Feds arrest free stater for FIJA videography - Federal, Fed

[lysergicallycorrect]

WOW!!! This is sickening and shocking.

[maganz]

The land of the free has become a fascist regime.

[turgeo2004]

im suprised they didnt get you for wiretapping, i hear the nazis are starting to use that to punish those who video tape police.

[cincinatus90]

I love these videos but i get so pissed when i hear the way these cops talk to the people they swear to protect. Crazy and frustrating.

[Bristow42]

fuck Nazis,

[DavidForthoffer]

"Failure to obey orders" is not a federal crime.

The crime is interference or obstruction of an officer in the performance of their duty.

Since officers have no duty to violate a person's First Amendment right to record public officials on public property, not obeying such an order to cease recording is not a crime.

[NDNPolice]

@DavidForthoffer If you can point out the specific portion of the 1st amendment which supports your claim, i would agree. If not, case law does support the officers actions and I will point that out for you. Thanks

[DavidForthoffer]

@NDNPolice: "The First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property, and specifically, a right to record matters of public interest." (Smith v. City of Cumming (2000) 11th Cir. App., and similar in other federal Courts of Appeals). I have found nothing in the U.S. Supreme Court on this. I think that is because they tend to only take cases where they disagree with a Court of Appeals.

[DavidForthoffer]

@NDNPolice: I would be interested in the case law that you say supports the officers actions.

[mark03063]

I am glad it worked out for the Browns. They will die in jail. Waste of time !!

[libertarianjury]

Be sure to make silly noises at the beginning of every video, so that people who take politics seriously will just click away from it.

[FreeinTX]

FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES for AGGREVATED THEFT, AGGREVATED ASSAULT, and OFFICIAL OPPRESSION!

Then, FILE CHARGES in civil court for RIGHTS VIOLATIONS!!!

[Giratina70]

Thats exactly what their going to do start a civil war.

[Sodiumreactor]

Why NBC didnt show this on the news? Cause nothing happened. Really, what are they supposed to report? Two guys arrested for breaking photography rules? No story here. Dont film on their property. Film across the street and use the zoom. Of course, then you wouldnt have anything exciting to put on youtube would you?

[bluecobra95]

@Sodiumreactor The thing (or one of them) is that they (the activists) own the property, since they own the federal government. To say that the federal government can have its own property is to say that you do not control it, and which side has a police force? And if they can restrict rights on "their" property, what's to stop them from deciding to own more property, and then more, and some more, until you can't speak freely anywhere?

[Sodiumreactor]

@bluecobra95 By your rationale, anyone of us can just stroll into the white house and say hi, because its "our" property. Or maybe a military base, or, I KNOW, lets all go to Fort Knox and look at the gold!! Stupid.

[teamhalo2444]

soo glad they didn't snatch that hidden camera

[libertarianjury]

Moronic fuckers. Do they think that the First Amendment applies only to people who have "press cards". OK, "objectivists" Ayn Rand stated that when there was no more freedom of speech, it was time for a violent rebellion. THAT MEANS THE SECOND YOU SAW THIS VIDEO.

Where are ya?

Thought so.

[libertarianjury]

The goofy noises at the beginning of your video make us all look slightly like whack jobs.

[machaeroguy]

So, I'm curious, if a FIJA pamphleteer is arrested for trespassing, is his OWN jury allowed to see his pamphlet as case evidence, lol ?

[10thmt87]

What we really need to do is de-fund the Federal Gov...but no... like an idiot I just sent Barry Obama a $1000 check today as a quarterly installment (self employed) No I don't get any money back from the fed Gov.....Like I said, we need to defund this bloated bunch of turds!

[cjlivheidi]

I've been ranting that to my friends for years.. If we stop feeding the monster, it will fade away. All it would take is a big state like California or New York to simply instruct all businesses to sent their quarterlies to them & not the feds.... And apply our resourses where they are needed most, at home.

What are the feds going to do? arrest everyone? make war on their fellow citizens? Has everyone forgotten it's we, the people, who give them their power?

[10thmt87]

@cjlivheidi My idea is simple..All we need is 12-20 million to do this....Everyone that is employed and has wages taken out of their check....come This Monday Morning, They change there deductions to the maximum possible! It will give them a bigger paycheck for the whole year. the IRS gets very little of "Their"...Now yes, you will owe the Feds a bunch come April 15, 2011...they don't file on that day...and We that make quarterly payments...We don't make the payment on April 15, 2011 either!!

[10thmt87]

PART 2>> Continued: Now you ask, Why do we only need 12-20 million taxpayers to make this work???? That is the Majic #.. the same # of Illegal Aliens in this Country that is also the same # This "Lame-assed" Government has decided they can't arrest.....Now, Why should we start this this Monday?...Well January 18, is MLK Day...aka Human Rights Day...It would be a great day to Take back our rights from this corrupt Government--I tell ya' what!

[scttscoodoo]

ENHANCEMENT SHAMAN STATE!

[SKUNKBALLScom]

POLICE STATE!

[cecilthegreat]

Myself and Reno both fought for this country.I chose to leave the service because I saw my worst nightmares become trueThings like this happen all the time in Los Angeles and it is sad that as an American Vet.I feel I am rendered powerless by thugs like these.I have known people who join the police and they are not all bad.However,actions such as this make you stop n' think what would go on if there weren't all the cameras on police,as there are on us.Remember a little thingcalled KENT STATE?

[burtonh1]

The "officer" refered to area as Federal Property. I thought It was public property paid for by our tax dollars. Furthmore, clearly these peoples Constutional rights were violated. WAKE UP PEOPLE, WE ARE LIVING IN TYRANNY!

[basspig]

Free people are such a thorn in the sides of the Communist power group.

[nhteaparty]

I'm not sure what the crime is... people who pass out FIJA info are not working for anyone but themselves. And not sure why they would arrest the person taping. ????

[bob733333]

sue these nazis

[bobhill911]

I hope all of ou know that it is NOT against the law to photograph a federal bulding. The officer is poorly trained. Title 41 CFR is for inside the facility. Get a good lawyer and you could make a lot of money here.

[1eich]

dave does not speak for everyone in NH

[Maxwedge12000]

Nobody speaks for everyone in NH, duh.

[Martintfre]

Dr J you Rock.

Federal property...and who ownes that?

[cdimmm]

It is not federal property it is state(public) property and they do NOT have jurisdiction in any of the 50 sovereign states except over foreign affairs and persons.

[rea1001]

The killing starts soon.

[p00lman]

These guys two idiots showed up practically to bow down and put the cuffs on themselves.

Who cares that they're arrested? They seemed perfectly willing to accept the action.

[ed2276]

You seem to spend a great deal of time here at Ridley Report making snide comments surrounding the philosophy and practice of freedom, which of course you have a right to do. Would you mind telling me what your background is, and what your personal philosophy of government and liberty is?

I'm trying to figure out if you are just being contrary for the attention, or if you really are a statist tool.

thanks.

[p00lman]

Yes, I would mind.

[SSILENTNATION]

Way to encourage a serious response to your question - labeling someone a statist tool simply because they don't conform to your idea of how the world should work. Sounds like a "snide comment" to me.

[ed2276]

I suggest you learn to read with comprehension. I didn't "label" him anything. I asked if he would mind explaining his points of view so that I could determine where he was coming from. I nowhere expressed my view of how the world should work nor did I tell him that he should hold a particular point of view.

He told me that he does mind explaining himself, so that is the end of that.

[SSILENTNATION]

Yeah. Right. Comprehension...sure. You asked him to explain himself so you could decide if he was a.) here for attention or b.) a statist tool. Either answer doesn't leave much room for cozy discussion, and I think you know that. As...if he is here for just attention, he is a troll. If he is a "statist tool" - then he doesn't quite fit your personal philosophy on liberty. Don't be a putz - admit it.

[ed2276]

Since I asked him to explain himself so I could decide "X" or "Y" it is obvious I hadn't decided which he was, if either, and so had not placed a label on him. If I was labeling him I would have chosen one or the other myself and applied it to him.

I admit nothing.

[p00lman]

I suggest you learn to figure out the difference between having a discussion and throwing out meaningless labels and acting like a prick.

[ed2276]

You wrote that you didn't want to have a discussion, or at least explain your personal beliefs. Acting to the contrary and statist, if you consider them labels, definitely do have meaning, though you may not like the meanings they have.

As far as acting like a prick, I think, as pricky behavior goes, you have no room to talk here. To contrary and statist I may also add to the "discussion" hypocrite. Just my impression of you, since you don't care to "discuss" your personal views.

[p00lman]

Well I guess if a discussion doesn't go the way you want it, you should start acting like a five-year-old and throw out meaningless labels.

[ed2276]

As I wrote before, the labels, if that is what you consider them, that I "threw out" were anything but meaningless. The terms have quite specific meanings, whether you are aware of what they are or not.

[p00lman]

Labels are meaningless because they don't further a discussion, they don't help people understand each other or explore ideas. They are divisive and provocative. For all intents and purposes, they are useless.

But they also reveal you as someone unable to stand up for what he believes.

[diggingforgold]

Right, the weak elderly guy should have punched the younger cop in the face and tried to steal his gun, holding everyone hostage.

Although that might be more entertaining, I somehow doubt the old guy could have done anything more than comply when being arrested.

Anyway, good idea having a 'fake' camera. There should be more stings like this to record and document cops stealing footage from cameras. I wish them luck on their lawsuit.

[p00lman]

The elderly guy looked like he was expecting an arrest. I've never seen someone comply so quickly.

[ed2276]

Dave reported in the video that the guy has been arrested there before and intends to go back over-and-over again to build a lawsuit. That would suggest to me that the guy was expecting to be arrested.

[dinosaurdarrell1]

Expecting to be arrested doesn't make the arrest any more acceptable. It also doesn't make it any more "right" for the cops to make up laws and suppress the freedom of speech.

[mottoncouthUSA]

Julian Heicklin is like 90 years old. The men with whom he is dealing are violent thugs with guns, tasers, and pepper spray. The other dude is like 5'2" and 90 pounds soaking wet. I don't think it would be wise for them to "fight back" against such well armed and violent men.

[p00lman]

And where are you getting this "violent thurgs" description from, when the cops don't do anything violent?

[mrethrift]

I now know what FIJA is.

Drugged against his will? How does that work? Drugged in jail? Forced to swallow pills? Court ordered meds? Talk about violation of human rights...

[sshepard94]

Keep in mind that cops often have supervisors and directors, tucked away behind a window somewhere giving them orders.

In Indianapolis there was a GREAT officer that was on duty at the City County Building during some tax protests in 2007. He was very, very polite and friendly and just let us know he was following the orders being given to him from higher ups inside.

These guys were kind of jerks, but also made of fun of the Federal Government? Interesting.

[ThePresidentialTouch]

National parks are federal property. There is no law stating that you have to have id to be in a national park, therefore their arguement can't hold water and NHPD should be sued for false arrest, and lambasted for criminal stupidity and un-American activities.

[kittyprydekissme]

I had some distraction with noise in my house, so I didn't hear a few things as clearly as I'd have hoped, but did one of those Federal officers try to claim that he was required to have ID? Wasn't there a Supreme Court decision a few years back that said you couldn't arrest anyone for that?

[specialkornflake]

Hidden Camera + Primary Camera = Awesome!

[Michael7893]

Dude that is beyond illegal what those two did. this is gestapo style tactics. yea hope and change in practice geeze.

[Squirelbutt]

news commercail? wtf.

[mcgrawtim123]

I hope I get jury duty again. I'll take the FIJA materials down to the courthouse and pass them out in the jury waiting room...and I'll make a little speech, too. It's a captive audience.

[davyjames]

this is soooo sick, how much clearer can it be that these people are NOT "public servants" or "protecting the peace" ???

[DeraJa]

Hidden camera! nice!

[HHODork]

i dont know why for the life of me anyone would want to step foot in NY or even think of NY as a part of America anymore. Its a federal city for the most part just like DC.

[landofbile]

Dave, according to the arresting officer seen in the video the sidewalk and street are owned by the city and therefore OK to hand out info or film from. Today I filmed from the street and was relatively left unharassed but I also wasn't as explicit as I was prior. I'll mention it to Julian and see what he says. Part of the issue I think is that there is a clear difference in jurisdiction between the court federal property and the city owned street. Thanks for the coverage.

[FightTheJoker]

very informative stuff.

[CheckpointUSA]

To be fair the last time I checked the First amendment made no distinction between commercial and private speech. It did however explicitly name the press...

[foolcow1976]

@CheckpointUSA This is a blatant equivocation. The First amendment does not "name the press," it refers to "freedom of the press." This term has a precise historical meaning, and certainly does not imply or allow the existence of a privileged class with exclusive right to it.

[CheckpointUSA]

@foolcow1976 I think you read too much into my comment. You appear to be assuming I was referring to a 'privileged class with exclusive rights' when I made no such definition or distinction. As far as I'm concerned, a person exercises the freedom of the press when he/she utilizes any mode of communication to express a thought or idea.

[foolcow1976]

@CheckpointUSA I guess you're right, I misunderstood; but now I'm not sure what you were getting at when you said that the first amendment explicitly names the press.

[CheckpointUSA]

@foolcow1976 I'm not sure either at this stage since I left the comment a while ago. I think however someone referenced the fact the courts have made a distinction between commercial and private speech and have traditionally provided less protections for commercial speech. I think I was merely pointing out that the 1st amendment makes no such distinction and explicitly references the freedom of the press (the mechanism by which speech is often times expressed).

[Dewdaahman]

someone should politely tell Big Brother that they are guests in our home as long as they conduct themselves accordingly.. a group of men had these same standards, principles and rules, in fact, they wrote these rules down and hung'em on the door along with the "give us your huddled masses" paper.. The Constitution and The New Colossus, respectively.. we need a time-machine to take us back to the time when men read the rules and followed them, not change the rules to make us follow theirs..

[hearthowl]

whats frightening about these is how little shame is involved with men that will bully a 70 years old man for holding a sign, tasering little kids etc. And you just know they sleep well that night, very disturbing.

[mrethrift]

The police mentality fascinates me. It's not a job I could do. 'It's my job' ain't cutting it for an excuse.

[tpsisokayiguess]

You guys are awesome. Almost makes me want to believe in the political process...

[RationalDischarge]

Oh wow. The cops can arrest you for "failure to obey orders" now?

[aaronkixxx]

No.. They just want you to believe that.

[anothervanmeter]

Thanks Dave.

I am very glad there is more attention being focused on the Jurisdictional issues Reno is raising, a big hug for Joe Haas for raising this matter to us. The federalis never filed for the RSA 123:1. Very happy that Joshua Gordon presented our concerns in the appeals brief as well!!!! Keep up the good work Dave!

on Behalf of the whole Gonzalez family,

THANK YOU!

[PistoleroJesse]

I wonder, was this the same feeling in Boston during 1770's?

[Buckhead1959]

The Jack Booted Thugs Are Always On Patrol ! Didn't the SS ask the same questions...Papers Please !

[Dewdaahman]

"federal property..?" is that like all brown trucks are federal express trucks..? WE OWN EVERY SQUARE INCH OF OUR OWN COUNTRY but lines have been drawn by those that wish us harm and to seperate what they say is theirs and what is OURS..? guess what folks, WE OWN IT ALL AND THE FEDS ARE GUESTS' IN WHATEVER STATE THEY ARE IN.. revisit the Gov'ts duties in the Constitution of The United States.. their authority stops at the border of Washington DC and the border of my/your state..

[x11115]

I hear Obama is pushing for again for handgun bans. Alex Jones said Mexico asked the US to ban assault rifles. If we banned all our weapons they could easily invade us / rob us.

[badkarma52]

you're suggesting that Mexico will invade the US? I guess the lines of illegals jumping the border may count as an invasion, but calling it so is a stretch.

[x11115]

well if you disarmed the citizens they might.. Are you suggesting Mexico is a lawful society that is comrades with the US? I think you better look up a group called LA RAZA which forced Lou Dobbs to quite CNN.. They do alot more than just "jump the borders" as you are suggesting badkarma52.

[badkarma52]

how did you get that out of my comment? nowhere did i suggest mexico was lawful. but again, saying their government would sponsor (even secretly) an invasion is preposterous.

[kittyprydekissme]

@x11115  La Raza is a fringe group that few Mexicans support whole-heartedly.