Gears 3 Beta - Shotgun Inconsistency - Gnasher/Sawed-Off

[dunklin28]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Fix the shit

[bowser5295]

You went in biased, and got incorrect results. 

[Dungshies]

The Gnasher should be better close range and much worse medium range, it's as simple as that.

[Dungshies]

Your aim is pretty bad but Gnashers shouldn't be shooting as far as a lancer, it's stupid.

[AFXAcid37]

1:08-1:11 is BS. If that happened to me I'd throw my fucking controller through my TV screen.

[DontClickMeNow]

whenever i play i feel like the game handicaps me because i shoot from the same range twice with an active and the other play turns and 1 shots me

[TheKumitechamp]

Ooh ok yeah you missed alot with the sawed off...bit the ghasher was a different story

[TheKumitechamp]

Missing his shots?! Are you kidding me?! Its a Fucking shotgun to the face! The enemy is supposed to go down..I feel ya bro..how can you sneek up on someone, shoot them point blank (twice) and they turn around and kill you..

[514Smokey]

Your aiming is horrible same as your hard aiming

[chisinjong]

There may be some inconsistency in his shots, but no doubt there were some shots that should've killed.

[LucKshoT16]

all i can say about this is Connection beats Skill ! For all wannabe pro's try to get kills with a 16000 moderate NAT !!!

[mord3030]

BTW you know you can't gib while RT aiming after the Mantle Kick right?

[mord3030]

The only thing inconsistent is your aiming lol

[jessetorres16]

i totally agree these problems do exist and the people with better internet are bound to win and because of that they come and talk shit about you sucking. why yes you missed a couple of shots which is normal but there were shots that were just plain bullshit and they cant just man your right there are at least some slight inconsistencies. but its because the person with the better internet will win and have that noobish advantage fucking noobs. bet they wouldnt win with a lower connection

[cbass119]

hahahahahaahaha this game does not have hit detection, u shoot someone 4 times with the gnasher and they kill u in 2? someone please try to justify this shit. gears 3 was obviously not meant to be released when it was or else this video would not exist. how can they even make money off this game?

[xeli1994x]

for guys like you(that cant aim) the sawed off was invented

[qtipbluedog]

From 3:50-5:30.... EPIC fixes sawed off problems.... haha

[thetechx]

It is evident from this video that you miss a lot with the gnasher.

A lot of the earlier sawed-off shots should have been kills. The ones for spread, you are not thinking about the damage they took or didn't take prior to you shooting them. From 6:40 to 6:50, when the spread killed, they took damage from your teammates. At 7:00 they werent damaged at all so your shot didn't do enough to kill them and at 6:51you were too close for the spread to hit them.

[Verchenz0]

ur examples are shit for the gnasher, u miss like half the time. not to mention we dont know when the opponent has active.

[sepultura7771]

Why does only shotguns feel random and inconsistent but not other weapons, same in Halo

[ShoootMeNoow]

Fuck the nasher its for noobs

[eastkilla5]

@ShoootMeNoow THE GNASHER IS FOR NOOBS!? ARE YOU JOKING?!!!!!!!!

[onecarlos13]

@ShoootMeNoow gnasher is for the real players! the sawed off is for faggs who cant use the gnasher because they're randoms/noobs

[John7Shepard]

i know some of it sucks but gears 3 is good now stop bitching beacause shit happens theres always going to be a host bull shit get over it pussy boy

[Closen0ugh]

Man...reliving all this shit must have pissed you off more huh?

Epic are bad devs.

[DFTOdrummer]

i get the same bs with the shot gun. some matches my gnasher is a 1 shot kill close range and 2-3 max mid range. yet other matches i get raped by hard scoping noobs in 1 shot after wallbouncing out of each shot, gettiing 3 point blanks and 2 shots from mid range. im a lvl 32 with an overall k/d of 2.0, according to the stats 72% of my kills were from the gnasher, so its not a skill issue.

[iRavenTM]

This video properly demonstrates the overly long range on the Sawed-Off and how terrible this hard-scoping noob is. +1

[RAAMsocute]

I love chasing little bitches with the gnasher after they miss with the sawed off

[xMouseTrapDJx]

Thank you for making this video i thought i was the only one getting bullshited out of kills and the broken mechanics when you get stuck on nothin or when you get on the wall for cover sometimes you jump over by it self...

[HenryNintendoNerd]

This was the beta so it coul;d have been testing on EPICs side, but its in Retail too sometimes so whats up??

[Povilas45]

gears of war 1 has the best mp of all gears of war games . gow 3 is so pop .. its ridiculous .

[VinylSamuraisMusic]

Feels like you been videoing my Tv to be honest. I do the jump melee thing that must have happened to me 20 times at point blank range and aiming. haha

[Dyyro]

Plus, the gnasher is weak as shit now. So you pretty much ahve to use DBS to get any kills. This video proves that.

[klutz94306]

@Dyyro Holy shit man I'm so glad its notjust me I get so fucking angry when I dont get a one shot kill. Hopfefully they fix this shit and get rid of the double barrelled.

[Dyyro]

The guy that knocked you down in the beginning of the video most likely had actives.

[pingo57]

this solves all the complains, these inconsistencies happens in almost every match, not so bad as it was in the beta, i used dbs in the face in others and they dont die wtf, same with the gnasher, we just need to be lucky and hope this problems wont affect us.

gears of war is so complex, imagine 10 guys doing all sorts of things from colombia to africa in a match, so the connections are too heavy, that results in short lag problems, and well, we saw the results...

[werefett]

I theorize it may have something to do with your distance from servers versus your opponents distance from servers. Some matches I have the problems youre showing, others Im like an action hero.

Game needs to show ping to the servers. That way players can assess how they engage their opponents.

Its still worlds better than the p2p on Gears 2, but I dont see why it wouldnt make a difference in some cases.

[DrewMac0701]

I hate the shotguns simply because of this reason. Its always bullshit. I believe a quote from someone at epic when refrencing the DBS was something along the lines of " destroys everything in its path" you can clearly see from this video that this is bs, sometimes he was right next to them and not even a scratch on them. Shotgun bs is how i die 85% of the time. Rant over, cheers, bye

[DakotaMartinache]

My gnasher worked just fine. I guess that's what you get for being a triple melee bitch. 2:11

[thedarkness5924]

okay your looking for some sort of random generated dmg number to blame for your fail instead of considering the fact that u miss a majority of the time and obviously have never been good at gears cuz u have no sense of jumping or not looking down the sight everytime.

and u dont get out lucked you get out skilled 99% of the time

[ImAMentalPatient]

@thedarkness5924 dude you can clearly see him shoot people in the face at close ranged yet sometimes people get headshots at that ranged and he only gets a damage, Thats bullshit. Sawed-Off ftw.

[TeamRKCommando]

OMG HOW CAN U BE THIS BAD LOL 

[TeamRKCommando]

All these shots r epic fails....

[TeamRKCommando]

u missed at 0:37, omg let me stop right there, if yall rnt noticing he misses every shot, u new to this game... go bak to cod if ur going to wine about u sucking so much dick

[Aaroniish]

@TeamRKCommando Are on drugs? You clearly see blood spray out the fucker from the first shot that hit him dead on at that range i love GoW3 myself but it's broken as fuck.

[lilmike5oo7]

this never happened to me

[dabaepure1]

All of these comments are wrong, to fix this, aim with the sawed off and no scope with gnasher. Also I would recomend getting a new connection.

[killmedead11]

I agree with most people's comments. This is exactly why people from gow 2 who are use to hard aiming and getting ridiculous downs aren't going to be good at gow 3. The shotty hands down leads towards gow 1 way more.

[AJBroncos77]

I didn't have any of these problems when I played the beta. I think u had these "inconsistencies" because of your connection and aim. Some of the dbs shots were bullshit though.

[NAAyres]

haha its not shotgun inconsistency its just your horrible at this game im not trying to rag on you or anything but your just missing your shots

[gangaf1]

Your not doing damage because your missing 80% of your shots. Not inconsistent, it's bad aim.

[BOOMHEADSHOT033]

ive never had these problems on the beta, but it might be down to connection speed as mine is really fast and i dont get any problems, but my fiends is average and he got the occasional crap like you did in this video. I might be wrong but i dont know.

[BuGzBuNNy2SiK]

and no i aint dead to kno this shit, i still be on gears 2 get at me, 600 all-time

[BuGzBuNNy2SiK]

of course it happens sometimes but it seems like ur shit is consistent. i have comcast with 50mbps or whatever and it costs but its for gaming.. no hard feelings....

[BuGzBuNNy2SiK]

DAYUMM U HAVE CONNECT PROBLEMS!! MY SHIT NEVER DID THAT

[Yummyboidashow]

ur garbage....lol no lie....an i aint jus talkin shit....this is pitiful...u were moving way too much..think bout ur shots...ur jus wasting ammo

[RorschachPT]

@Yummyboidashow "moving way too much for gears of war" that's certanly a first ... you are a genius... loooooooooooooooooooooooooooll­lllllll

[TheJoniGomes]

@RorschachPT é mazé maluco!

[RorschachPT]

@TheJoniGomes eheh pois =)

[Quickscopes28]

I'm sorry but its pretty funny watching how much u suck at this game, u could have labled it noob sucks ass. Stop crying because u suck so bad

[TheJoniGomes]

@Quickscopes28 really? do you think that sawed-off shots don't register cause he's a friggin' noob!!! the hit box is broken, it's a gears tradition

[TheMercifulstew]

i hope you know they dont do dedicted servers everyday.. some days yes the shotgun will be inconsistent so will be the sawed off but really... idc it sucks for you because i lied i dont have any of these problems got a bad connection?

[crgray211]

Such as where you're going to wallbounce or strafe next, b/c now gears has evolved into something besides a shotgun war. It's not all about one shots, especially for 1v1's. Focus on avoidance rather than killshots. The long run is almost always better. The only time you need to go for a killshot is when ammo runs low, which is more of a possibility in GoW3. Video games are mental as much as they are physical motions with the controller.

[crgray211]

When you start using slow-motion at the end your not quick enough. If u watch closely, you will see that the bullet counter on the HUD remains the same. Sometimes even if you feel you are quick enough and sometimes you see the shot come out, they actually shot before you so, being technical it is fair. Try to play more tactically(that doesn't mean camping...) and try to give yourself an advantage. You need to know what your next move should be before you shoot your next shot.

[CptUSMC]

@crgray211 I disagree. He was not slow in some of them. I think it is a poor "Client Side Hit Detection". His update should have counted since he (1) fired the weapon, (2) bullets came out on his screen, and (3) there was blood (indicating damage should have been dealt). I think the engine puts players into a list (taking their inputs) but when you are dead, it stops taking certain inputs. Basically, he died in the prior update, lag allowed him to fire and his update was not considered.

[tigger22408]

A few smaller things- enemies who are roadie running ussually dont go down in one shot- your safest bet is a blindfire and then a quick roll. Also if you get too close to enemies it's ALOT easier to miss ex.- shots after a mantle kick. If you get too close you have a higher chance of accidently shooting around em. Another note aboutt eh mantle kick- you only get one shot, if you dont place it perfectly they will kill you. Last thing is you aren;t getting close enough with the sawed off.

[tigger22408]

However your wrong about the shotgun consistency. I've played every gears and the shotgun consistency has slowly gotten better- it's nearly flawless in this game. You really need to watch your shots a little better. Your missing alot of shots- and the ones who do land are only part of the bullets. Practice a little more with popshoting and blindfiring and you'll see what I mean.

[tigger22408]

ok a few things- the first example you show- the enemie's shot threw off your aim and you missed- you fired too far to the left. Most of your other examples aftert hat you missed important shots- if you look at it- alot of the times you fired only half the shots landed because you fired too early. On a more positive note- I am glad that acknowledge that the shotguns are balanced gameplay wise. Too many people complain about the dbs and I alwasy wonder- why get in close if you know he has one?!

[macknbeezy10]

I just watched ur video, an u do have some very good points, the sawed off sucks an there has been some times I wa robbed of a kill when I really had it, still to this day in GOW 2 I still have some problems with my gnasher when I'm right on top of tha guy, but at the end of ur show, u made a comment saying that the retro was over powered, that I do not agree. The retro is suppose 2 be the most powerful of the lancers, but other than that u had a good point

[rua893]

this game is caca

[lelylb15]

Sorry i had to post such long comments. Just wanted to explain to everyone in depth so they could understand clearer. My suggestion is to get a new connection. Ive seen things like this in cod and halo and it is all lag my friend.

[antonesqx]

@lelylb15 I think everyone knows its lag. When watching this, I think its clear the video is suggesting EPIC tries to beef up its netcode, not try to 'fix' hitboxes. If a guy can make ggpo netcode in a couple of weeks, we're all hoping that EPIC tries to make something equally as effective in the remaining months before release. The video illustrates how poor netcode still plagues the series. (but other than that, the game is looking to be near-flawless)

[lelylb15]

Let me explain this. With the gnasher you arent always getting full contact shots but rather 1/2 shots. Thats when half of the spread of one gnash shot actually hits the hit box of the enemy resulting in less damage. Though it may seem that you hit him with a full shot, your lag makes half or more of your shot miss. That is why youre not downing so fast. When it comes to the shot for shot close kills, that is just your connection being slower than the enemy and your shot not getting off in time.

[tigger22408]

@lelylb15 Did you play the beta? If you have you'd know that lag plays no part in the fights at all. Gears 1 and 2 I would agree with you in a heartbeat, but this game does not lag. Please stop trying to make up excuses for poor shotgun skills. Gears of war takes alot of skill. That's that. It's not call of duty- you can't expect to win every shotgun fight you get in. If it bothers you that much then rely on your rifle a little more- or grab a retro and you'll never have to shotgun duel again.

[lelylb15]

With the sawed off, the lag is what prevents you from hitting the right range. When you fire those DBS shots the lag actually gives the person you are shooting enough time to be just outside of range or outside your spread. Thats why you see just hits and total misses. By the time you fire, the person has already moves away from the shot you see. You cant say dedicated servers do much because it fixes host not you connecting to the servers. Plus some of the enemies you showed couldve had actives

[tigger22408]

@lelylb15 if your connection's fine- gears 3 has no lag. At all. Ever.

[RicHen0405]

Why are you hardaiming you bad kid...

[CRUNKMCFUNK]

Great video, I can definitely say that this sort of thing has happened to me a lot too and they should really try to fix it

[TheHotGlue]

It helps if you actually AIM DOWN SIGHT. I know it's hard for some of you to understand, but if you aim down sight, your spread decreases a tiny bit.

[xxdreadzone15x]

i c the problem most of those r game bugs and lag but the mayority is gamebug thats why epic did the beta so in the ful retail there wont be any issues and gamebugs

[xMIxpsycho]

If you notice at 7:25 - 8:00 you'll see your shot wasn't leaving your gun, meaning 1 of 2 things. 1) your laging and your shot didn't come out on opponents screen 2) enemy is lagin and actual pulled the trigger earlier then the game show'd

[XGXane]

Seems like lag on your end bro.

[RTM666]

I didn't really have too many problems with the gnasher....and supposedly the sawed off is being axed from the retail game.

[BlueLikeWoah]

@RTM666 That's not true in the slightest.

[VCfenix]

I saw no problems with the gnasher. U just missed on those. the sawed-off ones u can blame lag for....

[LambentTaco826]

Wow.. This is terrible. Epic has to fix this.

That first shot would happen to me all the time. Really annoying.

[INTRO173]

Seems like lag on your end, my friends and I played forever and no one had a problem.

[XpoopinyofaceXz]

get vid. That is really messed up. got robbed alot

[Gunnyminoso96]

Dude rly nice vdeo. Post it on Epic Forums though I'm sure theres alot off ppl who'd agree with you