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Erm...so the death of Antony and Cleopatra will be a surprise to anyone who hasn't seen this TV show? I sure hope the state of education in the U.S. hasn't gotten quite so pathetic yet.
@coolasacoldsummer You're just another fool that can't handle the legacy...if you have a problem with what Rome & Greece built, I.E. WESTERN FUCKING CIVILIZATION, move your ass to the Eastern Hemisphere(if you're not already there)
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i love how they didnt make her like outrageously gorgeous or anything (although she is pretty) because the real cleopatra wasn't a super model or anything. men were more attracted by her wit, charm, and the sound of her voice. its true! look it up :D
Seriously agree with the below. Sex and the City was over rated and was simply not that interesting. It did nothing but advocate women being fucking sluts, nothing more.
but ROME... a series with everything you could want for entertainment; action, drama, sex, even a bit of comedy and of course a fair concept of history into a truly brutally fascinating time.
@godzforsaken1 Sluts? Maybe just women who enjoy sex and get what they want just like men have been doing for years. Cheers to women fucking like men!!!!! Please try to stop living/thinking like the 14th century.
I was so upset when this series ended! They could've made a great, huge series out of this like they did sex and the city. Oh and the actor playing Anthony is just dam hot!! :)
sex and the City was a series about 4 very unattractive women whose mouths should be all washed out with soap. Honestly they were bigger sluts then Attia but with less class. If that combination is possible. I feel more like sleeping with Antony and Vorensus than those women in Sex and the City. Those women were so damn unattractive. And I am a guy. No sorry...better 27 episodes of genius than several seasons of the opposite.
oh yes, your exactly right, i dont care 4 sex & the city, i was saying the could be just as, if not more successful with this series! This is in a far superior league!
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Cleopatra was a ho, first she slept with Pompeii, then with Julius, and then with Mark Anthony. She was just power-hungry,and seduced powerful Roman generals in order to control them, in that way, Egypt could remain independent.
So if a man sleeps around he is a stud muffin and if the woman does it then she is a ho. Dont forget this wasnt Victorian England or Prudistan (sorry...Evangelical USA)....its the Ancient World. People werent so hung up on the same nonsense they are today.
She slept with the son of Magnus Pompeii (called Gnaeus) who was at that time a 20 year old commander of a Legion that was despatched to Alexandria to return her father Ptolemy XII to his throne. It was an act without Senate approval. Gabinius (Governor of Syria) was later exiled for it as Romans werent to meddle in Egypts affairs. But Gnaeus wasnt blamed. He followed orders. Cleopatra was only about 14 then. She liked him but little evidence exists if she slept with him. Its just rumor.
Cleopatra DID NOT sleep with Pompey. And for that matter, she was nothing like the way she portrayed in 'Rome'. As much as I enjoyed watching James Purefoy, the show completely distorted Antony, Cleopatra, Caesar and Brutus, just to name a few.
2) why would you refer to caesar as "julius"? do you know how many julii there were around?
3) who the fuck cares how she did it, she still maintained power and sovereignity for a long time. that's a lot more than a lot of other monarchs could say at the time.
Amazing tribute to Antony and Cleopatra. Thank-you!
I believe that they did love each other--it was a orginally a political partnership that grew into an intense and enduring love for each other. Cleopatra could have abandoned him when things went bad, but she did not when she had every chance to. And she also had three kids by him! --Alexander, Selene and Philadelphous.
i love Antony and Cleopatra and it makes me so sad seeing how they died. I think they really were in love with each other.. at least I like thinking so.. though some historians think they become a couple only for political interests, and it's probable
Can't begin to imagine the depth of despair and desperation they both must have felt. According to history, it seems they both really were in love. So sad. What must it be like to have been them? And wow, how different would things be if they were successful in their plan.
season 2 DID just end, however for those of us who don't have HBO or those separately paid channels, or who couldn't watch it online, season 2 is just coming out. i know cbc is starting to air it at the end of september.
Theres a lot we don't know about Cleopatra, but the one thing we are absolutely NOT black ... she was about 90% Macedonian and about 10% Parthian. Besides there are coins, portrait busts, etc of her in museums and we can see she did not have a drop of African blood in her.
There's no record that the Ptolemies married the native Egyptians. It's highly unlikely that she had any Egyptian blood. the Macedonian ruling family was completely exclusive and it was only Cleopatra who learned the native language while the others never did. she might have Persian blood tho through her ancestors by marriage, since the Hellenistic empire was basically the successor of the Persian empire.
@HistoryLover1550 Those remains are not reliable and the debate over their identification is ongoing. But it is not impossible that there was some mixing with the elite Egyptian priestly class and the Ptolemies.
I recall a story that as a young man, he was caught with another boy in bed, and had to run away from the boy's father. Eventually this resulted in him joining the army, plus the fact that he owed a lot of money. However, after that he was famous for being a womanizer, until he met Cleopatra. Either way though, sex was a way of exacting power over someone. It wouldn't surprise me if Anthony kept affairs with a boy or two in his lifetime.
Cleopatra was white, had straight hair, a rather long nose and was a Macedonian. Her name "Cleopatra" is a greek name it means "The Glory Of Her Father." She wore greek clothes and wore her hair in Greco-Roman styles of the times.
Yup, she was decendant of Ptomley, one of Alexander's Generals. His decendants often intermarried as traditional with past Egyptain Monarchs. Macedonia was not always considered 'Greek', Greeks sometimes looked upon them as barbarians. Can't fit anymore history in here lol
Macedonians were always considered Greek, nimrod. The Hellenic Ptolemaic Dynasty that Cleopatra belonged to made Greek the official language of Egypt because they didn't even bother or want to learn Egyptian while they ruled Egypt for hundreds of years.
Actually, she was the daughter of Ptolemy in the sense that you are the son of your father. Every male in the Ptolemaic Dynasty was named Ptolemy. Her father was Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos. Her younger brothers were Ptolemy XIII and Ptolemy XIV. Her son by Caesar was Ptolemy XV Caesarion, while her one of her sons by Antony was Ptolemy Philadelphus. One of the rare exeptions was her other son by Antony, Alexander Helios, who was the twin brother of Cleopatra Selene.
whether there is a modern relation or not, countless historical sources state that she was macedonian, and not greek. the closeness between the two is irrelevant - they were two different countries. as a canadian, i wouldn't be thrilled if people constantly referred to me as american. our countries are similar, but we are not the same people.
I've read many. They all say that the language of Alexandrian officials and bureaucracy was Macedonian Greek. Why differentiate if there was not, in fact, a difference? I don't disagree that Cleopatra was a type of Greek, I am just stating that her ancestors hailed from a region north of Greece proper, which was most definitely not called Greece but Macedon, as you have previously stated. Your attempts at making me feel that I am of inferior knowledge will not work, my friend.
i apologize for making you feel the way you did. However, please note that the word greece is a modern word. The peoples of the area were known as hellenes. Spartans, athenenians, ionians, macedonians. The same way The italic peoples consist of romans, latins, samnites, etc. The macedons spoke greek, believed in greek gods, played iin greek games, united the greek peoples,
Upon further thought, it's come to my understanding that you may be insisting on calling her Greek due to the fact that Macedon is a province of modern-day Greece. If that is so, point duly noted and understood. Would you similarly argue that Spartans and Athenians are always called/ should always be called simply "Greek"?
yes they should be called greek, or rather hellenes is the proper word, Greek is a latinized version. Because they spoke greek. they had the same ethnos. The word ethnicity is a greek word which means origins. The greeks believed in this distinction. To them, everyone else was a barbarian. Also another greek word which means "barbar"the sound foreigners made when they spoke
Walk into *any* classics department and ask any academic and they will attest to the fact that Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek. Ancient Macedonians have nothing to do with what is now called FYROM. The only language they spoke and wrote was ancient Greek. They themselves went to extremes to let everyone know they were Greek. Using the term "Macedonian Greek" was like saying Spartan or Athenian Greek.
To further clarify ... though I use the term Macedonian-Greek it is just as correct call her Greek, as Macedonian way back automatically meant Greek.
As for this jibberish the Macedon is north of Greece proper, what do you base this on? Greece only became a formal country in the 19th century, but the literate people of Ancient Greece considered the people in Alexander's homeland to be inhabited by the fellow acheans (to use Homer's term). Athenians, being snobs, considered them to be vulgar.
I've read several sources concerning Mark Antony's having had homo- as well as heterosexual relationships, but it seems he more likely leaned towards heterosexuality. Remember, in those days sex was also as much about power as pleasure.
Antony might well have had the occasional homosexual experience in his youth. Significantly, he was never been linked to a specific gay lover. The great love of his life was a woman. People should also not be so naive as to think sexual oppression was brought in by Christianity. Countless millions of people in the ancient world were sold into sexual degradation in much the same way as women and children are still trafficked for sex today.
This is sad..in a way..their life seemed to have this tragic hint to it. Almost like romeo and Juliet..these two lovers met horrible fates in the end.
All of the women he fucked canºt compare o the half army of men that he fucked. Sorry to burst your heterosexual male fantasy, but he loved boy ass jul like Caesar and Alexander.
Heterosexual male fantasy? I'm just stating historical fact. Sulla was homosexual, that's a fact. Provide me with credible sources that say Mark Antony had sex with men and I'll concede that he was bi-sexual.
Suetonius hinted in Octavius' biography that the adolescent Octavius was sodomized by Mark Anthony during his youth. Mark Anthony's soldiers would bring him the most beautiful girls AND boys as booty during his campaigns.
Suetonius was born many years after. If such events had happened, one of the historians between would have mentioned it. Also, Suetonius is notorious for inventing things if they add to the drama- most notably Julius Caesar's last words.
Dude, give it up. Geez! It is commmon knowledge that practically ALL men in the Ancient world had sex with other males. Even the adult men who didnºt fuck other men would fuck boys who were around the age of 16 or 17. You are just a heterofascist trying to re-write history to try to make modern homosexuality as an aberration that has no parallels elsewhere.
Yes, I'm a bi-sexual heterofacist. I admit it! I've had more intimacy with men than women, so you can shut your mouth. My point is that although homosexuality was in no way as frowned upon then as it is now, that still doesn't mean that everyone was gay. And as for Augustus definately being bi...give me references please. Go ahead, and I'll check them up in my room. Given that he made homosexuality illegal, it seems unlikely.
He made homosexuality illegal because he was concerned about the declining birthrate of Roman children. It had NOTHING do do with his proclivities. Besides, we all know that the laws did not apply to the "pater patriae", so Augustus could fuck as many boys as he wanted while prohibiting homosexuality for everybody else.
Ad hominem invective against Suetonius will not save these men as heroes of heterosexual masculinity, because Suetonius is only one of the sources that hints at these men being either gay or bi. Strictly heterosexual men were very rare indeed in the Ancient World.
Homosexuality was frowned upon in Roman times as being a "Greek" habit. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but that it was frowned upon is undeniable. Want evidence? How about the great lengths Sulla went to to conceal his gay affair? And The Senate's dismay when they found out? Or that Mark Antony tried to slander Octavian by calling him gay? Or that Juvenal wrote many satires that were blatently homophobic? Or that Augustus made it illegal?
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I have a major in the Classics, so you will have to do better thah that to argue with me. The Romans frawned upon PASSIVE homosexuality. For instance, Caesar was scorned because it was rumored that he took the passive role to King Nicomedes, or the "womanly" role. Roman men had prety boy slaves that they had sex with all the time, but only playing the "male" role.
Are you aware that, in Ancient Greece, it was normal for teenage boys to have boyfriends? Boys would give flowers to each other, write poems, etc. Alexander and Hephaestion were ridiculed not because they were lovers; they were ridiculed because they were lovers while being adults, an age where a man was supposed to take ephebes as lovers. If you truly are bisexual, then I feel sorry for you that you hate yourself to the point where you support a heterofascist view of history.
Yes I am aware of that- I mentioned it in one of my earlier replies. Your continuing attemts to label me as a revisionist with a hetero agenda have failed miserabley, you may as well drop that line of argument. Making (wrong) assumptions about your opponent adds nothing to your argument, if you had really majored in classics (how very convenient) you'd know that, unless you were taught that your opinion is always right.
Why is it "convenient"? Is it any surprising that a guy who graduated in the classics would be a fan of a show portraying Ancient Rome? Duh! As for Mark Anthony, he was accused of paedohphilia and paeserasty several times and it is a well-known fact that he sodomized Augustus.
My disbelief is down to the fact that someone who has been through higher education could be so closed minded as to rubbish every opinion but his own. YOu keep mentioning these "well-known facts"; all I'm asking for is a credible reference. What book, what chapter, etc. Provide one and I'll agree with you, simple as that. Oh yeah, and the fact that he was accused of it doesn't constitute "well-known fact".
I can see from your profile that you're only 18. What do you know about life? You're just a kid! You just want to fight with me for no other reason, even though I'm wiser and more mature than you. You have a lot to learn from life, kid. You need to get a boyfriend or girlfriend, or whatever, and get laid. Because of your age, you know nothing of the heterofascist agenda that exists to re-write history.
I'll take that as meaning that you don't have any way of backing up your claim then. YOu talk about being wiser than me, but you've just proved the opposite by (yet again) spurting out insults and assumptions (most of which are very wrong indeed). Is providing a reference to your "facts" so hard?
I have already provided as evidence that Suetonius hinted that Mark Anthony sodomized Augustus. It is also evidence that Markºs soldiers would bring him th most beautiful girls AND boys as booty during his campaingns, because they were aware of the fact that their general liked both things.
Again, whereabouts does Suetonius hint at this? I'm looking through the Twelve Caesars now and I'm not seeing it. Which paragraph is it? And where is the evidence of your second point, about Antony?
And the real question you should be asking is not whether Anthony had sex with other males, but if there were any men in the Ancient World who didn't. It seems that men on men sex, and especially men on teenage boy sex(paederasty), was the norm in the Ancient World. LOL!
It seems to have been less accepted in Roman times e.g. the Senate's dismay upon Sulla's admission of homosexuality, and how Mark Antony tried to slander Augustus by saying he was gay.
That would be odd, considering that Mark Anthony was gay! As for Augustus, he had an affair with Brutus in the days when the latter was still Caesar's friend. Augustus was undoubtedly bisexual. No serious historian would argue otherwise.
Exactly! Thank you, Sir. My point, however, is that he wouldn't be regarded as a straight man if he lived nowadays. In Ancient Greece, parents would only worry about their teenage son if he didn't have a girlfriend OR boyfriend. Most teenage boys had a borfriend at some point. Look at how people jumped on Alexander's throat just because he had an affair with a man, which apparently makes you less of a man - this despite the fact that he was arguably the manliest man who ever lived!
while i don't disagree with the points you presented throughout your debate with PCoderch (actually i was quite impressed with the way you both handled that), i must point out that it is physically possible for a gay man to have sex with a woman.
my uncle is gay and was married to a woman for fifteen years, had a daughter with her, and then came out. a friend of his had five kids, by three wives, before coming out himself. so you see, even if he was gay, the argument that he had many kids by many women is not a very strong one.
I never meant to say that it was impossible that Antony was gay - my point was that we have evidence for Antony being straight (marriages and kids) but none whatsoever that he was gay. Given that PCoderch hasn't answered my requests for a reference of some sort, I'm assuming that he had no evidence either.
Ummm, he loved (or at the very least had a serious case of lust for) Cleopatra. That is a fact. Gay men don't have that kind of passion for women. He was bisexual maybe, but not strictly gay.
My point is that straight men have this fantasy of the great leader/commander who is a ladies man and fucks all the bitches, but then they are disappointed when they learn that practically all the great men of history had sex with other males. especially with adolescents. They loved boy ass.
I disagree - look how everyone venerates the Spartans, common knowledge that instutionalised gay sex (between young adults and older men). And the Theban Sacred Band - toughest infantry of Ancient Greece, composed of 150 gay couples.
It has it's weaknesses as well though. Namely that you may act irrationally to save a loved one from death, and possibly endanger the rest of the unit. But that's where training comes in I guess.
straight narrow-minded men have no place in the profession then do they? :) it's just too bad for them, they're going to have to face the fact that before christianity and judaism came to be more prominent, the world was more open-minded
I've done quite a bit of research on Rome during this time period, and I must say everything I've found supports fourganger88's argument. PCoderch, you seem very convinced that your opinion on the matter is correct, and I'm not saying it's not, I'm just saying that I've found nothing to support it. Would you mind citing your sources? You repeatedly state that they're "well-known facts," yet I've been rereading Suetonius' work, and I didn't find any of the references that you mention.
Could you please let me know where exactly you found this hint that Anthony was gay? I would love to see where you're getting your information from, and it seems like fourganger88 would too.
yet another thing with her killing herself. They found out recently she didn't kill herself. Alexander the Great did because he knew even though she was down now she wouldn't stop and she could still rise above it so he killed her and the records they have of for suicide...the facts aren't even valid, a lot of it they've found was not possible, but I guess no one watched the program on TV since everyone STILL puts this stuff out
Um...I don't claim to be any expert on Roman/Egyptian happenings during the period which this series is set, but you can't mean Alexander the Great. He died around 323 B.C. Cleopatra's death takes place around 30 B.C. Did you mean to say Octavian/Augustus killed her? Because yes, he was probably going to kill her anyway if she didn't kill herself. So I could easily believe he got to her first.
Video description says: "Please don't watch if you haven't yet seen season two and don't wish (it) to be spoiled".
Erm...so the death of Antony and Cleopatra will be a surprise to anyone who hasn't seen this TV show? I sure hope the state of education in the U.S. hasn't gotten quite so pathetic yet.
Vesnicie 5 months ago 4
@coolasacoldsummer lol?
USAPropaganda 8 months ago
Antony & Cleopatra = The Most Passionate Lovers Ever Known!!!!!!!!!!
TheGreatZurEnRaah 9 months ago 4
@coolasacoldsummer You're just another fool that can't handle the legacy...if you have a problem with what Rome & Greece built, I.E. WESTERN FUCKING CIVILIZATION, move your ass to the Eastern Hemisphere(if you're not already there)
Jealousy is the root of insecurity & insecurity is the root of being a sackless man
-Me - 3/13/2011 AD
Praetorian107 10 months ago
nin is the perfect fit. best amv ive seen, hope they make rome the film soon
perfectouk 1 year ago
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perfectouk 1 year ago
lovely...! shows lust is not the no 1 for people.... unlike for west....
dilruk19 1 year ago
lovely...!
dilruk19 1 year ago
Love this song! Fits them so well. RIP Antony + Cleopatra.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
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shieldsff 1 year ago
This is a great example of why fan-made AMV's suck donkey balls. A NIN song for scenes from *Rome*? Christ, your taste sucks.
Nabiki73 1 year ago
Great HBO series!
Bunzypoo 1 year ago
the chick who plays cleopatra would get fucked sensless!! lol very sexy girl
goldyn12345 1 year ago
О-о-о-о-о-о-о-ооооооооооооо!!!!!!!!!!
cuculus74 1 year ago
i kinda strangely love cleopatra's hair :)
i love how they didnt make her like outrageously gorgeous or anything (although she is pretty) because the real cleopatra wasn't a super model or anything. men were more attracted by her wit, charm, and the sound of her voice. its true! look it up :D
goldpinkice 1 year ago 2
Mark Antony finally gets on a boat.
Biscom 1 year ago 4
rome is better than spartacus I think romestreamsonline-dot-info
roundcity58 1 year ago
whats the song you used for your first antony/cleopatra vid?
LuciusVorenus13th 2 years ago
@LuciusVorenus13th
NIN - Everyday Is Exactly The Same
kyroz3 1 year ago
i love this series, it's wonderful and james purefoy what an exellent actor and man.
agnethe23 2 years ago 4
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Mark Anthony was a piece of shit
BigEagles33 2 years ago
If your going to make fun of him, maybe you should at least spell his name right : ) It's Antony. Not "Anthony".
TellerHasAHeart9753 2 years ago
Marcus Antonius was his name, in modernity that is Mark Anthony, thought they use Marc Antony to anglicize the Latin.
BigEagles33 2 years ago
nice. that was a great show.
mcg62601 2 years ago
best video ever.
Maddoxhardcore 2 years ago 3
Ah! I couldn't find this video for the longest time for some reason - I thought it was gone! I'm glad to have found it again!
xxxJeahxxx 2 years ago 3
Seriously agree with the below. Sex and the City was over rated and was simply not that interesting. It did nothing but advocate women being fucking sluts, nothing more.
but ROME... a series with everything you could want for entertainment; action, drama, sex, even a bit of comedy and of course a fair concept of history into a truly brutally fascinating time.
godzforsaken1 3 years ago 28
haha lol true but why compare they r not the same genre
fleurgi 2 years ago
@godzforsaken1 Sluts? Maybe just women who enjoy sex and get what they want just like men have been doing for years. Cheers to women fucking like men!!!!! Please try to stop living/thinking like the 14th century.
Bunzypoo 1 year ago
@godzforsaken1
What is the point of comparing Rome and Sex and the City? They're completely fucking different!
sophisfukingfantasmo 6 months ago 2
OMFG! This is a good tv series! I'm starting to like it!
mrsdicaprio22 3 years ago 2
I was so upset when this series ended! They could've made a great, huge series out of this like they did sex and the city. Oh and the actor playing Anthony is just dam hot!! :)
IrishEyez01 3 years ago 3
sex and the City was a series about 4 very unattractive women whose mouths should be all washed out with soap. Honestly they were bigger sluts then Attia but with less class. If that combination is possible. I feel more like sleeping with Antony and Vorensus than those women in Sex and the City. Those women were so damn unattractive. And I am a guy. No sorry...better 27 episodes of genius than several seasons of the opposite.
aeonflux67 3 years ago 3
oh yes, your exactly right, i dont care 4 sex & the city, i was saying the could be just as, if not more successful with this series! This is in a far superior league!
IrishEyez01 3 years ago
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Cleopatra was a ho, first she slept with Pompeii, then with Julius, and then with Mark Anthony. She was just power-hungry,and seduced powerful Roman generals in order to control them, in that way, Egypt could remain independent.
nabu2k7 3 years ago
So if a man sleeps around he is a stud muffin and if the woman does it then she is a ho. Dont forget this wasnt Victorian England or Prudistan (sorry...Evangelical USA)....its the Ancient World. People werent so hung up on the same nonsense they are today.
aeonflux67 3 years ago 5
Could you palies tell me where the fuck do you get that Cleopatra slept whit Pompeii??????
GajusJuliusCezaris 3 years ago
She slept with the son of Magnus Pompeii (called Gnaeus) who was at that time a 20 year old commander of a Legion that was despatched to Alexandria to return her father Ptolemy XII to his throne. It was an act without Senate approval. Gabinius (Governor of Syria) was later exiled for it as Romans werent to meddle in Egypts affairs. But Gnaeus wasnt blamed. He followed orders. Cleopatra was only about 14 then. She liked him but little evidence exists if she slept with him. Its just rumor.
aeonflux67 3 years ago
Cleopatra DID NOT sleep with Pompey. And for that matter, she was nothing like the way she portrayed in 'Rome'. As much as I enjoyed watching James Purefoy, the show completely distorted Antony, Cleopatra, Caesar and Brutus, just to name a few.
cleogurl12 3 years ago
1) she never slept with Pompeius
2) why would you refer to caesar as "julius"? do you know how many julii there were around?
3) who the fuck cares how she did it, she still maintained power and sovereignity for a long time. that's a lot more than a lot of other monarchs could say at the time.
xxxJeahxxx 3 years ago
Amazing tribute to Antony and Cleopatra. Thank-you!
I believe that they did love each other--it was a orginally a political partnership that grew into an intense and enduring love for each other. Cleopatra could have abandoned him when things went bad, but she did not when she had every chance to. And she also had three kids by him! --Alexander, Selene and Philadelphous.
cleogurl12 3 years ago
he made Anthony suicide.....
zedogolo 3 years ago
no cleopatra was not a niggor or black she was Egyption which is honable for a roman
lwgreendog18 3 years ago
Last time I check Egypt was in Africa or has it moved
kookoo78 3 years ago
Actually she was Greek-Macedonian.
PaulBlank85 3 years ago 2
wats the songs name??
GajusJuliusCezaris 3 years ago
i love Antony and Cleopatra and it makes me so sad seeing how they died. I think they really were in love with each other.. at least I like thinking so.. though some historians think they become a couple only for political interests, and it's probable
SilviaLovesCicero 3 years ago 3
Btw, love the video.
eyelikesushi 3 years ago
Can't begin to imagine the depth of despair and desperation they both must have felt. According to history, it seems they both really were in love. So sad. What must it be like to have been them? And wow, how different would things be if they were successful in their plan.
eyelikesushi 3 years ago
Someone should make a video using Anne Boleyn from The Tudors using this song..it seems to fit her life. (using clips from the show)
Leeloominai356 3 years ago
Yes. I second you. Henry and Anne Boleyn are fantastic. The Tudors is a great show. and the second season is coming up.
xXphoenixfireXx 3 years ago
I hope you meant Season 3..season 2 just ended..lol
Leeloominai356 3 years ago
season 2 DID just end, however for those of us who don't have HBO or those separately paid channels, or who couldn't watch it online, season 2 is just coming out. i know cbc is starting to air it at the end of september.
xxxJeahxxx 3 years ago
Theres a lot we don't know about Cleopatra, but the one thing we are absolutely NOT black ... she was about 90% Macedonian and about 10% Parthian. Besides there are coins, portrait busts, etc of her in museums and we can see she did not have a drop of African blood in her.
buddmar 3 years ago
shouldn't she be black
or
at least have a tan?
piss me off -_-
ArtMusicRepeat 3 years ago
cleopatra is actually macedonian/greek bec. the ptolemaic line of pharoahs came from a conqueror, alexander the great.
egyptians can range from lily white to ebony black. the slaves are the really black ones bec. they work under the sun.
cleopatra, on the other hand, is a royal so most of the time, she is indoors and not having a tan.
xXphoenixfireXx 3 years ago 7
There is NOTHING to suggest that Cleopatra was black. She was Greek.
Ptolemy = Greek.
Xizora209 3 years ago
WHoa. This is sexy. Favourited. 5/5.
xKINGxSCARx 3 years ago
what is this song called
blacktemplars120 3 years ago
Every Day Is Exactly The Same by Nine Inch Nails
thule1111 3 years ago
@thule1111 Awesome song!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
did cleopatra have any egyptian blood?
or was she completely Macedonian?
xXphoenixfireXx 3 years ago
There's no record that the Ptolemies married the native Egyptians. It's highly unlikely that she had any Egyptian blood. the Macedonian ruling family was completely exclusive and it was only Cleopatra who learned the native language while the others never did. she might have Persian blood tho through her ancestors by marriage, since the Hellenistic empire was basically the successor of the Persian empire.
SaSin1 3 years ago
egipt was not eqiut for centurys before this the persians distroys a few centurys before i think
deathwishplzomg 3 years ago
@xXphoenixfireXx According to examinations on the bones of cleopatra's younger sister, she and her siblings were part egyptian.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
@HistoryLover1550 Those remains are not reliable and the debate over their identification is ongoing. But it is not impossible that there was some mixing with the elite Egyptian priestly class and the Ptolemies.
xxxJeahxxx 1 year ago
@xxxJeahxxx You got a good point there.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
i couldnt find series at online to watch..anyone got idea where to find?
dontbother13 3 years ago
watchrome.com
xXphoenixfireXx 3 years ago
There will be no 3 season.Their coulisses has burned so just 2 series.Sorry.
picusik 3 years ago
Anyone have any info on season 3?
NuJoiseyMAN 3 years ago
James Purefoy is so sexy. My goodness. This was the best series I have ever seen. The acting was exquisite. Incredible.
Scarlett4Zanzibar 3 years ago 39
damn it, i meant to reply to another post and accidentally hit spam instead. sorry!
xxxJeahxxx 3 years ago
FYROM is not Greece!!!!!!!11111
Luxaquitaine 3 years ago
excelent video... i love rome and james too!!
eaglibre 4 years ago 4
That was such a good video. I'm in tears because of the end even with knowing what happens. The emotions were captured incredibly well.
laffytaffyfreak 4 years ago
I recall a story that as a young man, he was caught with another boy in bed, and had to run away from the boy's father. Eventually this resulted in him joining the army, plus the fact that he owed a lot of money. However, after that he was famous for being a womanizer, until he met Cleopatra. Either way though, sex was a way of exacting power over someone. It wouldn't surprise me if Anthony kept affairs with a boy or two in his lifetime.
PhillAlexandros 4 years ago
I think the Ancient Romans were tri-sexual,they tried anything once!
brandiwhine71 4 years ago
Okay, well, I'm not here for the gay/not gay argument, but I do have another suggestion for a video...
Someone ought to do a Cleo vid to "Walk Like An Egyptian" there are so many parts in Rome that would fit, eh?
I know return you to your debate. Carry on and well done with the vid.
sprootles 4 years ago
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cleopatra has got that good pussy
helloimsomeone 4 years ago
Sooo sad and romantic!! I <3 Rome! And these 2.
chellyboo 4 years ago
wish she would just keep her wigs on...otherwise, it looks too much like 2 guys having their joytime. not that i'm complaining ^_^
carmellimorgaine77 4 years ago
Marco Antonio no era muy listo...
Valleslop 4 years ago
She was Macedonian, a descendant of "Polomey" (one of the generals of Alexander the Great)
yatrasoc 4 years ago
which means she was Greek.
gkourli1 4 years ago
she was born in egypt but her familoy was from Macedonian
ka96rina 4 years ago
Cleopatra was white, had straight hair, a rather long nose and was a Macedonian. Her name "Cleopatra" is a greek name it means "The Glory Of Her Father." She wore greek clothes and wore her hair in Greco-Roman styles of the times.
buddmar 4 years ago
ASOME VIDEO! Love it.
Yup, she was decendant of Ptomley, one of Alexander's Generals. His decendants often intermarried as traditional with past Egyptain Monarchs. Macedonia was not always considered 'Greek', Greeks sometimes looked upon them as barbarians. Can't fit anymore history in here lol
xebecatt 4 years ago
Macedonians were always considered Greek, nimrod. The Hellenic Ptolemaic Dynasty that Cleopatra belonged to made Greek the official language of Egypt because they didn't even bother or want to learn Egyptian while they ruled Egypt for hundreds of years.
dangar234 4 years ago
this cleopatra was way to white to be believeable
unguardedsmiles 4 years ago
Cleopatra was Greek, not Egyptian.
muineog 4 years ago 4
no she wasn't greek... she only was of greek descent
Gaaramaru 4 years ago
she was the daughter of Ptolemy... Ptolemy was a general of Alexander. What else could she be? enlighten us
zberlin32 4 years ago
Ptolemy lived around 300 years before cleopatra, but yes she is his descendant
soetnos123 4 years ago
i know. but she is still a daughter of Ptolemy as I am son of my great great great great great grand father.
zberlin32 4 years ago
Actually, she was the daughter of Ptolemy in the sense that you are the son of your father. Every male in the Ptolemaic Dynasty was named Ptolemy. Her father was Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos. Her younger brothers were Ptolemy XIII and Ptolemy XIV. Her son by Caesar was Ptolemy XV Caesarion, while her one of her sons by Antony was Ptolemy Philadelphus. One of the rare exeptions was her other son by Antony, Alexander Helios, who was the twin brother of Cleopatra Selene.
arebelangel 4 years ago
correct... which makes her greek. One of german descent makes them german no?!
zberlin32 4 years ago
you're right. (except she was macedonian, not greek - both modern countries would be at your throat if you mixed them up :P)
egyptian or not, the product of a long line of macedonians would not be black.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
really... don't mistake the modern country of FYROM to have any lineage to ancient macedon... there is completely no relation.
zberlin32 4 years ago
whether there is a modern relation or not, countless historical sources state that she was macedonian, and not greek. the closeness between the two is irrelevant - they were two different countries. as a canadian, i wouldn't be thrilled if people constantly referred to me as american. our countries are similar, but we are not the same people.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
read a history book my friend then we talk.
zberlin32 4 years ago
I've read many. They all say that the language of Alexandrian officials and bureaucracy was Macedonian Greek. Why differentiate if there was not, in fact, a difference? I don't disagree that Cleopatra was a type of Greek, I am just stating that her ancestors hailed from a region north of Greece proper, which was most definitely not called Greece but Macedon, as you have previously stated. Your attempts at making me feel that I am of inferior knowledge will not work, my friend.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
i apologize for making you feel the way you did. However, please note that the word greece is a modern word. The peoples of the area were known as hellenes. Spartans, athenenians, ionians, macedonians. The same way The italic peoples consist of romans, latins, samnites, etc. The macedons spoke greek, believed in greek gods, played iin greek games, united the greek peoples,
zberlin32 4 years ago
Upon further thought, it's come to my understanding that you may be insisting on calling her Greek due to the fact that Macedon is a province of modern-day Greece. If that is so, point duly noted and understood. Would you similarly argue that Spartans and Athenians are always called/ should always be called simply "Greek"?
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
yes they should be called greek, or rather hellenes is the proper word, Greek is a latinized version. Because they spoke greek. they had the same ethnos. The word ethnicity is a greek word which means origins. The greeks believed in this distinction. To them, everyone else was a barbarian. Also another greek word which means "barbar"the sound foreigners made when they spoke
zberlin32 4 years ago
ah, the clincher. hellenes.
i bow to you, sir or madam. you have proved your point well. it seems i misunderstood what you were saying in the first place.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
Dear goodness, not this ahistorical argument.
Walk into *any* classics department and ask any academic and they will attest to the fact that Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek. Ancient Macedonians have nothing to do with what is now called FYROM. The only language they spoke and wrote was ancient Greek. They themselves went to extremes to let everyone know they were Greek. Using the term "Macedonian Greek" was like saying Spartan or Athenian Greek.
rebelordie 3 years ago
To further clarify ... though I use the term Macedonian-Greek it is just as correct call her Greek, as Macedonian way back automatically meant Greek.
As for this jibberish the Macedon is north of Greece proper, what do you base this on? Greece only became a formal country in the 19th century, but the literate people of Ancient Greece considered the people in Alexander's homeland to be inhabited by the fellow acheans (to use Homer's term). Athenians, being snobs, considered them to be vulgar.
rebelordie 3 years ago
Thank you for your clarification. However, I did already admit my fault.
xxxJeahxxx 3 years ago
it's "Everyday is exactly the same" by Nine Inch Nails
cbshelley 4 years ago
same shit different day^^
Gaaramaru 4 years ago
Whats the name of the song?
val131313 4 years ago
I loved Magdalena,and I love this video too.You rock Coldchik!
brandiwhine71 4 years ago
I still think you were too hard on yourself about your first vid, but I do agree this one's better-very good!
tyleet99 4 years ago
you know, i watch this video over and over and i still think this music is perfect for this video
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
what a great video! i could really feel the emotions, and the clips were very well put together.
i almost cried near the end, and i loved the song :DD
tresplatinumrings 4 years ago 2
I've read several sources concerning Mark Antony's having had homo- as well as heterosexual relationships, but it seems he more likely leaned towards heterosexuality. Remember, in those days sex was also as much about power as pleasure.
buddmar 4 years ago 3
I really liked this, thank you for sharing it! The music is really cool.
summeratstorm 4 years ago
nice vid but the music isn't very good
Dhomen 4 years ago
Antony might well have had the occasional homosexual experience in his youth. Significantly, he was never been linked to a specific gay lover. The great love of his life was a woman. People should also not be so naive as to think sexual oppression was brought in by Christianity. Countless millions of people in the ancient world were sold into sexual degradation in much the same way as women and children are still trafficked for sex today.
KateWinspur 4 years ago 3
People can change one extrem to another. No more surprises.
meenadiary8 4 years ago
loved the vid!! good job
nycrobo 4 years ago
Poor Anthony....he got P-Whipped
amensupremera 4 years ago
i don't really think Cleo ever loved antony i think she used him! lol
PS don't watch Rome cuz i don't have hbo
Spartanz1170 4 years ago
while one could dispute her love for caesar, i don't think anyone could argue that she didn't love antony. she was completely devoted to him.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago 3
His correct name is Marc Anton (greece), not Antony!
123Smackdown 4 years ago
if you want to be specific like that, please note that the man was a ROMAN.
his name was marcus antonius.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
This is sad..in a way..their life seemed to have this tragic hint to it. Almost like romeo and Juliet..these two lovers met horrible fates in the end.
Leeloominai356 4 years ago
This is all fine and dandy, except that the real Mark Anthony was gay.
PCoderch 4 years ago
I suppose that's why he had so mnay children. By several wives. Yeah, that sounds right.
fourganger88 4 years ago
All of the women he fucked canºt compare o the half army of men that he fucked. Sorry to burst your heterosexual male fantasy, but he loved boy ass jul like Caesar and Alexander.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Heterosexual male fantasy? I'm just stating historical fact. Sulla was homosexual, that's a fact. Provide me with credible sources that say Mark Antony had sex with men and I'll concede that he was bi-sexual.
fourganger88 4 years ago
Suetonius hinted in Octavius' biography that the adolescent Octavius was sodomized by Mark Anthony during his youth. Mark Anthony's soldiers would bring him the most beautiful girls AND boys as booty during his campaigns.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Suetonius was born many years after. If such events had happened, one of the historians between would have mentioned it. Also, Suetonius is notorious for inventing things if they add to the drama- most notably Julius Caesar's last words.
fourganger88 4 years ago
Dude, give it up. Geez! It is commmon knowledge that practically ALL men in the Ancient world had sex with other males. Even the adult men who didnºt fuck other men would fuck boys who were around the age of 16 or 17. You are just a heterofascist trying to re-write history to try to make modern homosexuality as an aberration that has no parallels elsewhere.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Yes, I'm a bi-sexual heterofacist. I admit it! I've had more intimacy with men than women, so you can shut your mouth. My point is that although homosexuality was in no way as frowned upon then as it is now, that still doesn't mean that everyone was gay. And as for Augustus definately being bi...give me references please. Go ahead, and I'll check them up in my room. Given that he made homosexuality illegal, it seems unlikely.
fourganger88 4 years ago
He made homosexuality illegal because he was concerned about the declining birthrate of Roman children. It had NOTHING do do with his proclivities. Besides, we all know that the laws did not apply to the "pater patriae", so Augustus could fuck as many boys as he wanted while prohibiting homosexuality for everybody else.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Ad hominem invective against Suetonius will not save these men as heroes of heterosexual masculinity, because Suetonius is only one of the sources that hints at these men being either gay or bi. Strictly heterosexual men were very rare indeed in the Ancient World.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Homosexuality was frowned upon in Roman times as being a "Greek" habit. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but that it was frowned upon is undeniable. Want evidence? How about the great lengths Sulla went to to conceal his gay affair? And The Senate's dismay when they found out? Or that Mark Antony tried to slander Octavian by calling him gay? Or that Juvenal wrote many satires that were blatently homophobic? Or that Augustus made it illegal?
fourganger88 4 years ago
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I have a major in the Classics, so you will have to do better thah that to argue with me. The Romans frawned upon PASSIVE homosexuality. For instance, Caesar was scorned because it was rumored that he took the passive role to King Nicomedes, or the "womanly" role. Roman men had prety boy slaves that they had sex with all the time, but only playing the "male" role.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Are you aware that, in Ancient Greece, it was normal for teenage boys to have boyfriends? Boys would give flowers to each other, write poems, etc. Alexander and Hephaestion were ridiculed not because they were lovers; they were ridiculed because they were lovers while being adults, an age where a man was supposed to take ephebes as lovers. If you truly are bisexual, then I feel sorry for you that you hate yourself to the point where you support a heterofascist view of history.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Yes I am aware of that- I mentioned it in one of my earlier replies. Your continuing attemts to label me as a revisionist with a hetero agenda have failed miserabley, you may as well drop that line of argument. Making (wrong) assumptions about your opponent adds nothing to your argument, if you had really majored in classics (how very convenient) you'd know that, unless you were taught that your opinion is always right.
fourganger88 4 years ago
Why is it "convenient"? Is it any surprising that a guy who graduated in the classics would be a fan of a show portraying Ancient Rome? Duh! As for Mark Anthony, he was accused of paedohphilia and paeserasty several times and it is a well-known fact that he sodomized Augustus.
PCoderch 4 years ago
My disbelief is down to the fact that someone who has been through higher education could be so closed minded as to rubbish every opinion but his own. YOu keep mentioning these "well-known facts"; all I'm asking for is a credible reference. What book, what chapter, etc. Provide one and I'll agree with you, simple as that. Oh yeah, and the fact that he was accused of it doesn't constitute "well-known fact".
fourganger88 4 years ago
I can see from your profile that you're only 18. What do you know about life? You're just a kid! You just want to fight with me for no other reason, even though I'm wiser and more mature than you. You have a lot to learn from life, kid. You need to get a boyfriend or girlfriend, or whatever, and get laid. Because of your age, you know nothing of the heterofascist agenda that exists to re-write history.
PCoderch 4 years ago
I'll take that as meaning that you don't have any way of backing up your claim then. YOu talk about being wiser than me, but you've just proved the opposite by (yet again) spurting out insults and assumptions (most of which are very wrong indeed). Is providing a reference to your "facts" so hard?
fourganger88 4 years ago
I have already provided as evidence that Suetonius hinted that Mark Anthony sodomized Augustus. It is also evidence that Markºs soldiers would bring him th most beautiful girls AND boys as booty during his campaingns, because they were aware of the fact that their general liked both things.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Again, whereabouts does Suetonius hint at this? I'm looking through the Twelve Caesars now and I'm not seeing it. Which paragraph is it? And where is the evidence of your second point, about Antony?
fourganger88 4 years ago
And the real question you should be asking is not whether Anthony had sex with other males, but if there were any men in the Ancient World who didn't. It seems that men on men sex, and especially men on teenage boy sex(paederasty), was the norm in the Ancient World. LOL!
PCoderch 4 years ago
It seems to have been less accepted in Roman times e.g. the Senate's dismay upon Sulla's admission of homosexuality, and how Mark Antony tried to slander Augustus by saying he was gay.
fourganger88 4 years ago
That would be odd, considering that Mark Anthony was gay! As for Augustus, he had an affair with Brutus in the days when the latter was still Caesar's friend. Augustus was undoubtedly bisexual. No serious historian would argue otherwise.
PCoderch 4 years ago
Just means he was bi-sexual like most people of the time.
pugilistofpower 4 years ago
Exactly! Thank you, Sir. My point, however, is that he wouldn't be regarded as a straight man if he lived nowadays. In Ancient Greece, parents would only worry about their teenage son if he didn't have a girlfriend OR boyfriend. Most teenage boys had a borfriend at some point. Look at how people jumped on Alexander's throat just because he had an affair with a man, which apparently makes you less of a man - this despite the fact that he was arguably the manliest man who ever lived!
PCoderch 4 years ago
while i don't disagree with the points you presented throughout your debate with PCoderch (actually i was quite impressed with the way you both handled that), i must point out that it is physically possible for a gay man to have sex with a woman.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
my uncle is gay and was married to a woman for fifteen years, had a daughter with her, and then came out. a friend of his had five kids, by three wives, before coming out himself. so you see, even if he was gay, the argument that he had many kids by many women is not a very strong one.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
I never meant to say that it was impossible that Antony was gay - my point was that we have evidence for Antony being straight (marriages and kids) but none whatsoever that he was gay. Given that PCoderch hasn't answered my requests for a reference of some sort, I'm assuming that he had no evidence either.
fourganger88 4 years ago
Ummm, he loved (or at the very least had a serious case of lust for) Cleopatra. That is a fact. Gay men don't have that kind of passion for women. He was bisexual maybe, but not strictly gay.
funkyfru 4 years ago
My point is that straight men have this fantasy of the great leader/commander who is a ladies man and fucks all the bitches, but then they are disappointed when they learn that practically all the great men of history had sex with other males. especially with adolescents. They loved boy ass.
PCoderch 4 years ago
I disagree - look how everyone venerates the Spartans, common knowledge that instutionalised gay sex (between young adults and older men). And the Theban Sacred Band - toughest infantry of Ancient Greece, composed of 150 gay couples.
fourganger88 4 years ago
very true, and the whole idea behind the Theban Sacred Band is pure genius in my opinion.
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
It has it's weaknesses as well though. Namely that you may act irrationally to save a loved one from death, and possibly endanger the rest of the unit. But that's where training comes in I guess.
fourganger88 4 years ago
straight narrow-minded men have no place in the profession then do they? :) it's just too bad for them, they're going to have to face the fact that before christianity and judaism came to be more prominent, the world was more open-minded
xxxJeahxxx 4 years ago
I've done quite a bit of research on Rome during this time period, and I must say everything I've found supports fourganger88's argument. PCoderch, you seem very convinced that your opinion on the matter is correct, and I'm not saying it's not, I'm just saying that I've found nothing to support it. Would you mind citing your sources? You repeatedly state that they're "well-known facts," yet I've been rereading Suetonius' work, and I didn't find any of the references that you mention.
lawfreak333 4 years ago
Could you please let me know where exactly you found this hint that Anthony was gay? I would love to see where you're getting your information from, and it seems like fourganger88 would too.
lawfreak333 4 years ago
I'd have never thought to put this song together with these 2 but the lyrics fit really well. You did a great job here. :)
funkyfru 4 years ago
Thank you. =)
coldchik 4 years ago
Wow i love this song wats the name and whos it by
choperchic24 4 years ago
the song is called Every Day Is Exactly the Same (original, no?) and its by Nine Inch Nails on their new album With Teeth
mountaineerp3 4 years ago
thanks
choperchic24 4 years ago
no prb. anytime :)
mountaineerp3 4 years ago
oh jeez i haven't seen it yet. So sad.
findmysecretgarden 4 years ago
What song is this?
Karmornaru 4 years ago
"Every Day is Exactly the Same" by Nine Inch Nails
coldchik 4 years ago
yet another thing with her killing herself. They found out recently she didn't kill herself. Alexander the Great did because he knew even though she was down now she wouldn't stop and she could still rise above it so he killed her and the records they have of for suicide...the facts aren't even valid, a lot of it they've found was not possible, but I guess no one watched the program on TV since everyone STILL puts this stuff out
myjanicole 4 years ago
Um...I don't claim to be any expert on Roman/Egyptian happenings during the period which this series is set, but you can't mean Alexander the Great. He died around 323 B.C. Cleopatra's death takes place around 30 B.C. Did you mean to say Octavian/Augustus killed her? Because yes, he was probably going to kill her anyway if she didn't kill herself. So I could easily believe he got to her first.
coldchik 4 years ago
LOL!! I was about to tell her the same thing! Unless it was the ghost of Alexander the Great? LOL!!
dangar234 4 years ago
Um.. she did in fact kill herself. What is disputed is how she killed herself. Though most historians believe it was by a snake.
If she hadn't, Octavian might have had her killed later on, but before that he would have taken her to Rome to parade her around.
Hydebehindthemask 4 years ago