In other words, unemployment is the MOST URGENT problem, but not the most important one. We all know how capitalism works: bonanzas and crisis. Nothing new there. The structure of the Spanish economy and the enormous importance the real estate sector has provokes huge unemployment during financial downturns, but it is not real, for many are working in the black market.
So yes, unemployment must be tackled, but in the long run demographics and national unity are far more decisive.
For all the people who watch the video: We the spanish are usually (99%) good people and we like working and earning money, but our politicians are shit and the situation is apocallyptic. When Europe has a political union we'll be fine, commanded by competent people.We alone finish in civil war (4 in our history)
History of Spain: brave soldiers with stupid generals....the story repeats again.
This video shows PERFECTLY the situation in my loved and bankrupted nation.THANKS The Economywatch
@cocotena The situation is the same throughout the EU, the Euro was a BIG mistake and ruined a lot of business, the EU itself needs to be downgraded to a free trade agreement. It's like the old USSR. Another socialist experiment FAILED.
There us no economic crisis, the Catholic Church just wants a one world currency and by creating a fake crisis the pope can try to push his agenda. Then you got devil worshipers like King Juan Carlos who is trying to obtain the Power of Caesar and will evenatualy achive his goal. Then you have Juan Carlos's evil son Prince Felipe who is the Antichrist and will usurp them all.
I used to holiday in spain, when they changed to the euro, things started to get expensive, so I changed my destination, you don't get value for money abroad so I stay at home now, I like spain
If you're serious about wanting to solve Spain's problems, it would pay you to stop blaming others for your own government's mistakes. The English have nothing to do with Spain's downfall, FFS.
Thank you I understand you make this videos to help us. Situation is horrible. I am a young spanish engineer working in air conditioning installations for all those new house in Spain and I think I'll close my business in a few months. There's no work for my mechanics..... it's not like in 2000-2007.
In Spain situations like this always finish badly.
Now we have a conservative government since november, I hope they can change this or we'll have to look for a work in Germany.
The party is over in Spain.Futbol, bulls and beaches....all except hardworking Now we have to pay the bill. Benidorm or Ibiza won't be the same in several years.....
I can understand your anger, on the day Moody's downgraded Spain another 2 notches. But why blame the English for all your problems?? The English didn't insist Spain join the Euro. Your government did. What's wrong with crackers and jam? Seems harmless compared to bullfighting. Slavery has been around for thousands of years; long before England existed. It's in the Bible FFS! Yeah, we import food - from Spain! You look like you could use the money these days! Get over it!
Spain now has one of the lowest birth rates in Europe 1.1 chilldren per couple. How sad, 40-50 years ago Spain seemed to have a high birth-rate but now it has swung to the opposite end of the spectrum. The West is dying&as the west dies so goes the white European people.
You expose the disastrous effect EU imposed laws from Brussels have had on European Countries. The example of the 12,000 EUR on the spot fine the bar owners had to pay for something that was entirely not their fault whilst just 20 miles south in Morocco business owners can get away with rape and murder of their employees by bribing the authorities for much less... What your amateur camera shows is the initial steps to the genocide of the European People's and I couldn't thank you enough!
@bicepsca It's not me who decides which countries are in trouble! The money markets do that job very nicely by making debt repayment cost more for such countries which have failed to manage their finances properly.
BTW, I'm now back in Spain to make a follow-up where I'll be interviewing northern european people who live in Spain to try to find out from them how we can get Spain back on its feet again. Should be out in around 2 months' time from now with a bit of luck.
@TheEconomywatch thankyou for your responce, and I am looking forward to your next video. However I just don't understand how a video of real estate can tell people how a country is doing. Got to detroit and film there and you will see empty towns and no future. But I wish you all the luck. thanks
@TheEconomywatch This is not the end, prices drop and reinvestment begins, a lot of the property in Spain is overpriced anyway if you compare it to salary. However, seaside resorts will always be expensive even without British investors quite simply because it's a privelege to live by the sea so the Spanish will pay a premium. The blame does not sit with the Brits, we did contribute to the price increase but it's not our fault.
Political tourist, I was being sarcastic. In some parts of London the rent is £4000 a month. The reason we have so many immigrants is the government pay their rent and give them free money. To be honest who is not going to come UK when they are gaurateed a plush town house in the middle of the worlds most thriving capital city, to a 3rd world immigrant this is heaven. Of course years of uncontrolled spending means our welfare system is now out of control and our country overrun with immigrants.
The reason why we continue to allow this is because English people have no idea about the problems in Europe, i.e. gypsies etc. They still believe that if you give an immigrant a house and a free start in the UK, they will reform themselfs and become model citizen just like the English. LOL
@Liebana1000 The cities you mentioned are actually amongst the best in UK (besides London and Brighton). If you want to see really miserable places where the local economy has been devastated I suggest you go to parts of North West England like Nottingham and Blackpool
@politicaltourist My apologies haven't travelled to the U.K. in nearly fifteen years,but I believe you get my point. And despite some hard times,Madrid,Barcelona,Valencia,Sevilla and most Spanish cities in general have never looked better:new museums,parks,ect. Don't expect to become Naples or Genoa anytime soon. The Partido Popular will win the next general election and right the wrongs of Socialism!
@Liebana1000 The centres of these cities look wonderful so the elites can stroll around in their tailored suites and rolex watches and pretend everything is great. The only city that is both beautiful and also has an economy to back up its image is Bilbao that has mining, industry, great gastronomy and higher end tourism. Barcelona is dirty, drug ridden and a huge tourist trap. Madrid has a majestic, vibrant and clean centre but walk down a kilometer on Alcala and see the closed shops...
@politicaltourist I live in Madrid so don't even go there! There are FEW cities in Europe,I would opt to live over
beautiful and dynamic Madrid. Barcelona is the jewel of the Mediterranean and always will be,regardless of the tough times.Bilboa is o.k. for a weekend trip,perhaps? It only has the Guggenheim and sincerely not much else! Mining? Industry?Tourism are no longer or have NEVER been applicable to Spain's Baltimore i.e., Bilbao-I take it you where just joking. Bilbao is ugly!
@Liebana1000 Madrid is a dynamic metropolis of 4 million Spaniards (half are over the age of 50) and 2 million foreigners. The centre is great but I was refering to the dysmal state, neglect and poverty of much of the suburban area of Madrid. Barcelona is fortunate enough to be on the sea and has a nice old quarter. Otherwise it resembles any North African city on coast only more dirty and overpriced than any North African town. Bilboa and San Sebastian are rich, cultures, clean and sustainable
@politicaltourist I would strongly advise you to consult:World's Best Cities .globalelitesnet and City Mayors citymayorscom for rankings listing both Madrid and Barcelona in the top 30 cities in the world! Forbes also has Madrid and Barcelona w/very high rankings. You clearly have a Vasco driven agenda,pero no pasa nada! Bilboa and San Sabastain are both third tier cities(sorry). Barcelona(N. African)? What planet are you from? Perhaps Londonistan? Save that crap for Marseilles.
@politicaltourist Madrid has a metro population of nearly 6 million and 15% are foreign,but 45% of these are E.U. London and Paris both have a much larger % of third world residents(fact)! Both have Europe's 2nd and 3rd largest muslim populations.Large parts of Paris/London resemble sub-sahara Africa(fact)
@Liebana1000 Kudos to the Spanish that unlike the crazy English the Spanish don't hand out passports to the 2 million third world immigrants that live in Madrid. That doesn't mean they don't exist... In any case I agree that Madrio De Janeiro or Madribogota is still heaps better than Londonistan. I actually like Spain a lot and especially Madrid but I am not blind to what's going on
@Liebana1000 I agree the Socialists were/are a disaster for Spain but the Spanish can only blame themselves. Who else in the world would vote for a man called ZAPATERO?!? Its true the cities you mentioned are worst than Madrid but France and UK have an advantage over Spain - the Brits and French actually have children. The Spanish unfortunately don't which is why your problem is as acyute as that of UK/France
@politicaltourist Again it is an open secret that Socilaist in Europe,especially Sweden have tried to dismantle
the family and make their populations more dependent on the state(the Swedish Left have admitted this!).A majority of Swedes now,like blacks in America mostly have children w/out both parents in the home. There
are two Spains' and the right rises by the hour! All is not yet lost. We have faced greater hurdles here before
and soon we will begin to clean house.Just wait and see!
@Liebana1000 I sincerely wish you luck and that it works out for you. The Spanish have much to be proud of and all Europeand owe a HUGE debt to the brave people of Spain and the Royals of Leon and Aragon that stood against the Moorish expansion between 10-15th century and Saint Isabela the Catholic of Castilla that regained all of Iberia and cemented the conquest.
You're right. Socialism destroyed Spain in 1996 and did the same the last seven years (2004-2011). Those damned bombs in the trains....................
I like this video!!! Now poor little Spaniards will have do do what their Portuguese siblings have done and work as the cleaners/ shoe shiners for rich white European countries.
@YDdraigGoch13 I think you are overly optimistic. The Portugese had a huge empire and lost it so they are more adapt to working hard and recovering from disasters. The Spaniards are still in their fools paradise. They think their good looks and charm is like a spell on the Northern Europeans who will galantly spring to their rescue when it is revealed the Cajas have half a trillion Euros of toxic loans. I don't doubt the Germans would love to save them but they won't afford such a bailout
@loki04sw If Sweden is such a wonderful place, how is it that the SverigeDemokraterna Party had such alarming success in the last Elections? Obviously the people who voted for them aren't exactly happy with their housing & employment situation in Sweden. Otherwise, why would they vote in such a way? Sweden still has a housing crisis. There are tens of thousands of people in Sweden who are on waiting lists hoping for an apartment, only to end up in something as grotty as the ones in Rosengard.
Economic and political manipulation of society should be a crime against humanity, due to the fact it throws these man-made constructed systems in chaos which are meant to regulate our lives. This manipulation often ends up destroying the peoples' lives and gives the power of the masses to the selected few.
I'll say this. Nothing further can be done about this economic collapse.You see people? This economy has been built on nothing but hot air. A ponzi scheme can't continue forever.Sooner or later people will realize that money isn't worth the paper printed on.
The facts are that the English would prefer to live in Spain i.e., retire or vacation then:Liverpool,Birmingham,Manchester,Leeds,Bristol,take your pick! The fun and
the sun will always be in Spain,grey slums in the U.K.!
Spain is like lots of other countries of the West, broke, over indebted, endless welfare and so poverty for most, on and on. Classic to much govt in action, just like the US.
Governments are always the problem, why do we even need them? All their services can be provided by competing businesses (with full liability because government gives businesses limited liability).
Part 1. @ TheEconomywatch, I'm writing from Poland, and I would like all of you to know how it's like here. Since we joined The European Union prices has risen by 3 to 5 times (depending on various factors). My friend bought a flat for 2000 PLN (around 440 GBP - current exchange rate) for square meter - that's how they are priced here, not for number of bedrooms as it's in UK. I don't know how it is in Spain. In 2007 or 2008 hes sold it for around 7000 PLN (1550 GBP). TBC
2. Average monthly salary is here around 2200 PLN (500 GBP) netto per month - more or less 4 times lower than in UK. I've heard that there's an economical rule which states that price of a square meter should be more or les the same as average monthly salary. Here in Cracow where I'm writing from, it's still 3-5 times higher. These prices are definitely result of conspiracy between banks, developers and...governement. Few years ago they started somethng they called "Family on Their Own". TBC
3. It means that if you have family you can take a preferential loan in bank and for first 8 years interest rate is significantly lower than if you take the same credit without "Family On Their Own" program. But...first of all it works only when the price of square metre (sorry for confusing meter with metre before. In Polish this word means "metre") is appropriate, second, after 8 tyears interest rate and installments are significantly higher than if the loan was taken according to...TBC
4. ...normal interest rates. Third - all "missing" interest is paid by government from...taxpayers money. They clearly support developers and banks obviously must be involved somehow. During the past 5 years there has been huge brainwashing here with articles in 2006-2008 stating "customers, buy flats now, they won't be cheaper anymore". Of course we are not Spain comparing climate, food, way of life, and popularity among UK, German or Russian buyers, so there's nothing similar here so far.
5. Our government states that we are "an green island on the ocean of crisis" and...the public debt is rising dramatically. So we shall see. Thank you for creating this movie. I wish Spaniards and all people from abroad who decided to live in Spain all the best. Andy, Cracow.
@MrJonathanSarkos Thanks, Andy. Interesting stuff. In respect of Spain once again, I saw a report on today's Bloomberg news (big financial news site) that the rate of property repossessions in Spain next year will be THREE times higher than it has been each year for the last few years. The banks are being forced to dump all their housing stock on an already saturated market because they were using these assets to over-value their reserves, making their figures look better. Someone call the IMF!
@TheEconomywatch us banks are doing a similar real estate game. lots of assets, nothing on the market trying to bump up prices, but employment is still low and house prices, on the west coast are still high, with slower sales. lots of empty commercial real estate, but not on the same level as europeans-due to use of autos and the last vestiges of perceived dollar value.
@TheEconomywatch The next two years will be worse, if you want to buy something in Spain; wait !! You will get it for 10 cents to the Euro. The raise of Turkey as a holiday maker/buyer has also an important factor.
@Tralgit Yes, I am reliably informed Spanish banks are about to start swamping the market with all the houses and flats they repossessed over the last couple of years. This will accelerate the collapse of the housing market. When it all finally shakes down, though, as you say, there will be some wonderful bargains to be picked up in the land of sunshine. But nevertheless, the Spanish really NEED to get out of the Euro NOW or the country will be mired in severe recession for ever.
the spanish government has started paying the mortgage of unemployed to stop huge numbers of properties being repossed. desperate spanish are moving to other european countries to find work.. 5.000.000 unbemployed 21%. i would urge everyone to not give work to spanish. they are such racists they will not employ english or other europeans in spain.
@TheEconomywatch "the Spanish really NEED to get out of the Euro NOW or the country will be mired in severe recession for ever"
To get out of the Euro would mean losing a lot of money in the process, I am not sure of it being a good idea.
The real problem of Spain is not unemployment, which is natural here. We hit 25% in 1995 -like the US at the darkest point of the Great Depression- and nothing happened. The real problems are an ageing population and the Basque and Catalan separatists.
@HerrOttoKranz That's a problem. The old people shouldn't be blamed. Your stupid politicians who promised them fancy pensions should be blamed. In addition strict labor rules another problem, which don't allow young people to have a chance just to enter into the labor market. YOu should be thankful for god for having such mild winters, and saving so much money on energy. If you would live in North Europe you would understand that.
Is this video fake? Surely if it was real you would see all these unsold properties advertised up for rent at least, yet as many will know, it's impossible to rent cheap villa in costa del sol as they are always full up, so it's either 20,000 euros a month for a golden mile palace or a package holiday. If you don't believe me search the property websites.
No, it's for real. I just spoke with a friend of mine in the area a few days ago and there has been no improvement over the summer. None at all.
You have to remember the scenes shown are in the Costa Blanca. The worst hit areas stretch across Valencia, Alicante, Murcia down to Almeria and Andalucia. Inland Spain and Marbella are totally different markets which have been less affected than the coasts of the south east.
@leerees 20,000 Euros a month to rent a villa on the costas? Somebody has a sense of humour or else youve been taken to the cleaners! You can BUY studio apartments for a little more than 20,000 Euros not too far from the coast nowadays!
basically it's the english doing a runner and leaving debts, friends and even the family dog behind. other nationalities remain and continue working here. And continue building a future here.
basically it's the english doing a runner and leaving debts, friends and even the family dog behind. other nationalities remain and continue working here. And continue building a future here.
basically it's the english doing a runner and leaving debts, friends and even the family dog behind. other nationalities remain and continue working here. And continue building a future here.
@mrypg9 At least the English can let their hair down and laugh about themselves - something most Southern Europeans are incapable of doing. Five years ago a Greek in Athens got very offended when I remarked that Kolonaki (the "posh" part of Athens) looks and feels like a council estate in London. He said I was very wrong and that everything was so fabulous that soon it will be like Monte Carlo. I leave it to you to judge who was right. A lack of self criticism is the last thing you need
I feel so cool, rather feel coolest to see all the mo'ckers developers( interlopers, squelchers) gone bust for good , never to rise again,.. Tweii ! Spit on Ya !,, dirty suckers, politicos, financios, milit-dingos
If what you're saying about the fine is true then this piece of property should just be demolished. However its doesn't surprise me that such laws exist. Spain after all was an empire way before England so it stands to reason they mastered the art of government silliness. Maybe even invented government silliness. Most Latin American countries were Spanish lands, look how well they're doing, lol. Specifically Argentina and Mexico are prime examples of vast waste.
Bureacrats are closing down business, taxes are going up, ugly developments are being made with no owners- increasing losses meanincreased bureaucrats and increased dysfuntional plans. Not just Spain, but the world is becoming Detroit !
Good reportage from the ground in the creditvilles in Spain at the start of the New Depression, but less camera tech gimmicks - like that collapsing picture segment, - it merely distracts away from the point of the film.
Spain has one if not the highest unemployment levels to develop in Europe. If they lose the World Cup, the high-testosterone of the unemployed younger male society there will have nothing to do but to riot. The loss not so bad for Germany since at least their country still has money and actually produces things.
For their own sake, people living in Spain better pray their team wins the cup.
wow,amazing seeing it like a ghost town,i prayer but it will prob happen,that our economy in canada gets as bad as spain,greece and soon to be italy,ireland and portugal
South Spain is already becoming the slum of Europe- all self-inflicted by greed and arrogance! It will bite the corrupt politicians also over time as it filters down. Where will the money come from now??? Spain shouldn't have p***** off the foreigners. NO-ONE WITH EVEN HALF A BRAIN CELL WILL INVEST IN SPAIN NOW!
very true. i put a video on you tube of a bus driver in valencia textign whilst driving and instead of comments from spanish like how irresponsible withe a bus load of people he should be fired all i got was racist comments. like i've suffered in spain for years
very true. i put a video on you tube of a bus driver in valencia textign whilst driving and instead of comments from spanish like how irresponsible withe a bus load of people he should be fired all i got was racist comments. like i've suffered in spain for years
Good stuff. Your bit on the perils of Landgrab might be better illustrated with shots from further inland. It's the Ley de Costas which takes the coastal homes. Further afield, homeowners (particularly British ones) have to deal with buying a house which then turns out (drum-roll...) to be 'illegal'. Hundreds of thousands of them...
i dont get as well the house prices are still so high with all those empty apartments, i should be getting a 3 bed apartment near the sea for 50,000 Euros or am i just being greedy??
Things are certainly not looking good for Spain. With its recent downgrading it can only get worse. Italy will fall soon. Ireland and the UK also. Many financial bloggers had been predicting the economic collapse for years in advance but the government 'experts' couldn't see it??!! I have a feeling that they knew, and did nothing. Or actually orchistrated it.
The thing that puzzles me is that I hear spanish people in their 20's and 30's (even 40's) saying they can't afford to move out of their parent's home because property is so expensive. But why the high property prices when there's so many empty apartments lying around?
where i lvie there aaare property developers with banners 2 bedroom flats 102.000 and nextdoor estate agents with 2 bed flats 65,000. and the next block finished almost 10 years ago is sitll 75% empty...
How would you know? You were so busy trying to get the audio blocked you would not have had time to watch the whole thing right through. I AM extremely supportive of the down-trodden, decent, ordinary people of Spain. Perhaps when the sound is reinstated people can decide for themselves.
there is no such thing as decent ordinary people of spain.t he spanish are nasty cantankerous racists and they are getting what they deserve. aws trhe video shows the northern europeans who bought the money have gone
@emtdelitos Well there is one very simple reason why people who settled in Spain have gone back to northern europe: the Euro. It is of the utmost importance for the Spanish to find a way to ditch the Euro and go back to a currency over which _they_ themselves have control - NOT the European Central Bank. Go back to some form of Peseta and the turnaround in fortune would be rapid indeed. Unemployment would plummet and prosperity return. The alternative is endless recession...
Seriously, I don't understand your way of talking about Spanish people, because I have realize something about us.
-We are less racist than we think we are, trust me, after been in the "tolerant" nordic countries for a while, and after watching UK Tv I have realize that we are much more friendly and tolerant that most of Europeans.
- If people insult you maybe is because you insulted them, maybe you didn't realize, but for sure you did it.
You also say that there's not such a thing as decent people in Spain... well, I'm Spanish and I'm much more decent than ordinary people from other countries, that just come to our country to get drugs and get drunk, with all the expenses for our health system and the problems of drug dealing due to their addiction.
No talking about people that come because our public hospitals are better than in other places and come here just to have a surgery.
@foxbat101 - Unless you`re so wealthy that it doesn`t matter I`d sell n-o-w & take a big hit on the sale price if necessary to liquidate the capital into cash, I`m pretty sure there`s a Depression underwaY & a crash coming which will wreck the Western World`s finances for a generation, & you might be caught up in the situation if you`re cash strapped of chasing a collapsing market down & seeing the capital evaporate faster than you can believe. It happens very quick when it happens.
West Europa is in trouble, the EU wasn't a great idea, it was a horrible idea. Look at what happened now! everyone's paying the price!
MagicMutilator6000 1 month ago
I'm glad we don't those fines over here!, no wonder they don't have a chance
Doubleringer 1 month ago
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In other words, unemployment is the MOST URGENT problem, but not the most important one. We all know how capitalism works: bonanzas and crisis. Nothing new there. The structure of the Spanish economy and the enormous importance the real estate sector has provokes huge unemployment during financial downturns, but it is not real, for many are working in the black market.
So yes, unemployment must be tackled, but in the long run demographics and national unity are far more decisive.
HerrOttoKranz 2 months ago
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HerrOttoKranz 2 months ago
For all the people who watch the video: We the spanish are usually (99%) good people and we like working and earning money, but our politicians are shit and the situation is apocallyptic. When Europe has a political union we'll be fine, commanded by competent people.We alone finish in civil war (4 in our history)
History of Spain: brave soldiers with stupid generals....the story repeats again.
This video shows PERFECTLY the situation in my loved and bankrupted nation.THANKS The Economywatch
cocotena 2 months ago
@cocotena The situation is the same throughout the EU, the Euro was a BIG mistake and ruined a lot of business, the EU itself needs to be downgraded to a free trade agreement. It's like the old USSR. Another socialist experiment FAILED.
Tralgit 1 month ago
There us no economic crisis, the Catholic Church just wants a one world currency and by creating a fake crisis the pope can try to push his agenda. Then you got devil worshipers like King Juan Carlos who is trying to obtain the Power of Caesar and will evenatualy achive his goal. Then you have Juan Carlos's evil son Prince Felipe who is the Antichrist and will usurp them all.
PrinceFelipe 2 months ago
dump the bloody euro
peppersdog1 2 months ago
One thing Zapatero did that the Democrats in the US don't do. Never Trust a fucking U.S Republican President, thank you Geroge W. Bush!!!!!
skoona08 3 months ago
the background music is annoying. it's louder than the voice of the narrator.
otanix16 3 months ago
Desde que entramos en Europa la aconomía en España siempre fué un dolor de huevos,Europa no,gracias,estábamos mejor antes
Juancolillas 3 months ago
It's their own stupid fault. Fuck 'em, let them go back to picking fruit and riding on donkeys.
truckerfromreno 4 months ago
I used to holiday in spain, when they changed to the euro, things started to get expensive, so I changed my destination, you don't get value for money abroad so I stay at home now, I like spain
kopynd1 4 months ago
If you're serious about wanting to solve Spain's problems, it would pay you to stop blaming others for your own government's mistakes. The English have nothing to do with Spain's downfall, FFS.
TheEconomywatch 4 months ago
@TheEconomywatch
Thank you I understand you make this videos to help us. Situation is horrible. I am a young spanish engineer working in air conditioning installations for all those new house in Spain and I think I'll close my business in a few months. There's no work for my mechanics..... it's not like in 2000-2007.
In Spain situations like this always finish badly.
Now we have a conservative government since november, I hope they can change this or we'll have to look for a work in Germany.
cocotena 2 months ago
@TheEconomywatch
The party is over in Spain.Futbol, bulls and beaches....all except hardworking Now we have to pay the bill. Benidorm or Ibiza won't be the same in several years.....
cocotena 2 months ago
@terminator5killer
I can understand your anger, on the day Moody's downgraded Spain another 2 notches. But why blame the English for all your problems?? The English didn't insist Spain join the Euro. Your government did. What's wrong with crackers and jam? Seems harmless compared to bullfighting. Slavery has been around for thousands of years; long before England existed. It's in the Bible FFS! Yeah, we import food - from Spain! You look like you could use the money these days! Get over it!
TheEconomywatch 4 months ago
GET TO THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!
tomcat624u 5 months ago
WHAT GOES UP!!!!!!! MUST COME DOWN!!!!!
tomcat624u 5 months ago
Spain now has one of the lowest birth rates in Europe 1.1 chilldren per couple. How sad, 40-50 years ago Spain seemed to have a high birth-rate but now it has swung to the opposite end of the spectrum. The West is dying&as the west dies so goes the white European people.
RonSafreed 6 months ago
serves you cunts right, thinking you can compete in the euro zone,, oh piss off will you, ,
redrumAmystikal 7 months ago
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leerees 9 months ago
You expose the disastrous effect EU imposed laws from Brussels have had on European Countries. The example of the 12,000 EUR on the spot fine the bar owners had to pay for something that was entirely not their fault whilst just 20 miles south in Morocco business owners can get away with rape and murder of their employees by bribing the authorities for much less... What your amateur camera shows is the initial steps to the genocide of the European People's and I couldn't thank you enough!
politicaltourist 9 months ago
what makes you qualified to report which countries are in trouble?? Because of your filiming??
bicepsca 9 months ago
@bicepsca It's not me who decides which countries are in trouble! The money markets do that job very nicely by making debt repayment cost more for such countries which have failed to manage their finances properly.
BTW, I'm now back in Spain to make a follow-up where I'll be interviewing northern european people who live in Spain to try to find out from them how we can get Spain back on its feet again. Should be out in around 2 months' time from now with a bit of luck.
TheEconomywatch 9 months ago 3
@TheEconomywatch thankyou for your responce, and I am looking forward to your next video. However I just don't understand how a video of real estate can tell people how a country is doing. Got to detroit and film there and you will see empty towns and no future. But I wish you all the luck. thanks
bicepsca 9 months ago
@TheEconomywatch This is not the end, prices drop and reinvestment begins, a lot of the property in Spain is overpriced anyway if you compare it to salary. However, seaside resorts will always be expensive even without British investors quite simply because it's a privelege to live by the sea so the Spanish will pay a premium. The blame does not sit with the Brits, we did contribute to the price increase but it's not our fault.
leerees 9 months ago
Political tourist, I was being sarcastic. In some parts of London the rent is £4000 a month. The reason we have so many immigrants is the government pay their rent and give them free money. To be honest who is not going to come UK when they are gaurateed a plush town house in the middle of the worlds most thriving capital city, to a 3rd world immigrant this is heaven. Of course years of uncontrolled spending means our welfare system is now out of control and our country overrun with immigrants.
leerees 9 months ago
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leerees 9 months ago
The reason why we continue to allow this is because English people have no idea about the problems in Europe, i.e. gypsies etc. They still believe that if you give an immigrant a house and a free start in the UK, they will reform themselfs and become model citizen just like the English. LOL
leerees 9 months ago
God it almost looks as bad as parts of Liverpool,Leeds,Bristol and Glasgow! Except
the food ,weather and the ladies are much better in Spain.
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@Liebana1000 The cities you mentioned are actually amongst the best in UK (besides London and Brighton). If you want to see really miserable places where the local economy has been devastated I suggest you go to parts of North West England like Nottingham and Blackpool
politicaltourist 9 months ago
@politicaltourist My apologies haven't travelled to the U.K. in nearly fifteen years,but I believe you get my point. And despite some hard times,Madrid,Barcelona,Valencia,Sevilla and most Spanish cities in general have never looked better:new museums,parks,ect. Don't expect to become Naples or Genoa anytime soon. The Partido Popular will win the next general election and right the wrongs of Socialism!
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@Liebana1000 The centres of these cities look wonderful so the elites can stroll around in their tailored suites and rolex watches and pretend everything is great. The only city that is both beautiful and also has an economy to back up its image is Bilbao that has mining, industry, great gastronomy and higher end tourism. Barcelona is dirty, drug ridden and a huge tourist trap. Madrid has a majestic, vibrant and clean centre but walk down a kilometer on Alcala and see the closed shops...
politicaltourist 9 months ago
@politicaltourist I live in Madrid so don't even go there! There are FEW cities in Europe,I would opt to live over
beautiful and dynamic Madrid. Barcelona is the jewel of the Mediterranean and always will be,regardless of the tough times.Bilboa is o.k. for a weekend trip,perhaps? It only has the Guggenheim and sincerely not much else! Mining? Industry?Tourism are no longer or have NEVER been applicable to Spain's Baltimore i.e., Bilbao-I take it you where just joking. Bilbao is ugly!
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@Liebana1000 Madrid is a dynamic metropolis of 4 million Spaniards (half are over the age of 50) and 2 million foreigners. The centre is great but I was refering to the dysmal state, neglect and poverty of much of the suburban area of Madrid. Barcelona is fortunate enough to be on the sea and has a nice old quarter. Otherwise it resembles any North African city on coast only more dirty and overpriced than any North African town. Bilboa and San Sebastian are rich, cultures, clean and sustainable
politicaltourist 9 months ago
@politicaltourist I would strongly advise you to consult:World's Best Cities .globalelitesnet and City Mayors citymayorscom for rankings listing both Madrid and Barcelona in the top 30 cities in the world! Forbes also has Madrid and Barcelona w/very high rankings. You clearly have a Vasco driven agenda,pero no pasa nada! Bilboa and San Sabastain are both third tier cities(sorry). Barcelona(N. African)? What planet are you from? Perhaps Londonistan? Save that crap for Marseilles.
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@politicaltourist Madrid has a metro population of nearly 6 million and 15% are foreign,but 45% of these are E.U. London and Paris both have a much larger % of third world residents(fact)! Both have Europe's 2nd and 3rd largest muslim populations.Large parts of Paris/London resemble sub-sahara Africa(fact)
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@Liebana1000 Kudos to the Spanish that unlike the crazy English the Spanish don't hand out passports to the 2 million third world immigrants that live in Madrid. That doesn't mean they don't exist... In any case I agree that Madrio De Janeiro or Madribogota is still heaps better than Londonistan. I actually like Spain a lot and especially Madrid but I am not blind to what's going on
politicaltourist 9 months ago
@politicaltourist We have 7 years of Socialism to thank for the "open doors policy", many are returning to their
countries of origin(a bad economy does have a silver lining!). Still, objectively, the situation I believe is worst
in London,Amsterdam,Brussels,Milan and Paris where whole districts often lack native Brits or French!
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@Liebana1000 I agree the Socialists were/are a disaster for Spain but the Spanish can only blame themselves. Who else in the world would vote for a man called ZAPATERO?!? Its true the cities you mentioned are worst than Madrid but France and UK have an advantage over Spain - the Brits and French actually have children. The Spanish unfortunately don't which is why your problem is as acyute as that of UK/France
politicaltourist 9 months ago
@politicaltourist Again it is an open secret that Socilaist in Europe,especially Sweden have tried to dismantle
the family and make their populations more dependent on the state(the Swedish Left have admitted this!).A majority of Swedes now,like blacks in America mostly have children w/out both parents in the home. There
are two Spains' and the right rises by the hour! All is not yet lost. We have faced greater hurdles here before
and soon we will begin to clean house.Just wait and see!
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@Liebana1000 I sincerely wish you luck and that it works out for you. The Spanish have much to be proud of and all Europeand owe a HUGE debt to the brave people of Spain and the Royals of Leon and Aragon that stood against the Moorish expansion between 10-15th century and Saint Isabela the Catholic of Castilla that regained all of Iberia and cemented the conquest.
politicaltourist 9 months ago
@politicaltourist Thanks and best to you! As we say in Spain "The only battle that is not won,is the one that is
never fought!" The first battle was won last month -regional/city elections- and 2nd one will come in March 2012
General elections. That said it will take a decade to clean up this mess! I pray it's not too late.
Liebana1000 9 months ago
@politicaltourist Wait children? Literally?
TopAce777 8 months ago
@politicaltourist
You're right. Socialism destroyed Spain in 1996 and did the same the last seven years (2004-2011). Those damned bombs in the trains....................
cocotena 2 months ago
I like this video!!! Now poor little Spaniards will have do do what their Portuguese siblings have done and work as the cleaners/ shoe shiners for rich white European countries.
YDdraigGoch13 11 months ago
@YDdraigGoch13 your a idiot!!!!!!you probably don't have a job.
bicepsca 9 months ago
@YDdraigGoch13 I think you are overly optimistic. The Portugese had a huge empire and lost it so they are more adapt to working hard and recovering from disasters. The Spaniards are still in their fools paradise. They think their good looks and charm is like a spell on the Northern Europeans who will galantly spring to their rescue when it is revealed the Cajas have half a trillion Euros of toxic loans. I don't doubt the Germans would love to save them but they won't afford such a bailout
politicaltourist 9 months ago
Sell it to the Chinese they will buy it up on pennies on the dollar
flagship21 11 months ago
what the hell have you dumb spanish muddafuckers been doing.
Look at sweden, how we handled the crisis in 2008-09 and know we have the best economy in europe!
loki04sw 1 year ago
@loki04sw If Sweden is such a wonderful place, how is it that the SverigeDemokraterna Party had such alarming success in the last Elections? Obviously the people who voted for them aren't exactly happy with their housing & employment situation in Sweden. Otherwise, why would they vote in such a way? Sweden still has a housing crisis. There are tens of thousands of people in Sweden who are on waiting lists hoping for an apartment, only to end up in something as grotty as the ones in Rosengard.
anglosaxons100 10 months ago
Economic and political manipulation of society should be a crime against humanity, due to the fact it throws these man-made constructed systems in chaos which are meant to regulate our lives. This manipulation often ends up destroying the peoples' lives and gives the power of the masses to the selected few.
Quantum205 1 year ago
I'll say this. Nothing further can be done about this economic collapse.You see people? This economy has been built on nothing but hot air. A ponzi scheme can't continue forever.Sooner or later people will realize that money isn't worth the paper printed on.
Soonerg212 1 year ago
The facts are that the English would prefer to live in Spain i.e., retire or vacation then:Liverpool,Birmingham,Manchester,Leeds,Bristol,take your pick! The fun and
the sun will always be in Spain,grey slums in the U.K.!
Liebana1000 1 year ago
Spain is like lots of other countries of the West, broke, over indebted, endless welfare and so poverty for most, on and on. Classic to much govt in action, just like the US.
pismo10 1 year ago
Governments are always the problem, why do we even need them? All their services can be provided by competing businesses (with full liability because government gives businesses limited liability).
l1xx3r 1 year ago
Spain has always been more backwards than its neighbors.
Rolando041 1 year ago
spoain is a thirdworld countrry with a few first world cities from EU money
emtdelitos 1 year ago
That's a sad situation. Even the plants look thirsty .
computerpurple 1 year ago
Part 1. @ TheEconomywatch, I'm writing from Poland, and I would like all of you to know how it's like here. Since we joined The European Union prices has risen by 3 to 5 times (depending on various factors). My friend bought a flat for 2000 PLN (around 440 GBP - current exchange rate) for square meter - that's how they are priced here, not for number of bedrooms as it's in UK. I don't know how it is in Spain. In 2007 or 2008 hes sold it for around 7000 PLN (1550 GBP). TBC
MrJonathanSarkos 1 year ago
2. Average monthly salary is here around 2200 PLN (500 GBP) netto per month - more or less 4 times lower than in UK. I've heard that there's an economical rule which states that price of a square meter should be more or les the same as average monthly salary. Here in Cracow where I'm writing from, it's still 3-5 times higher. These prices are definitely result of conspiracy between banks, developers and...governement. Few years ago they started somethng they called "Family on Their Own". TBC
MrJonathanSarkos 1 year ago
3. It means that if you have family you can take a preferential loan in bank and for first 8 years interest rate is significantly lower than if you take the same credit without "Family On Their Own" program. But...first of all it works only when the price of square metre (sorry for confusing meter with metre before. In Polish this word means "metre") is appropriate, second, after 8 tyears interest rate and installments are significantly higher than if the loan was taken according to...TBC
MrJonathanSarkos 1 year ago
4. ...normal interest rates. Third - all "missing" interest is paid by government from...taxpayers money. They clearly support developers and banks obviously must be involved somehow. During the past 5 years there has been huge brainwashing here with articles in 2006-2008 stating "customers, buy flats now, they won't be cheaper anymore". Of course we are not Spain comparing climate, food, way of life, and popularity among UK, German or Russian buyers, so there's nothing similar here so far.
MrJonathanSarkos 1 year ago
5. Our government states that we are "an green island on the ocean of crisis" and...the public debt is rising dramatically. So we shall see. Thank you for creating this movie. I wish Spaniards and all people from abroad who decided to live in Spain all the best. Andy, Cracow.
MrJonathanSarkos 1 year ago
@MrJonathanSarkos Thanks, Andy. Interesting stuff. In respect of Spain once again, I saw a report on today's Bloomberg news (big financial news site) that the rate of property repossessions in Spain next year will be THREE times higher than it has been each year for the last few years. The banks are being forced to dump all their housing stock on an already saturated market because they were using these assets to over-value their reserves, making their figures look better. Someone call the IMF!
TheEconomywatch 1 year ago
@TheEconomywatch us banks are doing a similar real estate game. lots of assets, nothing on the market trying to bump up prices, but employment is still low and house prices, on the west coast are still high, with slower sales. lots of empty commercial real estate, but not on the same level as europeans-due to use of autos and the last vestiges of perceived dollar value.
MSSC73 1 year ago
@TheEconomywatch The next two years will be worse, if you want to buy something in Spain; wait !! You will get it for 10 cents to the Euro. The raise of Turkey as a holiday maker/buyer has also an important factor.
Tralgit 1 year ago
@Tralgit Yes, I am reliably informed Spanish banks are about to start swamping the market with all the houses and flats they repossessed over the last couple of years. This will accelerate the collapse of the housing market. When it all finally shakes down, though, as you say, there will be some wonderful bargains to be picked up in the land of sunshine. But nevertheless, the Spanish really NEED to get out of the Euro NOW or the country will be mired in severe recession for ever.
TheEconomywatch 1 year ago
the spanish government has started paying the mortgage of unemployed to stop huge numbers of properties being repossed. desperate spanish are moving to other european countries to find work.. 5.000.000 unbemployed 21%. i would urge everyone to not give work to spanish. they are such racists they will not employ english or other europeans in spain.
emtdelitos 1 year ago
@TheEconomywatch "the Spanish really NEED to get out of the Euro NOW or the country will be mired in severe recession for ever"
To get out of the Euro would mean losing a lot of money in the process, I am not sure of it being a good idea.
The real problem of Spain is not unemployment, which is natural here. We hit 25% in 1995 -like the US at the darkest point of the Great Depression- and nothing happened. The real problems are an ageing population and the Basque and Catalan separatists.
HerrOttoKranz 2 months ago
@HerrOttoKranz That's a problem. The old people shouldn't be blamed. Your stupid politicians who promised them fancy pensions should be blamed. In addition strict labor rules another problem, which don't allow young people to have a chance just to enter into the labor market. YOu should be thankful for god for having such mild winters, and saving so much money on energy. If you would live in North Europe you would understand that.
kessass83 3 weeks ago
Looks like what has happened in California.
clarkewi 1 year ago
Yes spain is not a nice country to visit annymore, a shame.
alijabaful 1 year ago
Is this video fake? Surely if it was real you would see all these unsold properties advertised up for rent at least, yet as many will know, it's impossible to rent cheap villa in costa del sol as they are always full up, so it's either 20,000 euros a month for a golden mile palace or a package holiday. If you don't believe me search the property websites.
leerees 1 year ago
@leerees
No, it's for real. I just spoke with a friend of mine in the area a few days ago and there has been no improvement over the summer. None at all.
You have to remember the scenes shown are in the Costa Blanca. The worst hit areas stretch across Valencia, Alicante, Murcia down to Almeria and Andalucia. Inland Spain and Marbella are totally different markets which have been less affected than the coasts of the south east.
TheEconomywatch 1 year ago
@TheEconomywatch Who cares?? Spain's a shithole!
ruzzy09 1 year ago
@leerees 20,000 Euros a month to rent a villa on the costas? Somebody has a sense of humour or else youve been taken to the cleaners! You can BUY studio apartments for a little more than 20,000 Euros not too far from the coast nowadays!
politicaltourist 9 months ago
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leerees 1 year ago
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basically it's the english doing a runner and leaving debts, friends and even the family dog behind. other nationalities remain and continue working here. And continue building a future here.
mepossem 1 year ago
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basically it's the english doing a runner and leaving debts, friends and even the family dog behind. other nationalities remain and continue working here. And continue building a future here.
mepossem 1 year ago
basically it's the english doing a runner and leaving debts, friends and even the family dog behind. other nationalities remain and continue working here. And continue building a future here.
mepossem 1 year ago
let isis($)...it always will
trust Yahweh instead
YAHWEHisperfect 1 year ago
Hopefully these clips will deter British chav immigrants from coming here...We're better off without some of these whinging born losers.
mrypg9 1 year ago
@mrypg9 At least the English can let their hair down and laugh about themselves - something most Southern Europeans are incapable of doing. Five years ago a Greek in Athens got very offended when I remarked that Kolonaki (the "posh" part of Athens) looks and feels like a council estate in London. He said I was very wrong and that everything was so fabulous that soon it will be like Monte Carlo. I leave it to you to judge who was right. A lack of self criticism is the last thing you need
politicaltourist 9 months ago
The fuckin freemasons of the UE have destroyed this fucking country.
micaelo30 1 year ago
S.O.S from Spain. An idiot is going to crash our Whole Country
Torquemadush 1 year ago
I feel so cool, rather feel coolest to see all the mo'ckers developers( interlopers, squelchers) gone bust for good , never to rise again,.. Tweii ! Spit on Ya !,, dirty suckers, politicos, financios, milit-dingos
ExmanBthumZ 1 year ago 5
If what you're saying about the fine is true then this piece of property should just be demolished. However its doesn't surprise me that such laws exist. Spain after all was an empire way before England so it stands to reason they mastered the art of government silliness. Maybe even invented government silliness. Most Latin American countries were Spanish lands, look how well they're doing, lol. Specifically Argentina and Mexico are prime examples of vast waste.
NoGoldenGoose 1 year ago
Bureacrats are closing down business, taxes are going up, ugly developments are being made with no owners- increasing losses meanincreased bureaucrats and increased dysfuntional plans. Not just Spain, but the world is becoming Detroit !
MrTheMercury 1 year ago
Good reportage from the ground in the creditvilles in Spain at the start of the New Depression, but less camera tech gimmicks - like that collapsing picture segment, - it merely distracts away from the point of the film.
kcirdrab 1 year ago
Spain has one if not the highest unemployment levels to develop in Europe. If they lose the World Cup, the high-testosterone of the unemployed younger male society there will have nothing to do but to riot. The loss not so bad for Germany since at least their country still has money and actually produces things.
For their own sake, people living in Spain better pray their team wins the cup.
5milamila 1 year ago 2
Spain is going to collapse. It is just being prolonged and kept on life support.
JesusManson323 1 year ago 3
wow,amazing seeing it like a ghost town,i prayer but it will prob happen,that our economy in canada gets as bad as spain,greece and soon to be italy,ireland and portugal
shakysyxx 1 year ago
South Spain is already becoming the slum of Europe- all self-inflicted by greed and arrogance! It will bite the corrupt politicians also over time as it filters down. Where will the money come from now??? Spain shouldn't have p***** off the foreigners. NO-ONE WITH EVEN HALF A BRAIN CELL WILL INVEST IN SPAIN NOW!
RSTom1 1 year ago 3
very true. i put a video on you tube of a bus driver in valencia textign whilst driving and instead of comments from spanish like how irresponsible withe a bus load of people he should be fired all i got was racist comments. like i've suffered in spain for years
emtdelitos 1 year ago
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very true. i put a video on you tube of a bus driver in valencia textign whilst driving and instead of comments from spanish like how irresponsible withe a bus load of people he should be fired all i got was racist comments. like i've suffered in spain for years
emtdelitos 1 year ago
@DeathNeedsTime I agree 101% on that. Cams on the street show it like it really is.
Puzzoozoo 1 year ago
thanks for posting. I enjoyed all 3 vids.
Living over here in Western Asia, the foreclosure market is hot and the old holiday towns are also emptying.
lextalionis2001 1 year ago
Good stuff. Your bit on the perils of Landgrab might be better illustrated with shots from further inland. It's the Ley de Costas which takes the coastal homes. Further afield, homeowners (particularly British ones) have to deal with buying a house which then turns out (drum-roll...) to be 'illegal'. Hundreds of thousands of them...
Good old President Zippy and his Merrie Men.
ermojaquero 1 year ago
Greece Ireland Portugal .............there are not dying there are dead
Colorblind1975 1 year ago
i dont get as well the house prices are still so high with all those empty apartments, i should be getting a 3 bed apartment near the sea for 50,000 Euros or am i just being greedy??
MotorsportUK2009 1 year ago
@MotorsportUK2009 I think you have to visit the property auctions to pick up a repossession. The property websites are still living in fantasy land.
stevo728822 1 year ago
go into the office of a bank int he area you want to live and they will have loads on their books
emtdelitos 1 year ago
Things are certainly not looking good for Spain. With its recent downgrading it can only get worse. Italy will fall soon. Ireland and the UK also. Many financial bloggers had been predicting the economic collapse for years in advance but the government 'experts' couldn't see it??!! I have a feeling that they knew, and did nothing. Or actually orchistrated it.
CelticReject 1 year ago 2
hey 2 bedroom villas in Mount Lawley Western Australia are sold the day they are put on the market.
Under $500,000. over that well it may take a month or so. The market is on fire in that price range.
For that you get on average 86m2 internal.
1 car bay next to your villa and about 278m2 of exclusive land to use. Less the 86m2 foot print of the villa.
These sold for $48,500.00 in 1987.
foxbat101 1 year ago
@foxbat101I am going to market my villa for $625,000.00 if i get a buyer i think i might let it go.
Any ideas?? Oh the rent on the villa is $350.00 per week.
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foxbat101 1 year ago
The thing that puzzles me is that I hear spanish people in their 20's and 30's (even 40's) saying they can't afford to move out of their parent's home because property is so expensive. But why the high property prices when there's so many empty apartments lying around?
Gary190tube 1 year ago
@Gary190tube Probably because it doesn't cost them any taxes to leave them standing empty.
stevo728822 1 year ago
where i lvie there aaare property developers with banners 2 bedroom flats 102.000 and nextdoor estate agents with 2 bed flats 65,000. and the next block finished almost 10 years ago is sitll 75% empty...
emtdelitos 1 year ago
lose the music please... very interfering with the speech.
chimpanchu 1 year ago 2
You have an exaggerated sense of self importance.You like the attention you've generated?
MY50CC 2 years ago
Easily offended.. bullshit!, this is not constructive or supportive of anybody else than yourself.
miguelsotoseudonimo 2 years ago
@miguelsotoseudonimo ,
How would you know? You were so busy trying to get the audio blocked you would not have had time to watch the whole thing right through. I AM extremely supportive of the down-trodden, decent, ordinary people of Spain. Perhaps when the sound is reinstated people can decide for themselves.
TheEconomywatch 2 years ago
there is no such thing as decent ordinary people of spain.t he spanish are nasty cantankerous racists and they are getting what they deserve. aws trhe video shows the northern europeans who bought the money have gone
emtdelitos 1 year ago
@emtdelitos Well there is one very simple reason why people who settled in Spain have gone back to northern europe: the Euro. It is of the utmost importance for the Spanish to find a way to ditch the Euro and go back to a currency over which _they_ themselves have control - NOT the European Central Bank. Go back to some form of Peseta and the turnaround in fortune would be rapid indeed. Unemployment would plummet and prosperity return. The alternative is endless recession...
TheEconomywatch 1 year ago
@emtdelitos
Seriously, I don't understand your way of talking about Spanish people, because I have realize something about us.
-We are less racist than we think we are, trust me, after been in the "tolerant" nordic countries for a while, and after watching UK Tv I have realize that we are much more friendly and tolerant that most of Europeans.
- If people insult you maybe is because you insulted them, maybe you didn't realize, but for sure you did it.
mckiwen 1 year ago
@emtdelitos
You also say that there's not such a thing as decent people in Spain... well, I'm Spanish and I'm much more decent than ordinary people from other countries, that just come to our country to get drugs and get drunk, with all the expenses for our health system and the problems of drug dealing due to their addiction.
No talking about people that come because our public hospitals are better than in other places and come here just to have a surgery.
I'm not gonna lost time with you
mckiwen 1 year ago
@miguelsotoseudonimoI am going to market my villa for $625,000.00 if i get a buyer i think i might let it go.
Any ideas?? Oh the rent on the villa is $350.00 per week.
P
foxbat101 1 year ago
@foxbat101 - Unless you`re so wealthy that it doesn`t matter I`d sell n-o-w & take a big hit on the sale price if necessary to liquidate the capital into cash, I`m pretty sure there`s a Depression underwaY & a crash coming which will wreck the Western World`s finances for a generation, & you might be caught up in the situation if you`re cash strapped of chasing a collapsing market down & seeing the capital evaporate faster than you can believe. It happens very quick when it happens.
kcirdrab 1 year ago
try reducing it to 65k and you¡ll get a buyer within a year
emtdelitos 1 year ago