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@maybeshesbornwithitt hi there, not sure what you been by believing atheist views? what does having a backbone have to do with anything? approval of the lost? i care what others think about the christian faith, and how it is being damaged by hurting others, but my soul is secure and i need only care what god thinks of me. do you believe what kent hovind teaches? oh, happy rapture day. god bless
While we're spotlighting extremist behavior, let's not forget the writings of numerous popes, the decrees of the Spanish Inquisition, the logs of the Salem witch trials, the rantings of Cortez and the Spanish invasion of the New World. The list is much longer, and we can spend hours describing the most horrendous from both camps. Still, in Hovind's demented mind, no rational argument would ever have any merit. One sick fella.
@DeceiptfulDomino pagan catholics who burned bibles and bible believers , does anybody still equate the pagan catholic unholy roman empire with bible believers? kent hovind has quite a lot to say about the pagan catholics and their pagan crusades
@notjam3 My only point is believers, at any time in history of any kind, have their few idiots. I consider this guy one of the christian idiots. Is he using Hitler as someone to DEFEND his point? He does realize Hitler was a CHRISTIAN and was targeting a number of people based on a few things including RELIGION. Anyways, just using a well known event, but no I don't still associate bible believers with the Roman empire.
@notjam3 I watched a BBC documentary tonight where they totally did that..."Catholic Christians..." was the oft quoted statement....its incredible how most people have the wool pulled over their eyes.... The only thing he got right in the documentary was when speaking of the Bolsheviks and their crusade to destroy Orthodox Churches in Russia...."In the Soviet New World Order there is no place for God..." Unfortunately the backers of the Bolsheviks, The Catholic Church, have not gone away...
@tiarnan76 ..would a loving god expect us to figure out that evolution is a lie? As for the science part - where are you getting your science information? Polystrate fossils have been thoroughly explained - and as for marine life on mountains - look up tectonic plates. If evolution is a lie, then I do want to know - but I have seen no evidence that it is a lie, and no evidence that the earth is 6,000 years old. We see light from galaxies billions of years away from us. This is looking into the
@tiarnan76 hi there. Thanks for comments, but please don't shout at me - and it's quite mean to imply that I don't study the bible - I do every day. Firstly, I didn't meant all of genesis but clearly the creation account is not literal. You see evolution is a lie from Satan - the bible says gods creation cannot lie. If god made the earth to look as though we are evolved, then that god is a deceiver. If Satan can corrupt the earth so it looks like we evolved, then gods creation is lying. How wou
@assassinsrock when Jesus says he is the bread of life, that is not literal but a metaphor. There are people who like the teachings of Jesus and try to follow them, but don't accept god. It's sad that so many different types of belief are all put under the umbrella Christianity when they differ and often look nothing like what Jesus is. I hope that helps a little and I am happy to talk more.
@assassinsrock hi there. Thanks for the comments. I don't believe the bible was written by god - it says itself that it isn't. But the men who wrote it were inspired to write it by the holy spirit. Mens personal writing style, opinions and pain can be seen. In the song of songs book, it's a tad raunchy in places - god certainly did not write that. There are lots of different kinds of writings in the bible, poetry, letters, laws, and each need to be interpreted in a particular way.
@tiarnan76 hi there. I don't really understand your question. I am a Christian because I have faith in Jesus. Nothing else is required. Genesis is not a literal account. The bible is not to be taken entirely literally. Accepting evolution does not cost me my salvation. There is a staggering amount of evidence for evolution, and none for special creation. I am still a Christian but I accept evidence, and not the lies of creationist teachers. God bless
@bagospannerz You're a part of the VERY small minority of christians I can stand, believe whatever you want to, but if you want to get in the way of scientific advancement you WILL be crushed. Although I do find it odd how people believe something with that supposedly has divine inspiration can't be taken literally, and is subject to human (and as the book clearly states, imperfect) interpretation. Care to shine some light on the matter? I've always been curious to understand that logic.
@bagospannerz Genesis is not a literal account? Have you ever studied the Table of Nations? The sons of Noah gave rise to the names of all nations, which is why you have the Semites (I'm sure you've heard the term "anti Semitic) who are todays Arabs and were called after Shem -or in Africa, Ethiopians are still called the Cushites and are obviously named after Cush etc That is a LITERAL genealogy - watch the lecture by Paul Griffiths.
@bagospannerz Genesis is the word of God and this is what is written - Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Do you understand what is being written - LITERALLY? After their own kind means there cannot be evolution. God knew some day that Satan would promulgate the lie of evolution - this is why you should take God's word literally.
@bagospannerz Or how about the Flood, do you think that happened? Have you ever studied the tonnes (literally) of evidence for the flood? The pre-flood builders were far more advanced than us - study the megaliths in Baalbek, Tiahuanaco, Cuzco etc stone plinths weighing thousands of tonnes - but many of the plinths are strewn about like lego - showing a sudden disaster took place - then you have the underwater structures in Nan Madol, Yonaguni, Bimini etc (contd)
'The pre-flood builders were far more advanced than us'
Right, but only one person managed to build a boat to escape the flood which he filled to the brim with dinosaurs and all the beasts of the earth. Don't waste your time replying because no one cares you tiresome God-botherer. You have no scientific authority and creationists publish nothing; go back to sleep and let mankind progress instead of threatening hell fire if others dont believe in Bronze age legends like you.
@motorcitycobra2009 So have you studied anything that I wrote about? No...just another evolutionist fuckwit screaming with his hands over his ears. You dont even disregard the tonnes of evidence, you simply dont bother investigating it - which is what Einstein meant when he said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" - Now tell me this - who dya think people would rather hear from, someone whos erudite or someone who sits watching Family Guy while wanking his dog?
There are Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Atheist, Agnostic, Communist, Capitalist, Anarchist and Calvinist (ad infinitum) evolutionists but only the truly scientifically illiterate like yourself subscribe to a literal interpretation of Genesis. You are too contaminated by bias & fear of judgement to be seriously debated on the subject. As to why I don't read your 'evidence'; if someone claimed 'the Stork' as an alternative to sexual reproduction I'd ignore that cock-head too!
@tiarnan76 Considering that you are a creationist, it seems fairly likely that whatever you wrote had no substance to be studied. Certainly in all the time I have spent studying creationist literature, I have never encountered any new arguments, just the same arguments repeated ad nauseum, with the same bad logic and complete misrepresentation and misunderstanding of facts. If creationists have truth on their side, why are ALL creationist arguments based on falsehoods?
@notthecheatr This is a debate that won't last long. Why don't you bring up one specific point and we can discuss it, I'll let you choose. The great thing is I used to be an evoltuionist until I actually started to study facts. Do you know why there's not one single piece of evidence to support evolution (oh sorry, besides the Piltdown Man) because there is no such thing as evolution. But by all means come back to me with your nonsense and we'll have some fun.
@tiarnan76 Hahaha, not one single piece of evidence? How about the entire fossil record and the genetic code of all life on earth?
The truth is that it's impossible for there to be evidence in favor of something magically being created out of thin air. Even if evolution had no evidence at all, it would still be inherently more probable than creationism because creationism involves magic rather than naturalism. Creationism is not science and explains nothing.
@notthecheatr The entire fossil record? Theres not a single scientist that would make that claim (creationist or evolutionist) so you'll have to back that up. The genetic code, or DNA as most people would refer to it, is proof of a creator, unless of course you think the coding for video games, or coding for any software just arises over billions of years without the input of any intelligence. So how do 3 billion pieces of genetic information just code themselves? & you say you're not into magic
@Pagweb Natural Selection refines the species and keeps the species strong - in no way does if support evolution and the "mutation" theory...it goes absolutely 100% against it. As Darwin said in Ch 9 of Origin Of the Species ...one of his major problems with the theory of evolution is that every species is so perfect in its own right. Natural Selection works in keeping it this way. Where are all the millions of "gradients" from one species to the next? There aren't any.
@tiarnan76 First, I don't like the language you use; please be more specific--specially in that first sentence. Second, explain to me how Natural Selection goes against the Theory of Evolution. In Chapter 9 of On the Origin of Species, Darwin explains how the imperfections fossil record at the time to can't prove his theory; please tell me the page where he says species are perfect. There are plenty of transitional fossils; just Google "transitional fossils list".
@Pagweb Natural Selection is basically like quality control - very often in the wild when a baby is born with a defect the other animals will eat it or kill it. This doesnt lead to a change in species but serves to keep that particular species pure. A mutation by the way is a DEFECT in genetic code and NEVER enhances the original species. Its like saying if a programmer gets code wrong youd have a better video game - its absolutely ludicrous.
@tiarnan76 ''A mutation is a DEFECT in genetic code'' NO, it is a change in the genetic code. Any change is ''new information''. A change in the species is called evolution.
@gregrutz From a peer-reviewed paper called, "TOWARD A REALISTIC MODEL OF MUTATIONS AFFECTING FITNESS, (Peter D. Keightley and Michael Lynch, Universih of Edinburgh, Institute of Cell, Animal and Population Biology, U.K.)
"A great deal of evidence from several sources strongly suggests that the overall effects of mutations are to reduce fitness."
@gregrutz My point is - Darwin had major problems with his theory - I was asked to provide evidence so I gave one quote (of the countless I could have used) peraphrasing "all animals being so well defined - where are the millions of variations..." So you resort to a typical pro evolutionist tactic - ooh youre quote mining. Thats pathetic - Ill let you quote anyone you want - but when it comes down to facts you've no hope - so bring it on mon ami.
@tiarnan76 Darwin is dead. His ideas are 150 years out of date. Proving him wrong proves nothing. He had not problem with his theory, he had problems coming up with any transitional fossils. We have hundreds of them know. The first dinosaur with feathers was found 10 years after he published, and it has been accpeted ever since.
Yes you you ignorant creatard, if you are so stupid as to be a creatard then you cant be educated as to why quote mining (lying about what people mean) is so low.
What the hell do you think it means anyway it doesnt procve anything its the quote you cretards usually use which cuts off the end part which hammers home reality, but creatards want to pretend it says somthing els eso the leave out that part on purpose.
@Pagweb I did make a mistake however it was ch 6 - the quote by darwin is - First, why, if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?
@tiarnan76 Darwin was wrong about some things. His ideas are 150 years out of date. He is dead. Do you think proving him wrong or quote mining him will prove Evolution does not happen? LOL
@gregrutz What about the Sumerians when they first put forward the idea of life coming from a primodial soup thousands of years ago and evolving from that? how out of date were they? Dya think Darwin was the first with this theory you utter fuckwit - and dont fuckin LOL me you cunt.
@tiarnan76 '' that every species is so perfect in its own right''
Darwin was right. All species are complete species. There are not animals that were trying to change into something else. All species were the best at that time. Most are extinct, no dinos, no trilobites.
@tiarnan76 On the contrary, the fossil record is very good evidence as it supports the predictions made by evolutionary theory. Genetics, on the other hand, is the ace in the hole. We can use genetics to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are your mother's child - not a common creator, but her actual child. Likewise, we can prove that humans are descended from apes. Genetics does not prove magickal creation because nothing can! Life did not arise via magick, but via the eons of evolution.
@notthecheatr Leave magick out of it silly boy. No give me evidence of one fossil that proves evolution, I really cant wait to see this. And youre right genetics is the ace in the hole - it proves we all came from a common mother and fater which totally supports The Biblical account of Creation - namely Adam & Eve. Speaking of making something from nothing, or "magick" as you like to refer to it as - where did the initial matter in the universe come from?? (duhhhhhhhh)
@tiarnan76 Since Creationism requires magick in order to work, there is no way to discuss creationism without discussing magick.
Not only does genetics prove we all came from a common mother and a common father, it also proves that they lived millions of year apart. Furthermore, it also proves that we have common ancestry with apes.
The origin of the matter is not related to evolution at all, but since you bring it up it came from a singularity that expanded about 13.7 billion years ago.
@notthecheatr What magick is needed? Would a uni-celled organism think to itself (bear with me on this) "haha oh yeh right, multicellular organisms that can build houses, drive cars and make ice cream??!! - what a load of shite that is..!!" said the unicellular organism. But lo and behold here we are - comparitive gods to our unicellular ancestors-are you saying evolution can't continue as to supercede present day humans and in fact lead to godhhod? perhaps with the ability to create universes?
@notthecheatr If you're saying this is the end of the evolutionary tree for us - how can you prove that. If not you must say how you know our capacities will be limited. Par example compare your cousins the ape to modern day man. I think Stanley Kubricks 2001 a Space Odyssey summed that up best when the ape through a fossil (the "adanced" weaponry of the ape) and it time-lapsed into a spaceship - the contrast is pretty stark, non? So if evolution is correct why cant we become "godlike"?
@tiarnan76 There is no evidence for a global flood. What is the name of the flood mud layer with all the dead bodies in it? Where did 29,029 feet of water go?
@bagospannerz You have marine life on Mt Everest, and many other mountain tops; you've got Polystrata forests growing through many layers of soil again disproving the soil was deposited over millions of years. The word science means to know, eolution is a lie because I've studied Genesis and have seen the overwhelming proof. As for proof of evolution? Theres absolutely nothing. If you think being a Christian exclues you from studying and knowing the Bible - you couldnt be more wrong.
Even if natural selection definitely caused people to kill (which is nonsense), in what way would that invalidate the theory? It's either true or it isn't. What people choose to do with or how they choose to interpret scientific information is a different subject entirely.
A facepalm isn't quite enough here. The "teachers" in the school my sister was sucked into by religious friends taught science exactly as flawed as this. She left because it was bullshit and hi-fives ensued. Also, while she passed college biology courses comfortably, not a single student that came from that school passed. Gogo Christian schools! PS- They thought she was the devil.
@opethnation hi there. I agree with you somewhat. I know that there are many things in the bible that are difficult and monstrous to us. I struggle with many things in the bible - but as a Christian we believe that Jesus is the perfect picture of god and has the full character of god. I will offer no excuses for the horrific things in the bible - all I can say is that I still have faith. I hope you will at least respect my honesty. I will try to answer any questions you may have. God bless
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@Jude2Mahoney Yes. Evolution is an undeniable fact (though in scientific terms it is a theory, not to be confused with hypothesis as the creationists, none of whom seem to possess a dictionary are wont to do), demonstrated by overwhelming evidence, with none to the contrary.
Natural Selection is the Darwinian theory outlining the mechanism by which evolution is achieved, and it is is also supported by a wealth of evidence but it is not the only mechanism.
@Jude2Mahoney Basically yes. Natural selection explains how evolution works. Many people take the term and spin it so it matches their own view of the world. Remember the world "natural". Natural selection happens all the time in large groups of organisms so the species can adapt, survive, and multiply within a given environment.
@Jude2Mahoney Basically yes. Natural selection explains how evolution works. Many people take the term and spin it so it matches their own view of the world. Remember the world "natural". Natural selection happens all the time in large groups of organisms so the species can change to adapt, survive, and multiply within a given environment.
@bkkhngr81 hi there - sorry for delay in reply - I am disabled. I don't personally know any websites - I will look around and see what I can find. A great book is language of god by Francis Collins - that might help. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to help - and I won't be upset if you don't believe me. Fire away my friend. God bless
I am a Christian, and I sincerely apologise for misguided creationists who damage science and faith in one blow. Not all Christians deny evolution - and not all of us are out to mislead others. I praise anyone who puts in time to educate others. Whatever your beliefs - respect each other and love each other. god bless
@bagospannerz please direct me to some place where I can find out how Christians reconsile all the insanity of the bible with modern science.
I'm not being a prick, I swear!! Yes, I'm going to be difficult to convince but I can't even find a video or website in/on which anyone even puts forth anything remotely sensible.
@bagospannerz thank you its nice to hear that from a theist other then your going to burn thank you very much and i hope your journey to knowledge is a fruitful one
@bagospannerz Sorry, that's not good enough. You believe in a god that finds it appropriate to test the faith of his "servants" by telling them to murder their own children. God's kill count in the old testament outnumbers 1.5 million. You believe in a monster.
@bagospannerz Maybe you should be wondering why all these Creationists who all seem to have a personal relationship with God, are this mind numbingly stupid and ignorant. Wouldn't God say to Hovind during one of his prayers, "Dude, wtf man?"
@bagospannerz No apologies needed. It is not the fault of the Christian alone that causes people like Mr. Hovind. It's anyone that wishes to make money off the foolish by selling them a snake oil answer to a realistic question.
I am a Christian and I sincerely apologize for you sincerely apologizing and for believing atheist views. If you dont have a backbone now and love the approval of the lost then it will be hard for you when the New World Order is set.
@Maybeshesbornwithitt There is no god, and evolution is a fact, just because you deny it means nothing, only that you are an idiot. There will ofcourse be no new world order. You are wasting your life. Religion was used to bind the weak minded...good to see its still doing its job.
@490er sorry to but in, but how can you believe Jesus died for your sin when at the same time you believe that death brought man into the world instead of the biblical explanation of man brought death into the world, you cant have it bothe ways, if monkeys had to keep dying for man to exist than Jesus didnt need to die for sin because death was there before sin, evolution isnt true anyway a lo of scientists will say that.
@jamesearlcash500 lol yea that was mostly put their because one of my relatives was looking at my youtube account so i wanted it to look like i wasn't Atheists
my whole family is Roman Catholic so they'd probley try to convert me if they found out i was Atheists
@490er That isn't the God of the bible though, i understand what your saying here but its not God's fault, thats what people do, Jesus said love your enemys, do good to others, don't run after money and stres about all that, he said focus on love and fellowship, if people did listen to God we wouldnt be in this mess lol, and because the world is in a mess that means you should just join in? why? If you follow Christ youll set a much better example and have great joy in doing so.
@bossoholic May be. May be not. But that doesn't change the fact that Hitler's thoughts and actions were heavily influenced by his Christian beliefs. Don't believe me? Do a search for "Mein Kampf" in wikiquote . com.
@gupsphoo That may have been hitlers view on Christianity (well his "version" of it anyway). That does not mean that it is the Godly way. Anyone can use any thing as an excuse for their evil deeds, even blaming it on Christianity.
@gupsphoo Why do you love it? so you can carry on sinning? so others ae justified in there sin? so a murderers and rapists can do what they do and blame it on theyre common animalistic ansetrory? Lets look at the facts here you can twist Hovinds words all you like but as Jesus said "The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil." you want avoid the good that Jesus is, and continou sinnig without the worry of eternal hell, but Christ offers forgiveness.
Well, some say scientists are piling on the evidence. I don't think any atheist could convince anyone that there is no "god" better than people like Kent Hovind does in his films. Irrational, disconnected and just pure comedy for those of us who think for ourselves. This is a true gem (pun not intended at first, but it caught on eventually).
I don't agree with everything this guys says necessarily. All I will say is that natural selection is false as Christians well know, and thats one of the things I do agree with Kent about.
@xhemexx "All I will say is that natural selection is false as Christians well know"
That christians well know, huh. If it were false, you'd think that another group of people who don't believe a conflicting ideology on a basis of faith would have noticed it too.
If evolution denies the work of God that can be seen in the material world, of cause it is from the devil. It´s interesting and all in line with what the scriptures tells us...Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
"Doctor" Hovind? What a joke. Hovind's "PhD", as well as his "Master's Degree" came from Patriot University. Google "Patriot University", and see the Wiki article. There is a discussion there about Hovind's degree, too. Patriot U. is a trailer out in the sagebrush. No teachers, no classes, just a photocopier and a cashier. Hovind the scientist. Oh, hahahahaha!!!!
the grand canyon was created by water.... how much proof do you need besides the canyon itself? or maybe the atheist is right and the random meaninglessness got out it's shovel and dug it out for no reason...lol that's what I teach my kids.
I bet Thunderf00t wouldn't last half an hour in a debate with Kent or even his idiot son for that matter (nice guy though). Its pretty easy to talk about someone when they can't defend themselves isn't it? In fact a woman did the same thing you are doing, claiming Kent was wrong and so he went over there and defended himself and won. Watch Kent Hovind's answering critics he talks about her there.
@doctorh2005 - On the contrary. Hovind has manipulated the fact that a murderer had natural selection on his t-shirt, therefor obviously "Evolution is the work of Satan" or some other bullshit. Besides, Hovind is the master of taking shit out of context. Take for instance, his use of the words "Adolf Hitler" after every reference to anything negative.
the last president who was in power George Busch had alot to do with why America is screwed up because of his disturbingly large amounts of spending, horrible forieng policy (claming god told him to invade iraq pissed off the Mideast) failure to stop outsourcing and grossly under regulating the banks and poorly planed stimulus packages. this man was a christian.
morality is both an inherent survival skill and decision making processes based on what society tells us is acceptable. my decisions come from a logical analysis of reality, i would like to think that the human race does not need fear of a false deity to stop them from killing people. In many situations what may be perceived as moral can be a highly moral thing. fighting off the Germans with murder lying to not hurt a persons feelings ect.
So there should be no laws your basicly saying. If your not saying that then How should laws be enforced. God gave many chance to the people of the earth, even his own people. He did this over and over and over. God is a Just God and if you believe at all in Justice you would understand that after a while God would have to punish evil, because it spreads. Oh I just type I don't proof read my comments, no one gets perfect, everyone makes mistakes when typing fast.
@wjc252006 Typing fast doesn't produce errors such as confusing "one" for "won", "their" for "there", and repeatedly substituting "lieing" for lying. If you want to come across as a thoughtful and intelligent individual, I would suggest proof-reading.
I have never believed in God, I was taught Darwinian evolution at school and understand that life itself can be boiled down to principles of science...
no one says that every darwinian evolutionist will be a killer but there is more evil then killing. There is fornication, adultery, Homosexuality, covetness, greed, lieing, stealing, cheating, ect. It doesn't matter if you havn't done the worse ones that you yourself believe is bad. You are making a relative argument and if a killer or rapist thought it was morally sound to do his crimes they are still wrong. How do you decide right from wrong as an Evolutionist and or atheist.
@wjc252006 Your argument that the relative prominence of such behaviors is greater among non-Christians is weak. Every behavior you point to can be found in all groups, because of human nature. Look at the mega-churches and our conservative, Christian politicians. Homosexuality, greed, and avarice abound...but it occurs everywhere. Morality and 'family values' is an EVOLUTIONARY adaptation...to do good and cooperate, as well as aggress to secure food, mates, shelter..all the needs of survival.
This does not proove one bit of evolution. Just because you can observe human behavior doesn't meen evolution exist. God created man to inhabit the earth and to take care of it, originally to live in relation to Him and. The Garden was an ideal place of provision in which God lived with man. Now we have to learn to follow our creator who spoke through men by the Holy Spirit of God. In the mean while our spirit strives against the devil and his devices that try to decieve us.
" Just because you can observe human behavior doesn't meen evolution exist." True, but we can explain human behavior through evolution. Empathy and altruism, the building blocks of morality, are beneficial to any animal that lives in groups, be they bats, dogs, apes (including us), fish etc. All have shown these characteristics. The reason they are more prevalent in humans is because we have theory of mind, another evolutionary adaptation.
Evolution has no back up, while you dispute all I say you have not provided back up to your theory, that is why it is called a theory. Stop forcing your religion on people who just go to school to learn and even on here where kids look at this.We did not produce morals on our own, have you ever looked at a kid who did not watch worldy movies about 3 years old. They begin fighting over anything. They begin lying at the point they can speak, the even steal. That is hands on experience.
"Evolution has no back up" This statement is false.
"that is why it is called a theory." tell me what the scientific definition of the word 'theory' is.
"Stop forcing your religion on people" I don't follow any religion.
Your point about children is easy to refute because of the way a child's mind and brain develops (we do not develop the ability to lie until about the age of 4) and it supports my argument that most of accepted morality is based on social conditioning.
It is a set of ideas that is intended to explain why something happens or exists. Synonyms- Hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, suppposition, speculation, postulation, proposition, premise, opinion, view, belief, contention. ideas- concepts, philosophy, ideology, thinking, principles. All of wich are not facts. Oh the kid I observed was 2 1/2 then turned 3 and was already behaving the way I explained no training in this area of lieing.
Good, you have an online dictionary, so now tell me what the *scientific* definition is.
I did not say lying required training, I said it happens as the brain develops. If the kid could do it that young s/he'll probably turn out to have fantastic social skills and be very emotionally intelligent.
In home dictionary. Lieing is wrong it always has been. If the parents don't teach the kid which I know they will they are Christian but that goes to show that from birth sin is already there.
If you don't have accountability to God how can you tell right from wrong? You can't everyone is right in there own eyes. Wether you grew up in a house of where they taught you about God or not it is in our American system to follow after God morally. While the Fathers didn't want to force people to believe in God our system was set up to be a guide to a life of fredom, liberty, and persuit of hapiness. The forefathers expressed that without the Christian beleifs this contitution is useless
"f you don't have accountability to God how can you tell right from wrong?" I love this argument, you're basically saying if it wasn't for your faith you'd be a pedophile, rapist, murderer etc, but you're not because you fear god. Hypothetically, if it could be proven there was no god, would you start doing these things? Would you want to?
If it wasn't for the Bible we would not know right from wrong as you probably don't see anythng wrong with most the sins I have stated. God said he wrote the law on the hearts of everyone that is born. The Bible also says that Sin is enjoyable for a season. That is the law of you reap what you sew. You sew in sin you reap bondage and hard times. The Bible also says they didn't like to retain God in their knowledge so he gave them up to their own lust. That is why without a law there is chaos.
This is circular logic, you believe in god because the bible tells you to believe in god.
How did people know right from wrong before the bible? What about people who have never heard of the bible (there are still some out there)? What about people who follow a different religion?
What do you mean before the Bible the Children of Israel had laws from Moses. Before that you may recall the Priest Machelsedek and God gave commands in Genesis that were past down.
Ok so the bronze age cult existed for a while in the Middle East, but what about East Asia? South America? Northern Europe? Australia? North America? Africa? If the commands were passed down from Genesis, why did so many different creation myths occur? Why does geographic location of these myths correlate with their similarities? Is it because people invented them and told stories about them?
That was my question to you we use that as our evidence so your backward there. With so many from so many different places having a story that resembles the Biblical account but all having more of a human promotion obviously it wasn't ment to be a religion but a story to blind people to reality of the Truth of the Bible which had the Story, the Laws, the facts that actually have been found. None of the cities I believe have been found except where the story came from in the Epic.
That is what is happening today. Americans are selling out their freedoms to people who are evolutionist/ atheist who hate God and the fredom that he gives. What is going on in America today is the same as in Roman times Christians and other one God religions will not bow to man and Evolutionist who think they know it all but don't try to make the Christians bow down to a man saying God does not exist. I will not bow to myself nor any other man for my salvation is in the Lord.
@wjc252006 the jeduo- christian god does not exist.
almost everything in the bible goes against all knowledge of history and science. the Romans had no record that Jesus was even a real person until 100+ years after he was dead and the only document that mentions him is the bible and books that were never placed in the bible.
atheists make 12% of America, Christians make 60% of America, most people who vote in America are above the age of 40 sadly, people from that age group tend to be more conservative and christian. Christians currently control America since Thomas Jefferson i can not think of a president who was not christian.
"atheist who hate God" this is a fallacy, atheists can't hate god, if they hated him they'd believe in him. A lot of us hate people who believe in god though...
"the fredom that he gives. " I can't think of a single freedom offered by any god/s we can't make for ourselves.
"the same as in Roman times" You mean when the Roman Empire founded there own version of a bronze age desert cult to pacify pagans in Northern Europe?
freedom from the bonds of sin that even a non beleiver can see that the sins outlined in the Bible harm people and destroy lives. You don't understand freedom your bound and blind. You don't know freedom you think it is control like Obama wants to do. The freedoms you enjoy are because of the Christian teaching that came from out of under that roman pagan religion catholocism.
What bonds of sin? Yes there are plenty of things that the bible says are bad that I don't do, there are also plenty of crazy things in there that I do, like eating meat on a Friday and wearing clothes made of mixed fabrics, my hair is cut short round the temples and I didn't stone my friend to death when she cheated on her boyfriend.
You really don't understand the Bible, you should study it more. You seem to know of scriptures but you don't understand them. There is an oral tradition that explains all the distortion you try to make of scripture. You have to line scripture up it interprets itself. If your a man that is good your hair is cut that is the Biblical way. And Jesus showed mercy on the Hore in the Bible but he told her to sin no more so I am glad you did not stone her.
Absolute morality does exist. God is absolute mrally right in all his doings His moral is our moral, even if you don't believe. You are taking quite a chance to not believe God is not going to say free pass you have been good, although you heard of me you are a morally good person. The problem is that the devil doesn't want people to worship God so he gets them to believe they are good. Hindu and Buddah do not speak of moral accountability, therefore people can live they immoral life they want.
Your right about the differnt denominations and it is unfortunate that so many have departed from Bible teaching. The problem with Christianity was that it has become unitarian for the most part incorperating slightly pagan beliefs like the Trinity, and belief only. The Bible itself has not changed though and that is what atheist should understand that the Bible is distince from other Religious books because it doesn't delete the bad history, it doesn't hide anything showing the flaws of man
"How do you decide right from wrong" Interesting question, I suppose it's similar to the way you do, but we don't need the threat of eternal damnation to stop us.
Society imposes it's sense of morality onto us, that's why killers who think they are doing the right thing are regarded as psychopaths, and why morality is not absolute as you claim.
I think it's funny that you gave homosexuality a capital H. Is there something you're not admitting to yourself?
Society Got morals from Bible teaching and cultural teaching according to the Bible. American law is full of Christianity and the Fathers said with out the Christian God there is no constitution. God will judge killers and as Christians I believe they should be killed for killing. If they want to make there life right before by repenting God can have forgiveness but it is not just saying a prayer it is giving your life to God. We don't need damnation to do right we do it because we love God.
The way I do is I see if the Bible- Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth, says that any thought or deed is wrong. If it is I avoid it to the best I can. I am not perfect nor will not be until God comes to take me to heaven and glorify my body to a body that is incorruptable. I tend to capitalize topics or subpoints, sometimes I catch it sometimes I don't. I don't proof read a comment I write, this is not a book.
I believe in God because of the bible has never been prooved wrong in any respect. I see God in scientific studies, in nature, and I speak in tongues that is not of man and no it is not 3 or 4 words repeated, it happens to be different all the time. Sometimes it can be reptetitive but they are just sounds that block the devil from understanding God speaking to His creation.
This video is taken out context from two different videos... Basically, the person is trying to lie to his viewers and make it look funny...
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
they misinterpret everything, fraking morons
theEmperorsTarot 7 months ago
@maybeshesbornwithitt hi there, not sure what you been by believing atheist views? what does having a backbone have to do with anything? approval of the lost? i care what others think about the christian faith, and how it is being damaged by hurting others, but my soul is secure and i need only care what god thinks of me. do you believe what kent hovind teaches? oh, happy rapture day. god bless
bagospannerz 8 months ago
Dude, Godwin's law
laserindie 9 months ago
as kent hovind would say, "natural selection is not a creative force ,
it simply selects from the information available it does not add any NEW information"
this is a very profound way of looking at the "dogma of evolution"
notjam3 9 months ago
@notjam3 Kent Hovind? Profound? Did I really just see those words on the same page together?
notthecheatr 9 months ago
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@notthecheatr as kent hovind would say, "natural selection is not a creative force ,
it simply selects from the information available it does not add any NEW information"
this is a very profound way of looking at the "dogma of evolution"
notjam3 9 months ago
While we're spotlighting extremist behavior, let's not forget the writings of numerous popes, the decrees of the Spanish Inquisition, the logs of the Salem witch trials, the rantings of Cortez and the Spanish invasion of the New World. The list is much longer, and we can spend hours describing the most horrendous from both camps. Still, in Hovind's demented mind, no rational argument would ever have any merit. One sick fella.
charadester 10 months ago
The crusades were thought to be helping too. There are all kinds of assholes
DeceiptfulDomino 11 months ago
@DeceiptfulDomino pagan catholics who burned bibles and bible believers , does anybody still equate the pagan catholic unholy roman empire with bible believers? kent hovind has quite a lot to say about the pagan catholics and their pagan crusades
notjam3 9 months ago
@notjam3 My only point is believers, at any time in history of any kind, have their few idiots. I consider this guy one of the christian idiots. Is he using Hitler as someone to DEFEND his point? He does realize Hitler was a CHRISTIAN and was targeting a number of people based on a few things including RELIGION. Anyways, just using a well known event, but no I don't still associate bible believers with the Roman empire.
DeceiptfulDomino 9 months ago
@notjam3 I watched a BBC documentary tonight where they totally did that..."Catholic Christians..." was the oft quoted statement....its incredible how most people have the wool pulled over their eyes.... The only thing he got right in the documentary was when speaking of the Bolsheviks and their crusade to destroy Orthodox Churches in Russia...."In the Soviet New World Order there is no place for God..." Unfortunately the backers of the Bolsheviks, The Catholic Church, have not gone away...
tiarnan76 9 months ago
Fuck yeah escambia county
TheEmptyHunter 11 months ago
@tiarnan76... Distant past. Happy to talk but don't get mad at me or assume you know what sort of christian I am. God bless
bagospannerz 1 year ago
@tiarnan76 ..would a loving god expect us to figure out that evolution is a lie? As for the science part - where are you getting your science information? Polystrate fossils have been thoroughly explained - and as for marine life on mountains - look up tectonic plates. If evolution is a lie, then I do want to know - but I have seen no evidence that it is a lie, and no evidence that the earth is 6,000 years old. We see light from galaxies billions of years away from us. This is looking into the
bagospannerz 1 year ago
@tiarnan76 hi there. Thanks for comments, but please don't shout at me - and it's quite mean to imply that I don't study the bible - I do every day. Firstly, I didn't meant all of genesis but clearly the creation account is not literal. You see evolution is a lie from Satan - the bible says gods creation cannot lie. If god made the earth to look as though we are evolved, then that god is a deceiver. If Satan can corrupt the earth so it looks like we evolved, then gods creation is lying. How wou
bagospannerz 1 year ago
It's called NATURAL SELECTION, this means it's only made by NATURE, not HUMANISTIC SELECTION, using human criteria.
aditzzaaa 1 year ago
@assassinsrock when Jesus says he is the bread of life, that is not literal but a metaphor. There are people who like the teachings of Jesus and try to follow them, but don't accept god. It's sad that so many different types of belief are all put under the umbrella Christianity when they differ and often look nothing like what Jesus is. I hope that helps a little and I am happy to talk more.
bagospannerz 1 year ago
@assassinsrock hi there. Thanks for the comments. I don't believe the bible was written by god - it says itself that it isn't. But the men who wrote it were inspired to write it by the holy spirit. Mens personal writing style, opinions and pain can be seen. In the song of songs book, it's a tad raunchy in places - god certainly did not write that. There are lots of different kinds of writings in the bible, poetry, letters, laws, and each need to be interpreted in a particular way.
bagospannerz 1 year ago
@tiarnan76 hi there. I don't really understand your question. I am a Christian because I have faith in Jesus. Nothing else is required. Genesis is not a literal account. The bible is not to be taken entirely literally. Accepting evolution does not cost me my salvation. There is a staggering amount of evidence for evolution, and none for special creation. I am still a Christian but I accept evidence, and not the lies of creationist teachers. God bless
bagospannerz 1 year ago
@bagospannerz You're a part of the VERY small minority of christians I can stand, believe whatever you want to, but if you want to get in the way of scientific advancement you WILL be crushed. Although I do find it odd how people believe something with that supposedly has divine inspiration can't be taken literally, and is subject to human (and as the book clearly states, imperfect) interpretation. Care to shine some light on the matter? I've always been curious to understand that logic.
assassinsrock 1 year ago
@bagospannerz Genesis is not a literal account? Have you ever studied the Table of Nations? The sons of Noah gave rise to the names of all nations, which is why you have the Semites (I'm sure you've heard the term "anti Semitic) who are todays Arabs and were called after Shem -or in Africa, Ethiopians are still called the Cushites and are obviously named after Cush etc That is a LITERAL genealogy - watch the lecture by Paul Griffiths.
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@bagospannerz Genesis is the word of God and this is what is written - Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Do you understand what is being written - LITERALLY? After their own kind means there cannot be evolution. God knew some day that Satan would promulgate the lie of evolution - this is why you should take God's word literally.
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@bagospannerz Or how about the Flood, do you think that happened? Have you ever studied the tonnes (literally) of evidence for the flood? The pre-flood builders were far more advanced than us - study the megaliths in Baalbek, Tiahuanaco, Cuzco etc stone plinths weighing thousands of tonnes - but many of the plinths are strewn about like lego - showing a sudden disaster took place - then you have the underwater structures in Nan Madol, Yonaguni, Bimini etc (contd)
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@tiarnan76
'The pre-flood builders were far more advanced than us'
Right, but only one person managed to build a boat to escape the flood which he filled to the brim with dinosaurs and all the beasts of the earth. Don't waste your time replying because no one cares you tiresome God-botherer. You have no scientific authority and creationists publish nothing; go back to sleep and let mankind progress instead of threatening hell fire if others dont believe in Bronze age legends like you.
motorcitycobra2009 11 months ago
@motorcitycobra2009 So have you studied anything that I wrote about? No...just another evolutionist fuckwit screaming with his hands over his ears. You dont even disregard the tonnes of evidence, you simply dont bother investigating it - which is what Einstein meant when he said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" - Now tell me this - who dya think people would rather hear from, someone whos erudite or someone who sits watching Family Guy while wanking his dog?
tiarnan76 11 months ago
@tiarnan76
There are Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Atheist, Agnostic, Communist, Capitalist, Anarchist and Calvinist (ad infinitum) evolutionists but only the truly scientifically illiterate like yourself subscribe to a literal interpretation of Genesis. You are too contaminated by bias & fear of judgement to be seriously debated on the subject. As to why I don't read your 'evidence'; if someone claimed 'the Stork' as an alternative to sexual reproduction I'd ignore that cock-head too!
motorcitycobra2009 11 months ago
@tiarnan76 Considering that you are a creationist, it seems fairly likely that whatever you wrote had no substance to be studied. Certainly in all the time I have spent studying creationist literature, I have never encountered any new arguments, just the same arguments repeated ad nauseum, with the same bad logic and complete misrepresentation and misunderstanding of facts. If creationists have truth on their side, why are ALL creationist arguments based on falsehoods?
notthecheatr 9 months ago
@notthecheatr This is a debate that won't last long. Why don't you bring up one specific point and we can discuss it, I'll let you choose. The great thing is I used to be an evoltuionist until I actually started to study facts. Do you know why there's not one single piece of evidence to support evolution (oh sorry, besides the Piltdown Man) because there is no such thing as evolution. But by all means come back to me with your nonsense and we'll have some fun.
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 Hahaha, not one single piece of evidence? How about the entire fossil record and the genetic code of all life on earth?
The truth is that it's impossible for there to be evidence in favor of something magically being created out of thin air. Even if evolution had no evidence at all, it would still be inherently more probable than creationism because creationism involves magic rather than naturalism. Creationism is not science and explains nothing.
notthecheatr 9 months ago
@notthecheatr The entire fossil record? Theres not a single scientist that would make that claim (creationist or evolutionist) so you'll have to back that up. The genetic code, or DNA as most people would refer to it, is proof of a creator, unless of course you think the coding for video games, or coding for any software just arises over billions of years without the input of any intelligence. So how do 3 billion pieces of genetic information just code themselves? & you say you're not into magic
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 Watch this video. (watch?v=efpjE_wg_1M) It should answer some of your concerns you have with the theory of evolution.
Pagweb 9 months ago
@Pagweb My only concern about evolution is how people are so easily fooled by such a blatant fallacy.
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 What do you mean by easily fooled?
Pagweb 9 months ago
@Pagweb Well, is there not one area of evolution you think...hmmm well that kinda doesnt add up....?
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 No. Not really... Would you mind pointing one out?
Pagweb 9 months ago
@Pagweb Name one pillar of evolution and Ill destroy it in 400+ characters....
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 I'm not sure what you mean by "pillar"... How about Natural Selection?
Pagweb 9 months ago
@Pagweb Natural Selection refines the species and keeps the species strong - in no way does if support evolution and the "mutation" theory...it goes absolutely 100% against it. As Darwin said in Ch 9 of Origin Of the Species ...one of his major problems with the theory of evolution is that every species is so perfect in its own right. Natural Selection works in keeping it this way. Where are all the millions of "gradients" from one species to the next? There aren't any.
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 First, I don't like the language you use; please be more specific--specially in that first sentence. Second, explain to me how Natural Selection goes against the Theory of Evolution. In Chapter 9 of On the Origin of Species, Darwin explains how the imperfections fossil record at the time to can't prove his theory; please tell me the page where he says species are perfect. There are plenty of transitional fossils; just Google "transitional fossils list".
Pagweb 9 months ago
@Pagweb Natural Selection is basically like quality control - very often in the wild when a baby is born with a defect the other animals will eat it or kill it. This doesnt lead to a change in species but serves to keep that particular species pure. A mutation by the way is a DEFECT in genetic code and NEVER enhances the original species. Its like saying if a programmer gets code wrong youd have a better video game - its absolutely ludicrous.
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 ''A mutation is a DEFECT in genetic code'' NO, it is a change in the genetic code. Any change is ''new information''. A change in the species is called evolution.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@gregrutz Great - give an example of an advantageous mutation so, because Richard Fucking Dawkins surely cant.
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 Feathers of dinosaurs are an advantageous mutation.
Darwin didn't even know about mutations and showed how evolution happens.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@gregrutz From a peer-reviewed paper called, "TOWARD A REALISTIC MODEL OF MUTATIONS AFFECTING FITNESS, (Peter D. Keightley and Michael Lynch, Universih of Edinburgh, Institute of Cell, Animal and Population Biology, U.K.)
"A great deal of evidence from several sources strongly suggests that the overall effects of mutations are to reduce fitness."
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 Mutation is not Evolution. It just provides for variation and 'new information''
gregrutz 8 months ago
@gregrutz
"In summary, the vast majority of mutations are deleterious.
This is one of the most well-established principles of evo-
lutionary genetics, supported by both molecular and quan-
titative-genetic data."
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 So? What is your point? Darwin didn't even know about mutations.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@gregrutz My point is - Darwin had major problems with his theory - I was asked to provide evidence so I gave one quote (of the countless I could have used) peraphrasing "all animals being so well defined - where are the millions of variations..." So you resort to a typical pro evolutionist tactic - ooh youre quote mining. Thats pathetic - Ill let you quote anyone you want - but when it comes down to facts you've no hope - so bring it on mon ami.
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 Darwin is dead. His ideas are 150 years out of date. Proving him wrong proves nothing. He had not problem with his theory, he had problems coming up with any transitional fossils. We have hundreds of them know. The first dinosaur with feathers was found 10 years after he published, and it has been accpeted ever since.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@tiarnan76
"ooh youre quote mining"
Yes you you ignorant creatard, if you are so stupid as to be a creatard then you cant be educated as to why quote mining (lying about what people mean) is so low.
What the hell do you think it means anyway it doesnt procve anything its the quote you cretards usually use which cuts off the end part which hammers home reality, but creatards want to pretend it says somthing els eso the leave out that part on purpose.
gorilla199uncensored 8 months ago
@Pagweb I did make a mistake however it was ch 6 - the quote by darwin is - First, why, if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 Darwin was wrong about some things. His ideas are 150 years out of date. He is dead. Do you think proving him wrong or quote mining him will prove Evolution does not happen? LOL
gregrutz 8 months ago
@gregrutz What about the Sumerians when they first put forward the idea of life coming from a primodial soup thousands of years ago and evolving from that? how out of date were they? Dya think Darwin was the first with this theory you utter fuckwit - and dont fuckin LOL me you cunt.
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 Evolution, the process and fact, has been obvious for centuries. Darwin came up with the reason [theory] as to how it works. IDiot.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 Good thing Scientists found the transitional fossils:Epidexipteryx hui, Protoavis, Protarchaeopteryx, Archeopteryx, Avimimus, Sinosauropteryx, Caudipteryx, Rahonavis, Shuvuuia, Sinornithosaurus, Beipiasaurus, Microraptor, Nomingia, Epidendrosaurus, Cryptovolans, Scansoriopteryx, Yixianosaurus, Dilong, Pedopenna, Jinfengopteryx, Sinocalliopteryx, Sinornis, Ambiortus, Hesperornis, Ichthyornis
gregrutz 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 '' that every species is so perfect in its own right''
Darwin was right. All species are complete species. There are not animals that were trying to change into something else. All species were the best at that time. Most are extinct, no dinos, no trilobites.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 On the contrary, the fossil record is very good evidence as it supports the predictions made by evolutionary theory. Genetics, on the other hand, is the ace in the hole. We can use genetics to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are your mother's child - not a common creator, but her actual child. Likewise, we can prove that humans are descended from apes. Genetics does not prove magickal creation because nothing can! Life did not arise via magick, but via the eons of evolution.
notthecheatr 9 months ago
@notthecheatr Leave magick out of it silly boy. No give me evidence of one fossil that proves evolution, I really cant wait to see this. And youre right genetics is the ace in the hole - it proves we all came from a common mother and fater which totally supports The Biblical account of Creation - namely Adam & Eve. Speaking of making something from nothing, or "magick" as you like to refer to it as - where did the initial matter in the universe come from?? (duhhhhhhhh)
tiarnan76 9 months ago
@tiarnan76 Since Creationism requires magick in order to work, there is no way to discuss creationism without discussing magick.
Not only does genetics prove we all came from a common mother and a common father, it also proves that they lived millions of year apart. Furthermore, it also proves that we have common ancestry with apes.
The origin of the matter is not related to evolution at all, but since you bring it up it came from a singularity that expanded about 13.7 billion years ago.
notthecheatr 8 months ago
@notthecheatr What magick is needed? Would a uni-celled organism think to itself (bear with me on this) "haha oh yeh right, multicellular organisms that can build houses, drive cars and make ice cream??!! - what a load of shite that is..!!" said the unicellular organism. But lo and behold here we are - comparitive gods to our unicellular ancestors-are you saying evolution can't continue as to supercede present day humans and in fact lead to godhhod? perhaps with the ability to create universes?
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@notthecheatr If you're saying this is the end of the evolutionary tree for us - how can you prove that. If not you must say how you know our capacities will be limited. Par example compare your cousins the ape to modern day man. I think Stanley Kubricks 2001 a Space Odyssey summed that up best when the ape through a fossil (the "adanced" weaponry of the ape) and it time-lapsed into a spaceship - the contrast is pretty stark, non? So if evolution is correct why cant we become "godlike"?
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@notthecheatr *threw - not through
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@notthecheatr Sorry my spelling is shit when i type fast *adVanced not adanced ;)
tiarnan76 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 your logic is shit too.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@tiarnan76 There is no evidence for a global flood. What is the name of the flood mud layer with all the dead bodies in it? Where did 29,029 feet of water go?
gregrutz 8 months ago
@bagospannerz You have marine life on Mt Everest, and many other mountain tops; you've got Polystrata forests growing through many layers of soil again disproving the soil was deposited over millions of years. The word science means to know, eolution is a lie because I've studied Genesis and have seen the overwhelming proof. As for proof of evolution? Theres absolutely nothing. If you think being a Christian exclues you from studying and knowing the Bible - you couldnt be more wrong.
tiarnan76 1 year ago
He's in Jail where he belongs. LMFAO
dirtydonki 1 year ago
Even if natural selection definitely caused people to kill (which is nonsense), in what way would that invalidate the theory? It's either true or it isn't. What people choose to do with or how they choose to interpret scientific information is a different subject entirely.
truthiness2010 1 year ago 2
Well it seems that understanding natural selection causes you to kill people, I get it
stoverce 1 year ago
Hitler Selection = Natural Selection
right?
urantivirus 1 year ago
A facepalm isn't quite enough here. The "teachers" in the school my sister was sucked into by religious friends taught science exactly as flawed as this. She left because it was bullshit and hi-fives ensued. Also, while she passed college biology courses comfortably, not a single student that came from that school passed. Gogo Christian schools! PS- They thought she was the devil.
fluffcore21 1 year ago
@opethnation hi there. I agree with you somewhat. I know that there are many things in the bible that are difficult and monstrous to us. I struggle with many things in the bible - but as a Christian we believe that Jesus is the perfect picture of god and has the full character of god. I will offer no excuses for the horrific things in the bible - all I can say is that I still have faith. I hope you will at least respect my honesty. I will try to answer any questions you may have. God bless
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TIME4LOGIC 1 year ago
Natural selection is merely a mechanism of evolution, is it not?
Jude2Mahoney 1 year ago 21
@Jude2Mahoney Yes. Evolution is an undeniable fact (though in scientific terms it is a theory, not to be confused with hypothesis as the creationists, none of whom seem to possess a dictionary are wont to do), demonstrated by overwhelming evidence, with none to the contrary.
Natural Selection is the Darwinian theory outlining the mechanism by which evolution is achieved, and it is is also supported by a wealth of evidence but it is not the only mechanism.
truthiness2010 1 year ago 2
@Jude2Mahoney Basically yes. Natural selection explains how evolution works. Many people take the term and spin it so it matches their own view of the world. Remember the world "natural". Natural selection happens all the time in large groups of organisms so the species can adapt, survive, and multiply within a given environment.
chachee99 1 year ago
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@Jude2Mahoney Basically yes. Natural selection explains how evolution works. Many people take the term and spin it so it matches their own view of the world. Remember the world "natural". Natural selection happens all the time in large groups of organisms so the species can change to adapt, survive, and multiply within a given environment.
chachee99 1 year ago
Exodus 21:17, KJV:
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@bkkhngr81 hi there - sorry for delay in reply - I am disabled. I don't personally know any websites - I will look around and see what I can find. A great book is language of god by Francis Collins - that might help. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to help - and I won't be upset if you don't believe me. Fire away my friend. God bless
bagospannerz 1 year ago
Lolz, just like any good Christian he is a total hypocrite.
DuykRuyk 1 year ago
I am a Christian, and I sincerely apologise for misguided creationists who damage science and faith in one blow. Not all Christians deny evolution - and not all of us are out to mislead others. I praise anyone who puts in time to educate others. Whatever your beliefs - respect each other and love each other. god bless
bagospannerz 1 year ago 39
@bagospannerz please direct me to some place where I can find out how Christians reconsile all the insanity of the bible with modern science.
I'm not being a prick, I swear!! Yes, I'm going to be difficult to convince but I can't even find a video or website in/on which anyone even puts forth anything remotely sensible.
Bkkhngr81 1 year ago
@bagospannerz thank you its nice to hear that from a theist other then your going to burn thank you very much and i hope your journey to knowledge is a fruitful one
Lariasio 1 year ago
@bagospannerz Sorry, that's not good enough. You believe in a god that finds it appropriate to test the faith of his "servants" by telling them to murder their own children. God's kill count in the old testament outnumbers 1.5 million. You believe in a monster.
OpethNation 1 year ago
@bagospannerz We nee more ppl like you lol and I'm saying that as an Atheist.
njintau 1 year ago
@bagospannerz How are you a Christian? Have you read the Bible? Where in Genesis does God talk about evolution?
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@tiarnan76 maybe when the snake lost his legs =)))))
aditzzaaa 1 year ago
@bagospannerz Maybe you should be wondering why all these Creationists who all seem to have a personal relationship with God, are this mind numbingly stupid and ignorant. Wouldn't God say to Hovind during one of his prayers, "Dude, wtf man?"
DeathKnight725 1 year ago
@bagospannerz No apologies needed. It is not the fault of the Christian alone that causes people like Mr. Hovind. It's anyone that wishes to make money off the foolish by selling them a snake oil answer to a realistic question.
Richardisdorky 10 months ago
@bagospannerz I have several Christian friends , and they all think Kent Hovind is an embarrassing dickhead.
No apology needed
ilikezappa 10 months ago
@bagospannerz
I am a Christian and I sincerely apologize for you sincerely apologizing and for believing atheist views. If you dont have a backbone now and love the approval of the lost then it will be hard for you when the New World Order is set.
Maybeshesbornwithitt 8 months ago in playlist All Thunderfoot Videos Part 1
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@Maybeshesbornwithitt There is no god, and evolution is a fact, just because you deny it means nothing, only that you are an idiot. There will ofcourse be no new world order. You are wasting your life. Religion was used to bind the weak minded...good to see its still doing its job.
itchygonads 3 months ago
@bagospannerz
yea i'm catholic and i still believe in evolution
490er 6 months ago
@490er sorry to but in, but how can you believe Jesus died for your sin when at the same time you believe that death brought man into the world instead of the biblical explanation of man brought death into the world, you cant have it bothe ways, if monkeys had to keep dying for man to exist than Jesus didnt need to die for sin because death was there before sin, evolution isnt true anyway a lo of scientists will say that.
jamesearlcash500 3 months ago
@jamesearlcash500 lol yea that was mostly put their because one of my relatives was looking at my youtube account so i wanted it to look like i wasn't Atheists
my whole family is Roman Catholic so they'd probley try to convert me if they found out i was Atheists
so sorry about that
490er 3 months ago
@490er oh ok fair enough, can i ask why your an athiest just out of curiosity?
jamesearlcash500 3 months ago
@jamesearlcash500 ahh why not
well i don't believe in god because i don't see how their could be a "god" with this world being in such a mess
their is no fairness left in the world
even in america your not "equal"
america is different because were devided up by our IQ level and everyone looks onto each other just like that
so my point is if their was even a "god" i would refuse to worship such a being for being so cruel to us and letting this to go on
490er 2 months ago
@490er That isn't the God of the bible though, i understand what your saying here but its not God's fault, thats what people do, Jesus said love your enemys, do good to others, don't run after money and stres about all that, he said focus on love and fellowship, if people did listen to God we wouldnt be in this mess lol, and because the world is in a mess that means you should just join in? why? If you follow Christ youll set a much better example and have great joy in doing so.
jamesearlcash500 2 months ago
@jamesearlcash500 lol you just went agaist what you said!!!!
i'm an Atheist but i actually see everyone as equal
i never hurt anyone or make fun of someone
if i hear something bad about someone that i don't know i don't instanly take that for truth
the sad fact is that Atheists are more likely to stay out of jail then a christain
a christain is actually more likely to end up commiting a seriuos crime such as murder or rape
why???
because some christains that they can get away with anythin
490er 2 months ago
Love it!!! So what Hovind was really saying is that Hitler did what he did according to the will of God.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
@gupsphoo The video is edited. He was making a reference to what asshole hitler thought and they cut it to "criminalize" Hovind.
bossoholic 1 year ago
@bossoholic May be. May be not. But that doesn't change the fact that Hitler's thoughts and actions were heavily influenced by his Christian beliefs. Don't believe me? Do a search for "Mein Kampf" in wikiquote . com.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
@gupsphoo That may have been hitlers view on Christianity (well his "version" of it anyway). That does not mean that it is the Godly way. Anyone can use any thing as an excuse for their evil deeds, even blaming it on Christianity.
bossoholic 1 year ago
@gupsphoo Why do you love it? so you can carry on sinning? so others ae justified in there sin? so a murderers and rapists can do what they do and blame it on theyre common animalistic ansetrory? Lets look at the facts here you can twist Hovinds words all you like but as Jesus said "The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil." you want avoid the good that Jesus is, and continou sinnig without the worry of eternal hell, but Christ offers forgiveness.
jamesearlcash500 2 months ago
The mentally insane does not represent everyone that believes in natural selection.
VideoHunter13 1 year ago
Hovinds ignorance is astounding.
nolobede 1 year ago
That was great, thanks Thunderf00t.
gregrutz 1 year ago
He PWNs himself so beautifully <3
Jussimania 1 year ago
hitler was catholic. kent hovind fail
teedonster 1 year ago
@teedonster According to Kent's reasoning Hitler is God himself.
fc007 1 year ago
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Kent Hovind is so hilarious.
He doesn't even know the bare fundamentals of biology or any science for that matter.
It is actually on the level of comedy for an educated person to listen to him speak. :)
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
Well, some say scientists are piling on the evidence. I don't think any atheist could convince anyone that there is no "god" better than people like Kent Hovind does in his films. Irrational, disconnected and just pure comedy for those of us who think for ourselves. This is a true gem (pun not intended at first, but it caught on eventually).
GlennoMr 1 year ago
I don't agree with everything this guys says necessarily. All I will say is that natural selection is false as Christians well know, and thats one of the things I do agree with Kent about.
xhemexx 1 year ago
@xhemexx "All I will say is that natural selection is false as Christians well know"
That christians well know, huh. If it were false, you'd think that another group of people who don't believe a conflicting ideology on a basis of faith would have noticed it too.
Funny how only christians 'know' it's false
mattb521 1 year ago
@xhemexx
Come again?
"...natural selection is false as Christians well know..."
Got any evidence to support that?
goal2004 1 year ago
@xhemexx NO, god is false !
gateman42 1 year ago
Moron.
cutes22 1 year ago
If evolution denies the work of God that can be seen in the material world, of cause it is from the devil. It´s interesting and all in line with what the scriptures tells us...Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
avilakaj 1 year ago
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
This guy is a retard comparing Adolf Hitler to Charles Darwin.
ThisguyBobbo 1 year ago
the grand canyon was created by water.... how much proof do you need besides the canyon itself? or maybe the atheist is right and the random meaninglessness got out it's shovel and dug it out for no reason...lol that's what I teach my kids.
romney27 1 year ago
@romney27 Please learn the reason behind one's argument before arguing against it.
flywiththisboy 1 year ago
I bet Thunderf00t wouldn't last half an hour in a debate with Kent or even his idiot son for that matter (nice guy though). Its pretty easy to talk about someone when they can't defend themselves isn't it? In fact a woman did the same thing you are doing, claiming Kent was wrong and so he went over there and defended himself and won. Watch Kent Hovind's answering critics he talks about her there.
Matthewray22 1 year ago
@Matthewray22 because he would throw up hearing his crap. kent is a hypocrite. he accepts anything unless it goes against his believes, that's bios.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
Thunderf00t..... you have twisted Hovind words out of context - and you know it.
Btw, I saw your debate with Ray Comfort on DVD....
doctorh2005 1 year ago
I agree
anointedemcee 1 year ago
@doctorh2005 I agree
Matthewray22 1 year ago
@doctorh2005 - On the contrary. Hovind has manipulated the fact that a murderer had natural selection on his t-shirt, therefor obviously "Evolution is the work of Satan" or some other bullshit. Besides, Hovind is the master of taking shit out of context. Take for instance, his use of the words "Adolf Hitler" after every reference to anything negative.
Hardysamnin 1 year ago
@wjc252006
the last president who was in power George Busch had alot to do with why America is screwed up because of his disturbingly large amounts of spending, horrible forieng policy (claming god told him to invade iraq pissed off the Mideast) failure to stop outsourcing and grossly under regulating the banks and poorly planed stimulus packages. this man was a christian.
00Alderamin 1 year ago
@wjc252006
morality is both an inherent survival skill and decision making processes based on what society tells us is acceptable. my decisions come from a logical analysis of reality, i would like to think that the human race does not need fear of a false deity to stop them from killing people. In many situations what may be perceived as moral can be a highly moral thing. fighting off the Germans with murder lying to not hurt a persons feelings ect.
00Alderamin 1 year ago
So there should be no laws your basicly saying. If your not saying that then How should laws be enforced. God gave many chance to the people of the earth, even his own people. He did this over and over and over. God is a Just God and if you believe at all in Justice you would understand that after a while God would have to punish evil, because it spreads. Oh I just type I don't proof read my comments, no one gets perfect, everyone makes mistakes when typing fast.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006 Typing fast doesn't produce errors such as confusing "one" for "won", "their" for "there", and repeatedly substituting "lieing" for lying. If you want to come across as a thoughtful and intelligent individual, I would suggest proof-reading.
danielwerre 1 year ago
I have never believed in God, I was taught Darwinian evolution at school and understand that life itself can be boiled down to principles of science...
I'm not going out on a nightly killing spree.
I'm living proof that morality doesn't need God.
MeBeMat 1 year ago
no one says that every darwinian evolutionist will be a killer but there is more evil then killing. There is fornication, adultery, Homosexuality, covetness, greed, lieing, stealing, cheating, ect. It doesn't matter if you havn't done the worse ones that you yourself believe is bad. You are making a relative argument and if a killer or rapist thought it was morally sound to do his crimes they are still wrong. How do you decide right from wrong as an Evolutionist and or atheist.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006 Your argument that the relative prominence of such behaviors is greater among non-Christians is weak. Every behavior you point to can be found in all groups, because of human nature. Look at the mega-churches and our conservative, Christian politicians. Homosexuality, greed, and avarice abound...but it occurs everywhere. Morality and 'family values' is an EVOLUTIONARY adaptation...to do good and cooperate, as well as aggress to secure food, mates, shelter..all the needs of survival.
charadester 1 year ago
This does not proove one bit of evolution. Just because you can observe human behavior doesn't meen evolution exist. God created man to inhabit the earth and to take care of it, originally to live in relation to Him and. The Garden was an ideal place of provision in which God lived with man. Now we have to learn to follow our creator who spoke through men by the Holy Spirit of God. In the mean while our spirit strives against the devil and his devices that try to decieve us.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
" Just because you can observe human behavior doesn't meen evolution exist." True, but we can explain human behavior through evolution. Empathy and altruism, the building blocks of morality, are beneficial to any animal that lives in groups, be they bats, dogs, apes (including us), fish etc. All have shown these characteristics. The reason they are more prevalent in humans is because we have theory of mind, another evolutionary adaptation.
PaulFace 1 year ago
Evolution has no back up, while you dispute all I say you have not provided back up to your theory, that is why it is called a theory. Stop forcing your religion on people who just go to school to learn and even on here where kids look at this.We did not produce morals on our own, have you ever looked at a kid who did not watch worldy movies about 3 years old. They begin fighting over anything. They begin lying at the point they can speak, the even steal. That is hands on experience.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
"Evolution has no back up" This statement is false.
"that is why it is called a theory." tell me what the scientific definition of the word 'theory' is.
"Stop forcing your religion on people" I don't follow any religion.
Your point about children is easy to refute because of the way a child's mind and brain develops (we do not develop the ability to lie until about the age of 4) and it supports my argument that most of accepted morality is based on social conditioning.
PaulFace 1 year ago
It is a set of ideas that is intended to explain why something happens or exists. Synonyms- Hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, suppposition, speculation, postulation, proposition, premise, opinion, view, belief, contention. ideas- concepts, philosophy, ideology, thinking, principles. All of wich are not facts. Oh the kid I observed was 2 1/2 then turned 3 and was already behaving the way I explained no training in this area of lieing.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
Good, you have an online dictionary, so now tell me what the *scientific* definition is.
I did not say lying required training, I said it happens as the brain develops. If the kid could do it that young s/he'll probably turn out to have fantastic social skills and be very emotionally intelligent.
PaulFace 1 year ago
In home dictionary. Lieing is wrong it always has been. If the parents don't teach the kid which I know they will they are Christian but that goes to show that from birth sin is already there.
wjc252006 1 year ago
If you don't have accountability to God how can you tell right from wrong? You can't everyone is right in there own eyes. Wether you grew up in a house of where they taught you about God or not it is in our American system to follow after God morally. While the Fathers didn't want to force people to believe in God our system was set up to be a guide to a life of fredom, liberty, and persuit of hapiness. The forefathers expressed that without the Christian beleifs this contitution is useless
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
"f you don't have accountability to God how can you tell right from wrong?" I love this argument, you're basically saying if it wasn't for your faith you'd be a pedophile, rapist, murderer etc, but you're not because you fear god. Hypothetically, if it could be proven there was no god, would you start doing these things? Would you want to?
PaulFace 1 year ago
If it wasn't for the Bible we would not know right from wrong as you probably don't see anythng wrong with most the sins I have stated. God said he wrote the law on the hearts of everyone that is born. The Bible also says that Sin is enjoyable for a season. That is the law of you reap what you sew. You sew in sin you reap bondage and hard times. The Bible also says they didn't like to retain God in their knowledge so he gave them up to their own lust. That is why without a law there is chaos.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
This is circular logic, you believe in god because the bible tells you to believe in god.
How did people know right from wrong before the bible? What about people who have never heard of the bible (there are still some out there)? What about people who follow a different religion?
PaulFace 1 year ago
What do you mean before the Bible the Children of Israel had laws from Moses. Before that you may recall the Priest Machelsedek and God gave commands in Genesis that were past down.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
Ok so the bronze age cult existed for a while in the Middle East, but what about East Asia? South America? Northern Europe? Australia? North America? Africa? If the commands were passed down from Genesis, why did so many different creation myths occur? Why does geographic location of these myths correlate with their similarities? Is it because people invented them and told stories about them?
PaulFace 1 year ago
That was my question to you we use that as our evidence so your backward there. With so many from so many different places having a story that resembles the Biblical account but all having more of a human promotion obviously it wasn't ment to be a religion but a story to blind people to reality of the Truth of the Bible which had the Story, the Laws, the facts that actually have been found. None of the cities I believe have been found except where the story came from in the Epic.
wjc252006 1 year ago
That is what is happening today. Americans are selling out their freedoms to people who are evolutionist/ atheist who hate God and the fredom that he gives. What is going on in America today is the same as in Roman times Christians and other one God religions will not bow to man and Evolutionist who think they know it all but don't try to make the Christians bow down to a man saying God does not exist. I will not bow to myself nor any other man for my salvation is in the Lord.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006 the jeduo- christian god does not exist.
almost everything in the bible goes against all knowledge of history and science. the Romans had no record that Jesus was even a real person until 100+ years after he was dead and the only document that mentions him is the bible and books that were never placed in the bible.
00Alderamin 1 year ago
atheists make 12% of America, Christians make 60% of America, most people who vote in America are above the age of 40 sadly, people from that age group tend to be more conservative and christian. Christians currently control America since Thomas Jefferson i can not think of a president who was not christian.
00Alderamin 1 year ago
@wjc252006
"atheist who hate God" this is a fallacy, atheists can't hate god, if they hated him they'd believe in him. A lot of us hate people who believe in god though...
"the fredom that he gives. " I can't think of a single freedom offered by any god/s we can't make for ourselves.
"the same as in Roman times" You mean when the Roman Empire founded there own version of a bronze age desert cult to pacify pagans in Northern Europe?
PaulFace 1 year ago
freedom from the bonds of sin that even a non beleiver can see that the sins outlined in the Bible harm people and destroy lives. You don't understand freedom your bound and blind. You don't know freedom you think it is control like Obama wants to do. The freedoms you enjoy are because of the Christian teaching that came from out of under that roman pagan religion catholocism.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
What bonds of sin? Yes there are plenty of things that the bible says are bad that I don't do, there are also plenty of crazy things in there that I do, like eating meat on a Friday and wearing clothes made of mixed fabrics, my hair is cut short round the temples and I didn't stone my friend to death when she cheated on her boyfriend.
PaulFace 1 year ago
You really don't understand the Bible, you should study it more. You seem to know of scriptures but you don't understand them. There is an oral tradition that explains all the distortion you try to make of scripture. You have to line scripture up it interprets itself. If your a man that is good your hair is cut that is the Biblical way. And Jesus showed mercy on the Hore in the Bible but he told her to sin no more so I am glad you did not stone her.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
My point was that absolute morality does not exist, in the bible or anywhere else.
If it's followers being nice make a religion more true, why aren't you a Hindu or Buddhist?
It doesn't matter how you interpret the bible, as there are thousands of Christian denominations who interpret it differently.
PaulFace 1 year ago
Absolute morality does exist. God is absolute mrally right in all his doings His moral is our moral, even if you don't believe. You are taking quite a chance to not believe God is not going to say free pass you have been good, although you heard of me you are a morally good person. The problem is that the devil doesn't want people to worship God so he gets them to believe they are good. Hindu and Buddah do not speak of moral accountability, therefore people can live they immoral life they want.
wjc252006 1 year ago
Your right about the differnt denominations and it is unfortunate that so many have departed from Bible teaching. The problem with Christianity was that it has become unitarian for the most part incorperating slightly pagan beliefs like the Trinity, and belief only. The Bible itself has not changed though and that is what atheist should understand that the Bible is distince from other Religious books because it doesn't delete the bad history, it doesn't hide anything showing the flaws of man
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006 whats to understand?
ezelite 1 year ago
@wjc252006
"How do you decide right from wrong" Interesting question, I suppose it's similar to the way you do, but we don't need the threat of eternal damnation to stop us.
Society imposes it's sense of morality onto us, that's why killers who think they are doing the right thing are regarded as psychopaths, and why morality is not absolute as you claim.
I think it's funny that you gave homosexuality a capital H. Is there something you're not admitting to yourself?
PaulFace 1 year ago
Society Got morals from Bible teaching and cultural teaching according to the Bible. American law is full of Christianity and the Fathers said with out the Christian God there is no constitution. God will judge killers and as Christians I believe they should be killed for killing. If they want to make there life right before by repenting God can have forgiveness but it is not just saying a prayer it is giving your life to God. We don't need damnation to do right we do it because we love God.
wjc252006 1 year ago
The way I do is I see if the Bible- Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth, says that any thought or deed is wrong. If it is I avoid it to the best I can. I am not perfect nor will not be until God comes to take me to heaven and glorify my body to a body that is incorruptable. I tend to capitalize topics or subpoints, sometimes I catch it sometimes I don't. I don't proof read a comment I write, this is not a book.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
Circular logic again, you do what the bible says because god will be angry if you don't and you believe in god because of the bible.
PaulFace 1 year ago
I believe in God because of the bible has never been prooved wrong in any respect. I see God in scientific studies, in nature, and I speak in tongues that is not of man and no it is not 3 or 4 words repeated, it happens to be different all the time. Sometimes it can be reptetitive but they are just sounds that block the devil from understanding God speaking to His creation.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006
Fine, now prove to me that Lord of the Rings never happened.
As far as speaking in tongues goes, an argument from personal experience is no evidence at all.
PaulFace 1 year ago