they want and of course they come with ( gun ) force

[RetSquid]

@Hoschi0913

The IRS code does not say anything like that. The income tax is not voluntary.

[Hoschi0913]

@RetSquid

26 CFR CH. 1 ( 4-1-03 Edition )

in part:

The purpose of publishing revenue rulings and revenue procesures in the Internal Revenue Bulletin is to promote correct and uniform application of the tax law by Internal Revenue Service Employees and to assist taxpayer in attaining maximum voluntary compliance by informing service personnel and the public of national office interpretation of the internal revenue laws,treaties bla bla.....affectting the right and duties of taxpayers

[RetSquid]

@Hoschi0913

Sorry, close but no cigar, your reference is from Title 26 CFR not Title 26 USC. Title 26 United States Code is the law and it says nothing about 'voluntary compliance'. Paying income tax is in no way 'voluntary'.

[Hoschi0913]

@RetSquid

seems like i am misinformed then,my bad ,sorry

[Tealy855]

"NO TAXATION WITHOUT CLARIFICATION"

[RetSquid]

@Tealy855

What would you like clarified?

[Karynda]

Sheila Jackson

[RetSquid]

@Karynda

Who is that?

[Karynda]

@RetSquid Crap. I'm sorry. It's Sherry Jackson. She was in Aaron Russo's film, America: Freedom to Fascism. Was arrested for speaking the truth about the IRS, 'show me the law'. She's been in jail a long time now. Her health has seriously deteriorated and is dying. Some think she's being intentionally harmed there. She isn't getting adequate treatment. FB had people writing her congressman (she was his cpa!) and he's done nothing to help her (hank johnson I think? on FB too). Horrible

[RetSquid]

@Karynda

She was convicted for not fileing income tax, she was not speaking ANY truth.

She has thyroid problems, it's not a fatal disease, I have the same thing.

[Kesava1975]

shame this series only has 25 positive ratings & 1 negative

[josda1000]

what a beautiful and eloquent speech. i can't believe i haven't really been woken up to this stuff ten years ago, when i got to start working. i learned about the possibility a year ago that the fed and the income tax were amazingly instated at the same time... though i already knew that excises had to be apportioned among the states. i'm a fuckin idiot... but at least i know now.

[lastpeach]

6:15

I'm not...

Today.

[castle2177]

If everyone simply stop paying income tax the whole system would just end. its that simple.

[afti123]

no it would not end, all tother tax funds from sales, gas& oil and exise tax, tobacco, alcohol is enough. income taxes are almost needless.

[Maniac50AE]

i love the ghandi idea, but im sick of seeing these fucked up people live. if there was bad reprocutions for corrupt politincians and officials then we wouldnt constantly have to fight these battles

[AnteroC77]

The government was meant to judge...but those who do evil and abuse their authority and disobey the laws it itself is to follow, will be judged by God himself. Keep speaking...keep standing up for the law of the land and for justice...it is to our benefit.

[1tonykirk]

March in March.

[ebasebiz]

I would too. However, how well has the Ghandi type approach worked so far?

[lestliness]

Wow I like Dave Champion but I think a Ghandi type of approach is the only chance we have against the government. They simply have the bigger the guns.

[schnure]

The bigger guns aren't always the bigger advantage in urban warfare. The Ghandi method doesnt really work with tyrannical government.