Too non specific Mike. You go on about systems you think are wrong but are short on answers of specificaly what you'd replace them with. It's cheap and easy to be against stuff, much much harder to say what you are for. Be specific, tell us what are you for. Taxation is theft? For instance, can volunteer departments can protect big cities? If you think so show us how it's funded. Be specific. Same thing with roads, bridges, education. Who do you call if attacted? Your ideas are superficial.
@jackhammer111 Thats the thing, most of us don't know how Private fire departments would work nor can we, that would be like asking someone 30 years ago to describe what they think an iPhone would be. The Market is a complex thing that has many influences, unfortunately us "Voluntarists" can't tell people what will happen. We can't give them a plan, we can guess but that's it. I think that's the allure of central planning to people, there is always someone with an answer.
@VatZeEll "that would be like asking someone 30 years ago to describe what they think an iPhone would be." No, it would not be like that. It was a really dumb thing to say. What is OBVIOUS is that pro fire departments replaced volunteer forces because they were OBVIOUSLY better. no insult to volunteer firemen. I know some want be firemen so bad they'd do it for nothing....while they get the experience and pay for training so they can get a paying job at a professional fire house.
Respond to this video... So, the allure of central planning is that you don't have to bother think up, researching and source a plans to back your idea. How nice. How convenient. That's the answer to any question people have about how you would do things, and the "the market is a complex thing" one. So easy a cave man could do it. No critical thinking skills needed. You are not smarter than the people you criticize. I want someone smarter than the guy now doing it to try and change it.
@jackhammer111 It's not hard to find someone smarter than the politicians who point guns at others. Hell, they have a violent monopoly. That doesn't require brains, just corruption... Not sure what you are trying to get at with the rest of this.... you honestly believe that you have to use violence on peaceful people to have prosperity?!? Doesn't sound very smart to me... why do you look to everyone else to tell you what to do?!?
@jackhammer111 I mean an answer like a specific way a things going to be done, like the Fire Dept will be set up like x and will get y dollars in funding. Those are the answers that central planners have. The market is very decentralized and has many different answers, and only those answers that benefit the most people the best are the ones that are accepted.
@jackhammer111 He is arguing that a hierarchical coercive statist monopoly on force from a central authority is immoral, and so you want him to become one or you will levy ad hominem attacks against him. He is not within his rights to force his solution upon you. That's the point. And what you are doing is called begging the question. Let me respond with a question of my own: Who do you call when someone points a loaded gun at your head and robs you when that someone is called the Government?
Humans are driven by the natural forces of desire and self appeasement. Anarchy is the natural result of these forces. Once we become an ism or an ist we become part of collective action. Like communism, capitalism, state-ism, catholicism or ANARCHISM, we have abandoned our individuality to join forces to appease our desires.
This takes us to another natural force, clan behavior. Clan behavior is spontaneous, like victims of disaster. Individual appeasement depends on the group survival.
@DecentralizedByGuilt I already know that your statist system's Federal Reserve and all government central banks are horrible... so why do you want to keep the Federal Reserve's dad?!? ....Government?!? Why would you want to keep statism slavery around so it can build licensed and protected corporations?!? Why would you want to keep around this slavery system of aggressive violence on peaceful people?!? Why trap us into statism and its central planning?!?
@mikeshanklin You dont know jack shit homeboy. This is why I had to explain over and over to you the importance of balanced trading. You still dont get, becuase you sub to a system that doesnt care about balanced trading, which is why you have been so clueless about it. You dont participate in changing the system at all. You refuse to take part. you are a waste of time. a do nothing waste of time and you are a victim. you been manipulated by your market worshipping masters of greed.
@DecentralizedByGuilt Please, explain how VOLUNTARYISM creates unbalanced trade... How does anarchy/freedom create unbalanced trade?!? If everyone is free to trade whatever they want, regardless of what governments want, then have is that unbalanced?!? It's not or else the trade would not take place. YOU are the one stuck in statism slavery. You threaten aggressive violence on peaceful people, not me. You create the governments which create corporations and debt. YOUR SLAVERY is to blame, not me
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad.
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad.
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad
@mike Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad.
@mikeshan Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. you create the debt. you're not trading something of equal value. Voluntarism allows for racism to thrive. It's class warfare. Those that can afford to pay up, donate, are the ones that will get help from the voluntary police, fire department, and voluntary, and or private, schooling. You cater only to your rich elite masters.
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. you create the debt. you're not trading something of equal value. Voluntarism allows for racism to thrive. It's class warfare. Those that can afford to pay up, donate, are the ones that will get help from the voluntary police, fire department, and voluntary, and or private, schooling. You cater only to your rich elite masters only.
@mikeshanklin You promote gun violence because you fully suport buying guns from the military industrial complex (weapons manufactures) The fact that I have to repeat myself over and over to you. Shows that you sir, are incapable of learning. good bye
@DecentralizedByGuilt Uh huh, and how do I (a person who is against the military industrial complex) buy guns from the military industrial complex?!? Once again, you mean to say the GOVERNMENT IS the military industrial complex and that YOU support governments that made the military industrial complex. I am against and do not support the military industrial complex one bit. YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES!!! I have never bought one thing from them, unlike you who created them.
@DecentralizedByGuilt@DecentralizedByGuilt Uh huh, and how do I (a person who is against the military industrial complex) buy guns from the military industrial complex?!? Once again, you mean to say the GOVERNMENT IS the military industrial complex and that YOU support governments that made the military industrial complex. I am against and do not support the military industrial complex one bit. YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES!!! I have never bought one thing from them, unlike you who created them.
@DecentralizedByGuilt What is the market? We are actually for a FREE market, not just any market. We believe people have the right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on others. This means that peaceful people can do whatever they want. That IS a free market, where voluntaryism trumps aggressive coercion. Do you actually believe we already live in a free market?!? How can that be with government in just about everything?!?
@mikeshanklin The free market is a stupid idea. What that means is you don't want to tax imports. Mom and pop stores cannot compete with foreign slave labor wages. bye bye jobs. This open free trade frenzy for the corporations (you wish didnt exist, but they do) is unbalanced trading. Meaning the US goes into huge debt from having a low GDP. This debt is carried by US bonds and treasury notes, it finances our national debt and wars abroad. And it's a debt we have no way of paying.
@DecentralizedByGuilt Free market means don't infringe on others... that is all. In fact, a true free market would have no corporations as corporations are government created, licensed, backed, and protected. They would not exist in a free market. Furthermore, I call for individual rights for the entire world, not just people who live close to me. I could careless about GDPs, US bonds, or anything related to statism. I care about individual rights/personal freedom... the nonaggression principle.
@mikeshanklin I'm not talking about your fantasy la la dream world. I'm talking about the actual world you live in. The US imports far more than she exports. We're up to around a trillion dollars a year in trade debts to foreign central banks, and growing. We need balanced trade agreements. No country, or individual, can keep on importing more that she exports and ever expect to get ahead. Everything you buy is foriegn made.
@DecentralizedByGuilt YOU are living in statist dreamland, where government can fix all these problems it created.... that is total bullshit, and you putting words in my mouth, and jumping to conclusions only makes you look like the dumbass... not me. I DON'T WANT ANY CENTRAL BANKS AT ALL!!! YOU DO, obviously, if you want to keep statism slavery around. How about you keep your fucking hands to yourself and stop infringing on peaceful people?!?
@mikeshanklin I missed some of your ridiculous comments. Again sir. I'm not talking about how you wish the world was but it is most certiantly not. I'm talking about the way the world is, not fantasy bullshit la la dream land!
@DecentralizedByGuilt No, you really do live in lala land where you believe tyrants have your concerns at the top of their list, that is a bullshit fantasy and a dangerous one. All governments have are threats of aggressive violence on peaceful people who simply disagree, you just don't seem to understand this fact.... that you are a slavedriver, not freedom.
@mikeshanklin Just shut the fuck up with your programmed media tool words you stupid knuckle fuck. We had been discussing economics, and your failed to understand basic economic sense.
you- I'm for freedom, I'm anti statist, all governments want to stick a gun in my face and make me pay taxes which is extortion bla bla bla I'm a media whore incapable of understanding the way the world is. so I hide my head in a la la fantasy ass bullshit, instead of actually trying to do something about it!
@mikeshanklin You have little understanding in economics on the world market. You dont live in the real world. In fact you hate this world. but are to dumb to do anthing about it. And the reason is because the little group think you regurgitate old ideologies from, are so flawed on so many levels, that any intelligent person is not going to go for your stolen regurgitated fantasy la la land of how a few wish the world was like, but it is not.
@mikeshanklin and no one in their right mind should want total corperate slavery that young punk kids following trends in, like YOU, but are just to stupid to even realise it. You dumb ass
@DecentralizedByGuilt, why are you so aggressive? If you believe complete liberty is so stupid then why are you wasting your time even engaging us? Certainly an individual of your intellect has more important concerns.
@wood9670 Your group think is not for liberty at all. You've been lied to. It's not a problem because your group is not a real threat. You guys will never be powerful dictators that can remove everything the american people fought long and hard for. There's no place in the 21 century for you, and your ilk. We have a history full of racism and class warfare disguised as voluntarism. Intelligent people will not fall for that corperate trick no longer. wake up!
~Nor do we want to be "a threat". We simply want to educate people out of aggressive violence on peaceful people, not fearmonger MORE people into statism slavery.... like you.
No place for individual rights in the 21st century?!? Why do you say that?!? I am personally against racism, but I am ALSO against using violence on racists who have never infringed on another person.... Oh, and we are against corporations
@mikeshanklin By threat I mean any form of anarcism will never be implemented in the US. because you do away with individual rights. That's what voluntarism is. It's class and race warfare. If one cant pay up (donate) to the fire department, for an example, their house burns down and people die violent deaths because of YOU! Our own history is full of such failures that you naively wish to bring back.
@DecentralizedByGuilt ANARCHISM IS INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!!! It's when you get rid of forced collectivism.... Anarchy is simply the lack of slavery... as if individual rights comes from anti-individual rights statism slavery, you have no idea what anarchy truly is... In all reality, statism has brought more theft, war, and abuse to the world than peace and individual rights (anarchy) ever will... but you keep on believing the bullshit mainstream definition.... whatever.
@mikeshanklin NO IT IS NOT!! Just because you say something, that does NOT mean it is true. You are NOT thinking in long term, or even short term effects. When you do away with worker rights. THAT IS SLAVERY!!! and it allows for RACISM! same with volunteerism. Voluntary police, or firemen, can choose what race they want to volunteer to help. but you keep on believe your little tiny group think!
So tell me boy genius, if you can get rid of all corporations, why cant you do it now?
@DecentralizedByGuilt The earth is covered with statism, all over it... and racism is still everywhere!!! Why can't you cope with the fact that pointing guns at people who have never infringed on others is not a sustainable path to peace and prosperity?!? That it is just the opposite!!!
@mikecunt It's very sad that you wish to take away what the american people fought long and hard to have with our taxes. That no one is going broke from paying. You take for granted the fact that taxes have made you who you are today. You have no viable solutions for anything, and no way to even begin to implement your destruction of individual rights, as you promote total state slavery corporatism. It's getting funny that you ignore points being made, and switch to media whore words.
@DecentralizedByGuilt It's a shame so many people are deluded into the ideal that forced collectivism is what is necessary for prosperity and peace when it does the exact opposite. Sad these people were fooled into a version of slavery, that they died for a lie. I have a video coming out Thursday that will help people see a taste of voluntaryism. Once again, there would be no corporations in voluntaryism, as corporations are government licensed and protected.
@mikeshanklin You want to force an ideology onto the world, but you have no idea how to make it happen. This system is set up for change, and we are seeing change. But not from you, you refuse to take the actual steps to implement your own goals, which is very shameful of you. We also have a history of people dying violent deaths because of voluntarism. You ignore history and wish to repeat it, in la la dream land only. What laws would u like to see to end corporations?
@DecentralizedByGuilt I don't want to force anything, and the way to spread anything (like Gandhi did) is through education. No statist system is setup for change, statism is anti-change. It doesn't want to change away from controlling other peaceful people, that is what it thrives on. Another thing, who in history died because of peace and voluntaryism?!?!? You are making no sense whatsoever and it is getting really old. You don't get it, statist laws are what made corporations...
@mike Laws come about from pubic outcry, this system is set up for change FACT! CA changed it's marijunna laws, women can vote now, slavery for blacks is outlawed. we are seeing more change as well, open your eyes up! The ideology you would like to force onto this country does in fact allow for corporations to exist FACT! I already told you who died from te racist/class warfare called voluntarism, try listening for once! Your idea of education is telling people things that are not true.
@DecentralizedByGuilt Please explain... how can corporations (firms that are government licensed and protected) still exist in voluntaryism without government licensing and protectionism?!?
Are you telling me people can just freely trade cannabis in California?!? You are telling me that taxation is not theft? That statism is not threats of aggressive coercion on peaceful people who simply disagree?!?
@mikeshanklin I'll entertain the fantasy that not enough people care about and it will never become a reality, especially since you, and yours, are doing nothing at all to make it a reality, because you dont now how to. Thanks goodness for that! The majority doesnt want idiot ideals forced onto them!
You allow anyone to start up a business and franchise, like I already told you! You wont even regulated trade, so you will always be in debt, surrounded by mega corporations!
@mikeshanklin Voluntarism is racism and class warfare, those who can't afford to pay up. May not get help from the voluntary fire department, police, or medical. Good by individual rights! Taxes is equal rights, everyone pays, everyone gets the help they need, everyone has education available, and so on. You not wanting to pay for the life you have, is your theft from us! And you deserve to sit in jail for theft! and being anti-equal rights (voluntarism)
@DecentralizedByGuilt Voluntaryism is not racism, voluntaryism is simply the nonaggression principle. Racism happens in both, statism and in freedom, but at least in freedom, people are encouraged to view each other as equals under the nonaggression principle. It's not as if everyone is the same, but at least viewed equally under the nonaggression principle. You do not have the "right" to point guns at peaceful people. If you have such a great idea, you can convince us to participate.
@mikeshanklin Yes, no system can rid the world of racism, or the so called seven deadly sins. Which makes no system full proof ie you will always have corruption, greed, etc Voluntarism, as I have explain over and over, allows for unregulated racism, and class warfare. If you don't want to help a black man, since you are a volunteer, you dont have to. This didnt work in the past here in the US, so we came up with a better way to combat racism and class warfare, which is taxes, affirmative action
@mikeshanklin No taxes, sucks up wealth from the lower class and puts it into the top wealthiest class. It's a bad idea, and the american people are not having any of it. We owe 14 trillion dollars mostly to foriegn central banks for the imports we consume. How are you going to pay that debt? How can you not keep from going into more debt, without balanced trade agreements?
@DecentralizedByGuilt Actually, no taxes means that people get what they deserve, what they work for. Who said there is only a certain amount of money in the world anyways?!? Like we can't create more wealth and prosperity.... Let me ask you a question?!? Who exactly is in debt?!? THE GOVERNMENT!!! and its because they are horrible with money. You are going to let these bastards steal money from peaceful people at gunpoint?!?!? The debt is not mine... nor is it yours. It is the enslavers....
@mikeshanklin You have no right to take away what the American people fought long and hard for. You cannot not forcefully abolish what other people want, and fought for, and have. You can dream all you want to. but it will never happen, because the American people fought long and hard to collectively care for each other. Everything you buy is foreign made. You create the debt. and worst of all you support going deeper into debt. IE free market scam. like the greed monger YOU ARE!
@DecentralizedByGuilt I don't want to "take anything away" from people, I want them to stop using aggressive violence on peaceful people who simply disagree. They do NOT have the right to point guns at peaceful people, they do not have the right to throw peaceful people in cages, they do NOT have the right to steal from peaceful people. I am against crime, and statism is a version of slavery. I never created 1 piece of debt, STATISTS IN THE BANKRUPT SYSTEM DID. How did I create debt?
@DecentralizedByGuilt So you are telling me we have had free markets?!?!?!? How can you have free markets in government?!? Please, tell me... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A FREE MARKET IS. A free market is IMPOSSIBLE in statism. You cannot have governments and a free market... are you starting to get it?!? I don't even see people in terms of skin color unlike your racist mindset... You want to tackle my peaceful grandma and threaten to shoot her?!? FUCK YOU!
@DecentralizedByGuilt So you are telling me we have had free markets?!?!?!? How can you have free markets in government?!? Please, tell me... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A FREE MARKET IS. A free market is IMPOSSIBLE in statism. You cannot have governments and a free market... are you starting to get it?!? I don't even see people in terms of skin color unlike your racist mindset... You want to tackle my peaceful grandma and threaten to shoot her?!? FUCK You!
@DecentralizedByGuilt So you are telling me we have had free markets?!?!?!? How can you have free markets in government?!? Please, tell me... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A FREE MARKET IS. A free market is IMPOSSIBLE in statism. You cannot have governments and a free market... are you starting to get it?!? I don't even see people in terms of skin color unlike your racist mindset... You want to tackle my peaceful grandma and threaten to shoot her?!?
@mikeshanklin I said you push for free market scams. You not push for balanced trade so that we dont go trillions of dollars in debt. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! no you dont, idiot!
@DecentralizedByGuilt I push for free market scams?!? Government IS the scam! You don't even understand where debt comes from. It comes from governments spending more than they collect in revenue. GOVERNMENTS are in debt, not people who simply trade. Balanced trade?!? What the hell does that even mean?!? People have the right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on others. People can trade with whoever they want, for whatever they want. THAT is where prosperity arises.
@mikeshanklin You are so naive and clueless. You keep making me say the same thing over and over, and yet you still dont get it. ridiculous! Put on your listening ears little kid. When a country imports far more then she exports. They go in debt. We owe billions of dollars to china, saudi, india, mexico, brazil, for the imports we consume. We're now at an anual trade debt of slightly over one trillion dollars a yr and growing.
@mikeshanklin Unless a country has balanced trade, they cannot ever have a strong economy. Unless of course they export more than they import, but then you have the problem of trying to collect. I'm all for bartering in my fatasy. Are you? Austrian economics is not for bartering, or balanced trading, it's a corperate rule all slave nations. One that you push for, but are so fucking stupid you dont even realise it. get a clue!
@DecentralizedByGuilt "Countries"/governments do not produce and trade things, people do. Debt comes from government overspending. Austrian economics IS all for barter,... or whatever you want to do as long as you don't infringe on others. How exactly does a country create "balanced trade"?!? You are a violent central planner, and all of your central planning is funded by theft, it threatens to tackle and throw PEACEFUL people in jail. There are no corporations in voluntaryism.
@mikeshanklin You want to violently force a system onto a people that do not want it. Thank goodness you do nothing at all to make it happen, because you dont know how to.
@mikeshanklin I'll try and explain trade nice and simple for you. Let's say you go to china and want to buy a 10 dollar rug. Since we dont have a one world currency, you have to go to china's exchange bank, and get their currency to by the rug. The person you bought the rug from buys nothing from you. China's central exchange bank now comes to the US central bank and checks on what the other guy bought from you, which is nothing. China is now stuck with your money, that is no good to them.
@mikeshanklin So they now carry an IOU. The debt you created. Had you sold the guy with the rug something of equal value, than the trade would have been balanced. but since you did not. you owe something of value to china. This is happening now, but on a large scale, the US imports far more than she exports, and is in huge debt to foriegn central exchange banks.
@mikeshanklin You created the debt, because you did not trade something of equal value, you had no balanced trade agreement. You are now in debt. and you foolishly wish to go even more in debt, by not having balanced trade agreements. You create the debt, you the consumer, not government!
@mikeshanklin People in government usually push for balanced trade agrements. but they have the corporations to fight. corporations that your ideology you sub to, free market, creates. You can say but corporations cant exist in your ideology, but that is not true at all, as I have already explained to you. Governments want jobs, they want a high GDP, it makes them look good. Greedy corperate mongers like what you promote, on;y care about themselves, the quick buck. at the expense of us.
@DecentralizedByGuilt Please, explain to me... how do government created corporations exist without the government licensing and protecting them?!?!? How can you have something created by government, when there is no government?!? Please explain to me how you believe government/statism corporations would exist without their father statism/government! I would like to know how corporations (government creations) would exist without the powers to make corporations?!?!?!?!?
@mikeshanklin The topic was why you create debt. because of unbalanced trade. Remember that!?! I will now repeat, again, the other part. Nothing in the system you wish to violently force onto a people that do not want it, will stop anyone from starting up a business and franchising. Only ti will be worse, without regulation. I agree we have a problem with special interest groups, conflict of interest, etc That doesnt change the fact your system allows for corporations to exist. Remember now!?!
@DecentralizedByGuilt Debt has nothing to do with private sector trade, it has to do with public sector DEBT! It has to do with overspending and bankrupting us. You won't even admit their is a difference between a corporation and a private business owner or you won't attempt to think about it. I fear not free market businesses, but government corporations that are given oligopolization powers through lobbying and special advantages. Government debt come from productive sector trade?!? LOL
@mikeshanklin You're wrong. Debt comes from unbalanced trade, spending overseas, aid, purchasing foreign labor, and companies. It doesn't matter if the private sector does it, a person on vacation. or a corporation with a government contract bid. The fact is we import more than we export, and that is where trade debt comes from. DUH! Look up economist Micheal Hudson, he explains this in detail.
@DecentralizedByGuilt How in the heck does GOVERNMENT debt come from people OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT who are in the productive sector?!? That makes no sense whatsoever. Government debt comes from government spending, not its rival,...the productive sector. Trade deficit?!? Is that what you are talking about?!? Government destroying jobs here at seas is what is causing that. Uncompetitive global tax rates, costly regulations, the government is the reason for the trade deficit AND their debt.
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foreign made. I have been talking about the trade deficit from the very start, duh. Because we have a debt based economy, fiat currency, fractional reserve banking. What the hell do you think the private person's money is? I already told you, if you buy a rug from china, and china doesnt buy one from us. because you used fiat currency, china still wants something of equal value for the rug. You have created the debt, you did not trade something of equal value.
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foreign made. I have been talking about the trade deficit from the very start, duh. Because we have a debt based economy, fiat currency, fractional reserve banking. What the hell do you think the private person's money is? I already told you, if you buy a rug from china, and china doesnt buy one from us. because you used fiat currency, china still wants something of equal value for the rug. You have created the debt, you did not trade something of equal value
~Oh, you still believe in nations and government borders and the rest of that racist and dividing stuff. I could care less what you call me, but I am not an American, nor any nationality, I am just another person... just like everyone else in the world...whether they want to admit it or not. The problem is statism with its government created Federal Reserves and the government DEBT and the fact that it uses violence on peaceful people.
@mikeshanklin You ignore the fact that you create the debt. You ignore the fact that your greed mongering trendy system you sub to, allows for mega corporations, unregulated, and no balanced trade. You create the debt. Voluntarism is racism at a much purer form, as I have already explained to you. People like you that fight for greedy mega corperate rule all IS THE PROBEM. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU DO NOTHING TO SOLVE ANYTHING. and the idiot ideals you sub to, are far worse than what we have now!
@DecentralizedByGuilt LOL, you still don't realize their is a difference between a trade deficit and government debt. How can I even take your seriously?!?
@mikeshanklin You're an idiot. We were talking about the trade deficit. the debt you create when by foriegn goods, dumb ass. And about having balanced trade agreement vs free market capitalism. and for your information the balanced in payment of deficits from foriegn banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes, finances the national debt, and wars abroad. You dont understand fractional reserve banking. You dont want balanced trading, so you bait and switch. How pathetic!
@mikeshanklin The system you sub to, the corperate rule all that allows for racism to thrive, because a volunteer doesnt have to help races outside of their own. You promote violence. You have no understanding in economics, this is why when you buy imports, you're financing 3 wars. You want no taxes because you want to suck up wealth from the lower class and give that wealth to the top wealthiest class. You're not anti-guns. You want people to buy guns to finance the military industrial complex
@DecentralizedByGuilt YOU support the governments that create the corporations. You create the AGGRESSIVE violence, NEVER me. Buying from people with different skin colors does not finance wars, government wars are create through GOVERNMENTS!!!! I want no taxes because taxation is THEFT!!! Buying guns from private individuals gives ZERO money to the military industrial complex. Get a clue...
@mikeshanklin I suport empowering the people to make laws, to be the government. like I told you before, I suport Direct Democracy. You're anti-voting. bec you want to silence the people! Paying taxes is to avoid the racism that volunteerism creates. we all chip in, so even the poor non whites can get an edgucation to. Even if you found someone that hand makes guns on their own. (which u have not) it's still a weapon of death and violence. you clueless retard.
@mikeshanklin When u buy slave labor products from the corporations you help create. you're not helping people of color, you racist idiot for even thinking in such terms. You should be boycotting those products and demanding other countries have fair wages. and worker rights. Not enslavement for you live off the backs of,
@mikeshanklin has you go deeper into debt, because you're so fucking stupid, you want to run up a world credit card, when you have no way of paying the debt. and the debt is what finances the wars, and government spending. you're so fucking stupid, it's pathetic!
@DecentralizedByGuilt You still don't get it, government DEBT does not come from the TRADE DEFICIT. What are you 3 years old?!? I am starting to think you must be a troll now because nobody is this fucking stupid. Run up a world credit card?!? That is what YOUR GOVERNMENTS have done, not the productive sector. HOW am I creating government debt WHEN I WANT NO GOVERNMENT?!?!? GOVERNMENTS fund wars, GOVERNMENTS create Federal Reserves... How the hell am I creating government debt?!?
@mikethetroll You don't understand how fractional reserve banking works. By foreign countries carrying US bonds and treasury notes, from trade debts, spending overseas, reserves, etc Is what finances the USD, fiat currency. This debt finances our national debt, and wars abroad. It's a debt that will never be paid. One backed only by military force. Not goods, because our goods have been priced out of the market. Because people want the employer to pay for their own health care & everything else.
@mikeshanklin Of course the reality of no regulation allows for anyone to start a business up and franchise. No regulation of trade, means you will never have a strong economy, ever. But you don't care about GDP anyway! *rolls eyes*
@DecentralizedByGuilt So let me get this straight... you need to point guns at peaceful people to have a strong economy?!? Please, help me understand... how does violence create prosperity?
@mikeshanklin You want to point guns at innocent people and remove worker/equal rights.
You promote corporations being able to import slave labor products, which happens to leave the US trillions of dollars in debt. The unbalanced trading you promote finances our national debt and wars abroad. You promote this because you are naive to how the world works. which is why you promote total corperate slavery, but seems to be to stubborn to admit this. but we both know the truth!
@DecentralizedByGuilt "You want to point guns at innocent people and remove worker/equal rights."
~You are completely incorrect once again... I do not want to point guns at anybody, and I believe most workers would be a millions times better than in your corporatist statism that the state always breeds. For the 1000th time, corporations as you know them today would NEVER exist in a free society/peaceful choice based society. Corporations are licensed, backed, and protected by the state.
@mikeshanklin You can pretend to be against corporations, but the fact of the matter is that without regulations and balanced trade agreements, you create mega corporations, that even today you cannot do anything about it, but dream in fantasy la la land that you dont like that in which your ideology creates. You promote corperate slavery, you empower them to buy the politicians we have now. YOU create this, and want more of it.
@DecentralizedByGuilt Explain something to me, how can you have a corporation with no state?!? IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! You don't even know the difference between a free market business and state corporatism and you think you can tell me what is what?!? You are just showing how little you actually know and it is rather embarrassing watching you get make a fool of yourself! YOU are PRO corporatism and don't even know it!!! HAHA, So pathetic...
@mikeshanklin Because you don't think long term outcomes. You dont educate anyone at all, you have no clue how the world works. And no clue what the long term outcome would be for the ideals you bought into. wake the hell up! There are better ways. Direct Democracy for one exmp. Balanced trade agreements and worker rights to remove corperate rule. Not capitalism on steriods like you push for!
@DecentralizedByGuilt DIRECT DEMOCRACY?!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!? I would NEVER use threats of aggressive violence on peaceful people, count me out of your slavery system. YOU don't understand the truth, the fact that peaceful people should have individual rights and not be mandated to by anyone else. How the hell are you to tell a peaceful person what to do?!? They are not your slave!!! You want to remove statist corporatism... get rid of statism completely. How about you end aggressive violence?!?
@mikeshanklin Being against the people representing themselves within the constitution. Is you wishing to silence the people. Lucky for us, 24 states already have direct democracy. Where real change takes place, vs you dreaming of how you wish the world was but it is not. Direct Democracy is how in CA the people vote on marijuana laws, clean air acts, gay marriage, and all types of individual liberties that do not infringe on anyone else's rights. I explained why voluntarism fails. u ignore it
@DecentralizedByGuilt YES, I am against "the people" representing themselves "within the constitution", because the constitution is an aggressive document that gives people the right to steal from other people. I am however, for people representing themselves(PERIOD). Not within any piece of "holy paper", but in the real world. 24 states have direct democracy?!? How can that be? They vote on when everyone can sneeze without voting on representatives?!? What bullshit, you are brainwashed.
@DecentralizedByGuilt and seriously, who gives a crap if something is made by a different human being,.... quit being such a fucking racist!!! I want to end all of your "point guns at peaceful people slavery" once and for all, not just give smaller slavery to a few people. You are fucking clueless, obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think corporations want a free market.... THERE IS A REASON CORPORATIONS LOVE STATISM, they are statism!!!
@mikeshanklin Nice debating skills lols! You're not getting it. Corporations that have trade contracts, the special interest groups, I'm sure they're happy making the short term fictitious wealth. Its fictitious because without balanced trade, the rest of the country goes deep into debt because we have a debt bassed monetary system. It has nothing to do with race. It's actualy racist for you to buy products with a debt that will never be paid.
@mikeshanklin China, for one example, would love for us to be able to pay them the 2 trillion dollars we owe them. Not in US dollars. but to pay them with something of value. (we dont have 2 trillion, let alone 14 trillion in gold/silver to pay our debt, in case you think that) Not more fiat debt ie the bonds and treasury notes you dont care about. pft!
@mikeshanklin If you think other corporations wouldnt love to be able to exploit foriegn resources, and foriegn labor, with unbalanced trade agreements that leave this country in a huge debt. You're living in a fantasy world. This is probably why you cant even hold a rational debate. and have no understanding in economics whatsoever.
@mikeshanklin You dont live in the real world, and of course, have no clue how it works. But the worst part is, you promote corperate greed mongering, slave labor for foreigners, but you're to niave to even know it!
@mikeshanklin This takes jobs away, and leaves the country deep in debt to foreign central banks. The idea that corporations could not exist in a free market is not even true. The unrestrained capitalism that you wish for, is what corporations dream for to. If it's true that you don't care about jobs for your fellow Americans. and do not care about going trillions of dollars in debt to foriegn central banks. Then all else you do say you care about, is meaningless.
@DecentralizedByGuilt What takes jobs away?!? Not pointing guns at peaceful people?!? How the fuck does that not take jobs away?!? What are you talking about, not caring about debt... YOU STATISTS are the reason we have debt in the first place, and statism slavery. Corporations are government created and protected entities, they would NOT exist without government fiat. Just free market businesses that have to compete in the market, no lobbying, no taxloopholes,.... YOU are the reason we are poor
@mikeshanklin Unbalanced trade agreements take jobs away and leaves this country with huge debts. Agian sir, no country can import far more than she exports and ever expect to have a strong economy with lots of jobs. It wouldnt matter what type of monetary system one has, or no money at all. You cannot keep importing far more than you export and ever expect to get ahead, or break even. It;' rather sad that I have to keep saying basic common sense over and over to you.
@DecentralizedByGuilt There is no such thing as a "balanced" trade agreement through government... real balanced trade comes from two parties mutually entering into agreements on their own without government violence and threats of aggression. What leaves debts is spending by governments, as all statism runs into debt as statism slavery drains the productive sector.... the voluntary sector. Again sir, I don't want any countries, and you are a violent protectionist who aids in corporatism...
anarchy (ˈænəkɪ) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. general lawlessness and disorder, esp when thought to result from an absence or failure of government
2. the absence or lack of government
3. the absence of any guiding or uniting principle; disorder; chaos
4. the theory or practice of political anarchism it means you don't even rule yourself wake up!! stop selling yourself out to a concept that you truly know no meaning of.
@cyrusunf Please explain... where is the oxymoron? In real Freedom, there would be no monopolized state militaries. No Kim Jong Ils, no Iran, no Hugo Chavez, No Bush and Cheneys..... just curious as to how you draw the conclusion in your statement. I am all ears. What exactly is the oxymoron? Can you show me the two sides that have a negative correlation? Peace
So supposedly, Anarcho-Capitalism is "freedom" because supports "freedom" to own private property. Even though the workers aren't free. But the argument here is that workers have the "freedom" to choose another boss/dictator. Ok, so I have a new form of anarchism and it's called Anarcho-Statism, which allows states "free" rule over social and economic affairs. If "Anarcho"-Capitalists hate their state/dictator, they can simply move to another state. We can make anything become "freedom" right?
@lukebutton In anarcho-capitalism, everybody is a worker. There are no freebies in a free society... and no one is forcing you to work for anybody else (unlike statism where people have to work for the collective (one boss)).
Why don't you just make a small start up company? Why not join one of the thousands of voluntary collectives that would inevitably arise in anarcho-capitalism? Why not just build your own collective inside anarcho-capitalism?
@mikeshanklin What if my small start up company doesn't make any money for the first 5 years? This means I have to work for an organization or company with a boss. There's no denying this. It'd be better for you to try to make a boss seem appealing rather than acting like a person wouldn't have to work for a boss, just because they attempt to start up a company on their own. If you don't have the resources, capital, or health to start a company, you'll be a wage slave. Stop denying this.
@lukebutton Maybe you need to prepare in case of an emergency? Just a thought... I wouldn't rely on anybody else to be there for you, although in a free society, I imagine lots of people would be... as there would be a lot more to go around.
@wmarcus1203 The Constitution is government... and believe me, most of us used to be HEAVY Constitutionalists... until we realized the truth about statism.... Anarchists are simply people who believe in 100% Freedom.
What...you don't believe in the infallible, all-mighty non-aggression principle?! You don't believe in the infallible, all-mighty invisible hand of the freemarket?! How dare you, you, you, STATIST!
Anarchism means ..without superiors ...nothing else, in the mass media they show some black dressed guys who smash some windows and call them Anarchists,...nothing could be further from the truth...therefore Anarchism had become almost the same as a synonym for destruction...... thank you for putting things right guys. add to my fav.
Anarchy is wrong. Civil government was created by God. So His people can have prosperity and peace. Wicked people have subverted their civil commission for selfish porposes. Anarchy is not the answer, good government is.
@Hughganaught i belive it when i see it,your goverment is so corrupted that all of the world suffers their greed.and w the fuck do you know what god did or not your just a human you dont know anything about god because you are not him
@minorpunker The only thing worse than corrupt government, is no government. There is a purpose for legit civil government. There is a role for government. The problem is, is most don't know what it is.
@Hughganaught so youre saying that the goverment has the rigth to do wharever it wants and is our obligation to just support without questioning???we cannot let the goverment run our lives,that why the goverment will always be corrupted they just want control, specially the U.S.A goverment
@minorpunker No. Civil authorities are obligated to God to act in a lawful and moral mannor. They are to provide the citizens with security and justice. NOthing more, nothing less. It is a convent between the people, civil authorites and God. But I assume that anarchests don't belive in God.
@Hughganaught somo of us do belive in god but you connot pretend that god is in the goverment.Goverment is human thing,The goverment cannot be link it with god because it represents a lot of people with different belives and it most be equal for everyone without exeption
@minorpunker All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Today's government is folled with wickedness, but civil government was inventecd by God. It can be occupied by those who honor the covenent or bu those who do not. Our 1st amendment was written by Christians who wanted their faith prottected, by allowing others theirs.
@Hughganaught exactly so if someone deciede not to belive in god they had to defend him as well,but you cannot be a part of the goverment if this one represent somethig that your not.and not just in the religions way but in ideology,politics, economics and a lot more. not all the people can thing the same thing tahts why i belive in an indivudual anarchy you get your rigths as an individual as long you respects others
@minorpunker No, we are in it together. We cannot have no rules for traffic. Traffic has to run by a set of rules for the safety of all. The same goes for civil government. Private property has to be protected. Murders exicuted. and so on.
exicuted murders}?? didnt jesus first teaching was about forgivness????and traffic is nopt a valid example because is based in common sense and the logic is a law we all have to follow,if you pass a red ligth problably youre gonna hit another car, but a goverment that decides whats best for an entire nation on who they live and fuck other countrys lifes is not logic, is just wicked
@minorpunker The Bible calls for capitol punishment for murder, rape and a few other crimes. God wants us to dispatch the guilty party to Him. He holds nations responsible if they don't. He expects justice for the murder victom (who is standing in front of him) He hears their cries. This is one reason why our country is in such a mess.
@Hughganaught so what the bible is just like the coran?????killing the infedels or people that just dont fit in your so precious society???? If thats true, your not different from other religion fanatics,youre delisional to think you that the goverment has the rigth to kill whoever they want
@Hughganaught exactly so if someone deciede not to belive in god they had to defend him as well,but you cannot be a part of the goverment if this one represent somethig that your not.and not just in the religions way but in ideology,politics, economics and a lot more. not all the people can thing the same thing thats why i belive in an indivudual anarchy you get your rigths as an individual as long you respects others
Mike whats your opinion on Anarcho-Syndicalism??
wiecek13 2 weeks ago
fuck the goverment!!!!!!
sesshy211 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
1:57 - They should not have been included in the video.
Unless he is mentally handicapped he really should have presented himself better.
wood9670 4 months ago
Proud Anarcho-Communist!
chekkitProductions 4 months ago
Too non specific Mike. You go on about systems you think are wrong but are short on answers of specificaly what you'd replace them with. It's cheap and easy to be against stuff, much much harder to say what you are for. Be specific, tell us what are you for. Taxation is theft? For instance, can volunteer departments can protect big cities? If you think so show us how it's funded. Be specific. Same thing with roads, bridges, education. Who do you call if attacted? Your ideas are superficial.
jackhammer111 5 months ago
@jackhammer111 I have a video about dispute resolution organizations (the future) coming out soon. Remember, I have 2 jobs and play hard as well....
mikeshanklin 5 months ago 5
@jackhammer111 Thats the thing, most of us don't know how Private fire departments would work nor can we, that would be like asking someone 30 years ago to describe what they think an iPhone would be. The Market is a complex thing that has many influences, unfortunately us "Voluntarists" can't tell people what will happen. We can't give them a plan, we can guess but that's it. I think that's the allure of central planning to people, there is always someone with an answer.
VatZeEll 4 months ago
@VatZeEll "that would be like asking someone 30 years ago to describe what they think an iPhone would be." No, it would not be like that. It was a really dumb thing to say. What is OBVIOUS is that pro fire departments replaced volunteer forces because they were OBVIOUSLY better. no insult to volunteer firemen. I know some want be firemen so bad they'd do it for nothing....while they get the experience and pay for training so they can get a paying job at a professional fire house.
jackhammer111 4 months ago
Respond to this video... So, the allure of central planning is that you don't have to bother think up, researching and source a plans to back your idea. How nice. How convenient. That's the answer to any question people have about how you would do things, and the "the market is a complex thing" one. So easy a cave man could do it. No critical thinking skills needed. You are not smarter than the people you criticize. I want someone smarter than the guy now doing it to try and change it.
jackhammer111 4 months ago
@jackhammer111 It's not hard to find someone smarter than the politicians who point guns at others. Hell, they have a violent monopoly. That doesn't require brains, just corruption... Not sure what you are trying to get at with the rest of this.... you honestly believe that you have to use violence on peaceful people to have prosperity?!? Doesn't sound very smart to me... why do you look to everyone else to tell you what to do?!?
mikeshanklin 4 months ago
@jackhammer111 I mean an answer like a specific way a things going to be done, like the Fire Dept will be set up like x and will get y dollars in funding. Those are the answers that central planners have. The market is very decentralized and has many different answers, and only those answers that benefit the most people the best are the ones that are accepted.
So are you not smarter than me?
VatZeEll 4 months ago
@jackhammer111 He is arguing that a hierarchical coercive statist monopoly on force from a central authority is immoral, and so you want him to become one or you will levy ad hominem attacks against him. He is not within his rights to force his solution upon you. That's the point. And what you are doing is called begging the question. Let me respond with a question of my own: Who do you call when someone points a loaded gun at your head and robs you when that someone is called the Government?
getsetrecords 3 months ago
Humans are driven by the natural forces of desire and self appeasement. Anarchy is the natural result of these forces. Once we become an ism or an ist we become part of collective action. Like communism, capitalism, state-ism, catholicism or ANARCHISM, we have abandoned our individuality to join forces to appease our desires.
This takes us to another natural force, clan behavior. Clan behavior is spontaneous, like victims of disaster. Individual appeasement depends on the group survival.
zenabowli 5 months ago
Thanks to all the individuals who helped me create this!
mikeshanklin 5 months ago 4
Anarchy: essentially a denial of any responsibility, based on the murder of words.
samheingreystar2 5 months ago
@samheingreystar2 Responsibility is the backbone of self-ownership/Freedom.
mikeshanklin 4 months ago 3
yes I am an Anarchist Capitalist... I believe in Liberty... No ... I know Liberty is the only way...
Freedom for the individual to believe in and do whatever they want, without impeding the liberty of others, is liberty.
Regardless of the ideals a majority believes in, they do not have the right to force them on others.
Liberty is the right to do it wrong. Liberty is the freedom to make mistakes.
The breath of Liberty inhales tolerance and exhales forgiveness.
batfly 5 months ago
I posted a video response that explains what I just said. watch it
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt I already know that your statist system's Federal Reserve and all government central banks are horrible... so why do you want to keep the Federal Reserve's dad?!? ....Government?!? Why would you want to keep statism slavery around so it can build licensed and protected corporations?!? Why would you want to keep around this slavery system of aggressive violence on peaceful people?!? Why trap us into statism and its central planning?!?
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin You dont know jack shit homeboy. This is why I had to explain over and over to you the importance of balanced trading. You still dont get, becuase you sub to a system that doesnt care about balanced trading, which is why you have been so clueless about it. You dont participate in changing the system at all. You refuse to take part. you are a waste of time. a do nothing waste of time and you are a victim. you been manipulated by your market worshipping masters of greed.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Please, explain how VOLUNTARYISM creates unbalanced trade... How does anarchy/freedom create unbalanced trade?!? If everyone is free to trade whatever they want, regardless of what governments want, then have is that unbalanced?!? It's not or else the trade would not take place. YOU are the one stuck in statism slavery. You threaten aggressive violence on peaceful people, not me. You create the governments which create corporations and debt. YOUR SLAVERY is to blame, not me
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
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@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
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@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mike Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
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@mikeshan Everything you buy is foriegn made. You create the debt. If you traded something of equal value, you dont end up with a debt. The debt exist because your currency is no good in the country you buy your daily needs from. It's called a trade deficit. The debt is carried by foreign central banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes. This balance in payment for trade deficit is what finances our national debt and wars abroad
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. you create the debt. you're not trading something of equal value. Voluntarism allows for racism to thrive. It's class warfare. Those that can afford to pay up, donate, are the ones that will get help from the voluntary police, fire department, and voluntary, and or private, schooling. You cater only to your rich elite masters.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foriegn made. you create the debt. you're not trading something of equal value. Voluntarism allows for racism to thrive. It's class warfare. Those that can afford to pay up, donate, are the ones that will get help from the voluntary police, fire department, and voluntary, and or private, schooling. You cater only to your rich elite masters only.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin You promote gun violence because you fully suport buying guns from the military industrial complex (weapons manufactures) The fact that I have to repeat myself over and over to you. Shows that you sir, are incapable of learning. good bye
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Uh huh, and how do I (a person who is against the military industrial complex) buy guns from the military industrial complex?!? Once again, you mean to say the GOVERNMENT IS the military industrial complex and that YOU support governments that made the military industrial complex. I am against and do not support the military industrial complex one bit. YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES!!! I have never bought one thing from them, unlike you who created them.
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt @DecentralizedByGuilt Uh huh, and how do I (a person who is against the military industrial complex) buy guns from the military industrial complex?!? Once again, you mean to say the GOVERNMENT IS the military industrial complex and that YOU support governments that made the military industrial complex. I am against and do not support the military industrial complex one bit. YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES!!! I have never bought one thing from them, unlike you who created them.
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
this vid is a GREAT introduction. i also reccomend "Fighting for our lives : An anarchist primer" by crimethinc.co m/texts
WAGESLAVEesc 6 months ago
I Shiit in NutJob Mouth holes.
SkuIICrusherGhost 6 months ago
@SkuIICrusherGhost What makes a person a nutjob?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
these guys are a bunch of idiots. market worshipping TOOLS of greed
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt What is the market? We are actually for a FREE market, not just any market. We believe people have the right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on others. This means that peaceful people can do whatever they want. That IS a free market, where voluntaryism trumps aggressive coercion. Do you actually believe we already live in a free market?!? How can that be with government in just about everything?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin The free market is a stupid idea. What that means is you don't want to tax imports. Mom and pop stores cannot compete with foreign slave labor wages. bye bye jobs. This open free trade frenzy for the corporations (you wish didnt exist, but they do) is unbalanced trading. Meaning the US goes into huge debt from having a low GDP. This debt is carried by US bonds and treasury notes, it finances our national debt and wars abroad. And it's a debt we have no way of paying.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Free market means don't infringe on others... that is all. In fact, a true free market would have no corporations as corporations are government created, licensed, backed, and protected. They would not exist in a free market. Furthermore, I call for individual rights for the entire world, not just people who live close to me. I could careless about GDPs, US bonds, or anything related to statism. I care about individual rights/personal freedom... the nonaggression principle.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin I'm not talking about your fantasy la la dream world. I'm talking about the actual world you live in. The US imports far more than she exports. We're up to around a trillion dollars a year in trade debts to foreign central banks, and growing. We need balanced trade agreements. No country, or individual, can keep on importing more that she exports and ever expect to get ahead. Everything you buy is foriegn made.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt YOU are living in statist dreamland, where government can fix all these problems it created.... that is total bullshit, and you putting words in my mouth, and jumping to conclusions only makes you look like the dumbass... not me. I DON'T WANT ANY CENTRAL BANKS AT ALL!!! YOU DO, obviously, if you want to keep statism slavery around. How about you keep your fucking hands to yourself and stop infringing on peaceful people?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin I missed some of your ridiculous comments. Again sir. I'm not talking about how you wish the world was but it is most certiantly not. I'm talking about the way the world is, not fantasy bullshit la la dream land!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt No, you really do live in lala land where you believe tyrants have your concerns at the top of their list, that is a bullshit fantasy and a dangerous one. All governments have are threats of aggressive violence on peaceful people who simply disagree, you just don't seem to understand this fact.... that you are a slavedriver, not freedom.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Just shut the fuck up with your programmed media tool words you stupid knuckle fuck. We had been discussing economics, and your failed to understand basic economic sense.
you- I'm for freedom, I'm anti statist, all governments want to stick a gun in my face and make me pay taxes which is extortion bla bla bla I'm a media whore incapable of understanding the way the world is. so I hide my head in a la la fantasy ass bullshit, instead of actually trying to do something about it!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt what have I said that is not factual? Are you saying taxation is always voluntary?!? You can't be THAT stupid...
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You have little understanding in economics on the world market. You dont live in the real world. In fact you hate this world. but are to dumb to do anthing about it. And the reason is because the little group think you regurgitate old ideologies from, are so flawed on so many levels, that any intelligent person is not going to go for your stolen regurgitated fantasy la la land of how a few wish the world was like, but it is not.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin and no one in their right mind should want total corperate slavery that young punk kids following trends in, like YOU, but are just to stupid to even realise it. You dumb ass
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt, why are you so aggressive? If you believe complete liberty is so stupid then why are you wasting your time even engaging us? Certainly an individual of your intellect has more important concerns.
wood9670 6 months ago
@wood9670 Read the comments, follow the dialogue. We're were having a normal debate. The kid was losing it, and so he flipped out.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@wood9670 Your group think is not for liberty at all. You've been lied to. It's not a problem because your group is not a real threat. You guys will never be powerful dictators that can remove everything the american people fought long and hard for. There's no place in the 21 century for you, and your ilk. We have a history full of racism and class warfare disguised as voluntarism. Intelligent people will not fall for that corperate trick no longer. wake up!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt "It's not a problem because your group is not a real threat."
~Nor do we want to be "a threat". We simply want to educate people out of aggressive violence on peaceful people, not fearmonger MORE people into statism slavery.... like you.
No place for individual rights in the 21st century?!? Why do you say that?!? I am personally against racism, but I am ALSO against using violence on racists who have never infringed on another person.... Oh, and we are against corporations
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin By threat I mean any form of anarcism will never be implemented in the US. because you do away with individual rights. That's what voluntarism is. It's class and race warfare. If one cant pay up (donate) to the fire department, for an example, their house burns down and people die violent deaths because of YOU! Our own history is full of such failures that you naively wish to bring back.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt ANARCHISM IS INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!!! It's when you get rid of forced collectivism.... Anarchy is simply the lack of slavery... as if individual rights comes from anti-individual rights statism slavery, you have no idea what anarchy truly is... In all reality, statism has brought more theft, war, and abuse to the world than peace and individual rights (anarchy) ever will... but you keep on believing the bullshit mainstream definition.... whatever.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin NO IT IS NOT!! Just because you say something, that does NOT mean it is true. You are NOT thinking in long term, or even short term effects. When you do away with worker rights. THAT IS SLAVERY!!! and it allows for RACISM! same with volunteerism. Voluntary police, or firemen, can choose what race they want to volunteer to help. but you keep on believe your little tiny group think!
So tell me boy genius, if you can get rid of all corporations, why cant you do it now?
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt The earth is covered with statism, all over it... and racism is still everywhere!!! Why can't you cope with the fact that pointing guns at people who have never infringed on others is not a sustainable path to peace and prosperity?!? That it is just the opposite!!!
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikecunt It's very sad that you wish to take away what the american people fought long and hard to have with our taxes. That no one is going broke from paying. You take for granted the fact that taxes have made you who you are today. You have no viable solutions for anything, and no way to even begin to implement your destruction of individual rights, as you promote total state slavery corporatism. It's getting funny that you ignore points being made, and switch to media whore words.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt It's a shame so many people are deluded into the ideal that forced collectivism is what is necessary for prosperity and peace when it does the exact opposite. Sad these people were fooled into a version of slavery, that they died for a lie. I have a video coming out Thursday that will help people see a taste of voluntaryism. Once again, there would be no corporations in voluntaryism, as corporations are government licensed and protected.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You want to force an ideology onto the world, but you have no idea how to make it happen. This system is set up for change, and we are seeing change. But not from you, you refuse to take the actual steps to implement your own goals, which is very shameful of you. We also have a history of people dying violent deaths because of voluntarism. You ignore history and wish to repeat it, in la la dream land only. What laws would u like to see to end corporations?
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt I don't want to force anything, and the way to spread anything (like Gandhi did) is through education. No statist system is setup for change, statism is anti-change. It doesn't want to change away from controlling other peaceful people, that is what it thrives on. Another thing, who in history died because of peace and voluntaryism?!?!? You are making no sense whatsoever and it is getting really old. You don't get it, statist laws are what made corporations...
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mike Laws come about from pubic outcry, this system is set up for change FACT! CA changed it's marijunna laws, women can vote now, slavery for blacks is outlawed. we are seeing more change as well, open your eyes up! The ideology you would like to force onto this country does in fact allow for corporations to exist FACT! I already told you who died from te racist/class warfare called voluntarism, try listening for once! Your idea of education is telling people things that are not true.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Please explain... how can corporations (firms that are government licensed and protected) still exist in voluntaryism without government licensing and protectionism?!?
Are you telling me people can just freely trade cannabis in California?!? You are telling me that taxation is not theft? That statism is not threats of aggressive coercion on peaceful people who simply disagree?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin I'll entertain the fantasy that not enough people care about and it will never become a reality, especially since you, and yours, are doing nothing at all to make it a reality, because you dont now how to. Thanks goodness for that! The majority doesnt want idiot ideals forced onto them!
You allow anyone to start up a business and franchise, like I already told you! You wont even regulated trade, so you will always be in debt, surrounded by mega corporations!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Voluntarism is racism and class warfare, those who can't afford to pay up. May not get help from the voluntary fire department, police, or medical. Good by individual rights! Taxes is equal rights, everyone pays, everyone gets the help they need, everyone has education available, and so on. You not wanting to pay for the life you have, is your theft from us! And you deserve to sit in jail for theft! and being anti-equal rights (voluntarism)
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Voluntaryism is not racism, voluntaryism is simply the nonaggression principle. Racism happens in both, statism and in freedom, but at least in freedom, people are encouraged to view each other as equals under the nonaggression principle. It's not as if everyone is the same, but at least viewed equally under the nonaggression principle. You do not have the "right" to point guns at peaceful people. If you have such a great idea, you can convince us to participate.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Yes, no system can rid the world of racism, or the so called seven deadly sins. Which makes no system full proof ie you will always have corruption, greed, etc Voluntarism, as I have explain over and over, allows for unregulated racism, and class warfare. If you don't want to help a black man, since you are a volunteer, you dont have to. This didnt work in the past here in the US, so we came up with a better way to combat racism and class warfare, which is taxes, affirmative action
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin No taxes, sucks up wealth from the lower class and puts it into the top wealthiest class. It's a bad idea, and the american people are not having any of it. We owe 14 trillion dollars mostly to foriegn central banks for the imports we consume. How are you going to pay that debt? How can you not keep from going into more debt, without balanced trade agreements?
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Actually, no taxes means that people get what they deserve, what they work for. Who said there is only a certain amount of money in the world anyways?!? Like we can't create more wealth and prosperity.... Let me ask you a question?!? Who exactly is in debt?!? THE GOVERNMENT!!! and its because they are horrible with money. You are going to let these bastards steal money from peaceful people at gunpoint?!?!? The debt is not mine... nor is it yours. It is the enslavers....
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You have no right to take away what the American people fought long and hard for. You cannot not forcefully abolish what other people want, and fought for, and have. You can dream all you want to. but it will never happen, because the American people fought long and hard to collectively care for each other. Everything you buy is foreign made. You create the debt. and worst of all you support going deeper into debt. IE free market scam. like the greed monger YOU ARE!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt I don't want to "take anything away" from people, I want them to stop using aggressive violence on peaceful people who simply disagree. They do NOT have the right to point guns at peaceful people, they do not have the right to throw peaceful people in cages, they do NOT have the right to steal from peaceful people. I am against crime, and statism is a version of slavery. I never created 1 piece of debt, STATISTS IN THE BANKRUPT SYSTEM DID. How did I create debt?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt So you are telling me we have had free markets?!?!?!? How can you have free markets in government?!? Please, tell me... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A FREE MARKET IS. A free market is IMPOSSIBLE in statism. You cannot have governments and a free market... are you starting to get it?!? I don't even see people in terms of skin color unlike your racist mindset... You want to tackle my peaceful grandma and threaten to shoot her?!? FUCK YOU!
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt So you are telling me we have had free markets?!?!?!? How can you have free markets in government?!? Please, tell me... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A FREE MARKET IS. A free market is IMPOSSIBLE in statism. You cannot have governments and a free market... are you starting to get it?!? I don't even see people in terms of skin color unlike your racist mindset... You want to tackle my peaceful grandma and threaten to shoot her?!? FUCK You!
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt So you are telling me we have had free markets?!?!?!? How can you have free markets in government?!? Please, tell me... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A FREE MARKET IS. A free market is IMPOSSIBLE in statism. You cannot have governments and a free market... are you starting to get it?!? I don't even see people in terms of skin color unlike your racist mindset... You want to tackle my peaceful grandma and threaten to shoot her?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin I said you push for free market scams. You not push for balanced trade so that we dont go trillions of dollars in debt. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! no you dont, idiot!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt I push for free market scams?!? Government IS the scam! You don't even understand where debt comes from. It comes from governments spending more than they collect in revenue. GOVERNMENTS are in debt, not people who simply trade. Balanced trade?!? What the hell does that even mean?!? People have the right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on others. People can trade with whoever they want, for whatever they want. THAT is where prosperity arises.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You are so naive and clueless. You keep making me say the same thing over and over, and yet you still dont get it. ridiculous! Put on your listening ears little kid. When a country imports far more then she exports. They go in debt. We owe billions of dollars to china, saudi, india, mexico, brazil, for the imports we consume. We're now at an anual trade debt of slightly over one trillion dollars a yr and growing.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Unless a country has balanced trade, they cannot ever have a strong economy. Unless of course they export more than they import, but then you have the problem of trying to collect. I'm all for bartering in my fatasy. Are you? Austrian economics is not for bartering, or balanced trading, it's a corperate rule all slave nations. One that you push for, but are so fucking stupid you dont even realise it. get a clue!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt "Countries"/governments do not produce and trade things, people do. Debt comes from government overspending. Austrian economics IS all for barter,... or whatever you want to do as long as you don't infringe on others. How exactly does a country create "balanced trade"?!? You are a violent central planner, and all of your central planning is funded by theft, it threatens to tackle and throw PEACEFUL people in jail. There are no corporations in voluntaryism.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You want to violently force a system onto a people that do not want it. Thank goodness you do nothing at all to make it happen, because you dont know how to.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin I'll try and explain trade nice and simple for you. Let's say you go to china and want to buy a 10 dollar rug. Since we dont have a one world currency, you have to go to china's exchange bank, and get their currency to by the rug. The person you bought the rug from buys nothing from you. China's central exchange bank now comes to the US central bank and checks on what the other guy bought from you, which is nothing. China is now stuck with your money, that is no good to them.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin So they now carry an IOU. The debt you created. Had you sold the guy with the rug something of equal value, than the trade would have been balanced. but since you did not. you owe something of value to china. This is happening now, but on a large scale, the US imports far more than she exports, and is in huge debt to foriegn central exchange banks.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You created the debt, because you did not trade something of equal value, you had no balanced trade agreement. You are now in debt. and you foolishly wish to go even more in debt, by not having balanced trade agreements. You create the debt, you the consumer, not government!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin People in government usually push for balanced trade agrements. but they have the corporations to fight. corporations that your ideology you sub to, free market, creates. You can say but corporations cant exist in your ideology, but that is not true at all, as I have already explained to you. Governments want jobs, they want a high GDP, it makes them look good. Greedy corperate mongers like what you promote, on;y care about themselves, the quick buck. at the expense of us.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Please, explain to me... how do government created corporations exist without the government licensing and protecting them?!?!? How can you have something created by government, when there is no government?!? Please explain to me how you believe government/statism corporations would exist without their father statism/government! I would like to know how corporations (government creations) would exist without the powers to make corporations?!?!?!?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin The topic was why you create debt. because of unbalanced trade. Remember that!?! I will now repeat, again, the other part. Nothing in the system you wish to violently force onto a people that do not want it, will stop anyone from starting up a business and franchising. Only ti will be worse, without regulation. I agree we have a problem with special interest groups, conflict of interest, etc That doesnt change the fact your system allows for corporations to exist. Remember now!?!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Debt has nothing to do with private sector trade, it has to do with public sector DEBT! It has to do with overspending and bankrupting us. You won't even admit their is a difference between a corporation and a private business owner or you won't attempt to think about it. I fear not free market businesses, but government corporations that are given oligopolization powers through lobbying and special advantages. Government debt come from productive sector trade?!? LOL
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin You're wrong. Debt comes from unbalanced trade, spending overseas, aid, purchasing foreign labor, and companies. It doesn't matter if the private sector does it, a person on vacation. or a corporation with a government contract bid. The fact is we import more than we export, and that is where trade debt comes from. DUH! Look up economist Micheal Hudson, he explains this in detail.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt How in the heck does GOVERNMENT debt come from people OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT who are in the productive sector?!? That makes no sense whatsoever. Government debt comes from government spending, not its rival,...the productive sector. Trade deficit?!? Is that what you are talking about?!? Government destroying jobs here at seas is what is causing that. Uncompetitive global tax rates, costly regulations, the government is the reason for the trade deficit AND their debt.
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foreign made. I have been talking about the trade deficit from the very start, duh. Because we have a debt based economy, fiat currency, fractional reserve banking. What the hell do you think the private person's money is? I already told you, if you buy a rug from china, and china doesnt buy one from us. because you used fiat currency, china still wants something of equal value for the rug. You have created the debt, you did not trade something of equal value.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin Everything you buy is foreign made. I have been talking about the trade deficit from the very start, duh. Because we have a debt based economy, fiat currency, fractional reserve banking. What the hell do you think the private person's money is? I already told you, if you buy a rug from china, and china doesnt buy one from us. because you used fiat currency, china still wants something of equal value for the rug. You have created the debt, you did not trade something of equal value
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt "Everything you buy is foreign made."
~Oh, you still believe in nations and government borders and the rest of that racist and dividing stuff. I could care less what you call me, but I am not an American, nor any nationality, I am just another person... just like everyone else in the world...whether they want to admit it or not. The problem is statism with its government created Federal Reserves and the government DEBT and the fact that it uses violence on peaceful people.
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin You ignore the fact that you create the debt. You ignore the fact that your greed mongering trendy system you sub to, allows for mega corporations, unregulated, and no balanced trade. You create the debt. Voluntarism is racism at a much purer form, as I have already explained to you. People like you that fight for greedy mega corperate rule all IS THE PROBEM. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU DO NOTHING TO SOLVE ANYTHING. and the idiot ideals you sub to, are far worse than what we have now!
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt LOL, you still don't realize their is a difference between a trade deficit and government debt. How can I even take your seriously?!?
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin You're an idiot. We were talking about the trade deficit. the debt you create when by foriegn goods, dumb ass. And about having balanced trade agreement vs free market capitalism. and for your information the balanced in payment of deficits from foriegn banks in the form of US bonds and treasury notes, finances the national debt, and wars abroad. You dont understand fractional reserve banking. You dont want balanced trading, so you bait and switch. How pathetic!
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt when buying* foriegn goods. who's the dumb ass now lol
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt I have no guilt interacting with all people. Quit pointing guns at peaceful people... you are lost man, this is going nowhere.
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin The system you sub to, the corperate rule all that allows for racism to thrive, because a volunteer doesnt have to help races outside of their own. You promote violence. You have no understanding in economics, this is why when you buy imports, you're financing 3 wars. You want no taxes because you want to suck up wealth from the lower class and give that wealth to the top wealthiest class. You're not anti-guns. You want people to buy guns to finance the military industrial complex
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt YOU support the governments that create the corporations. You create the AGGRESSIVE violence, NEVER me. Buying from people with different skin colors does not finance wars, government wars are create through GOVERNMENTS!!!! I want no taxes because taxation is THEFT!!! Buying guns from private individuals gives ZERO money to the military industrial complex. Get a clue...
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin I suport empowering the people to make laws, to be the government. like I told you before, I suport Direct Democracy. You're anti-voting. bec you want to silence the people! Paying taxes is to avoid the racism that volunteerism creates. we all chip in, so even the poor non whites can get an edgucation to. Even if you found someone that hand makes guns on their own. (which u have not) it's still a weapon of death and violence. you clueless retard.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin When u buy slave labor products from the corporations you help create. you're not helping people of color, you racist idiot for even thinking in such terms. You should be boycotting those products and demanding other countries have fair wages. and worker rights. Not enslavement for you live off the backs of,
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin has you go deeper into debt, because you're so fucking stupid, you want to run up a world credit card, when you have no way of paying the debt. and the debt is what finances the wars, and government spending. you're so fucking stupid, it's pathetic!
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt You still don't get it, government DEBT does not come from the TRADE DEFICIT. What are you 3 years old?!? I am starting to think you must be a troll now because nobody is this fucking stupid. Run up a world credit card?!? That is what YOUR GOVERNMENTS have done, not the productive sector. HOW am I creating government debt WHEN I WANT NO GOVERNMENT?!?!? GOVERNMENTS fund wars, GOVERNMENTS create Federal Reserves... How the hell am I creating government debt?!?
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikethetroll You don't understand how fractional reserve banking works. By foreign countries carrying US bonds and treasury notes, from trade debts, spending overseas, reserves, etc Is what finances the USD, fiat currency. This debt finances our national debt, and wars abroad. It's a debt that will never be paid. One backed only by military force. Not goods, because our goods have been priced out of the market. Because people want the employer to pay for their own health care & everything else.
DecentralizedByGuilt 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin Of course the reality of no regulation allows for anyone to start a business up and franchise. No regulation of trade, means you will never have a strong economy, ever. But you don't care about GDP anyway! *rolls eyes*
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt So let me get this straight... you need to point guns at peaceful people to have a strong economy?!? Please, help me understand... how does violence create prosperity?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You want to point guns at innocent people and remove worker/equal rights.
You promote corporations being able to import slave labor products, which happens to leave the US trillions of dollars in debt. The unbalanced trading you promote finances our national debt and wars abroad. You promote this because you are naive to how the world works. which is why you promote total corperate slavery, but seems to be to stubborn to admit this. but we both know the truth!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt "You want to point guns at innocent people and remove worker/equal rights."
~You are completely incorrect once again... I do not want to point guns at anybody, and I believe most workers would be a millions times better than in your corporatist statism that the state always breeds. For the 1000th time, corporations as you know them today would NEVER exist in a free society/peaceful choice based society. Corporations are licensed, backed, and protected by the state.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You can pretend to be against corporations, but the fact of the matter is that without regulations and balanced trade agreements, you create mega corporations, that even today you cannot do anything about it, but dream in fantasy la la land that you dont like that in which your ideology creates. You promote corperate slavery, you empower them to buy the politicians we have now. YOU create this, and want more of it.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt Explain something to me, how can you have a corporation with no state?!? IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! You don't even know the difference between a free market business and state corporatism and you think you can tell me what is what?!? You are just showing how little you actually know and it is rather embarrassing watching you get make a fool of yourself! YOU are PRO corporatism and don't even know it!!! HAHA, So pathetic...
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Because you don't think long term outcomes. You dont educate anyone at all, you have no clue how the world works. And no clue what the long term outcome would be for the ideals you bought into. wake the hell up! There are better ways. Direct Democracy for one exmp. Balanced trade agreements and worker rights to remove corperate rule. Not capitalism on steriods like you push for!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt DIRECT DEMOCRACY?!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!? I would NEVER use threats of aggressive violence on peaceful people, count me out of your slavery system. YOU don't understand the truth, the fact that peaceful people should have individual rights and not be mandated to by anyone else. How the hell are you to tell a peaceful person what to do?!? They are not your slave!!! You want to remove statist corporatism... get rid of statism completely. How about you end aggressive violence?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Being against the people representing themselves within the constitution. Is you wishing to silence the people. Lucky for us, 24 states already have direct democracy. Where real change takes place, vs you dreaming of how you wish the world was but it is not. Direct Democracy is how in CA the people vote on marijuana laws, clean air acts, gay marriage, and all types of individual liberties that do not infringe on anyone else's rights. I explained why voluntarism fails. u ignore it
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt YES, I am against "the people" representing themselves "within the constitution", because the constitution is an aggressive document that gives people the right to steal from other people. I am however, for people representing themselves(PERIOD). Not within any piece of "holy paper", but in the real world. 24 states have direct democracy?!? How can that be? They vote on when everyone can sneeze without voting on representatives?!? What bullshit, you are brainwashed.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
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@mikeshanklin "these guys are a bunch of idiots. market worshipping TOOLS of greed"
and I completly proved that point beyond any doubt at all. and so you switched the topic, and start crying like the little bitch you are. YOU FAIL
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt and seriously, who gives a crap if something is made by a different human being,.... quit being such a fucking racist!!! I want to end all of your "point guns at peaceful people slavery" once and for all, not just give smaller slavery to a few people. You are fucking clueless, obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think corporations want a free market.... THERE IS A REASON CORPORATIONS LOVE STATISM, they are statism!!!
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Nice debating skills lols! You're not getting it. Corporations that have trade contracts, the special interest groups, I'm sure they're happy making the short term fictitious wealth. Its fictitious because without balanced trade, the rest of the country goes deep into debt because we have a debt bassed monetary system. It has nothing to do with race. It's actualy racist for you to buy products with a debt that will never be paid.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin China, for one example, would love for us to be able to pay them the 2 trillion dollars we owe them. Not in US dollars. but to pay them with something of value. (we dont have 2 trillion, let alone 14 trillion in gold/silver to pay our debt, in case you think that) Not more fiat debt ie the bonds and treasury notes you dont care about. pft!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin If you think other corporations wouldnt love to be able to exploit foriegn resources, and foriegn labor, with unbalanced trade agreements that leave this country in a huge debt. You're living in a fantasy world. This is probably why you cant even hold a rational debate. and have no understanding in economics whatsoever.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin You dont live in the real world, and of course, have no clue how it works. But the worst part is, you promote corperate greed mongering, slave labor for foreigners, but you're to niave to even know it!
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin This takes jobs away, and leaves the country deep in debt to foreign central banks. The idea that corporations could not exist in a free market is not even true. The unrestrained capitalism that you wish for, is what corporations dream for to. If it's true that you don't care about jobs for your fellow Americans. and do not care about going trillions of dollars in debt to foriegn central banks. Then all else you do say you care about, is meaningless.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt What takes jobs away?!? Not pointing guns at peaceful people?!? How the fuck does that not take jobs away?!? What are you talking about, not caring about debt... YOU STATISTS are the reason we have debt in the first place, and statism slavery. Corporations are government created and protected entities, they would NOT exist without government fiat. Just free market businesses that have to compete in the market, no lobbying, no taxloopholes,.... YOU are the reason we are poor
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin Unbalanced trade agreements take jobs away and leaves this country with huge debts. Agian sir, no country can import far more than she exports and ever expect to have a strong economy with lots of jobs. It wouldnt matter what type of monetary system one has, or no money at all. You cannot keep importing far more than you export and ever expect to get ahead, or break even. It;' rather sad that I have to keep saying basic common sense over and over to you.
DecentralizedByGuilt 6 months ago
@DecentralizedByGuilt There is no such thing as a "balanced" trade agreement through government... real balanced trade comes from two parties mutually entering into agreements on their own without government violence and threats of aggression. What leaves debts is spending by governments, as all statism runs into debt as statism slavery drains the productive sector.... the voluntary sector. Again sir, I don't want any countries, and you are a violent protectionist who aids in corporatism...
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
OMG "ANARCHY IS LOVE"??? WTF... LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORDS BEFORE YOU SAY SUCH THINGS..... DELUSIONAL!!!..
rremsiJackson 6 months ago
@rremsiJackson
Anarchy: "Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal."
Sounds like a love for individual rights to me...
mikeshanklin 6 months ago 5
anarchy is a poor term for it. It should be called naturalism.
labartic 6 months ago
"without ruler" means WITHOUT RULER
anarchy (ˈænəkɪ) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. general lawlessness and disorder, esp when thought to result from an absence or failure of government
2. the absence or lack of government
3. the absence of any guiding or uniting principle; disorder; chaos
4. the theory or practice of political anarchism it means you don't even rule yourself wake up!! stop selling yourself out to a concept that you truly know no meaning of.
rremsiJackson 6 months ago
anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron on the level of military intelligence
cyrusunf 6 months ago
@cyrusunf Please explain... where is the oxymoron? In real Freedom, there would be no monopolized state militaries. No Kim Jong Ils, no Iran, no Hugo Chavez, No Bush and Cheneys..... just curious as to how you draw the conclusion in your statement. I am all ears. What exactly is the oxymoron? Can you show me the two sides that have a negative correlation? Peace
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
So supposedly, Anarcho-Capitalism is "freedom" because supports "freedom" to own private property. Even though the workers aren't free. But the argument here is that workers have the "freedom" to choose another boss/dictator. Ok, so I have a new form of anarchism and it's called Anarcho-Statism, which allows states "free" rule over social and economic affairs. If "Anarcho"-Capitalists hate their state/dictator, they can simply move to another state. We can make anything become "freedom" right?
lukebutton 7 months ago
@lukebutton In anarcho-capitalism, everybody is a worker. There are no freebies in a free society... and no one is forcing you to work for anybody else (unlike statism where people have to work for the collective (one boss)).
Why don't you just make a small start up company? Why not join one of the thousands of voluntary collectives that would inevitably arise in anarcho-capitalism? Why not just build your own collective inside anarcho-capitalism?
mikeshanklin 7 months ago 5
@mikeshanklin What if my small start up company doesn't make any money for the first 5 years? This means I have to work for an organization or company with a boss. There's no denying this. It'd be better for you to try to make a boss seem appealing rather than acting like a person wouldn't have to work for a boss, just because they attempt to start up a company on their own. If you don't have the resources, capital, or health to start a company, you'll be a wage slave. Stop denying this.
lukebutton 6 months ago
@lukebutton Maybe you need to prepare in case of an emergency? Just a thought... I wouldn't rely on anybody else to be there for you, although in a free society, I imagine lots of people would be... as there would be a lot more to go around.
pfpmovement 6 months ago
Do Anarchists believe in laws restricting the government like ....The Constitution?? If they are Constitutionalists, then I'm an anarchist..
wmarcus1203 8 months ago
@wmarcus1203 The Constitution is government... and believe me, most of us used to be HEAVY Constitutionalists... until we realized the truth about statism.... Anarchists are simply people who believe in 100% Freedom.
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mikeshanklin 8 months ago 2
this video was fuckin hilarious. I love watching it. Its so cringeworthy
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
@SecularNumanist
What...you don't believe in the infallible, all-mighty non-aggression principle?! You don't believe in the infallible, all-mighty invisible hand of the freemarket?! How dare you, you, you, STATIST!
fwanksajerk 7 months ago
is how they live not who
minorpunker 8 months ago
Wow, if I would've known this was just going to be an Anar-cap public service announcement then I wouldn't have wasted 5 minutes of my life
DrewTuche 8 months ago
Anarchism means ..without superiors ...nothing else, in the mass media they show some black dressed guys who smash some windows and call them Anarchists,...nothing could be further from the truth...therefore Anarchism had become almost the same as a synonym for destruction...... thank you for putting things right guys. add to my fav.
FINISUNIVERSI 8 months ago 6
@Omnicron777 Read history and think. See where anarchists have gotten us. You might be amazed.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
@Omnicron777 Not at all
Hughganaught 8 months ago
Anarchy huh? Free country I guess but I just don't see how that works in a practical sense but it's whatever.
crackmonster99 8 months ago
I'm an anarchist! It's even tatted on my arm.
JJRage420 8 months ago 2
Anarchy is wrong. Civil government was created by God. So His people can have prosperity and peace. Wicked people have subverted their civil commission for selfish porposes. Anarchy is not the answer, good government is.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
@Hughganaught i belive it when i see it,your goverment is so corrupted that all of the world suffers their greed.and w the fuck do you know what god did or not your just a human you dont know anything about god because you are not him
minorpunker 8 months ago
@minorpunker The only thing worse than corrupt government, is no government. There is a purpose for legit civil government. There is a role for government. The problem is, is most don't know what it is.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
@Hughganaught so youre saying that the goverment has the rigth to do wharever it wants and is our obligation to just support without questioning???we cannot let the goverment run our lives,that why the goverment will always be corrupted they just want control, specially the U.S.A goverment
minorpunker 8 months ago
@minorpunker No. Civil authorities are obligated to God to act in a lawful and moral mannor. They are to provide the citizens with security and justice. NOthing more, nothing less. It is a convent between the people, civil authorites and God. But I assume that anarchests don't belive in God.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
@Hughganaught somo of us do belive in god but you connot pretend that god is in the goverment.Goverment is human thing,The goverment cannot be link it with god because it represents a lot of people with different belives and it most be equal for everyone without exeption
minorpunker 8 months ago
@minorpunker All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Today's government is folled with wickedness, but civil government was inventecd by God. It can be occupied by those who honor the covenent or bu those who do not. Our 1st amendment was written by Christians who wanted their faith prottected, by allowing others theirs.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
@Hughganaught exactly so if someone deciede not to belive in god they had to defend him as well,but you cannot be a part of the goverment if this one represent somethig that your not.and not just in the religions way but in ideology,politics, economics and a lot more. not all the people can thing the same thing tahts why i belive in an indivudual anarchy you get your rigths as an individual as long you respects others
minorpunker 8 months ago
@minorpunker No, we are in it together. We cannot have no rules for traffic. Traffic has to run by a set of rules for the safety of all. The same goes for civil government. Private property has to be protected. Murders exicuted. and so on.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
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minorpunker 8 months ago
exicuted murders}?? didnt jesus first teaching was about forgivness????and traffic is nopt a valid example because is based in common sense and the logic is a law we all have to follow,if you pass a red ligth problably youre gonna hit another car, but a goverment that decides whats best for an entire nation on who they live and fuck other countrys lifes is not logic, is just wicked
minorpunker 8 months ago
@minorpunker The Bible calls for capitol punishment for murder, rape and a few other crimes. God wants us to dispatch the guilty party to Him. He holds nations responsible if they don't. He expects justice for the murder victom (who is standing in front of him) He hears their cries. This is one reason why our country is in such a mess.
Hughganaught 8 months ago
@Hughganaught so what the bible is just like the coran?????killing the infedels or people that just dont fit in your so precious society???? If thats true, your not different from other religion fanatics,youre delisional to think you that the goverment has the rigth to kill whoever they want
minorpunker 8 months ago
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@Hughganaught exactly so if someone deciede not to belive in god they had to defend him as well,but you cannot be a part of the goverment if this one represent somethig that your not.and not just in the religions way but in ideology,politics, economics and a lot more. not all the people can thing the same thing thats why i belive in an indivudual anarchy you get your rigths as an individual as long you respects others
minorpunker 8 months ago
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minorpunker 8 months ago
Long live the Republic and Death to democracy