how long would it take to become Frank Zappa...? or is Zappa in hell? I'm sure the big daddy in the sky must have given it serious consideration if only for naming his kids Dweezill and Moon Unit. Also, how's the weed in heaven? Have the rastas managed to get the ganja to take hold?
Heaven is just like hell, lot of similarities Eternal, infinite, full of beings, a big boss God/Satan, and of course the one true similarity.. they aren't real ...
Dammit Philhellenes. Why are so many of your videos so good they are in my favorites? Seriously, you are the only user to have more than 2 of their videos in my favorites (without checking). Keep up the good content please, its awesome.
I am sorry but the point you trying to express is useless. If Heaven exists, it will be a place that cannot be expressed by words. A different level of experience. You are comparing a life in Heaven, an Utopian place of a superior level of experience, to a human quality of life on Earth. A human life in which we can experience in occasions boredom, depression, sadness...But in Heaven everything should be perfect, happiness, peace, love, of course you would love then to live for ever
That is your understanding of things. Boredom and living forever is different. Boredom is a feeling, "living for ever" signifies time. You don't need to spend a lot of time to become bored, you can become bored in one min. And from you comment I can see you didn't understand what I was trying to say, you might won't understand it anyway, but read it again if you don't mind and read it well
@almariama Then you are not employing reasoning with your argument if that's just what your "understanding of things" is. Don't even bother arguing "his point is useless" if you continue with that path.
I said it was contradictory because it was non sequitur. You can't say something is something else with an assertion. That's called an illusion.
You don't understand it because YOUR BRAIN AND YOUR FEELINGS ARE LIMITED, THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS AN ILLUSION FOR YOU, LIVING FOR EVER is not a contradictory conclusion, AS I SAID YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT, AS WE ALL DIFFERENT AND I HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN YOU LOT, KEEP YOUR STUPID COMMENT FOR YOURSELF
i would prefer a heaven where i could adjust the environment so it isn't actually ideal(due to monsters and other things), but it would be a hell of a good time trying to survive in that environment, when i get bored i readust it again.
I think you misinterpreted that, you see Christians well see anything as god's right way. Someone gets hurt then thank god he didn't die someone does die then thank god for hes in a better place.
"So if u dnt love god u hate everything.." (1 John 2:15) Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.
NO as an atheist I see a world that I am so proud to be brought in, and knowing we started from a single atom makes it jaw dropping. :)
"I'm sorry but this is forever" is a crappy place to end the story. Not saying that I want to spend eternity in Heaven, especially if I can't "sin" but there must be way more to existence than we know or understand. What if we could become creators? ehh, who knows? Not me. Maybe we can have our memories wiped clean, maybe there is some much to know that we wont want our memories wiped.
"Somebody has well said that there are only two kinds of people in the world - there are those who wake up in the morning and say, "Good morning, Lord," and there are those who wake up in the morning and say, "Good Lord, it's morning
@GraydonW impossibru! there are only so many interesting things that can happen. After a while (unless you have no long term memory) it would necessarily get boring
Can't go to any strip clubs in heaven, could you? I wouldn't want to go on one year... But you assume that there will be fields to have picnics on. On a more serious note, this topic has been reviewed before and you're talking at a pace that seems it could last an eternity...
I think the big issue here is that an afterlife without unpleasantness of any form, and without any change to the nature of your existence. Comes with guaranteed insanity and nastiness.
If there is one, I'd prefer a 'russian dolls' set-up of repeatedly entering a larger state of existence (both in your surroundings and your own being) and having no evidence for the next one up. Plenty of struggle, risk and such. If it came with expansion of your mind (comprehend infinity one day) it might work.
I would really like to comment, but I am having a difficult time in keeping up with all the straw men running around this whack-job's argument. Just what is it you are lambasting? It cannot be the Christian religion, being that you have misrepresented it at every turn. Is it the thought of religion... or of God? You really ought to spend some time at least perusing, say, the Bible prior to exercising your opinions. Pathetically pedantic.
@cheagan Did you even watch the video? Or read the description? Christianity was mentioned nowhere (nor was Jesus). He was "lambasting" the concept of eternity in heaven. Really, what he was talking about wasn't that hard to grasp, so if you consider this video "pathetically pedantic" that says a great deal about your intellect...
@Eulich Alright... I'll bite: what, then, is the basis for his vitriol? CERTAINLY it isn't Christianity.... What then - Islam? I heard nothing of "seventy virgins", so we cannot assume that. The fact is that he constructs a portrait that is so far from ANY religion's conclusions that it might be difficult to assail his argument from ANY reasonable angle. Convenient.
@cheagan He has videos up about Islam too, so it could be that. I would just go with "any religion that has an eternal heaven". At the beginning he states it is his idea of heaven (I don't know if there is an argument presented really). Most believers say they will live for eternity without knowing what eternity entails. The description sums it up "1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years is NOTHING compared to eternity"
@cheagan Hello there, here are some thoughts. Your vocabulary and perfect grammar tell me that you probably have a college degree, or you just read a lot. I bet that underneath your creationist-retard exterior, there's a pretty smart guy. However, you are a 41yo youtube troll, so you have an obvious personality disorder. I bet you live in a world of black and white, and you're ALWAYS right, aren't you? After all, why would somebody as smart as you need to take advice from anybody? Continued...
@SonicTheEggNog One question: are you defending the host, or simply attacking (the straw man you have created to represent) me? An atheist is the one who is always right because, by definition, his assertion is, "I have seen the entire universe, and there is no God in it." One could not possibly make a less credible statement. That's the absolute bottom of the barrel.
@SonicTheEggNog You're subscribed to Alex Jones and you're a creationist... So you probably score in the 90th percentile in both gullibility and IQ. A deadly combo, indeed... You can't see over you're own brain, to the fact that your beliefs are stupid, ridiculous fairy-tales! You're scientifically ignorant, just like all creationists, and you probably don't have many friends. That's why you find intelligent atheists to troll. It's a way of stroking your own ego cuz nobody else will. -->
@SonicTheEggNog Get to munching troll. This is what you were looking for, right? An intellectual rival? You poor, lonely old man... You could have been cool, but instead you're an ignorant creatard...
Now your turn to respond^^ I know you're gonna look on my channel for some dirt to psycho-analyze me with. There's good stuff there!
Before you carefully formulate your comeback, just know that I already know exactly what you're going to do^^ Clever, OLD, trolls are all the same. lol
@SonicTheEggNog I have responded with exactly the statement I wished to make - ie, that you, this host, or any other atheist while we're at it, have yet to make a credible statement of any kind. As far as your personal "dirt", I couldn't care any less except to say that in that regard, we're all in the same sinking boat. Perhaps your perception of Christians is that we think of ourselves as "holier" than the rest of you, but just the opposite is true; we are keenly aware of our shortcomings...
@SonicTheEggNog ... which is why we realize our own nakedness before a Holy God. I must admit, that faulty notion most have of believers is, largely, our own doing, but is due to most people not having read the Bible, but saying that they have, and that they understand it. Most do not. The message of the Bible is not, "Be good." but rather, "There is no one who is good." Your personal neuroses don't interest me.
@SonicTheEggNog What might, however, interest me would be some kind of halfway intelligent response on your part, you hateful little sycophant. Or perhaps it isn't possible for you to hear yourself think above the din of your ego telling you, "What a clever boy you are!" So far, a colossal waste of time... but I'll bet that's nothing new to you.
@SonicTheEggNog Did I say something that wasn't true, or did your conscience actually kick in? I am here to discuss philosophy with those with whom I disagree... it's called "debate", and it occurs when two parties can present rational arguments. Still waiting for something of value to come in my direction... notice the absence of fear in my tone; that's key.
@cheagan *Grabs one last handful of troll food...*
I'm afraid YOU are the one who needs to be told what a "debate" is, because you broke at least 3 rules of debate in your very first post! Perhaps you are not familiar with Roberts Rules of Order. In debate terms, your post would be referred to as "intellectually dishonest" at best. You resort to name-calling in your very first post and dare to tell me you're DEBATING?
What you did is called TROLLING! So I trolled you back! U mad, bro?
@SonicTheEggNog I resorted to the "intellectually dishonest" practice of calling a spade a spade, in that I dared to call a fallacy by its name. In your "responses", I have been called a "gullible... retard ", a "troll", a "lonely old man", and a "creatard". It's no business of mine, but I just wonder what sort of intellectual life gives birth to such rhetoric. JUST RESPOND IN A RATIONAL MANNER, for God's sake! Why can't you do that?
@SonicTheEggNog As far as I'm concerned, vocabulary and syntax is all we have at our disposal on this venue; if you have something to SAY,then say it. Otherwise stay home, and let the big boys deal with the big issues.
@cheagan Still trying to provoke me, eh? Sorry. I've had my fun with you, made my point, and now I'm satisfied. You go tackle those big issues, brave keyboard warrior! May your fat little fingers reveal the LIGHT OF TRUTH to all us dirty atheists!
@SonicTheEggNog There's no bravery in what I've done; I simply wanted to inject a little critical thinking into this venue. U mad bro? Or were you not prepared to think critically? I now where I'll place my bets.
i'd like to experience everything positive and know everything and experience everything i knew don't want to see my family again though don't like em would rather like to be with my spiritual original family not blood related but those that matched my level of consciousness and spiritual growth and i'd also like to experience pure being and exist in my original state of existence.
I want to sodomize and revel in carnalities forever that's my JOY eat and feast all day fight to the death in fights or battles just to ressurected on the bed with Victoria's Angels. That is JOY. not that tarded christian all saintly saint version of it lol
when eugenics grants our civilisation immortality he might forget about god and other hokum, plus if we forget our origins and history alltogether we might start to think that we ARE the gods of primitive sentients :p
@deathman1021 thats not really correct. they usually didnt get older cause of *work related* deaths. would be quite bad for the health to be trampled by mammoth and such. there were no hospitals to heal the sick then. and many mothers probably died in child birth etc. if we could bring them to this time, they'd live as long as anyone else today.
@deathman1021 actually in most of the modern world we have a growing expectation to be living to 100+ perhaps even as far as 150+ by the middle of this century. Of course, the one limiting factor is neurological breakdown (since they have no real mechanism for "healing" neural tissues) unless we figure out how to hold back such neurological failure.
well if you consider how many galaxies, stars, planets, universers? there are, if you spent a year on each planet, or studying said stuff, it's safe to assume you you spend a great deal of time just exploring, and learning. and the universe is always changing, so there can always be new stuff to experience. but you're right. eternity is alot of time ^^
but i dont think we have even scratched the surface of all there is. so it's difficult to imagine what we could do, if we lived forever in heaven
Far from being boring, heaven is going to be the best experience ever for those that are there. First off, God says that in his presence is the fullness of joy, so those in heaven will experience unending joy (God is infinite, so, I take this to mean an infinite amount of joy is felt in his presence)! Then, they're going to experience that level of joy for eternity. So, far from being boring, being there is going to be the best experience ever!
Then, the bible speaks of a new heaven and earth son the road, so those in heaven now are going have a totally new universe prepared for them. So, you all can talk about how heaven is going to be a bore, but it is going to be a mind bowing experience, and unchanging mind blowing experience, with it's inhabitants always being wowed by what God has created for them:)
@TehSxc18yearOld If looking forward to heaven (and spending eternity with God and all of those that will be there) makes me a colossal fool, I'll be that!
@TehSxc18yearOld Until you die and realize that although your life has ended, you still exist. I'll tell you what though, it is going to be a HELL of a surprise!
I really wish you knew, as a fellow human being, that this is your one chance. there is no after life. This is it, you're just the result of a 4 billion year chemical reaction of atoms produced from supernovi. You are the univerce becoming concious of itself, and the fact you have the ability to witness the universe is beautiful. it doesn't even know what it looks like.. you are concious atoms. and when you die your atoms don't function in the way they did anymore. i wish you knew
@TehSxc18yearOld What i believe is that when I die, I am going to move on from this temporal world, into on that is eternal. That is a world that God has created for those that have received the salvation that Christ died to offer to us. I have received that salvation, so when I die, that is the world where I will spend the rest eternity. This is the hope that I have, and it lets me know that death won't be the end of me, but a new and exiting chapter for me in my existence!
(Oops, meant to say "exciting chapter...") Now, some would argue with you over what you said about there being no afterlife. But, to me, there's no need for that. I say that because you know about as much as I do as to what's actually waiting on the other side of death's door, being that you haven't been there. Anyway, I am a firm believer that when I'm absent from my body (in death), I'm going to with my Lord. This is the glorious hope that I have, and I thank God for it:)
@jarbon5 i suggest you watch this video /watch?v=6rAK3OupNk8&feature=g-u&context=G23b66b9FUAAAAAAANAA to fully understand out viewpoint on what happens to us when we die, it's the first question so don't worry about having to watch it all :P if not then i will leave in saying as long as you do good in your life towards others (not just because you think it will get you into your personal view of heaven) and don't push your religion on others, i can not fault you. But i wish you knew.
Another way to see it is those that are in heaven being overjoyed to be were they are, overjoyed to be with those that are there, and that's just the beginning. Can't see how that would sound creepy, but to each their own. But, like I was saying, heaven (then the new heaven and new earth) is going to be an incredible experience for those that are there!
@elmondark well that goes with the modern "everyone gets a personal heaven" idea as well as the idea that it wouldnt be static, meaning that you could change it as you choose.
if it is the static public heaven that the christian thinks of, you know everyone everywhere and peace and all that, then it would get dull rather quick
say i get my personal heaven, who would be in it? my family and friends. they would want their friends in there too. then we have entire humanity in there in the end. would i need to say: hey get out of my personal heaven!
in heaven everyone is awesome, so everyone that is there would be your friend, so why would there be a need for a *personal heaven*? thats just rubbish.
@elmondark well by definition since it is your personal heaven and everyone would get one then you would be alone and all the people would be technically figments of your imagination, since its a spiritual location technically that could be infinate space so still alone.
and besides im not saying its feasable, im an athiest, this is just talking for the sake of arguement
@deathman1021 that would make heaven even more retarded :) being there all alone, and having imaginary friends and family....well thats the life of christians already. having an imaginary god, and angels helping them out :)
@elmondark Well actually the personal heaven is the prevailing idea of what heaven is these days, shows like american dad did that, one i actually like called supernatural adressed it as well, so its the medias prevailing idea of what it would be these days. personally if i had to live forever i wouldnt want to be in some stationary static environment, id want to explore the stars, why not i would have an eternity after all
@deathman1021 ya, i'd cruise around the universe exploring stuff. but i dont see the reason to live on earth at all, for a few years. then forever in heaven. might as well be born in heaven. or live forever in this world.
heaven would just be based on your imagination, if you dont have any imagination, it's gonna be as boring as here anyways :)
at least this universe offers a lot of diversity, without having an imagination :p
Another way to spend eternity could be experiencing life from the point of view of every animal in the world, then the same on infinitely more worlds. And even then it would suck knowing it will never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER end.
If I could have an infinite afterlife, I would likely put myself into the shoes of fictional characters. Temporarily without memory of previous life. That would be an effective method of coping with eternity.
could you get bored with something infinitely large? with infinite time? logic paradox POV, i have finite time but infinite stuff would i get bored, if i have infinite time but finite stuff would i get bored. if i have both finite time and stuff would i get bored? if i have infinite time and stuff would i not get bored?
@soMeRandoM670 finite time and infinite stuff you would not get bored with. infinite time with finite or infinite stuff would get you bored, since there is supposedly an infinite number of people who enter heaven with infinite amounts of knowledge and skills and teach you with, you would still get, on average, bored.
The point is you might learn a new thing every thousand years, or after a while, every hundred thousand years, but you'd still get pretty bored of living.
very interesting topic, i had thought about it before being saved. yes i follow christ, no im not here to tell you, UR WRONG ARGHGH JAJAJ lol no its personal matter i will keep to my self. thats not point, i had thought and or prayer if u could say, that heaven is really a place of rest or even better place where there is no thoughts just empty, been said that heaven is when u enter it. minimal time has past from earth 2,THOuSAND years. u made me rethink what has to happen atdeath
apart from the fact that the earth is being ruined by a bunch of money hungry fuckwits that want to enslave the world with their globalist agend there is lots of reasons to want to live forever on this very earth. HUMANS ROCK
That number is one septillion. Here are the names of these numbers. Millions, billions, trillions, Quadrillions, Quintillions, Sextillions, Septillions, Octillions, Nonillions, Decillions, Undicillions, Duodecillions, Tredicillions, Quatodicillions, Quintdicillions, Sexdicillions, Sepdicillions, Octodicillions, Nondicillions, well, I can't remember beyond that, and I probably have mis-spelled some of them, and it's still not even the beginning of eternity. Am I boring you yet?
@king78802 Perfection is not necessarily completeness. It can be a perfect place in many ways but we can still have eternal progression in a perfect world
@ZeusHelios You are losing your your lucidity with all these posts.
"but we can still have eternal progression in a perfect world" - you either need to clarify what you think 'progression' means, or what 'perfect' means. You cannot have both, by definition.
You are grasping at straws here. Eternal life WOULD remove any significance from your life. Even the Sun will one day die. So should living beings.
No matter what way you dress it up, "forever" is a bad thing, not a good thing.
@EppurSiMuove419 By progression I mean forever expanding our minds or knowledge or forever learning new things and doing new things. By Perfect I mean living in harmony with all beings and all nature so that we are always in harmony and happy with all things Also by perfect is being always in good health Eternal life would give greater purpose and all things learned and done would make you feel an achievement that will last forever with you. I guess thats an opinion we differ on.
@EppurSiMuove419 Dont limit the possibilities. True the sun will eventually burn out but not for millions of years. By then will probably make our own heat and light and may not need a sun Or we can move to a planet with a sun suitable for life. There are many possiblities for survival. Humans will find a way. Maybe even create a new sun. Maybe even create a new big bank and therefore a new universe. Who knows time will tell. If nature can do it so can we by copying nature.
@king78802 A God who creates all things and knows all things surely would have thought about boredom. And would have seen to it in some way. I doubt very much heaven is anything like he described it. A super intelligent being would have thought of everything I'm sure we will have plenty to do there. Also maybe there is no such thing as boredom
Couldn't you just periodically wipe most of your memory, so all the fun stuff is new and fresh again?
And spend time exploring the history of the universe?
I don't believe for a second there is an afterlife, but I could see ways of making eternity entertaining. You could even simply have all your emotions except boredom. Or add some cognitive ability to always think of a new thing. And to not be limited to merely human experiences and ideas.
You know like me... I think I'd start going on a reality warping rampage with a kickass villain song or something like that. That'd be a fun start, and that's something I can't do as a normal mortal. And it'd be fun! Sure, it might get boring after a while, but it might be fun again in the next thousand years. And once you're up to the point where nothing seems fun, just wipe all the memories you'd think be fun to relive fresh.
@TheSkunkCat Yea Except you wont need to wipe your memories as they form part of your experiences in life. I'm sure if there was a heaven there will always be stuff to do. Who knows we may have different and new brain functions which allows us to do more than what we can do now And new and positive emotions to experience Just like happiness maybe there are other sensations to experience. Maybe an infinite of everything.
To get things straight, I'm an atheist, but what if heaven was like a narcotic. Your not fully aware of anything anymore, you just have an eternity of a peaceful feeling and vague experience. Your not aware of how much time has past, your not even aware of the past. You just feel happy right then. There fore the passing of time would be irrelevant. Just some fast food for thought.
@Nervousification What you are proposing sounds like it would be even worse than the conventional, "Fully conscious" heaven. I feel like if I was the way you are describing, I would take even less interest in my "vague experiences". If heaven would rather make me into a shell of a conscious being, then no thanks to that one even more than the already awful "live forever" scenario.
The bottom line is the MEN who wrote the various religions didn't stop to actually think this "eternity" idea out.
@Nervousification LOL yeah I'm pretty sure when confronted with this problem, that is what someone who wishes to live in heaven MUST feel like. And, of course the only means by which a god could make you happy forever, would have to be defined as "magic".
This is why the major religions are still around today, because they tell their adherents the exactly right combination of lies to allow them not to think about things. Instead, its acceptable to just say "The magic man dun it with his magic."
@EppurSiMuove419 I don't have an issue with religion so much as I do creationist science. The people who go out, and deliberately make up misinformation about science just to promote more lies. That how it is with anyone who lies. Eventually it catches up with you and you can only save yourself by telling more lies. The more I learn about creationists, the most I feel they are truely evil. If I believed in Satan, Kent Hovind would be him. A charismatic liar.
@Nervousification Well I agree with most of what you said, but I would like to point out that while not all religious people have to be creationists, all creationists are sure to be religious people. Unless we are talking about pure deists, but thats something else entirely.
My point is that the people you know who are religious who dont do terrible things like spread lies about science/keep slaves, are only doing so because they are ignoring what their religion (bible) commands them to do.
@ZeusHelios I think if scientists ever DID figure out how to prolong life forever, they would be responsible enough not to use it. This planet cannot even sustain humanity at its growing rate for much longer as it is, without people living forever. Can you imagine the amount of resources America would consume if no one ever died? Can you imagine the overcrowding?
People NEED to die. Without death there is no reason to do things; no reason to work hard. Without death life is utterly meaningless.
@EppurSiMuove419 Totally disagree with you. Humanity can sustain itself forever. We just need to do things right for the benefit of all and our planet which is not what we are fully doing. We just need change our behaviour and put aside many of humanities negative side. Death can give us a meaningless life Eternal life can give us a meaning and a purpose. There are ways to sustain a growing population. including inhabiting other planets.
@ZeusHelios So you envision a human race, far advanced in our science, spreading throughout the cosmos because once one of us is born, they NEVER die? The would mean that humanity would multiply at an uncontrollable exponential rate. You don't see this as a bad thing?
Your future is predicated on first finding many many other technologies, necessary to sustain life forever. Its also predicated on having already found other inhabitable planets.
@EppurSiMuove419 Funny I did not get this message in my inbox. My reply to that is simple. Who said there is an end to anything. Space could be endless Stars and planets are in their billions it will take so much more billions of years to occupy them all. If it was found tomorrow we will find a way to start shifting ourselves and occupy our planets land and sea above and below. The moon and near by planets. It may be a problem now but not in the future.
@EppurSiMuove419 When some Stars burn out new ones are formed. But maybe we will in many years to come, over come all problems that will allow eternal life for all who wish it. Maybe not all will want it.
Who knows we could create an endless amount of new worlds to occupy Perhaps create new universes. If a big bang happened maybe we can copy it and make a new universe. Only time will tell if we can do these things and if eternal life can really be practical.
@EppurSiMuove419 It does sound like something that just cant be, but then what cant be, maybe we can make it happen Maybe we dont need to live forever as individuals. For each child born is part of us and so we live forever in that child But when you think about it individuals may not live forever but life so far has and it can continue to live for many billions of years We can help it continue to do so for ever by making our world and many more habitable for new generations to come.
Phils videos creates so many thoughts in me than no other... that's the reason i come back in here once in a while to read what thoughts it wakes on other people.
Usually I don't mind or care to read the comments but Phil's videos makes an exception.
It is an interesting assumption to make that you will 'need' sleep or rest. But if you NEVER had any weariness, or if you never BECAME sleepy, or if your 'body' (whatever form that takes in Heaven) never needs the REGENERATIVE benefits of sleep, would you INSIST that you MUST sleep every 'cycle' or time period?
Or would TIME cease to actually HAVE any meaning? As intelligent sounding as Phil sounds, his subtle assumptions are just that, assumptions of what his human mind can conceive.
@Texas75023 So you think Heaven is real then? That's quite the assumption there isn't it now? Do you have any reason or evidence for a belief in Heaven? Is Muslim Heaven real too?
@bigboy So you think all matter sprang into existence out of nothingness? That's quite an assumption. And you think that random chaos combined to produce intelligence and coherent communication? That's quite an assumption. And you think 'Space-Time' is the only reality in the cosmos? That's quite an assumption. What about all the other Multi-verses in the 'brane? Does space-time obey the SAME laws of physics there too? That's quite an assumption.
@Texas75023 That's quite an assumption that you think science says that all matter sprang into existence out of nothing. Or this is your strawman if you will. A fundie with talk of branes and multi-verses, I'd be impressed if not for the fact that talk of such things makes your magic Gods even less likely, and you might know this. Or you're just using buzz-words you think you understand. God did it right my boy, but God didn't need a creator did he now Mr. Fundie? Do you have evidence of Heaven.
@bigboy45454545 Actually, 'scientific' imagination of 'branes and multi-verses' is only the pale attempt to try and imagine a 'godless god' for atheism.
BTW What's a fundie? It is pointless to try and hurl an insult that carries no meaning.
And how about try and have an intelligent conversation, instead of assuming a position of 'superiority' that is neither earned nor accurate. Actual science is NEVER based on intimidation and insults. NOR does consensus determine scientific fact.
@Texas75023 You know what a fundie is. You know very well. How dishonest of you. Instead of rebutting the criticism, you play the hurt feelings card. And throw in some straw man argument of your own. Typical.
@VvDOPAMEANvV Greetings. Actually, I did NOT know when I posted my reply. Then I went to Google and found the WIKI page defining this infantile insult. I would say THAT is the typical behavior of the new intoleRANT godless left in this world. Whether fundie, birther, denier, etc, the *NEW* hate-speech dialogue of the intellectually void left is to make up names and hurl concocted terms.
But I admire your attempt at mind-reading and insults. Shows you have learned from the masters you serve.
@TheAmorri Can you count how many zero's are in the title of this video? It will require more than your toes and fingers... Not sure your 3rd grade programming will help you there, my friend...
@Texas75023 Hi, mainly one answer, after that it descended into name calling. alot of atheists seem to think science disproves god (it doesn't) and that religious people just blindly believe (some might, most do not), you pointed (correctly) to some scientific assumptions, and I was wondering where you're coming from religiously (if you are religious).
@timrice666 I would say I have a deep and unshakable faith in God and His Son, the Lord Jesus. But I do not apply the word 'Religious' to myself, because I really have no respect and no regard for the formal, institutionalized bureaucracies we see today. It is about have a personal and dynamic relationship with the God of the Universe.
For me, it began when I was about 9 and God miraculously healed my Kidney. you can watch my video testimony if you are interested. Peace.
@Texas75023 I looked at your channel, kudos to you (i'm always impressed by the effort some youtubers put in), but i couldn't find your testimony, i'll go back and watch a few vids and maybe comment (hope you allow comments). I see you are interested in islam, why do you think your god allows other religions? I can understand allowing atheism (freewill) but why are so many people not even given the chance to know your god?
how long would it take to become Frank Zappa...? or is Zappa in hell? I'm sure the big daddy in the sky must have given it serious consideration if only for naming his kids Dweezill and Moon Unit. Also, how's the weed in heaven? Have the rastas managed to get the ganja to take hold?
zaxxxon 1 week ago
It would not boring if there is no that sentiment.
belegulo 3 weeks ago
Wonderful ending.
LiftYourSkinnyFist 3 weeks ago
What fucking story doesnt have an end? It cant be! It just cant be.
i am so happy i am an atheist...
a10fjet 3 weeks ago
Heaven is just like hell, lot of similarities Eternal, infinite, full of beings, a big boss God/Satan, and of course the one true similarity.. they aren't real ...
INMATE2468 1 month ago
Dammit Philhellenes. Why are so many of your videos so good they are in my favorites? Seriously, you are the only user to have more than 2 of their videos in my favorites (without checking). Keep up the good content please, its awesome.
demonprinceofkhorne 1 month ago
I am sorry but the point you trying to express is useless. If Heaven exists, it will be a place that cannot be expressed by words. A different level of experience. You are comparing a life in Heaven, an Utopian place of a superior level of experience, to a human quality of life on Earth. A human life in which we can experience in occasions boredom, depression, sadness...But in Heaven everything should be perfect, happiness, peace, love, of course you would love then to live for ever
almariama 1 month ago
@almariama To say in Heaven there will never be boredom but then in the same sentence say "live for ever" is contradictory.
pythor2 3 weeks ago
@pythor2
That is your understanding of things. Boredom and living forever is different. Boredom is a feeling, "living for ever" signifies time. You don't need to spend a lot of time to become bored, you can become bored in one min. And from you comment I can see you didn't understand what I was trying to say, you might won't understand it anyway, but read it again if you don't mind and read it well
almariama 3 weeks ago
@almariama Then you are not employing reasoning with your argument if that's just what your "understanding of things" is. Don't even bother arguing "his point is useless" if you continue with that path.
I said it was contradictory because it was non sequitur. You can't say something is something else with an assertion. That's called an illusion.
pythor2 3 weeks ago
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@pythor2
You don't understand it because YOUR BRAIN AND YOUR FEELINGS ARE LIMITED, THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS AN ILLUSION FOR YOU, LIVING FOR EVER is not a contradictory conclusion, AS I SAID YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT, AS WE ALL DIFFERENT AND I HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN YOU LOT, KEEP YOUR STUPID COMMENT FOR YOURSELF
almariama 3 weeks ago
@pythor2
END OF STORY! OK!
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almariama 3 weeks ago
i would prefer a heaven where i could adjust the environment so it isn't actually ideal(due to monsters and other things), but it would be a hell of a good time trying to survive in that environment, when i get bored i readust it again.
doombybbr 1 month ago
@doombybbr as it isn't worth it if you don't actually have to do any work to get something done.
doombybbr 1 month ago
You just really creeped me out.
2eelShmeal 1 month ago
He has captured something I have always thought about. The concept of living for eternity scares me more than the concept of hell.
bbanks7959 1 month ago
You'd be a mindless drone, or go insane.
technicallyabsurd 1 month ago
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brandijuchmes 2 months ago
I think you misinterpreted that, you see Christians well see anything as god's right way. Someone gets hurt then thank god he didn't die someone does die then thank god for hes in a better place.
"So if u dnt love god u hate everything.." (1 John 2:15) Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.
NO as an atheist I see a world that I am so proud to be brought in, and knowing we started from a single atom makes it jaw dropping. :)
ComedianFromNASA 2 months ago 13
"I'm sorry but this is forever" is a crappy place to end the story. Not saying that I want to spend eternity in Heaven, especially if I can't "sin" but there must be way more to existence than we know or understand. What if we could become creators? ehh, who knows? Not me. Maybe we can have our memories wiped clean, maybe there is some much to know that we wont want our memories wiped.
doriananna 2 months ago
"Somebody has well said that there are only two kinds of people in the world - there are those who wake up in the morning and say, "Good morning, Lord," and there are those who wake up in the morning and say, "Good Lord, it's morning
ComedianFromNASA 2 months ago
@ComedianFromNASA Thats a pretty black and white way of seeing things... So if u dnt love god u hate everything.. okay
foxfire1112 2 months ago
Every good story HAS to have an end! Its that simple. Dunno why humans are afraid of their own..
a10fjet 2 months ago
...The Bible says something fresh will always be happening. I think I would enjoy it thoroughly.
GraydonW 2 months ago
@GraydonW impossibru! there are only so many interesting things that can happen. After a while (unless you have no long term memory) it would necessarily get boring
a10fjet 2 months ago
Do something bad to get out of heaven.
Chrisuperhero 3 months ago
Can't go to any strip clubs in heaven, could you? I wouldn't want to go on one year... But you assume that there will be fields to have picnics on. On a more serious note, this topic has been reviewed before and you're talking at a pace that seems it could last an eternity...
Chrisuperhero 3 months ago
I think the big issue here is that an afterlife without unpleasantness of any form, and without any change to the nature of your existence. Comes with guaranteed insanity and nastiness.
If there is one, I'd prefer a 'russian dolls' set-up of repeatedly entering a larger state of existence (both in your surroundings and your own being) and having no evidence for the next one up. Plenty of struggle, risk and such. If it came with expansion of your mind (comprehend infinity one day) it might work.
stathamajf 3 months ago
Smart intelligent men always take a smoke in the middle of ranting.
richdude 3 months ago
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Einstein was a fraud, a deadbeat dad, and last but not least, a jew. I should feel very offended if such a man could get into heaven :)
phallus0maximus 3 months ago
Good point.
articfox10 3 months ago 19
i'll have my 73 virgins
chinkle0 4 months ago
I would really like to comment, but I am having a difficult time in keeping up with all the straw men running around this whack-job's argument. Just what is it you are lambasting? It cannot be the Christian religion, being that you have misrepresented it at every turn. Is it the thought of religion... or of God? You really ought to spend some time at least perusing, say, the Bible prior to exercising your opinions. Pathetically pedantic.
Your thoughts?
cheagan 4 months ago
@cheagan Did you even watch the video? Or read the description? Christianity was mentioned nowhere (nor was Jesus). He was "lambasting" the concept of eternity in heaven. Really, what he was talking about wasn't that hard to grasp, so if you consider this video "pathetically pedantic" that says a great deal about your intellect...
Eulich 4 months ago
@Eulich Alright... I'll bite: what, then, is the basis for his vitriol? CERTAINLY it isn't Christianity.... What then - Islam? I heard nothing of "seventy virgins", so we cannot assume that. The fact is that he constructs a portrait that is so far from ANY religion's conclusions that it might be difficult to assail his argument from ANY reasonable angle. Convenient.
cheagan 4 months ago
@cheagan He has videos up about Islam too, so it could be that. I would just go with "any religion that has an eternal heaven". At the beginning he states it is his idea of heaven (I don't know if there is an argument presented really). Most believers say they will live for eternity without knowing what eternity entails. The description sums it up "1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years is NOTHING compared to eternity"
Eulich 4 months ago
@cheagan Hello there, here are some thoughts. Your vocabulary and perfect grammar tell me that you probably have a college degree, or you just read a lot. I bet that underneath your creationist-retard exterior, there's a pretty smart guy. However, you are a 41yo youtube troll, so you have an obvious personality disorder. I bet you live in a world of black and white, and you're ALWAYS right, aren't you? After all, why would somebody as smart as you need to take advice from anybody? Continued...
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog One question: are you defending the host, or simply attacking (the straw man you have created to represent) me? An atheist is the one who is always right because, by definition, his assertion is, "I have seen the entire universe, and there is no God in it." One could not possibly make a less credible statement. That's the absolute bottom of the barrel.
cheagan 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog You're subscribed to Alex Jones and you're a creationist... So you probably score in the 90th percentile in both gullibility and IQ. A deadly combo, indeed... You can't see over you're own brain, to the fact that your beliefs are stupid, ridiculous fairy-tales! You're scientifically ignorant, just like all creationists, and you probably don't have many friends. That's why you find intelligent atheists to troll. It's a way of stroking your own ego cuz nobody else will. -->
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog Get to munching troll. This is what you were looking for, right? An intellectual rival? You poor, lonely old man... You could have been cool, but instead you're an ignorant creatard...
Now your turn to respond^^ I know you're gonna look on my channel for some dirt to psycho-analyze me with. There's good stuff there!
Before you carefully formulate your comeback, just know that I already know exactly what you're going to do^^ Clever, OLD, trolls are all the same. lol
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog I have responded with exactly the statement I wished to make - ie, that you, this host, or any other atheist while we're at it, have yet to make a credible statement of any kind. As far as your personal "dirt", I couldn't care any less except to say that in that regard, we're all in the same sinking boat. Perhaps your perception of Christians is that we think of ourselves as "holier" than the rest of you, but just the opposite is true; we are keenly aware of our shortcomings...
cheagan 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog ... which is why we realize our own nakedness before a Holy God. I must admit, that faulty notion most have of believers is, largely, our own doing, but is due to most people not having read the Bible, but saying that they have, and that they understand it. Most do not. The message of the Bible is not, "Be good." but rather, "There is no one who is good." Your personal neuroses don't interest me.
cheagan 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog What might, however, interest me would be some kind of halfway intelligent response on your part, you hateful little sycophant. Or perhaps it isn't possible for you to hear yourself think above the din of your ego telling you, "What a clever boy you are!" So far, a colossal waste of time... but I'll bet that's nothing new to you.
cheagan 3 months ago
@cheagan Oh this is beautiful. You played right into my hands. Thanks for the fun time, troll. Bye^^
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog Did I say something that wasn't true, or did your conscience actually kick in? I am here to discuss philosophy with those with whom I disagree... it's called "debate", and it occurs when two parties can present rational arguments. Still waiting for something of value to come in my direction... notice the absence of fear in my tone; that's key.
cheagan 3 months ago
@cheagan *Grabs one last handful of troll food...*
I'm afraid YOU are the one who needs to be told what a "debate" is, because you broke at least 3 rules of debate in your very first post! Perhaps you are not familiar with Roberts Rules of Order. In debate terms, your post would be referred to as "intellectually dishonest" at best. You resort to name-calling in your very first post and dare to tell me you're DEBATING?
What you did is called TROLLING! So I trolled you back! U mad, bro?
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog I resorted to the "intellectually dishonest" practice of calling a spade a spade, in that I dared to call a fallacy by its name. In your "responses", I have been called a "gullible... retard ", a "troll", a "lonely old man", and a "creatard". It's no business of mine, but I just wonder what sort of intellectual life gives birth to such rhetoric. JUST RESPOND IN A RATIONAL MANNER, for God's sake! Why can't you do that?
cheagan 3 months ago
@cheagan Sorry, I'm all out of food. It's been fun^^
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog As far as I'm concerned, vocabulary and syntax is all we have at our disposal on this venue; if you have something to SAY,then say it. Otherwise stay home, and let the big boys deal with the big issues.
cheagan 3 months ago
@cheagan Still trying to provoke me, eh? Sorry. I've had my fun with you, made my point, and now I'm satisfied. You go tackle those big issues, brave keyboard warrior! May your fat little fingers reveal the LIGHT OF TRUTH to all us dirty atheists!
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
@SonicTheEggNog There's no bravery in what I've done; I simply wanted to inject a little critical thinking into this venue. U mad bro? Or were you not prepared to think critically? I now where I'll place my bets.
cheagan 3 months ago
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@cheagan I don't want to seem lazy, but I'm gonna copy and paste my response...
Still trying to provoke me, eh? Sorry. I've had my fun with you, made my point, and now I'm satisfied.
SonicTheEggNog 3 months ago
Nothing = perfection
abortion4life666 4 months ago
Groundhog Day Effect.
EthanNin0 4 months ago
i'd like to experience everything positive and know everything and experience everything i knew don't want to see my family again though don't like em would rather like to be with my spiritual original family not blood related but those that matched my level of consciousness and spiritual growth and i'd also like to experience pure being and exist in my original state of existence.
TheLovesoul1 4 months ago
I want to sodomize and revel in carnalities forever that's my JOY eat and feast all day fight to the death in fights or battles just to ressurected on the bed with Victoria's Angels. That is JOY. not that tarded christian all saintly saint version of it lol
FreeeeS 4 months ago
i think Bach may have something else to do
deathman1021 4 months ago
when eugenics grants our civilisation immortality he might forget about god and other hokum, plus if we forget our origins and history alltogether we might start to think that we ARE the gods of primitive sentients :p
FreeeeS 4 months ago
@FreeeeS to the primitive man whose life was roughly 20-30 years or so our expected 70-80 would make us seem immortal
deathman1021 4 months ago
@deathman1021 thats not really correct. they usually didnt get older cause of *work related* deaths. would be quite bad for the health to be trampled by mammoth and such. there were no hospitals to heal the sick then. and many mothers probably died in child birth etc. if we could bring them to this time, they'd live as long as anyone else today.
elmondark 4 months ago
@elmondark i know the causes but irregardless, to someone living 20-30 years an 80 year lifespan would seem to be an eternity.
deathman1021 4 months ago
@deathman1021 good insight, by he I meant we
FreeeeS 4 months ago
@deathman1021 actually in most of the modern world we have a growing expectation to be living to 100+ perhaps even as far as 150+ by the middle of this century. Of course, the one limiting factor is neurological breakdown (since they have no real mechanism for "healing" neural tissues) unless we figure out how to hold back such neurological failure.
OkamsRazer 4 months ago
@OkamsRazer i was going entirely on current life expectancy, as i cannot currently acuratly predict future life expectancy
deathman1021 4 months ago
well if you consider how many galaxies, stars, planets, universers? there are, if you spent a year on each planet, or studying said stuff, it's safe to assume you you spend a great deal of time just exploring, and learning. and the universe is always changing, so there can always be new stuff to experience. but you're right. eternity is alot of time ^^
but i dont think we have even scratched the surface of all there is. so it's difficult to imagine what we could do, if we lived forever in heaven
elmondark 4 months ago
@elmondark even if you spend enough time to look at every single planet and do anything you wish, forever still havn't even begun
TehSxc18yearOld 1 month ago
gotta say it
>implying there isnt always something interesting happening
sobored671 4 months ago
Far from being boring, heaven is going to be the best experience ever for those that are there. First off, God says that in his presence is the fullness of joy, so those in heaven will experience unending joy (God is infinite, so, I take this to mean an infinite amount of joy is felt in his presence)! Then, they're going to experience that level of joy for eternity. So, far from being boring, being there is going to be the best experience ever!
jarbon5 5 months ago
Then, the bible speaks of a new heaven and earth son the road, so those in heaven now are going have a totally new universe prepared for them. So, you all can talk about how heaven is going to be a bore, but it is going to be a mind bowing experience, and unchanging mind blowing experience, with it's inhabitants always being wowed by what God has created for them:)
jarbon5 5 months ago
Meant to say, "Then, the bible speaks of a new heaven and earth down the road...". Oops:D
jarbon5 5 months ago
@jarbon5 bigger fool
TehSxc18yearOld 1 month ago
@TehSxc18yearOld If looking forward to heaven (and spending eternity with God and all of those that will be there) makes me a colossal fool, I'll be that!
jarbon5 1 month ago
@jarbon5 You certainly are. I am so glad i'm not like you and truley appreciate how lucky i am to have this ONE LIFE.
TehSxc18yearOld 1 month ago
@TehSxc18yearOld Until you die and realize that although your life has ended, you still exist. I'll tell you what though, it is going to be a HELL of a surprise!
jarbon5 1 month ago
I really wish you knew, as a fellow human being, that this is your one chance. there is no after life. This is it, you're just the result of a 4 billion year chemical reaction of atoms produced from supernovi. You are the univerce becoming concious of itself, and the fact you have the ability to witness the universe is beautiful. it doesn't even know what it looks like.. you are concious atoms. and when you die your atoms don't function in the way they did anymore. i wish you knew
TehSxc18yearOld 1 month ago
@TehSxc18yearOld What i believe is that when I die, I am going to move on from this temporal world, into on that is eternal. That is a world that God has created for those that have received the salvation that Christ died to offer to us. I have received that salvation, so when I die, that is the world where I will spend the rest eternity. This is the hope that I have, and it lets me know that death won't be the end of me, but a new and exiting chapter for me in my existence!
jarbon5 1 month ago
(Oops, meant to say "exciting chapter...") Now, some would argue with you over what you said about there being no afterlife. But, to me, there's no need for that. I say that because you know about as much as I do as to what's actually waiting on the other side of death's door, being that you haven't been there. Anyway, I am a firm believer that when I'm absent from my body (in death), I'm going to with my Lord. This is the glorious hope that I have, and I thank God for it:)
jarbon5 1 month ago
@jarbon5 i suggest you watch this video /watch?v=6rAK3OupNk8&feature=g-u&context=G23b66b9FUAAAAAAANAA to fully understand out viewpoint on what happens to us when we die, it's the first question so don't worry about having to watch it all :P if not then i will leave in saying as long as you do good in your life towards others (not just because you think it will get you into your personal view of heaven) and don't push your religion on others, i can not fault you. But i wish you knew.
TehSxc18yearOld 1 month ago
@TehSxc18yearOld Well, no one knows for sure, not even this guy. Still, I believe that heaven will be waiting for me when I die:)
jarbon5 1 month ago
@jarbon5 that would make ppl explode from joy :)
sounds a bit creepy to live in infinite joy for infinity...
elmondark 4 months ago
Another way to see it is those that are in heaven being overjoyed to be were they are, overjoyed to be with those that are there, and that's just the beginning. Can't see how that would sound creepy, but to each their own. But, like I was saying, heaven (then the new heaven and new earth) is going to be an incredible experience for those that are there!
jarbon5 4 months ago
@jarbon5 which is no one :) but sure, if heaven did exist, im sure it would be quite amazing. and im sure you couldnt get bored or anything.
elmondark 4 months ago
@elmondark well that goes with the modern "everyone gets a personal heaven" idea as well as the idea that it wouldnt be static, meaning that you could change it as you choose.
if it is the static public heaven that the christian thinks of, you know everyone everywhere and peace and all that, then it would get dull rather quick
deathman1021 4 months ago
@deathman1021 illogical excuses :)
say i get my personal heaven, who would be in it? my family and friends. they would want their friends in there too. then we have entire humanity in there in the end. would i need to say: hey get out of my personal heaven!
in heaven everyone is awesome, so everyone that is there would be your friend, so why would there be a need for a *personal heaven*? thats just rubbish.
elmondark 4 months ago
@elmondark well by definition since it is your personal heaven and everyone would get one then you would be alone and all the people would be technically figments of your imagination, since its a spiritual location technically that could be infinate space so still alone.
and besides im not saying its feasable, im an athiest, this is just talking for the sake of arguement
deathman1021 4 months ago
@deathman1021 that would make heaven even more retarded :) being there all alone, and having imaginary friends and family....well thats the life of christians already. having an imaginary god, and angels helping them out :)
elmondark 4 months ago
@elmondark Well actually the personal heaven is the prevailing idea of what heaven is these days, shows like american dad did that, one i actually like called supernatural adressed it as well, so its the medias prevailing idea of what it would be these days. personally if i had to live forever i wouldnt want to be in some stationary static environment, id want to explore the stars, why not i would have an eternity after all
deathman1021 4 months ago
@deathman1021 ya, i'd cruise around the universe exploring stuff. but i dont see the reason to live on earth at all, for a few years. then forever in heaven. might as well be born in heaven. or live forever in this world.
heaven would just be based on your imagination, if you dont have any imagination, it's gonna be as boring as here anyways :)
at least this universe offers a lot of diversity, without having an imagination :p
elmondark 4 months ago
@jarbon5 youll get used to it then youll be fuckin bored
deathman1021 4 months ago
@jarbon5 fool.
TehSxc18yearOld 1 month ago
Another way to spend eternity could be experiencing life from the point of view of every animal in the world, then the same on infinitely more worlds. And even then it would suck knowing it will never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER end.
fcpictures 5 months ago
If I could have an infinite afterlife, I would likely put myself into the shoes of fictional characters. Temporarily without memory of previous life. That would be an effective method of coping with eternity.
fcpictures 5 months ago
could you get bored with something infinitely large? with infinite time? logic paradox POV, i have finite time but infinite stuff would i get bored, if i have infinite time but finite stuff would i get bored. if i have both finite time and stuff would i get bored? if i have infinite time and stuff would i not get bored?
soMeRandoM670 5 months ago
@soMeRandoM670 finite time and infinite stuff you would not get bored with. infinite time with finite or infinite stuff would get you bored, since there is supposedly an infinite number of people who enter heaven with infinite amounts of knowledge and skills and teach you with, you would still get, on average, bored.
The point is you might learn a new thing every thousand years, or after a while, every hundred thousand years, but you'd still get pretty bored of living.
pythor2 5 months ago
@philhellenes
very interesting topic, i had thought about it before being saved. yes i follow christ, no im not here to tell you, UR WRONG ARGHGH JAJAJ lol no its personal matter i will keep to my self. thats not point, i had thought and or prayer if u could say, that heaven is really a place of rest or even better place where there is no thoughts just empty, been said that heaven is when u enter it. minimal time has past from earth 2,THOuSAND years. u made me rethink what has to happen atdeath
soMeRandoM670 5 months ago
9.999999999999999..9e+(1+...), there we go we close but very far away.
soMeRandoM670 5 months ago
"I'm sorry, but this is forever"
"May I talk to your superior then?"
bogdan1231 5 months ago 31
well, you are completely right if you take Earth as reference! but once other dimensions and laws get into the play things change
life of a single sperm, life of a baby in the womb, life after birth ... it expends exponentially
falvino1010 6 months ago
Voice is tooooo low..
hatke159 6 months ago
@lotmein20 sounds horrible doesn't it?
FattyMcFox 6 months ago
apart from the fact that the earth is being ruined by a bunch of money hungry fuckwits that want to enslave the world with their globalist agend there is lots of reasons to want to live forever on this very earth. HUMANS ROCK
PaulypowerUK 6 months ago
@PaulypowerUK
very well said, love your comment.
majorrong 6 months ago
Memory wipe? everything old is new again.
FattyMcFox 6 months ago
@FattyMcFox
But would that person after the memory wipe still be the same person?
What are we more then our memories?
Londron 6 months ago
@Londron maybe, maybe not. it was a snarky remark that i came up with when i asked myself this question when i was younger.
and any way a god that would think hell is a just punishment would think nothing of memory tampering.
FattyMcFox 6 months ago
That number is one septillion. Here are the names of these numbers. Millions, billions, trillions, Quadrillions, Quintillions, Sextillions, Septillions, Octillions, Nonillions, Decillions, Undicillions, Duodecillions, Tredicillions, Quatodicillions, Quintdicillions, Sexdicillions, Sepdicillions, Octodicillions, Nondicillions, well, I can't remember beyond that, and I probably have mis-spelled some of them, and it's still not even the beginning of eternity. Am I boring you yet?
BigFatHeretic 7 months ago
Reincarnation is a hell of a thought.
msafruk 7 months ago
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ZeusHelios 8 months ago
@ZeusHelios if heaven is perfect how can it progress ........... perhaps heaven would be exactly how he described it
king78802 7 months ago
@king78802 Perfection is not necessarily completeness. It can be a perfect place in many ways but we can still have eternal progression in a perfect world
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
@ZeusHelios You are losing your your lucidity with all these posts.
"but we can still have eternal progression in a perfect world" - you either need to clarify what you think 'progression' means, or what 'perfect' means. You cannot have both, by definition.
You are grasping at straws here. Eternal life WOULD remove any significance from your life. Even the Sun will one day die. So should living beings.
No matter what way you dress it up, "forever" is a bad thing, not a good thing.
EppurSiMuove419 7 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 By progression I mean forever expanding our minds or knowledge or forever learning new things and doing new things. By Perfect I mean living in harmony with all beings and all nature so that we are always in harmony and happy with all things Also by perfect is being always in good health Eternal life would give greater purpose and all things learned and done would make you feel an achievement that will last forever with you. I guess thats an opinion we differ on.
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 Dont limit the possibilities. True the sun will eventually burn out but not for millions of years. By then will probably make our own heat and light and may not need a sun Or we can move to a planet with a sun suitable for life. There are many possiblities for survival. Humans will find a way. Maybe even create a new sun. Maybe even create a new big bank and therefore a new universe. Who knows time will tell. If nature can do it so can we by copying nature.
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
@king78802 A God who creates all things and knows all things surely would have thought about boredom. And would have seen to it in some way. I doubt very much heaven is anything like he described it. A super intelligent being would have thought of everything I'm sure we will have plenty to do there. Also maybe there is no such thing as boredom
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
Couldn't you just periodically wipe most of your memory, so all the fun stuff is new and fresh again?
And spend time exploring the history of the universe?
I don't believe for a second there is an afterlife, but I could see ways of making eternity entertaining. You could even simply have all your emotions except boredom. Or add some cognitive ability to always think of a new thing. And to not be limited to merely human experiences and ideas.
It's all imaginary magic anyway.
TheSkunkCat 8 months ago
@TheSkunkCat
You know like me... I think I'd start going on a reality warping rampage with a kickass villain song or something like that. That'd be a fun start, and that's something I can't do as a normal mortal. And it'd be fun! Sure, it might get boring after a while, but it might be fun again in the next thousand years. And once you're up to the point where nothing seems fun, just wipe all the memories you'd think be fun to relive fresh.
TheSkunkCat 8 months ago
@TheSkunkCat Yea Except you wont need to wipe your memories as they form part of your experiences in life. I'm sure if there was a heaven there will always be stuff to do. Who knows we may have different and new brain functions which allows us to do more than what we can do now And new and positive emotions to experience Just like happiness maybe there are other sensations to experience. Maybe an infinite of everything.
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
To get things straight, I'm an atheist, but what if heaven was like a narcotic. Your not fully aware of anything anymore, you just have an eternity of a peaceful feeling and vague experience. Your not aware of how much time has past, your not even aware of the past. You just feel happy right then. There fore the passing of time would be irrelevant. Just some fast food for thought.
Nervousification 8 months ago
@Nervousification What you are proposing sounds like it would be even worse than the conventional, "Fully conscious" heaven. I feel like if I was the way you are describing, I would take even less interest in my "vague experiences". If heaven would rather make me into a shell of a conscious being, then no thanks to that one even more than the already awful "live forever" scenario.
The bottom line is the MEN who wrote the various religions didn't stop to actually think this "eternity" idea out.
EppurSiMuove419 8 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 Truly. Another possibility is that "god is just so good" that he can make you happy forever.
Nervousification 8 months ago
@Nervousification LOL yeah I'm pretty sure when confronted with this problem, that is what someone who wishes to live in heaven MUST feel like. And, of course the only means by which a god could make you happy forever, would have to be defined as "magic".
This is why the major religions are still around today, because they tell their adherents the exactly right combination of lies to allow them not to think about things. Instead, its acceptable to just say "The magic man dun it with his magic."
EppurSiMuove419 8 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 I don't have an issue with religion so much as I do creationist science. The people who go out, and deliberately make up misinformation about science just to promote more lies. That how it is with anyone who lies. Eventually it catches up with you and you can only save yourself by telling more lies. The more I learn about creationists, the most I feel they are truely evil. If I believed in Satan, Kent Hovind would be him. A charismatic liar.
Nervousification 8 months ago
@Nervousification Well I agree with most of what you said, but I would like to point out that while not all religious people have to be creationists, all creationists are sure to be religious people. Unless we are talking about pure deists, but thats something else entirely.
My point is that the people you know who are religious who dont do terrible things like spread lies about science/keep slaves, are only doing so because they are ignoring what their religion (bible) commands them to do.
EppurSiMuove419 8 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 Yea, I don't take issue with religious people, it's creationists. Of course, most of them are just poor saps that got lied to.
Nervousification 8 months ago
@EppurSiMuove4 Well maybe we will have to think of it some day Who knows some day science may bring about the possibility of living forever
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
@ZeusHelios I think if scientists ever DID figure out how to prolong life forever, they would be responsible enough not to use it. This planet cannot even sustain humanity at its growing rate for much longer as it is, without people living forever. Can you imagine the amount of resources America would consume if no one ever died? Can you imagine the overcrowding?
People NEED to die. Without death there is no reason to do things; no reason to work hard. Without death life is utterly meaningless.
EppurSiMuove419 7 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 Totally disagree with you. Humanity can sustain itself forever. We just need to do things right for the benefit of all and our planet which is not what we are fully doing. We just need change our behaviour and put aside many of humanities negative side. Death can give us a meaningless life Eternal life can give us a meaning and a purpose. There are ways to sustain a growing population. including inhabiting other planets.
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
@ZeusHelios So you envision a human race, far advanced in our science, spreading throughout the cosmos because once one of us is born, they NEVER die? The would mean that humanity would multiply at an uncontrollable exponential rate. You don't see this as a bad thing?
Your future is predicated on first finding many many other technologies, necessary to sustain life forever. Its also predicated on having already found other inhabitable planets.
What if we found the serum tomorrow? What then?
EppurSiMuove419 7 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 Funny I did not get this message in my inbox. My reply to that is simple. Who said there is an end to anything. Space could be endless Stars and planets are in their billions it will take so much more billions of years to occupy them all. If it was found tomorrow we will find a way to start shifting ourselves and occupy our planets land and sea above and below. The moon and near by planets. It may be a problem now but not in the future.
ZeusHelios 6 months ago
@EppurSiMuove419 When some Stars burn out new ones are formed. But maybe we will in many years to come, over come all problems that will allow eternal life for all who wish it. Maybe not all will want it.
Who knows we could create an endless amount of new worlds to occupy Perhaps create new universes. If a big bang happened maybe we can copy it and make a new universe. Only time will tell if we can do these things and if eternal life can really be practical.
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@EppurSiMuove419 It does sound like something that just cant be, but then what cant be, maybe we can make it happen Maybe we dont need to live forever as individuals. For each child born is part of us and so we live forever in that child But when you think about it individuals may not live forever but life so far has and it can continue to live for many billions of years We can help it continue to do so for ever by making our world and many more habitable for new generations to come.
ZeusHelios 6 months ago
@Nervousification Sounds boring. But it was interesting what you said.
ZeusHelios 7 months ago
the line after "I am sorry, but this is forever" is "and your in the other place, muhahaha...., muhahaha...."
MeOverThinker 8 months ago
Gogoolplex
jomardomingo77 8 months ago
how would you pronounce that number?
kingsmiles1 8 months ago
@kingsmiles1 One thousand trillion trillion, or one billion billion billion.
philhellenes 8 months ago 5
@philhellenes or one octillion
lalamonkeydude 8 months ago
@philhellenes Isn't it one octillion?
SSJ3Ulcer 7 months ago
@philhellenes
10^27
1000 septillion
1000 yotta years.
JamesThWilliams 7 months ago
@JamesThWilliams
Or you could call it an Octillion.
JamesThWilliams 7 months ago
@philhellenes Would that qualify as (in the states perhaps) an octillion?
2eelShmeal 6 months ago
@philhellenes Ore one octillion, right?
hallpriest9 4 months ago
@kingsmiles1 One Octillion
TinyMike111 8 months ago
@kingsmiles1 I say it 'one times ten to the twentyseventh'
skoockum 5 months ago
@kingsmiles1
octillion
Kikarok 5 months ago
Phils videos creates so many thoughts in me than no other... that's the reason i come back in here once in a while to read what thoughts it wakes on other people.
Usually I don't mind or care to read the comments but Phil's videos makes an exception.
Zaiho 8 months ago
It is an interesting assumption to make that you will 'need' sleep or rest. But if you NEVER had any weariness, or if you never BECAME sleepy, or if your 'body' (whatever form that takes in Heaven) never needs the REGENERATIVE benefits of sleep, would you INSIST that you MUST sleep every 'cycle' or time period?
Or would TIME cease to actually HAVE any meaning? As intelligent sounding as Phil sounds, his subtle assumptions are just that, assumptions of what his human mind can conceive.
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023 So you think Heaven is real then? That's quite the assumption there isn't it now? Do you have any reason or evidence for a belief in Heaven? Is Muslim Heaven real too?
bigboy45454545 8 months ago
@bigboy So you think all matter sprang into existence out of nothingness? That's quite an assumption. And you think that random chaos combined to produce intelligence and coherent communication? That's quite an assumption. And you think 'Space-Time' is the only reality in the cosmos? That's quite an assumption. What about all the other Multi-verses in the 'brane? Does space-time obey the SAME laws of physics there too? That's quite an assumption.
Fun game. Let's play ! Your turn.
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023 That's quite an assumption that you think science says that all matter sprang into existence out of nothing. Or this is your strawman if you will. A fundie with talk of branes and multi-verses, I'd be impressed if not for the fact that talk of such things makes your magic Gods even less likely, and you might know this. Or you're just using buzz-words you think you understand. God did it right my boy, but God didn't need a creator did he now Mr. Fundie? Do you have evidence of Heaven.
bigboy45454545 8 months ago
@bigboy45454545 Actually, 'scientific' imagination of 'branes and multi-verses' is only the pale attempt to try and imagine a 'godless god' for atheism.
BTW What's a fundie? It is pointless to try and hurl an insult that carries no meaning.
And how about try and have an intelligent conversation, instead of assuming a position of 'superiority' that is neither earned nor accurate. Actual science is NEVER based on intimidation and insults. NOR does consensus determine scientific fact.
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023 You know what a fundie is. You know very well. How dishonest of you. Instead of rebutting the criticism, you play the hurt feelings card. And throw in some straw man argument of your own. Typical.
VvDOPAMEANvV 8 months ago
@VvDOPAMEANvV Greetings. Actually, I did NOT know when I posted my reply. Then I went to Google and found the WIKI page defining this infantile insult. I would say THAT is the typical behavior of the new intoleRANT godless left in this world. Whether fundie, birther, denier, etc, the *NEW* hate-speech dialogue of the intellectually void left is to make up names and hurl concocted terms.
But I admire your attempt at mind-reading and insults. Shows you have learned from the masters you serve.
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023
Such a pussy answer from someone brought up to be such a pussy.
Your parents failed on a magnitude never before witnessed.
TheAmorri 8 months ago
@TheAmorri Can you count how many zero's are in the title of this video? It will require more than your toes and fingers... Not sure your 3rd grade programming will help you there, my friend...
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023
My toes and fingers are occupied with your mother's anus.
TheAmorri 8 months ago
@TheAmorri So, you CAN'T count even the number of 0's in the title... a sterling example of atheist intelligence.
Darwin would be proud...
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023 You seem to have some good answers. If you are religious which version of which religion are you?
timrice666 8 months ago
@timrice666 Greetings. What answers do you think are good answers, and why?
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023 Hi, mainly one answer, after that it descended into name calling. alot of atheists seem to think science disproves god (it doesn't) and that religious people just blindly believe (some might, most do not), you pointed (correctly) to some scientific assumptions, and I was wondering where you're coming from religiously (if you are religious).
timrice666 8 months ago
@timrice666 I would say I have a deep and unshakable faith in God and His Son, the Lord Jesus. But I do not apply the word 'Religious' to myself, because I really have no respect and no regard for the formal, institutionalized bureaucracies we see today. It is about have a personal and dynamic relationship with the God of the Universe.
For me, it began when I was about 9 and God miraculously healed my Kidney. you can watch my video testimony if you are interested. Peace.
Texas75023 8 months ago
@Texas75023 I looked at your channel, kudos to you (i'm always impressed by the effort some youtubers put in), but i couldn't find your testimony, i'll go back and watch a few vids and maybe comment (hope you allow comments). I see you are interested in islam, why do you think your god allows other religions? I can understand allowing atheism (freewill) but why are so many people not even given the chance to know your god?
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