What if Obama really showed his birth certificate instead of the FORGERY he had the audacity to produce on April 27th- Obama is a slick smooth talking politician who is an exellent speaker and likable but has covered his past history- If you GOOGLE "LARRY SINCLAIR" he talks about Obama's past history- I believe LARRY because I know Obama has deliberately hidden every part of his past at great expense-
You're clueless to evidence and all the minds he's messin' with, His charm and smile hasn't got my ass up out this debt for shit, Frontin' like he's truly Jesus, And all you fools believe it The change he's making isn't good, that's just how you conceived it
WAS OBAMA BORN IN KENYA DOT COM FOR THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE PRESS CORE DOT CA SEARCH HAARP HT TP WELL AWARE1 DOT COM WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SPRAYING AGENDA 21 CODEX ALIMENTARIUS ENDGAME TERRORSTORM CO2 CONFERENCE Japan Tsunami Fukushima Nuclear Disaster 2/2- Leuren Moret - PDX 9/11 Truth THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SEEN! RON PAUL 2012!!!!!
I'm tired of seeing children get groped and porno-scanned at airports.End the TSA. I don't want armed bullies telling me whether or not peaceful citizens can smoke marijuana. End prohibition. I don't want armed men telling women (and men) what they can and can't do with their personal sex lives when they're not hurting anyone. Legalize prostitution. Let's get rid of the PATRIOT Act and take our civil liberties back! Ron Paul 2012!!
OBAMA SUPPORTERS = BRAINDEAD TROLLS! WAKE UP IDIOTS OBAMA IS DESTROYING AMERICA WITH MASSIVE SPENDING AND TAX HIKES! NOW REMEMBER OBAMA PROMISED THE UNEMPLOYMENT WOULD NOT GO UP IF THE STIMULUS PACKAGES WERE PASSED. STILL RISING ANOTHER FAILED OBAMA PLAN! OBAMA IS A JOKE WITH NO EXPERIENCE! THIS IDIOT WAS A LAWYER FOR THE CORRUPT ACORN ORG. AND OBAMA GAVE THEM SOME OF THE STIMULUS MONEY! ALSO GAVE THE COMPANY THAT CAUSED THE HOUSING CRISIS MONEY AS WELL - FANNIE MAE FREDDIE MAC! WAKE UP!
I for one am disappointed in Mr. Obama and the things he has done agaInst our constitution. I for one am going independent like my forefathers who pioneered our country.
Yes, let's change the idiots that are running this country. Change and hope ? change is what I have left in my pocket after obama and the dems got elected. Hope doesn't pay the bills.
All of the canadians, australians, and even those from Europe that I correspond with appreciate the freedom that universal heatlhcare gives them because unlike Americans they are not tied to a job they hate just for insurance and many of them have experience with both American healthcare as they live part-time here in American and they prefer the care they receive under universal healthcare.
I will be voting Democrat... but, will still enjoy the spectacle even if Teabaggers win 2010 seats... Cuz even if they get up there, they will actually have to do something instead simply standing in opposition and criticizing. Since the Republican special interest big money ran away with the Tea Party...tea baggers will actually be bought & paid for even before they get to office. Plus, a tea bagger win in 2010 makes for an easy Obama win in 2012... a win win situation...
@GalwayRose1 Lol Im not stupid. Republicans are going to destroy America and ur going to regret voting a tea bagger. Atleast obamas trying. Do u not see it in his white hair. All repubs r good at is oposition. That and going against everything the democrats support. And how the hell did Obama fool us. He's basically trying to do everything he promised. Really ud rather have a teenage mom and facist gray haired grandpas who belong in a senior home ruling our country. America really is behind.
@Rockntheclub I agree with you, Obama has worked hard to follow thru and he and the dems have done an amazing job when you look at and compare data analysis on recessions, etc. etc the people that have been fooled are not democrats, republican leaders only represent top income and we need leaders like the democrats that represent ALL income levels.
@bnjones28 Lol I hope ur not one of those people that thinks he's an illegal Muslim immigrant from Kenya. Sure maybe he's purposefully not dyig his hair. But ur not going to tell me that his new wrinkles come from plastic surgery
ATheistic DEVIL WORSHIPPING no religion having GAY fuckers are always FOOLING us.....This Country does not belong to YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA is making sure YOU crazy fuckers don't play anymore GAMES LYING No religion having Piece of SHit!!!
Looks like people are still buying the bull. For pete's sake go back to his campaign speeches. Address to the nation Well any of his speeches will do. This guys lies and lies and lies. Give the world a break!!
GOD DAMN ... that shit made me wana vote ... although i'm not an american !!! lool
if that was Bush : Well folks ... U gotta do what u gotta do .. ! Vote for me .. "Mr.President this is not the presidential elections" ... well then vote for the other guy ! OMG George get down and shut the FUCK UP !
he's a nigger coon who eats watermelons while drinking grape soda after eating fried chicken that he paid for by picking cotton while smoking crack after raping someone while eating a banana. Big lip, flat nose, nappy headed, dead beat, don't pay child support, living off welfare, coon Muslim from Kenya, NIGGER!!!!!!!
So are You No religion having Satan worshipping Gay Fucker that have No Moral Code are all Jackasses!!!
Whites Never had or will ever have a TRUE RELIGION and Catholics are a made up Religion like Satanism made up by YOU Confuse Atheistic Ignorant Racist fuckers!!!
@pabankhead1 just a little FYI, the dems symbol is a jackass, the rep symbol is an elephant, try education it works every time....swearing just shows ignorance...by the way who said I was white, black, or green?
Well I guess Im not good with LABELS you asshole like you ATHEISTIC ignorant ill-informed ALBINOS are...... as I said before is all of you No moralistic having no moral code having fuckers are all JACKASSES!!!
Besides Catholicism is not a REAL RELIGION just a fake to have somewhere for the CHILDMOLESTERS can play with the childern and they were JEALOUS of the Christians who have a TRUE Religion now you TRY EDUCATION you asshole!!!
The sooner Obama, Michele, and all their dual-citizen Zionist staff and czars are gone, the better! May God hurry them along, and may they take McCain with them. And PLEASE also take with you Pelosi, Reid, Barney, Feinstein, Boxer, Snowe, Collins, and all the other long-timers. We need ONLY new blood in Congress.
Listen up ObamaLoons, ever heard of the Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) program? Back in November 2008 and last week, Teresa Ghilarducci testified to Congress that 401(k)s and IRAs should be confiscated and converted into universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration. It’s good to see Obama is going to spread all that liberal wealth as well!
Barry Soetoro- A.K.A. Barack Obama birth certificate rally this Saturday Oct. 23rd Wash. D.C. Bring your birth certificate. Michelle Soetoro said- "When we took our trip to Africa & visited HIS HOME COUNTRY KENYA..." Obama Crimes. com. He has sealed all his records. Why?
He obviously doesnt know what the hell hes doing why doesnt he listen to anyone elses advice?? Especially the people? We needed a positive change not a bigger cluster frick!!!! Take some advice from Rush limbaugh or Glen Beck or Hannity be open minded of yourself you can do nothing.
@Seasonchange1 Repuli-Cons are always touting the constitution but don't abide by it. They don't support First Amendment Rights because they are always trying to censor other peoples speach on this fourm by flagging them as spam.
@TheHonda550 "Blue Gold" documentary about water. History favors elites, they have for the most part dominated. But hope is possible, for example 350org or another group that is very active and having success is collapsenetcom they are showing people how to live outside the destructive system.
@TheHonda550 I have several friends from Canada that email back and forth with me and they all like the Canadian healthcare system because it gives them more freedom and unlike Americans they are not tied to a job they hate just for health ins. they have said it makes it much easier for entrepreneurs also, and therefore actually boosts private industry growth..
Ps I live in a country that HAS HEALTH CARE and we are fine. None feel burdened but all feel a tremendous privilege and sense of community to care for one another.
@TheHonda550 >> I too, have met a few Canadians who are bewildered & even slightly amused by some American's view of socialized medicine. As an American I am in awe of the tremendous amount of misinformation used as fear tactics against health care reform & even more unbelievable are those people who eagerly want to believe such information without even trying to ck it out. There is such mistrust of the government in general... this is the true crisis, Gov't has lost the trust of its people.
America needs to fight for justice because the world needs a model of civil justice that doesn't exist anywhere else on this planet. I pray because the US constitution just might be the document that will save this planet from self-annihilation. We need Americans to fight for the freedom of the their Constitution the way that It was intended. Not by second thought and bigotry. We need you America in this world. We need you and love you though we express anger and frustration.
@ChowieBear regarding your last comment, Yes it would and I do like to meet up with political minded friends over drinks and trade opinions over the weeks events. Your right they are intolerant of others, gays, minorities, other religions, basically people who are diffrent. All the diffrent research about them shows this, from childhood to adults. They would make better drones then leaders because that can't cope with change easily.
@TheHonda550 That may be why elites of the world are banning together to tear America down. In the 90's threatened parties joined forces to gaily the production of the electric car. You can learn how in the documentary "who killed the electric car". I also reccomend Jeff Fowe's book "the global class war"
@SteelMartini Oh, I just saw "who killed the electric car". The truth Freaked me out. I just read about the water wars ....I am on the case! Do you think its too late or is there hope?
@SteelMartini Can we really fight the true war against these forces? Is it really too much to want to drink clean water from the tap that flows from a chemical free spring and eat food grown straight from the soil and from animals not treated like bar coded clones? Is it really possible that we as humans can expect dignity to live and die without making a profit for someone?
@TheHonda550 Sound like you may be interested in "Coal Country" and "Food Inc." if you have not seen them already. I hear "Insider Trading" is a good documentary and a new one about who is behind the large secret donations to American midterm elections.
Nigeria pays NO TAXES - if you think that a democratic healthy nation can live without taxes go to AFRICA or the CARIBBEAN. NO TAXES and chaos!!!! COMMUNIST CHINA COLLECTS NO TAXES. Go live like the Chinese struggling to feed themselves. I don't want to live in that world.
@barsense Do you remember when the Cons lied about the new health care bill and said you would be tossed in jail if you did not have health insurance? Some high ranking elected officials were even making that claim.
@SteelMartini Oh and another really good one is the I think it was something 1500 new IRS agents. LOL. Heatlhcare will be handled the same as DOT no new IRS agents needed for that and won't be for this either.
@SteelMartini I still can't figure out why so many people would rather burden employers with healthcare and pay such high medical and ins. costs which are hiked up to cover the cost of poor having to use emergency room which is soooo expensive when nationalized heatlhcare would be so much cheaper. And the socialist argument is silly because Canada is rated as more capitalistic than America and they have nationalized healthcare.
@barsense Most of the Fortune 500 companies are in Europe and socialized medicine must be working out quit well if the are in the top 500. Our companies have to shoulder the burden of employee health care. I think it's because of the elites in this country want a tiered system, were thoes at the bottom are exposed to the highest risk or attrition rates.
@SteelMartini That is certainly true, the smaller the business the higher the cost is. That is one of the issue in the heatlhcare reform that will be a huge help to smaller businesses. Forming an exchange where we can purchase insurance for our employees at closer to the cheaper rates that large corps get. Things like this if the republicans represented small business like they try to pretend they do should have been done when they were in charge. To them small bus is 18 mill or above tho
@barsense The problem is the country is steered by elites, like the Koch brothers and secret backers of the Chamber of Commerce who are trying to buy the elections. These elites think they are the guardians of civilization so they stack the deck in thier favor and suppress everyone beneath them. They realy are parasites feeding off the body of thier host, if we could throw them off, we could make real progress in the world.
@SteelMartini I am impressed with your knowledge of how politics work and with your knowledge about economics, and I find myself agreeing with more of what you post than I do with many even other democrats. We democrats are a diverse lot not like the republicans who vote as one person so it is not often I come across someone who I agree with as much as I do with you.
@barsense I took a little time and looked last night and I couldn't find anything on employees paying a tax for not having health coverage. There is a excise tax for high cost employer coverage, but it's not on the employee.
@SteelMartini Thanks steel for taking the time to look it up, the right push so much false info on the HC bill you would think more people would see they are just crying wolf. A good parable, Mr. farmer wants to build a fence to keep the wolves away from his sheep and the wolves see what he is doing and it will make it harder for them to feed off of the sheep so the wolves set out to convince the sheep the fence will only make things worse and get the sheep to tell Mr farmer no fence
@barsense Thats a good story, there is a German one about a Black Fox who is killing and eating other animals, he blames the killing on the leader and protector of the forest. Have you read Animal Farm?
@SteelMartini Never have read it. Our right wing spammer is posting on the newest video under mrAmericanstand or something like that. A regular Saudi channel talking point person , falls for everything the commentators say. Still does not know or does not care that these commentators are not required to check facts and don't before airing & that they just play to prejudices and drama much like comedians do.
@barsense I wonder if he's a paid spanner, it wouldn't suprise me if the money bag republicans hire people to defend them on discussion sites. They used to get volunteers from Free Republic to call up radio programs and C-Span, they would contact them and provide the talking point and tell them wich program to call.
@SteelMartini I would not be surprised if some are paid , maybe that is why they are always thinking that democrats like us who are very active are paid. LOL
again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE." Right and that was when we were talking about taxing the EMPLOYEE LIKE YOU LIED AND CLAIMED THEY WERE NOT ABOUT TAXING INSURANCE COMPANIES.
again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE."
@ITakeAStand ADMIT IT you said nothing about taxing INSURANCE COMPANIES. You claimed the tax was a tax on employees and you did not even qualify cadilac plans I was the first that mentioned that. You and I were both wrong. PERIOD. SO ADMIT IT YOU WERE WRONG LIKE YOU SAID YOU WOULD. I have the guts to admit that I was wrong on part of it so you have the guts to admit where you were wrong.
@ITakeAStand No tax on EMPLOYEE. TAX IS ON INSURANCE CO.
Insurance companies now are limited on how much profit they can make they have to refund to the consumer if they make over 20% so your claim that your argument is valid because the cost would passed on to the employee is not valid.
@dnahulvey And I have studied history, and I don't agree with overdoing socialism but American became the strongest country in the world with a MIXED economy, pre-dominantly capitalistic with some socialism. Obama is pushing capitalism the same as he is improvements in the socialist part of our economy. That is why he has given numerous tax cuts to small business and funded so many private industry businesses in the green energy field. Currently pushing for more infrastructure funding.
@dnahulvey Just take a look at socialist countries or countries that adopt social policies today, many of them are beating us in indexs such as education, health , happines, infastructure, city standing, public service. It's as if they are advancing and we are going through a regression.
again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE."
@ITakeAStand again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE." yes but we were talking about taxing the EMPLOYEE, NOT THE PROVIDER THE INSURANCE CO.
@barsense - You might want to look up Cadillac tax... You insisted it wasn't in the bill... it is your a bold face LIAR.. it is ok. I dont mind at all that you aren't leaving it is way to much fun proving you a LIAR AT EVERY TURN
@ITakeAStand Yes they did discuss taxing employees and threw that out. I did not know they had changed it to taxing insurance companies instead, I did thing they threw it out all together. . The whole argument was about taxing employees not about taxing insurance companies. You were wrong about taxing employees and I was wrong about Congress dropping the cadilac plan tax completely, they just changed it from taxing employee to taxing the provider.
@barsense - AS USUAL... you were robbed, you were confused, someone tricked you... we were discussing cadillac taxes the entire time.. regardless who pays them they get passed along to the employee HENCE the reason the unions rightfully freaked out over the tax. Doesn't matter as usual your changing your story and youve proven yourself a liar... you coulnd't even find 4980I in the bill.
@ITakeAStand BTW you did not even qualify with cadilac plans you made it out that ALL EMPLOYEES would be taxed on heatlhcare by 2018 you said. The date was wrong and employees are not being taxes on healthcare insurance co. are being taxed.
That is two very different things, insurance companies are also limited on how much profit they can make off of a consumer now so I am not so sure that they CAN pass the cost off to employees even if the employer does own ins. and is the provider.
@barsense - actually you are off again that was another poster saying that all employees would be posting... and I mentioned that they had the dates wrong and it was the cadilliac plan...
@ITakeAStand OMG, you are absolutely the worst Tea Party spammer and most pathological even much worse than what I thought from the posts I have seen to date. I knew you would not leave even if though I proved you were wrong. I knew you would never admit to any part of being wrong on anything and would just make up more BS to cover the other BS.
The excise tax works in a roundabout way. Under the Senate Finance proposal, insurance companies would have to pay a 40 percent excise tax on health insurance policies that exceed $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for families.
@ITakeAStand COME ON MAN IT IS RIGHT UP ABOVE READ YOUR OWN LOUSY POSTS. TAX ON EMPLOYEE YOU SAID, and there is NO TAX ON EMPLOYEES it is on INSURANCE CO.
First it is 49801 then it is 4980( 1) then it is back to 49801 then it is 49601 Can't make up your mind. LOL
TAX ON EMPLOYEES WAS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT NOT A TAX ON INSURANCE COMPANIES.
@barsense - Incredible... I knew you woulnd't go... You spent the last 30 posts telling me it wasn't there... I finally show it to you and now you are saying it wont be have to be paid by the employee... incredible...
GO TO 729,(or close depending on pdf reader) Title iX-Revenue Provisions Subtitle A-Revenue Offset Provisions Sec 9001. (see this is the part where they have to amend the TAX codes) NOW scroll to the very next section... OHHH NOOO SEC 4980I Excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health care coverage... OHHH Bye Bye Barsense Bye Bye
No need you are already gone as far as I am concerned, you have no credibility at all, taxing cadilac health insurance plans was thrown out before the bill was passed and made into law.
@barsense - it is very SIMPLE... it is either there... or it isn't... if it is, your gone, if it isn't... you're gone. We will confirm first that we are both looking at the actual LAW
@ITakeAStand What is the matter with you I already posted the law. I already proved it. I don't believe in betting, against my religion, and if it was not I would bet with a rabid dog before I would bet with you because I would trust it more.
@barsense - OK then we wont make it a bet... how about we make an agreement. Obviously I think you are a straight up liar... You think I'm a liar... it is in black and white either it is in the bill or it is not.. so lets agree, If it is in the bill, you will agree to stop posting on this video... If I'm wrong and it is not there... then I will not only agree to stop posting but before I leave I will Post that i'm a damn liar ... how about that for an agreement?
@barsense - it is soo simple... either I can prove it... or I can't... why won't you stand behind your story? I can't make up a Law, it is either in the law... or it isn't.. Take the bet.
@ITakeAStand - In fact... before we bet lets make sure we are both using the actual law... downloaded from govtrack.us. Protection and Affordable Care Act HR 3590 (should say authenticated us government informtation)
@barsense - what is the matter with YOU? You have called me a liar MULTIPLE times but you will not stand behind your accusations? either it is there, or it isn't what is the problem?
Come on Barsense... you've called me a liar at least 20 times over this... YOU'RE desperate to prove that "the whitehouse didn't lie when they said "never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act". Have some conviction, lets make a deal. If a tax on high cost employer-sponsored health care coverage isn't in the law, I'm gone, if it is... You are gone...
@ITakeAStand Useless taking a bet with your kind, you would just sign up under another name and keep right on spamming this site. Been there done that with your kind before.
@barsense - Nope.. I will not come back to this video if I'm wrong... and I will expect the same from you. You've called me a liar over and over ... back up your conviction - or stay a liar forever.
@ITakeAStand AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE.
@barsense - come on... lets make a deal... IF it really isn't there, this is your chance to get rid of me. And if it is, at least there is One more liberal that will for at least two seconds realized that Obama DID indeed lie... ( oh and you wont be posting on this video any more! )
OK... Barsense. Lets make a deal. If I can prove excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage IS in the Law...then you no longer post on this video... IF on the flip side it is indeed not there... than I will stop? deal?
See ITakeAStand you blatant bald-faced Pant's on Fire LIAR there is no 4980 there is no 4900, there is NOT 49801
I guess you don't care though because of the anonimity on the net but anyone who downloads the PDF of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will know that you are lying. But you don't care do you you just don't want people to get decent medical care even though many of them work very hard and are just paid low wages with no benefits.
Ah, the power of subpoena. Nothing like appearing before a congressional committee (under oath) to help one reflect on his or her actions and motives behind those actions. With a Democratic wipeout looming in the upcoming elections, the czars will have little cover to disguise whether their actions were treasonous and if their Commander in Chief has truly upheld his oath ".... to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
@barsense - OH this is tooo priceless... You want sooo much to be right... but SORRY... you are looking for 4980(1) - it is 4980I (like I for indigo). I'm laughing so hard right now I could cry.... I guess this is one case that your talent at cut and paste would have come in handy... I TYPED IT CORRECTLY... you simply are Incapable of reading. STILL LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!
• @barsense - YES PEOPLE... PLEASE DO and then look at the section that I referenced not the section the idiot typed... I referenced 4980(I) like indigo or in basense case(I)gnorant... not section 4980(1). Typical for barsense to have to be proved wrong for 19 posts but he is hanging in there... it will click in here in a minute and he will realize he is wrong then he will have to go to "i was tricked" or you're being a bully... standard out of the liberal agenda play book.
• @barsense - hey, have you figured out the difference between 1 & I. just in case you can always remember how to spell IGNORANT. - I'll make a deal with you ... If a High Cost Plan excise tax. (AKA that thing youquoted, “Whitehouse says never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act") isn’t there, I’ll never post on this video again… if it is, then YOU don’t post again… how about that?
@ITakeAStand WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THERE IS NO 4980 NO 49801 NO 4900'S OF ANY KIND. THE BILL SKIPS FROM 44OO'S TO 5000'S GO CHECK AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. GOVTRACK.US PANTS' ON FIRE .
Well Barsense... you've been proven a liar for the final time. here is the exact wording from the act. “sec 4960I Excise tax on high Cost employer-sponsored health coverage. (a) imposition of Tax. – if- (1) an employee is covered under any applicable employer sponsored coverage of an employer at any time during a taxable period, and (2) there is an excess benefit with respect to coverage there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 40% of the excess benefit.
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Each coverage provider shall pay the
tax imposed by subsection (a) on its applicable share of the
excess benefit with respect to an employee for any taxable
period. This is in reference to 1 and to (a) just like it says, it is not the employee who will be taxed it is the provider. The part you posted just explains how much the tax will be, at least that is the way I read it. I will have to do some checking on it.
Well Barsense... I guess you should say goodbye now... you've been proven a liar for the final time. here is the exact wording from the act. “sec 4960I Excise tax on high Cost employer-sponsored health coverage. (a) imposition of Tax. – if- (1) an employee is covered under any applicable employer sponsored coverage of an employer at any time during a taxable period, and (2) there is an excess benefit with respect to coverage there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 40% of the excess benefit.
@ITakeAStand This is a public fourm, barsense dosen't have to go anywhere. When Boss Limpballs tells a lie on his radio program then says he was missinformed do you call him out for lying? I know lying is something that other people do, not conservatives or T-baggers like Christen O'Donnell, she was just misinformed when she listed on her resume that she attended Oxford, she thought the Clairmont Institute was Oxford.
@SteelMartini - No problem... then quit telling me to leave FUCKTARD... You want to bully but you dont want to be bullied, you want to lie but you dont want to be called out on your lies, you want to accuse but you dont want your own accusations to be used against you! so you know what... KEEP FUCKING LYING, because I will keep prointing out your lies!
@ITakeAStand Your twisted, it must be difficult getting by day to day when reality is so unstable. Your the one who claims to have a monopoly on what is truth. How do expect people to treat you when your act so rude and sling profane insults at everyone who dosnt agree with you? Are you on some holy crusade to defend truth?your confusing me with other commenters, I didn't make all thoes claims regarding donors.
@SteelMartini - you are correct, you didnt make the original claims... but when I corrected the facts you said, "He obviously obtained his information fro Fox Reoublican News Channel. I know Obama set the record for small individual donations" soooo sorry - Bush and Obama had nearly the exact same percentage of small donars (people who donated less than 200 total)
@SteelMartini - AND YES, actually I am on some crusade to defend the truth. I sincerely dont care if people Love obama, I sincerely dont care if you get a chill up your leg when he speaks, but The LIES are what I have a problem with. Stop posting lies, and I'll stop tearing the lies to pieces!
@ITakeAStand A educated person might tell you that lies or truth is relative. On complex policy issues it's extreamly difficult to sort out was is truth or what is a lie because these policies are not black and white, but gray.
@SteelMartini - but sorry, when baresense says. "Whitehouse says never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act") - that is a very clear easily refutable statement. see healthcare ACT sec 4960I Excise tax on high Cost employer-sponsored health coverage. - making that a clear cut LIE!
@ITakeAStand You really do have no conscience or decency about you. You are one of the worst that I have ever seen in the over 2 years that I have been posting on political blog sites.
@ITakeAStand Ohhh, that's what the pissing match is about. I still don't get you and other conservatives. If you want to call out lies and defend the truth, why do you affiliate with T-baggers, they are swimming in lies. For example Death Panels, the president is a Muslim and not a citizen, president is a Marxist, socialist. Look St all the contradictions of T-Party candidates.
@SteelMartini - OH and just a quick reminder of the kind nonbullying freindly post you've called us: "Liars, twisted, stuck on stupid, sociopath ignorant thieving corrupt, right wing blabber mouths, broken disturbed people, crazy, crackpots, communist, fascist, republicans and T-baggers all in the same boat, you look like a child throwing a fit with all these desperate post, deformed goon, mean inhuman creatures, with twisted little limbs and misshapen heads.
@barsense - hey, have you figured out the difference between 1 & I. just in case you can always remember how to spell IGNORANT. - I'll make a deal with you ... If a High Cost Plan excise tax. (AKA that thing you quoted, “Whitehouse says never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act") isn’t there, I’ll never post on this video again… if it is, then YOU don’t post again… how about that?
@ITakeAStand How many more years before you grow up and become a mature adult? You must have had your cookies and milk by now, so isn't it time for your nap? It's difficult to converse with others on this thread due to all your little messes scattered about. If you want to play with the big boys try sticking to facts and act mature, keep the conversation clean.
@SteelMartini - Hey if you are looking for a "conversation" with somethat drinks up your bullshit lies and your pretend facts then call your mommie. You are on a public forum. YOU KEEP LYING... I'll keep calling you out on it!
RON PAUL 2012!
iChrizStar 3 days ago
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What if Obama really showed his birth certificate instead of the FORGERY he had the audacity to produce on April 27th- Obama is a slick smooth talking politician who is an exellent speaker and likable but has covered his past history- If you GOOGLE "LARRY SINCLAIR" he talks about Obama's past history- I believe LARRY because I know Obama has deliberately hidden every part of his past at great expense-
MrsMaryBoyle 3 months ago
You're clueless to evidence and all the minds he's messin' with, His charm and smile hasn't got my ass up out this debt for shit, Frontin' like he's truly Jesus, And all you fools believe it The change he's making isn't good, that's just how you conceived it
jeffy12 5 months ago
change happens because you vote him , motherfuckers_
TheAriiiiiiiiiiiii 5 months ago
i hate all presidents!!!!!!!!!!! they are reptilians people! believe me! :D peace world.
TheAriiiiiiiiiiiii 5 months ago
SURE WE SAW YOU FUCKING CHANGE 44 MILLION ON FOOD STAMPS AND MILLIONS OUT OF THERE HOMES ALL WHILE YOUR OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE YOU HYPOCRITE SCUM !!
yourmomscalling 8 months ago
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TheDuaneBrewer 9 months ago
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I'm tired of seeing children get groped and porno-scanned at airports.End the TSA. I don't want armed bullies telling me whether or not peaceful citizens can smoke marijuana. End prohibition. I don't want armed men telling women (and men) what they can and can't do with their personal sex lives when they're not hurting anyone. Legalize prostitution. Let's get rid of the PATRIOT Act and take our civil liberties back! Ron Paul 2012!!
streetmagicstyle 9 months ago
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OBAMA SUPPORTERS = BRAINDEAD TROLLS! WAKE UP IDIOTS OBAMA IS DESTROYING AMERICA WITH MASSIVE SPENDING AND TAX HIKES! NOW REMEMBER OBAMA PROMISED THE UNEMPLOYMENT WOULD NOT GO UP IF THE STIMULUS PACKAGES WERE PASSED. STILL RISING ANOTHER FAILED OBAMA PLAN! OBAMA IS A JOKE WITH NO EXPERIENCE! THIS IDIOT WAS A LAWYER FOR THE CORRUPT ACORN ORG. AND OBAMA GAVE THEM SOME OF THE STIMULUS MONEY! ALSO GAVE THE COMPANY THAT CAUSED THE HOUSING CRISIS MONEY AS WELL - FANNIE MAE FREDDIE MAC! WAKE UP!
impeachobamanow2010 1 year ago
VOTE!!!
bleuivy 1 year ago
I for one am disappointed in Mr. Obama and the things he has done agaInst our constitution. I for one am going independent like my forefathers who pioneered our country.
johnfloder 1 year ago
Yes, let's change the idiots that are running this country. Change and hope ? change is what I have left in my pocket after obama and the dems got elected. Hope doesn't pay the bills.
runman1271 1 year ago
All of the canadians, australians, and even those from Europe that I correspond with appreciate the freedom that universal heatlhcare gives them because unlike Americans they are not tied to a job they hate just for insurance and many of them have experience with both American healthcare as they live part-time here in American and they prefer the care they receive under universal healthcare.
barsense 1 year ago
I will be voting Democrat... but, will still enjoy the spectacle even if Teabaggers win 2010 seats... Cuz even if they get up there, they will actually have to do something instead simply standing in opposition and criticizing. Since the Republican special interest big money ran away with the Tea Party...tea baggers will actually be bought & paid for even before they get to office. Plus, a tea bagger win in 2010 makes for an easy Obama win in 2012... a win win situation...
braithmorgan 1 year ago
@braithmorgan Good points and I have to agree.
barsense 1 year ago
NO MORE DEMOCRATS, WE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR LIES PRE. OBAMA. NO MORE MR. OBAMA, YOU FOOLED ME ONCE, NOT A SECOND CHANCE GOING REPUBLICAN.
GalwayRose1 1 year ago
@GalwayRose1
Go Fuck yourself.....
Move out of the UNITED STATES you racist Childmolestin Blood drinking No TRUE religion having crazy fucker!!!
pabankhead1 1 year ago
NO MORE DEMOCRATS, WE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR LIES PRE. OBAMA.
GalwayRose1 1 year ago
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BYE BYE OBAMA!! YOU ARE DESTROYING AMERICA. DO NOT VOTE FOR ANDREW CUOMO. PLEASE.
GalwayRose1 1 year ago
Less then two weeks until the ppl make or break America. Depending on how many fox news has managed to brainwash. Dems better win...
Rockntheclub 1 year ago
@Rockntheclub OBAMA AND HIS CRONIES FOOLED US ONCE, THEY WILL NOT FOOL ME THIS TIME--VOTE REPUBLICAN. BLESSINGS AND PEACE.
WOW WHAT FOWL LANGUAGE theonlybravehart85!
GalwayRose1 1 year ago
@GalwayRose1 Lol Im not stupid. Republicans are going to destroy America and ur going to regret voting a tea bagger. Atleast obamas trying. Do u not see it in his white hair. All repubs r good at is oposition. That and going against everything the democrats support. And how the hell did Obama fool us. He's basically trying to do everything he promised. Really ud rather have a teenage mom and facist gray haired grandpas who belong in a senior home ruling our country. America really is behind.
Rockntheclub 1 year ago 4
@Rockntheclub I agree with you, Obama has worked hard to follow thru and he and the dems have done an amazing job when you look at and compare data analysis on recessions, etc. etc the people that have been fooled are not democrats, republican leaders only represent top income and we need leaders like the democrats that represent ALL income levels.
barsense 1 year ago
@Rockntheclub Do you really think his white hair is not planned? Come on, he gets his hair cut every week.
bnjones28 1 year ago
@bnjones28 Lol I hope ur not one of those people that thinks he's an illegal Muslim immigrant from Kenya. Sure maybe he's purposefully not dyig his hair. But ur not going to tell me that his new wrinkles come from plastic surgery
Rockntheclub 1 year ago
@GalwayRose1
ATheistic DEVIL WORSHIPPING no religion having GAY fuckers are always FOOLING us.....This Country does not belong to YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA is making sure YOU crazy fuckers don't play anymore GAMES LYING No religion having Piece of SHit!!!
pabankhead1 1 year ago
Looks like people are still buying the bull. For pete's sake go back to his campaign speeches. Address to the nation Well any of his speeches will do. This guys lies and lies and lies. Give the world a break!!
landlogger 1 year ago
GOD DAMN ... that shit made me wana vote ... although i'm not an american !!! lool
if that was Bush : Well folks ... U gotta do what u gotta do .. ! Vote for me .. "Mr.President this is not the presidential elections" ... well then vote for the other guy ! OMG George get down and shut the FUCK UP !
TheOnlyBraveHeart85 1 year ago
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he's a nigger coon who eats watermelons while drinking grape soda after eating fried chicken that he paid for by picking cotton while smoking crack after raping someone while eating a banana. Big lip, flat nose, nappy headed, dead beat, don't pay child support, living off welfare, coon Muslim from Kenya, NIGGER!!!!!!!
mgenty2k5 1 year ago
bo is a jackass
meltdown53 1 year ago
@meltdown53
So are You No religion having Satan worshipping Gay Fucker that have No Moral Code are all Jackasses!!!
Whites Never had or will ever have a TRUE RELIGION and Catholics are a made up Religion like Satanism made up by YOU Confuse Atheistic Ignorant Racist fuckers!!!
pabankhead1 1 year ago
@pabankhead1 just a little FYI, the dems symbol is a jackass, the rep symbol is an elephant, try education it works every time....swearing just shows ignorance...by the way who said I was white, black, or green?
meltdown53 1 year ago 2
@meltdown53 Atheistic Asshole
Well I guess Im not good with LABELS you asshole like you ATHEISTIC ignorant ill-informed ALBINOS are...... as I said before is all of you No moralistic having no moral code having fuckers are all JACKASSES!!!
Besides Catholicism is not a REAL RELIGION just a fake to have somewhere for the CHILDMOLESTERS can play with the childern and they were JEALOUS of the Christians who have a TRUE Religion now you TRY EDUCATION you asshole!!!
pabankhead1 1 year ago
@meltdown53 THUMBS UP. OBAMA FOOLEDE US ONCE NOT HIS CRONIES OR BACKROOM DEALS. DO NOT VOTE DEMOC RAT, VOTE REPUBLICAN
VOTE REPUBLICAN. PEACE AND BLESSINGS
GalwayRose1 1 year ago
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The sooner Obama, Michele, and all their dual-citizen Zionist staff and czars are gone, the better! May God hurry them along, and may they take McCain with them. And PLEASE also take with you Pelosi, Reid, Barney, Feinstein, Boxer, Snowe, Collins, and all the other long-timers. We need ONLY new blood in Congress.
GThomason 1 year ago
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THUMBS UP BABY!
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godroxdahowse 1 year ago
Listen up ObamaLoons, ever heard of the Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) program? Back in November 2008 and last week, Teresa Ghilarducci testified to Congress that 401(k)s and IRAs should be confiscated and converted into universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration. It’s good to see Obama is going to spread all that liberal wealth as well!
dkkght46 1 year ago
You're finished.
Ulbim01 1 year ago
Barry Soetoro- A.K.A. Barack Obama birth certificate rally this Saturday Oct. 23rd Wash. D.C. Bring your birth certificate. Michelle Soetoro said- "When we took our trip to Africa & visited HIS HOME COUNTRY KENYA..." Obama Crimes. com. He has sealed all his records. Why?
2ndSamuel710 1 year ago
He obviously doesnt know what the hell hes doing why doesnt he listen to anyone elses advice?? Especially the people? We needed a positive change not a bigger cluster frick!!!! Take some advice from Rush limbaugh or Glen Beck or Hannity be open minded of yourself you can do nothing.
pntdblack 1 year ago
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LET'S MOVE AMERICA FORWARD! Yes we can!
Seasonchange1 1 year ago
@Seasonchange1 Repuli-Cons are always touting the constitution but don't abide by it. They don't support First Amendment Rights because they are always trying to censor other peoples speach on this fourm by flagging them as spam.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@TheHonda550 "Blue Gold" documentary about water. History favors elites, they have for the most part dominated. But hope is possible, for example 350org or another group that is very active and having success is collapsenetcom they are showing people how to live outside the destructive system.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
Even Sarah Palins family came to Canada to use our health care system when they were growing up because the Palins couldn't afford health insurance.
TheHonda550 1 year ago
@TheHonda550 I have several friends from Canada that email back and forth with me and they all like the Canadian healthcare system because it gives them more freedom and unlike Americans they are not tied to a job they hate just for health ins. they have said it makes it much easier for entrepreneurs also, and therefore actually boosts private industry growth..
barsense 1 year ago
Ps I live in a country that HAS HEALTH CARE and we are fine. None feel burdened but all feel a tremendous privilege and sense of community to care for one another.
TheHonda550 1 year ago
@TheHonda550 >> I too, have met a few Canadians who are bewildered & even slightly amused by some American's view of socialized medicine. As an American I am in awe of the tremendous amount of misinformation used as fear tactics against health care reform & even more unbelievable are those people who eagerly want to believe such information without even trying to ck it out. There is such mistrust of the government in general... this is the true crisis, Gov't has lost the trust of its people.
braithmorgan 1 year ago
America needs to fight for justice because the world needs a model of civil justice that doesn't exist anywhere else on this planet. I pray because the US constitution just might be the document that will save this planet from self-annihilation. We need Americans to fight for the freedom of the their Constitution the way that It was intended. Not by second thought and bigotry. We need you America in this world. We need you and love you though we express anger and frustration.
TheHonda550 1 year ago
@ChowieBear regarding your last comment, Yes it would and I do like to meet up with political minded friends over drinks and trade opinions over the weeks events. Your right they are intolerant of others, gays, minorities, other religions, basically people who are diffrent. All the diffrent research about them shows this, from childhood to adults. They would make better drones then leaders because that can't cope with change easily.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@TheHonda550 That may be why elites of the world are banning together to tear America down. In the 90's threatened parties joined forces to gaily the production of the electric car. You can learn how in the documentary "who killed the electric car". I also reccomend Jeff Fowe's book "the global class war"
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini Oh, I just saw "who killed the electric car". The truth Freaked me out. I just read about the water wars ....I am on the case! Do you think its too late or is there hope?
TheHonda550 1 year ago
@SteelMartini Can we really fight the true war against these forces? Is it really too much to want to drink clean water from the tap that flows from a chemical free spring and eat food grown straight from the soil and from animals not treated like bar coded clones? Is it really possible that we as humans can expect dignity to live and die without making a profit for someone?
TheHonda550 1 year ago
@TheHonda550 Sound like you may be interested in "Coal Country" and "Food Inc." if you have not seen them already. I hear "Insider Trading" is a good documentary and a new one about who is behind the large secret donations to American midterm elections.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
Nigeria pays NO TAXES - if you think that a democratic healthy nation can live without taxes go to AFRICA or the CARIBBEAN. NO TAXES and chaos!!!! COMMUNIST CHINA COLLECTS NO TAXES. Go live like the Chinese struggling to feed themselves. I don't want to live in that world.
TheHonda550 1 year ago
What the heck happened to lifting of the blockade on CUBA???
TheHonda550 1 year ago
@TheHonda550 This was a promise the NEW young Democrats believed in!
TheHonda550 1 year ago
If these people are liberals, why are they all wearing red?
stryderzer0 1 year ago
@stryderzer0 I expect it is the college team colors.
barsense 1 year ago
@stryderzer0 Why do Republicans get tagged with Red and Democrates blue? I have a theory but would like to hear other opinions.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
You said tax on employee, the tax is on the coverage PROVIDER the insurance company. READ DOWN FURTHER.. 731
‘‘(c) LIABILITY TO PAY TAX.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Each coverage provider shall pay the
tax imposed by subsection (a) on its applicable share of the
excess benefit with respect to an employee for any taxable
period.
barsense 1 year ago 11
@barsense Do you remember when the Cons lied about the new health care bill and said you would be tossed in jail if you did not have health insurance? Some high ranking elected officials were even making that claim.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini Yes, I do along with a bunch of other stuff like death panels lol
barsense 1 year ago
@SteelMartini Oh and another really good one is the I think it was something 1500 new IRS agents. LOL. Heatlhcare will be handled the same as DOT no new IRS agents needed for that and won't be for this either.
barsense 1 year ago
@SteelMartini I still can't figure out why so many people would rather burden employers with healthcare and pay such high medical and ins. costs which are hiked up to cover the cost of poor having to use emergency room which is soooo expensive when nationalized heatlhcare would be so much cheaper. And the socialist argument is silly because Canada is rated as more capitalistic than America and they have nationalized healthcare.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense Most of the Fortune 500 companies are in Europe and socialized medicine must be working out quit well if the are in the top 500. Our companies have to shoulder the burden of employee health care. I think it's because of the elites in this country want a tiered system, were thoes at the bottom are exposed to the highest risk or attrition rates.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini That is certainly true, the smaller the business the higher the cost is. That is one of the issue in the heatlhcare reform that will be a huge help to smaller businesses. Forming an exchange where we can purchase insurance for our employees at closer to the cheaper rates that large corps get. Things like this if the republicans represented small business like they try to pretend they do should have been done when they were in charge. To them small bus is 18 mill or above tho
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense The problem is the country is steered by elites, like the Koch brothers and secret backers of the Chamber of Commerce who are trying to buy the elections. These elites think they are the guardians of civilization so they stack the deck in thier favor and suppress everyone beneath them. They realy are parasites feeding off the body of thier host, if we could throw them off, we could make real progress in the world.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
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@SteelMartini I am impressed with your knowledge of how politics work and with your knowledge about economics, and I find myself agreeing with more of what you post than I do with many even other democrats. We democrats are a diverse lot not like the republicans who vote as one person so it is not often I come across someone who I agree with as much as I do with you.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense I took a little time and looked last night and I couldn't find anything on employees paying a tax for not having health coverage. There is a excise tax for high cost employer coverage, but it's not on the employee.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini Thanks steel for taking the time to look it up, the right push so much false info on the HC bill you would think more people would see they are just crying wolf. A good parable, Mr. farmer wants to build a fence to keep the wolves away from his sheep and the wolves see what he is doing and it will make it harder for them to feed off of the sheep so the wolves set out to convince the sheep the fence will only make things worse and get the sheep to tell Mr farmer no fence
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense Thats a good story, there is a German one about a Black Fox who is killing and eating other animals, he blames the killing on the leader and protector of the forest. Have you read Animal Farm?
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini Never have read it. Our right wing spammer is posting on the newest video under mrAmericanstand or something like that. A regular Saudi channel talking point person , falls for everything the commentators say. Still does not know or does not care that these commentators are not required to check facts and don't before airing & that they just play to prejudices and drama much like comedians do.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense I wonder if he's a paid spanner, it wouldn't suprise me if the money bag republicans hire people to defend them on discussion sites. They used to get volunteers from Free Republic to call up radio programs and C-Span, they would contact them and provide the talking point and tell them wich program to call.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini I would not be surprised if some are paid , maybe that is why they are always thinking that democrats like us who are very active are paid. LOL
barsense 1 year ago
@SteelMartini BTW, If I was paid I would insist on not having to type that darn code in after so many posts all the time. lol
barsense 1 year ago
LOL.
tnguyen318 8 months ago
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again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE." Right and that was when we were talking about taxing the EMPLOYEE LIKE YOU LIED AND CLAIMED THEY WERE NOT ABOUT TAXING INSURANCE COMPANIES.
barsense 1 year ago
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again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE."
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand ADMIT IT you said nothing about taxing INSURANCE COMPANIES. You claimed the tax was a tax on employees and you did not even qualify cadilac plans I was the first that mentioned that. You and I were both wrong. PERIOD. SO ADMIT IT YOU WERE WRONG LIKE YOU SAID YOU WOULD. I have the guts to admit that I was wrong on part of it so you have the guts to admit where you were wrong.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand No tax on EMPLOYEE. TAX IS ON INSURANCE CO.
Insurance companies now are limited on how much profit they can make they have to refund to the consumer if they make over 20% so your claim that your argument is valid because the cost would passed on to the employee is not valid.
barsense 1 year ago 10
LMAO.
tnguyen318 8 months ago
@barsense Showing your true colors now...Study the histories of what socialism has led to. You & Oboma can take it & be gone...
dnahulvey 1 year ago
@dnahulvey And I have studied history, and I don't agree with overdoing socialism but American became the strongest country in the world with a MIXED economy, pre-dominantly capitalistic with some socialism. Obama is pushing capitalism the same as he is improvements in the socialist part of our economy. That is why he has given numerous tax cuts to small business and funded so many private industry businesses in the green energy field. Currently pushing for more infrastructure funding.
barsense 1 year ago
@dnahulvey Just take a look at socialist countries or countries that adopt social policies today, many of them are beating us in indexs such as education, health , happines, infastructure, city standing, public service. It's as if they are advancing and we are going through a regression.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
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again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE."
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
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@ITakeAStand again... here is your exact post "AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE." yes but we were talking about taxing the EMPLOYEE, NOT THE PROVIDER THE INSURANCE CO.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - You might want to look up Cadillac tax... You insisted it wasn't in the bill... it is your a bold face LIAR.. it is ok. I dont mind at all that you aren't leaving it is way to much fun proving you a LIAR AT EVERY TURN
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Yes they did discuss taxing employees and threw that out. I did not know they had changed it to taxing insurance companies instead, I did thing they threw it out all together. . The whole argument was about taxing employees not about taxing insurance companies. You were wrong about taxing employees and I was wrong about Congress dropping the cadilac plan tax completely, they just changed it from taxing employee to taxing the provider.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - AS USUAL... you were robbed, you were confused, someone tricked you... we were discussing cadillac taxes the entire time.. regardless who pays them they get passed along to the employee HENCE the reason the unions rightfully freaked out over the tax. Doesn't matter as usual your changing your story and youve proven yourself a liar... you coulnd't even find 4980I in the bill.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
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@ITakeAStand You are a LIAR you said tax on employee nothing was mentioned about tax on the insurance companies.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand BTW you did not even qualify with cadilac plans you made it out that ALL EMPLOYEES would be taxed on heatlhcare by 2018 you said. The date was wrong and employees are not being taxes on healthcare insurance co. are being taxed.
That is two very different things, insurance companies are also limited on how much profit they can make off of a consumer now so I am not so sure that they CAN pass the cost off to employees even if the employer does own ins. and is the provider.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - actually you are off again that was another poster saying that all employees would be posting... and I mentioned that they had the dates wrong and it was the cadilliac plan...
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand OMG, you are absolutely the worst Tea Party spammer and most pathological even much worse than what I thought from the posts I have seen to date. I knew you would not leave even if though I proved you were wrong. I knew you would never admit to any part of being wrong on anything and would just make up more BS to cover the other BS.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand
The excise tax works in a roundabout way. Under the Senate Finance proposal, insurance companies would have to pay a 40 percent excise tax on health insurance policies that exceed $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for families.
barsense 1 year ago
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barsense 1 year ago
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@ITakeAStand COME ON MAN IT IS RIGHT UP ABOVE READ YOUR OWN LOUSY POSTS. TAX ON EMPLOYEE, NO TAX ON EMPLOYEE'
First it is 49801 then it is 4980( 1) then it is back to 49801 then it is 49601 LMAO
TAX ON EMPLOYEES WAS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT NOT TAX ON INSURANCE COMPANIES.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand COME ON MAN IT IS RIGHT UP ABOVE READ YOUR OWN LOUSY POSTS. TAX ON EMPLOYEE YOU SAID, and there is NO TAX ON EMPLOYEES it is on INSURANCE CO.
First it is 49801 then it is 4980( 1) then it is back to 49801 then it is 49601 Can't make up your mind. LOL
TAX ON EMPLOYEES WAS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT NOT A TAX ON INSURANCE COMPANIES.
barsense 1 year ago 3
I was not looking for a tax on the INSURANCE CO. I WAS LOOKING FOR A TAX ON THE EMPLOYEE LIKE YOU SAID. No tax on employee YOU GO.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - It is the fucking cadillac tax...AS I specifically stated.. the tax gets reported and passed on to the employee you
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand YEAH RIGHT, I knew you would not stick by it what you said. NO TAX ON EMPLOYEE, PERIOD.
barsense 1 year ago
And folks that is how you prove a Tea Party spammer to be a liar.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - Incredible... I knew you woulnd't go... You spent the last 30 posts telling me it wasn't there... I finally show it to you and now you are saying it wont be have to be paid by the employee... incredible...
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
And that Folks... is how you prove a liberal to be a liar!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago 3
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@ITakeAStand You said tax on employee, the tax is on the coverage PROVIDER the insurance company. READ DOWN FURTHER.. 731
‘‘(c) LIABILITY TO PAY TAX.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Each coverage provider shall pay the
tax imposed by subsection (a) on its applicable share of the
excess benefit with respect to an employee for any taxable
period.‘‘(2) Are you going to try and keep your LIE up top like all you spammers usually do? Tax is on Insurance CO.
barsense 1 year ago
that was page 729 (depending on your PDF reader) if you were confused
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand You said tax on employee, the tax is on the coverage PROVIDER the insurance company. READ DOWN FURTHER.. 731
‘‘(c) LIABILITY TO PAY TAX.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Each coverage provider shall pay the
tax imposed by subsection (a) on its applicable share of the
excess benefit with respect to an employee for any taxable
period.
‘‘(2)
barsense 1 year ago
GO TO 729,(or close depending on pdf reader) Title iX-Revenue Provisions Subtitle A-Revenue Offset Provisions Sec 9001. (see this is the part where they have to amend the TAX codes) NOW scroll to the very next section... OHHH NOOO SEC 4980I Excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health care coverage... OHHH Bye Bye Barsense Bye Bye
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
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ITakeAStand 1 year ago
No need you are already gone as far as I am concerned, you have no credibility at all, taxing cadilac health insurance plans was thrown out before the bill was passed and made into law.
barsense 1 year ago
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@barsense - come on... you have called me a LIAR over and over... this is your chance to get rid of me if i'm lying...
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@barsense - it is very SIMPLE... it is either there... or it isn't... if it is, your gone, if it isn't... you're gone. We will confirm first that we are both looking at the actual LAW
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand I already posted the actual law, got it from Govtrack.us and downloaded the PDF that is what I copied and pasted from.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - GREAT... take the BET
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand What is the matter with you I already posted the law. I already proved it. I don't believe in betting, against my religion, and if it was not I would bet with a rabid dog before I would bet with you because I would trust it more.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - OK then we wont make it a bet... how about we make an agreement. Obviously I think you are a straight up liar... You think I'm a liar... it is in black and white either it is in the bill or it is not.. so lets agree, If it is in the bill, you will agree to stop posting on this video... If I'm wrong and it is not there... then I will not only agree to stop posting but before I leave I will Post that i'm a damn liar ... how about that for an agreement?
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand lol, like I could really trust you to do that the way you have acted.
I already proved it so go for it.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - it is soo simple... either I can prove it... or I can't... why won't you stand behind your story? I can't make up a Law, it is either in the law... or it isn't.. Take the bet.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand - In fact... before we bet lets make sure we are both using the actual law... downloaded from govtrack.us. Protection and Affordable Care Act HR 3590 (should say authenticated us government informtation)
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand That is exactly what I copied and pasted from. Only it says information not informtation.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand BTW it is Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act HR 3950 No such bill as Protection and Affordable Care Act HR 3950
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - hah ahah Ok ok .. yes we are in agreement... Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act HR 3950
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
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@barsense - what is the matter with YOU? You have called me a liar MULTIPLE times but you will not stand behind your accusations? either it is there, or it isn't what is the problem?
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
Come on Barsense... you've called me a liar at least 20 times over this... YOU'RE desperate to prove that "the whitehouse didn't lie when they said "never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act". Have some conviction, lets make a deal. If a tax on high cost employer-sponsored health care coverage isn't in the law, I'm gone, if it is... You are gone...
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Sec. 4305. Advancing research and treatment for pain care management.
Sec. 4306. Funding for Childhood Obesity Demonstration Project.
Subtitle E—Miscellaneous Provisions
Sec. 4401. Sense of the Senate concerning CBO scoring.
Sec. 4402. Effectiveness of Federal health and wellness initiatives.
TITLE V—HEALTH CARE WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Purpose and Definitions
Sec. 5001. Purpose.
Sec. 5002. Definitions. It really is not there, Pant's on Fire.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - NO PROBLEM... take the bet!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Useless taking a bet with your kind, you would just sign up under another name and keep right on spamming this site. Been there done that with your kind before.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense - Nope.. I will not come back to this video if I'm wrong... and I will expect the same from you. You've called me a liar over and over ... back up your conviction - or stay a liar forever.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
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@barsense - If your so confident... take the bet.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand AND YOU ARE ALREADY GONE, CONGRESS DISCUSSED TAXING CADILLAC HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS BUT IT WAS THROWN OUT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED. SO NEVER WAS, NEVER HAS BEEN IN THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED. BYE BYE PANT'S ON FIRE.
barsense 1 year ago
@barsense TAKE THE BET!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@barsense - jeez take the bet. If he is wrong he will be gone.
mcassemblies 1 year ago
@barsense - come on... lets make a deal... IF it really isn't there, this is your chance to get rid of me. And if it is, at least there is One more liberal that will for at least two seconds realized that Obama DID indeed lie... ( oh and you wont be posting on this video any more! )
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
OK... Barsense. Lets make a deal. If I can prove excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage IS in the Law...then you no longer post on this video... IF on the flip side it is indeed not there... than I will stop? deal?
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
See ITakeAStand you blatant bald-faced Pant's on Fire LIAR there is no 4980 there is no 4900, there is NOT 49801
I guess you don't care though because of the anonimity on the net but anyone who downloads the PDF of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will know that you are lying. But you don't care do you you just don't want people to get decent medical care even though many of them work very hard and are just paid low wages with no benefits.
barsense 1 year ago
See below ITakeAStand you blatant bald-faced Pant's on Fire LIAR there is no 4980 there is no 4900, there is NOT 49801
barsense 1 year ago
Ah, the power of subpoena. Nothing like appearing before a congressional committee (under oath) to help one reflect on his or her actions and motives behind those actions. With a Democratic wipeout looming in the upcoming elections, the czars will have little cover to disguise whether their actions were treasonous and if their Commander in Chief has truly upheld his oath ".... to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
dkkght46 1 year ago
@barsense - OH this is tooo priceless... You want sooo much to be right... but SORRY... you are looking for 4980(1) - it is 4980I (like I for indigo). I'm laughing so hard right now I could cry.... I guess this is one case that your talent at cut and paste would have come in handy... I TYPED IT CORRECTLY... you simply are Incapable of reading. STILL LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago 2
• @barsense - YES PEOPLE... PLEASE DO and then look at the section that I referenced not the section the idiot typed... I referenced 4980(I) like indigo or in basense case(I)gnorant... not section 4980(1). Typical for barsense to have to be proved wrong for 19 posts but he is hanging in there... it will click in here in a minute and he will realize he is wrong then he will have to go to "i was tricked" or you're being a bully... standard out of the liberal agenda play book.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
• @barsense - hey, have you figured out the difference between 1 & I. just in case you can always remember how to spell IGNORANT. - I'll make a deal with you ... If a High Cost Plan excise tax. (AKA that thing youquoted, “Whitehouse says never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act") isn’t there, I’ll never post on this video again… if it is, then YOU don’t post again… how about that?
ITakeAStand 1 year ago 2
@ITakeAStand WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THERE IS NO 4980 NO 49801 NO 4900'S OF ANY KIND. THE BILL SKIPS FROM 44OO'S TO 5000'S GO CHECK AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. GOVTRACK.US PANTS' ON FIRE .
barsense 1 year ago
Well Barsense... you've been proven a liar for the final time. here is the exact wording from the act. “sec 4960I Excise tax on high Cost employer-sponsored health coverage. (a) imposition of Tax. – if- (1) an employee is covered under any applicable employer sponsored coverage of an employer at any time during a taxable period, and (2) there is an excess benefit with respect to coverage there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 40% of the excess benefit.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Sec. 4305. Advancing research and treatment for pain care management.
Sec. 4306. Funding for Childhood Obesity Demonstration Project.
Subtitle E—Miscellaneous Provisions
Sec. 4401. Sense of the Senate concerning CBO scoring.
Sec. 4402. Effectiveness of Federal health and wellness initiatives.
TITLE V—HEALTH CARE WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Purpose and Definitions
Sec. 5001. Purpose.
Sec. 5002. Definitions.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand ‘‘(c) LIABILITY TO PAY TAX.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Each coverage provider shall pay the
tax imposed by subsection (a) on its applicable share of the
excess benefit with respect to an employee for any taxable
period. This is in reference to 1 and to (a) just like it says, it is not the employee who will be taxed it is the provider. The part you posted just explains how much the tax will be, at least that is the way I read it. I will have to do some checking on it.
barsense 1 year ago
Well Barsense... I guess you should say goodbye now... you've been proven a liar for the final time. here is the exact wording from the act. “sec 4960I Excise tax on high Cost employer-sponsored health coverage. (a) imposition of Tax. – if- (1) an employee is covered under any applicable employer sponsored coverage of an employer at any time during a taxable period, and (2) there is an excess benefit with respect to coverage there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 40% of the excess benefit.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand This is a public fourm, barsense dosen't have to go anywhere. When Boss Limpballs tells a lie on his radio program then says he was missinformed do you call him out for lying? I know lying is something that other people do, not conservatives or T-baggers like Christen O'Donnell, she was just misinformed when she listed on her resume that she attended Oxford, she thought the Clairmont Institute was Oxford.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini - No problem... then quit telling me to leave FUCKTARD... You want to bully but you dont want to be bullied, you want to lie but you dont want to be called out on your lies, you want to accuse but you dont want your own accusations to be used against you! so you know what... KEEP FUCKING LYING, because I will keep prointing out your lies!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Your twisted, it must be difficult getting by day to day when reality is so unstable. Your the one who claims to have a monopoly on what is truth. How do expect people to treat you when your act so rude and sling profane insults at everyone who dosnt agree with you? Are you on some holy crusade to defend truth?your confusing me with other commenters, I didn't make all thoes claims regarding donors.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini - you are correct, you didnt make the original claims... but when I corrected the facts you said, "He obviously obtained his information fro Fox Reoublican News Channel. I know Obama set the record for small individual donations" soooo sorry - Bush and Obama had nearly the exact same percentage of small donars (people who donated less than 200 total)
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@SteelMartini - AND YES, actually I am on some crusade to defend the truth. I sincerely dont care if people Love obama, I sincerely dont care if you get a chill up your leg when he speaks, but The LIES are what I have a problem with. Stop posting lies, and I'll stop tearing the lies to pieces!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand A educated person might tell you that lies or truth is relative. On complex policy issues it's extreamly difficult to sort out was is truth or what is a lie because these policies are not black and white, but gray.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini - NOW COME ON... you have got to see the humor in you trying to school me on what "A" educated person would do!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@SteelMartini - but sorry, when baresense says. "Whitehouse says never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act") - that is a very clear easily refutable statement. see healthcare ACT sec 4960I Excise tax on high Cost employer-sponsored health coverage. - making that a clear cut LIE!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand You really do have no conscience or decency about you. You are one of the worst that I have ever seen in the over 2 years that I have been posting on political blog sites.
barsense 1 year ago
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@ITakeAStand 4305. Advancing research and treatment for pain care management.
Sec. 4306. Funding for Childhood Obesity Demonstration Project.
Subtitle E—Miscellaneous Provisions
Sec. 4401. Sense of the Senate concerning CBO scoring.
Sec. 4402. Effectiveness of Federal health and wellness initiatives.
TITLE V—HEALTH CARE WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Purpose and Definitions
Sec. 5001. Purpose.
Sec. 5002. Definitions.
ITakeAStand You would be ashamed if you had any morals lol
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Sec. 4305. Advancing research and treatment for pain care management.
Sec. 4306. Funding for Childhood Obesity Demonstration Project.
Subtitle E—Miscellaneous Provisions
Sec. 4401. Sense of the Senate concerning CBO scoring.
Sec. 4402. Effectiveness of Federal health and wellness initiatives.
TITLE V—HEALTH CARE WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Purpose and Definitions
Sec. 5001. Purpose.
Sec. 5002. Definitions.
barsense 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand Ohhh, that's what the pissing match is about. I still don't get you and other conservatives. If you want to call out lies and defend the truth, why do you affiliate with T-baggers, they are swimming in lies. For example Death Panels, the president is a Muslim and not a citizen, president is a Marxist, socialist. Look St all the contradictions of T-Party candidates.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini GREY??? WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That's the lamest excuse I think I've ever heard! Get outta here with that crap.
dnahulvey 1 year ago
@dnahulvey Just means your not a mature adult yet.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
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@SteelMartini - OH and just a quick reminder of the kind nonbullying freindly post you've called us: "Liars, twisted, stuck on stupid, sociopath ignorant thieving corrupt, right wing blabber mouths, broken disturbed people, crazy, crackpots, communist, fascist, republicans and T-baggers all in the same boat, you look like a child throwing a fit with all these desperate post, deformed goon, mean inhuman creatures, with twisted little limbs and misshapen heads.
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@barsense - hey, have you figured out the difference between 1 & I. just in case you can always remember how to spell IGNORANT. - I'll make a deal with you ... If a High Cost Plan excise tax. (AKA that thing you quoted, “Whitehouse says never has been, and never will be a tax that employees have to pay for their heatlhcare benefits under the Affordable Care Act") isn’t there, I’ll never post on this video again… if it is, then YOU don’t post again… how about that?
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
@ITakeAStand How many more years before you grow up and become a mature adult? You must have had your cookies and milk by now, so isn't it time for your nap? It's difficult to converse with others on this thread due to all your little messes scattered about. If you want to play with the big boys try sticking to facts and act mature, keep the conversation clean.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
@SteelMartini - Hey if you are looking for a "conversation" with somethat drinks up your bullshit lies and your pretend facts then call your mommie. You are on a public forum. YOU KEEP LYING... I'll keep calling you out on it!
ITakeAStand 1 year ago
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