Life Report - Episode 25 Excerpt - George Carlin on Abortion

[lilhpster]

The drowning question is interesting. we are more likely to save the child because we are biologically prone to favor our own species. Not becaus we sense humans are more important. If u asked a chicken, it would save the chicken lol! why do christians always use the drowning scinario? what's the big deal about pro-choice? We have bilogical desires to give birth and biological desires to terminate and pro-choice suites both desires. Forcing people to give birth every time doesn't.

[LifeReport]

@lilhpster Do you think humans should follow every biological desire they have? Or are some biological desires wrong? I think any biological desire to kill our offspring should not be followed.

[Mariet31]

The reason that Christians give more atenttion to the fetuses with less than 2 months (which have no brain, heart and nerves) is not for humanitarian reasons, is because they want more Christians.

They don't care about life, and never cared when they burned all the blasphemous witches. They only care about earning a place in heaven, and show to their god that they are creating more warriors of God. They only care about conceive and increase more the Christian population...

[xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx]

The arguments from the host's were subservient to special pleading. These are duplicitous assertions which originate from societies impractical expectations about itself, expectations which arise from their hypocritically sanctimonious beliefs. Their ethical platforms collide with our very true emotional existence, and it is impossible to satisfy both realities, as we live in the latter. The only right we possess is the right to choice. The last joke about Carlin proved the special pleading.

[ChristianMusician85]

@xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx Our forefathers would disagree with you. They listed three unalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The right to life is the most fundamental right of everyone, preborn to elderly.

[bronxrunner9]

This people fight good arguments but at the end these is more facts to prove that science prevails over religion because it can be proven true unlike the notion of "Jesus" which can only be backed up on a book that isn't proven true neither but yet you can put facts out of a science book and prove them true by exploiting them unlike pulling facts out of a Bible. Honestly an abortion should only be determined by the mother all other people should STFU and mind their own business. P T F O

[gaiarocks0]

The only way I can describe this video is both frustrating and inspiring. It's frustrating in that no one says anything against anything Mr. Carlin has said. It is inspiring in that there are conservative "pro-lifers" that are willing to discuss these topics.

[LifeReport]

lol. This is just a short excerpt from a 2-part series we did on the podcast, responding to a bunch of audio files from Carlin's speech. You'll probably enjoy that more. Go to ProLifePodcast (DOT) NET and look in the show archives.

[cubefn]

So this is 4 people in a public library??? Would love to see George rip the shit out this!

[frogskinshoelace]

How comes when its a human its an abortion and its a chicken its an omelet?

You guys stopped the Carlin clip before he said that. Id like to see you try to argue that.

[LifeReport]

lol, yeah. We responded to a bunch more clips on the audio podcast. This was just a video excerpt so that if people are interested, they can check out the full podcast.

I think that line by Carlin was funny and clever, but I think very few people really think all species are equally valuable. For example, I think animals should be treated ethically, which sadly doesn't happen a lot of the time, but I don't think it's wrong to kill them for food.

[LifeReport]

If you were at a river bank, and you saw a child drowning on your right and a chicken drowning on your left, and you could only save one, who do you save? No one in their right mind says the chicken. There's a reason for that, and I think it's that we all instinctively know there's something different about humans than chickens. So even if it COULD be proven that killing chickens for food was wrong, I don't think it would equal the wrongness of killing an innocent human child.

[MisterSisterFister69]

I would save the chicken because last time I checked it was still legal to eat a chicken. Fuck the child. That fucking turd producer and potential crack addict can drown for all I care.

[cooklord]

You are trying to debate a comic act as if it were a real arugument, it not its comedy. yet george carlin did make a good point clip pro-life= anti-woman. I know you don't really believe that a embro is a person. Life is not speical or sacrat it only is and life for one is the death of another, and for those who have never lived have never felt pain and have no claim to life.

[ACDCfreak50]

Any society where the government can control what you do with your body (i.e. abortion, language, drugs etc.) is a society where the government has far too much power. Just to note I have never taken drugs or had an abortion(cause I'm a dude). The point is that what people do with themselves is their business. If they wanna kill themselves, let em. None of your business.

[seanmck2002]

why did you wait till after he died to discuss to this? were you afraid he was gonna tear you apart or something?

[LifeReport]

lol, no. I highly doubt George Carlin would pay attention to our video. It's just that after he died, the YouTube video of his rant we're responding to shot up in views, so I thought it would be a topical discussion to have that no other pro-lifers were talking about. Honestly, I hadn't noticed it before he died. We talk about this on the audio episodes if you're interested in the story.

[seanmck2002]

oh okay. its not that i agree or disagree with you, its just he could he was very good at carrying on an argument.

[LifeReport]

That's cool. I would have jumped at the opportunity to discuss the issue with him if I'd had a chance. Having studied all the arguments, I'm very confident that pro-life arguments can hold up under intense intellectual scrutiny. That's the kind of thing we talk about on the podcast. (Although we also debunk any pro-life urban legends we come across as well.)

[7SaintChristopher7]

What could Georgia Carlin "rip apart"? The packaging to his syringe to inject his heroin?

[atvfreelife]

Abortion is n interesting topic. But it is really screwing up ur political system. Right now, many people are voting republikkkan every election cycle just because of the abortion issue. The problem is, the republikkkans will NEVER, EVER, EVER make abortion illegal. That would be political suicide for them. Secondly, where is the pro-life movement when it comes to being anti-war or anti-death penalty? I sense an awful lot of inconsistentcy, and as a result of that, I suspect disingenuousness. :)

[DiscoverObamaDOTcom]

Republicans have done many things to lower the numbers of abortions in the United States while the Dems push for continued abortion on demand for any reason through all 9 months.

What are you positions on abortion, war, and the death penalty?

I am against all killing of innocent human life.

[aoirthoir]

atvfreelife, I sense the same inconsistencies in both parties and in the feminist movement. The feminists claim that they are opposed to the war, but are pushing strongly for women to be in the military. In fact, name a war or an incursion that modern feminists have supported. I've not been able to find any.

If they are so opposed to these, should they not be teaching women to BOYCOTT the military? Their agenda is always ME FIRST. War bad, but GOOD for ME to be in it.

Hypocrites on all levels.

[LifeReport]

Thanks for the comment. I know we may not agree, but just to let you know, there are some pro-lifers that are against capital punishment. Those that are not against capital punishment believe that there is a huge difference between killing a convicted killer versus killing an innocent baby. I don't think that's disingenuous. Do you?

[atvfreelife]

I agree with your point. It is easier to fight for the protection of innocent babies than people on death row, although, I doubt Jesus would have made as great a distinction as you seem to. Also, if you believe in heaven and hell, won't the abortion folks go to hell and the babies straight to heaven? and if that's so, shouldn't we be focusing our politics on making the society we have as best we can, and not trying to inject your religious beliefs into the system? the founding father's would be

[LifeReport]

I do personally believe that babies killed through abortion go to Heaven, although there is some legitimate theological debate over that issue. However I don't think that negates pro-life activism. In fact, that argument would prove too much. Just because babies go to Heaven doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for their rights to live, just like we should fight against infanticide and child abuse, even though young children killed through infanticide/child abuse also go to Heaven.

[LifeReport]

I also think ending abortion would make our society a better place, where we have a greater respect for life. I would dispute your claim that the Founding Father's would have been against pro-life laws. It was them that said we have the inalienable right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. They said "life" first because you can't have liberty or pursue happiness without the right to live.

[atvfreelife]

greater respect for life? here is where you lose me. we live in a society where our govt, with YOUR tax dollars, spends more on weapons than the rest of the world combined. couple that with the most aggressive, murderous foreign policy of any nation since ww2- where we have killed literally millions of humans- generally over money and resources. When all I hear from your side is pro-life and abortion, I find is to be a bunch of hootennany. It's a political issue the repubs use to energize fools

[eyesonly654]

Doesn't it also state that no man shall infringe on anyother man's pursuit to life liberty and happiness? By you passing these laws against women and their right to choose aren't you in dereliction of the constitution by infringing upon a women's right to choose?

[CIDaily]

Does passing speed limit laws infringe on my liberty?

What about laws that don't let me smoke inside...do they not infringe on happiness?

What about the unborn humans...aren't their rights being infringe?

Also, where in the constitution is the "right to choose"?

[eyesonly654]

Jeez I don't know about the same place where the constitution gives any branch of the government a right to dictate how people should conduct themselves. As the evidence shows a fertilized egg doesn't become a fetus immediately, --infact it takes days-- and even after that a fetus has a long way to go before it is even a human by medical and scientific standards. There are many different people in this country and you have to learn that people wuill behave differently.

[CIDaily]

"As the evidence shows a fertilized egg doesn't become a fetus immediately"

Sure...it isn't a fetus until 8 weeks old.

"even after that a fetus has a long way to go before it is even a human by medical and scientific standards."

I believe that medicine has shown that it is A) Living and B) Human from fertilization.

If it isn't human then what is it?

Do you think it is alive or dead?

Have you ever seen an abortion take place?

[eyesonly654]

it is tissue which is forming itself to a human being. That is true, but it does not trump the statute which was passed in respect to this matter. People continue to fight this, forgetting that this matter was taking ot court and resolved in a federal matter. If you're against it good for you, and don't have one. But there are many people who for private reasons choose to have this done and by all means have a right to do so.

I took a friend of mine to have her abortion three years ago

[CIDaily]

your argument is weak...you addressed none of my questions. how can i have a conversation with you when you ignore addressing what I say.

i leave you with this...if it is just tissue...then why does it have a heartbeat at 3 weeks...why does it have sensation in its fingers at 8 weeks?

i also encourage you to visit these 2 websites...google "abort73" and "cbrinfo". it is important to at least be informed and I hope you would desire to be informed even if we disagree.

[eyesonly654]

you can't dictate you personal ethics into other people's lives if they are not infringing upon the lives of other americans. You can't do so nor can the government. And as medicine stands life does not begin at conception, but rather many weeks down the line. When forcing you own personal ethics into the lives of others consider the cause for their decisions and their wish to do with their body as they please.

[CIDaily]

"you can't dictate you personal ethics into other people's lives if they are not infringing upon the lives of other americans."

We do it all the time. For example, suicide is illegal in many places. We don't allow people to take certain drugs. We also ban things like transfats.

"And as medicine stands life does not begin at conception..."

At what point do you believe this is? What evidence can you point me to?

Also you didn't answer "Also, where in the constitution is the "right to choose"?

[LifeReport]

Lastly, it's not about "injecting religious beliefs into the system." Most of the arguments I make against abortion have nothing to do with religion, but instead I use science and philosophy, specifically metaphysics to make my case that we ought not kill the unborn. This would be like saying Abraham Lincoln or William Wilberforce were injecting religion into the system when they abolished slavery. Their religion backed up their views, but slavery was a human rights issue, not a religious issue.

[atvfreelife]

the founding fathers would be ALARMED at what has happened to the republican party. sarah palin thinks she works for jesus and talks about how wars and pipelines are the will of god. This woman, and her millions of mindless supporters, wants to inject her christian beliefs onto our society- THAT is a CLEAR violation of the basic, fundamental rights we, as AMERICANS have. this country was settled by persecuted people, how funny that their descendants should turn around and persecute others. lol

[aoirthoir]

Actually they did count black folks in the census a couple hundred years ago. They also counted slaves as well (black or other races).

The purpose of the census was to apportion representation. In the case of slaves this apportionment was 3/5 of a man. Thus every 5 slaves counted for 3 free persons.

Your point is still salient, since 2 of those persons would not be counted as a human being.

[vv901vv901]

what a bunch of people who should have been aborted!

[aoirthoir]

This really doesn't help our pro-abortion stance. You infer that people, should be aborted because you disagree with them. This is not what abortion is about. By inferring this, you further then infer that abortion is not a right, but is consequential.

I could for instance state that, as a chauvinist, girls should have been aborted, like is done in China. Yes I am a chauvinist AND I support abortion birth control.

These folks presented their arguments well. Let's not disdain them for it.

[Ecnelis]

I'm Pro Choice, But the way that this clip portrays your show I think you're doing a very good job. No bashing going on, I think a civil discussion is great ^_^ And you can actually be entertaining.

[LifeReport]

Thanks! That really means a lot to us, because that is exactly what we're going for. A show that is relevant to both the pro-life and pro-choice side. The only bashing that happens is when BOTH SIDES say stupid things without thinking.

[jonnykyo]

Hey, I like your show! A lot of the podcast episodes are really good too. When are you going to post another video?

[LifeReport]

Thanks! We post new episodes and now the videos that go with them every Tuesday morning. I'm finishing editing Episode 26 videos today. We're actually going to post a bonus video from Episode 26, because it was just too hilarious!

[jamianm]

More people should grive over their miscarriages? Let them grieve however they want to. I think that's a good idea, what do you think?

And the argument about funerals... sure, some don't have funerals. But in a nation that's supposed to be, what, 80% Christian, you neeever hear of funerals for stillborn or miscarried babies.

And the census point: Carlin was pointing out why Christians don't census babies... that they're made to believe fiction and are inconsistent in their own beliefs.

[LifeReport]

Of course people should grieve however they want to. I think Carrie was suggesting that a miscarriage really IS a loss and women should be allowed to grieve, while many women don't feel like the rest of society supports the reason they're grieving.

The nation is not 80% Christian. Where did you hear that stat? I have heard of funerals for miscarriages, but you're right in that they're probably the minority. Either way, the point is that a funeral is NOT what makes you a valuable human being.

[LifeReport]

I didn't really understand your last point. Christians wouldn't be the ones "censusing" babies, but the government. I'm not sure how babies not being counted in the census means that Christians are inconsistant fiction-believers...

I'd be interested in understanding your views better though. Thanks for commenting, Jamianm!