Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. writes: "The underlying premise in the arguments pro-abortionists give against fetal personhood is that non-persons can change into persons. They are saying that a living being can undergo a radical, essential change in its nature during its lifetime. But there is a logical problem here. If the change was biologically inevitable from conception, given time, then this change is not a change in essential nature. This is because if the being naturally initiates the change,
It must be in its nature from the beginning to do so. If it is in its nature to do so, then despite any changes in such characteristics as independence, place of residence, physical development, or demonstration of mental ability, what the being is in later life is what the being is from the beginning of its life. This means that if we are persons with the right to be free from aggression later in life, we are persons even at conception." "A False Assumption," Libertarians for Life,
LOL!!!! This is the funniest thing to happen to me: I was getting frustrated because I couldn't find a "real interview" with Kristi Burton. I would watch one video, assume it was a parody, then watch another, yet another parody, and then another, and alas, another parody... and yet no, NOT A PARODY AT ALL! None of those videos were parodies. Kristy Burton just sounds like a parody of a real person!!! LOL!
This is great! Ever notice how those who are fighting abortion are usually the ones who want to use it as birth-control. The rare cases of the mother's life in danger, rape, or situations where it is not birth control are still clearly able to be performed. It is the voice of those who are not able to speak, the unborn who need to have their rights protected! Save the babies!
Women 8.5 months pregnant shouldn't take the risk of driving. Driving is much more deadly than smoking a cigarette, or drink alcohol, two things far less risky than driving, mothers do not do because of their risks for the fetus. If you are passionate about this issue, ban pregnant woman from driving.
@Jonfonya smoking cause so many issues take a "real" person who has asthma if it is bad enough then being around someone who smokes can kill them. Also, if a pregnant woman is smoking or around smoke then it lowers the resperation rate of herself along with the fetus, embryo, clump of cells or whatever other dehumanising terms you care to use. Also, it lowers the heart rate of said fetus etc along with the mothers so in effect not only is she hurting herself but that of a future person.
I would have a little more respect for "prolife" wackos if at least they were consistent. I bet this girl is pro death penalty, pro illegal war in Arabic nations, is cool with the Chinese government's forced abortion policies and does not see abortion clinic bombers as terrorists. At least Pro Choice people are consistent; they believe abortion should be neither forced nor denied, but a woman's personal health decision.
@javy150 I am pro-life i am against the death penalty never wanted this war and wishes that my husband could come home and be with our family, can't stand Chinas law about forced abortion and in most cases there in no medical reason for the abortion. Incest rape and health fine. One night stand not ok
"Amendment 48 is based on a lot of medical science...."
Are you joking? This is an emotionally derived religious amendment that would prevent women from accessing many forms of birth control, all based on the untenable (both legally and morally) belief that a fertilized egg has the same constitutional rights as a patient.
No amendment should stop a woman from using contraception or controlling her own future!
This "simple sentence" creates a dangerous slippery slope.
If a zygote has the same legal rights as a woman one would have to assume that all women are pregnant at all times. Pregnancy tests do not detect hCG for about 2 weeks after an egg is fetilized.
Want cancer treatment ... too bad you could be pregnant.
Want a flu shot ... too bad, there could be a bun in the oven.
With all the killing and real death in the world, this dummy wants to focus on this crap. She is totally wasting her time---just like all the other anti-abortion/anti-women-having-sex crazies. I see that she never really comes out and states emphatically what the goal of her lunatic proposal is. Her existence is a total waste of water.
If everyone had the same economic standing, then using race would be discrimination. We need race based decisions because everyone is NOT in the same economic standing. What these people are saying is that it is not fair to rich white kids that get the private tutoring and the expensive SAT preparation that their parents could afford to get them into college.
i heard that joke before and still don't think it's funny, but i heard that one about 100 puppies or 100 kittens in place of babies, or liberals, or conservative, etc...yadayadayada, and that wasn't very funny either. but this one is: i love dogs and cats -- and they make good pets too...LOL!
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
ms burton, great hearing you discuss this debate on 630 khow, excellent articulation of the truth and necessity of this amendment. i noticed how your opposition chose to not answer questions, was elusive, deceptive and wouldn't admit the lies told by their tv ads. they're getting desperate, and as usual must resort to deceiving the public to their ulterior motives and hidden agendas as well as the folks that bankroll their side. despicable! again, great job, please keep it up and don't quit!
wow, very intelligent comment, do you have any more brighter ideas? or jokes? here i attack the comment, and not the person though you have to be intellectually honest and ask yourself that hopefully this person does not have/is close to/or interacts with any children of any age. hope they don't live in your hometown either. good thing about colorado? conceal carry law doesn't apply to felons. what sane person thinks this is actually funny? like i said before, it's all about killing babies...
great articulation of why this amendment needs to pass. come on liberal people, tolerate intolerance of those who DON'T agree with killing babies. it's all about the babies...be afraid, be very afraid...you will be losing all of your evil powers...like i said, it's not about choice, it's about babies...now make a choice--kill babies or not kill babies? glad i could make this as simple as possible so all rational people could understand this!
Say this amendment passes. Great. Drive to any neighboring state and get an abortion.
I read this woman was home schooled and is attending law school online designed for people that were home-schooled (lol wut?). I imagine that is so she doesn't have to go into the real world and discover some of the painful reasons in life that sometimes make abortion the best choice.
well, there you liberals go again...attack the person, never mind the ideas...come on, didn't you go to public school? oops, there i go again too, LOL
So brochure, if she says this amendment won't outlaw abortion, etc. Um, then why are all you prolifers so behind this amendment? Oh wait she's a fucking hypocrite and contradicting herself. Just because she's a bible thumper who thinks everyone should abstain just because she can't get laid doesn't mean the rest of the population has to follow suit.
Embryonic stem cells = Eggs that have been fertilized in vitro (not while in the body) = People? If this amendment were to pass, every biologist would be labeled a murderer. Just what our society needs, less people who are scientifically educated and working to better our understanding of our bodies, and more obnoxious, religious zealots preaching on what they don't know.
Oh and way to be a complete hypocrite Kristi! Great job on telling those special interest groups that we're tired of having our tax dollars go to them!
Oh wait, you're part of a special interest group as well! OOPS!
Great job Kristi! This simple amendment makes so much sense. I can easily ignore the for-profit abortion idiots who spew their death mantras trying to scare people because they think voters are as stupid as they are greedy. Giving protection and legal standing to the unborn is totally common sense for the issues that affect them. By not having these babies 'defined' by law, they are no more valued than a toenail or hair clippings and can be discarded as trash. Human life is not trash! YES- 48
brochureman - please take your ultra-religious ideals elsewhere. Like the middle east. An egg is not a person, it does NOT take a breath like a person must to stay alive. Saying you support this crap means you don't care about those victims of rape/incest either. So what if they get pregnant right? They must have put themselves in the situation to be raped right? This amendment is bullshit and takes away PERSONAL rights just because a pro-life group wants their views put on everyone. Fuck that.
Ms. Burton needs to move her cause to Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or other coutries where women's reproductive rights (in addition to social, political, or economic rights) are essentially non-existent. Such amendments like 48 have no place in the laws of a free, democratic society. Vote NO on Amendment 48!
I am convinced that you value human life no more, likely less, than I do...Instead you value the agenda of a radical fundamental religious ideology. I was born in Colorado Springs and I was raised by contributors of your cause. I know how much you southern coloradeeaanns value the mythos of your Adult Santa Clause Jesus. You have borrowed from science incorrectly interpreted the Bible incorrectly and you are messing with the Constitution of our great state. You go too far!
What I mean to say is that the moment that the man cell (sperm) penetrates the female cell (the egg) is not the moment of the existence of a new human being. The moment that a human form of life in mitosis transforms into a potential human being is the moment that the sentient host organism, THE MOTHER, of sound mind ordains the existence of the growing mitosis as distinct from a Fetus and refers to it as a baby or the laws of man visa vie Roe Vs. Wade refer to IT as a person.
This is an extremely uninformed, unintelligent idea. A fertilized egg is not a person. Every cell is a form of human life. A fertilized egg is not a person. The moment that the man cell (sperm) penetrates the female cell (the egg).
Wow ! ! ! I am late on knowing all of this. You have opened my eyes here. Thank you ! : )
jacknj777 1 year ago
Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. writes: "The underlying premise in the arguments pro-abortionists give against fetal personhood is that non-persons can change into persons. They are saying that a living being can undergo a radical, essential change in its nature during its lifetime. But there is a logical problem here. If the change was biologically inevitable from conception, given time, then this change is not a change in essential nature. This is because if the being naturally initiates the change,
teton99 1 year ago
It must be in its nature from the beginning to do so. If it is in its nature to do so, then despite any changes in such characteristics as independence, place of residence, physical development, or demonstration of mental ability, what the being is in later life is what the being is from the beginning of its life. This means that if we are persons with the right to be free from aggression later in life, we are persons even at conception." "A False Assumption," Libertarians for Life,
teton99 1 year ago
LOL!!!! This is the funniest thing to happen to me: I was getting frustrated because I couldn't find a "real interview" with Kristi Burton. I would watch one video, assume it was a parody, then watch another, yet another parody, and then another, and alas, another parody... and yet no, NOT A PARODY AT ALL! None of those videos were parodies. Kristy Burton just sounds like a parody of a real person!!! LOL!
OctatronOmega 1 year ago
This is great! Ever notice how those who are fighting abortion are usually the ones who want to use it as birth-control. The rare cases of the mother's life in danger, rape, or situations where it is not birth control are still clearly able to be performed. It is the voice of those who are not able to speak, the unborn who need to have their rights protected! Save the babies!
pangea7777 2 years ago
Women 8.5 months pregnant shouldn't take the risk of driving. Driving is much more deadly than smoking a cigarette, or drink alcohol, two things far less risky than driving, mothers do not do because of their risks for the fetus. If you are passionate about this issue, ban pregnant woman from driving.
Jonfonya 2 years ago
@Jonfonya smoking cause so many issues take a "real" person who has asthma if it is bad enough then being around someone who smokes can kill them. Also, if a pregnant woman is smoking or around smoke then it lowers the resperation rate of herself along with the fetus, embryo, clump of cells or whatever other dehumanising terms you care to use. Also, it lowers the heart rate of said fetus etc along with the mothers so in effect not only is she hurting herself but that of a future person.
lizdecarlo 8 months ago
I would have a little more respect for "prolife" wackos if at least they were consistent. I bet this girl is pro death penalty, pro illegal war in Arabic nations, is cool with the Chinese government's forced abortion policies and does not see abortion clinic bombers as terrorists. At least Pro Choice people are consistent; they believe abortion should be neither forced nor denied, but a woman's personal health decision.
javy150 3 years ago
@javy150 I am pro-life i am against the death penalty never wanted this war and wishes that my husband could come home and be with our family, can't stand Chinas law about forced abortion and in most cases there in no medical reason for the abortion. Incest rape and health fine. One night stand not ok
lizdecarlo 8 months ago
what a CRAZY concept...we are HUMAN when we become HUMAN...hmmm Brilliant. 48 is common sense. anyone voting NO are murderers
TheGiftOfLife 3 years ago
Epic Fail in Colorado
LANMANET 3 years ago
What a nutjob.
hagelslagg 3 years ago 3
You got your Butts kicked in colorado.
HowardSternn 3 years ago 3
HAHA
YOU LOST!
igoreka 3 years ago 3
"Amendment 48 is based on a lot of medical science...."
Are you joking? This is an emotionally derived religious amendment that would prevent women from accessing many forms of birth control, all based on the untenable (both legally and morally) belief that a fertilized egg has the same constitutional rights as a patient.
No amendment should stop a woman from using contraception or controlling her own future!
masterofmetacognitio 3 years ago 4
This "simple sentence" creates a dangerous slippery slope.
If a zygote has the same legal rights as a woman one would have to assume that all women are pregnant at all times. Pregnancy tests do not detect hCG for about 2 weeks after an egg is fetilized.
Want cancer treatment ... too bad you could be pregnant.
Want a flu shot ... too bad, there could be a bun in the oven.
Want a beer ... too bad you might be knocked up.
48 reduces women to walking incubators.
anitaj42 3 years ago 2
With all the killing and real death in the world, this dummy wants to focus on this crap. She is totally wasting her time---just like all the other anti-abortion/anti-women-having-sex crazies. I see that she never really comes out and states emphatically what the goal of her lunatic proposal is. Her existence is a total waste of water.
kurd711 3 years ago 2
If everyone had the same economic standing, then using race would be discrimination. We need race based decisions because everyone is NOT in the same economic standing. What these people are saying is that it is not fair to rich white kids that get the private tutoring and the expensive SAT preparation that their parents could afford to get them into college.
1453074 3 years ago
what else you got yo?
goodtobeyou 3 years ago
What do you call an abortion in Prague?
A canceled Czech!!!
LANMANET 3 years ago
i heard that joke before and still don't think it's funny, but i heard that one about 100 puppies or 100 kittens in place of babies, or liberals, or conservative, etc...yadayadayada, and that wasn't very funny either. but this one is: i love dogs and cats -- and they make good pets too...LOL!
goodtobeyou 3 years ago
LOL? the only thing laughing after this wins is the sound of babies laughing for joy my friend.
goodtobeyou 3 years ago
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ms burton, great hearing you discuss this debate on 630 khow, excellent articulation of the truth and necessity of this amendment. i noticed how your opposition chose to not answer questions, was elusive, deceptive and wouldn't admit the lies told by their tv ads. they're getting desperate, and as usual must resort to deceiving the public to their ulterior motives and hidden agendas as well as the folks that bankroll their side. despicable! again, great job, please keep it up and don't quit!
goodtobeyou 3 years ago
It is always about killing teh babies... because it is always hilarious!!
How do you get 100 babies into a bucket?
With a blender!!!
How do you get them out again?
With tortilla chips!!!!
lolololololol!!!!11
etmac88 3 years ago 3
LOL!
protectfamilies 3 years ago
wow, very intelligent comment, do you have any more brighter ideas? or jokes? here i attack the comment, and not the person though you have to be intellectually honest and ask yourself that hopefully this person does not have/is close to/or interacts with any children of any age. hope they don't live in your hometown either. good thing about colorado? conceal carry law doesn't apply to felons. what sane person thinks this is actually funny? like i said before, it's all about killing babies...
goodtobeyou 3 years ago
great articulation of why this amendment needs to pass. come on liberal people, tolerate intolerance of those who DON'T agree with killing babies. it's all about the babies...be afraid, be very afraid...you will be losing all of your evil powers...like i said, it's not about choice, it's about babies...now make a choice--kill babies or not kill babies? glad i could make this as simple as possible so all rational people could understand this!
bsjr4500 3 years ago
whats better than 12 babies in one dumpster?
1 baby in 12 dumpsters!! lol!!!
Abackov 3 years ago 2
Say this amendment passes. Great. Drive to any neighboring state and get an abortion.
I read this woman was home schooled and is attending law school online designed for people that were home-schooled (lol wut?). I imagine that is so she doesn't have to go into the real world and discover some of the painful reasons in life that sometimes make abortion the best choice.
LANMANET 3 years ago
well, there you liberals go again...attack the person, never mind the ideas...come on, didn't you go to public school? oops, there i go again too, LOL
bsjr4500 3 years ago
how does defining a person outlaw birth control? you are ridiculous. this is the worst idea ever!
misspersson 3 years ago 3
So brochure, if she says this amendment won't outlaw abortion, etc. Um, then why are all you prolifers so behind this amendment? Oh wait she's a fucking hypocrite and contradicting herself. Just because she's a bible thumper who thinks everyone should abstain just because she can't get laid doesn't mean the rest of the population has to follow suit.
bse523 3 years ago
you have lost your mind
tasitirona88 3 years ago 3
A big NO for me. Keep personal religious beliefs out of government. Thats really all this boils down to with the Christian Right.
brfts2001 3 years ago
Embryonic stem cells = Eggs that have been fertilized in vitro (not while in the body) = People? If this amendment were to pass, every biologist would be labeled a murderer. Just what our society needs, less people who are scientifically educated and working to better our understanding of our bodies, and more obnoxious, religious zealots preaching on what they don't know.
xLibertango 3 years ago
Wow, handicapped adults = babies to you? I wonder how these adults feel about being equated with infants.
ihaveopposablethumbs 3 years ago 2
Oh and way to be a complete hypocrite Kristi! Great job on telling those special interest groups that we're tired of having our tax dollars go to them!
Oh wait, you're part of a special interest group as well! OOPS!
bse523 3 years ago
Great job Kristi! This simple amendment makes so much sense. I can easily ignore the for-profit abortion idiots who spew their death mantras trying to scare people because they think voters are as stupid as they are greedy. Giving protection and legal standing to the unborn is totally common sense for the issues that affect them. By not having these babies 'defined' by law, they are no more valued than a toenail or hair clippings and can be discarded as trash. Human life is not trash! YES- 48
brochureman 3 years ago
brochureman - please take your ultra-religious ideals elsewhere. Like the middle east. An egg is not a person, it does NOT take a breath like a person must to stay alive. Saying you support this crap means you don't care about those victims of rape/incest either. So what if they get pregnant right? They must have put themselves in the situation to be raped right? This amendment is bullshit and takes away PERSONAL rights just because a pro-life group wants their views put on everyone. Fuck that.
bse523 3 years ago
ammendment 48 means that if you have a miscarraige, you commited murder. how does that make sense???
Greendayguy221 3 years ago
Ms. Burton needs to move her cause to Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or other coutries where women's reproductive rights (in addition to social, political, or economic rights) are essentially non-existent. Such amendments like 48 have no place in the laws of a free, democratic society. Vote NO on Amendment 48!
ilovemycat00 3 years ago
Dear Kristi Burton,
I am convinced that you value human life no more, likely less, than I do...Instead you value the agenda of a radical fundamental religious ideology. I was born in Colorado Springs and I was raised by contributors of your cause. I know how much you southern coloradeeaanns value the mythos of your Adult Santa Clause Jesus. You have borrowed from science incorrectly interpreted the Bible incorrectly and you are messing with the Constitution of our great state. You go too far!
csanten 3 years ago
What I mean to say is that the moment that the man cell (sperm) penetrates the female cell (the egg) is not the moment of the existence of a new human being. The moment that a human form of life in mitosis transforms into a potential human being is the moment that the sentient host organism, THE MOTHER, of sound mind ordains the existence of the growing mitosis as distinct from a Fetus and refers to it as a baby or the laws of man visa vie Roe Vs. Wade refer to IT as a person.
csanten 3 years ago
This is an extremely uninformed, unintelligent idea. A fertilized egg is not a person. Every cell is a form of human life. A fertilized egg is not a person. The moment that the man cell (sperm) penetrates the female cell (the egg).
THIS IS NOT A COMMON SENSE STARTING POINT.
A MICROBE IS NOT A PERSON!!!!
TAKE A SCIENCE CLASS IN A SECULAR UNIVERSITY!!
csanten 3 years ago
Life is precious, but amendment 48 would limit the rights of adult women to use birth control.. including the pill and iud.
ihaveopposablethumbs 3 years ago