Why would God dislike Canaanites for roasting babies over open fire? He was really big on burnt offering for the longest time. And as I recall, he wiped out two whole cities with a rain of fire-didn't even use a volcano to do it.
Oh wait a sec-I just reviewed the video. God was pissed because the babies were roasted as an offering to some other God, not because they were being roasted. Well, the nerve of those people! Of course they had to be destroyed.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
And that's why these kindly old men are so sure that it was a good idea to kill off an entire tribe, including the children.
If God is all powerful, all loving and all forgiving why could he find no other possible solution (or create a new solution) that would allow for the curing of the 'cancer' in the midst without destroying them? If it would be a breach of their free will why doesnt he just create something new and special to allow him to change their minds and fully understand the wrongness of their acts without impinging on their free will.
NOTHING is beyond his means. God could do it if he wanted. He just wont
Lets reverse the perspective. Replace Canaanite with the word "Jew" and the word Israelite with the word "Muslim terrorist" and see what it sounds like.
Yup. The cancer argument is one Catholics should be familiar with - it is an old argument for putting heretics to death. The man has just defended the Inquisition LOL.
Funnier than that is that when the argument is applied to Biblical atrocities, it's fine to kill Amalekites - but to kill Protestant heretics, outside the Bible ? Nope - that's bad. Yet the logic is identical. Massacre is always wrong - to say otherwise is to debase the teaching of Christ
Killing an entire people, unlike removing a tumor, is an indiscriminate act. There is no way that an entire people were like a tumor on the face of humanity--they were not beyond forgiveness.
The God of the bible makes me sick and anyone who tries to make sense using corrupt morality to justify slaughter of any race. This guy makes me sick in this video because of that. His belief in an old book has flawed his judgement so much he justifies genocide. This type of thinking is non logical if there is an all loving god who is the 3 omnis. Christianity is a cancer on society and its morals taken from biblical text are grotesque and immoral.
What a load of crap.This christian is basically saying if you dont believe what we tell you to believe according to our holy book,you deserve to be wiped out.Yet Fanatical Islam says the same thing and they are wrong.All religion must be done away with for the world to be a better place.
An implication of your belief, in this case, is to make life on Earth LESS precious. Whether 6 million, 10,000 or whatever, genocide is slaughter of an entire people. If there is no good without God, what is good? It loses meaning. Whatever God says is good, so kill if he says (or in actuality, you delude yourself so). I do not believe in such a God, and would not worship if he existed. Your answer raises more questions such as if God does this, how is he different from the Devil?
Cutting a cancer out? Sounds exactly like mass murderers' excuses. It had nothing to do with them being in the Promised land, hmm? Get them out of the way. Every conqueror uses the same story. Otherwise it might not be ok to annihilate them. I must say honestly, this frightens me. If you believed God commanded it, would you do the same thing? Get thee away from me...People, fear this belief. It justifies murder if one believes God commands that.
that old dude is comparing slaughtering innocent people to getting rid of a cancer. what a sick fuck! the only thing cancerous i see here is the hate spewing out of that shitheads mouth
Oh I see now, it makes much more sence to me, yeah, I mean they wouldn't follow God so god commanded men to kill them, why not do it himself? Why oh yeah because there is no angry space daddy only people who make up crap to support their own genocidal village worship- "they're evil, like a cancer blah blah" If the isrealites were alive today they would see our world and go on a murdering rampage, or maybe even fly a couple of planes into some tall buildings.....
An *entire* race/ethnic group was "evil"? Let us replace "Cannanites" with say, "Asians" or any contemporary group of people. And suddenly one becomes fully aware that what these people are doing is justifying ethnic cleanesing and more claiming it was the moral choice.
Burned babies in fires? Sure, the winner writes the history. Every enemy on both sides has "committed" unspeakable atrocities in the propaganda. Did you know that it is a well known phenomena that it is often difficult to get well trained soldiers to fire at the enemy line that is directly attacking them? Humans do not generally act like this. I might say that the one exception seems to be when they are told by religion to do so.
Might makes right? Was the destruction of the Canaanites due to thier dismissal of a logical moral argument? Or their dismissal of a supernatural dictator telling them "join me or die, but I give you 40 years to think it over"
What are you going to do at your judgment when God Asks you why you ignored his word,
and you say, " Because you commanded the Canaanite babies to be killed I assumed you couldn't exist". And he says,
"I brought the babies home to heaven with me and saved them from having to endure a life of suffering have a look for yourself, there spirits are full and have grown in heaven."
what if he then asks you,
"Were excuse do you have for not following my Sons teachings and believing him?
And I say, I was a skeptical observer and did my best to understand your creation. I spent hours diligently examining the evidence and following the logic with which you wove the tapestry of the universe. I recognized the inconsistencies in the holy books written by man and realized they were the work of other humans. I worshiped you through worshiping your creation and did so without gullibility or slavish obedience to the will of others. If all you seek is sycophants, I reject your paradise.
So he justifies the genocide of the canannites by saying that these people were like a cancer in society that had to be cut out? This is the type of ethnic cleansing talk that was used by Hitler and Slobodan Milošević.
so god commanded the slaughter of a group of people because they refused to convert. what would happen today if someone went to Vatican city and said everyone must become pagan and they refused so they killed every man woman, and child. that would be called genocide. and in any context genocide is wrong.
you did here the part of the video that said the canannites were sacrificing live childern to their gods. so was god really wrong for trying to get them to stop
so god commanded the death of the Canaanite children so that the parents couldn't kill them. if i murder a murderer than what does that make me.
dont make this sound better than it is the Israelites did not kill the kids in there sleep they cut throats crushed there skulls and burned them to death.. sounds more like the son of Sam to me
By your logic, There was justification for some other God, or people, to indiscriminately wipe the Israelites out seeing how their religion told people to stone to death naughty children?
"If someone went to the Vatican and commanded them to become Pagans"? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
That's like 10 yr. old little league players going to the New York Yankees & commanding them to learn how to hit the ball while playing little girls slow pitch softball. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
I'm certain the Antichrist has much more evil things to attend to than to play with a Tarot Card starter kit & run around in a Dracula costume
Now this is what I like to see! Not a weak answer, but someone who has studied and thought about the difficult questions. I love getting answers that put things in perspective. Thank you very much for the upload!
This video isn't an acceptable answer. It is a cop-out. According to the bible, god commanded the slaughter of children. If he is all-powerful, he could have come up with a better solution.
And furthermore, no one repents unless the holy spirit moves their heart to do so, right? (That's a popular view, but I don't know if it is a universal belief) If that is true, then god left them no choice but to remain unrepentant.
Its only unacceptable because you elevate yourself as the ultimate moral authority.
Children are under the age of accountability so perhaps God chooses to bring them to heaven and they are enjoying the riches of eternal life with God.
I can't say - but I'll trust God over man.
You assume life on earth is all there is - from a spiritual perspective its a drop in the bucket. Yet the implications of your choices do have eternal ramifications. Might want to consider adjusting yours....
When a man has hope for eternity he knows that suffering on earth is brief - it not all about mankind - that's what the book of Job is about. There is unseen spiritual warfare - its not all about you. So get over yourself.
"For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, " 2 cor 4:17
"Its only unacceptable because you elevate yourself as the ultimate moral authority"
I wouldn't say that, I would say it is because he can't see how such a thing could be used for good or he thinks that there would be some other way of doing it. What it boils down to is a lack of understanding and a lack of trust.
It's not a complete answer no, but it certainly changes the perspective on the situation. You can't for example say that the people were "innocent" if they were burning children over flames and other such things.
"According to the bible, god commanded the slaughter of children"
According to the Bible, they would of gone straight to heaven, but if they had remained alive and become corrupt like their patents, they would of ended up in hell.
This is obviously a very emotional topic, however, it is important not to let emotion interfere too much with rationality.
If it is rationally possible that God had to destroy them before they destroyed all of mankind, then it is not a solid argument against God's omni-benevolence. Personally I can, that despite it being horrible, that it could be used for good. Although this is a challenge to the benevolence of God, I can see how God can be omni-benevolent and still do what He did.
god doesn't like killing people or kids? jeez god is a HUGE fan of infantcide AND murdering people for mispelling words and making fun of bald dudes
not to mention this idiot just gives another THEORY for complete bullshit in their bible.
its too bad most christians aren't capable of reasoning or objective decision making cuz all they'd have to do is read their own bible and figure out how barbaric god/jesus and crew really are.
After all the genocide recorded in the Bible and all other holy books -- the JEWS today claim they descended from the CANAANITES. Now, something is really wrong with this picture.
Let's not forget it was the CANAANITES who CIVILIZED this world and who invented the alphabet and taught the ILLITERATE SAVAGES of this world how to read and write in the Canaanite alphabet.
I INVITE EVERYONE TO MY (YOUTUBE CHANNEL) to learn more about the Canaanites by clicking on my (youtube screen-name)...
This guy is basically saying that there are situations in which genocide is justified. Well thanks - I hope he and his followers will never get anywhere near to actual powerful positions inside a government. And see how he is using a comparison to nature to make his argument sound more "reasonable"? It's all been done before, with the worst consequences for humanity.
It is a misconception to use the term "genocide" because ancient tribes are not comparable to modern sensibilities like Stalin's or Mao's genocidal campaign against Christians who were harmless.
By your standard there could be no just defense against madmen like Hitler. It was necessary to bomb Germany - to not do so would have been far worse consequences for humanity. So your argument breaks down on that humanism point as well.
Bombing Germany was done with the intention of bringing down a regime, not with the intention of wiping out a whole people in order to prevent them from passing on their genes.
And please, help me understand why ancient tribes were so different from more recently persecuted groups? I would not be surprised if modern persecutors of Christian minorities also claimed that they have to be wiped out because they are wicked, they eat babies or put poison into the wells, such as was told about jews and witches in early modern Europe, about Native American tribes in the age of discoveries, about muslims by the crusaders... It's the most classical picture to mark a scapegoat.
That won't work. Massacring a defenceless population is wrong when Nazis do it, & wrong with Catholics do it, & wrong when other Christians do it, & wrong when Muslims do it - it is wrong when Israelites & Jews do it.
Ancient gods are are often represented as requiring armies to campaign; & that is what we have here: Israelite aggression is attributed to their god, to justify their actions. He didn't order these acts; men did. God is revealed in Jesus, not in these deeds
no, they just cut them into pieces, or suck them out of their mothers' wombs or both, or suck their brains out (which is illegal now), or, or, or... Yes I am talking about abortion. I don't wanna get into an argument, but I just wanted to point out that in our 'modern civilized secular age' atrocities on innocent lives (such as babies) still happen probably every day, and people aren't even noticing it, but this will come to an end. Peace :)
Wow! I can see how well the public education system is working. I am very saddened by the lack of real knowledge that most of the posters on here have. IF you can not even write a sentence what qualifies you to talk about science?
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; all practicing them have good understanding; His praise stands forever.
Pro 1:7 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge; but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
And I also belive ADAM and EVE in the Bible were sub-saharan Africans. The characters in the Bible including JESUS were derived from ancient Canaanite GODS and mythology.
Does anyone here know GOD'S PHYSICAL ADDRESS in heaven?
"Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler weren't religious" - yeah they were, especially hitler. and they didn't kill more people than all religions combined, religion has killed much more. and pol pot, stalin, mao, and hitler were just evil leaders. it doesn't make sense to use them as a generalization for all non religious people.
of this men only Hitler believed in gods he was a pagan .Those claiming that Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao weren't atheists are just trying to change facts because THEY WERE. This atheistic Marxism and communism ideas like EVOLUTION is the reason for the worst mass murders in history. Through evolution ideas we get Abortion, Eugenics and of course the idea that those they deem less evolved can be exterminated because there is no god or soul so they are doing the less evolved a favor by killing them
"the idea that those they deem less evolved can be exterminated because there is no god or soul so they are doing the less evolved a favor by killing them" - thats just nonsense. its a conclusion you come to and disagree with, its not a conclusion science agrees with, and its not a conclusion anybody beleives is right. evolution has nothing to do with abortion or eugenics or racism. evolution is fact and i dont beleive anybody should ever be killed, so you are wrong.
thats nonsense? what your saying is none sense the facts speak for them selfs. Science doesn't agree with what i said? Since when does science have an opinion? and NO ONE AGREES WITH? thats a straw man have u asked every person alive? no evolution has everything to do with abortion ,eugenics and racism thats the reason this things exist. And the last i heard evolution is just a theory not fact as u point out. And u dont believe in killing? well thats one thing u should be happy about
"they were bad people,they killed children"so the Israelites killing all their children along with them was any better?typical crap fundamentalist pseudo-thought.
These Canaanites were acting worse than animals. They were totally rotten. If the Living and Allmighty GOD Judged them to be wiped of from the face of this earth then I ask you:
Who are YOU to question the Allmighty??
If the Almighty GOD is THAT fearfull then why don't you tremble?
Don't you know that we are all canaanites inside?
We need to be saved from ourselves,
The Living GOD doesn't need us; we need HIM!
Now be a smart atheist and repent before it's too late(hell!).....
"Who are YOU to question the Allmighty??"someone who has never committed tribal genocide or killed children en mass,which is more then i can say for your god.
++"Who are YOU to question the Allmighty??"someone who has never committed tribal genocide or killed children en mass++
I pity you my friend. You have no selfknowledge at all. We are ALL totally depraved. If someone is a nice honest person like everybody should be then it's only the outside. The inside of humanity is rotten....
GOD is the only One who is good. So better repent before you'll wake up in an etrnal hell....
"I pity you my friend. You have no selfknowledge at all. We are ALL totally depraved. "i take pity from someone that worships a god who commands and commits genocide and mass child murder a badge of honor .
no self knowledge at all?i am keenly aware that i have never desired or taken part in genocide or the mass murder of children.perhaps you have,i can not say.but you can keep your self loathing to yourself where it belongs.
"Who are YOU to question the Allmighty" - god hates to be questioned. the only reason to fear questioning is if you dont have an answer. or if you cant talk. god has both problems.
"If the Almighty GOD is THAT fearfull then why don't you tremble?"i tend to only be frightened of things i have cause to believe are more then just a mythfor much the same reason i have no fear of Loki,Set,Thor,or Zeus.
++much the same reason i have no fear of Loki,Set,Thor,or Zeus++
They are the same as Santa Claus, Bugs Bunny or atheism. These are idols of course, nobody has to fear them. But the Living GOD of the Bible is for real. Better be aware and repent friend before your time is up....
So, this "god" creates a situation (in his supposed infinite wisdom) that leads to an undesirable outcome for him. The solution? Divinely ordained genocide. If taken as true, Yahweh bungles his design, and as an apparent proponent of eugenics, saddles his chosen people to do his dirty work for him. They live afflicted with the imagery from this forced killing for the rest of their lives, but they need not suffer any trauma or moral objection because "god" said it was okay.
free will is self-evident, but you'd prefer to blame God for the actions of others. so many of you forget about your adversary, because he wouldn't hold you responsible for the bad thigns you do. i don't see many of you arguing against the existence of satan. it's because people love their own sin, and do not even try to stop. they would rather just say, "oh God doesn't exist" and don't even know their beginning or their end. the bible is backed by 100% accurate prophecy. God has done His part.
The thing is "is turning away from god the worst crime a person can do?" if a person is a good, ethical person, do they deserve to be punished for all eternity?
Human sacrifice is barbaric thing that's for sure, but
1. God told abraham to do that to issac
2. OT still had barberic ideas like slavery, and misogyny
Hey, you ACTUALLY seem genuinely curious. Keep watching and searching friend. You will find... just as I did and many others.
Look at it this way. God is love and all that is good. Embracing that not of God(sin) grants you complete seperation from all that he is(love, goodness, joy etc.)... That is Hell(Hate, Pain, Sorrow etc.). Good thing is, he has made a way for us to be with him again. Holy and Clean again. Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry but if you have an omnipotent god, couldn't he have made a better way than committing genocide. The cancer analogy could be made from the Nazi about the jews in WWI. And it also begs the question; why would god allow the israelites to jams spears into to the stomach of pregnant women so their unborn would be dead
"why would god allow the israelites to jams spears into to the stomach of pregnant women.."
The Israelites never did that, that was the Assyrians. Secondly, you're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is "why is mankind so wicked and sinful, always rebelling against God and bringing judgment on themselves? And how can we be saved from this wicked nature?"
If man fights against God and sins against Him, God will bring judgment sooner or later. Plain and simple.
Sorry danillum, but yes there is evidence for God.
You just have to be willing to listen to it without prejudice.
The Bible it self is filled with evidence like the prophecies that have been written about and then fulfilled, like Isaiah 53.
That was proven to be written centuries before Jesus' death yet it details it to the letter. Please look with open eyes, and you will see that God's fingerprints are all over His creation!
The evidence you are offering resides in a book which contains so many contradictions that one cannot discern anything intelligible from it. Why should I accept such a thing? Especially since the Bible isn't a unique book. There are many others out there claiming to know the answers to questions that the Bible answers differently.
spiritual things are unknown to the natural man, but the spiritual man discerns all things. nothing unique, you say? the bible is the only holy book that is backed by 100% accurate prophecy.
See, this is where you are not listening. Who said there are contradictions? Did you actually look each of them up and verify them? IT is a very unique book. No other book has the fingerprints of God built into them. The Heptadic Structure of the Bible is one way to tell that no one else but the HOLY SPIRIT (through man) could have written the Bible. With careful study of this wonderful book, you can be assured that it is the genuine thing.
I have read the bible. It didn't convince me of any christian god any more than reading old finnish poetry could convince me of the existance of old finnish gods. Besides, christians don't agree on what the bible means, so obviously it's not very clear in it's message.
There are bunch of contradictions. Some christians explain them away (and don't agree on their explanations), while some say it's mythology, and not meant to be taken literally.
The man who answers is a liar. There was no repentance offered to the Canaanites and God DOES want people to perish and that is why HE made hell. "Vessels of wrath fitted for destruction".Romans 9:22. God had already planned well in advance the Israelites taking over the houses they did not build and vineyards they did not plant. This video is an out right lie.
wow your a smart ass, we all know that, he means that if Israelites came and took land but not killed them, those guy would corrupt the holy land, just like america today, the fags and athiest are distroying god presence in america, i feel like we gotta kill this filth in order for americans to lhave no evil living beside them. And that why god said, i will take this nation for the israelite. good and bad cant mix in the holy land, now america is not holy land that why we can never kill you fool
2pac; You're an idiot. Slave trading and Indian massacring America was NEVER a holy land. You're talking out your ass. God wanted them dead because He did not love them. They were vessels of wrath fitted for destruction. Man, you sure are stupid. Learn how to write before you write. Are you retarded?
the canaanites DID in fact, hear about the God of israel before the approach of the israelites. the gibeonites even deceived joshua into making peace with them, by saying they were from a far away nation, because they heard of the upcoming conquest.
why do you also ignore the fact that those "vessels of destruction" made their own choices? free will is self-evident, so is creation and you are born with a conscience, so that you are without excuse.
(about the analogy) "Cleaning out what would kill the body", if God did it before, with historical evidence of those events taking place, and He gave us heads up on what is to come in the future in the bible, then its time to wise up or face whats to come. =S
Yes the original scouts that returned from checking out the promised land reported Nephilim. Which is why they were afraid to enter - which is the sole reason God made them wander 40 years. So you could also argue that the Canaanites were corrupted genetically and not human.
Looks like a nazi justifying the holocaust.
fhsoder 3 months ago
Why would God dislike Canaanites for roasting babies over open fire? He was really big on burnt offering for the longest time. And as I recall, he wiped out two whole cities with a rain of fire-didn't even use a volcano to do it.
Oh wait a sec-I just reviewed the video. God was pissed because the babies were roasted as an offering to some other God, not because they were being roasted. Well, the nerve of those people! Of course they had to be destroyed.
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youneekk 8 months ago
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
And that's why these kindly old men are so sure that it was a good idea to kill off an entire tribe, including the children.
wseerldnoeoedfry 9 months ago
What would it take for these people to acknowledge the evil that YHWH is? What is it that they CAN'T justify?
r3ggi3000 10 months ago
Excellent video, thanks for posting this!
LizardLandscapes 11 months ago
If God is all powerful, all loving and all forgiving why could he find no other possible solution (or create a new solution) that would allow for the curing of the 'cancer' in the midst without destroying them? If it would be a breach of their free will why doesnt he just create something new and special to allow him to change their minds and fully understand the wrongness of their acts without impinging on their free will.
NOTHING is beyond his means. God could do it if he wanted. He just wont
sirbobulous 1 year ago
Lets reverse the perspective. Replace Canaanite with the word "Jew" and the word Israelite with the word "Muslim terrorist" and see what it sounds like.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
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Yup. The cancer argument is one Catholics should be familiar with - it is an old argument for putting heretics to death. The man has just defended the Inquisition LOL.
Funnier than that is that when the argument is applied to Biblical atrocities, it's fine to kill Amalekites - but to kill Protestant heretics, outside the Bible ? Nope - that's bad. Yet the logic is identical. Massacre is always wrong - to say otherwise is to debase the teaching of Christ
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
Killing an entire people, unlike removing a tumor, is an indiscriminate act. There is no way that an entire people were like a tumor on the face of humanity--they were not beyond forgiveness.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
The God of the bible makes me sick and anyone who tries to make sense using corrupt morality to justify slaughter of any race. This guy makes me sick in this video because of that. His belief in an old book has flawed his judgement so much he justifies genocide. This type of thinking is non logical if there is an all loving god who is the 3 omnis. Christianity is a cancer on society and its morals taken from biblical text are grotesque and immoral.
jfdoser 1 year ago
@jfdoser You are absolutely true
montezoma 1 year ago
so convert or be annihilated, very civilized.
Richy15251 1 year ago
So Canaanites were cancer on this world.Wow , then i like that God did very much to stop Hitler too....
Nightmeare 1 year ago
What a load of crap.This christian is basically saying if you dont believe what we tell you to believe according to our holy book,you deserve to be wiped out.Yet Fanatical Islam says the same thing and they are wrong.All religion must be done away with for the world to be a better place.
ranchai100 1 year ago
An implication of your belief, in this case, is to make life on Earth LESS precious. Whether 6 million, 10,000 or whatever, genocide is slaughter of an entire people. If there is no good without God, what is good? It loses meaning. Whatever God says is good, so kill if he says (or in actuality, you delude yourself so). I do not believe in such a God, and would not worship if he existed. Your answer raises more questions such as if God does this, how is he different from the Devil?
mcc1789 1 year ago
Cutting a cancer out? Sounds exactly like mass murderers' excuses. It had nothing to do with them being in the Promised land, hmm? Get them out of the way. Every conqueror uses the same story. Otherwise it might not be ok to annihilate them. I must say honestly, this frightens me. If you believed God commanded it, would you do the same thing? Get thee away from me...People, fear this belief. It justifies murder if one believes God commands that.
mcc1789 1 year ago
you people make me sick
123columbo123 1 year ago
Fuck You!
SemiticDiscovery 1 year ago
that old dude is comparing slaughtering innocent people to getting rid of a cancer. what a sick fuck! the only thing cancerous i see here is the hate spewing out of that shitheads mouth
kharon8 1 year ago
"They had a 40 year warning.They saw what happened to egiptians."
Oh yeah, so the moral argument for the genocide is based on flying frogs.
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The cancer analogy makes me feel shame i once considerd myself a christian.
Picsie 1 year ago
Xtians did just as evil stuff as any Canaanites. Anyway, didn't your god make the Canaanites too?
purbrookian 2 years ago
What a crock of shit.
elindred 2 years ago
Oh I see now, it makes much more sence to me, yeah, I mean they wouldn't follow God so god commanded men to kill them, why not do it himself? Why oh yeah because there is no angry space daddy only people who make up crap to support their own genocidal village worship- "they're evil, like a cancer blah blah" If the isrealites were alive today they would see our world and go on a murdering rampage, or maybe even fly a couple of planes into some tall buildings.....
Cougar139tweak 2 years ago
An *entire* race/ethnic group was "evil"? Let us replace "Cannanites" with say, "Asians" or any contemporary group of people. And suddenly one becomes fully aware that what these people are doing is justifying ethnic cleanesing and more claiming it was the moral choice.
Nocturnalux 2 years ago
Thank you Dr. Hitler.
odinata 2 years ago
Burned babies in fires? Sure, the winner writes the history. Every enemy on both sides has "committed" unspeakable atrocities in the propaganda. Did you know that it is a well known phenomena that it is often difficult to get well trained soldiers to fire at the enemy line that is directly attacking them? Humans do not generally act like this. I might say that the one exception seems to be when they are told by religion to do so.
adamredwine 2 years ago
Might makes right? Was the destruction of the Canaanites due to thier dismissal of a logical moral argument? Or their dismissal of a supernatural dictator telling them "join me or die, but I give you 40 years to think it over"
meatwork999 2 years ago
Heartwarming...
uvauva2 2 years ago
"What" excuse......
kdiddle1 2 years ago
What are you going to do at your judgment when God Asks you why you ignored his word,
and you say, " Because you commanded the Canaanite babies to be killed I assumed you couldn't exist". And he says,
"I brought the babies home to heaven with me and saved them from having to endure a life of suffering have a look for yourself, there spirits are full and have grown in heaven."
what if he then asks you,
"Were excuse do you have for not following my Sons teachings and believing him?
kdiddle1 2 years ago
And I say, I was a skeptical observer and did my best to understand your creation. I spent hours diligently examining the evidence and following the logic with which you wove the tapestry of the universe. I recognized the inconsistencies in the holy books written by man and realized they were the work of other humans. I worshiped you through worshiping your creation and did so without gullibility or slavish obedience to the will of others. If all you seek is sycophants, I reject your paradise.
adamredwine 2 years ago
oh yes that a good idea if a group of people want covert to your religin kill them.....great stuff...... oh sorry i meant to say asshole.
christian where just as cruel as the canannitites they had no moral high ground.
TheLunarmonkey 2 years ago
So he justifies the genocide of the canannites by saying that these people were like a cancer in society that had to be cut out? This is the type of ethnic cleansing talk that was used by Hitler and Slobodan Milošević.
GrandClinny 2 years ago
This is very frightening.
mosostow 2 years ago
so god commanded the slaughter of a group of people because they refused to convert. what would happen today if someone went to Vatican city and said everyone must become pagan and they refused so they killed every man woman, and child. that would be called genocide. and in any context genocide is wrong.
hustlershark 2 years ago
you did here the part of the video that said the canannites were sacrificing live childern to their gods. so was god really wrong for trying to get them to stop
swampmanelement77 2 years ago
so god commanded the death of the Canaanite children so that the parents couldn't kill them. if i murder a murderer than what does that make me.
dont make this sound better than it is the Israelites did not kill the kids in there sleep they cut throats crushed there skulls and burned them to death.. sounds more like the son of Sam to me
hustlershark 2 years ago
there is a video that you might want to see called is god absolutely immoral by mdean1215 and it might give you a better answer then i can.
anyway take care and have a good day
swampmanelement77 2 years ago
By your logic, There was justification for some other God, or people, to indiscriminately wipe the Israelites out seeing how their religion told people to stone to death naughty children?
RPFS2008 2 years ago
"If someone went to the Vatican and commanded them to become Pagans"? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
That's like 10 yr. old little league players going to the New York Yankees & commanding them to learn how to hit the ball while playing little girls slow pitch softball. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
I'm certain the Antichrist has much more evil things to attend to than to play with a Tarot Card starter kit & run around in a Dracula costume
"become pagans" Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
you must have completely my point, which was "god" killed these people because they were not jewish. just transplant pagan for muslim, or hindu, ect
hustlershark 2 years ago
Now this is what I like to see! Not a weak answer, but someone who has studied and thought about the difficult questions. I love getting answers that put things in perspective. Thank you very much for the upload!
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
This video isn't an acceptable answer. It is a cop-out. According to the bible, god commanded the slaughter of children. If he is all-powerful, he could have come up with a better solution.
And furthermore, no one repents unless the holy spirit moves their heart to do so, right? (That's a popular view, but I don't know if it is a universal belief) If that is true, then god left them no choice but to remain unrepentant.
circlekloser 2 years ago
Its only unacceptable because you elevate yourself as the ultimate moral authority.
Children are under the age of accountability so perhaps God chooses to bring them to heaven and they are enjoying the riches of eternal life with God.
I can't say - but I'll trust God over man.
You assume life on earth is all there is - from a spiritual perspective its a drop in the bucket. Yet the implications of your choices do have eternal ramifications. Might want to consider adjusting yours....
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
When a man has hope for eternity he knows that suffering on earth is brief - it not all about mankind - that's what the book of Job is about. There is unseen spiritual warfare - its not all about you. So get over yourself.
"For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, " 2 cor 4:17
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
"So get over yourself"
Be gentle brother.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
"Its only unacceptable because you elevate yourself as the ultimate moral authority"
I wouldn't say that, I would say it is because he can't see how such a thing could be used for good or he thinks that there would be some other way of doing it. What it boils down to is a lack of understanding and a lack of trust.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
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God could have done anything he wanted. He chose the slaughter of children.
Lack of understanding? I think I have all the facts. Lack of trust? Most definitely.
circlekloser 2 years ago
It is unacceptable because I believe in objective morality. If something is right or wrong it is so in itself, not because god said so.
circlekloser 2 years ago
The religious proclaim but never substantiate.
MzHellinahandbasket 1 year ago
"This video isn't an acceptable answer"
It's not a complete answer no, but it certainly changes the perspective on the situation. You can't for example say that the people were "innocent" if they were burning children over flames and other such things.
"According to the bible, god commanded the slaughter of children"
According to the Bible, they would of gone straight to heaven, but if they had remained alive and become corrupt like their patents, they would of ended up in hell.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
"if they had remained alive and become corrupt like their patents, they would of ended up in hell."
So then god would be most merciful if he killed everyone before they had the chance to sin?
circlekloser 2 years ago
This is obviously a very emotional topic, however, it is important not to let emotion interfere too much with rationality.
If it is rationally possible that God had to destroy them before they destroyed all of mankind, then it is not a solid argument against God's omni-benevolence. Personally I can, that despite it being horrible, that it could be used for good. Although this is a challenge to the benevolence of God, I can see how God can be omni-benevolent and still do what He did.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
lol,...
sirTittytwister 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
god doesn't like killing people or kids? jeez god is a HUGE fan of infantcide AND murdering people for mispelling words and making fun of bald dudes
not to mention this idiot just gives another THEORY for complete bullshit in their bible.
its too bad most christians aren't capable of reasoning or objective decision making cuz all they'd have to do is read their own bible and figure out how barbaric god/jesus and crew really are.
theeyeisblind 2 years ago
He compares the canaanites to cancer? But isnt God supposed to be powerful enough to heal cancer?
It looks like apologetics have to apologize for the acts of God so they wont look like morons
pctopgs 2 years ago
Wow thats a good discussion goin there i wish i was there for the whole thing!
Keep em coming, Chris!
JRocka114 2 years ago
After all the genocide recorded in the Bible and all other holy books -- the JEWS today claim they descended from the CANAANITES. Now, something is really wrong with this picture.
Let's not forget it was the CANAANITES who CIVILIZED this world and who invented the alphabet and taught the ILLITERATE SAVAGES of this world how to read and write in the Canaanite alphabet.
I INVITE EVERYONE TO MY (YOUTUBE CHANNEL) to learn more about the Canaanites by clicking on my (youtube screen-name)...
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PhoenicianGoddess 2 years ago
I've always enjoyed David Regan.
I didn't know he had a show like this.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
Great video!
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
This guy is basically saying that there are situations in which genocide is justified. Well thanks - I hope he and his followers will never get anywhere near to actual powerful positions inside a government. And see how he is using a comparison to nature to make his argument sound more "reasonable"? It's all been done before, with the worst consequences for humanity.
heidenhase 2 years ago
It is a misconception to use the term "genocide" because ancient tribes are not comparable to modern sensibilities like Stalin's or Mao's genocidal campaign against Christians who were harmless.
By your standard there could be no just defense against madmen like Hitler. It was necessary to bomb Germany - to not do so would have been far worse consequences for humanity. So your argument breaks down on that humanism point as well.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Bombing Germany was done with the intention of bringing down a regime, not with the intention of wiping out a whole people in order to prevent them from passing on their genes.
heidenhase 2 years ago
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heidenhase 2 years ago
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And please, help me understand why ancient tribes were so different from more recently persecuted groups? I would not be surprised if modern persecutors of Christian minorities also claimed that they have to be wiped out because they are wicked, they eat babies or put poison into the wells, such as was told about jews and witches in early modern Europe, about Native American tribes in the age of discoveries, about muslims by the crusaders... It's the most classical picture to mark a scapegoat.
heidenhase 2 years ago
@bigwhammyRocks do you really believe this junk you moron
123columbo123 1 year ago
@bigwhammyRocks
That won't work. Massacring a defenceless population is wrong when Nazis do it, & wrong with Catholics do it, & wrong when other Christians do it, & wrong when Muslims do it - it is wrong when Israelites & Jews do it.
Ancient gods are are often represented as requiring armies to campaign; & that is what we have here: Israelite aggression is attributed to their god, to justify their actions. He didn't order these acts; men did. God is revealed in Jesus, not in these deeds
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
atheists do not burn newborn children. what misguiding people they are
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
? No one claimed Atheists did. The Canaanites did burn children, which is one of the many reasons why God commanded Israel to destroy them.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
@bigwhammyRocks So you're going to destroy the Canaanites and their children because they burned their children ?
Sounds like the Bible justifies doing the job of the Canaanites for them.
idricool 2 weeks ago
no, they just cut them into pieces, or suck them out of their mothers' wombs or both, or suck their brains out (which is illegal now), or, or, or... Yes I am talking about abortion. I don't wanna get into an argument, but I just wanted to point out that in our 'modern civilized secular age' atrocities on innocent lives (such as babies) still happen probably every day, and people aren't even noticing it, but this will come to an end. Peace :)
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
Wow! I can see how well the public education system is working. I am very saddened by the lack of real knowledge that most of the posters on here have. IF you can not even write a sentence what qualifies you to talk about science?
Psa 111:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; all practicing them have good understanding; His praise stands forever.
Pro 1:7 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge; but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Boy is this true! RUA2J?
1jenstand 2 years ago
According to the MYTHOLOGICAL BIBLE -- this world is only 6,000 years old (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
Sorry, this world is billions years old and ADAM was a black-African man from sub-saharan Africa. He wasn't Middle Eastern.
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PhoenicianGoddess 2 years ago
THERE IS NO GOD
And I also belive ADAM and EVE in the Bible were sub-saharan Africans. The characters in the Bible including JESUS were derived from ancient Canaanite GODS and mythology.
Does anyone here know GOD'S PHYSICAL ADDRESS in heaven?
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PhoenicianGoddess 2 years ago
THERE IS NO GOD, period! You religious people are the worst and most evil people on earth!
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PhoenicianGoddess 2 years ago
++THERE IS NO GOD, period!++
Wishful thinking of the highest degree....
++You religious people are the worst and most evil people on earth!++
Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler weren't religious and they slaughtered more people than all religious combined...
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
"Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler weren't religious" - yeah they were, especially hitler. and they didn't kill more people than all religions combined, religion has killed much more. and pol pot, stalin, mao, and hitler were just evil leaders. it doesn't make sense to use them as a generalization for all non religious people.
errskin 2 years ago
of this men only Hitler believed in gods he was a pagan .Those claiming that Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao weren't atheists are just trying to change facts because THEY WERE. This atheistic Marxism and communism ideas like EVOLUTION is the reason for the worst mass murders in history. Through evolution ideas we get Abortion, Eugenics and of course the idea that those they deem less evolved can be exterminated because there is no god or soul so they are doing the less evolved a favor by killing them
leeroy956 2 years ago
"the idea that those they deem less evolved can be exterminated because there is no god or soul so they are doing the less evolved a favor by killing them" - thats just nonsense. its a conclusion you come to and disagree with, its not a conclusion science agrees with, and its not a conclusion anybody beleives is right. evolution has nothing to do with abortion or eugenics or racism. evolution is fact and i dont beleive anybody should ever be killed, so you are wrong.
errskin 2 years ago
thats nonsense? what your saying is none sense the facts speak for them selfs. Science doesn't agree with what i said? Since when does science have an opinion? and NO ONE AGREES WITH? thats a straw man have u asked every person alive? no evolution has everything to do with abortion ,eugenics and racism thats the reason this things exist. And the last i heard evolution is just a theory not fact as u point out. And u dont believe in killing? well thats one thing u should be happy about
leeroy956 2 years ago
"Since when does science have an opinion? " - im taling about the conclusions of the scientific process of peer review.
"evolution is just a theory not fact as u point out" - its a scientific theory which is different than a hunch. look it up
you clearly dont know what science is or the basic concepts of science. get some education.
errskin 2 years ago
wow lol
leeroy956 2 years ago
Yeah, I would also like to know why the HEBREW GOD permitted the genocide of the ancient Canaanites?
Someone better give me a better answer than this idiot!
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PhoenicianGoddess 2 years ago
++Yeah, I would also like to know why the HEBREW GOD permitted the genocide of the ancient Canaanites? Someone better give me a better answer++
You've got the answer but you don't like truth huh?
Excavations in the area's proved that the canaanites sacrificed their own offspring etc.. They were acting worse than wild beasts.
GOD rightfully Judged them.......
Better be a smart atheist and surrender to the Living GOD because YOU will be judged also, once....
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
"they were bad people,they killed children"so the Israelites killing all their children along with them was any better?typical crap fundamentalist pseudo-thought.
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
These Canaanites were acting worse than animals. They were totally rotten. If the Living and Allmighty GOD Judged them to be wiped of from the face of this earth then I ask you:
Who are YOU to question the Allmighty??
If the Almighty GOD is THAT fearfull then why don't you tremble?
Don't you know that we are all canaanites inside?
We need to be saved from ourselves,
The Living GOD doesn't need us; we need HIM!
Now be a smart atheist and repent before it's too late(hell!).....
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
"These Canaanites were acting worse than animals. They were totally rotten."according to the Israelites.
it would hardly be the first time someone wrote BS propaganda about people they hated,it is the same thing Hitler did after all."
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
++it would hardly be the first time someone wrote BS propaganda++
No propaganda but cold scientific historical archaeological facts friend....
You don't like Truth huh...
JESUS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
"Who are YOU to question the Allmighty??"someone who has never committed tribal genocide or killed children en mass,which is more then i can say for your god.
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
++"Who are YOU to question the Allmighty??"someone who has never committed tribal genocide or killed children en mass++
I pity you my friend. You have no selfknowledge at all. We are ALL totally depraved. If someone is a nice honest person like everybody should be then it's only the outside. The inside of humanity is rotten....
GOD is the only One who is good. So better repent before you'll wake up in an etrnal hell....
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
"I pity you my friend. You have no selfknowledge at all. We are ALL totally depraved. "i take pity from someone that worships a god who commands and commits genocide and mass child murder a badge of honor .
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
no self knowledge at all?i am keenly aware that i have never desired or taken part in genocide or the mass murder of children.perhaps you have,i can not say.but you can keep your self loathing to yourself where it belongs.
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
"Who are YOU to question the Allmighty" - god hates to be questioned. the only reason to fear questioning is if you dont have an answer. or if you cant talk. god has both problems.
errskin 2 years ago
"If the Almighty GOD is THAT fearfull then why don't you tremble?"i tend to only be frightened of things i have cause to believe are more then just a mythfor much the same reason i have no fear of Loki,Set,Thor,or Zeus.
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
++much the same reason i have no fear of Loki,Set,Thor,or Zeus++
They are the same as Santa Claus, Bugs Bunny or atheism. These are idols of course, nobody has to fear them. But the Living GOD of the Bible is for real. Better be aware and repent friend before your time is up....
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
yawn,despite the same lack of evidence for your god as the others,yours really exists.pull the other one,it has bells on
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
"We need to be saved from ourselves,
The Living GOD doesn't need us; we need HIM!
Now be a smart atheist and repent before it's too late(hell!).....
JESUS IS LORD!! "wow!a bunch of unsubstantiated claims,color me impressed
NemoUtopian 2 years ago
++JESUS IS LORD!! "wow!a bunch of unsubstantiated claims,color me impressed++
You don't like my signature friend?
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 2 years ago
So, this "god" creates a situation (in his supposed infinite wisdom) that leads to an undesirable outcome for him. The solution? Divinely ordained genocide. If taken as true, Yahweh bungles his design, and as an apparent proponent of eugenics, saddles his chosen people to do his dirty work for him. They live afflicted with the imagery from this forced killing for the rest of their lives, but they need not suffer any trauma or moral objection because "god" said it was okay.
darkrideus 2 years ago
free will is self-evident, but you'd prefer to blame God for the actions of others. so many of you forget about your adversary, because he wouldn't hold you responsible for the bad thigns you do. i don't see many of you arguing against the existence of satan. it's because people love their own sin, and do not even try to stop. they would rather just say, "oh God doesn't exist" and don't even know their beginning or their end. the bible is backed by 100% accurate prophecy. God has done His part.
want2rock247 2 years ago
yep.
doesn't it feel good to encounter god? he's the perfect example of love and justice.....
i love it how they implied that the entire human society was going to crumble because of the canaanites.
who actually buys this dribble?
t00btr0ut 2 years ago
The thing is "is turning away from god the worst crime a person can do?" if a person is a good, ethical person, do they deserve to be punished for all eternity?
Human sacrifice is barbaric thing that's for sure, but
1. God told abraham to do that to issac
2. OT still had barberic ideas like slavery, and misogyny
omnikinesis 2 years ago
Hey, you ACTUALLY seem genuinely curious. Keep watching and searching friend. You will find... just as I did and many others.
Look at it this way. God is love and all that is good. Embracing that not of God(sin) grants you complete seperation from all that he is(love, goodness, joy etc.)... That is Hell(Hate, Pain, Sorrow etc.). Good thing is, he has made a way for us to be with him again. Holy and Clean again. Jesus Christ.
-Peace.
SavedTru8 2 years ago
I'm sorry but if you have an omnipotent god, couldn't he have made a better way than committing genocide. The cancer analogy could be made from the Nazi about the jews in WWI. And it also begs the question; why would god allow the israelites to jams spears into to the stomach of pregnant women so their unborn would be dead
omnikinesis 2 years ago
"why would god allow the israelites to jams spears into to the stomach of pregnant women.."
The Israelites never did that, that was the Assyrians. Secondly, you're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is "why is mankind so wicked and sinful, always rebelling against God and bringing judgment on themselves? And how can we be saved from this wicked nature?"
If man fights against God and sins against Him, God will bring judgment sooner or later. Plain and simple.
AgApE010 2 years ago
Why don't you answer the biggest atheist objection: There is no evidence for God.
danillum 2 years ago
Sorry danillum, but yes there is evidence for God.
You just have to be willing to listen to it without prejudice.
The Bible it self is filled with evidence like the prophecies that have been written about and then fulfilled, like Isaiah 53.
That was proven to be written centuries before Jesus' death yet it details it to the letter. Please look with open eyes, and you will see that God's fingerprints are all over His creation!
1jenstand 2 years ago
The evidence you are offering resides in a book which contains so many contradictions that one cannot discern anything intelligible from it. Why should I accept such a thing? Especially since the Bible isn't a unique book. There are many others out there claiming to know the answers to questions that the Bible answers differently.
danillum 2 years ago
spiritual things are unknown to the natural man, but the spiritual man discerns all things. nothing unique, you say? the bible is the only holy book that is backed by 100% accurate prophecy.
want2rock247 2 years ago
Sure, if you want to call copy+paste, prophecy.
danillum 2 years ago
you should check out bigwhammy's video, "the scientific method proves the bible." that is just one example of a major prophecy being fulfilled.
want2rock247 2 years ago
See, this is where you are not listening. Who said there are contradictions? Did you actually look each of them up and verify them? IT is a very unique book. No other book has the fingerprints of God built into them. The Heptadic Structure of the Bible is one way to tell that no one else but the HOLY SPIRIT (through man) could have written the Bible. With careful study of this wonderful book, you can be assured that it is the genuine thing.
1jenstand 2 years ago
I have read the bible. It didn't convince me of any christian god any more than reading old finnish poetry could convince me of the existance of old finnish gods. Besides, christians don't agree on what the bible means, so obviously it's not very clear in it's message.
There are bunch of contradictions. Some christians explain them away (and don't agree on their explanations), while some say it's mythology, and not meant to be taken literally.
Lukkilikka 2 years ago
The man who answers is a liar. There was no repentance offered to the Canaanites and God DOES want people to perish and that is why HE made hell. "Vessels of wrath fitted for destruction".Romans 9:22. God had already planned well in advance the Israelites taking over the houses they did not build and vineyards they did not plant. This video is an out right lie.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
wow your a smart ass, we all know that, he means that if Israelites came and took land but not killed them, those guy would corrupt the holy land, just like america today, the fags and athiest are distroying god presence in america, i feel like we gotta kill this filth in order for americans to lhave no evil living beside them. And that why god said, i will take this nation for the israelite. good and bad cant mix in the holy land, now america is not holy land that why we can never kill you fool
2pacOG 2 years ago
2pac; You're an idiot. Slave trading and Indian massacring America was NEVER a holy land. You're talking out your ass. God wanted them dead because He did not love them. They were vessels of wrath fitted for destruction. Man, you sure are stupid. Learn how to write before you write. Are you retarded?
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
the canaanites DID in fact, hear about the God of israel before the approach of the israelites. the gibeonites even deceived joshua into making peace with them, by saying they were from a far away nation, because they heard of the upcoming conquest.
why do you also ignore the fact that those "vessels of destruction" made their own choices? free will is self-evident, so is creation and you are born with a conscience, so that you are without excuse.
want2rock247 2 years ago
You're absolutely right. This no-free-will view is actually very much selfish. Very well said. Good job!
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
(about the analogy) "Cleaning out what would kill the body", if God did it before, with historical evidence of those events taking place, and He gave us heads up on what is to come in the future in the bible, then its time to wise up or face whats to come. =S
LivingSacrifice888 2 years ago
excellent analogy,lol, if some people are opposing god's will then they should be killed.
What morons!! I can't believe such delusional thinking still exist
rndmbrowser 2 years ago
you fail to understand what this video said
badass1163 2 years ago
How could you convince those who hear this story that it is not applicable to our times
rndmbrowser 2 years ago
doode, AWESOME analogy.
great vid!
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Answers like this make it clear why it is called APOLOGETICS.
God has already shown His arbitrary hand in dealing with what His righteousness must resolve with immediacy.
By the way we have no way to independently confirm the validity of the charge against the Caananites.
In the future let's let God take care of His own killing.
In the future let's let
ChooseThisLife 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this bigwham. Interesting videos.
emmthreejonny 2 years ago
nice one bigwhammy!
diuryl 2 years ago
Weren't certain Canaanites - 'Nephilims' as well? Shalom
theheat151 2 years ago
Yes the original scouts that returned from checking out the promised land reported Nephilim. Which is why they were afraid to enter - which is the sole reason God made them wander 40 years. So you could also argue that the Canaanites were corrupted genetically and not human.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago