@KiprosPAO Hitler's religion (or lack of) is too questionable to say he was a believer or non-believer. Stalin and Pol Pot forced Atheism upon their people to control them, much like religious leaders have done in the past. They can both be used as tools of propaganda, but atheists still have better morals because they don't take them from the book, and they don't behave out of fear of punishment in fire, and they don't expect to get rewarded when they die.
@SmervinMervin24 I mostly agree with you. Though, I cannot imagine how can atheistic belief (or disbelief to be precise) be used to manipulate people?
I think the reason for trying to push atheism was to get rid of the strongest existing opposition - organised religion, which was already manipulating people in the first place.
@yancur Exactly! And if they're not being manipulated by religion, they're damn sure to be manipulated by a man (through the use of propaganda) that appears god-like.
Right, Jesus (peace be upon him) would not be a Christian, Mr. Twain, because he has always been a man who was a practising Jew from the Israelite tribe of Judah. And has never invited Gentiles to be Jews.
@KiprosPAO -Hitler was a Roman Catholic,while the others presented themselves as the head of their own churches.Stalinism was a religion unto itself.Thomas Jefferson is also another famous deist.
I'm not between either atheists and religious people, I'm above them.. why you ask? because everything in this universe has a creator, so why can\t the universe have a creator?
@StayGoldDallybear Is the "creator" part of "everything", apparently is. Then he needs to have a creator himself. This however leads to infinite regress..
abraham Lincoln had times when he would go off the deep end for he had mental trouble at times. He was a very smart man but at times he would go off for weeks at a time and just about say anything !
Albert was speaking about certain races was told they could not have God in them because of their Race. Blacks could not have God in them.
Ernest thought he was better than anybody else.
Fredrich was a Racist who said God is dead & we should celebrate being dead and dieing dead ! He's LSD trip !
My problem with this video is that you lump Atheists with Deists, when I feel Deists are closer to Religious people since they share a belief in God, whereas Atheists lack a belief in God.
IMO, believing in God and not believing in God is a bigger difference than believing in certain rituals and practices associated with belief in God and not believing in those rituals and traditions is.
I believe that not killing people in name of imaginary being, not forcing children to a toxic belief, not creating unnecessary tension between nations and groups of people is far more important than whether someone believes that the Universe started off Naturally or Supernaturally.. That difference doesn't matter in the real world. All the above do.
However I also believe that people committing these actions do not represent their proper religion- and everything you just named could easily be applied to those who do not have a religion either.
@prosandkhans Atheists, agnostics and deists are intellectual allies who pretty much agree on eveything up to 4.5 billion years ago. We should all be classified as non-theists. Deism only has one component of religion. It should not count as one. I am sick to death of theists (especially Muslims, Christians & Catholics) taking credit for the accomplishments of deists.
@incomprehensible14 Truer words couldn't have been spoken. Atheists, Deists and Agnostics (As Well as Ignostics and Pandeists) are, in the end, different forms of Irreligion. Another thing I like about these groups is that we follow no particular code, we make our OWN codes! Thus, we have risen above the flock (Theists) and, in a way, became "Ze Übermensch"!
Then again, there are a few Non-Theistic religions too: Buhddism, Jainism and (La-Veyan) Satanism, for example...
@MrDeepakk89 oh let me answer that, no one created god, cause god doesn't exist, he is the imaginary friend of the weak and the dumb, look at yourself , making questions knowing that no one cant really answer you, fucking religious people, they are not human but animals and criminals for commiting a felony by beliveing a fairytale, well i respect your..beliefs? LOL well have a nice day
@Mr88playmaker Dude stop trying, your logic is flawed. Btw, did you know there is another group that believe in Intelligent Design, except they don't think it was god, they think its created by Aliens....they're silly people for believing that, aren't they?
@Mr88playmaker scientists have observed a tendency towards increasing complexity on earth and in the cosmos ever since the big bang. Intelligence and logic, as venerable as they are, are just inflections of this tendency. At worse they are very cheap commodity in the entirety of the cosmos; at best, a memorable parlor trick in the span of cosmic time. These concepts are simply something that molecules do, given 4 BILLION years of evolution.
Atheists maintain that intelligence arises out of non-intelligence. Atheist maintain that logic arises out of meaningless, random chaos and is continually evolving via meaningless random chaos.
Creationists maintain that intelligence, info & logic arise from a mind.
1) Atheism is lack of belief in a Deities nothing more nothing less. So atheists can believe pretty much anything they want even the nonsense you wrote, as long as they lack belief in gods. They usually don't though.
2) Rationalists which is what you probably meant originally don't believe that logic comes from meaningless.And whether intelligence arises from non-intelligence depends solely on your definition of intelligence.
@yancur (QUOTE): "Atheism is lack of belief in a Deities nothing more nothing less. So atheists can believe pretty much anything they want even the nonsense you wrote, as long as they lack belief in gods." (END QUOTE)
I am a A-Atheist which is one who does not believe in the non-belief of God or gods. I believe there are many gods, and one True God There is proof of gods all around. You yourself have many gods. I have ONE.
Atheists do not reject that intelligence arises from the mind of God.
You may well be an A-Atheist, but just until you say that god wants this or that, or that you know ANYTHING about god(s) at all. That moment you stop being pure A-Atheist (one who lacks belief in the lack of belief in gods) and become a Theist.
Sure they reject it by definition, since they disbelieve in gods' existence. But whether intelligence comes from non-intelligence depends on the definition of intelligence used..
You know, a deist can at least defend his position logically. He recognizes the mind of God and who can argue logically against it. Intelligence arises from an intelligent source. An agnostic may lack wisdom or be in denial BUT if his position is to say "Hey, the more I know, the more I know how little I know" he's not counted a complete fool. An atheist though utilizes NO logic because an atheist neither acknowledges the mind of God nor has the common sense to say "Wow, I'm not sure".
Defend Deists position? How? Universe is too complex to be uncreated so it needs a Creator? This is what you call logic? But the next obvious argument is. The Creator of universe is far too complex to be uncreated and therefore needs a SuperCreator himself. Infinite regress.
Atheist-Rationalist stops where the evidence does. We all know Universe exist and therefore there we stop. We make no assumptions as deists or theists do, since they know nothing more than we do.
A Deist maintains that intelligence arises from an intelligent source. No one can argue against that. It is perfectly air-tight logical. A Deist maintains that logic arises from an intelligent source. Again, only an illogical idiot would disagree.
Atheist-Rationalist are illogical people who try to "rationalize" away sound scientific facts that Deists have no problem accepting and admitting out loud.
So your claim is that: Intelligence can come only from intelligence. Since God is itelligent he, BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION, needs an Itelligence to create him.
@yancur (QUOTE)"The Creator of universe is far too complex to be uncreated and therefore needs a SuperCreator himself. Infinite regress." (END QUOTE)
Logic demands The 1st cause Intelligent Agent from whence intelligence arises can not himself be created; otherwise he would not be the 1st cause agent. A creation can not precede its creator. The intelligent 1st cause agent who created time and space must be eternal -from everlasting to everlasting- and not bound by time: because he CREATED time.
Logic doesn't demand such thing. This is just your unproven claim. (In fact cosomology and biology scientists know it is false)
You still didn't define Intelligence and yet you are operating with the term as if we both knew what you mean by that!
Since you didn't define it, I'm free to use my own definition of itelligence which says that Universe is intelligent in itself and hence even under your ridiculous unproven assumptions is itself the "1. cause" that needs no "creator".
@yancur (QUOTE): You still didn't define Intelligence and yet you are operating with the term as if we both knew what you mean by that!" (END QUOTE)
Are you so lazy that you can not look up the word "intelligence" to find out what it means? Are you freakin kidding me?
Look it up. It's a simple, common word. There's nothing magical about my use use of the word "intelligence." Trust me on that. Look it up and find out what the word means.
I was kinda hoping you'd say something asinine and ignoarant as this.
1)Any term from human language MUST be used within the domain it was meant and designated for.Because outside its domain it may be misleading, confusing or outright meaningless.Intelligence is word used in context with humans or animals so it certainly doesn't include God who surpasses anything we can imagine.I gave you chance to use your definition which you in your arrogance refused.
2)Def. of Intelligence is ability to understand,learn,plan or adapt.NONE of which could be ascribed to an All-knowing, All-powerful entity! God cannot learn cos' he knows everything,cant adapt, plan or reason. He creates everything so there is nothing unknown to him to use such abilities!
It's just your slaverish servility that forces you to ascribe all possible superlatives to this entity but in your ingnorance you didnt see that it is in fact an insult for an almighty god!
3) With all that said, I've proven that YOUR all-powerful, all-knowing God by our STANDARD definition of Intelligence IS NOT Intelligent!
Therefore according to your tautological argument (which is nothing but a more fancy way of saying that "God is the uncreated creator cos he's God!") , all-knowing God couldn't be the Creator of Universe!
Good video, thanks. But the color of the font white makes it difficult to read because of the black and white background. I would suggest to put the text below with black background.
I will say one thing here. Watch out where you put Samuel Clemens in the line of christians or not. he could see the money preachers coming and the Pope in his Million dollar robe, and he would shoot cheap shots at them. Would you want your preacher to wear a $6,000,000.00 Hat and a $1,000,000.00 dollar Robe when he preached to you ? Not Me !
the so famous people in the video were the ones who brought chaos and destruction to our world...and their greed for fame made us part of the collateral damage...
Im very sorry about that very nasty comment. I was actually wrong. Einstein did say that. I'm Jewish too and I don't want to make us look bad. You're not a douche yancur and I'm real sorry about your father. Please forgive me I was in a reAl bad mood.
Albert Einstein wasn't atheist. He was Jewish. He went to synygougue every Saturday. You dirty liar son of a bitch. Don't you dare put words in someones mouth, especially the greatest mind ever to exist because you made him sound like a douche only because you are.
For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.
wonder why this wonderful video ain't going viral... shouldn't atheists embed such videos in their blogs or facebook or orkut or whatever at every opportunity?..........maybe even news-sites would do...
remember that most people out there still think that atheists are some weird, way-out morally corrupt minority...
The difference between all thought is weather we believe in logic and reason or miracles. I believe that logic and reason are the gifts of God but have an open mind
Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.
Anyways im not wasting my time with your strawman demands with character count bullshit.
You want to use the misconduct of rogue groups and individuals like sodomite priests and the crusades (catholicsm is pagan anyways)
In the name of what God was the holocaust and to which religion do the citizens of atheist China practice infant consumption? You think religion is the cause of war? Its a tool often used. A hammer is a vessel deseigned for construction but it can just as easily be a weapon.
"Being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. Zooming on every part of one's world view finds beliefs exactly as wrong as one's entire world view."
Charles Whitman - killed 14 people and wounded 32 at University of Texas at Austin.
After killing his mother he wrote[..]I feel that if there is a heaven she is definitely there now..[..]
No atheist/deist would wrote such a thing. So unless he was a muslim (which is unlikely since he had a christian funeral) he must have been a Christian.
How convenient isn't it? And from what authority do you say that someone is a christian and somenone isn't? Are you the christian god? Isn't your god the ultimate one who is to say who was a christian and who wasn't?
Your arrogance is unbelievable..
Oh, and by the way YOU yourself are no christian either. Because your conduct is inconsistent with the doctrines of Christianity.
Luke 18:22:Go,sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven.Then come,follow me.
The point is you're obviously on an angry "witch hunt" of your own. dont be myopic. The problem isn't religion. It is P-E-O-P-L-E.
Your straw man arguments dont disprove God. They only attempt to slander the character of a God by YOUR moral standards which are by no means absolutely universally binding. If there is no God there is no such thing as evil. If there is no evil then what is your beef?
is YOUR westernized 21st centurty perception of intrinsic morality innately superior to any other?
You are so deluded that its not even ludicrous anymore!
Yahwe of the Bible aproves slavery many times throughout the book. Never once did Jesus condemn it either. So you are essentially saying that it is OK to own slaves? Since god and his commands are the only source of morals?
You are one of the most absurd theists I have encountered in my life.
Atheists believe in the laws of probability.Deist believe in the chaos theory.
Religious people believe in miracles.
However we all seek the same thing that is a culture where we can live in peace through respecting others. There are many freedoms and freedom to believe in what you like is one of them. You have respected your father and by doing so honored his memory. Well done and I for one respect you.
I've to disagree with Shaw. I've never seen a christian who was happier than me. He lived in the "Schopenhauer era" of atheists, where most of them where ex-believers who couldn't live without a God. Humanity surpassed itself, and now non-believers are much more happier than religious nutjobs... as any visit to a high school can confirm.
Please don't take this personally but even if someone believes in a God, and I say a God because there are many different relgions with different ideas, you leave this earth ad are dead and gone.
Believing in God will not keep you from dying, it just keeps you from fearing death. You will die and I will die in the end as well as everyone else on this earth some time or another.
can someone explain the quote "If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a christian" by Mark Twain 1:00 ...... is that just saying being christian is not fun or is there a deeper meaning to it?
Because "christianity" as it is known today is not what Christ tought his people. It is completly tergiversed- you could easily afirm that the Catholic Church is the exact opposite to poor christ teachings.
"Christianity is a misconcept. There has only been one christian, and he died on the cross".
Think about what people say Jesus said, and compare it with what christians do. It's quite the opposite.
Sorry, Einstein was quoted SEVERAL times as saying he was NOT an Atheist. He called himself an agnostic if nothing else. Don't believe me? Check Wikipedia....
"believer in god who revealed himself in the Universe itself"? this is right the universe and everything in it is evidence to support the universe had was made thus has a maker. However there is no prove to support the "maker" had hair or two arms or one leg or anything but there is more than enough evidence throughout the universe specially here on earth that points out that the maker whatever it may be is extremely intelligent extremely powerful and old.
I beleive the focus should be made towards the future generation, they should be able to think about their faith in schools or the internet or something before they get brainwashed at their homes and societies and they will never have the chance to control their own rationality,
isnt there a more contemporary star or someone who might actually want to talk opeanly about without being scared. I can certainly do it in my homecountry but right now im in the us,thanks 4 the reply Yankur, where u at?
it took me two hours to think and read all this, yankur you are a very good debator,
but you are not debating against logic but against faith, i stopped debating about the non existence of god, just to see people not get hurt, People feel like they are being attacked if you talk about their faith, do u beleive we should keep on argueing or find some innovative techniques to spread our ideas just like the religion did, can you think of someway? Or do you think its not important !
Bloenepal, wow it's quite a lot of comments! And thanks for the compliments..
You are speaking my mind here.. I know logic cannot fight blind faith. I find faith extremly harmful, it can and does cause more harm than most ppl are willing to realise. That's why I'm trying to do my (although admittedly rather negligible) share.
From my experience many theist get offended even about the mere fact that I'm an atheist, because being one means that I'm not willing to believe what they hold so dear.
As for your question about more inovative way to spread ideas, I was thiking about it a lot myself! Unfortunately I wasn't able to find the "silver bullet". I doubt it exists at all. When asked many former theist coincidently claim that there actually wasn't one particular moment when they realised they were wrong, but it kind of added up over time from all the books and discussion they have had.
So perhaps me (and yourself too) are also part of this long chain that helps them realise the truth.
You see he didn't like the idea of a creator however he realized according to science and all the work he ever did there was indeed a creator God. So basically what I'm trying to say here is what that proves is that not even one of the "greatest minds" who ever lived can deny the FACT and the simple reality that things were Created.
**first of all nobe for you and for all idiots here Einstein did not believe in a "personal"God therefore he developing the theory of relativity so he realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. Then he added cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. But simply couldn't so instead he became a diest
Nice "consiracy theory" ;-) I'll add it to my collection of weird theories right beside the "9/11 inside job" and the "fake moonlanding".. ;)
But seriously, there are no quotes or evidence to support your theory whatsoever. Einstein was a pantheist - believer in god who revealed himself in the Universe itself .
"believer in god who revealed himself in the Universe itself"? this is right the universe and everything in it is evidence to support the universe had was made thus has a maker. However there is no prove to support the "maker" had hair or two arms or one leg or anything but there is more than enough evidence throughout the universe specially here on earth that points out that the maker whatever it may be is extremely intelligent extremely powerful and old. watch?v=VwATSpuNRWs
i rather hurt someones feelings telling them the truth...than to lie to them, at least then they can work on fixing the problem...it does them no justice to not correct them
Einstein was without a shadow of the doubt an atheist (or pahteist if I want to be precise). And Lincoln was (at least at one time of his life) deist..
However what matters here is not what label you want to use for them, but instead how they felt about superstition, and silly beliefs like those of christianity, islam or any others.
"If something is in me which can be called RELIGION than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world .."
He used word like god, religion as a metaphore.. He was of Jewish race but not religion. He was often criticized by rabbis for his tepid attitude towards religion.
agnostic is not deism deism is a belief in a higher being agnosticism believes that a higher being may or may not exist there is not really evidence of him being a pantheist other than quotes from einstein twisted by rabid atheist to fit their own opinions
1. One can be agnostic theist or agnostic atheist.
Theism/Atheism is about what you believe and Gnosticism/Agnosticism is about what you claim to KNOW!
2. "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." A.Einstein in a letter to Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein 1929.
Rebi1check, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" Einstein is referring to religion in a panthiestic manner. Einstein is at most a panthiest. And like naturalism, panthiesm is more of a philosphy that falls into athiesm than a religion itself. So I would prefer to call him an athiest rather than a panthiest, an agnostic, a Jew, or anything else.
So.... where do "Atheist" Go when they die? Dissapear? Or they go to another dimesion?? I know exactly where those famous atheist are right now, and for sure they know for a long long time after their deaths that there is truly a God and what a pity for them that they were so prideful that they didn't want to acknowledge him.
Atheists go to the same place as theists, plants and animals. It is the same "place", they all have been before they have been born..
Which god? There are literaly millions of gods. You happen to worship one of them if you picked wrong one, you will end up in Tartarus, Naraka, Xilba or some other hell of some other religion.
Following your "logic" it is better to worship no god than to worship a wrong god.
yancur's right, when we die it will state we inhabited before we were born. And if there is a afterlife, what in gods name would you do for all eternity? I mean wow!
Eternity is really long, especially near the end. I think theists don't get that their death here on earth is it, just like a bird or apple tree.
There's just chemistry here, no soul, no magic gods, and we are only here for a very short time. We are a mathematical probability and we are mortal.
"Eternity is really long, especially near the end."
LOL that one's really good :)
Thanks Revtyson.
BTW: "Sagan County" is just name made by you, isn't it? It'd be great if Carl Sagan had a county named by him in US, but I don't think something like that would happen in our lifetime, especially in the US..
And the one with the Bank account is funny as hell too, (Believe it or not, at one point I actually tried just the same thing! And I guess you will not ask me what the outcome was.. ;-) )
It's strange that I never came across his quotations, maybe becaues I was usually more interested in scientists/philosophers. My bad. Thanks for pointing that out to me!
Last month theoretical physicist Michio Kaku used that same quote, takling about the end of our universe(on the Science Channel). He was talking about "The Big Rip" and how it's calculated that the end of Our Universe as we now know it would be in approximately 50 Billion years.
Hemingway is dead wrong. Not professing to be one, but are plenty of smart theists, including Christians. I don't think you could find many people any more genius than a man named Greg Boyd. I'm not very educated so I couldn't produce many more, but I know there are at least Francis Collins, C.S. Lewis, and Tolkien.
Of course there are smart theists. But as you know Hamingway was a writer and they like to use hyperbolae.. :)
But he was to an extent correct. If you look at the statistics collected over about a hundred+ years, the outcome is clear. The more educated (or intelligent) a person is the less likely he/she is to be religious or if religious then to a much lesser extent then the less educated ppl. C.S.Lewis (my favorite aotuhor btw :) ) didn't believe in hell or any of the crap in the Bible...
I'd be very skeptical of C.S. "not believing any of the crap in the Bible" as he is probably the most heavily quoted author by Christian pastors, theologians, apologetics etc. His position on Christianity was that he was one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise.
Yes I know he called himself Christian. The problem is that he for example didn't believe in the "fire and birmstone"-kind of stuff.. He didn't believe in flood or 7-day creation.
As a matter of fact he created his own personal brand of religion. The fact he calls it Christianity is kinda weird but it's none of my bussines anyway. I spoke with several Christains who said he was nuts while other praised him..
Actually replied to the wrong comment with that one though hehe. Meant to direct it at the guy who was actually talking about Twain so as not to look like a wanker.
Ah, but what if the truth about God was so different that even he kept his true nature from us, because he didn't trust individual people. Remember all those tests of faith he gave some in the remote past.
What if he was like this
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Well if the god indeed is as you described, then it's a deist's god. Which by definition is unknown to us and therefore has no bearing on our lives whatsover..
BTW: The link didn't work for me (even without the spaces)
They are? Can you give me the list, and then give me the whole list of them all in a private messege.
Even if I found that is true, I won't change my mind, the greatest scientists of all time were theists and Deists. the top three (Newton, Einstein, Maxwell) were very religious, even Einstein wrote a paper on Science and religion. Two of the three greatest were Christian, and Einstein a Deist was supportive of Theism. I still think Atheists aren't as important.
Among leading scientists defined as members of the National Academy of Sciences, 72.2% expressed disbelief and 93% expressed disbelief or doubt in the existence of a personal god in 1998.
Those are atheists/agnostic atheists.
What matters is which scientist after Darwin were atheists as he was the first to propose a theory where god became utterly unnecessary..
Ch.Darwin, S.Hawking, A.Turing, S.Freud, P.Dirac, P.Higgs, C.Sagan, I.Pavlov and of course Einstein(pahteist /Spinoza's god/).
Newton was religious, Einstein WAS NOT ! Where was that paper, supposedly writen By Einstein on religion, published? Show it to us, put it up here on youtube. That's a flat-out LIE ! And your god is ( supposedly) saying : thou shalt not beare false wittness! Aren't you scared, now that you sinned?
Why do you lump deists in with atheists? Deists believe in God. Deism and atheism are polar opposites. In fact, deism is a form of theism, not a form of atheism.
Then what is right and worng? rape, murder, theft etc is not only permitted, it is required for the Athesit beliefe (to spread genes as far as possible)
..start wars over their nonexistent imaginary friend.
Incorrect, athesitic socioties HAVE killed and made war over their nonexistent imaginary friend beliefs.(atheist jacobins)
.. don't kill or persecute ppl because they don't dis/believe the way they
So you don't rape and kill SOLELY because some Big Guy in the Sky is watching you?
If this is true, then please stay as far away from me and my family as possible. Better yet stay as far away from ANYONE in the world. And remain religious for the rest of your life!
If you think that morality comes from religion than you are extremely ignorant person indeed.
Morality is result of evolution.. Even animals don't kill or rape each other, one might just wonder do Cows have a Holly Book too?
speaking of reality check I think you are in great need of one yourself sh3rv.
Go read about something before making assumptions about it. Its not only annoying for the rest of us to keep educating you people about certain things, sometimes even about basic knowledge like morals, but it also makes you look annoyingly ignorant and sometimes just flat out stupid - states im sure you dont want to be percieved as.
Look at all the date and make up your mind. Save the rest of us from your ignorance.
You are a beautiful example of a person in state of Fractall Wrongess:
The state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.
Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress...
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." Einstien
This quote is apparently fradulent! It was never stated by Einstein himself. It is only according to the testimony of Prince Hubertus of Lowenstein. All other very well documented quetes of Einstein prove otherwise..
The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. A.Einstein in letter February 5, 1921
It seems like many other facts that if atheists dont like they automatically claim it a fraud. Can you please offer proof of this? What is your source stating that the quote is a fraud?
I think you are missing one fundamental rule of how proofs work. It's not me making the claim that Einstein said that and therefore it's not my burden to proove he didn't! It's you making the claim so you should prove that Hubertus of Lowenstein didn't make it up or misinterpreted what Einstein had said.
I claim it's fraud and I also said why I think its fraud. Because ALL other well documented Einsteins quotes say otherwise. Only those with poor second-hand sources claim he believed in god..
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus
What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck,"The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17.
I think your opinion on this matter is greatly tainted by the atheist propaganda regarding Einstein. It is clear from his texts that he was a deist not an atheist or pantheist. And if your comment about his denial of atheism is a fraud then offer proof otherwise its just a desperate attempt to claim a popular figure to your cause.
Au contre! It's theist who so desperately try to take Einstein as their own not atheist.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."
Spinoza's ideas of God are often characterized as being pantheistic.
"Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death."
Check the wikiqouetes of Einstein for more proofs of Einstein being either Pantheist, Deist or Atheist..
The fact that Einstein possibly felt that Jesus might have been a real person, and that he agreed wit his teachings isn't anything uncomon amongst atheists. I know many such ppl, though I'm certainly not one of them.
"all thinking men are atheists" (add women too of course). SAdly, it sums the truth about life that is often ignored, that if you take time to NOT accept anyone else's definition/ explanation and examine/ contemplate (think) for your self, prepared to contradict/ oppose your own point, you'll get the answer. .
Abrhama Licoln and Einstein were both Deists, those two men I ahve large respects for. These two men even though did not believe in Christianity, they were fascinated by Jesus and his words, Eisntein said if he wasn't a deist he would be a quaker, and Lincoln always saw Chritianity the moral foundation of USA.
The rest of the people, I do not argue, I don't care much.
"The more thoroughly I conduct scientific research, the more I believe that science excludes atheism." -Lord Kelvin
Yes that is correct. Though I would argue that Einsten was more of a pantheist than deists, but in essence it doesn't really matter that much..
I don't thing Einstein was "facinated" by Jesus, any more than he was fascinated by Buddha or Krishnu or any other religious figure of some other religion...
Eisntein I would have to argue was more deist than pantheist. He believed in a God of harmony because of the ss theory on the Universe, after the BB theory Eisnteins views changed drastically. He then believed more in a creator than a force of nature as God, he quoted "I am not an Atheist, I don't think I call myself a Pantheist" -Albert Einstein
(G.S. Viereck, Glimpses of the Great, 1930, quoted by D. Brian, Einstein--A Life)
It doesn't really matter though. I stick with Newton
@yancur They could make themselves appear god-like, and if they have no gods...
Get what I'm saying?
SmervinMervin24 4 months ago
@KiprosPAO Hitler's religion (or lack of) is too questionable to say he was a believer or non-believer. Stalin and Pol Pot forced Atheism upon their people to control them, much like religious leaders have done in the past. They can both be used as tools of propaganda, but atheists still have better morals because they don't take them from the book, and they don't behave out of fear of punishment in fire, and they don't expect to get rewarded when they die.
SmervinMervin24 4 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 I mostly agree with you. Though, I cannot imagine how can atheistic belief (or disbelief to be precise) be used to manipulate people?
I think the reason for trying to push atheism was to get rid of the strongest existing opposition - organised religion, which was already manipulating people in the first place.
yancur 4 months ago
@yancur Exactly! And if they're not being manipulated by religion, they're damn sure to be manipulated by a man (through the use of propaganda) that appears god-like.
By the way, great quote choice for these videos.
SmervinMervin24 4 months ago
Right, Jesus (peace be upon him) would not be a Christian, Mr. Twain, because he has always been a man who was a practising Jew from the Israelite tribe of Judah. And has never invited Gentiles to be Jews.
amuslima99 4 months ago
watch?v=o9ktS2U53Qg Write "Logical Evidences for Islam" and watch it...
There is A Creator. There a religion. Islam is the true religion.
shncsr 5 months ago
I feel bad for you that you see no hope at all. Hope you do one day.
HammerLaxLover 6 months ago
Let us not forget Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Attaturk, they were famous atheists too
KiprosPAO 7 months ago
@KiprosPAO Ummm...I think Hitler was a christian because if he was an atheist he wouldn't have any hate for the jews.
adarne1 5 months ago
@KiprosPAO -Hitler was a Roman Catholic,while the others presented themselves as the head of their own churches.Stalinism was a religion unto itself.Thomas Jefferson is also another famous deist.
rockfishcc8 5 months ago
You forgot to add Beethoven himself, he was Deist.
snoopdogg111000 7 months ago
We cannot allow the atheist to rule the planet.Other wise,we will end up like the British.Bowing down before a woman.......No f*()&&*^ng way.
TOLTECAAZTECA 8 months ago
I'm not between either atheists and religious people, I'm above them.. why you ask? because everything in this universe has a creator, so why can\t the universe have a creator?
StayGoldDallybear 8 months ago
@StayGoldDallybear Is the "creator" part of "everything", apparently is. Then he needs to have a creator himself. This however leads to infinite regress..
yancur 8 months ago 4
@StayGoldDallybear
Can it creator have creatr?! What you think?!
kockajebacenainemoze 5 months ago
Very nicely done - wish it was longer!
jexxica21 8 months ago
I see My words will be cut so I will stop with this second post !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
abraham Lincoln had times when he would go off the deep end for he had mental trouble at times. He was a very smart man but at times he would go off for weeks at a time and just about say anything !
Albert was speaking about certain races was told they could not have God in them because of their Race. Blacks could not have God in them.
Ernest thought he was better than anybody else.
Fredrich was a Racist who said God is dead & we should celebrate being dead and dieing dead ! He's LSD trip !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
God very words formed matter
Therefore god could not of been made up of matter if he himself created matter
So if he is not made up of matter he is not real
BaltoMovie 1 year ago
My problem with this video is that you lump Atheists with Deists, when I feel Deists are closer to Religious people since they share a belief in God, whereas Atheists lack a belief in God.
prosandkhans 1 year ago
@prosandkhans
OK, it is one thing (and in fact the only) they have in common.
But.
Blood is red and (some) apples are also red. I would still say that apples have far more in common with pears than they have with blood.
The same goes for Deists and Atheists as opposed to Theists.
yancur 1 year ago 4
@yancur
IMO, believing in God and not believing in God is a bigger difference than believing in certain rituals and practices associated with belief in God and not believing in those rituals and traditions is.
prosandkhans 1 year ago
@prosandkhans
Well, then we apparently differ.
I believe that not killing people in name of imaginary being, not forcing children to a toxic belief, not creating unnecessary tension between nations and groups of people is far more important than whether someone believes that the Universe started off Naturally or Supernaturally.. That difference doesn't matter in the real world. All the above do.
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur
and I completely agree with you.
However I also believe that people committing these actions do not represent their proper religion- and everything you just named could easily be applied to those who do not have a religion either.
prosandkhans 1 year ago
@prosandkhans
Wow, I completely disagree there! In fact most people who don't go and kill other people do so against (thankfuly) the teachings of their Holy Book!
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. " - Bible OT
"Kill all Christians wherever you meet them" Quaran
etc.
I've never heard of an Atheist killing in the name of No-God or Deist in his god.
Religion is a completely unnecessary layer of violance humanity has to suffer.
yancur 1 year ago
@prosandkhans Atheists, agnostics and deists are intellectual allies who pretty much agree on eveything up to 4.5 billion years ago. We should all be classified as non-theists. Deism only has one component of religion. It should not count as one. I am sick to death of theists (especially Muslims, Christians & Catholics) taking credit for the accomplishments of deists.
incomprehensible14 1 year ago 14
@incomprehensible14 delusional freak.
lotr450 10 months ago
@incomprehensible14 Well said. :)
rayalvarado2010 9 months ago
@incomprehensible14 Truer words couldn't have been spoken. Atheists, Deists and Agnostics (As Well as Ignostics and Pandeists) are, in the end, different forms of Irreligion. Another thing I like about these groups is that we follow no particular code, we make our OWN codes! Thus, we have risen above the flock (Theists) and, in a way, became "Ze Übermensch"!
Then again, there are a few Non-Theistic religions too: Buhddism, Jainism and (La-Veyan) Satanism, for example...
GohanLSSJ2 6 months ago
I want to ask one thing ---GOD created world ,us and everything
Then who created GOD
DONT SAY IT ALWAYS EXISTED BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS A BEGINNING
GOD himself has evolved from nothing
If that is true
Why can be same be said about us
that we evolved from non living matter
MrDeepakk89 1 year ago
@MrDeepakk89 oh let me answer that, no one created god, cause god doesn't exist, he is the imaginary friend of the weak and the dumb, look at yourself , making questions knowing that no one cant really answer you, fucking religious people, they are not human but animals and criminals for commiting a felony by beliveing a fairytale, well i respect your..beliefs? LOL well have a nice day
thebloddyzorrow 1 year ago
@MrDeepakk89 God is eternal we are not lol can the pot choose what it will be? no only the potter can design the clay
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@mr88playmaker Nice try but failed. U think ppl are made from mud and a rib.............
lilchris10kid 1 year ago
Evolutionists are irrational and illogical. They reject mind, thought, intelligence and logic.
Creationists believe:
(A) Intelligence arises from an intelligent source.
(B) Logic arises from an intelligent source.
The position of Creationists is logical. It can be logically defended.
Evolutionists believe:
(A) Intelligence arises from a NON-intelligent source.
(B) Logic arises from a NON-intelligent source.
The position of Evolutionists is illogical. It can not be logically defended.
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker Dude stop trying, your logic is flawed. Btw, did you know there is another group that believe in Intelligent Design, except they don't think it was god, they think its created by Aliens....they're silly people for believing that, aren't they?
zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
You're funny.
Electronic897 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker scientists have observed a tendency towards increasing complexity on earth and in the cosmos ever since the big bang. Intelligence and logic, as venerable as they are, are just inflections of this tendency. At worse they are very cheap commodity in the entirety of the cosmos; at best, a memorable parlor trick in the span of cosmic time. These concepts are simply something that molecules do, given 4 BILLION years of evolution.
PapaWilk 1 year ago
Atheists maintain that intelligence arises out of non-intelligence. Atheist maintain that logic arises out of meaningless, random chaos and is continually evolving via meaningless random chaos.
Creationists maintain that intelligence, info & logic arise from a mind.
Proof that God exists.
Scientific facts:
(A) Information arises from a mind.
(B) Language arises from a mind.
(C) DNA = Information + language.
There are only two known languages. They are.
(1) Of human mind origin (2) DNA code.
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
1) Atheism is lack of belief in a Deities nothing more nothing less. So atheists can believe pretty much anything they want even the nonsense you wrote, as long as they lack belief in gods. They usually don't though.
2) Rationalists which is what you probably meant originally don't believe that logic comes from meaningless.And whether intelligence arises from non-intelligence depends solely on your definition of intelligence.
3) DNA=Information+lang. Do you know C.Shannon?
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur (QUOTE): "Atheism is lack of belief in a Deities nothing more nothing less. So atheists can believe pretty much anything they want even the nonsense you wrote, as long as they lack belief in gods." (END QUOTE)
I am a A-Atheist which is one who does not believe in the non-belief of God or gods. I believe there are many gods, and one True God There is proof of gods all around. You yourself have many gods. I have ONE.
Atheists do not reject that intelligence arises from the mind of God.
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
You may well be an A-Atheist, but just until you say that god wants this or that, or that you know ANYTHING about god(s) at all. That moment you stop being pure A-Atheist (one who lacks belief in the lack of belief in gods) and become a Theist.
Sure they reject it by definition, since they disbelieve in gods' existence. But whether intelligence comes from non-intelligence depends on the definition of intelligence used..
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur
You know, a deist can at least defend his position logically. He recognizes the mind of God and who can argue logically against it. Intelligence arises from an intelligent source. An agnostic may lack wisdom or be in denial BUT if his position is to say "Hey, the more I know, the more I know how little I know" he's not counted a complete fool. An atheist though utilizes NO logic because an atheist neither acknowledges the mind of God nor has the common sense to say "Wow, I'm not sure".
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
Defend Deists position? How? Universe is too complex to be uncreated so it needs a Creator? This is what you call logic? But the next obvious argument is. The Creator of universe is far too complex to be uncreated and therefore needs a SuperCreator himself. Infinite regress.
Atheist-Rationalist stops where the evidence does. We all know Universe exist and therefore there we stop. We make no assumptions as deists or theists do, since they know nothing more than we do.
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur (QUOTE): "Defend Deists position? How?" (END QUOTE)
A Deist maintains that intelligence arises from an intelligent source. No one can argue against that. It is perfectly air-tight logical. A Deist maintains that logic arises from an intelligent source. Again, only an illogical idiot would disagree.
Atheist-Rationalist are illogical people who try to "rationalize" away sound scientific facts that Deists have no problem accepting and admitting out loud.
Atheists have no logical defense.
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
So your claim is that: Intelligence can come only from intelligence. Since God is itelligent he, BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION, needs an Itelligence to create him.
QED!
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur (QUOTE)"The Creator of universe is far too complex to be uncreated and therefore needs a SuperCreator himself. Infinite regress." (END QUOTE)
Logic demands The 1st cause Intelligent Agent from whence intelligence arises can not himself be created; otherwise he would not be the 1st cause agent. A creation can not precede its creator. The intelligent 1st cause agent who created time and space must be eternal -from everlasting to everlasting- and not bound by time: because he CREATED time.
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
Logic doesn't demand such thing. This is just your unproven claim. (In fact cosomology and biology scientists know it is false)
You still didn't define Intelligence and yet you are operating with the term as if we both knew what you mean by that!
Since you didn't define it, I'm free to use my own definition of itelligence which says that Universe is intelligent in itself and hence even under your ridiculous unproven assumptions is itself the "1. cause" that needs no "creator".
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur (QUOTE): You still didn't define Intelligence and yet you are operating with the term as if we both knew what you mean by that!" (END QUOTE)
Are you so lazy that you can not look up the word "intelligence" to find out what it means? Are you freakin kidding me?
Look it up. It's a simple, common word. There's nothing magical about my use use of the word "intelligence." Trust me on that. Look it up and find out what the word means.
Sheesh!
Mr88playmaker 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
I was kinda hoping you'd say something asinine and ignoarant as this.
1)Any term from human language MUST be used within the domain it was meant and designated for.Because outside its domain it may be misleading, confusing or outright meaningless.Intelligence is word used in context with humans or animals so it certainly doesn't include God who surpasses anything we can imagine.I gave you chance to use your definition which you in your arrogance refused.
Here comes the Checkmate!
yancur 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
2)Def. of Intelligence is ability to understand,learn,plan or adapt.NONE of which could be ascribed to an All-knowing, All-powerful entity! God cannot learn cos' he knows everything,cant adapt, plan or reason. He creates everything so there is nothing unknown to him to use such abilities!
It's just your slaverish servility that forces you to ascribe all possible superlatives to this entity but in your ingnorance you didnt see that it is in fact an insult for an almighty god!
yancur 1 year ago
@Mr88playmaker
3) With all that said, I've proven that YOUR all-powerful, all-knowing God by our STANDARD definition of Intelligence IS NOT Intelligent!
Therefore according to your tautological argument (which is nothing but a more fancy way of saying that "God is the uncreated creator cos he's God!") , all-knowing God couldn't be the Creator of Universe!
QED!
yancur 1 year ago
@yancur
Also Agnosticism and Theism/Atheism/Deism are NOT mutually exclusive.
I'm Agnostic Atheist, and there are Agnostic Theists as well as Gnostic Theists and Gnostic Atheists.
Gnosticims/Agnosticism is about what you claim to know or not know.
Theims/Atheism is about what you believe or disbelieve in regard to god(s).
yancur 1 year ago
Good video, thanks. But the color of the font white makes it difficult to read because of the black and white background. I would suggest to put the text below with black background.
nilesh7585 1 year ago
I will say one thing here. Watch out where you put Samuel Clemens in the line of christians or not. he could see the money preachers coming and the Pope in his Million dollar robe, and he would shoot cheap shots at them. Would you want your preacher to wear a $6,000,000.00 Hat and a $1,000,000.00 dollar Robe when he preached to you ? Not Me !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
the so famous people in the video were the ones who brought chaos and destruction to our world...and their greed for fame made us part of the collateral damage...
ernansanga 1 year ago
You do know Atheism and Deism are two very different beliefs?
Enkelados101 1 year ago
Im very sorry about that very nasty comment. I was actually wrong. Einstein did say that. I'm Jewish too and I don't want to make us look bad. You're not a douche yancur and I'm real sorry about your father. Please forgive me I was in a reAl bad mood.
Jojomojo221 1 year ago
@Jojomojo221
Doesn't happen often on YT that someone admits he was wrong about anything.
It's nice to see an exception once in a while.
yancur 1 year ago
Albert Einstein wasn't atheist. He was Jewish. He went to synygougue every Saturday. You dirty liar son of a bitch. Don't you dare put words in someones mouth, especially the greatest mind ever to exist because you made him sound like a douche only because you are.
Jojomojo221 1 year ago
@Jojomojo221
For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.
Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind,1954
yancur 1 year ago
im a deist
comicguy12 1 year ago
wonder why this wonderful video ain't going viral... shouldn't atheists embed such videos in their blogs or facebook or orkut or whatever at every opportunity?..........maybe even news-sites would do...
remember that most people out there still think that atheists are some weird, way-out morally corrupt minority...
andy59511 1 year ago
These men are good examples of the path towards hell!
mampuia16 1 year ago
i admire your skepticism and willingness to speak your mind
whydie666 1 year ago
The difference between all thought is weather we believe in logic and reason or miracles. I believe that logic and reason are the gifts of God but have an open mind
on everything else as logic and reason dictates.
petebax1 1 year ago
Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.
i7o999 1 year ago
Name one Christian who performed a school shooting.
Ninjadelusion 1 year ago
I will when you name one Atheist/Deist who:
-killed and tortured millions of women because they were considered witches.
-ordered killings and pogroms on millions of jews
-waged a holy war for non-god/atheism or deist god.
-killed their own children because their god told them to
-said that condoms help spread AIDS and thus killing or inflicting suffering upon millions africans
-uses non-god and non-priesthood as a cover to rape children of unsuspecting parents
-and so on, and so on
yancur 1 year ago
Anyways im not wasting my time with your strawman demands with character count bullshit.
You want to use the misconduct of rogue groups and individuals like sodomite priests and the crusades (catholicsm is pagan anyways)
In the name of what God was the holocaust and to which religion do the citizens of atheist China practice infant consumption? You think religion is the cause of war? Its a tool often used. A hammer is a vessel deseigned for construction but it can just as easily be a weapon.
Ninjadelusion 1 year ago
Ever heard the term "Fractally wrong person"?
It's what you are, a book example of one!
"Being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. Zooming on every part of one's world view finds beliefs exactly as wrong as one's entire world view."
yancur 1 year ago
@Ninjadelusion the catholic church is a good motivation that hitler used
patrickledford420 1 year ago
Charles Whitman - killed 14 people and wounded 32 at University of Texas at Austin.
After killing his mother he wrote[..]I feel that if there is a heaven she is definitely there now..[..]
No atheist/deist would wrote such a thing. So unless he was a muslim (which is unlikely since he had a christian funeral) he must have been a Christian.
So I met your challenge, and now you answer mine.
yancur 1 year ago
No you didn't. He conducted himself inconsistently with the doctrines of Christianity therefore he was no christian.
Ninjadelusion 1 year ago
How convenient isn't it? And from what authority do you say that someone is a christian and somenone isn't? Are you the christian god? Isn't your god the ultimate one who is to say who was a christian and who wasn't?
Your arrogance is unbelievable..
Oh, and by the way YOU yourself are no christian either. Because your conduct is inconsistent with the doctrines of Christianity.
Luke 18:22:Go,sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven.Then come,follow me.
yancur 1 year ago
The point is you're obviously on an angry "witch hunt" of your own. dont be myopic. The problem isn't religion. It is P-E-O-P-L-E.
Your straw man arguments dont disprove God. They only attempt to slander the character of a God by YOUR moral standards which are by no means absolutely universally binding. If there is no God there is no such thing as evil. If there is no evil then what is your beef?
is YOUR westernized 21st centurty perception of intrinsic morality innately superior to any other?
Ninjadelusion 1 year ago
If there is no God there is no Evil?
You are so deluded that its not even ludicrous anymore!
Yahwe of the Bible aproves slavery many times throughout the book. Never once did Jesus condemn it either. So you are essentially saying that it is OK to own slaves? Since god and his commands are the only source of morals?
You are one of the most absurd theists I have encountered in my life.
yancur 1 year ago
Atheists believe in the laws of probability.Deist believe in the chaos theory.
Religious people believe in miracles.
However we all seek the same thing that is a culture where we can live in peace through respecting others. There are many freedoms and freedom to believe in what you like is one of them. You have respected your father and by doing so honored his memory. Well done and I for one respect you.
petebax1 1 year ago
I've to disagree with Shaw. I've never seen a christian who was happier than me. He lived in the "Schopenhauer era" of atheists, where most of them where ex-believers who couldn't live without a God. Humanity surpassed itself, and now non-believers are much more happier than religious nutjobs... as any visit to a high school can confirm.
bobsanders222 2 years ago
Now that you said that, I realize that you are actually right about that.
Many of them are scared of death. Or feel like being watched by the invisible Big Brother all the time.. Not a very happy idea for me..
yancur 2 years ago
@bobsanders222 damn straight man.
squmak 2 years ago
Name one deist who burnt a woman at the stake.
Name one deist who butt fucked a little boy.
name one deist started a war
name one deist who ran a sword thru another deist just kill a non believer .
name one deist god who killed his own son for any reason.
name one deist who owned slaves, ok but that was 150 years ago.
allentazwell 1 year ago
where are these people that deny God? dead and gone? yep, that's right!
well, let me tell you, God IS still very much alive and well and no one can kill Him.
kind of pathetic these comments from these blinded puffed up poor atheists, eh!
sthcrox 2 years ago
Do you deny Vampires and Werewolves?
I simply don't believe the proposition just like disbelieve Vampires, Zombies and other mythological creatures..
But you are right no one can ever kill god, it's really very hard to kill something that doesn't exist..
yancur 2 years ago
hahahah
sthcrox 2 years ago
@yancur
really?
sthcrox 2 years ago
@sthcrox
Please don't take this personally but even if someone believes in a God, and I say a God because there are many different relgions with different ideas, you leave this earth ad are dead and gone.
Believing in God will not keep you from dying, it just keeps you from fearing death. You will die and I will die in the end as well as everyone else on this earth some time or another.
flippingymnast54 2 years ago
can someone explain the quote "If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a christian" by Mark Twain 1:00 ...... is that just saying being christian is not fun or is there a deeper meaning to it?
Luke13PL 2 years ago
Well I can't speak for Twain obviously, but the way I underatand the quote is that modern day Christians do not follow teaching of Jesus at all.
Turn the other cheek, love your neighbours even your enemies, sell everything you possess and give it to the poor etc, etc..
None of these teaching are upheld by the vast majority of present day Christians.
yancur 2 years ago
@yancur
your lack of understanding of Scriptures is clear but there's numerous channels on internet you can learn from, or simply, just dive nto a Bible!
voila!!!!!!!!
sthcrox 2 years ago
Of course, each and every atheist has clear "lack of understanding of the Scriptures"..
Because how otherwise could he say that its just a bunch of bullshit written by primitive bronze-age sheep herders?
The fact is, that the Bible is neither true nor moral and it's not even interesting read.
yancur 2 years ago
@yancur
you're lost! wake uuuuuuupp!
sthcrox 2 years ago
Because "christianity" as it is known today is not what Christ tought his people. It is completly tergiversed- you could easily afirm that the Catholic Church is the exact opposite to poor christ teachings.
"Christianity is a misconcept. There has only been one christian, and he died on the cross".
Think about what people say Jesus said, and compare it with what christians do. It's quite the opposite.
bobsanders222 2 years ago
bravo. hahaha
moisgod1 2 years ago
Shaw's quote is by far my favorite.
anurre5 2 years ago
Sorry, Einstein was quoted SEVERAL times as saying he was NOT an Atheist. He called himself an agnostic if nothing else. Don't believe me? Check Wikipedia....
kellirene65 2 years ago
"believer in god who revealed himself in the Universe itself"? this is right the universe and everything in it is evidence to support the universe had was made thus has a maker. However there is no prove to support the "maker" had hair or two arms or one leg or anything but there is more than enough evidence throughout the universe specially here on earth that points out that the maker whatever it may be is extremely intelligent extremely powerful and old.
watch?v=VwATSpuNRWs
Eisntein = Deist
renducat 2 years ago
you forgot to include the pantheists.
thePantheist 2 years ago
I beleive the focus should be made towards the future generation, they should be able to think about their faith in schools or the internet or something before they get brainwashed at their homes and societies and they will never have the chance to control their own rationality,
isnt there a more contemporary star or someone who might actually want to talk opeanly about without being scared. I can certainly do it in my homecountry but right now im in the us,thanks 4 the reply Yankur, where u at?
bluenepal 2 years ago
it took me two hours to think and read all this, yankur you are a very good debator,
but you are not debating against logic but against faith, i stopped debating about the non existence of god, just to see people not get hurt, People feel like they are being attacked if you talk about their faith, do u beleive we should keep on argueing or find some innovative techniques to spread our ideas just like the religion did, can you think of someway? Or do you think its not important !
An Atheist
bluenepal 2 years ago
Bloenepal, wow it's quite a lot of comments! And thanks for the compliments..
You are speaking my mind here.. I know logic cannot fight blind faith. I find faith extremly harmful, it can and does cause more harm than most ppl are willing to realise. That's why I'm trying to do my (although admittedly rather negligible) share.
From my experience many theist get offended even about the mere fact that I'm an atheist, because being one means that I'm not willing to believe what they hold so dear.
yancur 2 years ago
As for your question about more inovative way to spread ideas, I was thiking about it a lot myself! Unfortunately I wasn't able to find the "silver bullet". I doubt it exists at all. When asked many former theist coincidently claim that there actually wasn't one particular moment when they realised they were wrong, but it kind of added up over time from all the books and discussion they have had.
So perhaps me (and yourself too) are also part of this long chain that helps them realise the truth.
yancur 2 years ago
deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God.
You see he didn't like the idea of a creator however he realized according to science and all the work he ever did there was indeed a creator God. So basically what I'm trying to say here is what that proves is that not even one of the "greatest minds" who ever lived can deny the FACT and the simple reality that things were Created.
renducat 2 years ago
**first of all nobe for you and for all idiots here Einstein did not believe in a "personal"God therefore he developing the theory of relativity so he realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. Then he added cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. But simply couldn't so instead he became a diest
renducat 2 years ago
Nice "consiracy theory" ;-) I'll add it to my collection of weird theories right beside the "9/11 inside job" and the "fake moonlanding".. ;)
But seriously, there are no quotes or evidence to support your theory whatsoever. Einstein was a pantheist - believer in god who revealed himself in the Universe itself .
yancur 2 years ago
"believer in god who revealed himself in the Universe itself"? this is right the universe and everything in it is evidence to support the universe had was made thus has a maker. However there is no prove to support the "maker" had hair or two arms or one leg or anything but there is more than enough evidence throughout the universe specially here on earth that points out that the maker whatever it may be is extremely intelligent extremely powerful and old. watch?v=VwATSpuNRWs
Einstein = deist
renducat 2 years ago
"the truth is a bitter medicine"
i rather hurt someones feelings telling them the truth...than to lie to them, at least then they can work on fixing the problem...it does them no justice to not correct them
MadMAn12gauge 2 years ago
You've got to be kidding me.
Lincoln wasn't an atheist or a deist.
The same goes for Einstein.
ivlfounder 2 years ago
No I'm not kidding.
Einstein was without a shadow of the doubt an atheist (or pahteist if I want to be precise). And Lincoln was (at least at one time of his life) deist..
However what matters here is not what label you want to use for them, but instead how they felt about superstition, and silly beliefs like those of christianity, islam or any others.
yancur 2 years ago
You might want to watch my video.
ivlfounder 2 years ago
"Einstein was without a shadow of the doubt an atheist"
You really need to see my video.
ivlfounder 2 years ago
I did and it's for the most part outright lies and deliberate misquotations.
yancur 2 years ago
So which is the Einstein quote?
ivlfounder 2 years ago
Which of those was the Einstein quote?
ivlfounder 2 years ago
And which of those applies to the Einstein quote?
ivlfounder 2 years ago
It seems conflict has forced its way even into the realm of the nonexistent. What further can one say?
omocorp 2 years ago
albert einstein was not a atheist he was jewish quote from einstein "science without religion is lame religion without science is blind"
Rebi1chek 2 years ago
Did you actually read the quote by Einstein?
"If something is in me which can be called RELIGION than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world .."
He used word like god, religion as a metaphore.. He was of Jewish race but not religion. He was often criticized by rabbis for his tepid attitude towards religion.
yancur 2 years ago
even if he was not jewish he was not an atheist if not jewish then he was agnostic did you even read my comment?
Rebi1chek 2 years ago
Did you actually read the title of this video? It's called famoust Atheists and DEISTS.
Although Einstein was more likely a Pantheist which is nothing but a sexed up ateism..
yancur 2 years ago
agnostic is not deism deism is a belief in a higher being agnosticism believes that a higher being may or may not exist there is not really evidence of him being a pantheist other than quotes from einstein twisted by rabid atheist to fit their own opinions
Rebi1chek 2 years ago
You are just showing your ignorance here.
1. One can be agnostic theist or agnostic atheist.
Theism/Atheism is about what you believe and Gnosticism/Agnosticism is about what you claim to KNOW!
2. "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." A.Einstein in a letter to Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein 1929.
Spinoza's god == Pantheist god.
Grab a book kid and learn somethign first.
yancur 2 years ago
how about you grab a book that doesnt only present one side of the argument and then you ignore the other
Rebi1chek 2 years ago
Rebi1check, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" Einstein is referring to religion in a panthiestic manner. Einstein is at most a panthiest. And like naturalism, panthiesm is more of a philosphy that falls into athiesm than a religion itself. So I would prefer to call him an athiest rather than a panthiest, an agnostic, a Jew, or anything else.
HANK0000 2 years ago 12
So.... where do "Atheist" Go when they die? Dissapear? Or they go to another dimesion?? I know exactly where those famous atheist are right now, and for sure they know for a long long time after their deaths that there is truly a God and what a pity for them that they were so prideful that they didn't want to acknowledge him.
bellereve1 2 years ago
Atheists go to the same place as theists, plants and animals. It is the same "place", they all have been before they have been born..
Which god? There are literaly millions of gods. You happen to worship one of them if you picked wrong one, you will end up in Tartarus, Naraka, Xilba or some other hell of some other religion.
Following your "logic" it is better to worship no god than to worship a wrong god.
yancur 2 years ago
we go in the ground
ThatTattooChick 2 years ago
bellereve1: "I know exactly where those famous atheist are right now...."
Then could you give me some directions? I wouldn't mind spending time with Twain, Shaw, and Hemingway.
TheMhayc 2 years ago 2
yancur's right, when we die it will state we inhabited before we were born. And if there is a afterlife, what in gods name would you do for all eternity? I mean wow!
Eternity is really long, especially near the end. I think theists don't get that their death here on earth is it, just like a bird or apple tree.
There's just chemistry here, no soul, no magic gods, and we are only here for a very short time. We are a mathematical probability and we are mortal.
Don't fear the reaper :)
revtyson 2 years ago 8
"Eternity is really long, especially near the end."
LOL that one's really good :)
Thanks Revtyson.
BTW: "Sagan County" is just name made by you, isn't it? It'd be great if Carl Sagan had a county named by him in US, but I don't think something like that would happen in our lifetime, especially in the US..
yancur 2 years ago
"Sagan County" I wish! ..maybe one day :)
and that wasn't my quote, that was a woody allen quote. You should read some of his quotes, deep and funny!
Like: "I'm not afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens."
~Woody Allen
revtyson 2 years ago
Hilarious! :-D
And the one with the Bank account is funny as hell too, (Believe it or not, at one point I actually tried just the same thing! And I guess you will not ask me what the outcome was.. ;-) )
It's strange that I never came across his quotations, maybe becaues I was usually more interested in scientists/philosophers. My bad. Thanks for pointing that out to me!
yancur 2 years ago
Last month theoretical physicist Michio Kaku used that same quote, takling about the end of our universe(on the Science Channel). He was talking about "The Big Rip" and how it's calculated that the end of Our Universe as we now know it would be in approximately 50 Billion years.
revtyson 2 years ago
love the Mark Twain qoute..exactly right!
csa18601865 2 years ago
i love this one "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." also "All thinking men are atheists." so true
sarkerm2 2 years ago
Hemingway is dead wrong. Not professing to be one, but are plenty of smart theists, including Christians. I don't think you could find many people any more genius than a man named Greg Boyd. I'm not very educated so I couldn't produce many more, but I know there are at least Francis Collins, C.S. Lewis, and Tolkien.
coolandcalculated 2 years ago
Of course there are smart theists. But as you know Hamingway was a writer and they like to use hyperbolae.. :)
But he was to an extent correct. If you look at the statistics collected over about a hundred+ years, the outcome is clear. The more educated (or intelligent) a person is the less likely he/she is to be religious or if religious then to a much lesser extent then the less educated ppl. C.S.Lewis (my favorite aotuhor btw :) ) didn't believe in hell or any of the crap in the Bible...
yancur 2 years ago
I'd be very skeptical of C.S. "not believing any of the crap in the Bible" as he is probably the most heavily quoted author by Christian pastors, theologians, apologetics etc. His position on Christianity was that he was one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise.
coolandcalculated 2 years ago
Yes I know he called himself Christian. The problem is that he for example didn't believe in the "fire and birmstone"-kind of stuff.. He didn't believe in flood or 7-day creation.
As a matter of fact he created his own personal brand of religion. The fact he calls it Christianity is kinda weird but it's none of my bussines anyway. I spoke with several Christains who said he was nuts while other praised him..
yancur 2 years ago
Another good Twain quote is, "Before I was born, I was dead for billions of years and it never bothered me in the slightest."
Or something close anyway. Full disclosure: I'm too lazy to look it up.
spiderzer0 2 years ago
Yeah that one is very good and says it all about the "afterlife"..
yancur 2 years ago
Actually replied to the wrong comment with that one though hehe. Meant to direct it at the guy who was actually talking about Twain so as not to look like a wanker.
Them's the breaks I guess.
spiderzer0 2 years ago
Ah, but what if the truth about God was so different that even he kept his true nature from us, because he didn't trust individual people. Remember all those tests of faith he gave some in the remote past.
What if he was like this
w w w . g e o c i t i e s . c o m / d r w h o r l / M A Y B E s i n g l e 1 . h t m l
sifiwriter 2 years ago
Well if the god indeed is as you described, then it's a deist's god. Which by definition is unknown to us and therefore has no bearing on our lives whatsover..
BTW: The link didn't work for me (even without the spaces)
yancur 2 years ago
Just mention the Deists, Atheists don't really matter to anyone.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Why not? Most of the present day scientists (that is Nobel prize level scientists) are in fact atheists.
Not that there was any substantial difference between atheist and deist...
yancur 2 years ago
They are? Can you give me the list, and then give me the whole list of them all in a private messege.
Even if I found that is true, I won't change my mind, the greatest scientists of all time were theists and Deists. the top three (Newton, Einstein, Maxwell) were very religious, even Einstein wrote a paper on Science and religion. Two of the three greatest were Christian, and Einstein a Deist was supportive of Theism. I still think Atheists aren't as important.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Among leading scientists defined as members of the National Academy of Sciences, 72.2% expressed disbelief and 93% expressed disbelief or doubt in the existence of a personal god in 1998.
Those are atheists/agnostic atheists.
What matters is which scientist after Darwin were atheists as he was the first to propose a theory where god became utterly unnecessary..
Ch.Darwin, S.Hawking, A.Turing, S.Freud, P.Dirac, P.Higgs, C.Sagan, I.Pavlov and of course Einstein(pahteist /Spinoza's god/).
yancur 2 years ago
Newton was religious, Einstein WAS NOT ! Where was that paper, supposedly writen By Einstein on religion, published? Show it to us, put it up here on youtube. That's a flat-out LIE ! And your god is ( supposedly) saying : thou shalt not beare false wittness! Aren't you scared, now that you sinned?
hasanabrkica3 2 years ago
Why do you lump deists in with atheists? Deists believe in God. Deism and atheism are polar opposites. In fact, deism is a form of theism, not a form of atheism.
gmbrannan 2 years ago
Why? Because there is no real difference between them.
Deist and Atheist don't believe in soul.
D. and A. don't believe in god who cares about the world.
D. and A. don't pray.
D. and A. don't take their morals from some magical book of fairytales.
D. and A. don't start wars over their nonexistent imaginary friend.
D. and A. don't kill or persecute ppl because they don't dis/believe the way they do.
The list goes on and on..
D. and A. disagree ONLY on 1 thing. The way the universe started.
yancur 2 years ago
... some magical book of fairytales.
Then what is right and worng? rape, murder, theft etc is not only permitted, it is required for the Athesit beliefe (to spread genes as far as possible)
..start wars over their nonexistent imaginary friend.
Incorrect, athesitic socioties HAVE killed and made war over their nonexistent imaginary friend beliefs.(atheist jacobins)
.. don't kill or persecute ppl because they don't dis/believe the way they
see above.
You really need a reality check.
sh3rv 2 years ago
So you don't rape and kill SOLELY because some Big Guy in the Sky is watching you?
If this is true, then please stay as far away from me and my family as possible. Better yet stay as far away from ANYONE in the world. And remain religious for the rest of your life!
If you think that morality comes from religion than you are extremely ignorant person indeed.
Morality is result of evolution.. Even animals don't kill or rape each other, one might just wonder do Cows have a Holly Book too?
yancur 2 years ago
speaking of reality check I think you are in great need of one yourself sh3rv.
Go read about something before making assumptions about it. Its not only annoying for the rest of us to keep educating you people about certain things, sometimes even about basic knowledge like morals, but it also makes you look annoyingly ignorant and sometimes just flat out stupid - states im sure you dont want to be percieved as.
Look at all the date and make up your mind. Save the rest of us from your ignorance.
Devilsnightforlife 2 years ago
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sh3rv 2 years ago
You are a beautiful example of a person in state of Fractall Wrongess:
The state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.
Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress...
Therefore this is my last reply to you.
yancur 2 years ago
lmfao. i love how you made him remove his comment. lol
btw. nice video.
pattymayonaiselol 2 years ago
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." Einstien
sh3rv 2 years ago
This quote is apparently fradulent! It was never stated by Einstein himself. It is only according to the testimony of Prince Hubertus of Lowenstein. All other very well documented quetes of Einstein prove otherwise..
The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. A.Einstein in letter February 5, 1921
yancur 2 years ago
It seems like many other facts that if atheists dont like they automatically claim it a fraud. Can you please offer proof of this? What is your source stating that the quote is a fraud?
sh3rv 2 years ago
I think you are missing one fundamental rule of how proofs work. It's not me making the claim that Einstein said that and therefore it's not my burden to proove he didn't! It's you making the claim so you should prove that Hubertus of Lowenstein didn't make it up or misinterpreted what Einstein had said.
I claim it's fraud and I also said why I think its fraud. Because ALL other well documented Einsteins quotes say otherwise. Only those with poor second-hand sources claim he believed in god..
yancur 2 years ago
what about this one ?
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus
sh3rv 2 years ago
And the Source of this quote is?
yancur 2 years ago
What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck,"The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 26, 1929, p. 17.
I think your opinion on this matter is greatly tainted by the atheist propaganda regarding Einstein. It is clear from his texts that he was a deist not an atheist or pantheist. And if your comment about his denial of atheism is a fraud then offer proof otherwise its just a desperate attempt to claim a popular figure to your cause.
sh3rv 2 years ago
Au contre! It's theist who so desperately try to take Einstein as their own not atheist.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Letter to an atheist (1954) A.Einstein
yancur 2 years ago
"I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."
Spinoza's ideas of God are often characterized as being pantheistic.
"Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death."
Check the wikiqouetes of Einstein for more proofs of Einstein being either Pantheist, Deist or Atheist..
yancur 2 years ago
Do you actually think Theseus was a realy person?
The fact that Einstein possibly felt that Jesus might have been a real person, and that he agreed wit his teachings isn't anything uncomon amongst atheists. I know many such ppl, though I'm certainly not one of them.
yancur 2 years ago
"all thinking men are atheists" (add women too of course). SAdly, it sums the truth about life that is often ignored, that if you take time to NOT accept anyone else's definition/ explanation and examine/ contemplate (think) for your self, prepared to contradict/ oppose your own point, you'll get the answer. .
acquiesce022 2 years ago
Abrhama Licoln and Einstein were both Deists, those two men I ahve large respects for. These two men even though did not believe in Christianity, they were fascinated by Jesus and his words, Eisntein said if he wasn't a deist he would be a quaker, and Lincoln always saw Chritianity the moral foundation of USA.
The rest of the people, I do not argue, I don't care much.
"The more thoroughly I conduct scientific research, the more I believe that science excludes atheism." -Lord Kelvin
ogirv101 3 years ago
Yes that is correct. Though I would argue that Einsten was more of a pantheist than deists, but in essence it doesn't really matter that much..
I don't thing Einstein was "facinated" by Jesus, any more than he was fascinated by Buddha or Krishnu or any other religious figure of some other religion...
yancur 3 years ago
Eisntein I would have to argue was more deist than pantheist. He believed in a God of harmony because of the ss theory on the Universe, after the BB theory Eisnteins views changed drastically. He then believed more in a creator than a force of nature as God, he quoted "I am not an Atheist, I don't think I call myself a Pantheist" -Albert Einstein
(G.S. Viereck, Glimpses of the Great, 1930, quoted by D. Brian, Einstein--A Life)
It doesn't really matter though. I stick with Newton
ogirv101 3 years ago
"I believe in Spinoza's god" [Albert Einstein]
Spinoza was a pantheistic monist. Einstein saw the term god as metaphor for the sum of all natural laws.
joshguitarTube 2 years ago 2