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  • On her day Mary could beat ANYBODY... But on an off day she could lose to almost anybody! I miss the days when there was depth to women's tennis

  • and two months later at 1994 US Open, Pierce showed her true level with a 61, 60 loss to a knee'bandaged Graf. some people have such illusions of greatness

  • @RuthlessFerocity Pierce lost to Novotna in quarterfinals at the US Open 94, it was in 1993 that this match happened, sohalf a year before TG. Pierce beated again Graf at masters 1994 then lost to her at Paris Open 1995. Be sure of urself when u say something, thanks

  • Wow, Seles would have absolutely slaughtered Graf here......Graf was very lucky that Parche came along.......

  • @artisking1

    Yes, it would have been only of those 60 61 or 62 61 slams wins Seles sometimes had against Steffi.

    While Steffi's clearest slam win ever pre-stabbing was a 2-hour affair at AO 93 with only 8 points more than Seles.

    Oh, wait ...

  • @Hoffenheim08

    Graf lost ther following:

    1990, 1991, 1992 US Open, 1991, 1992, 1993 Aussie Open, 1990, 1991, 1992 French Open

    1990, 1991, 1992 Wta Championships....

    Oh wait.......

    .who won them all.....SELES.......LOL ....a difference of 8 slams to 2.......

    what a slaughter......LOL....

  • @artisking1

    And the next lie, fag.

    Seles didn't win USO 90.

    Seles lost in 31 of 40 slams.

    That is more than 75 %!!!!

    She even lost 14 slams post-stabbing without Steffi playing. So why didn't she win them when her main opponent wasn't playing???

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  • Graf was a great champion but more importantly, a human being. Pierce was better that day. Graf said so herself if you remember the interview afterwards. The fact is that even in her prime, if she were playing today, she would lose a lot more than she used to. The women's field is much more competitive in the early rounds than it was even in 1994. It's just a fact.

  • @MrNeilsy

    Yes, that's why Kimiko Date had a better record against the top-15 players in 2010 than in 1994 ...

    Say, do you really think that Steffi would have any difficulties against a field which has someone like Wozniacki (!) as #1?

    Don't be asinine.

  • @Hoffenheim08

    No, you shouldn't be assinine, my Sissy friend....Graf's Backhand would be EATEN for lunch in today's women's tennis.......

    Also, her second serve would be bashed into submission. Seles thoroughly walloped Graf's backhand and first and second serve 20 years ago, and players today would have a field day...

    Serena would KILL Steffi, in her prime or not..........that backhand and second serve are a joke compared to Serena's........

  • @artisking1

    Yes, that's why Steffi lost to Mary-Jo Fernandez and twice to Testud in 1999, to Tauziat in 2000, to Rubin in 2002, to Craybas in 2005 and 7 times (LOL!!!) to Capriati in 2000-04.

    Player Serena always creamed in the 90s.

    Oh, wait ...

  • @Hoffenheim08

    Serena would KILL Graf.

    Venus, at 18, having never won a slam and not in her prime, MURDERED GRAF 6-2 6-3, two months before Graf won the French Open and reached the Final of Wimbledon......

    Facts are facts, Sissy......graf ducked the williams sisters to avoid being murdered......

  • @artisking1

    Good old Steffi with her reconstructed knee overtook 19-year-old Venus in the WTA rankings in summer of 1999, a few weeks before her retirement.

    Venus won 6 tournaments in 1999.

    Venus was better than that only in one year, 2002 with 7 titles. She hasn't won more than 3 titles per year since 2002.

    1999 was one of Venus's absolute best years ever. But Steffi overtook her and schooled her in Wimbledon.

    LOL ...

  • @Hoffenheim08 Wozniacki is a product of the ranking system and how to play a certain number of tournaments to achieve the number one ranking. Like other players who have not won a slam and have become number one, she did it with consistent play week after week. There are plenty of other players around today besides Wozniaki, for example Clijsters, Venus, Serena, and Justine, would have beaten Graf on a regular basis. She could not win the way she used to with the depth found today.

  • @MrNeilsy

    Venus would have beaten Steffi "on a regular basis"?

    You mean the same Venus who lost to Jeyaseelan, Schwartz, Coetzer, Dokic, Mg. Maleeva, Schett, Shaughessy, Testud, Raymond, Rubin, Sprem, Bovina, Molik, Farina Elia, Golovin, Karantantcheva, Pironkova, Vaidisova, A. Radwanska, Rezai, Chakvetadse, Razzano, Penetta, Cibulkova, Kvitova, Li, Suarez-Navarro, Lisicki, Kleybanova, Szavay, K. Bondarenko, Pavlyuchenkova in the last 10 years?

    LOL ...

  • @Hoffenheim08 Yeah what a joke, Steffi would not be dominated by anyone, Graf and Seles were in a class by themselves in terms of competitive fire. I'll add an Evert and Navratilova in their prime, they were the truest of champions! I think the best tennis in terms of drama on the women's side was seen from 1985-1995...and then sadly it went south for me. Venus is a great player, but not in anyway better than Graf, Seles, Nav or Evert or even Serena for that matter.

  • @Hoffenheim08 Wozniacki is a product of the ranking system and how to play a certain number of tournaments to achieve the number one ranking. Like other players who have not won a slam and have become number one, she did it with consistent play week after week.  There are plenty of other players around today besides Wozniaki, for example Clijsters, Venus, Serena, and Justine, would have beaten Graf on a regular basis. She could not win the way she used to with the depth found today.

  • @MrNeilsy are you smoking crack or something. seles and graf would have beaten the players you mentioned on a regular basis and a martina navratilova at her very best would have destroyed them

  • @MrNeilsy I completely disagree. The women's game does not have more depth these days. Players all have the same game which makes watching womens tennis a real snoozefest right now. The competitive fire is not there. Wozniacki is the worst number one ever...no doubt...she is the most boring player I have ever seen in the top 3. Of course that is just my opinion. I cannot help but laugh how raquet technology has destroyed the women's game...all hard hitters but no thought involved...

  • what a shot  at 1:04 mary pierce brutal force shows were really scary

  • I miss these 2!!!! But i dont miss Seles!!!! She made my ears bleed!!!!!

  • Once the match was over, I distinctly remember the commentator saying, "Some of the forehands hit today were the hardest I have ever seen in my life, and that includes men's tennis." Brute force of Mary Pierce that day!

  • Graf didn't play too well that first year with the Wilson Pro Staff Classic Lite, I think maybe it was so so light compared to the Dunlop Max 200G that she found it hard to get as much weight behind her shots.

  • i mean that she lost a few more key matches than normal, this SF, the Wmd 1st Rd and the final @ the US open.

  • Don't be too assertive, otherwise the bunch of crazy graf fans wil come and harass you... :)

  • Steffi is my alltime favourite... but i am sorry... Mary was just too good for Steffi that day.

  • 1) 1993-08-02 San Diego Hardcourt QF Graf 6-3 6-4

    2) 1993-08-30 U.S. Open Hardcourt R16 Graf 6-1 6-0

    3) 1994-05-23 Roland GarrosClay SF Pierce 6-2 6-2

    4) 1994-08-15 Montreal HardcourtSF Graf6-3 6-4

    5) 1994-11-14 Virginia Slims ChampionshipsIndoor Carpet QFPierce 6-4 6-4

    6) 1995-02-13 Paris Indoor Hardcourt F Graf 6-2 6-2

  • Steffi wasn't "blasted" off the court. The moon balls from Pierce did the trick that day as Steffi couldnt seem to handle them and made more errors than she usually does. Although credit to Mary she played well to win.

  • If steffi can't handle moonballs, she shouldn't have been playing tennis. Pierce forced the issue, blasted forehands that Graf only dreamed of.

  • Steffi couldn't handle the moonballs that day. Well she lost to her in the championships later that year but never lost to her again. Steffi is the queen of forehands end of

  • Wasn't just moonballs. Pierce forced the issue, played smart tennis, blasted fh returns that left Graf stunned. Pierce is dangerous on any surface, any era, against any player. Period.

  • Yeah but Steffi was definately not up to her usual standards that day. Oh well

    Where is Mary these days anyway? Still not recovered from that injury?

  • they met only once after, in early 1995

  • That Graf only dreamed of, LOL! Did Marys forehand win her 22 slam titles. Nuff said.

  • on that day, graf was nowhere...

  • Pierce played a great match, did outplay Graf this day, and definitely deserved to win. However to say a 2 slam winner does things a 22 slam winner can only dream of is fantasical fan delusions at best.

  • GRAF did things Pierce could only dream of.

    Winning 22 slams (world record in professional tennis) for example ...

  • I was talking about that match in which Pierce generated a kind of power play that noone (except maybe seles) had played at that point.

    I'm well aware that Graf is standing way above pierce in the books. Pierce was not even ranked number one, let alone number two...

  • You talk as if Graf has never played a match better than Pierce did that day. That is far from the truth. Australian Open final 94, Wimbledon final 92, Australian Open semis 89, U.S Open 4th round vs Pierce herself in 93, the list could go on and on. Pierce played a great match and it was a great win for her but lets not make it more than that. If Pierce was the lead power player she wouldnt have horrible head to head with Davenport, Williams, and even mediocre ones with Huber and Majoli.

  • Did I say "better" ? I was talking about the power. It is exactly what the French commentator is saying in the video.

    I did not say Pierce was the lead power player, but when her game was on, she could beat anyone including the power players.

    But she was not regular at all.

  • Lots of players are good enough to beat anyone when they are on. Still a very small percentage of the whole tour of course, but still a good number. I could make a good sized list of them from the last 15-20 years. We will just have to agree to disagree. Mary played a great match and deserved to beat Steffi and have her slam breakthough but there was nothing revolutionary about her performance as you seem to think either IMO.

  • All I was saying is that the kind of power she generated in this tournament (not just this match) was close to unseen before.

    Nothing else

  • She often played with this power.

    But in most of her matches she couldn't keep the ball within in lines enough.

  • Well, this I can do as well ! I'm really good at it! I can sometimes even smash a hole in the wall behind my opponent !

  • I agree - Pierce brought power that even Seles didnt have till then.

    I disagree - Pierce is not even close to Graf in any avenue otherwisen as a player.

    What made Seles better than Pierce was power with angles. On sheer power, Pierce was far harder hitter than Seles.

  • on sheer power no one hits harder than Pierce, not even today. So when her game was on she was nearly unbeatable. Unfortunately, her game was not on as often as she could have wished it were.

  • Well honey.. sheer power is not the only thing in tennis... flair is required. pierce couldnt run to save her life.. Serena hits almost as hard as Pierce but can run and catch balls on defense . thats why she has an edge. Pierce could run but was somehwat like Davenport in that department. Such players cant be Number one for long atleast.

    And even Safina hits as hard. But cant keep it in. Thats how Pierces game was. It was never consistent. and if your not .. then you cant be the best!

  • I agree. It's for these reasons that it was sometimes painful to watch her play.

    But when her game was on it was fun, and though you can't compare her with the all time best, she still has quite decent achievements.

  • I agree Pierce had tremendous power. But if a player CANT do it consistently then they are not good players.

    Pierce was consistently INCONSISTENT losing to the whos nots on the tour.

  • I'm a long time Graf fan but Pierce that day was awesome. That tournament was the best display (except after the rain delay in the final) by a woman tennis player. She anihilated everybody with ease. To have one day like that on the court!

  • best display of tennis i've ever seen. the talk about graf being "off" that day is rubbish. pierce never allowed her into that match.

  • Pierce played the best match of her life.

    Steffi did play one of the best 500 of HER life.

    So a 62 62 is possible of course.

    Just 9 months before Steffi beat Pierce 61 60 at USO 93. And 8 months after that loss she beat Pierce 62 62 at the Paris indoors.That's tennis.

  • yeah, and in the meantime pierce won 6-4 6-4 at the YEC, don't forget that one please

  • When Graf was fit again she beat Pierce 6-2 6-2 in front of her home crowd (Paris, February 1995).

    I fondly remember, too, what Steffi did to Pierce in the USO 1993 (6-1 6-0).

    Graf won two thirds of her matches against Pierce (67 %). Same against Seles, BTW.

  • Gunther, did you masturbate while watching it? Cause I start to believe you did...

  • That coming from someone who only favours lesbian players!

  • and homophobic. You do have all human qualities really. Such a great human being, i feel sorry for you.

  • That from someone who is heterophobic!

  • please, don't use words and concepts you are not intelligent enough to grasp!!!

    First heterophobia is like anti-white racism. It's a creation.

    Second, I love heteros, it takes TWO of them to make ONE of us!!!

    and by the way, who are the lesbian players you are talking about?

  • "One of us" ... ? Eeek!

    I was talking of Navratilova and Seles.

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  • Don't knock it until you try it! It may do you good and give your wife a rest :)

    And Seles is not a lesbian

  • stop it please. Can you remember the score paris final on febrary 1995? can't you? i'll say...graf vs pierce 6-2 6-2 graf is ismply the best

  • There was nothing off about Graf during this match, Pierce was just on fire and completely destroyed Graf.

  • mary was great on her day, but inconsistent - her big downfall in grandslams in my opinion

  • I remember this match. Graf was really outblasted, outpowered by rising Mary Pierce. There was moments/shots were she could handle pierce's pace and power. Graf even acknowledge the hard hitting power of pierce( and monica) on her losers speech saying that she hits hard like monica. And yes, graf did lost to Lori McNeil at Wimbledon 1st run that year as well in 2 sets.

  • It was one of the all-time demolition jobs. Some of Mary's forehands were some of the hardest hit I have ever seen - even by today's standards. Too bad she didn't win the final because she deserved to!

  • Pierce had lost 16 06 to Graf just 9 months before at the USO 93. That one was far more one-sided.

    And no, Pierce didn't deserveto win the final. Sanchez was better that day.

  • Pierce got her revenge against sanchez who was crushed at the AO95. Mary was better when the final started on saturday, but Sanchez handled the pressure much better when play resumed one day later.

    Oh and Mary took another brilliant one against steffi at the YEC in straight sets

  • Graf played only one tournament between September 1994 and February 1995 - and that was the YEC 1994.

    She had severe back problems in those months but the WTA begged her to play the YEC. Afterwards she said that she should not have played.

  • "Oh god," said Graf, "I hope it wasn't one of my crazy fans."

    Actually, reading what you post on every video makes me feel depressed... back in the days, you could well have handed out the knife to the retard...

  • I'm glad that my posts make you feel depressed, loser girl ...

  • 1) i'm a man

    2) i'm glad too, that reaction is a sign of mental health and sanity given how you act and react

    3) Schadenfreude ist die Freude der Verlierer

  • Steffi was not off form that day. Mary was in the zone totally and blasted her off the court.

  • Graf off form that day, that's it.

  • it wasnt just that day, it was the whole year after the australian open cause if you remember she went to wimbledon and got beaten in the first round by laurie mcneil i think.

  • yup, the usual graffan talk. When she won, greatest ever, when she lost, excuses or bad form. Pierce would have beaten every one on that day, including Ms Graf, which she did in one-sided fashion.

  • I remember this match well. Mary blasted Steffi off the court that day, making her look very ordinary. Didn't she get to the final with the loss of only 10 games throughout the tournament?

  • I wish someone would post Graf/McNeil from 1994 Wimbledon.

  • For once someone didn't play intimidated against Graf.

  • Go Mary!!! I miss you a lot.

  • Remember this match so well. Not often Graf was overpowered but Pierce completely blasted her off the court that day. Shame she couldn't reproduce this form more regularly throughout her career as she surely would have won more grand slam titles if she had

  • Yes I remember that match well. What was so fascinating was how Graf's usually dominant forehand looked like an average shot against Mary. Pierce just didn't seem to mind it and it really was a demolition.

  • Pierce took Graf apart that day. I think Pierce was one opponent Graf actually feared, she could outmuscle Steffi and pounded her into submission.

  • Pierce took Graf apart that day. I think Pierce was one opponent Graf actually feared, she could outmuscle Steffi and pounded her into submission.

  • Graf didn't stand a chance that day, Pierce was playing on a different planet.

  • Graf got spanked badly.

  • That was unbelievable what Pierce did that day.

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