@devotee108 No, the GBC says that anyone who worships a pure devotee is bogus and has to be banned, beaten and shot, they say, you have to worship pedophiles like Kirtanananda, I just posted the pics of big GBC leaders worshiping a known pedophile and giving him a samadhi in Vrndvana, the policy is, you must worship pedophiles or get beaten and banned, sorry, no one is allowed to worship pure devotees. Its verboten. ys pd
mahabrahmana, I dont agree with you.. knowing this not make me turning from Krishna... I am a new comer, not qualified to become devotee.. but knowing this not making me turning..
Pada jee ...I must say that you have made lots of good research on theses intricate stories .
but you leave out ...the responsabiliy of Swami Bhaktivedanta ..
His ...no sex exept for reproduction teachings...his giving sanyas ..to .totally unprepare young men ....some obviously GAY ...taking los of money from shady diciples ..(no questions ask ).he made lots of mistakes.
So in 1970 ...4 leaders lock him up in a room ..... he came out ...and things was as usual ...Whats that about
Narayan Maharaja abandoned his own teen aged wife after he made her pregnant. Is that abuse? Then he supported the false GBC gurus and this aided and abetted the molesting, murdering and deviations. NM also supports attacks on our food distribution progrmam, we are feeding nearly a million people a day and he says we are bogus poison, because he wants to starve a million people a day? So he is not doing the crimes himself, but he has supporting the criminals who are doing the crimes. thanks pd
srila prabhupada was so aware of these neophytes and their theivary. he said many times that they want him gone so they can rule the kingdom..sad but yes they are deviator demons and they killed him then and they are still doing it as their perverted minds lead them to change books that they have obviously not followed much less mastered..be it known if you go to iskcon temples you are participating in the demonic deviation of its founder acharya. as they vote in pure devotees. pure evil
Sridhara M. and Narayana M. were involved in this mess? They are the Gaudiya Math Gurus? If this is true, I wonder how many of their disciples know this?
Sridhara M created a bi-sexual guru imbroglio in 1936 Gaudiya Matha resulting in dissenters (ok folks like me) being beaten, skulls cracked, and murdered. SM's guru's son was killed with poison and his guru committed suicide. Narayana M's book says "there was nothing wrong with this." Most SM and NM disciples are well aware of this history, and they think this is normal for messiahs. Not only wrong, but proud of it. No remorse. They said I was "an offender," trying to get me killed too.
pada108: Thank you so much for the input...you may have just saved me from making a very serious blunder. Is there a large number (however disorganised?) of former ISKCON devotees that still retain a Vaisnava heart and understnad Srila Prabhpada is the GURU? There were once thousands...right?
Does anyone know what happened to Ramesvara Swami, who was in charge of the Los Angeles temple? I hear he moved back to New York and was in trouble for being a slum lord. Any truth to that?
That is correct. Apparently Ramesvara was on court TV with some of his tennants suing him. I talked to a few of Ramesvara's former "enforcers" and they said Ramesvara was assisting Kirtanananda with Sulochana's murder. At one point Ramesvara wanted to resign and turn all of his disciples over to Srila Prabhupada, but Sridhara maharaja convinced him to remain a guru. Yes, he is supposed to be in NYC somewhere. If anyone knows where he is, let us know. He is a sad case. thanks pd
Thanks, but what is so "funny" about a bunch of foolish people claiming to be as gurus who are as pure as Jesus and God etc, and then we find thousands of kids are getting molested and dissenters getting beat and murdered? Why is this such a funny hah hah for you? What is funny here? You lost me dude! No one else thinks this is funny except yourself. We think this is all serious deviation, not funny hah hahs. This is fun? Banning, beating, molesting and murder is fun? What! ys pd
Not angry? Just dont agree with GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana or Jayadvaita who says that in ISKCON gurus "engage in illicit sex with men, women and maybe chidren." Thats not the qualification for Jesus-like saints? So I am exposing their anti-Jesus cult. You cannot "fix" fools, since fools attacked Jesus when he was here, rather you can simply expose the attackers and I am doing that. I say that people like Jesus are not sex fiends, drug addicts and criminals and I am winning the argument.
...Why such haste?.. speek alittle more about this important subject...
Pada prabhu, I think that bhuridajanah prabhu is not saying something which protects the bastards...no. I guess, he is just saying that he is not sure that SM and MN have been ever seriously endorsing those molesters...
Now... it is easy to say things about anybody.
...The fact is: those m...therf...ers who HAVE done the sh...t are alive and kicking...!
NOW, we are suing them in three court cases, and making good headway. What I am doing here though is: to show the history of how this all evolved; namely, the bogus GBC guru project was endorsed by Sridhara and Narayana and BP Puri et al. and this empowered the false gurus way further than they would have gone on their own power. Their endorsting policy made them more capable of doing harm to others. In order to fix the present we need to know history of how it started. Gita is history too!
As you carry on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything according to your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, provincial, and - I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision, PLEASE, while offering a little prayer at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada (who I'm sure is in uttama bhagavat devotional bliss regardless of what you think is good or bad) PLEASE try to accommodate this:
This is the whole problem: Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja supported the molester gurus project. THEN After the children were molested NM said "the children are just getting their karma." Who authorized Narayana to promote a child molester guru process and dish out other's karma? This is like robbing a bank and then telling the judge that the bank has the karma to be robbed. You guys say anything to justify the worship of criminals as messiahs. That is the problem. thanks pd
You butted in, commenting on what I was saying before I even finished. The comment you replied to was just the first half of what I wanted to say to you. And I was not saying "Ohh its their Karma so its OK" ..I was saying that your view of everything is influenced by your karmically acquired mindset (which seems to think that everything that happens is wrong unless it fits in with how you want things to be) Ever heard of the 'bigger picture'?
Now you are saying that when Narayana Maharaja supports a child molester guru program, and children get molested, this is the fault of Krishna, not Narayana Maharaja? You are blaming God and karma for the criminal acts. That is what we thought. No, Narayana Maharaja is to blame for his support of the child molester guru process, not God? God does not support criminal actions, He may allow them temporarily, but that does not mean he supports? So NM is creating bad karma, thats all. thanks pada
SM and Narayana Maharaja supported child molester worship you imply its ALL GOOD and Krishna's karma policy. No, child molester worship is NM's policy, not Krishna's. You imply that child molester worship is ALL GOOD and Krishna's fault? No its ALL EVIL and you are trying to blame God for NM's odious policy. Anway, our policy is to worship pure devotees, that is all being allowed by God. I guess we are right since we are allowed by God also? Sorry, God is not responsible for NM messing up.
...that Lord Krishna reserves the right to allow things to turn out in a way that even his pure devotees are surprised by, what to speak of you!
And Lord Krishna is ALL GOOD...remember?
How sad that it is that this comment will probably not stop you from carrying on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything with with your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, limited, provincial - and I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision....
@devotee108 No, the GBC says that anyone who worships a pure devotee is bogus and has to be banned, beaten and shot, they say, you have to worship pedophiles like Kirtanananda, I just posted the pics of big GBC leaders worshiping a known pedophile and giving him a samadhi in Vrndvana, the policy is, you must worship pedophiles or get beaten and banned, sorry, no one is allowed to worship pure devotees. Its verboten. ys pd
pada1008 3 months ago
mahabrahmana, I dont agree with you.. knowing this not make me turning from Krishna... I am a new comer, not qualified to become devotee.. but knowing this not making me turning..
devilsampah 6 months ago
Pada jee ...I must say that you have made lots of good research on theses intricate stories .
but you leave out ...the responsabiliy of Swami Bhaktivedanta ..
His ...no sex exept for reproduction teachings...his giving sanyas ..to .totally unprepare young men ....some obviously GAY ...taking los of money from shady diciples ..(no questions ask ).he made lots of mistakes.
So in 1970 ...4 leaders lock him up in a room ..... he came out ...and things was as usual ...Whats that about
johnandyokopeace 9 months ago
@articzoo ItsACon
tenthousandyearsgoon 10 months ago
Very very good history!!! Thank You!!!
GovindaZhygis 1 year ago
pada1008, How can I email you? I tried, but got a failure to deliver notice. I am 100% agreeing with your history. I was there!vd
johnnyforever108 2 years ago
at least narayana maharaja isnt a pedophile,liar,theif ,murderer,deviator,.
phsyco348 3 years ago
Narayan Maharaja abandoned his own teen aged wife after he made her pregnant. Is that abuse? Then he supported the false GBC gurus and this aided and abetted the molesting, murdering and deviations. NM also supports attacks on our food distribution progrmam, we are feeding nearly a million people a day and he says we are bogus poison, because he wants to starve a million people a day? So he is not doing the crimes himself, but he has supporting the criminals who are doing the crimes. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
srila prabhupada was so aware of these neophytes and their theivary. he said many times that they want him gone so they can rule the kingdom..sad but yes they are deviator demons and they killed him then and they are still doing it as their perverted minds lead them to change books that they have obviously not followed much less mastered..be it known if you go to iskcon temples you are participating in the demonic deviation of its founder acharya. as they vote in pure devotees. pure evil
phsyco348 3 years ago
Sridhara M. and Narayana M. were involved in this mess? They are the Gaudiya Math Gurus? If this is true, I wonder how many of their disciples know this?
OneHeart57 3 years ago
Sridhara M created a bi-sexual guru imbroglio in 1936 Gaudiya Matha resulting in dissenters (ok folks like me) being beaten, skulls cracked, and murdered. SM's guru's son was killed with poison and his guru committed suicide. Narayana M's book says "there was nothing wrong with this." Most SM and NM disciples are well aware of this history, and they think this is normal for messiahs. Not only wrong, but proud of it. No remorse. They said I was "an offender," trying to get me killed too.
pada1008 3 years ago
pada108: Thank you so much for the input...you may have just saved me from making a very serious blunder. Is there a large number (however disorganised?) of former ISKCON devotees that still retain a Vaisnava heart and understnad Srila Prabhpada is the GURU? There were once thousands...right?
OneHeart57 3 years ago
Hi Pada1008, the Iskcon history vidios are very clear and informative. Haribol, thanks
janbroadgodd 3 years ago
Does anyone know what happened to Ramesvara Swami, who was in charge of the Los Angeles temple? I hear he moved back to New York and was in trouble for being a slum lord. Any truth to that?
VirginiaSisters 3 years ago
That is correct. Apparently Ramesvara was on court TV with some of his tennants suing him. I talked to a few of Ramesvara's former "enforcers" and they said Ramesvara was assisting Kirtanananda with Sulochana's murder. At one point Ramesvara wanted to resign and turn all of his disciples over to Srila Prabhupada, but Sridhara maharaja convinced him to remain a guru. Yes, he is supposed to be in NYC somewhere. If anyone knows where he is, let us know. He is a sad case. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
This is funny, what do you want? became like us?
I'm sorry i dont' recommended you doing that...
:)
touruniversal 3 years ago
Thanks, but what is so "funny" about a bunch of foolish people claiming to be as gurus who are as pure as Jesus and God etc, and then we find thousands of kids are getting molested and dissenters getting beat and murdered? Why is this such a funny hah hah for you? What is funny here? You lost me dude! No one else thinks this is funny except yourself. We think this is all serious deviation, not funny hah hahs. This is fun? Banning, beating, molesting and murder is fun? What! ys pd
pada1008 3 years ago
and... my grammar is wrong.
this is funny what do you want?
what are u doing for change that?
became angry?
tell us your strategy?
touruniversal 3 years ago
Not angry? Just dont agree with GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana or Jayadvaita who says that in ISKCON gurus "engage in illicit sex with men, women and maybe chidren." Thats not the qualification for Jesus-like saints? So I am exposing their anti-Jesus cult. You cannot "fix" fools, since fools attacked Jesus when he was here, rather you can simply expose the attackers and I am doing that. I say that people like Jesus are not sex fiends, drug addicts and criminals and I am winning the argument.
pada1008 3 years ago
Weeeelll... prabhus!.. prabhus!..Please...
...Why such haste?.. speek alittle more about this important subject...
Pada prabhu, I think that bhuridajanah prabhu is not saying something which protects the bastards...no. I guess, he is just saying that he is not sure that SM and MN have been ever seriously endorsing those molesters...
Now... it is easy to say things about anybody.
...The fact is: those m...therf...ers who HAVE done the sh...t are alive and kicking...!
And, what to do now...?!
Wilfreed1 3 years ago
NOW, we are suing them in three court cases, and making good headway. What I am doing here though is: to show the history of how this all evolved; namely, the bogus GBC guru project was endorsed by Sridhara and Narayana and BP Puri et al. and this empowered the false gurus way further than they would have gone on their own power. Their endorsting policy made them more capable of doing harm to others. In order to fix the present we need to know history of how it started. Gita is history too!
pada1008 3 years ago
As you carry on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything according to your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, provincial, and - I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision, PLEASE, while offering a little prayer at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada (who I'm sure is in uttama bhagavat devotional bliss regardless of what you think is good or bad) PLEASE try to accommodate this:
bhuridajanah 4 years ago
This is the whole problem: Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja supported the molester gurus project. THEN After the children were molested NM said "the children are just getting their karma." Who authorized Narayana to promote a child molester guru process and dish out other's karma? This is like robbing a bank and then telling the judge that the bank has the karma to be robbed. You guys say anything to justify the worship of criminals as messiahs. That is the problem. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
You butted in, commenting on what I was saying before I even finished. The comment you replied to was just the first half of what I wanted to say to you. And I was not saying "Ohh its their Karma so its OK" ..I was saying that your view of everything is influenced by your karmically acquired mindset (which seems to think that everything that happens is wrong unless it fits in with how you want things to be) Ever heard of the 'bigger picture'?
bhuridajanah 3 years ago
Now you are saying that when Narayana Maharaja supports a child molester guru program, and children get molested, this is the fault of Krishna, not Narayana Maharaja? You are blaming God and karma for the criminal acts. That is what we thought. No, Narayana Maharaja is to blame for his support of the child molester guru process, not God? God does not support criminal actions, He may allow them temporarily, but that does not mean he supports? So NM is creating bad karma, thats all. thanks pada
pada1008 3 years ago
No, that is what is YOU are saying that I'm saying. I've commented enough. Even one comment was too many to be honest. Goodbye.
bhuridajanah 3 years ago
SM and Narayana Maharaja supported child molester worship you imply its ALL GOOD and Krishna's karma policy. No, child molester worship is NM's policy, not Krishna's. You imply that child molester worship is ALL GOOD and Krishna's fault? No its ALL EVIL and you are trying to blame God for NM's odious policy. Anway, our policy is to worship pure devotees, that is all being allowed by God. I guess we are right since we are allowed by God also? Sorry, God is not responsible for NM messing up.
pada1008 3 years ago
I think Pada want became guru... hasta la vista baby.
touruniversal 3 years ago
The history of Iskcon has to come out to the public. Thanks to Pada1008 efforts, that is happening,
janbroadgodd 3 years ago
...that Lord Krishna reserves the right to allow things to turn out in a way that even his pure devotees are surprised by, what to speak of you!
And Lord Krishna is ALL GOOD...remember?
How sad that it is that this comment will probably not stop you from carrying on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything with with your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, limited, provincial - and I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision....
bhuridajanah 4 years ago