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  • hey steve its jodie who use to sing at chequers, everyone here whos said that your fighting a loosing battle, technically your not and you wasnt because whats happened 2 years later. WHERE HAVING A ROUNDABOUT BUILT BACK THERE!

    oh so i think you won that battle, it just took time and pacience! WELL DONE TO YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT! x

  • fucking hell,wakefield council using an old thing called common sense,NO CHANCE. WASTE MONEY,GIVE EVERYBODY WHAT NOBODY WANTS.WDC ARE GREAT AT THIS.

  • why would anyone who lives in Pontefract be in such a rush to go any place? christ why not worry about something important? how about cancer or aids? what a waste of energy on traffic lights.

  • If you are one of many ppl who can't get enough traffic to their site,The GAS system is the best overall,It is the easiest to install for beginners and ppl with no programming knowledge,GAS-AFFILIATEdotCOM is where to get it.

  • lmao, 'traffic light?' GUY:'SHIT'

  • i live in ponte its a shit hole !

  • and instead of changing the lights they should put up read light cameras to let everyone get there turn to cross at there time to stop grid lock and red light jumping as for pedestrians there are alternative signals ahead designed for the use of pedestrians or why dont they just put a round about back there with pedstrian crossing leading off every turn then there is only a short que and both drivers and pedestrians are happy. this method is used at the roundabout in wakefield now outside KFC

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  • It is noisy i live just 2 minutes away. All you can here if the roads are busy is sirens & my dad gets stuck in them every morning taking me to school

  • i was a taxi driver in ponte for 10 years and think it works a lot better than two roundabouts at least now everybody has a chance to move,you get rush hours in every town and city,if you cared to drive round ponte for 10 hours or more a day you would see how they do work,on an evening you can go straight through them as the senser work great,stop being impatient and dont drive in rush hour traffic

  • According to The West Yorkshire accident Database casualty costs have risen by @ £2 million a year, over and above expectations given national trends since the lights were installed. My research indicates that 100% of Taxi Drivers think they don't work. It can take 6 minutes for a pedestrian to walk 15 yards. Sorry for my impatience, I just hate casualties.

  • lol at comment underneath

  • Nice try, but did you edit it on the back of a mountain bike going over the cobbles?

  • Yes - some of the film in Holland was taken on a folding bike on cobbles, I'm not sure if any got onto this edit. Good spot

  • i live here lol

  • i live there lol

  • is this a comedy?

  • i walk across there everyday lol

  • i live therr

  • there shit

  • No driver that  I know who usesthis junction has a good word for it. Taxi drivers, bus drivers and those who enter the town from the south all agree. The lights take no account that two of the roads leading to this crossroads carry far more traffic than the other two. The last comment I read was right. The lights were switched off the other day and for the first time in ages, traffic flowed freely in evey direction, with no problems. Doesn't that tell Wakefield MDC anything.

  • The other week, these lights weren't working at all. It was very busy, and yet the traffic flowed thru beautifully from ALL sides, without anyone having to wait or stop. This is the first time I have ever approached these lights and gone straight through them.

    It's time they got SHUT O'THEM, and got summat else sorted

  • at the start of the video i live near there

  • or8 chris its ben chappell :)

  • and why are most of the people interviewed holding a piece of paper? come on steve if youve gota script em then dont count em in on camera (1min 20 into vid)

  • This must be a joke surely? Even the people you've interviewed aren't taking it seriously. Easily one of the funniest videos on Youtube.

  • But I admit I'm ignorant of how your town's layout and traffic patterns, so this may or may not be a viable system for your area.

  • I'm not sure I follow - was there a perception amoung elected officials in Pontefract that the old roundabouts weren't working? - or was there something about their design that kept them from functioning properly?

    My hometown (Charleston, South Carolina)has an intelligent computer coordinating system for traffic lights (our downtown area has many historic buildings, so greatly altering downtown intersections is out of the question). The system makes the lights much more bearable.

  • i was only trying to be nice calling you mate , i could have just called you a sad little bastard with nothing better to do with his life, if you dont like it fuck off and move away from the lights you boring bastard

  • I install traffic lights and to be honest mate why dont you just talk to wakefield utc department and if they agree with you they could look at putting different software in the controller, traffic lights with crossings are put up to help pedestrians not motorists, so your fighting a losing battle

  • All I want to do is reduce casualties (I am not your 'mate').

    I may be fighting a losing battle - OK, but, what is more important, fighting the good fight and perhaps losing or acquiescing to evil?

    Town End lights do not help pedestrians.

    At the last two meetings/drop ins/consultations WMDC were not prepared to talk about the lights.

    Get a name

    Steve Kidd, Rookhill Road, Pontefract

  • You haven't asked me any questions.

    Evidence of dangerous driving increases in the area has been supplied to you.

    Whenever you post something on the internet, especially YouTube, it is open for debate. If you can't handle criticism, something at which you are obviously inept, then you should keep your videos/theories to yourself.

    I maintain my point traffic lights cause a nuisance. Dangerous/Careless driving causes accidents and cost lives.

    If you disagree with that then god help you

  • In my last three replies to you I have asked three questions, the last of which was "If you make assumptions about things which you know nothing about and which are demonstrably wrong, exactly what parts of your arguments do you expect people to believe?"

    Thanks for making things very easy for me!

  • 2 questions of which are deliberately aimed at mocking me.

    Everything I've voiced is my opinion. Something which I am entitled to.

    If I assume wrong on the cannabis/prostitution in Pontefract remark, that means you would like to see it?

    Everything else I have stated are ideas not assumptions.

  • Legalised prostitution and canabis use in Amsterdam seems to work well but i don't think you'd like to see that happen in pontefract.

    Just imagine for a second crossing the road from valley gardens towards ropergate. At the minute there are traffic lights. If this was a roundabout how safe would you feel crossing at this location when traffic is constantly entering southgate? Some no doubt at unnapropriate speeds.

  • You think wrong. If you make assumptions about things which you know nothing about and which are demonstrably wrong, exactly what parts of your arguments do you expect people to believe?

    I have crossed that road for nigh on 50 years, and had four kids do the same for their entire Primary and Junior school life, so I don't need try to imagine it. Why do I always answer peoples questions when they never answer mine. I would not feel safe crossing at the roundabout you describe.

  • One thing i wouldn't mind doing is trying to compare the traffic lights at town end to the roundabout at Kirkgate in Wakefield.

    That roundabout gets very busy often with vehicles static on the roundabout itself.

    Travelling over that roundabout everyday and seeing some of the standards of driving on show has turned me hugely against roundabouts.

    The only benefit from this roundabout i can see is the subway underneath for pedestrians.

    A subway for pedestrians at town end?

  • Go Ahead!

    If you look at the film, you can see how well the roundabouts work in Holland, with something like close to 90% of the volume of people as Town End. Fundamentally in Holland cyclists and pedestrians are prioritised, and until their status is elevated here likewise, they will be marginalised in favour of humans who take up 10 times the space and do 1000 times the damage (yes, estimates, probably low).

    If an objective is to encourage pedestrians they should NOT be diverted.

  • I just take issue with your figure of £1m a month because it's all estimated.

    It would be interesting to see if putting a roundabout back there would have a significant effect but i think it's highly unlikely it will be changed now.

    My point is you're targetting these traffic lights when surely it would make more sense to target drink drivers, boy racers, disqualified drivers, uninsured drivers all of who will have a much larger social impact.

    Just type 'Pontefract Cruise' into youtube.

  • Of course the figures are estimates. Why is that a problem?

    I agree that without the "flogging in public" that the powers that be deserve, it is unlikely to change. They have more to do with self preservation than public safety.

    Other targets (Uninsured drivers etc). are laudable, but in Pontefract the TOTAL casualty bill should be c £2,721,056 pa, ergo these lights are a far greater public menace. Do the math. Read my figures. The local engineers don't seem to.

  • I don't really know where you are going here sjb. My point is that a social cost of £1,000,000 per month is more than 'a nuisance' and in the case of these lights could be eliminated with little cost. If we disagree about that and cost/benefits in general, well so be it.

    Now could I be a terrible nuisance and take £1,000,000 per month of you without your consent?

    What was Genghis Khan - a scamp?

  • I've got some references that point to the fact that accidents have increased throughout the pontefract and surrounding areas of castleford, featherstone, e.t.c due to dangerous and high speed driving.

    I can't post the link here but i'd be happy to pass it on to you.

    My point is that dangerous driving should be far more of a concern than a set of 'nuisance' traffic lights. If everybody drove sensibly with due care and attention we'd have a saving in advance of £1m per month.

  • I live in Carleton ! I travel far & wide and getting through lights is a nightmare whoever designed them should be flogged "in public" one day they'll wake up .

  • If my conclusions are correct (and no evidence has been furnished during the last ten tears to indicate otherwise), I think perhaps flogging might be disproportionate (I think it may have been metaphorical). Think about what Harold Shipman got for a murder a month and one might get a better handle on what the b******s deserve. (Sorry about swearing, but it beats killing every day)

  • It's obvious you're very passionate about traffic planning steve, but you only seem to be arguing from one side.

    All your statistics are provided to show why the traffic lights are bad and cause more casualties. There are other important factors which have been overlooked such as an increase in the volume of traffic through the area. Another oversight is the increase in the number of vehicles on the road.

    Kind Regards,

    John.

  • An increase in the volume of traffic through the area and/or the number of vehicles on the road is not any more of a significant factor than it is throughout the rest of the country (where casualties have reduced).

    If you can supply any evidence for any particular localised increases in traffic I would be happy to include them, but the volume per se does not affect the fact that the presence of this particular set of traffic lights inflict an added cost of about £1,000,000 a month.

  • Would you not agree though all you have to do at traffic lights is stop when red and go when green?

    The only way there can be an accident is through driver error. Therefore it's dangerous/careless driving causing accidents NOT the traffic lights.

    Can you provide evidence that there have been multiple deaths at town end?

    The £1m is an estimation and not directly due to town end. I'm sorry it's just not.

  • Dangerous driving is not any more of a significant factor than it is throughout the rest of the country (where casualties have reduced).

    If you can supply any evidence for any particular localised increases in dangerous driving I would be happy to include them, but whether people drive 'safely' or 'dangerously' does not affect the fact that the presence of this particular set of traffic lights inflict an added cost in the equivalent region of about one murder a month.

  • Could the increase of 50% be more to do with the visible increase of boy races in the area?

    I don't mind the lights apart from when you're heading towards barnsley and there is always an idiot cutting in from the wakefield lane. Dangerous driving is surely more of a factor?

  • The chances that the increases in accidents are not almost wholly down to the traffic lights are statistically insignificant.

    If you don't mind the massive increases in casualties and the associated increases in congestion, pollution, noise, stress, blight, vibration, behavioural modification, the 5 minutes to cross the road for a pedestrian, and if you are happy that corrupt idiots are getting paid to inflict these costs upon the society they are paid very well to cater for I envy you.

  • So have you had any progress guys?

  • Pigs might fly! Sorry Zircon, I wish we had engineers with morals.

  • just do a fucking doggie video

  • put the roundabouts back,take the walking out of the way.more cctv, ON THE ROUNDABOUTS,and put pontefract back on the map.and give the saving it will make back to the needey.

  • is this a joke??

    they are traffic lights and there is nothing wrong with them

    "Life has deteriorated in Pontefract since they were established" WTF

  • arrrrr my ome town shit hole

    !!!!!!

  • Pete Ramsden!!! I went to school with him. Good on yer Pete those lights are a nightmare!!!!

  • traffic lights should all be removed. it would mean for a more corteous and relaxed britain.

  • yeah sure lol i mean gillions have been spent on them cos they are a waste of time :o), lets have more dead people! let you run britain lol. Id rather top meself.

  • dont worry, ill do it for you. do some research and see how much better it is in the places where this has been implemented. and fyi, i dont mean padestrian crossings, i mean traffic lights...

  • i have to cross there every day 2 get to school

  • Maximum crossing time 6 minutes for 15 meters. You should be very angry. I wonder how friendly Bob Whyatt and Andy Kerr (The Engineers at Wakefield Met) are with the contractors for this travesty. (Last time we asked Andy Kerr to speak about some of the problems in Pontefract he said he wasn't familiar with them, or some other equivalent rubbish. These men will not answer the simple questions, so if you know them, ask them, why not??

  • Ugh they are only Traffic Lights.

  • Traffic lights which cost Millions of pounds per yearin accidents, lost time, noise, etc etc.

  • If an MP were to stand in this town of ours as an independant for the 'egt rid of town end traffic lights alliance' he/she'd win with a landslide. Bring back the roundabout

  • In Orange County, California, USA we're facing a point where most people don't realize it yet, but traffic lights are the reason why our traffic is horrendous and we allow the government to keep taking away more and more green space to make roads 3 and 4 lanes in each direction and cross walks over 10 lanes (not at all a lie, look at south orange county, california on the map). Great video! I will be sure to show it to people here!

  • That comment "gushing dump" as funny. I laughed.

    Quite a nicely produced video, the message seems to offer a useful politican hammer. Is the local press aware of this video? But next time Steve, give me a buzz and and we'll do it even better!

    Big up Celador!

    /C

  • Good day to you sir,

    If memory serves correctly, I believe that you are in fact a gushing dump on a pigeon's elbow.

    With that I bid you farewell.

    Dr. Winston F. Parker M.D.

  • I get so wound up by this that many a time I've thought; should I just take the back end off a car to prove a point... but I'm not prepared to damage my own bus and endanger others. People do that perfectly well without intention.

    Anyway, rant over and again, a good film. Your budgie obviously agrees that the Town End traffic lights are a farse! :-)

  • Last week I saw two vehicles (within 30mins of each other) go through

    red because they were looking at another set of lights further on that had changed to green. Another scenario that often happens is that people go through amber, get caught in the middle and if there's a queue they then block the passage for other users by staying on the hatched area. It's not easy to get through if you're driving a bus >>>

  • A very good video! Its funny how traffic flows a lot quicker and smoother when the lights are inoperative. Mainly because people have to be more aware of whats going on around them, they have to look more instead of relying upon lights telling them what to do. That's what causes the accidents. People assume everyone will stop when their lights are on green; they don't. People need to be aware, just as if they are at an unmarked crossroad or a normal junction without traffic signals >>>

  • Ponte is shit ne way so leave it out m8. your a bum  for making a video like this! there fuking traffic lights!

  • errr the traffic lights are shagged? he !! he !!

    trust our folk to come out wiv thaaa =]]

    O.**

    errrrr there traffic lights !! stops some accidents @ least !! =P

  • Well no wonder they get in so many accidents: They're driving on the wrong side of the road!

  • Can't understand a word they are saying.

  • I know that people have been complaining about this junction since it was originally modified, but has any assessment of traffic flows taken place?

    WMDC Highways must have assessed this junction as a roundabout, a give-way and a signal junction to see what the best solution is.

    Whatever form of junction is installed, there will always be queues at the junction of 4 busy roads!

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