Awesome video! Your horse can really rack! Had you ever clocked her to see how fast she went? The young man that was riding her was doing an excellent job!
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haha don't know who that is that said this horse is paceing but they must not be around horses much to see that this horse is racking just wanted to point that out. nice looking horse.
want to comment that horse is racking you can tell by high head, and the rider seat is absolutly still. ever ride a pacing horse? I have your hips bounce from side to side. I have seen people ride a pacer and say it is racking you can see their hips swinging and some bounce too. listen for the four beat sound. pacers is a two beat sound. I dont like roans to much but that horse is cute.
that is a beautiful horse! but its just that i hate when they do that to the horses head, and also, i hate dressage, and saddleseat. but it is beautiful!
She's way too hollow-backed here because her head is jacked up way to high. She needs to lower it some and bring her nose in so that she can use her hindquarters correctly. You can tell by how detached they seem from the rest of her. Otherwise this horse has a great racking gait. Well done.
I got a walking horse with nothing on and he do better than this yall have heavy shoes on that horse yall gon kill her look at her ride out in that grass shes tired sick to do a horse like that
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I liked both videos of your horses. you have some nice rackers. i like ppl who tell you how to ride your horse, and think some things are so harsh, which some things are. but different breeds ride with different stuff. not every horse can be rode with the same things as others, thats where alot of people get hurt. i see nothin wrong. great job n keep up the work. i knoe if i wanna racking horse to hollar at
Gorgeous horse. I use to have a black and white paint mare who traveled just like her. The only thing i hated about her was she toted her head real high just like yours
That horse is not trotting, it is singlefooting. In this gait, there is no suspension and very little pounding. They generally don't get the same problems that other breeds get because of this gait. These horses can go on pavement all day long, every day and not get splints or cracked hooves. If they get any kind of lameness, it is usually well into old age and it is usually in their backs and hips.
There is nothing wrong with commenting. That is how you learn. These horses aren't very well known outside of certain little pockets where they are popular. I've had one, and she was sound enough to ride at this gait right up until she died at 28.
very good horse and rider. but ooommmggg you should never ride your horse on the street. it is so bad for their hooves and their bones. you guys are lucky that the horse didint slip esecially if it was wearing shoes....
Not true with a racking horse. There is no suspension in their gait and they don't beat their feet and legs up like other breeds do. They can do this on pavement into their twenties and thirties without hurting themselves because their body weight never crashes down on their feet and ankles at a rack like it does at a trot or gallop.
I'm replying to the comment above. While its true that riding on pavement is very bad for a trotting or galloping horse, it doesn't bother a racking horse as there is no suspension phase to the rack as there is to the trot or gallop. Since the horse's weight is never lifted off the ground and dropped onto the feet and ankles as it is in a trot, their feet and ankles don't take the beating on pavement that a trotting horse would. They also don't slip as easily for the same reason.
If the horse is racking well, square all the way around and not crow-hopping, all you get is a little jiggle in the pelvis and thrilling speed. The gait is extremely efficient, and a good racking horse who is fairly fit can go miles at this pace. They do eventually tire and need to rest, but not like they do at a trot or gallop as there is no suspension in this gait and they aren't lifting their body upwards with every stride.
I just noticed you are in Alabama...I am also. Several people have asked if she is for sale. Do you train and sell horses? Is that one for sale and what is the price. I have a few of my own that I train and show.
Wow!!! You do have a great racking horse!! Beautiful rack. The only thing is, the way she is hollowed out and her head is set--after time, she will get very sore. You can lower your hands and ask her to bring her head down to accept the bit. She is avoiding contact with her head in the air. A more rounded out frame will build better muscles that will help her do her job. She has suck a willing attitude. Help her and she will be GREAT!!!
@rackingman1 Pacing is both legs on the same side moving at the same time. This can clearly be seen in a pacer as they have a distinct side to side motion. Racking horses are called single-footers because only one foot is on the ground at a time.
the horse would make a great flat shod/country pleasure show horse (maybe speed depending on how fast she can go ) if you could get the head set a little lower . since the front end is great !
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Anyone that knows and gives a hoot about horses should know not to every ride more than a walk on paved surfaces...keep doing this and that horse will road foundered if it hasn't already...dump people...
Very nice horse. Lovely gait as well. My Tennesee Walker racks and it's very comfortable to ride. It's so much smoother than the choppy trot I used to ride on the Quarter Horses.
Dang! What a super fun and flashy horse! I love how she travels up front! Tell me, how do you prevent road founder going in the street like that? I notice all the racking horse vids are done on pavement...is that just to let viewers hear the cadence of the footfalls? Really nice horse...if I didn't love my half arab so much, I'd get a racking horse--looks like even with a bad back you can ride and get jiggy!
i would love to see a video of her at full speed! but about her headset, as long as she is smooth (and it looks like she is) & she places in the ring, i wouldn't worry about it..but if you do want to fix it ..try some 8 inch weighted shanks and bring your hands down to where they are almost touching her withers. but her neck looks thick so she might not be able to tuck very well i know some horses who try but just can't do it! lol
She looks great! I agree with bringing her face in a little, loose some of that hollow back - but she is terrific. How long under saddle? and what kind of shoes? I hope to see her again soon. Thanks for posting your video.
absolutley beutiful! u must have work hard with that mare. so nice. us northerners don't get to see that to often. thats rite good god almighty!!!!!!!!
Very nice rack going on there. Love the color, too. Has a good front end and back end, but she needs to have her nose pulled in a bit more. B/c now, with her head up like that, she's traveling with a hollow back. I like my horses to have a better headset, but otherwise, I LOVE HER!
she aint missing a beat, hait hait get on down that road
nugthebest 3 months ago
Plz not on the concrete.
sevionjr 4 months ago
thats a good looking RACKING HORSE!!!!!
singlefootingfool1 7 months ago
sell me a horse like that. i kno u have more like her.
YOYOHORSERIDER 7 months ago
Don't just let her head go wherever. Control it. Tuck it's nose.
Lovely pacing. Looks like an enjoyable ride.
hannah4colbert 7 months ago
how much would you sell her for???
yungmoss10 8 months ago
Sure a pretty horse and fine.
imaStonesFan 9 months ago
thats a good looking mare. what is she? tennessee walker or saddlebred. she looks alittle too thick to be a saddlebred. you that thang can walk boi.
boo5352 9 months ago
Oh wow! Love it!
imaStonesFan 9 months ago
Awesome video! Your horse can really rack! Had you ever clocked her to see how fast she went? The young man that was riding her was doing an excellent job!
3p47L 10 months ago
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MrLane4146 11 months ago
Three Man Horse Club Trail Ride, April 23, 2011, 4146 Jackson-La Road, Woodville, Mississippi 39669. F. or information call (225)276-6769 or (601) 502-5613. Over night camp out WELCOME!!!!!
MrLane4146 11 months ago
I own two horses on is twh.. I would never rack on pavement! Cruel cruel cruel! I am in discust! The poor baby is miserable!
trisheeloveslucas 1 year ago
haha don't know who that is that said this horse is paceing but they must not be around horses much to see that this horse is racking just wanted to point that out. nice looking horse.
Dustindm26 1 year ago
To be honest, your horse looks miserable.
1) His head looks like he is tense and straining.
2) Riding of pavement is making him pick his feet up from the shock.
3) your sitting on his kidneys
BTW SADDLE PADS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS FOR A REASON. Unless you have some amazing supple, custom saddle use a pad!
new2eventing 1 year ago
want to comment that horse is racking you can tell by high head, and the rider seat is absolutly still. ever ride a pacing horse? I have your hips bounce from side to side. I have seen people ride a pacer and say it is racking you can see their hips swinging and some bounce too. listen for the four beat sound. pacers is a two beat sound. I dont like roans to much but that horse is cute.
TheRosa63 1 year ago
JUst Beutiful.....nice rack and color!
RadarEcho1 1 year ago
Great horse fellas!
bob12345640 1 year ago
pure class...She is one of the best racking horses I have seen... She never broke... Love that speed . You got yourself something special......
99biggdaddy 1 year ago
I've never seen a horse rack like that...awesome.
dshawnte 1 year ago
that is a beautiful horse! but its just that i hate when they do that to the horses head, and also, i hate dressage, and saddleseat. but it is beautiful!
horseloverforever11 1 year ago
what kind is that a teennesse walker or what????
badazzdonatto 1 year ago
@badazzdonatto racking horse
12HorseGirl12 1 year ago
where yall from?
betchakantdoitlykeme 1 year ago
lovely rack. I wish I had this horse in ireland (O:
eirebeth1974 1 year ago
beautiful horse
myMidnite01 1 year ago
Man that horse means business...she has a beautiful walk with precision
Shortcharmer06 1 year ago
nice horse she have one of the best front end i ever seen
fairleyboy2009 1 year ago
What a brilliant looking horse!!! Love her coloring!
TymeRyde 1 year ago
man man
boogieboyz4 1 year ago
She's way too hollow-backed here because her head is jacked up way to high. She needs to lower it some and bring her nose in so that she can use her hindquarters correctly. You can tell by how detached they seem from the rest of her. Otherwise this horse has a great racking gait. Well done.
RackOn344 1 year ago
what breed is that?? she is lovely..
travfreak 1 year ago
man she is doing that so fast for a while!!!!
waterways5 1 year ago
he needs to get the horse to do a head set
crazywatergirl923 1 year ago
nice mare
dsparks71 1 year ago
She looks like one comfie mare you have there ^_^ God made her good.
ilovemyhorse123 1 year ago
she needs to learn how to hold her head!!!
ArablvrXoXo 1 year ago
God Bless You anniepie11
blueyesmh12 2 years ago
is that a english saddle??
marlieghXisXaXhoe 6 months ago
wonderful gait on her, wish i cld buy her... barley breaks a sweat on that 3 min run wow totally not lazy, no sir! lol (:
horses5209 2 years ago
dat bitch wrkn wer yall from homie
kiteoutboy 2 years ago
Beautiful!
skylitmarilyn 2 years ago
how could any hate own that u serious!
00jtown 2 years ago
lol mann i promise you...there is always a hater out here in this world....even on youtube!!! Great Horse Brah!!!
MrPlay24 2 years ago
I got a walking horse with nothing on and he do better than this yall have heavy shoes on that horse yall gon kill her look at her ride out in that grass shes tired sick to do a horse like that
singlefooters 2 years ago
two words- road founder
AFACF 2 years ago
"would hurt my back"
FYI....watch his butt...
he never moves.
Gaited horses are as smooth of a breed as they come.
amarahope 2 years ago
Great mare!
MsCrazyhorselady 2 years ago
thats wat im talking about
woodardj91 2 years ago
WHAT BREED IN THE WORLD IS THAT?! :o reply, please
SpeluEmpathy 2 years ago
Tennessee Walker
Itxx 2 years ago
what is her breed walker and what or just walker to me it looks like walker and saddle bread just wondering
TheMrMagic32 2 years ago
do u know i was going to buy that horse? i emailed u then i decided not because it being gaited would hurt my back
hanksterthegankster 2 years ago
omg ur horse is amazing! Its movement is just flawless! Love it, and your an amazin rider!
xoxCrazyRiderxox 2 years ago
you have an alabama shirt on
what county are you from?
thexfreak704 2 years ago
Beautiful horse! try to tuck his nose in and he will look alot better.
LuvCarlisle 2 years ago
she will tuck it in but we jus took her straight out of the stall after sittin up for a long time so she was finghtin it so>>>>>>>>>>>>yea
blueyesmh12 2 years ago
have you tryed tuckin his nose in?
MajiksGurl224 2 years ago
holy crud thats good!!!! teach me to do it that long!!!!!! u r sooooo good!!!!!!
crazzyhorselover 2 years ago
This horse is flat out amazing!
CowgirlHC 2 years ago
nice :D
Skila94 2 years ago
real nice check out my video type in road runners riding club we got some real nice walkers its gonna be the first on the list leave a comment and tell me what you think and rate me to
254killeentexas 2 years ago
looking for some help trying to switch it up im in texas looking for a horse
blkstud83 2 years ago
I liked both videos of your horses. you have some nice rackers. i like ppl who tell you how to ride your horse, and think some things are so harsh, which some things are. but different breeds ride with different stuff. not every horse can be rode with the same things as others, thats where alot of people get hurt. i see nothin wrong. great job n keep up the work. i knoe if i wanna racking horse to hollar at
bodocsbarthree 2 years ago
Nice ride,had a saddlebred with that same lick,eat a hot dog,drink a beer,never spill a drop.tear's comin outcher eye's,flyin down the road!!!!
grahmbagatoot69 2 years ago
Thanks great video
wisterboy 2 years ago
its shane horse
westley74 2 years ago
check out my mare on shane horse 123 no bit no saddle
westley74 2 years ago
Gorgeous horse. I use to have a black and white paint mare who traveled just like her. The only thing i hated about her was she toted her head real high just like yours
RACKALOTSTABLES 2 years ago
how will concrete and asphalt damage their hooves?
jaaazee 2 years ago
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CHICKPEA20 2 years ago
That horse is not trotting, it is singlefooting. In this gait, there is no suspension and very little pounding. They generally don't get the same problems that other breeds get because of this gait. These horses can go on pavement all day long, every day and not get splints or cracked hooves. If they get any kind of lameness, it is usually well into old age and it is usually in their backs and hips.
userunavailable3095 2 years ago
Ahhh I see. I didnt know that. Sorry I prob shouldnt comment if Im not sure. Lol. Thanks for letting me know. Quite interesting actually. :)
CHICKPEA20 2 years ago
There is nothing wrong with commenting. That is how you learn. These horses aren't very well known outside of certain little pockets where they are popular. I've had one, and she was sound enough to ride at this gait right up until she died at 28.
userunavailable3095 2 years ago
BEAUTIFUL RACKER !!!
jsf1926201 2 years ago
Do you need to have the curb bit? I used to ride Icelandics and they would work great with a simple snaffle.
617Tora 3 years ago
very good horse and rider. but ooommmggg you should never ride your horse on the street. it is so bad for their hooves and their bones. you guys are lucky that the horse didint slip esecially if it was wearing shoes....
brittbritt0059 3 years ago 4
Not true with a racking horse. There is no suspension in their gait and they don't beat their feet and legs up like other breeds do. They can do this on pavement into their twenties and thirties without hurting themselves because their body weight never crashes down on their feet and ankles at a rack like it does at a trot or gallop.
userunavailable3095 2 years ago
what are u talkin about
userunavailable3095
blueyesmh12 2 years ago
I'm replying to the comment above. While its true that riding on pavement is very bad for a trotting or galloping horse, it doesn't bother a racking horse as there is no suspension phase to the rack as there is to the trot or gallop. Since the horse's weight is never lifted off the ground and dropped onto the feet and ankles as it is in a trot, their feet and ankles don't take the beating on pavement that a trotting horse would. They also don't slip as easily for the same reason.
userunavailable3095 2 years ago
my uncle got him something boy she will rack
joshuasatcher1 1 year ago
@userunavailable3095 ohh, like , they transfer their weight so smoothly that...yeah
TicTacJoe134 1 year ago
Oh my goodness - good God Almighty is right! She is amazing, and your rider is too! I have two TWH's - how do I get them to do this???
firstponygirl 3 years ago
You have a pretty Racking horse. Great Rack. But the concrete and road will seriously damage her hooves, even if he does have shoes on.
Live4theponies 3 years ago 4
Nice Horse!
BULLDOGnAlabama 3 years ago
Is this mare for sale?
topcommission 3 years ago
gorgeous horse!
Czbmn 3 years ago
Mane, all I can say is that horse is toting the mail.. That's beautiful.
magnoliavern 3 years ago
Sho nuff rackin'!...Beautiful!
tonyalynnbarrz 3 years ago
What does riding on a horse that is racking feel like? And is racking tiring for a horse? Just wanna know. X3
CommentingCritic 3 years ago
If the horse is racking well, square all the way around and not crow-hopping, all you get is a little jiggle in the pelvis and thrilling speed. The gait is extremely efficient, and a good racking horse who is fairly fit can go miles at this pace. They do eventually tire and need to rest, but not like they do at a trot or gallop as there is no suspension in this gait and they aren't lifting their body upwards with every stride.
userunavailable3095 2 years ago
o my. he is beautiful! he lokos quite comfy
MajiksGurl224 3 years ago
I just noticed you are in Alabama...I am also. Several people have asked if she is for sale. Do you train and sell horses? Is that one for sale and what is the price. I have a few of my own that I train and show.
MVitulli99 3 years ago
Wow!!! You do have a great racking horse!! Beautiful rack. The only thing is, the way she is hollowed out and her head is set--after time, she will get very sore. You can lower your hands and ask her to bring her head down to accept the bit. She is avoiding contact with her head in the air. A more rounded out frame will build better muscles that will help her do her job. She has suck a willing attitude. Help her and she will be GREAT!!!
MVitulli99 3 years ago
you got a good square horse sits deep in the rear and a good frontend and got a good lick
kyhuntter 3 years ago
i <3 sabinos! pretty mare, she moves out very nicely :)
sadiedangel 3 years ago
that horse is pacing
rackingman1 3 years ago
this horse is NOT pacing it is racking!!!!
blueyesmh12 3 years ago
Pacing? LOL... Have you lost your mind? If that horse is pacing then I'm Reggie Miller. That horse is so square its trotty.
jaburchfield 3 years ago 2
I have to agree with the others. If you really think that horse is pacing, you need to be exposed to more breeds and more gaits.
That's the Rack.
equusreined 3 years ago
@rackingman1 Pacing is both legs on the same side moving at the same time. This can clearly be seen in a pacer as they have a distinct side to side motion. Racking horses are called single-footers because only one foot is on the ground at a time.
jarrett622 1 year ago
@rackingman1
your retarded
rockymntgirl215 11 months ago
the horse maybe a twh , but the horse is racking ...
wrxhenry 3 years ago
yea you are right its a twh that racks my bad
blueyesmh12 3 years ago
the horse would make a great flat shod/country pleasure show horse (maybe speed depending on how fast she can go ) if you could get the head set a little lower . since the front end is great !
wrxhenry 3 years ago
Is this horse racking or pacing?
zoomyourgone 3 years ago
How heavy of a shoe do you have on the front?
zoomyourgone 3 years ago
Oooooowee! That's a good looking ride! Smooth as silk I'll bet! She's a beauty! :)
equusreined 3 years ago
She's gorgeous man. love the bald face and colors on her. gooood racking horse
dragonracer76 3 years ago
LOL, the horse is just like "Cruise" xD! Really pretty!!! The movement is just awesome, good riding.
Tianimalz 3 years ago
What a cool mare!
Legendcroft 3 years ago
that looks funny!
cuntrygurl127 3 years ago
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Anyone that knows and gives a hoot about horses should know not to every ride more than a walk on paved surfaces...keep doing this and that horse will road foundered if it hasn't already...dump people...
aqhaczy 3 years ago
Very nice horse. Lovely gait as well. My Tennesee Walker racks and it's very comfortable to ride. It's so much smoother than the choppy trot I used to ride on the Quarter Horses.
Anyway, great horse. :)
Whatarackinhorse 3 years ago
Gorgeous color! amazing gait too! that would be so comfortable bareback! WOW!
HoTTiEe1100 3 years ago
Once had a Gelding just like her. Have you got anymore in your barn????
Oh yea, Roll Tide.....
RackingRose 3 years ago
im in love...that horse is georgeous. nice color, and stunning leg movement.
baguagal 3 years ago
Dang! What a super fun and flashy horse! I love how she travels up front! Tell me, how do you prevent road founder going in the street like that? I notice all the racking horse vids are done on pavement...is that just to let viewers hear the cadence of the footfalls? Really nice horse...if I didn't love my half arab so much, I'd get a racking horse--looks like even with a bad back you can ride and get jiggy!
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
yea you can hear the cadence pretty good with the pavement
blueyesmh12 3 years ago
Very beautiful horse! She seems like a real hard worker. Love her color!
FreisiansLvr4Ever 3 years ago
What breed is she?
RockyMHorse 3 years ago
Wow, what a beautiful horse!
titimanditi 3 years ago
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that horse better have shoes on!
or u can damage the hoof & frog n prob make the horse lame! x
HorseOWNER2k8 3 years ago
yes the horse has shoes on cant you hear them!?
blueyesmh12 3 years ago
She's absolutely gorgeous! I envy you this horse lol.
butterflytigress1985 3 years ago 3
he looks exactly like a horse at my barn
crazyexgirlfriend1 3 years ago
she is gorgeous!
i would love to see a video of her at full speed! but about her headset, as long as she is smooth (and it looks like she is) & she places in the ring, i wouldn't worry about it..but if you do want to fix it ..try some 8 inch weighted shanks and bring your hands down to where they are almost touching her withers. but her neck looks thick so she might not be able to tuck very well i know some horses who try but just can't do it! lol
PhantomJumper08 3 years ago
wow, this horse is cool! love it!
aikomoni 3 years ago
aw - i love that horses colouring
10salisburye 3 years ago
Awesome horse! I have a Rocky Mountain gelding who could be her twin!
jaydeedubya 3 years ago
That´s a great horse, because I could tell at times that she wanted him to turn her loose, so she could get down and show us what she really can do:)
Youngdoc34 3 years ago
Glad to see a brother riding a good horse!
pcwill1949 3 years ago
name your price for this horse
docman86709345 3 years ago
one of the nicest racking horses i have ever seen
docman86709345 3 years ago
I personally am not a fan of horses like this, high steppers i guess. but This horse is honestly beautifl! I would love to own this one
futurewife06 3 years ago
Yall have any to sell??
csnwp6 3 years ago
Nice Racking horse, look like some produced in North Carolina...I see in Brewton, Alabama is where it is going down...Lookin good my friend.
pridesgb 3 years ago
what a beautifull horse and great motion. what breed is it?
sheratonfegler 3 years ago
She looks great! I agree with bringing her face in a little, loose some of that hollow back - but she is terrific. How long under saddle? and what kind of shoes? I hope to see her again soon. Thanks for posting your video.
trailpal 3 years ago
I'm no country bumpkin but that horse is nice!
Larry477 3 years ago
She Do The Do
Bo2Fly 4 years ago
thank you very much
blueyesmh12 4 years ago
thank you very much
blueyesmh12 4 years ago
The horse looks great. Looking forward to seeing more videos on her. Do you guys have a website and where are you located?
shizam2 4 years ago
will have more latter,sorry no website. brewton alabama.
blueyesmh12 4 years ago
hey where are you guys located
50speedracker 4 years ago
brewton alabama
blueyesmh12 4 years ago
absolutley beutiful! u must have work hard with that mare. so nice. us northerners don't get to see that to often. thats rite good god almighty!!!!!!!!
draftman420 4 years ago
thanks
blueyesmh12 4 years ago
She looks GREAT! Moving so much better than the last time I saw her.. I agree gotta get that head set, but I am proud for you!
Rachel
tango458 4 years ago
Very nice rack going on there. Love the color, too. Has a good front end and back end, but she needs to have her nose pulled in a bit more. B/c now, with her head up like that, she's traveling with a hollow back. I like my horses to have a better headset, but otherwise, I LOVE HER!
kristen0506 4 years ago
WOW great horse. Very nice front end, pull that nose in and look out! Love all the color also! Keep up the good work!
speedracking 4 years ago
Is she for sale?
rockymthorses 4 years ago
goergous horse! i want her! lol her rack looks soooo comfortable!
hunterjumper95 4 years ago 2
Good looking horse-love that front end action and she has some speed. Good luck with her
steppinon 4 years ago 2
nice horse with good action
50speedracker 4 years ago 2
Hi love your horse. Is it from Pusher bloodlines?.
Nice front end, do you have a heavy or lite shoe on?
speedracker 4 years ago 2
Heavily lined bred on Merry go Boy and Last chance That old good blood thanx 4 d comment
blueyesmh12 4 years ago