@SophyBieber11 When an aircraft loses it's tail it becomes aerodynamically unstable.The jet wake caused by the Tupolev would have already caused the aircraft to shift drastically and then add the fact that you're getting hit by an aircraft weighing over 200,000 pounds it's kind the equivalent of being hit by a big rig.And since the aircraft lost the rudder and subsequently the hydraulics the aircraft went into the spin you see.Now this is just speculation seeing as I've never read the reports.
@SophyBieber11 the tail keeps the plane straight, without the tail... no plane can fly, so it then spins, because it is spinning, it causes the plane to bank..then out of control doing loops, rotations etc
Watching clips like has mare me give up wanting to be an Air traffic controller. :L if this happened to me I wouldn't be able to live with myself, even if it was not my fault.
this is NOT made up, douche-bag! If you watch the show it says at the beginning of every episode: "This is a true story. It is based on special reports and eye whitness accounts", or maybe you'd like to tell the families and friends of hundreds of people who were killed in this disaster that it was all a fairy tale?
@blueb0g actually if you would wont to blame someone you would blame the russian pilots it wasnt the computter that made the wrong choice it was the russian pilots they obeyed ATC instead of TCAS thats why you always obey TCAS you obey the ATC this is what will happend to u
@scream18ify But you shouldn't really blame anyone in this situation. Remember a couple of things about the Russian pilots; 1) They had been trained to trust people over computers, and 2), Russians generally trust technology much less than the west.
@scream18ify I don't mean to step on any feet but that's not completely true.I have friends who fly pipers and and cessnas without TCAS and ATC handles them just fine.Also i flew in and out of Moscow a couple of time when i was on the 767 and must say that when i was there the russian pilots seemed to engulfed with there new technology
@johnairlines8 Because the 757 was a) a HELL of a lot higher (around FL360), b) Lighter, and c) was not making any violent yawing manouvers when its tail came off.
this is was one of the most gruesome and bloodiest ACI eps I have ever seen, the fact that they would CONSIDER showing mutilated bodies of dead children is beyond me.
Yeah but speaking as a good navigator: you say 'could' ,bnot would. Any alteration should not result in another collision situation by law, correct. However you deal with one problem at a time. That's the reality! I suppose it's called evasive action when it's all gone wrong as it did here. No TCAS takes command or priority. That's like saying the toilet seat takes priority in a bad case of the bottom burps. The Capt is ALWAYS in command. TCAS is only an aid to navigation. It is not a pilot.
I meant cameras for any accident, for evidence. Not for the pilot to see. So if a plane does crash they might be able to see what happened. Oh yeh and nice idea to u to mate.
Both should have altered course when in doubt, not just height. Commercial pressure and paper pushing figure jockeys who want power-point success are to blame. apu
@Truimphful Altering course could have been just as bad, because it could bring you into conflict with a different aircraft out there. If both planes had listened to TCAS (as they were supposed to do, no matter what ATC was saying as TCAS takes priority [though in the defense of the Russian pilots, their manuals were contradictory on this fact]), then the collision would have been averted.
Peter nielson, the atc controller, was later stabbed to death in his front garden of his home. By a man who's wife and 2 children were killed in the crash. The murderer was called a hero by some people. Poor people in the plane and poor atc controller.
@TripleDDDVideos Worst than that.. he was arrested and he lied (he says he doesnt renember anything... right) he was just a couple of years and was released by popular demand and allegations of insanity.. and then he was received in his hometown as a hero and was give a public transport ministery position..if somebody is crazy like he claims and forgets whole days you dont give him such important job just so...
Now i wonder why wont one of Nielsen's sons go and stab him...
@TripleDDDVideos Cameras for what? To recognize a plane in collision course? At a speed of 800km/h (+800km/h) and at night? In this moment, realizing that the other plane is definately in collision course, its too late. Its like: PLANE....OHHH....BOOM. But every idea, to make flying more safely, needs to be respected. So, nice idea. In my opinion, in this moment TCAS alerts you...landing lights should be automatically turned on, for (maybe) earlier recognition at starry nights. How is that idea?
@pingu121094 No offense? You racist douche bag. You can't insult an entire race then say "no offense." God people like you are why we have so much hate in this world.
@pingu121094 Well then you should choose your words better, because your statement was a contradiction. "No offense, but Russians are terrible pilots." Thats like saying "all black people are criminals, all asians are terrible drivers, all Irish are drunks." Eh doesn't matter anyway, you probably embarrass yourself on a a regular basis.
@pingu121094 Really you think so? Well I am not the one saying racist comments on youtube dipshit. Reply all you want, but everyone who reads this can see you are a douche. Have a nice day.
@pingu121094 Wow dude, you are a racist douche bag. I have to agree with kats63139 on that one. You can't say that about a whole race of people, not cool. Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word racist, because I don't think you know what it means. Not cool dude, not cool.
@padmarajanthegreat What made you think he was satisfied with guiding 2 planes into each other? It was an accident. He had two scores of radar to look over and had to constantly change back and forth. Blame the airport for overworking Peter and the pilots for not reporting the TCAS instruction. He did as much as he could, but he didn't know that the planes would crash. It's no suprise a dog just like you killed that poor man after the crash.
@padmarajanthegreat Exactly. We are strong, but not a bunch of dirty beasts that seek the innocent to blame. You're willing to kill people over an accident. You're exactly an imperialist dog. I'm surprised that you're not creative enough to make up an argument. Have any other barbaric comments?
anybody pls tell me what does it mean about descend..if atc advice to descend what the pilot have to do., i was in saudi airlines but not a pilot i was software operator in hangar b777/b747
I watched the full episode of this on youtube and found out that partof the reason why they crashed is because maintenance was taking place which left the ATC radar to run more slowly and the other air traffic controller, (yes there was another one,) went on a break leaving this one controlling 2 stations at once. (which isn't a good idea because maintenance is taking place.) That tells us that almost no air crash has one problem alone that causes the crash, a series of errors has to take place.
Damn. I feel sorry for the controller, He had soo much pressure controlling 2 post at one time. R.I.P. to all the lost souls including the controller who was later murdered.
At least SkyGuide allowed the score to be settled after this, and thus did all they could do. They knew the ATC was likely to be killed by a Russian but instead of advising him of the threat (as he clearly wasn't' smart enough to suspect it himself) they did nothing, tacitly facilitating his demise. This is not stupidity from SkyGuide - this is willingness to make an exchange with the Russians for what happened. They did what they could, against their own values, for the victims' avengers.
What about the ATC in germany that saw the collision coming and the Aviation rules did not allow him to interfere in what's happening in a different airspace and he had the opportunity to communicate with the two planes to avoid the collision? The fault is not from the technician,pilots of both plane and partly nielsen, but its the Aviation rules that is at fault..
@Megaunit1 Biggest fail was the ATC company that did maintenance and switched off everything when there wass too small number of controllers, they are who to blame, not controller.
The rule on following TCAS are iron-bound and non-negotiable. You ALWAYS follow TCAS instructions and ignore controllers instructions.
This rule was written AFTER the this collision to make sure the incident could never happen again - it cannot be the fault of the russian pilots to fail to follow an instruction only created after their deaths.
TCAS was invented to prevent collisions outside of traffic control areas, no rule existed for pilots recieving contridictory instructions.
@MyVideoHubOnDell The fault doesn't come from the Tupolev crew or the DHL crew. The year this collision happened, there was no special rules, in the aviation, about what to obey in priority (ATC or TCAS). I think the fault comes from the swiss technicians who did the maintenance operation on Zurich radar the night when this collision happened. During the operation they disengaged the radar system, which warns the controller of any collision risk, without tell it to the controller Peter Nielsen.
@TheRaptor3945 Well, it was their duty to carry out maintenance. And even with the malfunctioning radar screens, this could have been avioded. If you have a TCAS instruction, you should most definitely follow it.
@MyVideoHubOnDell You were not in the Tupolev cockpit with the russian crew, so you don't know what was in their mind when they receive both TCAS warning and controller instruction to descent. You might not have done better than them.. Besides when you have to take care of 2 radar screens which are malfunctioning, it's very difficult to control all planes. It's the technicians who did a professionnal mistake without telling peter nielsen that the safety radar system will be disengaged.
@TheRaptor3945 Well, yes, you're actually right. And besides, the Russian pilots weren't trained for a situation where there is an ATC and TCAS instruction both telling them to change altitude at the same time.
The DHL probably lost its hydraulics after loosing the tail. The hydraulic pipes are in the tail section so the pilots can't control the plane and the engine goes loose because the plane is overspeed. Its a terrible crash pore people on board bles all their souls.
The pilots rely on the assistance and help of the controllers although TCAS has to be followed first. If the systems in front of the controller are not trustable due to maintenance work what the hell is is air traffic controll for? Skyguide is crazy to switch off all systems and even all phons without telling anybody. Neither their own nor the foreign controllers had any chance to communicate to each other in an emergency!
@FLT111 Planes have their limits, it was falling hard and overspeed, so G forces were just too high to plane stand them. Thats why planes have limited speed altough they can go faster.
@FLT111 Basically, Because the DHL lost its tail, it kept going side to side, and the engine broke off the DHL because of the speed and it going side 2 side.
If you havent noticed for this episode both the TU 154 main panel and the 757 panel are the same. the only thing thats different is the back they just changed the back to make it either 757 or TU 154
@B757addict actully if you look properly none of the intruments in the cockpit are real there just image stuck on a mock up panel as apposed to the other panels ive seen on ACI;.
@powerwatcher2 An engine sheared off on impact of an overspeed descent, which made the plane extremely damaged. Also, after the collision, the 757 turned to the left and right and back again which is another cause of damage to the engine.
I can't believe how realistic some of this shit is (and graphic). Pilots cursing, and actually animating people being ejected from the split-open plane. I really hope thos victims passed out before they realized anyhting - a freefall death from 30,000 feet in total darkness is a pretty bad way to go.
What gets to me is that ATC only talked with one ot the air-crews; and said them to decend, and said nothing to the other air-crew to ascend. And I have to agree that a trained pilot would listen to TCAS over a controller, though again, depends on air-crew, pilot, etc.. Still.....when I seen the collision in this....I have no words for the sinking feeling in my heart and stomach to describe it. Have to agree that it is NOT the way to go. And yes, I agree on the realism and all of this also.
I can't believe that happened like the russian plane caught fire exactly where people were and the other plane hit them first!! I travel all the time so I hope this never happens during my next vacation:+[
Wow,this is so sad.You can only imagine the horror that those kids have went trough..some may have been thrown out of the plane and seeing that they are falling to the ground and are going to die..I wish this doesn't happen to anyone!!
@sarkizmutafyan The recovery of victims from this type of accident usually show a type of "flailing" injury that results from being ejected into the air at 500 mph. Blood flow to the brain is interrupted by G forces if the victim spins, arms and legs extended. Sometimes the clothing is ripped off in the slipstream. Also there isn't much O2 at that height. The result would be an almost instantaneous blackout.
The only small mercy is that at those altitudes you would probably lose consciousness quickly and so wouldn't actually see yourself falling toward the ground.
Yes this is an actual collision . Did you hear that the fate of traffic controller is far from over ? a few days later he was stabbed to death by a man who lost his wife in that collision .
Tragic. The Russian plane was filled with children, some were Russian mafia kids. Apparently, the mob didn't like this Air Traffic Controller who screwed up and went to his house and killed him! True story.
yes the problem was TCAS does not have voice pitch change the controller can sound more convincing then TCAS there for they went to follow the controller.
And the controller should not have instructed a flightlevel change, TCAS on both aircraft instruct opposite demands which both the crew and controller should have been aware of.
Fortunately where there's a fatality there's a change, what makes flying safer today is the tragedies that have occured previously.
One of the main issues here was the conflicting orders between the TCAS and ATC. Regulations states that if the ATC and TCAS give order simultaneously, the aircraft should follow TCAS orders, as the TCAS is the primary consideration as the TCAS system handles all traffic within the airspace and provides the alternate instruction to the other aircraft (DHL TCAS: Descend, Tupolev TCAS: Ascend).
This was the last opportunity that they had to save the situation.
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krakenwave 3 weeks ago
To think that this really happended is fucked up.. those poor passengers :(
wk2k11 1 month ago
@ipodismypod
no matter what happen,they must listen to TCAS
ashkrk3 2 months ago
I say it the Russians fault because they didn't listen to Tcas.
abdulrahimify 3 months ago
100% Controllers fault.
thisischavez 4 months ago
damn you Peter Nielson!
TheBloodshower 4 months ago
I dont get how the plane fell when it only had its tale ripped off :S
SophyBieber11 5 months ago
@SophyBieber11 When an aircraft loses it's tail it becomes aerodynamically unstable.The jet wake caused by the Tupolev would have already caused the aircraft to shift drastically and then add the fact that you're getting hit by an aircraft weighing over 200,000 pounds it's kind the equivalent of being hit by a big rig.And since the aircraft lost the rudder and subsequently the hydraulics the aircraft went into the spin you see.Now this is just speculation seeing as I've never read the reports.
AmericanPilot407 4 months ago
@AmericanPilot407 Ahhh
SophyBieber11 4 months ago
@SophyBieber11 the tail keeps the plane straight, without the tail... no plane can fly, so it then spins, because it is spinning, it causes the plane to bank..then out of control doing loops, rotations etc
JustAnOrdinarySimmer 2 months ago
@JustAnOrdinarySimmer Ahh thankyou...and they say you learn something new everyday
SophyBieber11 2 months ago
Damn......!!
shrestha841 5 months ago
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shrestha841 5 months ago
If you look closely at 4:49-4:50 you could see a person flying out of the Russian airplane.
123cdecde 5 months ago
I'm curious to why the russian's didn't ask the controller or even tell him that the tcas is telling them to climb?
zombieholic 5 months ago
@zombieholic
They did (at least they tried to), the was talking to another plane at that time.
Only one controller operating two consoles, serving several planes.
Cost cutting, under-staffing, maintenance work, confusion over procedures, all at the same time.
Just watch the full episode.
Abanamat85 1 month ago
Thumbs up if you saw this on the FailBlog video =D
LittleRicky63 5 months ago
My Mom Orders a New Oven for the New Kitchen... It never came :'(
pmrmitzi 6 months ago
TCAS=Traffic Collision Avoidance System NOT TICAS!
TCAS sounds a warning=Obey TCAS AND inform Air Controler that u have a warning from tcas
ps RIP Peter Nielsen and all the other on the two planes
SadZero 6 months ago
Apparently the air traffic controller was murdered 2 years later.
TheFirstClassedFreak 6 months ago
4:26 f*ck descend hard!!!
binnieb20 6 months ago
R.I.P. to all the persons onboard.
nuttenglotzer007 7 months ago
thire dede
cjpepper60 7 months ago
@ilovechocolateRKO1 because it's a plane from Bashkirian Airlines and they don't have alot airplanes maybe that's why?
ParaTurk070 7 months ago
@999AWC it's TCAS and you're right.
ParaTurk070 7 months ago
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ParaTurk070 7 months ago
Russians are soooo complicated! The computer is smarter than the human brain! Follow the TICAS!
999AWC 8 months ago
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Kookas 7 months ago
@999AWC pilots did not obey TICAS before when the ATC told them what to do. and there was no problem. so they thot it was ok
mattstorm360 7 months ago
the answer is TU 154 mistake,,
7777minn 8 months ago
the package was never delivered R.I.P
phillyvodka666 8 months ago 5
"fuck descend hard " :D
Minkki82 9 months ago
Watching clips like has mare me give up wanting to be an Air traffic controller. :L if this happened to me I wouldn't be able to live with myself, even if it was not my fault.
legomanic342 9 months ago
Man how did the cameramen survive?!???!
spankingthemonkey101 9 months ago 21
@spankingthemonkey101 It a REINACTMENT. Dummy
taylorover9000 6 months ago
@spankingthemonkey101 lawl no its all made those arnt acturly the vidios its all made there only a fue real vidio scenes.
kallo70 6 months ago
@spankingthemonkey101 obviously this isnt the real thing, its a lot of actors acting it out based on the real thing
SophyBieber11 6 months ago
@spankingthemonkey101 its an anomation
JJS090 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@spankingthemonkey101 its an anamation
JJS090 5 months ago
@spankingthemonkey101 It's reconstructed. By use of the Black Box,(Cockpit Voice Recorder)
MrMaxxer25 1 month ago
@spankingthemonkey101 must have jumped
tareg7ify 1 month ago
@spankingthemonkey101 asshole...
DeTVDraaitDoor 1 week ago
this is NOT made up, douche-bag! If you watch the show it says at the beginning of every episode: "This is a true story. It is based on special reports and eye whitness accounts", or maybe you'd like to tell the families and friends of hundreds of people who were killed in this disaster that it was all a fairy tale?
antidisastablish333 9 months ago
@dachewth so you can have fun and sky dive....lol
littlebritan 10 months ago
This is the greusome one later on in episode the air traffic controller gets STABBED
O_O
Tim9658 10 months ago
Wow. Very interesting, very shocking.
ParisAvenue2005 11 months ago
where is actual footage??
poleeed 11 months ago
thats what happens when you trust people to much. people make mistakes computeres dont
ARCHERKESTREL1 11 months ago
@ARCHERKESTREL1 Computers make mistakes too.
blueb0g 10 months ago
@blueb0g actually if you would wont to blame someone you would blame the russian pilots it wasnt the computter that made the wrong choice it was the russian pilots they obeyed ATC instead of TCAS thats why you always obey TCAS you obey the ATC this is what will happend to u
scream18ify 9 months ago
@scream18ify But you shouldn't really blame anyone in this situation. Remember a couple of things about the Russian pilots; 1) They had been trained to trust people over computers, and 2), Russians generally trust technology much less than the west.
blueb0g 9 months ago
@blueb0g The documentary states 1. very clearly (why they obeyed Nielsen over the ATC). I can imagine that Russians believe in 2.
VicenteMosin 8 months ago
@scream18ify I don't mean to step on any feet but that's not completely true.I have friends who fly pipers and and cessnas without TCAS and ATC handles them just fine.Also i flew in and out of Moscow a couple of time when i was on the 767 and must say that when i was there the russian pilots seemed to engulfed with there new technology
AmericanPilot407 9 months ago
@blueb0g Computers?? Whats does computers making mistakes have to do with this?
Kambanicity 9 months ago
@Kambanicity Read the comment that I was replying to.
blueb0g 9 months ago
did the pilot for the tupalev die? he only said that he passed out
littlebritan 11 months ago
@littlebritan they all died, the russian pilots loss concinous and died cause the cockpit was ripped from the rest of the plane
FLT111 10 months ago
Lesson: Obey the computer, it makes less mistakes than humans.
elvigia666 11 months ago
It's a wonder how the 757 kept flying for 4 more miles, the plane crash in Queens lost it's tail and crashed immediatly
johnairlines8 1 year ago
@johnairlines8 Because the 757 was a) a HELL of a lot higher (around FL360), b) Lighter, and c) was not making any violent yawing manouvers when its tail came off.
blueb0g 10 months ago
this is was one of the most gruesome and bloodiest ACI eps I have ever seen, the fact that they would CONSIDER showing mutilated bodies of dead children is beyond me.
fraroc 1 year ago
fuckin this Air Traffic Controller !!!!!!
grandfinish 1 year ago 2
@kirbyflys Agreed, i think the blame should go on Skyguide, for poor maintinence
And Aeroflot(Who owned the Airline) for poor training
GWRtom 1 year ago
Yeah but speaking as a good navigator: you say 'could' ,bnot would. Any alteration should not result in another collision situation by law, correct. However you deal with one problem at a time. That's the reality! I suppose it's called evasive action when it's all gone wrong as it did here. No TCAS takes command or priority. That's like saying the toilet seat takes priority in a bad case of the bottom burps. The Capt is ALWAYS in command. TCAS is only an aid to navigation. It is not a pilot.
Truimphful 1 year ago
Btw any programer here who projected that TCAS system? i have a question to him about the alghorithm.
lynxxxxie 1 year ago
@jaspsoftware
TCAS in its (at least) 1st version was bugged.
lynxxxxie 1 year ago
jesus the sky is so big!! how could this possibly happen
Haftinator 1 year ago
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What are the odds?
3ISAMAGICNUMBR 1 year ago
@lesperancager
I meant cameras for any accident, for evidence. Not for the pilot to see. So if a plane does crash they might be able to see what happened. Oh yeh and nice idea to u to mate.
TripleDDDVideos 1 year ago
Both should have altered course when in doubt, not just height. Commercial pressure and paper pushing figure jockeys who want power-point success are to blame. apu
Truimphful 1 year ago
@Truimphful Altering course could have been just as bad, because it could bring you into conflict with a different aircraft out there. If both planes had listened to TCAS (as they were supposed to do, no matter what ATC was saying as TCAS takes priority [though in the defense of the Russian pilots, their manuals were contradictory on this fact]), then the collision would have been averted.
eqfan592 1 year ago
At the end of the day if oth pilots had listened to TCAS then it would of been avoided, period.
abl1703 1 year ago
Peter nielson, the atc controller, was later stabbed to death in his front garden of his home. By a man who's wife and 2 children were killed in the crash. The murderer was called a hero by some people. Poor people in the plane and poor atc controller.
TripleDDDVideos 1 year ago
@TripleDDDVideos Worst than that.. he was arrested and he lied (he says he doesnt renember anything... right) he was just a couple of years and was released by popular demand and allegations of insanity.. and then he was received in his hometown as a hero and was give a public transport ministery position..if somebody is crazy like he claims and forgets whole days you dont give him such important job just so...
Now i wonder why wont one of Nielsen's sons go and stab him...
sparrowlt 1 week ago
They should put cameras in the planes in protected boxes. Just saying, it's an idea.
TripleDDDVideos 1 year ago
@TripleDDDVideos Cameras for what? To recognize a plane in collision course? At a speed of 800km/h (+800km/h) and at night? In this moment, realizing that the other plane is definately in collision course, its too late. Its like: PLANE....OHHH....BOOM. But every idea, to make flying more safely, needs to be respected. So, nice idea. In my opinion, in this moment TCAS alerts you...landing lights should be automatically turned on, for (maybe) earlier recognition at starry nights. How is that idea?
lesperancager 1 year ago
i seriously hope those people were killed on immediate impact, so they didnt endure the horrors of that decent
spelly08 1 year ago
Worst nightmare of any air traveler.
jackrumorz 1 year ago
Russians are not very good pilots, No offense.
pingu121094 1 year ago
@pingu121094 No offense? You racist douche bag. You can't insult an entire race then say "no offense." God people like you are why we have so much hate in this world.
kats63139 1 year ago
@kats63139 I am nor racist... I have russian friends you bastard
pingu121094 1 year ago
@pingu121094 Well then you should choose your words better, because your statement was a contradiction. "No offense, but Russians are terrible pilots." Thats like saying "all black people are criminals, all asians are terrible drivers, all Irish are drunks." Eh doesn't matter anyway, you probably embarrass yourself on a a regular basis.
kats63139 1 year ago
@kats63139 I am sure it you who embarrass yourself on a daily basis
pingu121094 1 year ago
@pingu121094 Really you think so? Well I am not the one saying racist comments on youtube dipshit. Reply all you want, but everyone who reads this can see you are a douche. Have a nice day.
kats63139 1 year ago
@pingu121094 Wow dude, you are a racist douche bag. I have to agree with kats63139 on that one. You can't say that about a whole race of people, not cool. Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word racist, because I don't think you know what it means. Not cool dude, not cool.
snooperspecial2 1 year ago
@pingu121094
You're not the brightest type, no offense.
firsak 1 year ago
holyshit i aint gnna step in that son of a bitch airplane anymore
SoNiX994 1 year ago
ATC took sooo soo delay to give the mssg on time and on time.....suck ATC
padmarajanthegreat 1 year ago
i will say it is absolutly mistake of ATC guy..they are just seeing it as silly mater.
1). Why the first guy in ATC left the office.
2). even the peter has seen the situation and he is just siting there as donkey..
3). he is playing with innocent people, he geting good salary from airline, and he cant do his own job prprly shame on ATC. must be cheefull..
padmarajanthegreat 1 year ago
@padmarajanthegreat What made you think he was satisfied with guiding 2 planes into each other? It was an accident. He had two scores of radar to look over and had to constantly change back and forth. Blame the airport for overworking Peter and the pilots for not reporting the TCAS instruction. He did as much as he could, but he didn't know that the planes would crash. It's no suprise a dog just like you killed that poor man after the crash.
Hikarilover123 1 year ago
@Hikarilover123 as ucall dog, u have shown ur culture...thanks dear
padmarajanthegreat 1 year ago
@padmarajanthegreat Exactly. We are strong, but not a bunch of dirty beasts that seek the innocent to blame. You're willing to kill people over an accident. You're exactly an imperialist dog. I'm surprised that you're not creative enough to make up an argument. Have any other barbaric comments?
Hikarilover123 1 year ago
anybody pls tell me what does it mean about descend..if atc advice to descend what the pilot have to do., i was in saudi airlines but not a pilot i was software operator in hangar b777/b747
padmarajanthegreat 1 year ago
@padmarajanthegreat Go down.
mylife1221 1 year ago
I watched the full episode of this on youtube and found out that partof the reason why they crashed is because maintenance was taking place which left the ATC radar to run more slowly and the other air traffic controller, (yes there was another one,) went on a break leaving this one controlling 2 stations at once. (which isn't a good idea because maintenance is taking place.) That tells us that almost no air crash has one problem alone that causes the crash, a series of errors has to take place.
SuperSparky10297 1 year ago
Damn. I feel sorry for the controller, He had soo much pressure controlling 2 post at one time. R.I.P. to all the lost souls including the controller who was later murdered.
FLIGHTCOMPANY 1 year ago
At least SkyGuide allowed the score to be settled after this, and thus did all they could do. They knew the ATC was likely to be killed by a Russian but instead of advising him of the threat (as he clearly wasn't' smart enough to suspect it himself) they did nothing, tacitly facilitating his demise. This is not stupidity from SkyGuide - this is willingness to make an exchange with the Russians for what happened. They did what they could, against their own values, for the victims' avengers.
avidalocan 1 year ago
all pilots " must " do what the plain radar ask to do , up or down , not to follow the human instruction in this moments ..
WataniQW 1 year ago
Heh. I guess you can pretned that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars.
TakeABullet4Avril 1 year ago
This is not the actual collision! Do you think there are cameras in the air?
penuswilliams1980 1 year ago
@penuswilliams1980 how old are you? THIS IS MADE UP!!
littlebritan 10 months ago
@littlebritan This isnt made up actually!!!!!
ILewisGaming 9 months ago
@littlebritan if you have ever watched air crash investigation they are all true stories reenacted on programs and with actors! so it is real!
ILewisGaming 9 months ago
@ILewisGaming ... i didint mean the story, i ment the clip
littlebritan 9 months ago
@littlebritan
No it's called a reconstruction of a real accident. All episodes of "Mayday - Air Crash Investigation" are happened for real but reconstructed.
MrPenuswilliams1980 9 months ago
@MrPenuswilliams1980 .....no shit sherlock, u said that this is not the actual collision, andi basically said No shit sherlock
littlebritan 9 months ago
The actors are so damn good and convincing
wiisports505 1 year ago
What about the ATC in germany that saw the collision coming and the Aviation rules did not allow him to interfere in what's happening in a different airspace and he had the opportunity to communicate with the two planes to avoid the collision? The fault is not from the technician,pilots of both plane and partly nielsen, but its the Aviation rules that is at fault..
Megaunit1 1 year ago
@Megaunit1 Biggest fail was the ATC company that did maintenance and switched off everything when there wass too small number of controllers, they are who to blame, not controller.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
The rule on following TCAS are iron-bound and non-negotiable. You ALWAYS follow TCAS instructions and ignore controllers instructions.
This rule was written AFTER the this collision to make sure the incident could never happen again - it cannot be the fault of the russian pilots to fail to follow an instruction only created after their deaths.
TCAS was invented to prevent collisions outside of traffic control areas, no rule existed for pilots recieving contridictory instructions.
Interscene 1 year ago
I think it's the Russians' fault, they didn't obey TCAS.
MyVideoHubOnDell 1 year ago
@MyVideoHubOnDell should of obeyed tcas
mjlover300 1 year ago
@MyVideoHubOnDell Exactly.
MyVideoHubOnDell 1 year ago
@MyVideoHubOnDell The fault doesn't come from the Tupolev crew or the DHL crew. The year this collision happened, there was no special rules, in the aviation, about what to obey in priority (ATC or TCAS). I think the fault comes from the swiss technicians who did the maintenance operation on Zurich radar the night when this collision happened. During the operation they disengaged the radar system, which warns the controller of any collision risk, without tell it to the controller Peter Nielsen.
TheRaptor3945 1 year ago
@TheRaptor3945 Well, it was their duty to carry out maintenance. And even with the malfunctioning radar screens, this could have been avioded. If you have a TCAS instruction, you should most definitely follow it.
MyVideoHubOnDell 1 year ago
@MyVideoHubOnDell You were not in the Tupolev cockpit with the russian crew, so you don't know what was in their mind when they receive both TCAS warning and controller instruction to descent. You might not have done better than them.. Besides when you have to take care of 2 radar screens which are malfunctioning, it's very difficult to control all planes. It's the technicians who did a professionnal mistake without telling peter nielsen that the safety radar system will be disengaged.
TheRaptor3945 1 year ago
@TheRaptor3945 Well, yes, you're actually right. And besides, the Russian pilots weren't trained for a situation where there is an ATC and TCAS instruction both telling them to change altitude at the same time.
MyVideoHubOnDell 1 year ago
@MyVideoHubOnDell
It is interesting. So what should pilot doing in case of opposition commands from ATC/TCAS in terms of 2002 year?
lynxxxxie 1 year ago
@lynxxxxie what about contacting the other plane telling them they got TCAS telling them to dive, so the russians know they should climb.
bjerr1ng 1 year ago
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DatMexicano57 1 year ago
The DHL probably lost its hydraulics after loosing the tail. The hydraulic pipes are in the tail section so the pilots can't control the plane and the engine goes loose because the plane is overspeed. Its a terrible crash pore people on board bles all their souls.
nial12345 1 year ago
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The pilots rely on the assistance and help of the controllers although TCAS has to be followed first. If the systems in front of the controller are not trustable due to maintenance work what the hell is is air traffic controll for? Skyguide is crazy to switch off all systems and even all phons without telling anybody. Neither their own nor the foreign controllers had any chance to communicate to each other in an emergency!
matthiashaenni 1 year ago
I dont understand why the engine came off the DHL?
FLT111 1 year ago
@FLT111 it was way way way overspeed!
mjlover300 1 year ago
@FLT111 Planes have their limits, it was falling hard and overspeed, so G forces were just too high to plane stand them. Thats why planes have limited speed altough they can go faster.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@FLT111 Basically, Because the DHL lost its tail, it kept going side to side, and the engine broke off the DHL because of the speed and it going side 2 side.
littlebritan 10 months ago
If you havent noticed for this episode both the TU 154 main panel and the 757 panel are the same. the only thing thats different is the back they just changed the back to make it either 757 or TU 154
FLT111 1 year ago
If you look closely at the TCAS, neither plane is descending. :))
B757addict 1 year ago
@B757addict actully if you look properly none of the intruments in the cockpit are real there just image stuck on a mock up panel as apposed to the other panels ive seen on ACI;.
FLT111 1 year ago
why couldnt the DHL continue flying? does the loss of the tail instantly doom the plane?
powerwatcher2 1 year ago
@powerwatcher2
SImple as this, you don't have a tail. you are pretty much screwed...
PsychoPEN15 1 year ago
@powerwatcher2 duh
Ronaldoo91 1 year ago
@powerwatcher2 An engine sheared off on impact of an overspeed descent, which made the plane extremely damaged. Also, after the collision, the 757 turned to the left and right and back again which is another cause of damage to the engine.
mylife1221 1 year ago
@mylife1221 thanks for the info
powerwatcher2 1 year ago
always follow the TCAS and then tell the ATC about the situation
funny how the Russian said "the fucking traffic" in his accent
and how the narrator says "tupolev"
samnoueilaty 1 year ago
Stupid atc
FsVids12 1 year ago
when was this?
cuteness13 2 years ago
@cuteness13 1st of July 2002.
mylife1221 1 year ago
can anybody tell me how big the sky is?
azl65 2 years ago
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3300feet 2 years ago
sad
3300feet 2 years ago 6
poor people
mortallife1 2 years ago 5
I can't believe how realistic some of this shit is (and graphic). Pilots cursing, and actually animating people being ejected from the split-open plane. I really hope thos victims passed out before they realized anyhting - a freefall death from 30,000 feet in total darkness is a pretty bad way to go.
nickysslt1 2 years ago 2
What gets to me is that ATC only talked with one ot the air-crews; and said them to decend, and said nothing to the other air-crew to ascend. And I have to agree that a trained pilot would listen to TCAS over a controller, though again, depends on air-crew, pilot, etc.. Still.....when I seen the collision in this....I have no words for the sinking feeling in my heart and stomach to describe it. Have to agree that it is NOT the way to go. And yes, I agree on the realism and all of this also.
Hawk3766 2 years ago
I can't believe that happened like the russian plane caught fire exactly where people were and the other plane hit them first!! I travel all the time so I hope this never happens during my next vacation:+[
Jenellegirl3 2 years ago 3
Wow,this is so sad.You can only imagine the horror that those kids have went trough..some may have been thrown out of the plane and seeing that they are falling to the ground and are going to die..I wish this doesn't happen to anyone!!
sarkizmutafyan 2 years ago 20
@sarkizmutafyan it is sad but the decompression at that altitude would knock you out so more or less unfelt
ricky45556 1 year ago
@sarkizmutafyan The recovery of victims from this type of accident usually show a type of "flailing" injury that results from being ejected into the air at 500 mph. Blood flow to the brain is interrupted by G forces if the victim spins, arms and legs extended. Sometimes the clothing is ripped off in the slipstream. Also there isn't much O2 at that height. The result would be an almost instantaneous blackout.
arf153 1 year ago
@sarkizmutafyan
The only small mercy is that at those altitudes you would probably lose consciousness quickly and so wouldn't actually see yourself falling toward the ground.
theporksicle 11 months ago
@sarkizmutafyan they probably unconscious when they were thrown away
MrMulday 10 months ago
Хорошо, что эту мразь зарезал настоящий мужчина.
vasy552 2 years ago
@vasy552 Действительно? Почему? Вы на стороне Виталия Калоева's?
mylife1221 1 year ago
Yes this is an actual collision . Did you hear that the fate of traffic controller is far from over ? a few days later he was stabbed to death by a man who lost his wife in that collision .
sbijan666 2 years ago
yeah, the man didn't loose only his wife but his two kids
psfonseka 2 years ago
This is not the actually collision.
privatealeks 2 years ago
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ToonTownMadness 2 years ago
shocking
Randomthingz1 2 years ago
5:23 - 5:24 :( and 4:51 - 4:57 :(
ShadowEmperor321 2 years ago
In the name of jesus christ!
ShadowEmperor321 2 years ago
Tragic. The Russian plane was filled with children, some were Russian mafia kids. Apparently, the mob didn't like this Air Traffic Controller who screwed up and went to his house and killed him! True story.
emanmark 2 years ago 3
One of the most dramatic episodes of Air Crash Investigation.....
glideslope123 2 years ago 2
is a boeing 757, no 767
kevianso1 2 years ago
0_0 omg R.I.P to all those who died
demolition000 2 years ago
this could have easily been avoided if they had listend to the TCAS order.
ashvinsandhu 3 years ago
hm,yes and ignored the controler
luka55555 2 years ago
yes the problem was TCAS does not have voice pitch change the controller can sound more convincing then TCAS there for they went to follow the controller.
snakeman414 2 years ago
Voice pitch change or not, a trained pilot should know to obey TCAS over the ATC.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago
And the controller should not have instructed a flightlevel change, TCAS on both aircraft instruct opposite demands which both the crew and controller should have been aware of.
Fortunately where there's a fatality there's a change, what makes flying safer today is the tragedies that have occured previously.
EinkOLED 2 years ago
Hmm...they should've listened to TCAS. This could've been avoided - this really could've been avoided if they just listened to their instruments.
hybriddragoness 3 years ago
yes but instruments fail and controllers get there information from the same information as the instruments the pilots do on the plane...
snakeman414 2 years ago
One of the main issues here was the conflicting orders between the TCAS and ATC. Regulations states that if the ATC and TCAS give order simultaneously, the aircraft should follow TCAS orders, as the TCAS is the primary consideration as the TCAS system handles all traffic within the airspace and provides the alternate instruction to the other aircraft (DHL TCAS: Descend, Tupolev TCAS: Ascend).
This was the last opportunity that they had to save the situation.
maxxeclipse88 3 years ago