Good job. And it's so funny how all the atheists tend to simply say "idiot christian your logic sucks yeah f u"... You would make yourselves look a lot more rational and intelligent if you didn't resemble the stereotypical, illogical militant atheist.
On my jstillwell1980 channel you can watch my refutation of this video . It's called Rationalresponder vs OpenAirAtheist where I refute him with his own holy book. Also check out my response entitled ""the virgin birth refuted. All are welcome believers and non. Thanks And don't die.
On my jstillwell1980 channel you can watch my refutation of this video . It's called Rationalresponder vs OpenAirAtheist where I refute him with his own holy book. Also check out my response entitled ""the virgin birth refuted. All are welcome believers and non. Thanks And don't die.
On my jstillwell1980 channel you can watch my refutation of this video . It's called Rationalresponder vs OpenAirAtheist where I refute him with his own holy book. Also check out my response entitled ""the virgin birth refuted. All are welcome believers and non. Thanks
DAMN. IF i had belived in creationism up to this point,YOU would have KILLED that with this BULLSHIT. You really should read more and get your shit straight. You look rediculous reading off the sheet,and say NOTHING that hasnt been said a million times before. Once you started in with the stove shit i really felt bad for you man. really. This is just hard to watch. SAD SAD SAD.
true word of god... LOL so you mean some crazy lunatic heard words and wrote it down. Stop making yourselves believe believe in something that you dont believe in. I feel pity for you.
there is something about this guy that just pisses me off...not only because hes an idiot christian but he looks like a complete tool bag and i would love to see him get his ass beat... that is all
I would love to debate you on this subject if ur willing how ever I am much more knowledgeable when it comes to koine Greek . Have u ever read the newtestament in it's original or just some translation.
I will also point out that u need to read the entire context do you know what Isa 54 says or how about 52?. The book of Isa goes from talking about the nation of Isreal in the plural then back into the singular.
Chad u need ISA 53 in it's original language and the u will see that it's not referring to Jesus. It's talking about the nation of Isreal and any rabbi would be able to validate that.
The bible ISN'T the true word of god. The bible was made 100 or so years AFTER Jesus died on the cross. Bunch of guys got together and came up with a bunch of stories that some people choose to believe in, and use it to guide christians and jews to be better people towards eachother. As an atheist, you might be surprised to know I appreciate the bible. It helps guide the masses that can't figure out a moral compass on their own. Doesn't mean it's word of god.
Have you tried this same experiment out with the Quran? I mean crying out to Allah to be lord and master of your life? The funny thing is that once you expressly command your own mind to surrender to an imagined authority, any authority, it will. We are evolved to follow authority and believe what figures of such authority tell us. The Bible also said that Christ would return in one generation. Let's look at all of the prophesies.
@jklarson66 That ìs NOT true. Jesus comes even to atheists in greatest need even if you do not believe! And as for answers,k He speaks staggering things - views that absolutely not is in my head. Sadly enough church and biblecrap has killed the living Jesus, He ios a mighty tool with supernatural powers, that is easily revealed´. Sadly enough you must bow a little to meet him, which makes it absolutely impossible for todays people. I do not believe in all thngs in the bible, nonono!
@mozzrt He is a tool alright, with about the same supernatural powers as Amida Buddha, Krishna, a lucky rabbit's foot, or an imaginary friend. I've tried all of these things including Jesus and there is absolutely no difference whatsoever. When it comes right down to it, nothing fails like prayer. I wasted too many years of my life trying to find truth in religion. It pales in comparison to the beauty of the natural world. Reality is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.
@jklarson66 NO, you havent. He has supernatural powers, do you really think that he expected the poor Christians on their way to the lions, to meet those lions just by 'believing' in a Christ? Would that have helped them? The other religions has not the spirit of God. And you have never met the spirit of Christ, it's mighty , heals, attracts animals, almost makes you levitate...but to get it one must bow. Very low. And give oneself to Jesus, you didn't do that. If you did, you would have had it.
@mozzrt Levitate? Are you crazy, or just plain stupid? I've seen plenty of magicians levitate but they didn't do it by praying. They do it be being clever enough to fool their audiences into believing the illusion just like priests and pastors do. You obviously have never been able to levitate by prayer. Claiming crazy nonsense like that does not make me more likely to believe you. Miracle claims are the telltale sign of a snake oil salesman.
@mozzrt I don't want to seem unnecessarily harsh about this. There's just no way to convey to you how desperately I pleaded for answers. I was humble, I was sincere, and I was passionate. The only difference is that I was not pleading for salvation but understanding. I didn't care what the result was so long as I could come closer to the truth. Sure enough, the answers began to come and they only brought me further and further from the supernatural. I didn't take it lightly. Truth is worth it.
@jklarson66 This reminds me of the story of Bart Ehrman, who entered bible school as an evangelical Christian, and came out as just a plain Christian, who discovered the bible was not the word of God, only the word of man. His study of suffering led him to become an agnostic. I myself am an ex-christian, but never did entertain the idea that there was no God.
@k0smon I saw a girl die today. She couldn't have been more than 25. She got t-boned by a truck going sixty mph right outside my office. By the time they pulled her out of the car she had already stopped breathing and lost her pulse. The guy who hit her was only 18.
I understand someone maybe not being sure, but can you honestly say that it's never even occured to you that there might not be a magical man in the sky? Today I really wished for someone to pray to. There's just nobody there.
@jklarson66 I was a hospital worker and have seen many people die. To know that the person does not 'die', but only changes state, is a great comfort. I believe in a creator because life, and the universe, are just too complex to have 'happened'. That is too great a stretch of my credulity to imagine something came from nothing. The fields of NDE, psychics, ghosts, seances, OOBE, EVPs; all are indicators of another dimension of life.
@k0smon It doesn't shake you to know that all of the supernatural claims you've listed have been exposed as frauds? You argument basically boils down to the claim that anything you don't understand must not have a natural answer at all. Are you so brilliant that you already understand everything that can possibly be understood while everything else could only function magically? Wouldn't that supernatural creator be too complex to have just existed without any cause?
@jklarson66 Quite some flights of fancy you have there. I understand a lot more about this subject than you do, because you are busy denying it while I study it. There are a few frauds in any field, so you want to call all psychics frauds. Not so. Ask their clients if they feel defrauded. Just as your dog is not capable of speaking English, so we as humans are not capable of a full understanding of God, or intelligent design.
@k0smon Is it fair to use the delusion of an afterlife to shake loose all of your outrage and compassion when a person dies senselessly? What responsibiliy could we possibly have towards each other if some magical afterlife renders death meaningless to us? It is a tragedy when people die. Lying to ourselves about what death is doesn't make the tragedy go away, it only numbs us and robs us of human responsibility and compassion.
@jklarson66 You make the assumption that the afterlife is a delusion, something you cannot prove. I can muster a lot more evidence to support the presence of an afterlife than you can find evidence against it. No matter what we eventually prove about the afterlife, death will never be meaningless to us. It always makes changes. You don't think it is compassionate to ease someone's suffering by assuring them that their depart relatives are in a safe place and happy? Don't be so pessimistic.
@k0smon Every part of consciousness from senses to cognition, memory, and language has been identified as a process carried out by a specific part of the brain. Damage a part of the brain and you lose the function it carried out. What makes you think that if you destroy the entire brain then all of these functions magically continue on all by themselves? What evidence could you possibly have for an afterlife? If ghost stories and psychics is all you've got to go on then you've been conned.
@jklarson66 You have explained the brain - now explain the mind. That is where the mystery lies. NDEers who have out of body experiences, and can explain all that goes on during a period when they have no brain waves, obviously are not using their brain. How can a person blind from birth report being able to use sight during one of these episodes? Lots of research takes place in this field. Moody, Morse, Kubler-Ross to name a few.
Repeatable evidence takes place at seances. See Victor Zammit.
@k0smon And no, I don't think it's compassionate at all to treat a grieving person like a child. I lost my dad this past summer and all I wanted to was understanding from others about what a wonderful person he was and how terrible it was to loose him. People who told me he was "in a better place" seemed like they were trying to make light of his death and it hurt. Death isn't something to be made light of with fairy tale lies. It's a tragedy and denying any part of that tragedy is inhuman.
@jklarson66 Chidish is when you refuse to open your eyes to the preponderance of evidence. Doubt and skepicism is one thing, absolute refusing to look at the evidence is another. Losing loved ones is never easy, but many who grieve find comfort in the hope of the continuation of life. Your predisposition to not believe in the continuation of life is causing you emotional harm. "Terrible", and "tragedy" are key words here. Loss is real, but not hopeless. Everyone dies. There is a bigger plan
@k0smon What evidence? I asked some very serious questions about how conscious experience could take place without a brain and you didn't give me an answer. You haven't presented me with even a scrap of evidence and then chide me for ignoring the evidence I haven't been presented with. I wasn't predisposed to disbelieving in an afterlife. I believed in one for a long time until I learned that all of the real repeatable evidence indicates that consciousness is carried out by a physical brain.
@jklarson66 I told you the answer. The answer is the mind. It is elusive; doctors do not fully understand it, but it is there, working. Do some research. The evidence is in the experiences of those who have NDEs, psychic contacts, psychical research societies, even the ghost hunters. You think all of those who have these experiences are just joking? Have you checked out Victor Zammit? He has mucho evidence.
@k0smon Frankly, it doesn't matter to me that I might be happier believing in an afterlife. That's no more relevant than to say a drunk man is often happier than a sober one. The truth matters to me. I lived my life entertaining superstitious fantasy for far too long and it was only destructive. I would give anything to have those years back when I may as well have been sleepwalking through life. Warm fuzzy feelings do not make up for the consequences of turning one's back on reality.
@jklarson66 You have a very near-sighted idea of what reality is. I don't know what caused you to contract your vision like this, but I'm sure it could not have been pleasant. Are you really certain that reality is only limited to the five senses? Theoretical physicists are postulating multiple dimensions. There is much more to reality than what you can see with your physical eyes. Do you accept the reality of UFOs? Couldn't there be life in a different dimension? Expand your horizons.
@k0smon I am certain that there is more to reality than what our senses can detect. I am certain that there is more to reality than I currently know or understand. That does not mean that I can take free license to believe in anything I want to regardless of evidence. If you present me with convincing evidence that there is some aspect of consciousness that is never impeded or destroyed by any kind of brain damage, then I will be happy to believe in an afterlife. I'm still waiting for evidence.
@k0smon You do a lot of rambling on about how much evidence there is for an afterlife. Seriously, I'd love to hear it. Cognition goes away when the frontal cortex is damaged. Vision is lost when the occipital lobe is damaged. Memories are lost without the hippocampus. The Wernicke's region processes language comprehension. The Broca's region enables language production. Which part of a person's conscious experience cannot be destroyed by damage to the brain? Exactly which part of you lives on?
@k0smon P.S. - Do I accept the reality of UFO's?!? What kind of hillbilly crackpot are you? If you really want to make your case, you should try saying the least amount of ridiculous things as possible. Try to sound like a functioning member of society rather than a Tea Party protester who's run out of medication. Those multiple dimensions aren't working out so well anyway. In case you don't know, the evidence to support that theory is 0. I don't buy atheist superstition without evidence either.
@jklarson66 You seem to have a problem with reality. You seem to have a problem with UFOs. Even physicists accept their possibility. I have no reason to make any kind of a case to you, especially one as obtuse as you are. Believe what you like, and have as good of a life as you can. Adios.
@k0smon It is one thing to believe in the likelihood that life exists elsewhere and another thing entirely to believe that there is intelligent life actively making contact with us but still being very careful to only contact drunks and schizophrenics.
@k0smon My final take on you is pretty grim. I asked you repeatedly for evidence and you presented absolutely nothing. You said that you studied this kind of thing for a living and still could point to no studies or peer reviewed papers on the subject which means you don't study anything. I can only assume that you are nothing more than an opportunistic con artist preying on griefstricken people desperate to hear a comforting story. Even worse, you believe your own bs. Run you coward.
@mozzrt The Creator is all powerful. Why would He need a Jesus? There were many prophets to deliver the message. Simplify religion. Just recognize GOD IS. Micah 6:8 sums it up.
the bible was not writen by God and Jesus...twas writen by men! prophets...kings...Godly men Moses...Matthew...David...Solomen...Mark...John...Paul..Isiah....and a lot more.. i cant name them all from the top of my head. Glory to God!
"Religion has ever filled the mind of man with darkness, and kept him in ignorance of his real duties and true interests. It is only by dispelling the clouds and phantoms of Religion, that we shall discover Truth, Reason, and Morality. Religion diverts us from the causes of evils, and from the remedies which nature prescribes; far from curing, it only aggravates, multiplies, and perpetuates them." - Baron d'Holbach
@atheistkyo "Truth, Reason, and Morality" in an atheistic worldview lol??? Atheism cant make sense of anything in reality be it the Laws of Logic, Math, or Science. All stolen from the Christian worldview. "Religion diverts us from the causes of evils, and from the remedies which nature prescribes" - Thats funny because there is no absolute standard to judge off of to deem acts as "evil", so "evil" doesnt even eixts in atheism. Nature solves morality???? Lol????
You have to love this guy for trying....but seriously someone trying to use logic to prove the existence of god should really brush up on a few of the basics. Try Wittgenstein, or look into Modal Logic.
@caycug1 No, Im not afraid. You are crazy, at least own up to your actions, your not a very good Advert for Christians you know, so far you have shown yourself to be an under-educated ignorant liar, aswel as desceptive.
@UMNERRR Dude...relax. I haven't spammed anyone. There is obviously someone reading these posts, and marking them as spam. It's probably because you keep asking "WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?" I have no reason to spam any of your comments, because I'm giving good answers to them. I would love to continue our banter, but I have to get to work. Don't let the atheists brainwash you. Cheers.
@caycug1 There's no need to delete your comments, I can handle it. We don't have the right to not to be offended it's a side effect of living in the free world. Religion is not a innocent as it may seem alot of wars are fought over it and alot of people live under repression because of it and that is why I fight it with everything I have got. Long live Richard Dawkin!
@UMNERRR I try to follow what Jesus taught. He said "Love one another". He also said "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you." God is not about "religion". God is about love.
@caycug1 The problem is the Romans hijacked Christianity as a means of uniting the empire and since then it has been a repressive, hypocritic instituition that twists everything in the Bible to it's own ends. The New Testiment wasn't written until 300 A.D. hence it is not the word of Jesus. It has never been the word of Jesus. And if Jesus did exist he was a liar, that is why the Jews did what they did. They knew he was lying because God was their invention!
@UMNERRR God is not an invention. Everything that exists has purpose. There is nothing that exists that does not have purpose. The omnipotent God is the initiator of everything that exists. Something can't come from nothing. God is eternal, and therefore has always existed. God spoke everything into existence. This is simple logic. What don't you understand about this?
@caycug1 Another thing... I told you about chocolate teapots and inflatable dartboards... to say they are here to show us how not make them is quite frankly ridiculess!
@UMNERRR They also exist to show us the sorts of things that can be made with chocolate, and plastic. They also exist to provide jobs for people, so that they can pay for shelter and feed themselves and their families.
@caycug1 You're very quick to reply normally now when I ask you If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? You go all quiet... why?
@caycug1 How ungodly - a microwave? I didn't know god sent that down from heaven? How dare you use scientific technology!? And please answer my question If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? You cannot say he always excisted that is a cop out. That is something (god
@evolutionist101 EXACTLY.... He fucking spammed you? what a joke. This fucking dude has got to be kidding. Wheres YOUR FAITH GUYS? these dudes are trying to convince themselves while making the video. LOLOLOL. What a joke.
@caycug1 I can't help notice your 'God is not an invention' comment. What makes you think that everything that exists has a purpose? Do you mean 'Purpose - an aim or a goal'? If so the purpose is derived, hence 'the purpose of the internet is to laugh at Christians.....'. Purpose is a trivial human concept, akin to intent - which relies upon an emotional desire for a specific outcome. The world has no purpose except that given to it by human thought.
@MrMcatheist The world exists. Just like everything else that exists, the world has a purpose. The world exists as a testament to God's greatness. Can you name anything that has been designed by humans, that does not have a purpose? No. We mirror nature (how can we not, for we are part of it). Since we design, we know that God designed.
@caycug1 Hmm, just re-read my comment again slowly........OK! So you see just because something is said to exist, does not mean it has a purpose. The purpose of this rock is to be thrown at your head! Purpose is merely a human concept. Why should the universe have a purpose? Does the asteroid belt serve some cosmic purpose? Your trapped in asking 'Why?' When all we can really answer is 'How?' Read 'The Blind Watchmaker'
@MrMcatheist God designed us to ask "Why?" We are part of nature. It is natural to ask "Why?" The omnipotent entity that created everything designed us to ask "Why?"
If is obvious that everything has a purpose. It is irrational to suppose that nothing has purpose. It is scientific to state that something has a purpose...a function. There is nothing that exists that does not have a function.
@caycug1 You have no logic. If god designed us to ask why, THEN WHY do so many people get smited, repressed, killed or worse for asking that very question? Why?
@UMNERRR God designed everything...I didn't. You should ask Him. God is good...not bad. He is righteous and just. His plan is the best plan. He knows what He is doing.
@caycug1 I wouldn't know where to find the illusive bugger plus I have reason to believe he is a mute. Good and bad are relative so I won't get into that old debate and his plan yes have you got the blueprints for this grand plan I'd love to see them.
@UMNERRR The blueprints.... That is one of the fun things about life...we get to try to find the answers. If we were given all the answers, what fun would that be?
@UMNERRR That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that people aren't allowed to ask "Why?" It is natural to ask why....that is the way that God designed us.
@caycug1 So you want to change your mind and say everything has a function? it's up to you I suppose....lets run it through..whats the function of this stone? It's up to the user....just like the purpose. You cannot simply decide that the world (or by extension yourself?) 'must' have a purpose/function because you want it to be so. Is it really that hard to believe that the entire universe is just a 'happening' - with no feelings either way. Somethings just are.
@MrMcatheist Everything that exists has a function. The stone has a function, and it's not up to me what the function is. The world doesn't have a function just because "I want it to". It doesn't have anything to do with feelings. Something can't come from nothing. There has to be an initial function/design.
@caycug1 I am only trying to help you friend. Ask yourself, why do I think everything has a function? The stone has many functions - each ascribed to it by the user. No-one is 'using' the universe...it really is without function/purpose/design, it just is. (A bit like your concept of God!)
@MrMcatheist I haven't ever flagged anyone for spam. That is obviously the work of an outsider. Just because something appears to not being "used", doesn't mean that it doesn't have a function. According to science, everything that exists has a function. I have to get back to work, but if you have any more comments I will try to respond at another time.
By this chain of reasoning, than i guess all UFO's Ghosts, and every acid trip ever is factual. There is absolutely no difference between experiencing the realness of the holy ghost,and UFOs. People who think they have been abducted, have very precise accounts and say they have really felt it. That is because they have convinced themselves that this was the case, just like a church convinces there members that are touched by the holy ghost. We end up fooling ourselves rather than doing anything
@caycug1 1. "Existence implies purpose." ASSERTION, NOT EVIDENCE.
2. "Purpose implies design." Snowballs down from here. Your first assertion pretty much makes the rest of your list....well...assertions. therefor...you haven't demonstrated evidence. Nice try....well..not really.
@evolutionist101 There is nothing that exists that doesn't have a purpose. So (1.) is not simply an assertion. Does your eyeball exist? Yes. Does it have a purpose? Yes. Therefore, existence implies purpose.
@caycug1 I understand a lot of things.....believing in magic is not one of them. You have replaced the two words, "RESULT OF" with the word PURPOSE. You have ASSERTED purpose...you have not DEMONSTRATED purpose. Two different things.
@caycug1 You must have missed the part that everything that exists is a RESULT OF something. Repeating rhetoric like a robot doesn't make it so. You have ASSERTED purpose. You have not produced evidence. The basis for your entire argument (to steal a phrase) is built on sand. Completely flawed. Congrats.
PART 2: How does "purpose implying design" prove YOUR God? Is that based on assertions as well?
@evolutionist101 Since it is obvious that something can't come from nothing, it is necessary that an omnipotent entity is responsible for the creation of all things. That "omnipotent entity" has left His fingerprints all over creation. You can tell much about an artist, just by looking at his artwork.
@caycug1 I see you're sticking to the script. Simply assume things are true to make it fit in your pre-conceived notion of magic. Your logic states that "something" must exist (your god)...because something cannot come from nothing....yet your god (which is something) can exist from nothing. Now...THAT'S SOLID. :)
How about...matter has always existed in some form or another? NOWAY!! Something cannot come from nothing! Except my god! Quite humorous.
@caycug1 Yes. I'm understanding now. Something can't come from NOTHING. Unless it's your god. Makes perfect sense! No double standard there!! (sarcasm)
@evolutionist101 Omnipotent: Function: adjective; Almighty; Having unlimited power. Function: noun; One who is omnipotent; God (See Merriam-Webster) It's scientific.
@caycug1 I've already read the entire Bible. Have you read the entire Qu'ran? Have you read the book of Mormon? Can you see that reading scripture is not evidence?
@caycug1 I see you over looked this comment I made.." I've already read the entire Bible. Have you read the entire Qu'ran? Have you read the book of Mormon? Can you see that reading scripture is not evidence?"
As for Gods "plan" and "design". Don't you love it when his "plan" includes the rape,torture and murder of 5 year old children? As for "design"...don't you love it when you bite the inside of your mouth? PERFECT design!!
@evolutionist101 Matter is not eternal. Matter is made of energy (electromagnetic radiation), which is light. God is light, and He formed matter simply by speaking it into existence. He has a design and purpose for everything that He has spoken into existence.
@caycug1 I could. I could sit here typing until the sun goes down. But off the top of my head... and I could choose anything but for debates sake lets say the Oil Disaster over in in the States.
@UMNERRR There are multitudinous purposes for the oil disaster. Here I'll list two: 1. It was so that they learn from their mistakes. 2. To show that humans are imperfect.
@caycug1 Hmm - it seems whatever I say - you will say 'God did it'.
And unless you believe god has mysteriously taken the form of British Petroleum THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS. I don't recall BP being present in the Bible.
@UMNERRR BP exists. BP has purpose. There is nothing that exists which does not have a purpose. There was an initial purpose (design) for everything that exists. Something can't come from nothing.
@evolutionist101 Not a "magical skydaddy". But an intelligent "entity" that has designed everything with purpose. There is nothing that exists that does not have a purpose. Purpose can't come from nothing. We can see "fingerprints" of the omnipotent "entity" within His creation. We can hear the sound of His symphony. We can see the cadence of His poetry.
@UMNERRR God is omnipotent. That means that He is all powerful, and eternal, and operates outside the realm of mere physics. God is light, and He spoke all things into existence. He has designed everything with purpose. There is nothing that exists which does not have a purpose.
@caycug1 How about an inflatable dartboard, a chocote kettle or even a plastic fireguard? The list is endless have you ever bought anything from China?
@UMNERRR I thought that we were having an intelligent conversation. Yet you need to resort to absurdity...maybe because to believe that there is no God is absurd.
@UMNERRR Not a cop out. Makes total sense. Everything has purpose. Some entity was responsible for designing that initial purpose. We call that entity God. His fingerprints can be seen all over His creation.
@caycug1 How about an inflatable dartboard, a chocolate kettle or even a plastic fireguard? The list is endless have you ever bought anything from China?
No, the bible is a book for fairytales.
papermermaid 4 months ago
do you believe that God created gay people for a reason?
saunei 5 months ago
Good job. And it's so funny how all the atheists tend to simply say "idiot christian your logic sucks yeah f u"... You would make yourselves look a lot more rational and intelligent if you didn't resemble the stereotypical, illogical militant atheist.
TheAntiochus 9 months ago
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OpenAirAtheist 10 months ago
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OpenAirAtheist 10 months ago
On my jstillwell1980 channel you can watch my refutation of this video . It's called Rationalresponder vs OpenAirAtheist where I refute him with his own holy book. Also check out my response entitled ""the virgin birth refuted. All are welcome believers and non. Thanks
OpenAirAtheist 10 months ago
DAMN. IF i had belived in creationism up to this point,YOU would have KILLED that with this BULLSHIT. You really should read more and get your shit straight. You look rediculous reading off the sheet,and say NOTHING that hasnt been said a million times before. Once you started in with the stove shit i really felt bad for you man. really. This is just hard to watch. SAD SAD SAD.
justlayinglow333 10 months ago
true word of god... LOL so you mean some crazy lunatic heard words and wrote it down. Stop making yourselves believe believe in something that you dont believe in. I feel pity for you.
bkim9289 10 months ago
there is something about this guy that just pisses me off...not only because hes an idiot christian but he looks like a complete tool bag and i would love to see him get his ass beat... that is all
aRchEneMy543 10 months ago
I would love to debate you on this subject if ur willing how ever I am much more knowledgeable when it comes to koine Greek . Have u ever read the newtestament in it's original or just some translation.
jstillwell1980 1 year ago
I will also point out that u need to read the entire context do you know what Isa 54 says or how about 52?. The book of Isa goes from talking about the nation of Isreal in the plural then back into the singular.
jstillwell1980 1 year ago
Chad u need ISA 53 in it's original language and the u will see that it's not referring to Jesus. It's talking about the nation of Isreal and any rabbi would be able to validate that.
jstillwell1980 1 year ago
the Bible is clearly the word of God.
TangerineGroovin 1 year ago
No
darbone 1 year ago
The bible ISN'T the true word of god. The bible was made 100 or so years AFTER Jesus died on the cross. Bunch of guys got together and came up with a bunch of stories that some people choose to believe in, and use it to guide christians and jews to be better people towards eachother. As an atheist, you might be surprised to know I appreciate the bible. It helps guide the masses that can't figure out a moral compass on their own. Doesn't mean it's word of god.
BigLundi 1 year ago
Once again..., silly circular logic. Suprise suprise.
crazy4carolyn 1 year ago
Have you tried this same experiment out with the Quran? I mean crying out to Allah to be lord and master of your life? The funny thing is that once you expressly command your own mind to surrender to an imagined authority, any authority, it will. We are evolved to follow authority and believe what figures of such authority tell us. The Bible also said that Christ would return in one generation. Let's look at all of the prophesies.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 That ìs NOT true. Jesus comes even to atheists in greatest need even if you do not believe! And as for answers,k He speaks staggering things - views that absolutely not is in my head. Sadly enough church and biblecrap has killed the living Jesus, He ios a mighty tool with supernatural powers, that is easily revealed´. Sadly enough you must bow a little to meet him, which makes it absolutely impossible for todays people. I do not believe in all thngs in the bible, nonono!
mozzrt 1 year ago
@mozzrt He is a tool alright, with about the same supernatural powers as Amida Buddha, Krishna, a lucky rabbit's foot, or an imaginary friend. I've tried all of these things including Jesus and there is absolutely no difference whatsoever. When it comes right down to it, nothing fails like prayer. I wasted too many years of my life trying to find truth in religion. It pales in comparison to the beauty of the natural world. Reality is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 NO, you havent. He has supernatural powers, do you really think that he expected the poor Christians on their way to the lions, to meet those lions just by 'believing' in a Christ? Would that have helped them? The other religions has not the spirit of God. And you have never met the spirit of Christ, it's mighty , heals, attracts animals, almost makes you levitate...but to get it one must bow. Very low. And give oneself to Jesus, you didn't do that. If you did, you would have had it.
mozzrt 1 year ago
@mozzrt Levitate? Are you crazy, or just plain stupid? I've seen plenty of magicians levitate but they didn't do it by praying. They do it be being clever enough to fool their audiences into believing the illusion just like priests and pastors do. You obviously have never been able to levitate by prayer. Claiming crazy nonsense like that does not make me more likely to believe you. Miracle claims are the telltale sign of a snake oil salesman.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 OK you know best no doubt.
mozzrt 1 year ago
@mozzrt I don't want to seem unnecessarily harsh about this. There's just no way to convey to you how desperately I pleaded for answers. I was humble, I was sincere, and I was passionate. The only difference is that I was not pleading for salvation but understanding. I didn't care what the result was so long as I could come closer to the truth. Sure enough, the answers began to come and they only brought me further and further from the supernatural. I didn't take it lightly. Truth is worth it.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 This reminds me of the story of Bart Ehrman, who entered bible school as an evangelical Christian, and came out as just a plain Christian, who discovered the bible was not the word of God, only the word of man. His study of suffering led him to become an agnostic. I myself am an ex-christian, but never did entertain the idea that there was no God.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon I saw a girl die today. She couldn't have been more than 25. She got t-boned by a truck going sixty mph right outside my office. By the time they pulled her out of the car she had already stopped breathing and lost her pulse. The guy who hit her was only 18.
I understand someone maybe not being sure, but can you honestly say that it's never even occured to you that there might not be a magical man in the sky? Today I really wished for someone to pray to. There's just nobody there.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 I was a hospital worker and have seen many people die. To know that the person does not 'die', but only changes state, is a great comfort. I believe in a creator because life, and the universe, are just too complex to have 'happened'. That is too great a stretch of my credulity to imagine something came from nothing. The fields of NDE, psychics, ghosts, seances, OOBE, EVPs; all are indicators of another dimension of life.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon It doesn't shake you to know that all of the supernatural claims you've listed have been exposed as frauds? You argument basically boils down to the claim that anything you don't understand must not have a natural answer at all. Are you so brilliant that you already understand everything that can possibly be understood while everything else could only function magically? Wouldn't that supernatural creator be too complex to have just existed without any cause?
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 Quite some flights of fancy you have there. I understand a lot more about this subject than you do, because you are busy denying it while I study it. There are a few frauds in any field, so you want to call all psychics frauds. Not so. Ask their clients if they feel defrauded. Just as your dog is not capable of speaking English, so we as humans are not capable of a full understanding of God, or intelligent design.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon Is it fair to use the delusion of an afterlife to shake loose all of your outrage and compassion when a person dies senselessly? What responsibiliy could we possibly have towards each other if some magical afterlife renders death meaningless to us? It is a tragedy when people die. Lying to ourselves about what death is doesn't make the tragedy go away, it only numbs us and robs us of human responsibility and compassion.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 You make the assumption that the afterlife is a delusion, something you cannot prove. I can muster a lot more evidence to support the presence of an afterlife than you can find evidence against it. No matter what we eventually prove about the afterlife, death will never be meaningless to us. It always makes changes. You don't think it is compassionate to ease someone's suffering by assuring them that their depart relatives are in a safe place and happy? Don't be so pessimistic.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon Every part of consciousness from senses to cognition, memory, and language has been identified as a process carried out by a specific part of the brain. Damage a part of the brain and you lose the function it carried out. What makes you think that if you destroy the entire brain then all of these functions magically continue on all by themselves? What evidence could you possibly have for an afterlife? If ghost stories and psychics is all you've got to go on then you've been conned.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 You have explained the brain - now explain the mind. That is where the mystery lies. NDEers who have out of body experiences, and can explain all that goes on during a period when they have no brain waves, obviously are not using their brain. How can a person blind from birth report being able to use sight during one of these episodes? Lots of research takes place in this field. Moody, Morse, Kubler-Ross to name a few.
Repeatable evidence takes place at seances. See Victor Zammit.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon And no, I don't think it's compassionate at all to treat a grieving person like a child. I lost my dad this past summer and all I wanted to was understanding from others about what a wonderful person he was and how terrible it was to loose him. People who told me he was "in a better place" seemed like they were trying to make light of his death and it hurt. Death isn't something to be made light of with fairy tale lies. It's a tragedy and denying any part of that tragedy is inhuman.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 Chidish is when you refuse to open your eyes to the preponderance of evidence. Doubt and skepicism is one thing, absolute refusing to look at the evidence is another. Losing loved ones is never easy, but many who grieve find comfort in the hope of the continuation of life. Your predisposition to not believe in the continuation of life is causing you emotional harm. "Terrible", and "tragedy" are key words here. Loss is real, but not hopeless. Everyone dies. There is a bigger plan
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon What evidence? I asked some very serious questions about how conscious experience could take place without a brain and you didn't give me an answer. You haven't presented me with even a scrap of evidence and then chide me for ignoring the evidence I haven't been presented with. I wasn't predisposed to disbelieving in an afterlife. I believed in one for a long time until I learned that all of the real repeatable evidence indicates that consciousness is carried out by a physical brain.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 I told you the answer. The answer is the mind. It is elusive; doctors do not fully understand it, but it is there, working. Do some research. The evidence is in the experiences of those who have NDEs, psychic contacts, psychical research societies, even the ghost hunters. You think all of those who have these experiences are just joking? Have you checked out Victor Zammit? He has mucho evidence.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon Frankly, it doesn't matter to me that I might be happier believing in an afterlife. That's no more relevant than to say a drunk man is often happier than a sober one. The truth matters to me. I lived my life entertaining superstitious fantasy for far too long and it was only destructive. I would give anything to have those years back when I may as well have been sleepwalking through life. Warm fuzzy feelings do not make up for the consequences of turning one's back on reality.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 You have a very near-sighted idea of what reality is. I don't know what caused you to contract your vision like this, but I'm sure it could not have been pleasant. Are you really certain that reality is only limited to the five senses? Theoretical physicists are postulating multiple dimensions. There is much more to reality than what you can see with your physical eyes. Do you accept the reality of UFOs? Couldn't there be life in a different dimension? Expand your horizons.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon I am certain that there is more to reality than what our senses can detect. I am certain that there is more to reality than I currently know or understand. That does not mean that I can take free license to believe in anything I want to regardless of evidence. If you present me with convincing evidence that there is some aspect of consciousness that is never impeded or destroyed by any kind of brain damage, then I will be happy to believe in an afterlife. I'm still waiting for evidence.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@k0smon You do a lot of rambling on about how much evidence there is for an afterlife. Seriously, I'd love to hear it. Cognition goes away when the frontal cortex is damaged. Vision is lost when the occipital lobe is damaged. Memories are lost without the hippocampus. The Wernicke's region processes language comprehension. The Broca's region enables language production. Which part of a person's conscious experience cannot be destroyed by damage to the brain? Exactly which part of you lives on?
jklarson66 1 year ago
@k0smon P.S. - Do I accept the reality of UFO's?!? What kind of hillbilly crackpot are you? If you really want to make your case, you should try saying the least amount of ridiculous things as possible. Try to sound like a functioning member of society rather than a Tea Party protester who's run out of medication. Those multiple dimensions aren't working out so well anyway. In case you don't know, the evidence to support that theory is 0. I don't buy atheist superstition without evidence either.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@jklarson66 You seem to have a problem with reality. You seem to have a problem with UFOs. Even physicists accept their possibility. I have no reason to make any kind of a case to you, especially one as obtuse as you are. Believe what you like, and have as good of a life as you can. Adios.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon It is one thing to believe in the likelihood that life exists elsewhere and another thing entirely to believe that there is intelligent life actively making contact with us but still being very careful to only contact drunks and schizophrenics.
Final summation in the next comment...
jklarson66 1 year ago
@k0smon My final take on you is pretty grim. I asked you repeatedly for evidence and you presented absolutely nothing. You said that you studied this kind of thing for a living and still could point to no studies or peer reviewed papers on the subject which means you don't study anything. I can only assume that you are nothing more than an opportunistic con artist preying on griefstricken people desperate to hear a comforting story. Even worse, you believe your own bs. Run you coward.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@mozzrt Best of luck and peace to you wherever your search leads.
jklarson66 1 year ago
@mozzrt The Creator is all powerful. Why would He need a Jesus? There were many prophets to deliver the message. Simplify religion. Just recognize GOD IS. Micah 6:8 sums it up.
k0smon 1 year ago
the bible was not writen by God and Jesus...twas writen by men! prophets...kings...Godly men Moses...Matthew...David...Solomen...Mark...John...Paul..Isiah....and a lot more.. i cant name them all from the top of my head. Glory to God!
newworldboss 1 year ago
"Religion has ever filled the mind of man with darkness, and kept him in ignorance of his real duties and true interests. It is only by dispelling the clouds and phantoms of Religion, that we shall discover Truth, Reason, and Morality. Religion diverts us from the causes of evils, and from the remedies which nature prescribes; far from curing, it only aggravates, multiplies, and perpetuates them." - Baron d'Holbach
atheistkyo 1 year ago
@atheistkyo "Truth, Reason, and Morality" in an atheistic worldview lol??? Atheism cant make sense of anything in reality be it the Laws of Logic, Math, or Science. All stolen from the Christian worldview. "Religion diverts us from the causes of evils, and from the remedies which nature prescribes" - Thats funny because there is no absolute standard to judge off of to deem acts as "evil", so "evil" doesnt even eixts in atheism. Nature solves morality???? Lol????
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 There is no evil. Prove there is one.
richaldeano 1 year ago
If the bible is the word of god and you have read the bible how can you follow him?
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 1 year ago
Purpose and Function do not mean the same thing, pick up the Dictionary as opposed to the Bible and you shall see.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
Work getting in the way of converting the infedels? What has this world come to I thought the only work was gods work?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
You have to love this guy for trying....but seriously someone trying to use logic to prove the existence of god should really brush up on a few of the basics. Try Wittgenstein, or look into Modal Logic.
MrMcatheist 1 year ago 4
@MrMcatheist This guy knows what he is saying. The Bible says if you deny Christ, he will deny you before the father.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
@caycug1 Why are you markin evolutionist101 messages as spam? Have a little faith in what you say, you are a believer are you not?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR I'm not. I've never marked anything as spam. I don't have any idea who did that.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Yeah course not. ;-)
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR You can believe what you like. I've never marked anything as spam. You must be paranoid.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 No, Im not afraid. You are crazy, at least own up to your actions, your not a very good Advert for Christians you know, so far you have shown yourself to be an under-educated ignorant liar, aswel as desceptive.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR Dude...relax. I haven't spammed anyone. There is obviously someone reading these posts, and marking them as spam. It's probably because you keep asking "WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?" I have no reason to spam any of your comments, because I'm giving good answers to them. I would love to continue our banter, but I have to get to work. Don't let the atheists brainwash you. Cheers.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 I am an athiest and you are Brainwashed... brainwashed with the God Delusion! Work? I hope you're not a doctor.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 what you really mean is 'I cant argue with you anymore until I have spoken to my priest/bishop/mum?'
MrMcatheist 1 year ago
@MrMcatheist Typical atheist comment. Paranoid and not based on reality.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Aww I thought you had gone! Welcome back to the debate! Whats this about me being paranoid?
MrMcatheist 1 year ago
@caycug1 Congratulations! You are now a confirmed liar! ;-)
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 You are a liar you're spamming mine now too - you are a sore loser!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
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So If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? Did he just speak himself into existance?
UMNERRR 1 year ago 3
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UMNERRR 1 year ago
Well said. God bless you brother.
caycug1 1 year ago
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caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 There's no need to delete your comments, I can handle it. We don't have the right to not to be offended it's a side effect of living in the free world. Religion is not a innocent as it may seem alot of wars are fought over it and alot of people live under repression because of it and that is why I fight it with everything I have got. Long live Richard Dawkin!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR I try to follow what Jesus taught. He said "Love one another". He also said "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you." God is not about "religion". God is about love.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 The problem is the Romans hijacked Christianity as a means of uniting the empire and since then it has been a repressive, hypocritic instituition that twists everything in the Bible to it's own ends. The New Testiment wasn't written until 300 A.D. hence it is not the word of Jesus. It has never been the word of Jesus. And if Jesus did exist he was a liar, that is why the Jews did what they did. They knew he was lying because God was their invention!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR God is not an invention. Everything that exists has purpose. There is nothing that exists that does not have purpose. The omnipotent God is the initiator of everything that exists. Something can't come from nothing. God is eternal, and therefore has always existed. God spoke everything into existence. This is simple logic. What don't you understand about this?
caycug1 1 year ago
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@caycug1 YOU KEEP IGNORING MY POINT! If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 Another thing... I told you about chocolate teapots and inflatable dartboards... to say they are here to show us how not make them is quite frankly ridiculess!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR They also exist to show us the sorts of things that can be made with chocolate, and plastic. They also exist to provide jobs for people, so that they can pay for shelter and feed themselves and their families.
caycug1 1 year ago
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@caycug1 So again please tell me If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?
UMNERRR 1 year ago 3
@UMNERRR God is omnipotent and eternal. He has always existed, and will always exist.
caycug1 1 year ago
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@caycug1 You're very quick to reply normally now when I ask you If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? You go all quiet... why?
UMNERRR 1 year ago 3
@UMNERRR I was putting my lunch in the microwave oven.
caycug1 1 year ago
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@caycug1 How ungodly - a microwave? I didn't know god sent that down from heaven? How dare you use scientific technology!? And please answer my question If something cannot come from nothing then WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? You cannot say he always excisted that is a cop out. That is something (god
UMNERRR 1 year ago 2
@caycug1 ) coming from nothing.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 What are you having for tea? Ambrosia?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 Did you really mark my comments as spam? Wow...cowardly and typical of christians...nice. So technically.....you have no argument.
evolutionist101 1 year ago 6
@evolutionist101 I never marked anything as spam. Maybe someone marked your comments as spam because you keep asking "Where did God come from?"
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Yeah about that, where did he spring from?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 He really is marking comments he don't like as spam - what a loser.....there is just no talking to these single minded godbuggeres!
MrMcatheist 1 year ago 2
@evolutionist101 EXACTLY.... He fucking spammed you? what a joke. This fucking dude has got to be kidding. Wheres YOUR FAITH GUYS? these dudes are trying to convince themselves while making the video. LOLOLOL. What a joke.
justlayinglow333 10 months ago
@caycug1 I can't help notice your 'God is not an invention' comment. What makes you think that everything that exists has a purpose? Do you mean 'Purpose - an aim or a goal'? If so the purpose is derived, hence 'the purpose of the internet is to laugh at Christians.....'. Purpose is a trivial human concept, akin to intent - which relies upon an emotional desire for a specific outcome. The world has no purpose except that given to it by human thought.
MrMcatheist 1 year ago 2
@MrMcatheist Very well put I must say! I couldn't agree more.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@MrMcatheist The world exists. Just like everything else that exists, the world has a purpose. The world exists as a testament to God's greatness. Can you name anything that has been designed by humans, that does not have a purpose? No. We mirror nature (how can we not, for we are part of it). Since we design, we know that God designed.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Hmm, just re-read my comment again slowly........OK! So you see just because something is said to exist, does not mean it has a purpose. The purpose of this rock is to be thrown at your head! Purpose is merely a human concept. Why should the universe have a purpose? Does the asteroid belt serve some cosmic purpose? Your trapped in asking 'Why?' When all we can really answer is 'How?' Read 'The Blind Watchmaker'
MrMcatheist 1 year ago
@MrMcatheist God designed us to ask "Why?" We are part of nature. It is natural to ask "Why?" The omnipotent entity that created everything designed us to ask "Why?"
If is obvious that everything has a purpose. It is irrational to suppose that nothing has purpose. It is scientific to state that something has a purpose...a function. There is nothing that exists that does not have a function.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 You have no logic. If god designed us to ask why, THEN WHY do so many people get smited, repressed, killed or worse for asking that very question? Why?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR God designed everything...I didn't. You should ask Him. God is good...not bad. He is righteous and just. His plan is the best plan. He knows what He is doing.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 I wouldn't know where to find the illusive bugger plus I have reason to believe he is a mute. Good and bad are relative so I won't get into that old debate and his plan yes have you got the blueprints for this grand plan I'd love to see them.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR The blueprints.... That is one of the fun things about life...we get to try to find the answers. If we were given all the answers, what fun would that be?
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Yea blowing people up in the name of god really sounds like fun.... nutter!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 Why is not a real question, there is no why, only how.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that people aren't allowed to ask "Why?" It is natural to ask why....that is the way that God designed us.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 No I'm saying that religious people do not tollerate the question.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 So you want to change your mind and say everything has a function? it's up to you I suppose....lets run it through..whats the function of this stone? It's up to the user....just like the purpose. You cannot simply decide that the world (or by extension yourself?) 'must' have a purpose/function because you want it to be so. Is it really that hard to believe that the entire universe is just a 'happening' - with no feelings either way. Somethings just are.
MrMcatheist 1 year ago
@MrMcatheist Everything that exists has a function. The stone has a function, and it's not up to me what the function is. The world doesn't have a function just because "I want it to". It doesn't have anything to do with feelings. Something can't come from nothing. There has to be an initial function/design.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 oh so it's a funtion now, not a purpose? GOD CAME FROM NOTHING by your own admission.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR MrMcatheist didn't like the word "purpose", so I changed it to "function" to make him happy. It means the same thing.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 To make Mrmcatheist happy? Why do you want to make him happy? Why do you believe in god? To make your mummy happy?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 I am only trying to help you friend. Ask yourself, why do I think everything has a function? The stone has many functions - each ascribed to it by the user. No-one is 'using' the universe...it really is without function/purpose/design, it just is. (A bit like your concept of God!)
MrMcatheist 1 year ago
@MrMcatheist I haven't ever flagged anyone for spam. That is obviously the work of an outsider. Just because something appears to not being "used", doesn't mean that it doesn't have a function. According to science, everything that exists has a function. I have to get back to work, but if you have any more comments I will try to respond at another time.
caycug1 1 year ago
Sorry to break it to you but Isaiah 53 is NOT about Jesus. Read verse 10 and see if you can figure out why.
vozuluzov 1 year ago
@vozuluzov
"He shall see His seed..." see 1 John 3:1-3
"He shall prolong His days..." see Luke 1:33
caycug1 1 year ago
By this chain of reasoning, than i guess all UFO's Ghosts, and every acid trip ever is factual. There is absolutely no difference between experiencing the realness of the holy ghost,and UFOs. People who think they have been abducted, have very precise accounts and say they have really felt it. That is because they have convinced themselves that this was the case, just like a church convinces there members that are touched by the holy ghost. We end up fooling ourselves rather than doing anything
MrSkyProductions 1 year ago
God is Santa Claus for adults.
ColoradoMikeyS 2 years ago
What is rational about believing in god? God botherers are all suffering from MENTAL ILLNESS.
UMNERRR 2 years ago
@UMNERRR Not mental illness. Just simple logic: 1. Existence implies purpose.
2. Purpose implies design.
3. Design implies designer.
4. Something can't come from nothing implies that the designer was omnipotent.
5. Omnipotence implies God.
6. Therefore God exists.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 1. "Existence implies purpose." ASSERTION, NOT EVIDENCE.
2. "Purpose implies design." Snowballs down from here. Your first assertion pretty much makes the rest of your list....well...assertions. therefor...you haven't demonstrated evidence. Nice try....well..not really.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 There is nothing that exists that doesn't have a purpose. So (1.) is not simply an assertion. Does your eyeball exist? Yes. Does it have a purpose? Yes. Therefore, existence implies purpose.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 What is the purpose of a freckle?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 The purpose of freckles: Freckles are the result melanin in your skin. Melanin protects skin from sunburn.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Just like the eyes are a result of a billions years of evolution....glad you're starting to get it. No Purpose...it's a RESULT OF.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 The purpose of freckles is to protect the skin from sunburn.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 What is the purpose of your nipples?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 The purpose of my nipples: They are sensory receptors.
f.y.i. If you don't know the purpose of something, you can google it.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 I understand a lot of things.....believing in magic is not one of them. You have replaced the two words, "RESULT OF" with the word PURPOSE. You have ASSERTED purpose...you have not DEMONSTRATED purpose. Two different things.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 Everything that exists has a purpose. There is nothing that exists that does not have a purpose. Purpose implies design.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 You must have missed the part that everything that exists is a RESULT OF something. Repeating rhetoric like a robot doesn't make it so. You have ASSERTED purpose. You have not produced evidence. The basis for your entire argument (to steal a phrase) is built on sand. Completely flawed. Congrats.
PART 2: How does "purpose implying design" prove YOUR God? Is that based on assertions as well?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 There was an intention for everything that exists. Nothing exists without an initial purpose.
caycug1 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 Since it is obvious that something can't come from nothing, it is necessary that an omnipotent entity is responsible for the creation of all things. That "omnipotent entity" has left His fingerprints all over creation. You can tell much about an artist, just by looking at his artwork.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 I see you're sticking to the script. Simply assume things are true to make it fit in your pre-conceived notion of magic. Your logic states that "something" must exist (your god)...because something cannot come from nothing....yet your god (which is something) can exist from nothing. Now...THAT'S SOLID. :)
How about...matter has always existed in some form or another? NOWAY!! Something cannot come from nothing! Except my god! Quite humorous.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 I think that you're starting to get it now. You don't need a PhD to figure it out.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Yes. I'm understanding now. Something can't come from NOTHING. Unless it's your god. Makes perfect sense! No double standard there!! (sarcasm)
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 Omnipotent: Function: adjective; Almighty; Having unlimited power. Function: noun; One who is omnipotent; God (See Merriam-Webster) It's scientific.
You can see His fingerprints all over creation.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 And who asserted that god was omnipotent? Who THEN created the definition? Your basis starts once again from assertion. Getting dizzy, yet?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 "The fool has said in his heart, There is no God." (Psalm 14:1)
"The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork." (Psalm 19:1)
Also read (Romans 1:20-23)
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 I've already read the entire Bible. Have you read the entire Qu'ran? Have you read the book of Mormon? Can you see that reading scripture is not evidence?
evolutionist101 1 year ago
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@caycug1 I see you over looked this comment I made.." I've already read the entire Bible. Have you read the entire Qu'ran? Have you read the book of Mormon? Can you see that reading scripture is not evidence?"
As for Gods "plan" and "design". Don't you love it when his "plan" includes the rape,torture and murder of 5 year old children? As for "design"...don't you love it when you bite the inside of your mouth? PERFECT design!!
evolutionist101 1 year ago 2
@evolutionist101 Matter is not eternal. Matter is made of energy (electromagnetic radiation), which is light. God is light, and He formed matter simply by speaking it into existence. He has a design and purpose for everything that He has spoken into existence.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Existance does not imply purpose. You imply purpose thus you whole argument is flawed.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR Can you name something that exists, that does not have a purpose?
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 I could. I could sit here typing until the sun goes down. But off the top of my head... and I could choose anything but for debates sake lets say the Oil Disaster over in in the States.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR There are multitudinous purposes for the oil disaster. Here I'll list two: 1. It was so that they learn from their mistakes. 2. To show that humans are imperfect.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Hmm - it seems whatever I say - you will say 'God did it'.
And unless you believe god has mysteriously taken the form of British Petroleum THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS. I don't recall BP being present in the Bible.
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR BP exists. BP has purpose. There is nothing that exists which does not have a purpose. There was an initial purpose (design) for everything that exists. Something can't come from nothing.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 "Something can't come from nothing."
Except a magical skydaddy....right? Awesome logic.
evolutionist101 1 year ago
@evolutionist101 Not a "magical skydaddy". But an intelligent "entity" that has designed everything with purpose. There is nothing that exists that does not have a purpose. Purpose can't come from nothing. We can see "fingerprints" of the omnipotent "entity" within His creation. We can hear the sound of His symphony. We can see the cadence of His poetry.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 My point exactly... SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING... So wher did "God" come from?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR God is omnipotent. That means that He is all powerful, and eternal, and operates outside the realm of mere physics. God is light, and He spoke all things into existence. He has designed everything with purpose. There is nothing that exists which does not have a purpose.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 No, God is a whore. That's why he needs Ca$h mon£y all the damn time. Why can he not speak mone£y into existance?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR Don't listen to the preachers on TV. They are not an accurate representation of God.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 How about an inflatable dartboard, a chocote kettle or even a plastic fireguard? The list is endless have you ever bought anything from China?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR Here is the purpose of the objects that you listed:
Inflatable dartboard: Purpose is to show you how to not make a dartboard.
Chocolate Kettle: Purpose is to show you how not to make a successful kettle, unless you want to eat it.
Plastic fireguard: Purpose is to show you that you shouldn't make a fireguard out of plastic.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Outragious! BTW I don't watch the GOD channel (I'd rather spoon my eyes out) And all believer are prostitutes of the Whore God Sugar Daddy!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR I thought that we were having an intelligent conversation. Yet you need to resort to absurdity...maybe because to believe that there is no God is absurd.
caycug1 1 year ago
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UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR Could you please decipher your last statement?
caycug1 1 year ago
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@caycug1 Oh I am obsurd? I've always believed that Religious folk are as exciting and intelligent as POND LIFE
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 You still have not explained how god appeared from nothing...
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR He didn't appear from nothing. He has always existed. He is eternal.
caycug1 1 year ago
@caycug1 Cop out!
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@UMNERRR Not a cop out. Makes total sense. Everything has purpose. Some entity was responsible for designing that initial purpose. We call that entity God. His fingerprints can be seen all over His creation.
caycug1 1 year ago
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@caycug1 How about an inflatable dartboard, a chocolate kettle or even a plastic fireguard? The list is endless have you ever bought anything from China?
UMNERRR 1 year ago
@caycug1 Can you name anything that exists, that didn't not happen as a result of? You don't listen very well...do ya?
evolutionist101 1 year ago