The 2010 lame duck democrats just included legislation that prohibits Obama from closing gitmo. Look it up, you wont find it widely reported in the media.
@motoguzzigriso Not exactly true but it is very very restrictive. On top of that it's most likely unconstitutional and the administration is looking to bypass those restrictions with a signing statement, look it up!
"The message we are sending around the world..." is that this country elected a thin-skinned, empty-suited Chicago thug...equal parts bully and wimp who never held a real job and is by far the most unqualified and unprepared President in at least 150 years.
The 63 million Americans who did not vote for Obama already understood clearly that he should never have been elected in the first place because he's nothing but an ACORN ward healer in a $2,000 suit.
i dont hate obama but this is just retarded. What is he going to do with all these fags? and all the people that think sleep depervation or what they do to them there is unjust well obama is a democrat that thinks abortion is OK killing, thats unjust. or "O THEY DESERVE RIGHTS" well they are trying to kill us and some already have, because they were part of 911 and they arent even US citizens and they say deserve rights?! they dont at all and these fuckers will end up escaping being transfered
yeah, we should release these guys, give them lollipops, and let them play with our children. they are too peaceful to be held in a preson. especially, if they share the same religious believes as our president Mr. Husien. If you just think about it, it makes sense. what would a gangster do if he becomes the president? he would try to release all other gangsters.
I find this funny One mans terrorist is another mans patriot. if someone attacks where you are living will you fight or submit like a sheep? Most of your scum that want to give up your civil liberties for more security are the candy asses of the world and deserve neither freedom or security. I remember when we had three soldier in Iraq at the beginning of the war all of America was up in arms when they thought they were being tortured but as long as its someone else its fine.
Obama is so full of it , he lies tells the public he wants to close GITMO, then fights in court to keep the place open using vague international laws. Have to love democrats they make sweet sounds but its like telling a woman you will respect her in the morning . Who is getting screwed here?? Obama is just like George W Bush when it comes to lying .
Question -- What could these poors slobs know after 6 yrs, since when is it a crime to fight an invader of your country?
As I reflect upon American crimes against humanity today, in places like Gitmo & Abu Ghraib prison, it is no surprise that America is forever destined to carry the sign of Cain for the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings!
The longest America has gone without bombing someone is 2 years; America simply used the Nuremberg show-trials to hide itself in a haze of moral superlatives!
And terrorists in Iraq specifically present special problems--Operational Additional Protocol 1 could arguably classify them as guerrillas, thereby granting them POW status, since they would be "...fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation...in the exercise of their right of self-determination."
No, because Iraq has a government that wants us there for the moment. Terrorists in Iraq that we fight are classified as "anti-Iraqi forces" or AIF. The media reports them incorrectly as "anti-coalition forces." So this does not allow them to be classified as such. That doesn't really matter because detained Iraqis are given to Iraqi authorities who try them, oftentimes calling coalition troops who capture them as witnesses.
The Geneva Conventions doesn't protect illegal combatants any more than it protects nations that didn't sign on to it. If you are of a military from a country that signed and you are fighting just that, then they apply. However, even then, not all rules are abided by. It's all victor's justice.
Obama did sign a memo ordering that Gitmo be closed . . .within 120 days! OBAMA HAS NOT RELEASED ANYONE FROM GITMO AT THIS TIME. They are trying to figure out what to do with these people once they close Gitmo that way they don't have to worry about stuff like this. You DID see an article in the NY Times about someone being released and then going back to terrorism .
I would just support worldwide abortion funding, I'd send them money to do it. Less humans = more often. There's way to many of us and its a royal fucking rat race. Also, if you want a world without abortion, there would need to be a lot less people. As for "king obama", do you really think it would be any different if McSame got elected? you had the most power president in history in office, a bible thumping republican, and abortion is still legal. They just act, and you just follow.
In what sense do you feel Obama should answer for what ACORN did? Give an account for his dealings with them? Sure, and he did. Or did you have punishment in mind; fines or incarceration? Or withdrawing from the campaign? Then you need to establish that Obama at the very least knew about ACORN's voter fraud.
Thank you for making my point for me. What did happen with Obama and ACORN?
We'll never know because he's a liberal. The media didn't touch this story.
If this was a republican, it would STILL be on the news 24/7. We have the most corrupt group running this country right now ever and no one seems to care.
You threw out unsubstantiated BS about the Bush election and said point blank that he "stole it"
I simply want an investigation that this liberal government won't allow.
"We'll never know because he's a liberal. The media didn't touch this story. "
Then how do you even know about it? Obama and his campaign had to answer extensive questions by the media regarding this scandal, and a quick google reveals links to all major newspapers and news stations.
p.s. that was me yo, not gilmaris that said "bush stole" the 2000 election bra.
and yo, after careful introspection my own vestigial partisan motivations (working on it), constitutional dictates regarding the electoral college, failures of florida's election system & the 5-4 bush v gore decision i conclude...
bush "stole" the 2000 election & his presidency though constitutional was politically illegitimate
where i define "stole" as: to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill or deceit.
What a stupid move Barack made here. Anyone that supports this movement is either 1. Stupid or 2. A terrorist. So you have to make up your mind as to which you are.
There is no law that says these detainees have to be moved or tried until after the conflict is over. Well the conflict is still going on. We're a country of laws and Obama needs to abide by them. If we get attacked again Obama needs to be impeached and brought up on charges.
He is a hero, finally US is going to attain to the laws they wager on others. Next step is signing the statue of the Hague International Court and accept their citizens to be tried in that court for their crimes agains humanity and after that, the US will be able to win the battle for Human Rights because they will be finally respecting them and taking them into account. Obama is a Hero
Look "Bra", they're not going to be simply moved. King Obama wants to provide these POW's with constitutional rights. That has never been done before. If they're allowed to be tried in federal court rather than military, they have a much better chance of being set free on a technicality. GET IT? With one swipe of the pen from King Obama he just surrendered to these terrorists. Learn a little...
1. obama's plan doesn't provide "constitutional" rights to foreign nationals - only those found in the geneva convention
2. there are three categories of detainies, (a) those who can be tried in us courts, (b) those who will be imprisoned by their own country and (c) those who will face a military tribunal.
3. ur 3rd point is possible for group (a) only
4. "king obama!?" it was bush who stole an election, shred the constitution & ruled by fiat. get that?
No "Bra" I don't get that. LOL How did Bush steal an election? It's called electoral votes. Look it up it's in the constitution. I'm sure you can find someone to read it to you.
The only thing that you said in that entire post is that they should be given military tribunials. I have no problem with that. But, the moment they set foot in a federal court, King Obama just gave them constitutional rights. For that he is dead wrong.
dex1391: don't forget that the 2000 election hung on the state of Florida & that the race there was decided by the courts. In that case, the election process was definitely tampered with; and the smart thing to have done would have been to hold a new election in Florida so that any doubt about who won could have been set aside. Now, that doubt will divide us, forever.
"A second election is unconstitutional. But you liberals have proved that you don't care about the constitution. "
Making up things is called lying, you know. Should I do like you just did, and say that EVERY conservative is a liar, simply because YOU are? For example the bald-faced lie that Obama wishes to give the (untried) convicts at Gitmo constitutional rights. What rot. At least you seem to concede they are POWs, which is more than Dubya did. That would mean giving them RIGHTS. Shudder.
You're a liar and worse than that you're a moron. I prove you wrong over and over again and you just reply with insults. How typical of a liberal.
I was right with what I said. You didn't debate that you just called me a liar. If they're given federal trials THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!! How hard is that to understand? Why is that so difficult. Military tribunals or nothing. BTY they can LEGALLY be held without trial by rule of the geniva convention until the conflict ends.
yo bra, u r wrong about federal trials being the determinate of constitutional rights
check-it, hamdan v rumsfeld, settled the rights questions for detainees irrespective of where they are in us custody. so closing or opening gitmo is irrelevant
the court held that us power can not exceed the reach of us justice
it's not liberal/conservative-check lindsey graham, john warner, arlene specter & john mccain et al.
& like racism, ur lib/consv crap is dying w/ ur generation. my gen is better bra
"If they're given federal trials THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!"
CIVILIAN prisoners, whether foreign or domestic, are entitled to civilian trials. This is nothing new. POWs are to be tried by military tribunals, but then they have to fulfill the requirements of military combatants. Bush kept them deliberately in limbo, between definitions, so that he could keep them without trial.
As for the right to keep them until the conflict ends, sure. But that requires that the prisoners in question were caught IN that conflict, and not because they were turned in or thought to have some periferal connection to the enemy.
"You threw out unsubstantiated BS about the Bush election and said point blank that he "stole it" "
What are you talking about? This is the first time I am posting here. Take a closer look at the user name: I haven't even mentioned anything about Bush's elections here before.
msnbc & "lol" is the extent of your intellectual refutation bra?
u get ur brains in a box of corn flakes?
refute one, any one of the five previously listed efforts by the bush, cheney, john yoo et al to "vastly expand the powers of the presidency" in their own words and without apology.
bra, u live under a rock? or does your warped vision only allow you to see what supports your flawed ideology?
So where the hell are they going to send all of these terrorists? Their countries will not take them back and those that we have released have gone right back to terrorist activities and have even carried out bombings! The last I heard from the news is that they are still figuring out what to do with them. I hope the media's A.D.D. problem doesn't get in the way of further investigating the outcome of this decision.
They should take all captured terrorist up in a helicopter and push them out one by one until someone wants to talk.....We shouldn't torture terrorist to get info????!!!!!!! Let one of them camel jockey's catch an American over there and they will behead the shit out of em....Wake up OBAMA!!!!!!!
Now that were playing pattycakes with terrorists fully expect events that will make 911 and Mr.Bush seem like the good old days. I would rather see a terrorist choke on a little water then America or anyone else swallow a big nuclear turd.lol
Amazing, Obama is closing Guantanamo, and of course the media is giving him all the credit, and everyone sees him as a righteous man. But what about the rest of our prison camps around the world? Why isnt the media telling people about torture camps like Bagram, in Afghanistan? Obama is EXPANDING this prison from holding 7,000 prisoners to 11,000. Real change....
I actually had a terriost shake my hand this morning..Woooohooo they like us they really like us.Because according to libreals they started hating us when bush got elected.Have these scum bags stay at the white house.They can watch the little girls..Mow the lawn.
I'm all for it too. Close down all POW camps of any kind. Take no prisioners. Shoot them dead where they stand and leave their dead bodies to rot in the sun.
Why pay to keep these ass wipes alive? They throw up a white flag, SHOOT THEM.
Judubeats: Guantanamo only has 250 prisoners. Do you know that there are over 2 million people currently incarcerated in the United States? I don't think they'll have any trouble finding room for 250 more.
Another fact to add to the list. United States of America ranks #1 in world nations with the most people in prisons per capita of people of this nation. So technically, yes, we are still Number 1.
American soldiers risk their lives to capture these scumbags and then their new fuckhead commander in chief lets the motherfuckers go.Dat ain't right.
rw5791: whether or not our soldiers risked their lives to capture people thought to be dangerous isn't the issue. What matters is that after these people were captured our leaders did not adhere to our laws or the international laws we are a party to. How can authorities expect common people to adhere to and be subject to the law if they, themselves, aren't upholding such laws?
Think about criminal law. When the cops screw up investigations, arrests & procedures the charges get dropped.
What do those solders defend? American values? American values like the right to a fair trial and the right to not be tortured? American soldiers did their job, and now finally the leadership is doing theirs. They won't be let go out on the street, they are criminals, but what happened at gitmo is ILLEGAL, and soldiers don't die to defend the acts of criminal leadership like bush.
How the fuck cant u have both safety and freedom? That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Think about it, now that the US isnt going to torture people anymore, do u really think that the terrorists are going to be afraid of being captured? No, they wont because Obama thinks that giving them a warm shower and three meals is the way to get intelligence out of them. and fox news isnt the only news show I watch, its just the only one that isnt liberally biased.
your just a sadistic asshole who's been perverted by the fear based media into thinking that its Ok to give up the values of a nation just because your ready to shit your pants. Safe societies require regulations up the ass to be safe, hence not free. Free societies let people do whatever they want, hence not safe. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin franklin, one of YOUR founding fathers.
The thing you are forgeting is that these people are terrorists. They are not American citizens therefore they do not deserve American rights. Do you honestly believe that if you were captured by these same men that they wouldnt torture you? Also you still havent given an alternative to torture, so tell me how would you go about getting intelligence from an enemy? ask them please? Torture is necessary.
Would you listen to yourself? Just because they would torture our people, does that give us the right to sink to their level?! Hell no. Prosecute them fine, but stick to the geneva convention! Torture is illegal not just in our country, but most of the world. If you want to torture people, then you are no better than a terrorist yourself.
I'm actually split on this particular issue. Part of me is for it, and on the other hand part of me is against it. The reason why I am against it is that it is an unreliable method of extracting information. Even though the individual speaks, how do you really know its actually the truth? What if a person actually is innocent, but there is circumstancial evidence that seems to say otherwise. So you would torture just to make sure. And if your wrong, you just beat an innocent person.
UglyS17ck: torturing the enemy's troops for information is inhumane and a waste of time. Most of them are common people who were tricked into fighting through lies based on religious superstitions. They don't know anything useful. Besides that, with our advanced technology & intelligence capabilities we already know everything they might know, anyway.
Do you think if they captured & tortured any of our troops they'd gain useful information concerning our Pentagon or government? Absolutely not
Not to mention such information can't be taken seriously. Let's face it, if someone is causing you pain and torturing you, you will end up saying anything the torturer wants you to say just to make them stop. It is inhumane and pointless.
News flash, not American doesn't equal not human. If we're all gonna stop acting like cave men, the ones in the better position have to take the lead. Eye for an eye is biblical bullshit that should stay in the past where it belongs. Those people would not just torture me, they would kill me, but that doesn't mean I should turn around and torture and kill them. Terrorists forsake their humanity to harm others, I refuse to sink down to their level.
Well we do need to rid the world of terrorists, they're not going to just suddenly have a change of heart. They are out of total domination of the West. It is war folks, quit being pussies. If you want to survive you have to do what is necessary.
stabcat2: Terrorist are out for total domination of the West? Are you paying attention, at all? Who is dominating whom? Who has always dominated whom?
If you don't think it's about oil then you're a fool who believes anything the GOP & the sociopathic corporations they represent want you to believe.
Do yourself a favor. Do some homework. Bush 1 took us into war with Iraq as a warning because they wanted to unhinge the sale of their oil from the U.S. dollar. The rest has been smoke & mirrors.
Are YOU paying attention? The last I checked there was a 9/11, there were attacks on the trains in Madrid, and have been countless terrorist bombings around the world since. I'm not an idiot, Iraq should never have happened, this is about sending terrorists back to thier home to start plotting attacks right back at us again. Go ahead and step in front of a moving vehicle with Xahryn if you feel sending these terrorists back, because you're worthless too if that's the case.
yeah, it has nothing to do with the CIA assassinating the democratically elected leader of iran.. or building US military basses on their holy land... or invading their country, bombing civilians and calling it "collateral damage". Leaving hundreds of thousands of families without brothers, mother and children as we have done in the name of "self defense". Terrorism only works when it turns people into spineless cowards, where you think that killing becomes your only option, you become like them
So you're ok with them going back to thier countries and plotting more terrorist attacks? Why don't you just go run out in front of a moving car you worthless liberal.
Like I have said before multiple times what is the alternative to torture? Im sure you won't give me an answer because there isnt one. So I guess whenever we find a terrorist with a bomb strapped to him we can just bring him back to America where he can plead he's insane and get off on a lighter charge, that sounds like real justice. According to weird fucking liberals like you.
"So I guess whenever we find a terrorist with a bomb strapped to him"
Something which has not happened to date. All prisoners at Gitmo were SUSPECTS. None of them were caught with bombs strapped to their chests.
As for an alternative to torture... are you for real? People will confess to anything under torture, real or imagined. Torture has a lousy track record for providing accurate information. You really aren't the sort of person to learn from history, are you?
Precisely. The most compromising and accurate information extracted from POWs usually occurs under very friendly and hospitable conditions. Germans in WWII obtained their best intelligence by outstanding treatment of POWs.
Furthermore, let's not forget those people detained in Guantanamo who are not only non-combatants, but natural-born US citizens deserving of routine civil or criminal proceedings in the US. Case in point: Jose Padilla, and there may be others.
Jose Padilla? That sounds like what I ate for lunch. Anyways, Obama is going to liquidate the camp the same way the Gestapo did. All of you hippies are retarded. Closing GITMO doesn't mean these people are released, and therefore DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. Hahaha. You think we're going to stop torturing sand people? We're just going to stop admitting it, cuz you idiots only found out when you were told. Fucking morons. GITMO prisoners were treated lavishly, and I doubt they want a different camp.
Jose Padilla, American-born man accused of aiding al-Qaeda, also connected to Timothy McVeigh. Executive order of George W. Bush had him declared an "illegal enemy combatant" and detained indefinitely
He was finally released from Gitmo for proper criminal proceedings just over three years ago.
I suppose you have all the answers, hm? You seem pretty sure that Gitmo's being liquidated. But since the POTUS can arbitrarily declare you an enemy combatant, maybe you'd like a "lavish" Gitmo stay.
Well, glad that's worked for you so far. Just remember that there's more to "terrorism" anymore than hijacking commercial airliners or strapping dynamite to one's self.
Just remember, the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force empowers to President to declare anyone, anywhere, for any reason an "illegal enemy combatant" and strip you of your right to Due Process.
So, in order to keep up your strategy, you should hope that the official interpretation of "terrorism" narrows no further.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who works on a modest government salary out of service to our freedom is going to go out of their way to come get me.
They'll kill you before they kill me, and I'm pretty cool with that.
I found it hard to believe that anyone who swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States would vote in favor of the Patriot Act. What's your point?
Likewise, they have no reason to bust down my door, since I'm neither adhering to an enemy's cause nor giving them aid and comfort--as much as you'd like to believe otherwise.
Those in service to our freedom should know that I do have inalienable rights. And even terrorists are innocent until proven guilty.
So there you go: don't involve yourself in terrorist activity, and you don't need to be afraid of being locked up in a secret prison. Pretty easy.
How do you figure a terrorist has rights? They are engaged in war. When you nab some jackass on a battlefield, you don't read them Mirandas. Do you think the millions of German POWs we took in WWII ever got a trial? Most were simply released later on after the war was long declared over. Battlefields demand more expediency than courts provide.
They are entitled to be tried in military tribunals in accordance with international law. If they are US Citizens, they have the right of due process, period.
Internet tough-guy-ism doesn't have any place in this argument. I doubt you'd enjoy torture in any form, and when you finally "break," you'd simply parrot whatever your interrogators wanted to hear.
Of course, everyone deserves it, since it's not so bad, after a strip-search. If innocent, we apologize and send them on their way, yes?
Under international law they aren't entitled to anything but a bullet in the head. If you are fighting on a battlefield without a uniform, you are an illegal combatant and can be summarily executed. I just said that I wouldn't enjoy torture, but I would still try it.
We don't have time to torture everyone, only the big shots. You don't earn a trip to GITMO if you're just a shooter. Although you might have to deal with those redneck reservists at Abu Ghraib, which I think is unfortunate.
If they're fighting, yes, one can riddle 'em with lead in order to defend themselves or as mission dictates.
However, the moment they lay down arms, or are captured, the Geneva Conventions disagree with you. Detainees are treated as POWs until evaluated by tribunal, and should they be classified "unlawful combatants," can then be dealt with at the discretion of their captors.
And yes, we are subject to them, as they were ratified by Congress.
Yes, but you're not required to detain them at all. For instance, it is perfectly legal to execute a spy on the spot.
Geneva Conventions are old hat anyways. No one has ever abided by them, and you're only subject to them once you lose a war. I figure that since there is no possibility of anyone taking over our country, we ought to just wipe our noses with them. If we had common sense, tribunals would have briskly sentenced everyone in GITMO to the gallows. It would save time and money.
Additionally, even unlawful combatants are treated in accordance with Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which states:
"Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely..."
Seems pretty simple. But there's nothing so simple it can't be misunderstood.
Notice where you said "members of armed forces"? A terrorist, as an ideological foe, is always taking part in the hostilities. These articles are too cumbersome to even apply to 21st century battlefields.
In case you forgot, terrorism as we know it isn't new to this century.
Even a revision to reflect ideological hostilities would change nothing--the subjective nature of such a distinction could easily apply to nations at war. As such, the interpretation of the "armed forces" term in article 3, since it applies to irregulars, is inclusive of terrorists.
And yes, if they're not resisting, it IS required to detain them. Also, a spy is less likely to be executed at all, given the possible intel.
Terrorism nowadays is completely different. While Al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Taliban behave in the style of partisans, the scale of global terrorism is completely off the charts of anything seen even in the first half of the 20th century. GITMO is for global players, not irregulars.
Yes, you usually want to keep them alive, but not always. Established precedent would suggest that it's not required to detain them.
Clearly, you weren't alive in the 70's. Al-Qaeda's just a slightly bigger fish.
But you are right. Terrorists as they exist today suffer from a classification problem that makes dealing with them obviously problematic. Nevertheless, there ARE US citizens detained in Gitmo, who are entitled to due process of law, any which way you slice it. It's the foreigners who present problems.
Precedent perhaps, but that ain't how it's written. Naturally, it's not realistically enforceable.
I was not alive, but I did say the first half of the 20th century.
Yes, a US citizen should be treated as such. Certainly, they have rights. Though, one might not want to be tried like that as treason makes your charges much more serious, I would imagine. I am not familiar with US citizens detained in GITMO, which does not seem right. I'm not familiar with Jose Padilla, but it would seem like the government could be overstepping their boundaries. I will look into that.
The one problem I have with your statement is that you seem to think that only United State citizens should be the only people who have rights. As far as the constitution states, all men are credited equal. I think that shouldn't be just a concept for a country, but for the world.
Actually there is an alternative to torture, which is simply interrogation without torture. American soldiers used this method in World War II, extracting useful information from German and Japanese POWs without torture, even though the Japanese were torturing American troops with such methods as waterboarding. Besides, torture generally reveals less accurate information.
It's fun when there's an answer to a stupid rhetorical question, isn't it?
You think the Japs really dicked around with such a humane practice like pussy "waterboarding"? Ha! Don't ever pick up a gun, chief, you'd never last.
The Japanese did use waterboarding in WWII on Americans and were prosecuted for war crimes for it at the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans"
-John McCain
"I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure."
Yeah, SEVERAL types of torture. Waterboarding would definitely be the pussiest. I would be willing to get waterboarded just for the experience, it would be adventurous. If I was going to face torture, give me waterboarding. I wouldn't tell shit neither. Now maybe after something involving permanent mutilation, I might start to break.
Simple battery may be the "pussiest" form of physical assault, and chlorine gas may be the "pussiest" form of chemical weaponry, but both harm people and (thankfully) legal opinion is not determined from such logic or the masochistic inclinations of a few.
Waterboarding is torture. Even if for some reason you'd enjoy the sensation of drowning (I'd bet you wouldn't), that is utterly irrelevant to what should be done policy wise.
p.s. anonymous tough talk on the internet sure is cheap...
What is so tough about willing to be waterboarded? I don't think I would enoy it either, but I would only come out of the experience stronger. By your definition, making terrorists do push-ups would be torture. We should make them do it, just to hear the hilarious hippie protests of "PUSH-UPS ARE TORTURE!" Funny you mention chlorine gas, because last time I went to Iraq, the knuckleheads were adding it to their suicide vehicles. Al-Qaeda apparently didn't get the word of the legal opinion!
"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin. There is nothing more I hate than a Liberal, but a close second are the people at Fox. Those people like to call themselves Republicans and claim to be conservative. BULL SHIT, they are just the liberal version of conservatives called NEOCONS. If we would have listened to people like George Washington, and not get involved in foreign affairs, we wouldnt be where we are today.
BoundariesOverthrown: do you really think it's all that simple? Do you honestly think that labels like liberal, conservative, neocon or whatever matter? All that political bull is nothing but smoke & mirrors designed to distract the average person from thinking clearly about what's really going on. It's a game designed to divide & conquer us.
We are experiencing the subtle but hostile take over by the world's corporations, & our so-called representatives (from every party) are in collusion.
I do agree with you that these labels are all bull, but I do believe they are necessary to distinguish between those that are uninformed from those that know what they are talking about. I like to think of myself Independent, rather than a Republican or Democrat because both parties are leading us down the same path. However, my values are conservative, and I believe those that are true conservatives are able to think on their own and see through the bull shit fed to us on a daily basis.
Choose? freedom or safety? You CANNOT, have both. those people will not be released, because they are criminals and you are being paranoid. Stop watching fox noise and grow up.
I just figured an avid reader such as yourself would write more intelligently. I just don't think your comments are useful or impressive in the slightest. You wrote CUNT 3 times. Seriously. Grow up.
He's just trying to shut the hippies up. It's going to be fun to watch this guy trade his integrity for the support of marxist radicals. In a few months, even he won't know what he stands for. At least then he'll have something in common with us.
I love this. America cannot compromise it's ideals in response to terrorists. We should set the standard for human rights, not lower it with torture and denial of habeas corpus. Right to defend yourself and to a speedy, fair trial is a basic human right. I dont care what label that human has been assigned. How do we know if it's an accurate one if he is locked away in a prison camp with no trial?
Dont allow a lessening of human rights for others unless you want it for yourself too.
The terrorists will be held in New York (in the case of the man who planned 9/11 and will now not be tried for it, but rather the lesser offense of the first WTC bombing while Clinton was president), and then others will go to places like Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. Won't it be great to have terrorists on US Soil, where it will be far easier for a terrorist organization to hold a shopping mall hostage for their release. You see... from GTMO, there's really no where to go... minefield or ocean.
They would have to be completely segregated from regular population. They would most likely be held in a government facility specially designated to house only those from Gitmo or other suspected anti-American extremists. They would actually be safer within our borders than they are at Gitmo. It would probably lessen the likelyhood of escape, too.
NickAdvent, Not everyone is on welfare and living in a trailer home, many have family to care for, it is called responsibility. Sitting on our ass making video to see if anyone watches does not pay the bills.
umm thats good to hear. dont really know why youre telling me this. im guessing you think i took my precious time to read the arguments, which i didnt.
You made a comment and I replied to you. Perhaps you should not post to anyone if you dont know what you are talking about or remember why you commented.
Seanamico, republicans need to stop thinking that working for THEIR families to eat allows them some sort of moral high ground. Americans work to feed their families every fucking day and don't bitch about it nearly as much as douche bags like you do. Welfare is intended to provide service for people who lose their jobs/can't work for whatever reason. You'd probably rather see children starving in the ghetto than give a dime of your "hard earned" money to make that happen. Fuck you, asshole.
Shannon, what would a 21 year old CUNT like you know about work and taking care of a family? You probably are on welfare bitch & live off of others. Welfare is to help not for scum like you that probably abuse and many others that are waiting for this putz to give them money for nothing, so they can sit around & pump out kids so they can collect more money. You dont know me CUNT, I give and help far more than you make. I dont fuck CUNTS scum.
Okay, so evidently, you are a man with some really creative insults. I work 6 days a week with children that have autism. I have two jobs. I am in school full time. I am also interning for a best-selling author on the side. I agree, you probably do make more money than I do. I can guarantee, however, that you sit on your ass and complain way more than I do. You seem ill-educated and pathetic. Whatever. "Helping" for you would be picking up a book and reading it.
So you like to insult but not be insulted, is that how it works in your world. I am educated enough to make very good money and not sit and judge people I dont know but when you trash talk to me and i have never said any thing to you then you deserve it. I am a very happy go lucky person another of your assumptions & like an asshole that everyone has you think yours does not stink.
I have over 900 books in my library that I have read, how about you?
GITMO was always a HUGE waste of money, Holding people there without charge, without prosecution, without dispatching them and sending their azzes to Jail to serve life sentences, executions, or just the deporting specific sheep herders swept up in the arrest raids has been a GIGANTIC flop by the Bush admin.
wasnt that a documentry called "how i planned to kill tony blair" they accused the brothers of plotting and put them in prison and tortured them for years before finally setting them free
The U.S. should have been able to figure out in the last five or so years which of the detainees are real threats and which one's that are no threat. Those who are no real threat should be released to their homeland under the eye of their home government. Those who have been deemed a threat to the U.S. should be held and tried within our borders and within our constitutional justice system. It's not like Obama is just going to let every asshole go free just like that.
Lets just say hypothetically there is another terrorist attack on American Soil. Potentially caused by one of the 60 men who already have be released and gone back to there jihad ways or one soon to be released. Will this still be Bush's fault? or will it be the Almighty's fault? I figured it would be racist to say it was Obamas fault but I could be wrong! All this does is show the World Obama has nothing to stand up to. "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything"
Given that there were several men imprisoned and beaten who were later found innocent, I can't imagine how anyone would be surprised to find one or more of these men might hold a certain GRUDGE against the country that kidnapped them off the streets and tortured them without just cause. If a country was doing that to Americans, we'd be calling for war. But it's okay as long as the bag pulled over their head has stars and stripes on it? What a disgusting disregard for our American ideals you have
yeah right,the democrat congress is a waste of our taxes too,they do nothing but being a group of socialist ,amarica haters,they have to be move to the united nations building house of the united states haters.
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this guy,with all the problems we are facing the economic,the house disaster ,his first priority is the terrorist in guantanamo and their rights,it has nothing to do in what he said there will be his priorities when he get to the white house.i think the happiest guy in the world today is lois farrakan.
Yeah, I HATE it when a president lives up to the standards we say we uphold in our constitution. You're right, he definitely could have fixed the economy in one day and therefor this has taken up time that would have solved every other problem we currently face. What an ass!
thank you for replying my comment,the best part of all this is that they don"t even know where are they gonna relocate all those terrorists,maybe his planning a bail out for those who wants them.
"terrorists" in guantanamo? The fact is that these are people accused of being terrorists without the benefit of proof. Some are undoubtedly guilty, but the burden of proof is on the accuser. Let's say some foreign power locked you up without a trial. Whether you were guilty of their accusations or not it's their job to prove your guilt, not yours to prove your innocence.
And why a year? Oh, so they have time to construct or move everything to another location. Nothing will change. How about undoing Bushes executive orders that stole our rights? How about putting a stop to the Iraq war? How about the easiest thing you could do Mr President, Listen to Ron Paul!!! When Obama starts doing these things I will start to trust him. Maybe, I'm vary Bushed, it will take allot more then "Yes We Can" to pry Bush roots from my brain... I stand waiting........................
It was in an old TPMTV, where Biden and a Republican Senator just got back from a trip to the middle east.
They said they now now have a chance to pull out of Iraq. (I tried to find the clip, but failed, I'm unsure of the exact words the Senator used.) then they announced 35,000 more troops to Afghanistan (But I have not seen anyone in the news talking about that either.) and that they wanted to give aid to Pakistan.
Apart from dumping the PATRIOT act I also expect signing Kyoto, killing off the creationists :) and a universal healthcare system :) there's time for that...
WOw! health care would be so good for the USA! Wow I can only imagine! I'm up in Canada and health care rocks so hard! I'm so proud to have that system and I hope one day Americans can experience the amazing feeling that is free universal health care!
Torture is nothing more than an excuse to exercise sadism, as long as you understand that a lot of these people DON'T KNOW the answers to the questions these people ask, but will say anything if the torture is bad enough.
And if it's not that bad-then why would someone want to divulge anything? If Im the type of guy who blows myself up and shoots at tanks with AK's, I think you'd have to beat my ass really bad but probably just kidnap family members. Jihad is Jihad you know.
"The Obama administration reversed itself and began to move on military trials of Guantanamo detainees." --news headline of March 7, 2011
hookalakah 10 months ago
The 2010 lame duck democrats just included legislation that prohibits Obama from closing gitmo. Look it up, you wont find it widely reported in the media.
motoguzzigriso 1 year ago
@motoguzzigriso Not exactly true but it is very very restrictive. On top of that it's most likely unconstitutional and the administration is looking to bypass those restrictions with a signing statement, look it up!
micesy 1 year ago
"The message we are sending around the world..." is that this country elected a thin-skinned, empty-suited Chicago thug...equal parts bully and wimp who never held a real job and is by far the most unqualified and unprepared President in at least 150 years.
The 63 million Americans who did not vote for Obama already understood clearly that he should never have been elected in the first place because he's nothing but an ACORN ward healer in a $2,000 suit.
2012 cannot come soon enough.
spwb2k 2 years ago
i dont hate obama but this is just retarded. What is he going to do with all these fags? and all the people that think sleep depervation or what they do to them there is unjust well obama is a democrat that thinks abortion is OK killing, thats unjust. or "O THEY DESERVE RIGHTS" well they are trying to kill us and some already have, because they were part of 911 and they arent even US citizens and they say deserve rights?! they dont at all and these fuckers will end up escaping being transfered
tacoguy999 2 years ago
yeah, we should release these guys, give them lollipops, and let them play with our children. they are too peaceful to be held in a preson. especially, if they share the same religious believes as our president Mr. Husien. If you just think about it, it makes sense. what would a gangster do if he becomes the president? he would try to release all other gangsters.
mnb888mnb 2 years ago
watch the stocks on the right, a lot of the bush admin. in this one.
hugeturdman 2 years ago
I find this funny One mans terrorist is another mans patriot. if someone attacks where you are living will you fight or submit like a sheep? Most of your scum that want to give up your civil liberties for more security are the candy asses of the world and deserve neither freedom or security. I remember when we had three soldier in Iraq at the beginning of the war all of America was up in arms when they thought they were being tortured but as long as its someone else its fine.
Grandus11 2 years ago
Obama is so full of it , he lies tells the public he wants to close GITMO, then fights in court to keep the place open using vague international laws. Have to love democrats they make sweet sounds but its like telling a woman you will respect her in the morning . Who is getting screwed here?? Obama is just like George W Bush when it comes to lying .
Question -- What could these poors slobs know after 6 yrs, since when is it a crime to fight an invader of your country?
Grandus11 2 years ago
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As I reflect upon American crimes against humanity today, in places like Gitmo & Abu Ghraib prison, it is no surprise that America is forever destined to carry the sign of Cain for the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings!
The longest America has gone without bombing someone is 2 years; America simply used the Nuremberg show-trials to hide itself in a haze of moral superlatives!
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
And terrorists in Iraq specifically present special problems--Operational Additional Protocol 1 could arguably classify them as guerrillas, thereby granting them POW status, since they would be "...fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation...in the exercise of their right of self-determination."
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
No, because Iraq has a government that wants us there for the moment. Terrorists in Iraq that we fight are classified as "anti-Iraqi forces" or AIF. The media reports them incorrectly as "anti-coalition forces." So this does not allow them to be classified as such. That doesn't really matter because detained Iraqis are given to Iraqi authorities who try them, oftentimes calling coalition troops who capture them as witnesses.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
The Geneva Conventions doesn't protect illegal combatants any more than it protects nations that didn't sign on to it. If you are of a military from a country that signed and you are fighting just that, then they apply. However, even then, not all rules are abided by. It's all victor's justice.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Obama did sign a memo ordering that Gitmo be closed . . .within 120 days! OBAMA HAS NOT RELEASED ANYONE FROM GITMO AT THIS TIME. They are trying to figure out what to do with these people once they close Gitmo that way they don't have to worry about stuff like this. You DID see an article in the NY Times about someone being released and then going back to terrorism .
sixletter 3 years ago
Here's a list for you
Why didn't King Obama have to answer questions about these things?
1. Bill Ayers
2. Rev. Jeremiah Wright
3. His birth certificate
4. Constitutional rights for terrorists
5. Worldwide abortion funding
Don't reply with a bash on President Bush... That's just stupid. Actually try to defend not these actions but why he gets a free pass.
Would a republican got by with his past?
If President Bush's reverend said "God Damn America" would HE have gotten a free pass?
dex1391 3 years ago
omg, your a right-wing crazy?
are you that guy that wanders the streets at 3am yelling at the street signs?
the country heard each and every one of your five points of non-sense in the longest presidential campaign in history yo?
& the country didn't buy any of it. why? because it was all crazy talk, guilt by association - we're smarter now.
ur just a bitter, angry, divisive partisan right-winger whose putrid us-vs-them ideology finally made the country gag.
now my generation gets a shot.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago 2
I would just support worldwide abortion funding, I'd send them money to do it. Less humans = more often. There's way to many of us and its a royal fucking rat race. Also, if you want a world without abortion, there would need to be a lot less people. As for "king obama", do you really think it would be any different if McSame got elected? you had the most power president in history in office, a bible thumping republican, and abortion is still legal. They just act, and you just follow.
Xakryn 3 years ago 4
"But did Obama have to answer for that? Hell no!"
In what sense do you feel Obama should answer for what ACORN did? Give an account for his dealings with them? Sure, and he did. Or did you have punishment in mind; fines or incarceration? Or withdrawing from the campaign? Then you need to establish that Obama at the very least knew about ACORN's voter fraud.
Gilmaris 3 years ago
Thank you for making my point for me. What did happen with Obama and ACORN?
We'll never know because he's a liberal. The media didn't touch this story.
If this was a republican, it would STILL be on the news 24/7. We have the most corrupt group running this country right now ever and no one seems to care.
You threw out unsubstantiated BS about the Bush election and said point blank that he "stole it"
I simply want an investigation that this liberal government won't allow.
dex1391 3 years ago
"We'll never know because he's a liberal. The media didn't touch this story. "
Then how do you even know about it? Obama and his campaign had to answer extensive questions by the media regarding this scandal, and a quick google reveals links to all major newspapers and news stations.
Gilmaris 3 years ago
dex1391:"media didn't touch this story"
whoa bra! how does the world look from inside that reality warping, "ann-coulter," crazy bubble?
what about fox & cnn who not only "touched this story," but
(a) bought it dinner, took it home
(b) locked it in a room &
(c) banged it live on webcam 24/7
while ignoring republican efforts 2 suppress turn-out (fox)
check-it, the media did tell ur stories, but the country gagged on ur smear-by-assoc, rove-style crap & went for obama
real america's back yo!
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
p.s. that was me yo, not gilmaris that said "bush stole" the 2000 election bra.
and yo, after careful introspection my own vestigial partisan motivations (working on it), constitutional dictates regarding the electoral college, failures of florida's election system & the 5-4 bush v gore decision i conclude...
bush "stole" the 2000 election & his presidency though constitutional was politically illegitimate
where i define "stole" as: to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill or deceit.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
consistent with our values and ideals?
I mean, I like Obama too...
...but cutting heads off of people while they are still alive and running planes into buildings is not really our ideals..ya know?
prisoners are going to injury them very greatly every single day.. I don't suspect them lasting more than a week in the American prisoner population.
PatRick4001 3 years ago
What a stupid move Barack made here. Anyone that supports this movement is either 1. Stupid or 2. A terrorist. So you have to make up your mind as to which you are.
There is no law that says these detainees have to be moved or tried until after the conflict is over. Well the conflict is still going on. We're a country of laws and Obama needs to abide by them. If we get attacked again Obama needs to be impeached and brought up on charges.
dex1391 3 years ago
He is a hero, finally US is going to attain to the laws they wager on others. Next step is signing the statue of the Hague International Court and accept their citizens to be tried in that court for their crimes agains humanity and after that, the US will be able to win the battle for Human Rights because they will be finally respecting them and taking them into account. Obama is a Hero
Jiraiya8333 3 years ago
yo dex1391,
do u have an actual point as to why "movement" is stupid or are all stupid or terrorist for disagreeing with u - the fount of all knowledge & wisdom?
check-it, all i u said was that "there is no law..." well, we'll make one. solved.
do you have any other argument bra or is the limit of ur game false choices and logical fallacies yo?
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
Look "Bra", they're not going to be simply moved. King Obama wants to provide these POW's with constitutional rights. That has never been done before. If they're allowed to be tried in federal court rather than military, they have a much better chance of being set free on a technicality. GET IT? With one swipe of the pen from King Obama he just surrendered to these terrorists. Learn a little...
dex1391 3 years ago
yo, let me help with some facts:
1. obama's plan doesn't provide "constitutional" rights to foreign nationals - only those found in the geneva convention
2. there are three categories of detainies, (a) those who can be tried in us courts, (b) those who will be imprisoned by their own country and (c) those who will face a military tribunal.
3. ur 3rd point is possible for group (a) only
4. "king obama!?" it was bush who stole an election, shred the constitution & ruled by fiat. get that?
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
No "Bra" I don't get that. LOL How did Bush steal an election? It's called electoral votes. Look it up it's in the constitution. I'm sure you can find someone to read it to you.
The only thing that you said in that entire post is that they should be given military tribunials. I have no problem with that. But, the moment they set foot in a federal court, King Obama just gave them constitutional rights. For that he is dead wrong.
dex1391 3 years ago
dex1391: don't forget that the 2000 election hung on the state of Florida & that the race there was decided by the courts. In that case, the election process was definitely tampered with; and the smart thing to have done would have been to hold a new election in Florida so that any doubt about who won could have been set aside. Now, that doubt will divide us, forever.
FriedDaisy 3 years ago
Bush won Florida. A recount was asked for and he won the state. The courts simply upheld that decision.
A second election is unconstitutional. But you liberals have proved that you don't care about the constitution.
You also buried the ACORN scandle in Ohio. There was ACTUAL proof of voter fraud there. But did Obama have to answer for that? Hell no!
dex1391 3 years ago
"A second election is unconstitutional. But you liberals have proved that you don't care about the constitution. "
Making up things is called lying, you know. Should I do like you just did, and say that EVERY conservative is a liar, simply because YOU are? For example the bald-faced lie that Obama wishes to give the (untried) convicts at Gitmo constitutional rights. What rot. At least you seem to concede they are POWs, which is more than Dubya did. That would mean giving them RIGHTS. Shudder.
Gilmaris 3 years ago
You're a liar and worse than that you're a moron. I prove you wrong over and over again and you just reply with insults. How typical of a liberal.
I was right with what I said. You didn't debate that you just called me a liar. If they're given federal trials THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!! How hard is that to understand? Why is that so difficult. Military tribunals or nothing. BTY they can LEGALLY be held without trial by rule of the geniva convention until the conflict ends.
dex1391 3 years ago
yo bra, u r wrong about federal trials being the determinate of constitutional rights
check-it, hamdan v rumsfeld, settled the rights questions for detainees irrespective of where they are in us custody. so closing or opening gitmo is irrelevant
the court held that us power can not exceed the reach of us justice
it's not liberal/conservative-check lindsey graham, john warner, arlene specter & john mccain et al.
& like racism, ur lib/consv crap is dying w/ ur generation. my gen is better bra
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
"If they're given federal trials THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!"
CIVILIAN prisoners, whether foreign or domestic, are entitled to civilian trials. This is nothing new. POWs are to be tried by military tribunals, but then they have to fulfill the requirements of military combatants. Bush kept them deliberately in limbo, between definitions, so that he could keep them without trial.
Gilmaris 3 years ago
As for the right to keep them until the conflict ends, sure. But that requires that the prisoners in question were caught IN that conflict, and not because they were turned in or thought to have some periferal connection to the enemy.
Gilmaris 3 years ago
As for this:
"I prove you wrong over and over again"
And this:
"You threw out unsubstantiated BS about the Bush election and said point blank that he "stole it" "
What are you talking about? This is the first time I am posting here. Take a closer look at the user name: I haven't even mentioned anything about Bush's elections here before.
Gilmaris 3 years ago
really? wait... electoral votes? that's ur answer? seriously bra?
that justifies ur deleterious "king obama" while bush tried to
(a) create the unitary executive,
(b) obviate balance of powers,
(c) eviscerate posse comitatus &
(d) suspend habeas corpus
under the guise of war powers?
& obama's "king?" how do u get through a door with sight that warped?
i guess fanatics come in home grown & foreign flavors
wow! at least u got that bill o'reilly crazy, smug, old-man bloviating thing down
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
How much left-wing television do you watch? You people are a broken record. You have any proof at all of any of these STUPID allegations?
No... Didn't think so. Do you just TIVO MSNBC so that you can regurgitate their talking points?
It's funny how when the liberals questioned President Bush it was "patriotic"
And when someone criticizes King Obama they're anti-American.
Anyone else see something wrong with this?
dex1391 3 years ago
ur awesome! r u really that warped?
msnbc & "lol" is the extent of your intellectual refutation bra?
u get ur brains in a box of corn flakes?
refute one, any one of the five previously listed efforts by the bush, cheney, john yoo et al to "vastly expand the powers of the presidency" in their own words and without apology.
bra, u live under a rock? or does your warped vision only allow you to see what supports your flawed ideology?
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
So where the hell are they going to send all of these terrorists? Their countries will not take them back and those that we have released have gone right back to terrorist activities and have even carried out bombings! The last I heard from the news is that they are still figuring out what to do with them. I hope the media's A.D.D. problem doesn't get in the way of further investigating the outcome of this decision.
stabcat2 3 years ago
They should take all captured terrorist up in a helicopter and push them out one by one until someone wants to talk.....We shouldn't torture terrorist to get info????!!!!!!! Let one of them camel jockey's catch an American over there and they will behead the shit out of em....Wake up OBAMA!!!!!!!
JustinLA12 3 years ago
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Now that were playing pattycakes with terrorists fully expect events that will make 911 and Mr.Bush seem like the good old days. I would rather see a terrorist choke on a little water then America or anyone else swallow a big nuclear turd.lol
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betty2166323 3 years ago
Amazing, Obama is closing Guantanamo, and of course the media is giving him all the credit, and everyone sees him as a righteous man. But what about the rest of our prison camps around the world? Why isnt the media telling people about torture camps like Bagram, in Afghanistan? Obama is EXPANDING this prison from holding 7,000 prisoners to 11,000. Real change....
BoundariesOverthrown 3 years ago
GOD BLESS You NICK 1472. We need more people like you to speak up and reveal the truth.
basharcali 3 years ago 3
I actually had a terriost shake my hand this morning..Woooohooo they like us they really like us.Because according to libreals they started hating us when bush got elected.Have these scum bags stay at the white house.They can watch the little girls..Mow the lawn.
jmo18799 3 years ago
I'm all for it too. Close down all POW camps of any kind. Take no prisioners. Shoot them dead where they stand and leave their dead bodies to rot in the sun.
Why pay to keep these ass wipes alive? They throw up a white flag, SHOOT THEM.
That's called, "EASY PICKINS"
ANGLEBOOT 3 years ago
Why not close it before?
Peopleparasites 3 years ago 2
What the fuck! Where are they going to put them all?
Jdubeats 3 years ago
And I'm not being a jerk or anything about Obama I just want to know,.
Jdubeats 3 years ago
Judubeats: Guantanamo only has 250 prisoners. Do you know that there are over 2 million people currently incarcerated in the United States? I don't think they'll have any trouble finding room for 250 more.
FriedDaisy 3 years ago
So they're just transferring them to different places within the united states?
Jdubeats 3 years ago
Another fact to add to the list. United States of America ranks #1 in world nations with the most people in prisons per capita of people of this nation. So technically, yes, we are still Number 1.
plord28 3 years ago
gudd job obama aginst fuckn bush illgal authority
khan2004usa 3 years ago
American soldiers risk their lives to capture these scumbags and then their new fuckhead commander in chief lets the motherfuckers go.Dat ain't right.
rw5791 3 years ago
rw5791: whether or not our soldiers risked their lives to capture people thought to be dangerous isn't the issue. What matters is that after these people were captured our leaders did not adhere to our laws or the international laws we are a party to. How can authorities expect common people to adhere to and be subject to the law if they, themselves, aren't upholding such laws?
Think about criminal law. When the cops screw up investigations, arrests & procedures the charges get dropped.
FriedDaisy 3 years ago 2
What do those solders defend? American values? American values like the right to a fair trial and the right to not be tortured? American soldiers did their job, and now finally the leadership is doing theirs. They won't be let go out on the street, they are criminals, but what happened at gitmo is ILLEGAL, and soldiers don't die to defend the acts of criminal leadership like bush.
Xakryn 3 years ago
How the fuck cant u have both safety and freedom? That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Think about it, now that the US isnt going to torture people anymore, do u really think that the terrorists are going to be afraid of being captured? No, they wont because Obama thinks that giving them a warm shower and three meals is the way to get intelligence out of them. and fox news isnt the only news show I watch, its just the only one that isnt liberally biased.
UglyS71ck 3 years ago
your just a sadistic asshole who's been perverted by the fear based media into thinking that its Ok to give up the values of a nation just because your ready to shit your pants. Safe societies require regulations up the ass to be safe, hence not free. Free societies let people do whatever they want, hence not safe. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin franklin, one of YOUR founding fathers.
Xakryn 3 years ago
The thing you are forgeting is that these people are terrorists. They are not American citizens therefore they do not deserve American rights. Do you honestly believe that if you were captured by these same men that they wouldnt torture you? Also you still havent given an alternative to torture, so tell me how would you go about getting intelligence from an enemy? ask them please? Torture is necessary.
UglyS71ck 3 years ago
Would you listen to yourself? Just because they would torture our people, does that give us the right to sink to their level?! Hell no. Prosecute them fine, but stick to the geneva convention! Torture is illegal not just in our country, but most of the world. If you want to torture people, then you are no better than a terrorist yourself.
Good day.
Nilanius 3 years ago
I'm actually split on this particular issue. Part of me is for it, and on the other hand part of me is against it. The reason why I am against it is that it is an unreliable method of extracting information. Even though the individual speaks, how do you really know its actually the truth? What if a person actually is innocent, but there is circumstancial evidence that seems to say otherwise. So you would torture just to make sure. And if your wrong, you just beat an innocent person.
plord28 3 years ago
UglyS17ck: torturing the enemy's troops for information is inhumane and a waste of time. Most of them are common people who were tricked into fighting through lies based on religious superstitions. They don't know anything useful. Besides that, with our advanced technology & intelligence capabilities we already know everything they might know, anyway.
Do you think if they captured & tortured any of our troops they'd gain useful information concerning our Pentagon or government? Absolutely not
FriedDaisy 3 years ago
Not to mention such information can't be taken seriously. Let's face it, if someone is causing you pain and torturing you, you will end up saying anything the torturer wants you to say just to make them stop. It is inhumane and pointless.
Nilanius 3 years ago
Troop movements, troop placement and positions, ambush points. None of that is useful information?
UglyS71ck 3 years ago
News flash, not American doesn't equal not human. If we're all gonna stop acting like cave men, the ones in the better position have to take the lead. Eye for an eye is biblical bullshit that should stay in the past where it belongs. Those people would not just torture me, they would kill me, but that doesn't mean I should turn around and torture and kill them. Terrorists forsake their humanity to harm others, I refuse to sink down to their level.
Xakryn 3 years ago
Excellent Point Xakryn.
basharcali 3 years ago
Well we do need to rid the world of terrorists, they're not going to just suddenly have a change of heart. They are out of total domination of the West. It is war folks, quit being pussies. If you want to survive you have to do what is necessary.
stabcat2 3 years ago
stabcat2: Terrorist are out for total domination of the West? Are you paying attention, at all? Who is dominating whom? Who has always dominated whom?
If you don't think it's about oil then you're a fool who believes anything the GOP & the sociopathic corporations they represent want you to believe.
Do yourself a favor. Do some homework. Bush 1 took us into war with Iraq as a warning because they wanted to unhinge the sale of their oil from the U.S. dollar. The rest has been smoke & mirrors.
FriedDaisy 3 years ago
Are YOU paying attention? The last I checked there was a 9/11, there were attacks on the trains in Madrid, and have been countless terrorist bombings around the world since. I'm not an idiot, Iraq should never have happened, this is about sending terrorists back to thier home to start plotting attacks right back at us again. Go ahead and step in front of a moving vehicle with Xahryn if you feel sending these terrorists back, because you're worthless too if that's the case.
stabcat2 3 years ago
yeah, it has nothing to do with the CIA assassinating the democratically elected leader of iran.. or building US military basses on their holy land... or invading their country, bombing civilians and calling it "collateral damage". Leaving hundreds of thousands of families without brothers, mother and children as we have done in the name of "self defense". Terrorism only works when it turns people into spineless cowards, where you think that killing becomes your only option, you become like them
Xakryn 3 years ago
So you're ok with them going back to thier countries and plotting more terrorist attacks? Why don't you just go run out in front of a moving car you worthless liberal.
stabcat2 3 years ago
Like I have said before multiple times what is the alternative to torture? Im sure you won't give me an answer because there isnt one. So I guess whenever we find a terrorist with a bomb strapped to him we can just bring him back to America where he can plead he's insane and get off on a lighter charge, that sounds like real justice. According to weird fucking liberals like you.
UglyS71ck 3 years ago
"So I guess whenever we find a terrorist with a bomb strapped to him"
Something which has not happened to date. All prisoners at Gitmo were SUSPECTS. None of them were caught with bombs strapped to their chests.
As for an alternative to torture... are you for real? People will confess to anything under torture, real or imagined. Torture has a lousy track record for providing accurate information. You really aren't the sort of person to learn from history, are you?
Gilmaris 3 years ago
Precisely. The most compromising and accurate information extracted from POWs usually occurs under very friendly and hospitable conditions. Germans in WWII obtained their best intelligence by outstanding treatment of POWs.
Furthermore, let's not forget those people detained in Guantanamo who are not only non-combatants, but natural-born US citizens deserving of routine civil or criminal proceedings in the US. Case in point: Jose Padilla, and there may be others.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
Jose Padilla? That sounds like what I ate for lunch. Anyways, Obama is going to liquidate the camp the same way the Gestapo did. All of you hippies are retarded. Closing GITMO doesn't mean these people are released, and therefore DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. Hahaha. You think we're going to stop torturing sand people? We're just going to stop admitting it, cuz you idiots only found out when you were told. Fucking morons. GITMO prisoners were treated lavishly, and I doubt they want a different camp.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Jose Padilla, American-born man accused of aiding al-Qaeda, also connected to Timothy McVeigh. Executive order of George W. Bush had him declared an "illegal enemy combatant" and detained indefinitely
He was finally released from Gitmo for proper criminal proceedings just over three years ago.
I suppose you have all the answers, hm? You seem pretty sure that Gitmo's being liquidated. But since the POTUS can arbitrarily declare you an enemy combatant, maybe you'd like a "lavish" Gitmo stay.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
No, I'll just abstain from terrorism! I've always found that the best way to not get thrown into a secret superprison is to not be a terrorist.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Well, glad that's worked for you so far. Just remember that there's more to "terrorism" anymore than hijacking commercial airliners or strapping dynamite to one's self.
Just remember, the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force empowers to President to declare anyone, anywhere, for any reason an "illegal enemy combatant" and strip you of your right to Due Process.
So, in order to keep up your strategy, you should hope that the official interpretation of "terrorism" narrows no further.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
I find it hard to believe that anyone who works on a modest government salary out of service to our freedom is going to go out of their way to come get me.
They'll kill you before they kill me, and I'm pretty cool with that.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
I found it hard to believe that anyone who swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States would vote in favor of the Patriot Act. What's your point?
Likewise, they have no reason to bust down my door, since I'm neither adhering to an enemy's cause nor giving them aid and comfort--as much as you'd like to believe otherwise.
Those in service to our freedom should know that I do have inalienable rights. And even terrorists are innocent until proven guilty.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
So there you go: don't involve yourself in terrorist activity, and you don't need to be afraid of being locked up in a secret prison. Pretty easy.
How do you figure a terrorist has rights? They are engaged in war. When you nab some jackass on a battlefield, you don't read them Mirandas. Do you think the millions of German POWs we took in WWII ever got a trial? Most were simply released later on after the war was long declared over. Battlefields demand more expediency than courts provide.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
They are entitled to be tried in military tribunals in accordance with international law. If they are US Citizens, they have the right of due process, period.
Internet tough-guy-ism doesn't have any place in this argument. I doubt you'd enjoy torture in any form, and when you finally "break," you'd simply parrot whatever your interrogators wanted to hear.
Of course, everyone deserves it, since it's not so bad, after a strip-search. If innocent, we apologize and send them on their way, yes?
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
Under international law they aren't entitled to anything but a bullet in the head. If you are fighting on a battlefield without a uniform, you are an illegal combatant and can be summarily executed. I just said that I wouldn't enjoy torture, but I would still try it.
We don't have time to torture everyone, only the big shots. You don't earn a trip to GITMO if you're just a shooter. Although you might have to deal with those redneck reservists at Abu Ghraib, which I think is unfortunate.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
If they're fighting, yes, one can riddle 'em with lead in order to defend themselves or as mission dictates.
However, the moment they lay down arms, or are captured, the Geneva Conventions disagree with you. Detainees are treated as POWs until evaluated by tribunal, and should they be classified "unlawful combatants," can then be dealt with at the discretion of their captors.
And yes, we are subject to them, as they were ratified by Congress.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
Yes, but you're not required to detain them at all. For instance, it is perfectly legal to execute a spy on the spot.
Geneva Conventions are old hat anyways. No one has ever abided by them, and you're only subject to them once you lose a war. I figure that since there is no possibility of anyone taking over our country, we ought to just wipe our noses with them. If we had common sense, tribunals would have briskly sentenced everyone in GITMO to the gallows. It would save time and money.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Additionally, even unlawful combatants are treated in accordance with Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which states:
"Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely..."
Seems pretty simple. But there's nothing so simple it can't be misunderstood.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
Notice where you said "members of armed forces"? A terrorist, as an ideological foe, is always taking part in the hostilities. These articles are too cumbersome to even apply to 21st century battlefields.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
In case you forgot, terrorism as we know it isn't new to this century.
Even a revision to reflect ideological hostilities would change nothing--the subjective nature of such a distinction could easily apply to nations at war. As such, the interpretation of the "armed forces" term in article 3, since it applies to irregulars, is inclusive of terrorists.
And yes, if they're not resisting, it IS required to detain them. Also, a spy is less likely to be executed at all, given the possible intel.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
Terrorism nowadays is completely different. While Al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Taliban behave in the style of partisans, the scale of global terrorism is completely off the charts of anything seen even in the first half of the 20th century. GITMO is for global players, not irregulars.
Yes, you usually want to keep them alive, but not always. Established precedent would suggest that it's not required to detain them.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Clearly, you weren't alive in the 70's. Al-Qaeda's just a slightly bigger fish.
But you are right. Terrorists as they exist today suffer from a classification problem that makes dealing with them obviously problematic. Nevertheless, there ARE US citizens detained in Gitmo, who are entitled to due process of law, any which way you slice it. It's the foreigners who present problems.
Precedent perhaps, but that ain't how it's written. Naturally, it's not realistically enforceable.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
I was not alive, but I did say the first half of the 20th century.
Yes, a US citizen should be treated as such. Certainly, they have rights. Though, one might not want to be tried like that as treason makes your charges much more serious, I would imagine. I am not familiar with US citizens detained in GITMO, which does not seem right. I'm not familiar with Jose Padilla, but it would seem like the government could be overstepping their boundaries. I will look into that.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
The one problem I have with your statement is that you seem to think that only United State citizens should be the only people who have rights. As far as the constitution states, all men are credited equal. I think that shouldn't be just a concept for a country, but for the world.
SkepticalReality 2 years ago
UglyS71ck,
Actually there is an alternative to torture, which is simply interrogation without torture. American soldiers used this method in World War II, extracting useful information from German and Japanese POWs without torture, even though the Japanese were torturing American troops with such methods as waterboarding. Besides, torture generally reveals less accurate information.
It's fun when there's an answer to a stupid rhetorical question, isn't it?
BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot 3 years ago
"Besides, torture generally reveals less accurate information."
dont pass ur theories off as fact.
the fear of torture will turn many into things u wont understand unless u have been there...
Winjury 3 years ago
You think the Japs really dicked around with such a humane practice like pussy "waterboarding"? Ha! Don't ever pick up a gun, chief, you'd never last.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Dear "einsatzdeath,"
The Japanese did use waterboarding in WWII on Americans and were prosecuted for war crimes for it at the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans"
-John McCain
"I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure."
-Lt. Chase Nielsen, flew in the Doolittle Raid
BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot 3 years ago
Yeah, SEVERAL types of torture. Waterboarding would definitely be the pussiest. I would be willing to get waterboarded just for the experience, it would be adventurous. If I was going to face torture, give me waterboarding. I wouldn't tell shit neither. Now maybe after something involving permanent mutilation, I might start to break.
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Simple battery may be the "pussiest" form of physical assault, and chlorine gas may be the "pussiest" form of chemical weaponry, but both harm people and (thankfully) legal opinion is not determined from such logic or the masochistic inclinations of a few.
Waterboarding is torture. Even if for some reason you'd enjoy the sensation of drowning (I'd bet you wouldn't), that is utterly irrelevant to what should be done policy wise.
p.s. anonymous tough talk on the internet sure is cheap...
BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot 3 years ago
What is so tough about willing to be waterboarded? I don't think I would enoy it either, but I would only come out of the experience stronger. By your definition, making terrorists do push-ups would be torture. We should make them do it, just to hear the hilarious hippie protests of "PUSH-UPS ARE TORTURE!" Funny you mention chlorine gas, because last time I went to Iraq, the knuckleheads were adding it to their suicide vehicles. Al-Qaeda apparently didn't get the word of the legal opinion!
einsatzdeath 3 years ago
Well-said.
Go ahead, einsatzdeath, I'll treat you to waterboarding, if that's what you really want. Let's just see if you want what you're going to get.
SevenSixTwoNato 3 years ago
"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin. There is nothing more I hate than a Liberal, but a close second are the people at Fox. Those people like to call themselves Republicans and claim to be conservative. BULL SHIT, they are just the liberal version of conservatives called NEOCONS. If we would have listened to people like George Washington, and not get involved in foreign affairs, we wouldnt be where we are today.
BoundariesOverthrown 3 years ago
BoundariesOverthrown: do you really think it's all that simple? Do you honestly think that labels like liberal, conservative, neocon or whatever matter? All that political bull is nothing but smoke & mirrors designed to distract the average person from thinking clearly about what's really going on. It's a game designed to divide & conquer us.
We are experiencing the subtle but hostile take over by the world's corporations, & our so-called representatives (from every party) are in collusion.
FriedDaisy 3 years ago 2
I do agree with you that these labels are all bull, but I do believe they are necessary to distinguish between those that are uninformed from those that know what they are talking about. I like to think of myself Independent, rather than a Republican or Democrat because both parties are leading us down the same path. However, my values are conservative, and I believe those that are true conservatives are able to think on their own and see through the bull shit fed to us on a daily basis.
BoundariesOverthrown 3 years ago
Not even a week in and he does this! Great! I love our new president!
Lungyao1 3 years ago 4
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wow one day in as president and he already fucked us over, I can garauntee we will be attacked within the next four years
UglyS71ck 3 years ago
Freedom = not safe
safety = Not free.
Choose? freedom or safety? You CANNOT, have both. those people will not be released, because they are criminals and you are being paranoid. Stop watching fox noise and grow up.
Xakryn 3 years ago
I just figured an avid reader such as yourself would write more intelligently. I just don't think your comments are useful or impressive in the slightest. You wrote CUNT 3 times. Seriously. Grow up.
shannodono2 3 years ago
> "And, uh, duh, er, uh and uh duh, uh , uh..."
> Hard to belivee but this clown is dumber than Bush!
BLCalifornia 3 years ago
derp derp derp derp
DoctorDoubleX 3 years ago
He's just trying to shut the hippies up. It's going to be fun to watch this guy trade his integrity for the support of marxist radicals. In a few months, even he won't know what he stands for. At least then he'll have something in common with us.
pinkoslayer 3 years ago
I want to see action NOW in regards to the ECONOMY. I give a shit less about GITMO. LET ME SPELL IT OUT .E C O N O M Y
ohmybentley 3 years ago 2
I love this. America cannot compromise it's ideals in response to terrorists. We should set the standard for human rights, not lower it with torture and denial of habeas corpus. Right to defend yourself and to a speedy, fair trial is a basic human right. I dont care what label that human has been assigned. How do we know if it's an accurate one if he is locked away in a prison camp with no trial?
Dont allow a lessening of human rights for others unless you want it for yourself too.
coronet67 3 years ago
many questions arise out of this decision:
1.) where will those prisoners go, who will want them.
2.) will anybody that takes them be a target for terrorism?
3.) who would want these suspected terrorists in their back yard?
themou2008 3 years ago
The terrorists will be held in New York (in the case of the man who planned 9/11 and will now not be tried for it, but rather the lesser offense of the first WTC bombing while Clinton was president), and then others will go to places like Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. Won't it be great to have terrorists on US Soil, where it will be far easier for a terrorist organization to hold a shopping mall hostage for their release. You see... from GTMO, there's really no where to go... minefield or ocean.
oldNavyJZ 3 years ago
whatch faux much? lol
sexyYTuser 3 years ago
I'm definitely on our country's side and hope for American to live up to the glory it has.
I think that closing down Guantanamo is a good idea! and in no way should torture be looked to as a means of anything really.
...but I mean - don't you think that prisoners in American cells are going to try to kill these guys?
any thoughts?
thanks! :D
PatRick4001 3 years ago 2
They would have to be completely segregated from regular population. They would most likely be held in a government facility specially designated to house only those from Gitmo or other suspected anti-American extremists. They would actually be safer within our borders than they are at Gitmo. It would probably lessen the likelyhood of escape, too.
oppesdaman 3 years ago
It will cost millions to create anywhere close to the same security we have from them while they are at GTMO.
They can't escape from GTMO, unless they learn to walk through a dense minefield or can swim against a very strong current for a very long time.
oldNavyJZ 3 years ago
WOW our new HNIC has made the most important decision of his life. This will help the economy so much, thank you Mr. Perseedent!.
All Amercia was begging for you to do this in your first day of office to win on your terms.
Oh Mr. Perseedent, Taxes in California has gone up by the way MORON.
seanamico 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
stfu quit whining
RlDEtheLIGHTNING 3 years ago 2
obama looks really tired here.
Ngt15 3 years ago
he raelly does by the time his term is over? just imagine
gordo0822 3 years ago
i laugh at all you guys arguing, you know its pointless right? youre not going to change anyone's mind
anyway, i think this was a good idea by obama
NickAdvent 3 years ago
NickAdvent, Not everyone is on welfare and living in a trailer home, many have family to care for, it is called responsibility. Sitting on our ass making video to see if anyone watches does not pay the bills.
seanamico 3 years ago
umm thats good to hear. dont really know why youre telling me this. im guessing you think i took my precious time to read the arguments, which i didnt.
NickAdvent 3 years ago
You made a comment and I replied to you. Perhaps you should not post to anyone if you dont know what you are talking about or remember why you commented.
seanamico 3 years ago
Seanamico, republicans need to stop thinking that working for THEIR families to eat allows them some sort of moral high ground. Americans work to feed their families every fucking day and don't bitch about it nearly as much as douche bags like you do. Welfare is intended to provide service for people who lose their jobs/can't work for whatever reason. You'd probably rather see children starving in the ghetto than give a dime of your "hard earned" money to make that happen. Fuck you, asshole.
shannodono2 3 years ago
Shannon, what would a 21 year old CUNT like you know about work and taking care of a family? You probably are on welfare bitch & live off of others. Welfare is to help not for scum like you that probably abuse and many others that are waiting for this putz to give them money for nothing, so they can sit around & pump out kids so they can collect more money. You dont know me CUNT, I give and help far more than you make. I dont fuck CUNTS scum.
seanamico 3 years ago
Okay, so evidently, you are a man with some really creative insults. I work 6 days a week with children that have autism. I have two jobs. I am in school full time. I am also interning for a best-selling author on the side. I agree, you probably do make more money than I do. I can guarantee, however, that you sit on your ass and complain way more than I do. You seem ill-educated and pathetic. Whatever. "Helping" for you would be picking up a book and reading it.
shannodono2 3 years ago
So you like to insult but not be insulted, is that how it works in your world. I am educated enough to make very good money and not sit and judge people I dont know but when you trash talk to me and i have never said any thing to you then you deserve it. I am a very happy go lucky person another of your assumptions & like an asshole that everyone has you think yours does not stink.
I have over 900 books in my library that I have read, how about you?
You (ASS U ME) a lot dont you.
seanamico 3 years ago
Well, that's one issue of American shame taken care of.
Way to go Mr. President!
Keep it up and you got my vote next time!
Voter in Arkansas.
And Palestine?
gjsterp 3 years ago 2
Not to mention GITMO makes us look like barbaric azzholes, WORST than the enemy, and we are better than that!
Taino187 3 years ago 2
GITMO was always a HUGE waste of money, Holding people there without charge, without prosecution, without dispatching them and sending their azzes to Jail to serve life sentences, executions, or just the deporting specific sheep herders swept up in the arrest raids has been a GIGANTIC flop by the Bush admin.
Taino187 3 years ago 6
Remember the 4 British Muslim brothers that were held for 4 years, lied to and basically told they were terrorists over and over again for 4 years?
Yeah, they finally went home after years... they were not terrorists at all... THey would lie to them and say:
"Your brothers say you are Al-Queda."
To which he woudl reply.
"I am not al-quada, my brothers would never say that."
over and over and over again. They tried to say they were in an Osama B rally videos too...
CliveSinclairZX 3 years ago 5
wasnt that a documentry called "how i planned to kill tony blair" they accused the brothers of plotting and put them in prison and tortured them for years before finally setting them free
all the men were innocent
or is that another sad case?
sexyYTuser 3 years ago
The U.S. should have been able to figure out in the last five or so years which of the detainees are real threats and which one's that are no threat. Those who are no real threat should be released to their homeland under the eye of their home government. Those who have been deemed a threat to the U.S. should be held and tried within our borders and within our constitutional justice system. It's not like Obama is just going to let every asshole go free just like that.
oppesdaman 3 years ago
Ok, i thought the economy issue was priority....so..what the hell he<s thinking about?..bad first step...bad beginning...
aillen8562 3 years ago
OBAMA is amazing! God has blessed this Nation once again!
BOSS11219 3 years ago 2
Great move, President Obama.
alnewberry 3 years ago
I didn't expect him to follow through with this (so quickly)!
yay, Obama! =o
TheDemonataLeader 3 years ago 2
Lets just say hypothetically there is another terrorist attack on American Soil. Potentially caused by one of the 60 men who already have be released and gone back to there jihad ways or one soon to be released. Will this still be Bush's fault? or will it be the Almighty's fault? I figured it would be racist to say it was Obamas fault but I could be wrong! All this does is show the World Obama has nothing to stand up to. "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything"
AmericanPatriot333 3 years ago
Given that there were several men imprisoned and beaten who were later found innocent, I can't imagine how anyone would be surprised to find one or more of these men might hold a certain GRUDGE against the country that kidnapped them off the streets and tortured them without just cause. If a country was doing that to Americans, we'd be calling for war. But it's okay as long as the bag pulled over their head has stars and stripes on it? What a disgusting disregard for our American ideals you have
sportsfanswhine 3 years ago
its so fucking surreal to finally see a president who can speak again
GLYPHKING 3 years ago 3
Yes! Finally a step in the right direction!
Way to go Obama!!!
CliveSinclairZX 3 years ago
Great Move. Guantanamo Bay was a waste of our Tax Dollars. That place housed farmers and sheep herders. It was such a farce.
basharcali 3 years ago 6
"That place housed farmers and sheep herders. "
Where did you hear that? NPR?
bbear8 3 years ago
I heard it from my friend that used to work there.
basharcali 3 years ago
yeah right,the democrat congress is a waste of our taxes too,they do nothing but being a group of socialist ,amarica haters,they have to be move to the united nations building house of the united states haters.
oston68 3 years ago
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this guy,with all the problems we are facing the economic,the house disaster ,his first priority is the terrorist in guantanamo and their rights,it has nothing to do in what he said there will be his priorities when he get to the white house.i think the happiest guy in the world today is lois farrakan.
oston68 3 years ago
Yeah, I HATE it when a president lives up to the standards we say we uphold in our constitution. You're right, he definitely could have fixed the economy in one day and therefor this has taken up time that would have solved every other problem we currently face. What an ass!
sportsfanswhine 3 years ago 4
thank you for replying my comment,the best part of all this is that they don"t even know where are they gonna relocate all those terrorists,maybe his planning a bail out for those who wants them.
oston68 3 years ago
"terrorists" in guantanamo? The fact is that these are people accused of being terrorists without the benefit of proof. Some are undoubtedly guilty, but the burden of proof is on the accuser. Let's say some foreign power locked you up without a trial. Whether you were guilty of their accusations or not it's their job to prove your guilt, not yours to prove your innocence.
alnewberry 3 years ago 4
oston 68: I think the same ....you are right...
aillen8562 3 years ago
And why a year? Oh, so they have time to construct or move everything to another location. Nothing will change. How about undoing Bushes executive orders that stole our rights? How about putting a stop to the Iraq war? How about the easiest thing you could do Mr President, Listen to Ron Paul!!! When Obama starts doing these things I will start to trust him. Maybe, I'm vary Bushed, it will take allot more then "Yes We Can" to pry Bush roots from my brain... I stand waiting........................
nasanction 3 years ago
They are pulling out of Iraq.
CliveSinclairZX 3 years ago
Really? I have not heard anything to that effect. You would think that would be headline news...
nasanction 3 years ago
He already has to plan to have all combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months and they are figuring out how to implement it logistically.
LastPosterStanding 3 years ago 2
It was in an old TPMTV, where Biden and a Republican Senator just got back from a trip to the middle east.
They said they now now have a chance to pull out of Iraq. (I tried to find the clip, but failed, I'm unsure of the exact words the Senator used.) then they announced 35,000 more troops to Afghanistan (But I have not seen anyone in the news talking about that either.) and that they wanted to give aid to Pakistan.
CliveSinclairZX 3 years ago
Well, I still stand waiting...
I'll believe it when I see it...
Refer to my original post...
See, nothing has changed...
nasanction 3 years ago
I have no comment.
MikeRocks25 3 years ago
just leave torture to the muslims, the non-muslims should be above torture.
personage2007 3 years ago
Day Two: Still fucking Awesome!
Mel1334 3 years ago
Best commander in chief I will ever witness in my life time.
Free world for Obama.
Yes We Can Mr President.
Gangstar612 3 years ago 4
Cool now get on to giving us our rights back that Bush took away.
Then...I might start trusting you a Little bit,but just a little.
volumedealer1 3 years ago
Don't worry :) it's just the second day.
Apart from dumping the PATRIOT act I also expect signing Kyoto, killing off the creationists :) and a universal healthcare system :) there's time for that...
KeyserSoze7 3 years ago 2
WOw! health care would be so good for the USA! Wow I can only imagine! I'm up in Canada and health care rocks so hard! I'm so proud to have that system and I hope one day Americans can experience the amazing feeling that is free universal health care!
CliveSinclairZX 3 years ago
Torture is nothing more than an excuse to exercise sadism, as long as you understand that a lot of these people DON'T KNOW the answers to the questions these people ask, but will say anything if the torture is bad enough.
And if it's not that bad-then why would someone want to divulge anything? If Im the type of guy who blows myself up and shoots at tanks with AK's, I think you'd have to beat my ass really bad but probably just kidnap family members. Jihad is Jihad you know.
zndprophet 3 years ago