@vestigialwings Also, I'm so sorry someone used offensive and profane language in a message to you. It was completely rude. I find it absurd that people swear on videos like this in "defense of their moral beliefs". If they proclaim to be a Christian, then they should follow what Jesus teaches in the Bible about not using obscene language but instead speak with gentleness.
@vestigialwings I just read ur question and it's funny that u argue from the point of the woman having a choice or an option in her situation (i.e. rape, her future, her relationship w/ her boyfriend). In that case, where is the baby's choice? I look @ it like this, rape is wrong, why, because you are violating someone else's body. Abortion is wrong because you are killing an innocent human being. Abortion even after rape is wrong because 2 wrongs don't make a right. Not saying it will be easy.
I don't understand the connection between ancient Israel, and the laws that God gave them to live under, and God's dealings with people. Has God EVER dealt with a people like He did Israel (on a national level), or place the demands of blessing or cursing by obedience or rebellion? I'm sure that abortion is an offense to God, but I can't see how ancient Israel's laws give any idea on how He will deal with it in the very different social conditions of the modern world. Unconfuse me plz.
@not2serious2 I'm no Lane, but I believe God made a covenant with "His People" which in the Old Testament was the people of Israel, and yet non-Israelites could join God nonetheless (Job wasn't an Israelite but was a child of God) and yet nowadays God has made a new Covenant in the New Testament with us. I think the idea of what God believes is wrong lives through both Testaments, but specific "civil laws" such as sacrifices are obsolete. the laws jesus fulfilles in dying are the only laws gone
GOD HELP US!! Saint Michael the Archangel, Defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, By the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.
I have an observation. It's good to know your bible like this, and know where God stands on abortion. but at the same time think. 5,000,000? America is overpopulated as it is. Besides selfish things like traffic etc. what about less than selfish things like food? ..the laws of occupancy limits that apply to environments? and oil and other things? do you really think theres enough to go around for (oh say about) 2030 or so with a birthrate like that?
on the topic, you can't tell young people "just don't have sex". the vatican needs to relax its rules on birth control (oops, "god" is going to provide divine wisdom to the pope) but he won't because as usual Christianity is on a race with the other religions to be #1, and this means procreating. wake up, overpopulation is going to result in a hell on earth. at least muslims aren't keeping their efforts a secret.
That is so sad, Lane, thanks for sharing. I look forward to more of these videos. More tragedy added to the multitude of slain babies are the broken women and men that have committed this sin, and the recalcitrant doctors who perform these "procedures" who need the gospel of Jesus Christ. All parties lose in this, not just the babies. :(
Wow! This is good Lane. Those scriptures are new to me. I was aware that God hates the shedding of innocent blood. He made that clear in Proverbs 6:17. People being silent when it comes to the abortion issue and how it's bringing judgement on this nation (SEVERE ECONOMIC WOES, DISEASES) that's a scary thought, but it is reality. If we've been silent we must repent! Thank you for sharing this vid! God Bless you bro.
@brokenbeforeU OMG, you can't seriously believe God is wreaking havoc on the US economy and causing disease because he's pissed about abortion? Let's see, Roe V Wade was around 1970, we've had a few downturns but also saw some of the best economic times in our history since then. And diseases.... how about the 1920 pandemic.... killed 20 million people and no abortions!
Jeez, what's next, God hates fags?
How about if girls don't use sex to get what they want they don't get knocked up?
@ProclaimHisWord Btw, did you read about what's happening in Pakistan? thousands of newborns are being thrown in trash heaps each year because of out of wedlock births and poverty---we are a depraved people!
@ProclaimHisWord Mark, are you aware that Margaret Sanger, the gal who founded Planned Parenthood, was racist to the core? One hobby horse that she rode was called Eugenics, and this was her way to decrease, if not eradicate, minority people groups.
Excellent video! If there is one criticism I have is that it is not broad enough. When I started considering what the US is doing to the unborn via abortion I was seriously considering moving to another nation. The problem is the are so many nations that do condone abortion, and even those that don't are not with out their own grievous national sins. So when he says "the judgement has already started" I agree, but it is not just on the US, it is on the Earth...
I've spent many tears on this subject. Having seen what happened in China to girl babies was enough to bowl me over. Having actually seen pictures of what happens to these precious little ones was too much. They didn't even get the chance to call out to God for salvation. I pray He will have mercy on them anyway.
We can repent, we can pray, we can seek The Almighty for answers. This vice affects all of us, yes even those of us who dont support it.
Oh how beautiful babies look, what a sweet gift they're to humanity. Indeed satan is so cunning, decieving millions into rallying for evil thing in the name of human rights.
Thank you my friend for sharing this message. If more moms and dads would share in a Bible study like this with their kids, we would be a greater nation and most importantly closer to God. It wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would teach the next generation the things of God. Thanks again, and may God bless you,
First of I am an Atheist so i don't believe in "sin" but I do believe in not taking abortion lightly. But if you get people to use a condom the amount of abortions and STD's would go down but the christian church opposes it since it's a "sin" to fornicate without purpose. The reason is that a lot of the followers are the unwanted kids who end up in a life of misery so i see the whole cycle to get born again christians. Remember that the smartest people on earth are active atheist!
@Jabulon666 Whether you are atheist or not, EVERYONE has the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. That is the product of Adam and Eve sinning. And everyone has a "sin nature". You don't have to believe in God to know that this is wrong. Honestly there is no such things as an Atheist. More like an ANTItheist. And with a name like JABULON (another name for Satan taken from Freemasonry)666(the number of a man) you obviously believe in a God but not the true and living God. But let's say that you really do
@Jabulon666 not believe in God. The bible says only a "FOOL" says he doesn't believe there is a God. So atheist (ANTI THEIST) are not so bright to be honest. If they were smart they'd see that they were being decieved by the very "Jabulon" (satan) you have named yourself after and realize that in the end they lose and those that are for and with the Lamb of God (JESUS CHRIST) win. Only a fool fights a battle against a God he doesn't believe in anyway, only to end up in hell at his life's end.
@Jabulon666 1. So what? If you're implying that bias means inaccurate, then you'll never sign another document in your life since every word is written by a human (inaccurate). Historians know that all photographs are biased: so does that mean that every photograph is somehow inaccurate?
2. Being a theist is the neutral point since atheism is man-made and not the other way around. See how arbitrary this statement is?: you only believe that b/c you've been taught that & you want to believe that.
I don't have to disprove anything since you can't divide zero, you on the other hand have to prove god to convince infidels like me!
By neutral point I meant that we are born atheist who then either "finds" god or not.
The bible was written in a time when people thought that earth was the center of the universe and inbreeding was a good thing, actual fact like contracts etc. are agreement and has nothing to do with fiction.
@Jabulon666 You response is senseless; turn to Jesus and He will give you a clearer mind.
"Holy is made up by men" -holy is an adjective; you can't "make" an adjective.
"I don't have to disprove anything since you can't divide zero" -wrong, and non sequitur
"we are born atheist" -no evidence, opposite may be true
" a time when people thought...earth was the center of the universe" -Earth may still be at the center of the universe (don't know b/c the size/extent of the universe is unknown)
What I have done is turned away from God when i put 2 and 2 together and didn't get the trinity I got 4! I do not think it's good to have faith and believes but you should know what is what and live by fact and knowledge.
We are born atheist because a child without the influences of religion will by default not believe in god, and that is fact.
Still adding god to the big bang doesn't make anything easier in understanding genesis!
@Jabulon666 I see that you realized that you were thoroughly exposed for your senseless, unfounded statements, and so you have concocted a new set of irrelevant and meaningless statements instead of responding to what I said/defending your original arguments. However, there is one assertion that you continue with: we are born atheist, so let's address that right now. I think many people's gut instinct is to say that many children accept God's existence,
Religion have only existed a few thousand years but humanity goes way back before that, so it's more like <0,1 of who ever lived that believed in god.
Children also believe in Santa, why? Because they are told that he is real, sounds familiar?
Original questions:
1.Comparing the bible to a legit documents is just crazy.
2.Atheism is the neutral point since your not adding anything! Believing is making an active choice.
@Jabulon666 I think I might as well give up since you don't respond to logic. Let me make it as clear as I can:
You said: "People are naturally born atheist, and have always been that way."
The point: Your statement is 100% empirically and logically false because it would have been impossible for humanity to have a majority of theists, which is what we have today.
Conclusion: 1)People are not naturally atheist. 2)All you statements are arbitrary and unwarranted.
Religion was forced upon Europe and you are from the states so you don't have the same point of view about how religion was a do or die thing, because there was a time before Christianity came around. Most people who are labeled religious by statistics are not active in religion, and only half of the world population "belong" to the abrahamic religions, only Christianity, Islam and Judaism counts since they are the ones obsessed with this so called god..
@Jabulon666 Thanks for agreeing. And the reason why you have to agree is because of the question: how did religion become a "do or die thing" in so many places around the world if we were all originally atheist and programmed in our DNA to stay that way? And activity in religion is not the issue nor the "god": the point is that the majority of people have believed in some sort of deity for thousands of years, and if all people naturally tend toward atheism, the status quo would be impossible.
"Do or die" in like "If you don't converge the church will kill you kind of way", but yes there is a hole in every humans head that needs to be filled with something some use drugs some use god I put self esteem there since that is what it's for. I do not need a god and that's is why I don't have a god, simple as that!
@Jabulon666 There you go changing the subject again...I believe that everyone needs God, but I will not argue this point with you because I have already accomplished what I set out to do in my responses to you: show you that people are not born atheist, which I have done quite conclusively and which you have agreed to. So, now that I've done that and I can stop responding to you, I hope that you don't start spewing that ridiculous (100% empirically impossible) idea on other channels. Thank you.
What I agreed to was that we didn't seem to reach each other on the subject about being born theist which we are not!
You are quite arrogant for being a "good christian" cuz you keep talking down to me and trying to twist my words. Still I have seen both sides of this coin and you obviously have not and until you do you should accept the possibility that I might be right! That is why I study religion and myths so I get the whole picture! Cheers
and there is NO research proving that people tend towards atheism, so you claim cannot be shown to be true. But I think that your claim can be shown to be demonstrably false. In the relatively recent past (just a couple hundred years ago), atheism was basically unheard of, and even today the majority of people believe in some sort of deity. So, what you’re saying is that people are naturally atheist, and yet, since the beginning of humanity, 99.99…% of people have believed in some sort of god?
(In case you don’t understand, if people are born atheist, then the first person was an atheist (since you believe evolution, humans came from apes who don’t believe in God), which means every other person (all their children) should also be atheist – but we find the exact opposite). Thus, you have unequivocally been proven empirically wrong, and this lazy, shoddy thinking characterizes each and every statement you’ve made.
@Lion3Lamb saying "humans came from apes" is an easy way to deny the science of evolution, its logic is fallacious as saying the sun came from an atom. there were many things along the way, homo sapiens became the dominant species over homo erectus about 120,000 years ago. It's funny theists will accept carbon dating science to attempt to validate the shroud of turin or the dead sea scrolls- but when it challenges young earth creationism they reject it. religion was created by man.
@batvette Sorry, I meant "apelikes" or "apelike creatures," not "apes." I just forgot a few letters, and to link that mistake to your analogy is ridiculous; well, maybe not: the sun DID come from a space smaller than that of an atom and was (or at least the matter that would become the sun), at some point in the expansion of the universe, approximately the size of an "average atom", whatever that means, since atom sizes are based on average distributions of electrons.
@batvette By the way, 6000-yr-old Earth is a relatively recent idea that is not in Scripture, which doesn't give an age for the Earth or the universe, and a cursory study of creation in ancient Middle-Eastern literature will reveal that creation is conceptualized functionally instead of existentially. Thus, a long age for the universe and Earth are 100% consistent with the Bible.
@Jabulon666 First the Bible was written By God who used HOLY men. Which is why you can not disprove anything in it. Not even down to it's prophecies about the end times which is already coming to pass.
Second, there is no such thing as a neutral point. Jesus said you are either for him or against him. You are either being used by God or by the god of this world, Jabulon. Oops. Satan..Same thing. You should know this since you named yourself after him.
@KakkoiGuy1 What you should do is to look at religion from the outside and you would see the obvious!
I get the impression that you either are a born-again or raised in a strict religious home since your not even open to facts, and that proves that religion is built like a loop if one thing falls it will all come crashing down!
Do you honestly believe in talking snakes and splitting the sea?
@Jabulon666 :) Cute. You are right and wrong. More wrong than right. Especially about me being "religious". I am not religious at all. I don't subscribe to "religious" practices. I am a true believer and have a RELATIONSHIP with Christ Jesus . Religion has destroyed many things. the Pharisees and Chief Priests were religious. Catholics are religious. Hindus are religious. Religion causes you to work your way to salvation. When you have a saving relationship with Jesus and yes John 3:1-12,
You see how wretched you are in light of God's holiness and you see the need for the Saviour. You trust in His work and not your own and believe on Him. Your heart is changed and you are made a new creature. But it's a relationship. Just like a man would have a great relationship with his wife. They don't religiously say the same thing over and over because there's not love in that. Does that make sense? My prayer is that you one day come into a relationship with Jesus like that. As for
the question you asked, I think you know my answer based off of what I've already spoken. However, I'll answer the question with a question if that's ok. Can you disprove it? Many have tried but they have never disproved the Bible at all. As a matter of fact, how many archaeologist have found things the Bible has spoken of? How historically accurate is the Bible. Last but not least, The research for yourself how many of the prophecies of the Bible have come to pass and are now coming to pass.
@Jabulon666 I know many people probably don't like you on here but I'm not that way. I feel this is a chance to share with you in a loving way. That's what Jesus would want any believer to do. And finally, how do you handle your sin? Feel free to research those things and answer and I'll happily continue the conversation.
@KakkoiGuy1 I agree that abortion is a sensitive issue but the whole god thing, isn't it between oneself and god and not to waved in public? I do not believe in sin but I do have a high moral standard quite higher than most christians I know but in my point of view there are only choices. And I am sorry to say that my days with thoughts of Jesus are over since more than a decade and will stay that way, don't get me wrong Jesus did existed but he was just man who was a little smarter then most!
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youneekk 9 months ago
@vestigialwings Also, I'm so sorry someone used offensive and profane language in a message to you. It was completely rude. I find it absurd that people swear on videos like this in "defense of their moral beliefs". If they proclaim to be a Christian, then they should follow what Jesus teaches in the Bible about not using obscene language but instead speak with gentleness.
I know how rude people can be on YouTube.
TheLadyDeme 10 months ago
@vestigialwings I just read ur question and it's funny that u argue from the point of the woman having a choice or an option in her situation (i.e. rape, her future, her relationship w/ her boyfriend). In that case, where is the baby's choice? I look @ it like this, rape is wrong, why, because you are violating someone else's body. Abortion is wrong because you are killing an innocent human being. Abortion even after rape is wrong because 2 wrongs don't make a right. Not saying it will be easy.
TheLadyDeme 10 months ago
@vestigialwings Do you want answers for everything? Spoiling the meaning of life would ruin all the fun you fuck. Your comment isn't original either.
erockerock238 10 months ago
I don't understand the connection between ancient Israel, and the laws that God gave them to live under, and God's dealings with people. Has God EVER dealt with a people like He did Israel (on a national level), or place the demands of blessing or cursing by obedience or rebellion? I'm sure that abortion is an offense to God, but I can't see how ancient Israel's laws give any idea on how He will deal with it in the very different social conditions of the modern world. Unconfuse me plz.
not2serious2 11 months ago
@not2serious2 I'm no Lane, but I believe God made a covenant with "His People" which in the Old Testament was the people of Israel, and yet non-Israelites could join God nonetheless (Job wasn't an Israelite but was a child of God) and yet nowadays God has made a new Covenant in the New Testament with us. I think the idea of what God believes is wrong lives through both Testaments, but specific "civil laws" such as sacrifices are obsolete. the laws jesus fulfilles in dying are the only laws gone
NathanAmbrose42 11 months ago
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lisamitchellable 1 year ago
wow! That was eye opening!
sugurnspice22 1 year ago
Excellent video.
This country has some serious bad karma coming its way thanks to abortion.
KnightOwl2006 1 year ago
never thought about the abortion issue this way. Thanks Lane
strech7951 1 year ago
Lane I know you like to censor opposing views...imho this is just plain crazy
Snippetbeez 1 year ago
what about war? that is murder too.
elecTR1C323 1 year ago
LOL WUT?
AWESOME90002 1 year ago
I have an observation. It's good to know your bible like this, and know where God stands on abortion. but at the same time think. 5,000,000? America is overpopulated as it is. Besides selfish things like traffic etc. what about less than selfish things like food? ..the laws of occupancy limits that apply to environments? and oil and other things? do you really think theres enough to go around for (oh say about) 2030 or so with a birthrate like that?
AndersonWave17 1 year ago
Im sorry but this was super silly. I was loling at the end.
Gypsy0Eyes0 1 year ago
on the topic, you can't tell young people "just don't have sex". the vatican needs to relax its rules on birth control (oops, "god" is going to provide divine wisdom to the pope) but he won't because as usual Christianity is on a race with the other religions to be #1, and this means procreating. wake up, overpopulation is going to result in a hell on earth. at least muslims aren't keeping their efforts a secret.
batvette 1 year ago
That is so sad, Lane, thanks for sharing. I look forward to more of these videos. More tragedy added to the multitude of slain babies are the broken women and men that have committed this sin, and the recalcitrant doctors who perform these "procedures" who need the gospel of Jesus Christ. All parties lose in this, not just the babies. :(
AKhardcore1 1 year ago
Wow! This is good Lane. Those scriptures are new to me. I was aware that God hates the shedding of innocent blood. He made that clear in Proverbs 6:17. People being silent when it comes to the abortion issue and how it's bringing judgement on this nation (SEVERE ECONOMIC WOES, DISEASES) that's a scary thought, but it is reality. If we've been silent we must repent! Thank you for sharing this vid! God Bless you bro.
brokenbeforeU 1 year ago 2
@brokenbeforeU God bless you, too, and thanks for sharing your encouragement!
LaneCh 1 year ago
@brokenbeforeU OMG, you can't seriously believe God is wreaking havoc on the US economy and causing disease because he's pissed about abortion? Let's see, Roe V Wade was around 1970, we've had a few downturns but also saw some of the best economic times in our history since then. And diseases.... how about the 1920 pandemic.... killed 20 million people and no abortions!
Jeez, what's next, God hates fags?
How about if girls don't use sex to get what they want they don't get knocked up?
batvette 1 year ago
@batvette Some observations:
Baby boomers will soon retire and try to collect Social Security.
Many of them killed their unborn children.
Social Security is insolvent.
Many of those killed could have payed into the system and/or supported their parents in their golden years (and I said so in a recent video).
We're $14T in debt.
Who picks up the tab?
Just some food for thought.
APSOC38 1 year ago
Great clip can't wait to see the whole presentation!
redrum377 1 year ago
Almost seventy percent of abortion slaughterhouses are in poor black and latino neighbourhoods--it is a very racist industry.
ProclaimHisWord 1 year ago
@ProclaimHisWord Btw, did you read about what's happening in Pakistan? thousands of newborns are being thrown in trash heaps each year because of out of wedlock births and poverty---we are a depraved people!
ProclaimHisWord 1 year ago
@ProclaimHisWord Mark, are you aware that Margaret Sanger, the gal who founded Planned Parenthood, was racist to the core? One hobby horse that she rode was called Eugenics, and this was her way to decrease, if not eradicate, minority people groups.
She was very evil and wicked, to say the least.
APSOC38 1 year ago
That's over 50 million 'silent screams' that our Lord has heard. And He remembers all of them.
xxHUNGRY4THETRUTHxx 1 year ago 2
there is no judgement from GOD now isnt there? I mean the only judgement is left for CHRIST at the white throne judgement no?
TheGreatCommission79 1 year ago
Excellent video! If there is one criticism I have is that it is not broad enough. When I started considering what the US is doing to the unborn via abortion I was seriously considering moving to another nation. The problem is the are so many nations that do condone abortion, and even those that don't are not with out their own grievous national sins. So when he says "the judgement has already started" I agree, but it is not just on the US, it is on the Earth...
Velarieth 1 year ago
I've spent many tears on this subject. Having seen what happened in China to girl babies was enough to bowl me over. Having actually seen pictures of what happens to these precious little ones was too much. They didn't even get the chance to call out to God for salvation. I pray He will have mercy on them anyway.
ChristLikeness100 1 year ago
why did you lock your message box? and what are you saying?
useramiterifet 1 year ago
We can repent, we can pray, we can seek The Almighty for answers. This vice affects all of us, yes even those of us who dont support it.
Oh how beautiful babies look, what a sweet gift they're to humanity. Indeed satan is so cunning, decieving millions into rallying for evil thing in the name of human rights.
Great video!
kutunsukakutonoka 1 year ago
Excellent video!
ChristiansofAsia 1 year ago
Thank you my friend for sharing this message. If more moms and dads would share in a Bible study like this with their kids, we would be a greater nation and most importantly closer to God. It wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would teach the next generation the things of God. Thanks again, and may God bless you,
Jim
jimandlea 1 year ago
Sex education would solve a lot more than bible studies!
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 Dead wrong !
Here in France no taboo sew education is a big priority, even to small kids.
On the other hand there are very few bible studies.
According to you, abortion figures should be decreasing. How wrong can you get.
Education is useless in combatting sin.
14dicken 1 year ago
@14dicken
First of I am an Atheist so i don't believe in "sin" but I do believe in not taking abortion lightly. But if you get people to use a condom the amount of abortions and STD's would go down but the christian church opposes it since it's a "sin" to fornicate without purpose. The reason is that a lot of the followers are the unwanted kids who end up in a life of misery so i see the whole cycle to get born again christians. Remember that the smartest people on earth are active atheist!
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 Whether you are atheist or not, EVERYONE has the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. That is the product of Adam and Eve sinning. And everyone has a "sin nature". You don't have to believe in God to know that this is wrong. Honestly there is no such things as an Atheist. More like an ANTItheist. And with a name like JABULON (another name for Satan taken from Freemasonry)666(the number of a man) you obviously believe in a God but not the true and living God. But let's say that you really do
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 not believe in God. The bible says only a "FOOL" says he doesn't believe there is a God. So atheist (ANTI THEIST) are not so bright to be honest. If they were smart they'd see that they were being decieved by the very "Jabulon" (satan) you have named yourself after and realize that in the end they lose and those that are for and with the Lamb of God (JESUS CHRIST) win. Only a fool fights a battle against a God he doesn't believe in anyway, only to end up in hell at his life's end.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1
1. First the Bible is written by men so that is bias.
2. Being a non-believer is the neutral point since religion is made up by man and not the other way around.
3. I use to be agnostic leaning towards faith...when I was 14 and still lost like most teenagers.
4. I do not believe in anything supernatural but I do like to study religion and mythology.
5. I do not fight god, I challenge the faith of all who believe! Something I shouldn't have to, but it's called faith not knowing!
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 1. So what? If you're implying that bias means inaccurate, then you'll never sign another document in your life since every word is written by a human (inaccurate). Historians know that all photographs are biased: so does that mean that every photograph is somehow inaccurate?
2. Being a theist is the neutral point since atheism is man-made and not the other way around. See how arbitrary this statement is?: you only believe that b/c you've been taught that & you want to believe that.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb
Holy is made up by men.
I don't have to disprove anything since you can't divide zero, you on the other hand have to prove god to convince infidels like me!
By neutral point I meant that we are born atheist who then either "finds" god or not.
The bible was written in a time when people thought that earth was the center of the universe and inbreeding was a good thing, actual fact like contracts etc. are agreement and has nothing to do with fiction.
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 You response is senseless; turn to Jesus and He will give you a clearer mind.
"Holy is made up by men" -holy is an adjective; you can't "make" an adjective.
"I don't have to disprove anything since you can't divide zero" -wrong, and non sequitur
"we are born atheist" -no evidence, opposite may be true
" a time when people thought...earth was the center of the universe" -Earth may still be at the center of the universe (don't know b/c the size/extent of the universe is unknown)
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb
What I have done is turned away from God when i put 2 and 2 together and didn't get the trinity I got 4! I do not think it's good to have faith and believes but you should know what is what and live by fact and knowledge.
We are born atheist because a child without the influences of religion will by default not believe in god, and that is fact.
Still adding god to the big bang doesn't make anything easier in understanding genesis!
Still you need to see religion from the outside!
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 I see that you realized that you were thoroughly exposed for your senseless, unfounded statements, and so you have concocted a new set of irrelevant and meaningless statements instead of responding to what I said/defending your original arguments. However, there is one assertion that you continue with: we are born atheist, so let's address that right now. I think many people's gut instinct is to say that many children accept God's existence,
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb
100 years ago you were punished for denying god!
Religion have only existed a few thousand years but humanity goes way back before that, so it's more like <0,1 of who ever lived that believed in god.
Children also believe in Santa, why? Because they are told that he is real, sounds familiar?
Original questions:
1.Comparing the bible to a legit documents is just crazy.
2.Atheism is the neutral point since your not adding anything! Believing is making an active choice.
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 I think I might as well give up since you don't respond to logic. Let me make it as clear as I can:
You said: "People are naturally born atheist, and have always been that way."
The point: Your statement is 100% empirically and logically false because it would have been impossible for humanity to have a majority of theists, which is what we have today.
Conclusion: 1)People are not naturally atheist. 2)All you statements are arbitrary and unwarranted.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb
I feel the same way.
Religion was forced upon Europe and you are from the states so you don't have the same point of view about how religion was a do or die thing, because there was a time before Christianity came around. Most people who are labeled religious by statistics are not active in religion, and only half of the world population "belong" to the abrahamic religions, only Christianity, Islam and Judaism counts since they are the ones obsessed with this so called god..
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 Thanks for agreeing. And the reason why you have to agree is because of the question: how did religion become a "do or die thing" in so many places around the world if we were all originally atheist and programmed in our DNA to stay that way? And activity in religion is not the issue nor the "god": the point is that the majority of people have believed in some sort of deity for thousands of years, and if all people naturally tend toward atheism, the status quo would be impossible.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb
"Do or die" in like "If you don't converge the church will kill you kind of way", but yes there is a hole in every humans head that needs to be filled with something some use drugs some use god I put self esteem there since that is what it's for. I do not need a god and that's is why I don't have a god, simple as that!
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 There you go changing the subject again...I believe that everyone needs God, but I will not argue this point with you because I have already accomplished what I set out to do in my responses to you: show you that people are not born atheist, which I have done quite conclusively and which you have agreed to. So, now that I've done that and I can stop responding to you, I hope that you don't start spewing that ridiculous (100% empirically impossible) idea on other channels. Thank you.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb
What I agreed to was that we didn't seem to reach each other on the subject about being born theist which we are not!
You are quite arrogant for being a "good christian" cuz you keep talking down to me and trying to twist my words. Still I have seen both sides of this coin and you obviously have not and until you do you should accept the possibility that I might be right! That is why I study religion and myths so I get the whole picture! Cheers
Jabulon666 1 year ago
and there is NO research proving that people tend towards atheism, so you claim cannot be shown to be true. But I think that your claim can be shown to be demonstrably false. In the relatively recent past (just a couple hundred years ago), atheism was basically unheard of, and even today the majority of people believe in some sort of deity. So, what you’re saying is that people are naturally atheist, and yet, since the beginning of humanity, 99.99…% of people have believed in some sort of god?
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
(In case you don’t understand, if people are born atheist, then the first person was an atheist (since you believe evolution, humans came from apes who don’t believe in God), which means every other person (all their children) should also be atheist – but we find the exact opposite). Thus, you have unequivocally been proven empirically wrong, and this lazy, shoddy thinking characterizes each and every statement you’ve made.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Lion3Lamb saying "humans came from apes" is an easy way to deny the science of evolution, its logic is fallacious as saying the sun came from an atom. there were many things along the way, homo sapiens became the dominant species over homo erectus about 120,000 years ago. It's funny theists will accept carbon dating science to attempt to validate the shroud of turin or the dead sea scrolls- but when it challenges young earth creationism they reject it. religion was created by man.
batvette 1 year ago
@batvette Sorry, I meant "apelikes" or "apelike creatures," not "apes." I just forgot a few letters, and to link that mistake to your analogy is ridiculous; well, maybe not: the sun DID come from a space smaller than that of an atom and was (or at least the matter that would become the sun), at some point in the expansion of the universe, approximately the size of an "average atom", whatever that means, since atom sizes are based on average distributions of electrons.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@batvette By the way, 6000-yr-old Earth is a relatively recent idea that is not in Scripture, which doesn't give an age for the Earth or the universe, and a cursory study of creation in ancient Middle-Eastern literature will reveal that creation is conceptualized functionally instead of existentially. Thus, a long age for the universe and Earth are 100% consistent with the Bible.
Lion3Lamb 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 First the Bible was written By God who used HOLY men. Which is why you can not disprove anything in it. Not even down to it's prophecies about the end times which is already coming to pass.
Second, there is no such thing as a neutral point. Jesus said you are either for him or against him. You are either being used by God or by the god of this world, Jabulon. Oops. Satan..Same thing. You should know this since you named yourself after him.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 What you should do is to look at religion from the outside and you would see the obvious!
I get the impression that you either are a born-again or raised in a strict religious home since your not even open to facts, and that proves that religion is built like a loop if one thing falls it will all come crashing down!
Do you honestly believe in talking snakes and splitting the sea?
Jabulon666 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 :) Cute. You are right and wrong. More wrong than right. Especially about me being "religious". I am not religious at all. I don't subscribe to "religious" practices. I am a true believer and have a RELATIONSHIP with Christ Jesus . Religion has destroyed many things. the Pharisees and Chief Priests were religious. Catholics are religious. Hindus are religious. Religion causes you to work your way to salvation. When you have a saving relationship with Jesus and yes John 3:1-12,
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
You see how wretched you are in light of God's holiness and you see the need for the Saviour. You trust in His work and not your own and believe on Him. Your heart is changed and you are made a new creature. But it's a relationship. Just like a man would have a great relationship with his wife. They don't religiously say the same thing over and over because there's not love in that. Does that make sense? My prayer is that you one day come into a relationship with Jesus like that. As for
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
the question you asked, I think you know my answer based off of what I've already spoken. However, I'll answer the question with a question if that's ok. Can you disprove it? Many have tried but they have never disproved the Bible at all. As a matter of fact, how many archaeologist have found things the Bible has spoken of? How historically accurate is the Bible. Last but not least, The research for yourself how many of the prophecies of the Bible have come to pass and are now coming to pass.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@Jabulon666 I know many people probably don't like you on here but I'm not that way. I feel this is a chance to share with you in a loving way. That's what Jesus would want any believer to do. And finally, how do you handle your sin? Feel free to research those things and answer and I'll happily continue the conversation.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 I agree that abortion is a sensitive issue but the whole god thing, isn't it between oneself and god and not to waved in public? I do not believe in sin but I do have a high moral standard quite higher than most christians I know but in my point of view there are only choices. And I am sorry to say that my days with thoughts of Jesus are over since more than a decade and will stay that way, don't get me wrong Jesus did existed but he was just man who was a little smarter then most!
Jabulon666 1 year ago
Righteous Message, God Bless You
icoson 1 year ago