Local Government funding is 58% from Central Government and only 24% of the cost falls to Council taxpayers. The UK has 25 million households,so the shortfall of £5.9 million works out at £235 per household. 18% of that comes from business rates. So Johnny taxpayer funds just £193 per household,of which 58% is from general taxation and Government borrowing,this leaves £80 from each typical council tac bill.That is 6% of the typical bill.
They are just workers like you and me. Working all of their life, is it too much to expect a pension at the end of a working life? If you think they have it so good, why don't you join the public sector? or why don't you organise yourselves so you can have a decent pension too, instead of begrudging ours. Why do multinational and large companies managed to pay a minimal amount of tax through by locating themselves in tax heavens.especially establish for the rich.
@angloengland Why do the banks keep their profits when they make them but WE have to pay for their losses. I guess you don't mind paying for the mansions of multimillionaires because you are, even if you don't see it you really, really are. The more they take the less that is left for the us the 99 % . Don't you see we are fighting for the crums under the table while they walk away with the cake. Open your eyes and look a little further than what the media is leading you to.
Local Government funding is 58% from Central Government and only 24% of the cost falls to Council taxpayers. The UK has 25 million households,so the shortfall of £5.9 million works out at £235 per household. 18% of that comes from business rates. So Johnny taxpayer funds just £193 per household,of which 58% is from general taxation and Government borrowing,this leaves £80 from each typical council tac bill.That is 6% of the typical bill.
The Labour government increased the national debt from 30% gdp to 80% or £1,400,000,000,000 and part of the blame is that the public sector grew to over 6,000,000 people. This is obviously unsustainable and numbers must be reduced and benefits cut in line with the private sector. This is logic, its not targeting the public sector, its the real world from which the public sector is insulated.
@angloengland I find it amusing that someone who titles themselves as angloengland seems to show so much alliegence to the private sector who's bosses generally operate without regard to the nation or community within they seek to profit. Yet criticise the public sector and unions who seek to improve all of society and work for their local communities. You need to change your tag!
@m1zun0 :D My tag doesn't relate to multinational companies, or the civil service that employs a disproportional number of non-European immigrants - it relates to the nation in general so no the tag doesnt need changing. You however need to address the concerns raised or simply dont post a reply at all. The public sector fails at trying to improve society, is inefficient and very wasteful. I choose the private over the public sector anytime.
@m1zun0 Oh, and you're obviously not aware so please let me inform you, small privately owned business form the majority of private sector employment, these companies unlike the public sector have no biased employment quota to meet and are the real supporters of local people and local communities. I know many companies that support local projects, projects that the local authorities and government ignore. Shame on you strikers especially being as your Labour government caused all of this.
@angloengland These idiots fail to see it's the small private business who are the backbone of the economy. Without them there would be no corporate directors paying themselves disproportional bonuses, no banking executives paying themselves even higher bonuses & no private sector whatsoever. This majority thick wedge in the middle who work on average harder & longer than anyone & are not able to afford decent pensions, are funding the shortfall in gilt edged pensions for the public sector.
Lets stand together as a county united......this song is just for the Public sector who's actions on the 30th Nov showed no regards for the hard working people that lost money due to having to take a day off work to look after their children......I agree with Jeremy Clarkson ....shoot the strikers....they are a disgrace to this country in a time when we should Work together.
The Unions appear to have the same goals as the banks, that is to create money out of nothing. Decline in manufacturing = decline in real wealth Decline in real wealth = decline in the public sector numbers & pensions that go with it. Lets all face it, we are all heading for a total worldwide economic meltdown that will shake us all to the ground & force us into a life of continued austerity until the next war. It's happened before & will happen again, just look at Iranian & Israeli tensions.
Am I the only one to think that those whom support a government pay for its mistakes...this seems common sense to me. Why should I pay for your error of judgement? You elected people whom share your views (Im not so lucky to have this) and they made mistakes, big mistakes and cost the country a fortune in the process - maybe you should sue the Labour party for the lost percentage of pension reductions that you will lose?
@angloengland. everytime a good or service is bought from private sector some money goes into a pension scheme if they have one? local gov employees pay tax that goes into state pension and defer some of their pay each month to go into their pension.you are falling into the trap of seeing this as a private sector/public sector face off. ever heard the phrase divide and conquer?if the govt wont honour a deal it made with its own work force what signal does it sendto private pension companies
@m1zun0 No, actually, less than half of this pension money is contributed by the civil servant - the government promised then to make up the remainder with taxpayers money - the only taxpayer whom are net contributors are those in the private sector. The tax that civil servants 'pay' in effect just reduces their pay by a percentage. The private sector will not pay for these pensions, the Labour gov supported by the unions build up this huge debt - its only fair that those whom supported this...
decline of unions since the 70's has seen gulf between rich & poor grow. Unions campaign on many issues health and safety, anti discrimination, emp rights for agency workers, sick, maternity, child care provisions. working hours, minimum wage etc. campaigns private sector has benefited from. Campaigned with union members subs.Bosses were in a position to grant these to their workers but many chose not to until they bacame law. smashing unions is not in the private sectors interest
Yeah! Tax banksters' bonuses. Tax the wealthiest 1%. Use the money to fund pensions. Scale back the military to pay down the deficit.
So nice to see the Iranian students chase the spies out of the UK embassy in Tehran. Time for the rats, both home and abroad, to scurry into their holes.
How much longer until the people storm Parliament? Take back your country! What are they going to do, shoot 2 million people? Jail them? Time's up for the corrupt politicians and their shadowy puppet masters.
@MEEs1ab YouTube search "RT's Adam Kokesh brutally arrested for dancing at Jefferson Memorial." Yes, it's in the United States, at the foot of a statue of that nation's preeminent proponent of free expression, founding father Thomas Jefferson. But this is one example of the direction things are moving in the Anglo-American empire. Another, closer to home for you, might be found via a YouTube search for "Big Brother Hates Being Filmed." Loads of similar violations of freedom by the state to see.
@Blackbirdisms that sort of thing has probably been clamped down on in the states for decades now, its nothing recent. Anyway, current systems are the best of a bad bunch of political systems
@MEEs1ab Exactly, the best of a bad bunch of political systems. So, what the people need to do is create a new system. The first step is mass, sustained peaceful protest. You've got to knock out what's in place to create something that addresses real human needs for all and not cave in to wanton greed by the very few. The tuling elite came to power by violent conquest and conspiracy and by peaceful dissent shall they be overthrown. It's that, or creeping fascism. You decide.
@MEEs1ab Revoloutions can ignite in the blink of an eye. New boss the same as the old boss? Once again, you're trapped into a corner of the same old bad bunch of systems. Time to create a new system. One without bosses, for example. Impossible? I don't believe it is but if you'd like to watch everything just go down the loo and criticize those with a little hope, energy, a sense of justice and the belief that things can change for the better, go ahead. Kind of poiintless, though.
@Blackbirdisms not criticising, just disagree. if you, or someone else who is discontent, can provide a reasonable and effective alternate system of government/society, please put it forward. if it is better, i would be more than happy to assist
@Blackbirdisms Its ashame those 2m people didnt join a march or picket line, they might have shood a chance of achieving your dream - I know many went shopping for the day.
@angloengland Great! Everyone's got to shop. As long as they weren't working and reminded the boss who the real boss is. It's all good. Just saying, "Hello, David! We're here!" No violence. Taking the Occupy approach. Tough to call well educated, professional people lazy hippies who need to shut up and get a job. Take the day off and shop or march or go for a stroll through the park with your mistress. The main thing is, they decided not to show up for work and showed the PM up at work.
@Blackbirdisms If thats what you want to do thats fine - I don't think they showed the PM up though, much more their selfish behaviour with regard ordinary taxpayers in the private sector. If I was the PM I'd make the unions pick up the bill for policing - its only fair, if that 2.5% that showed up to march had walked through the park as well we wouldn't have another unnecessary bill.
Absolutely fantastic! I'm a teacher and a union man, myself in Portugal and I totally support your struggle in Britain. It's no news that the same is happening here. Our general strike last Thursday was quite relevant but we're only starting...all the best for you.
The banks have screwed us all by design. The only politicians who make it big in any party are those who play ball with the big banksters. Striking for money that has to be funded largely by the wealth creating private sector is unfair & unprincipled, as private sector wages for (excluding senior directors of the corrupt corporates) is lower than the the public sector. Without the private sector there would no public sector at all, don't expect us to subsidise you when we are suffering more.
I think we should cut all civil servants pay - the Labour government supported by the unions and their members caused the debt we have been left with - let them pay for it.
@angloengland Like I say - you're just making an arse of yourself. If everyone opposed to the strike is as gormless as you (and indeed, many are), the strikers'll win everything they ask for and more. Solidarity...
@avinabacca In the long run, striking is futile. The writing is on the wall for total worldwide economic meltdown & depression. The value of pensions will be worthless in 10 years or less, as all major currencies are heading for collapse. Striking is like a child chipping away at an erupting volcano, people need to look at the big picture. We have all been allowed to live way above our means thus orchestrating international debt by moving our manufacturing to low income 3rd world countries.
Remember when Teachers, Civil Servants, Policemen, Ambulance staff, Nurses, Midwives, Doctors and Fireman crashed the stock market, wiped out banks, took billions in bonuses and paid no tax? No, me neither
@rrrrmm1 There is plenty wrong with this country, uncontrolled immigration, huge crime rates, high taxes, undemocratic institutions and government....But strikes will get us no where at all, we in the private sector had to pay for the banks, no matter where we worked yet you want us to pay for your pension too.
The private sector DOES NOT PAY FOR THE PENSIONS OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
The public sector pensions are paid by its members. While we fight against each other guess who is laughing all the way to the bank with billions of pounds? It is true what they say Divide and conquer!
@rrrrmm1 The private sector DOES PAY FOR THE PENSIONS OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR. An example; Regarding teachers in my borough, the council at least matches the contributions made by the teachers and pays this into their pension on their behalf - WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS MONEY COMES FROM?!?!? LOL Oh and as regard divide and conqueror, we weren't united in the first place and haven't been for a good few years. Those supporting public sector strikes are in the minority, strikes will achieve nothing.
Everything you have you owe to people who faught for you.
Your freedom.
Did you go to school? They faught for yourfree education?
Had ANY medical treatment? They faught for your free care.
Ever voted? They faught for your right to vote.
A minimum wage? Faught for that too.
Easy to take it all for granted - isn't it. Public sector workers work for everyone. ALL workers are important. Be united and defeat this Government or fall into their trap - bicker and watch them destroy us all.
@charmaine725 I agree in general with some of what you say, however some small points that I feel are important, this country isn't truly democratic - our 'freedoms' are limited and over the last 10 years have been reducing - so we aren't truly free. Medical treatment - I can't speak for everyone but I pay for the NHS in deductions so its certainly not free for me or value for money. Minimum wage too has been undermined by the hundreds of thousands of illegals that live in this country.
Far from showing the government and the population in general how annoyed civil servants are, I think they will be in real danger of showing the population and government just how little the nation needs them. I would replace as many as possible and eliminate the months of paid sickness that some claim. I for one, will not notice the strike and I hope for YOUR sakes that the economy doesnt and the UK has to cut your pay Greece style after a possible IMF bailout.
@avinabacca Wish I could say the same of you. Go off and type meaningless bullshit on another vid, you've nothing of intellect and no debate to offer. Pathetic.
@angloengland Low-brow response, especially when you started it with the meaningless BS - very dull, and again, not good enough. Isn't there something you can copy-paste from today's The Sun Says as a "retort"?
@angloengland What are you on about, mate? Either make a worthwhile comment or knock it on the head and give up - as it is you're just making an arse of yourself.
@avinabacca What are you on about! haha I made a statement about the subect matter and you're talking about 'trolling' because you do you not have a relevant opinion off the subject at hand. Its sad mate
The NHS - we have Europes most expensive health system, hugely wasteful and the bottom of numerous care, cleanliness and treatment leagues in Europe. I resent having to pay for this wasteful monster, we should sell it all off to private companies and hence reduce costs to the taxpayer, leaving us free to choose where to go to for our care. My GP is TERRIBLE, other doctors have thrown his pres drugs into the bin in disgust, yet we are given no choice but to see this idiot when we need help.
This is absolutely unbelievable, for a start no delays should occur at airport with immigration officers on strike, the do a very poor job, the UK is home to Europes largest Asian and Sub-Saharan African population, many hundreds of thousands here illegally and all having come through UK ports and airports. For the day allow everyone in, no one will notice with what we already have here. Then bring in a private company to replace them, man do a poor job and are very rude, it needs competition.
@goggleboxy good. I refuse to join a union as well. Just see them for what they are. Although I hope peoples pensions can be restored once weve cleared our debts.
far from it being the government, UNIONS are the enemy of the people. They say they're there to protect you, but really all they want to do is stir up and instill in you negative sentiments towards your employers
look at them all being selfish. the country is skint. why not just suck it up and play your part until we get through the other side of it. wheres your national pride? everyone knows it sucks, but circumstances are circumstances..
@carpet691 totally agree...I work in the public sector and am in the pension scheme but it seems to me that people who are on the highest salaries are the greediest...they should be thankful that they have good "fairly secure jobs" and should count their blessings. I am not in any union and am expecting some hassle when I go in work on 30th November...
Public sector workers are being screwed. The government (this one and the last one) are changing the goalposts to suit themselves. Private sector workers have allowed themselves to be pushed into a low wage, no rights environment in which the unions are not present. My message to private sector workers is to join a union and fight for your rights. Otherwise don't moan or for that matter drag everyone else down to your tawdry level.
@usainlightning That's not correct: over 12.5 million people work for firms of 50 and over, while less than 11 million work in firms with 0-49 employees. 3.3 million of the 4.5 million companies have no employees. See table 1 in "Business Population Estimates for the UK and Regions 2011". Also, just because a company is small doesn't mean it can't be unionised: in fact it could be easier to get 100% unionisation in a small business.
@usainlightning Anyone can join the GMB and be represented regardless of who they work for. ALL workers have rights but it is up to them to chose whether to work and live at the behest of their employer or have the backing of thousands of others behind them. I used to work for a small businessman who paid far below the minimum wage (until it came in) and treated his staff like dirt. He spent more on his childs trainers than his managers weekly salary. As soon as I could I joined a union.
@usainlightning You are asking the wrong question. You should be asking why is it my boss can afford a nice fat pay check/share bonus regardless of whether my company is making a profit or not, and refusing to contribute to a pension scheme for me? The Gov.t is pitching private sector workers against public sector workers. I have always been in a union having worked for both and paid into pension scheme all my career but I will be lucky to see any of it due to get out clauses Gov gives employer
@charmaine725 Switch employers if yours is so bad. Contrary to popular belief the majority of employers realise that motivated staff is beneficial to the company.
@usainlightning Exactly, why don't you just leave if you are that unhappy. Poor decision to strike, there is no support for this in the country at all. The civil service is far too large and unproductive.
Let's Work Together from the trade unions sounds much more truthful than Cameron's 'We're all in it together', when what he really meant was you're in it, but my friends and I are not.
@bfslon they hope so but truth being that things could get soooo bad that we truly will be in it together no matter how powerful or rich you are you can't eat yer money or escape death....
Someone suggested this to me as a candidate for Christmas no.1 this year. Um... it's not exactly "Killing in the Name", is it? There's nothing here that David Cameron would find particularly objectionable: just vague, happy-clappy bromides about how we should all work together and smile. Christ, if this is what a protest song sounds like in the year 2011, no wonder we're fucked.
Excellent song, excellent video - at least it is sending out a positive message. It's always easy to criticise from the sidelines. Hope it makes it to the Christmas Number 1 it would show that the British public recognise the value and contribution of workers be in the public or private sector.
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@AnonymousVendetta69 criticism of unions: 'pale stale and male', 'men with beards in suits' - who is chosen as the main character? A white guy in a suit.
Criticism of unions: not representative of female workers (despite us being majority of workforce in many areas of public sector - video features no women until 55 seconds in.
Criticism of gendered jobs: jobs like social worker, nurse etc gendered as 'female', refuse collector etc as 'male'. These normative assumptions perpetuated throughout,
@lozabele lol It took me more like seventeen years, so I still have a keen nose for the musty scent of academia. Still, I agree with you that I've watched episodes of "On the Buses" that were more challenging than this video, whatever its avowed purpose.
@danwhittle When you comment 'pieces of shit' I guess you are referring to teachers, bin men, nurses, hospital cleaners. The conservatives are doing a pretty good job of running them into the ground with the destructive public sector cuts they are implementing but I would love to see you live without the essential work that they do.
@MrHodgsont What about carpenters, construction workers, mechanics etc? Why should they pay for guaranteed final salary pensions?, the likes of which they can only dream of.
@usainlightning I totally agree with you, I think that everyone should be entitled to a decent pension and I think that it is a shame that pensions in the private sector have pretty much disappeare,d but that does not mean that public sector pensions should also be destroyed. Also, remember that a pension is only as good as the salary that someone recieves and salaries in the public sector are relatively much lower than workers in the private sector.
@MrHodgsont Pribate sector workers being paid more is a total myth. It did used to be the case but recently average public sector salaries have overtaken those in the private sector. Which means that public sector workers get better pensions, salaries and conditions all of which is provided by the private sector.
@usainlightning A lot of low paid public sector jobs have been privatised (often with lowering of their pay and losses in rights, especially if they went onto temporary or part-time contracts) over the last 30 years - cleaners, caterers, refuse collectors and so forth. That is the main reason that (mean? median?) private sector pay may be lower than public sector. Incidentally, I work as a school lab technician and I have a PhD. I earn £14,000 a year and my pay has been frozen for two years.
@usainlightning Public sector pay has been frozen for the last three years, Thomson Reuters on the other hand reported that private sector pay has increased by 3%. Also majority of public sector pensions like the NHS are paid fully out of pension members funds and not the treasury. Government only claims these funds aren't funded because future pension increases will go to the Treasury and not the pensions funds.
@usainlightning UNISON's Public-Private Sector Pay Myths Factsheet points out that in the year of the supposed changeover to "higher" public sector pay, employees of Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds were moved into the public sector (from Dec 2008). This also affected calculations of pay rises in public vs. private sector.
@philward53 That's an absoultely tiny proportion of either the public/private sector and would have basically zero affect on the overall average wage.
@usainlightning Bringing Northern Rock, Lloyds and RBS into the public sector was presumably enough to bring public sector "average pay" from just below that of the private sector to just above it. That's all I'm saying. What is true is that private sector workers lost a lot of rights and benefits in their terms and conditions from the 1980's onwards. That doesn't mean that public sector workers should lose them now. We are fighting for all working people.
@usainlightning For comparable jobs, people in the private sector generally get paid more than those in the public sector. I don't deny that many workers in the private sector get completely screwed in terms of salary, pensions and conditions but this doesn't just justify dismantling public sector jobs.
@MrHodgsont Many private sector workers get LOWER salaries than public sector workers especially in the care sector where work is subcontracted out. BUT we shouldnt blame public sector workers. We should blame the middle men and Government who have taken the money away from client facing staff to pay new private directors and corporate managers fees.
@danwhittle Well, I doubt a gobshite internet hardman like you's going to get off their fat, lazy arse and do anything about it - so yeah, Cameron's pretty much your best bet...
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@angloengland
Local Government funding is 58% from Central Government and only 24% of the cost falls to Council taxpayers. The UK has 25 million households,so the shortfall of £5.9 million works out at £235 per household. 18% of that comes from business rates. So Johnny taxpayer funds just £193 per household,of which 58% is from general taxation and Government borrowing,this leaves £80 from each typical council tac bill.That is 6% of the typical bill.
rrrrmm1 2 months ago
@angloengland
This money is not going to the workers for nothing. Its in return for THEIR LABOUR, which benefits you and me.
Since when public sector workers are the enemy?
rrrrmm1 2 months ago 2
@angloengland
They are just workers like you and me. Working all of their life, is it too much to expect a pension at the end of a working life? If you think they have it so good, why don't you join the public sector? or why don't you organise yourselves so you can have a decent pension too, instead of begrudging ours. Why do multinational and large companies managed to pay a minimal amount of tax through by locating themselves in tax heavens.especially establish for the rich.
rrrrmm1 2 months ago
@angloengland Why do the banks keep their profits when they make them but WE have to pay for their losses. I guess you don't mind paying for the mansions of multimillionaires because you are, even if you don't see it you really, really are. The more they take the less that is left for the us the 99 % . Don't you see we are fighting for the crums under the table while they walk away with the cake. Open your eyes and look a little further than what the media is leading you to.
rrrrmm1 2 months ago
@angloengland
Local Government funding is 58% from Central Government and only 24% of the cost falls to Council taxpayers. The UK has 25 million households,so the shortfall of £5.9 million works out at £235 per household. 18% of that comes from business rates. So Johnny taxpayer funds just £193 per household,of which 58% is from general taxation and Government borrowing,this leaves £80 from each typical council tac bill.That is 6% of the typical bill.
rrrrmm1 2 months ago
The Labour government increased the national debt from 30% gdp to 80% or £1,400,000,000,000 and part of the blame is that the public sector grew to over 6,000,000 people. This is obviously unsustainable and numbers must be reduced and benefits cut in line with the private sector. This is logic, its not targeting the public sector, its the real world from which the public sector is insulated.
angloengland 2 months ago
@angloengland I find it amusing that someone who titles themselves as angloengland seems to show so much alliegence to the private sector who's bosses generally operate without regard to the nation or community within they seek to profit. Yet criticise the public sector and unions who seek to improve all of society and work for their local communities. You need to change your tag!
m1zun0 2 months ago
@m1zun0 :D My tag doesn't relate to multinational companies, or the civil service that employs a disproportional number of non-European immigrants - it relates to the nation in general so no the tag doesnt need changing. You however need to address the concerns raised or simply dont post a reply at all. The public sector fails at trying to improve society, is inefficient and very wasteful. I choose the private over the public sector anytime.
angloengland 2 months ago
@m1zun0 Oh, and you're obviously not aware so please let me inform you, small privately owned business form the majority of private sector employment, these companies unlike the public sector have no biased employment quota to meet and are the real supporters of local people and local communities. I know many companies that support local projects, projects that the local authorities and government ignore. Shame on you strikers especially being as your Labour government caused all of this.
angloengland 2 months ago
@angloengland These idiots fail to see it's the small private business who are the backbone of the economy. Without them there would be no corporate directors paying themselves disproportional bonuses, no banking executives paying themselves even higher bonuses & no private sector whatsoever. This majority thick wedge in the middle who work on average harder & longer than anyone & are not able to afford decent pensions, are funding the shortfall in gilt edged pensions for the public sector.
ALBIONTYKE 2 months ago
@ALBIONTYKE meant "no public sector"
ALBIONTYKE 2 months ago
Lets stand together as a county united......this song is just for the Public sector who's actions on the 30th Nov showed no regards for the hard working people that lost money due to having to take a day off work to look after their children......I agree with Jeremy Clarkson ....shoot the strikers....they are a disgrace to this country in a time when we should Work together.
offmains 2 months ago
The Unions appear to have the same goals as the banks, that is to create money out of nothing. Decline in manufacturing = decline in real wealth Decline in real wealth = decline in the public sector numbers & pensions that go with it. Lets all face it, we are all heading for a total worldwide economic meltdown that will shake us all to the ground & force us into a life of continued austerity until the next war. It's happened before & will happen again, just look at Iranian & Israeli tensions.
ALBIONTYKE 2 months ago
@ALBIONTYKE Well said my friend!
angloengland 2 months ago
Am I the only one to think that those whom support a government pay for its mistakes...this seems common sense to me. Why should I pay for your error of judgement? You elected people whom share your views (Im not so lucky to have this) and they made mistakes, big mistakes and cost the country a fortune in the process - maybe you should sue the Labour party for the lost percentage of pension reductions that you will lose?
angloengland 2 months ago
@angloengland. everytime a good or service is bought from private sector some money goes into a pension scheme if they have one? local gov employees pay tax that goes into state pension and defer some of their pay each month to go into their pension.you are falling into the trap of seeing this as a private sector/public sector face off. ever heard the phrase divide and conquer?if the govt wont honour a deal it made with its own work force what signal does it sendto private pension companies
m1zun0 2 months ago
@m1zun0 No, actually, less than half of this pension money is contributed by the civil servant - the government promised then to make up the remainder with taxpayers money - the only taxpayer whom are net contributors are those in the private sector. The tax that civil servants 'pay' in effect just reduces their pay by a percentage. The private sector will not pay for these pensions, the Labour gov supported by the unions build up this huge debt - its only fair that those whom supported this...
angloengland 2 months ago
@m1zun0 ...government then, pay for it now. More so than the rest of us at least.
angloengland 2 months ago
decline of unions since the 70's has seen gulf between rich & poor grow. Unions campaign on many issues health and safety, anti discrimination, emp rights for agency workers, sick, maternity, child care provisions. working hours, minimum wage etc. campaigns private sector has benefited from. Campaigned with union members subs.Bosses were in a position to grant these to their workers but many chose not to until they bacame law. smashing unions is not in the private sectors interest
m1zun0 2 months ago
Yeah! Tax banksters' bonuses. Tax the wealthiest 1%. Use the money to fund pensions. Scale back the military to pay down the deficit.
So nice to see the Iranian students chase the spies out of the UK embassy in Tehran. Time for the rats, both home and abroad, to scurry into their holes.
How much longer until the people storm Parliament? Take back your country! What are they going to do, shoot 2 million people? Jail them? Time's up for the corrupt politicians and their shadowy puppet masters.
Blackbirdisms 3 months ago
@Blackbirdisms I wish you luck in your imaginary, fantasy, dystopian, stupid, feral, simplistic, idiotic, retarded, imbecilic, dazed, deficient, irrelevant, laughable, petty, senseless, rash, puerile, stolid, thick, unintelligent, foolish, futile, dumb, ludicrous, mindless, pointless, nonsensical & naive desires and dreams.
Yours faithfully,
mees1ab
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
@MEEs1ab I must've hit a nerve, eh? LOL!
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms im joking although i strongly disagree with your viewpoint
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
@MEEs1ab Odd sense of humour but you're entitled to your opinion, for now.
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms for now?
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
@MEEs1ab YouTube search "RT's Adam Kokesh brutally arrested for dancing at Jefferson Memorial." Yes, it's in the United States, at the foot of a statue of that nation's preeminent proponent of free expression, founding father Thomas Jefferson. But this is one example of the direction things are moving in the Anglo-American empire. Another, closer to home for you, might be found via a YouTube search for "Big Brother Hates Being Filmed." Loads of similar violations of freedom by the state to see.
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms that sort of thing has probably been clamped down on in the states for decades now, its nothing recent. Anyway, current systems are the best of a bad bunch of political systems
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
@MEEs1ab Exactly, the best of a bad bunch of political systems. So, what the people need to do is create a new system. The first step is mass, sustained peaceful protest. You've got to knock out what's in place to create something that addresses real human needs for all and not cave in to wanton greed by the very few. The tuling elite came to power by violent conquest and conspiracy and by peaceful dissent shall they be overthrown. It's that, or creeping fascism. You decide.
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms lets say a revolution happens (which it wont any time soon). its always 'say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss'
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
@MEEs1ab Revoloutions can ignite in the blink of an eye. New boss the same as the old boss? Once again, you're trapped into a corner of the same old bad bunch of systems. Time to create a new system. One without bosses, for example. Impossible? I don't believe it is but if you'd like to watch everything just go down the loo and criticize those with a little hope, energy, a sense of justice and the belief that things can change for the better, go ahead. Kind of poiintless, though.
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms not criticising, just disagree. if you, or someone else who is discontent, can provide a reasonable and effective alternate system of government/society, please put it forward. if it is better, i would be more than happy to assist
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
@MEEs1ab YouTube search: Zeitgeist: The Movie | Official Trailer by Peter Joseph, 2007
It's a start.
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms Its ashame those 2m people didnt join a march or picket line, they might have shood a chance of achieving your dream - I know many went shopping for the day.
angloengland 2 months ago
@angloengland Great! Everyone's got to shop. As long as they weren't working and reminded the boss who the real boss is. It's all good. Just saying, "Hello, David! We're here!" No violence. Taking the Occupy approach. Tough to call well educated, professional people lazy hippies who need to shut up and get a job. Take the day off and shop or march or go for a stroll through the park with your mistress. The main thing is, they decided not to show up for work and showed the PM up at work.
Blackbirdisms 2 months ago
@Blackbirdisms If thats what you want to do thats fine - I don't think they showed the PM up though, much more their selfish behaviour with regard ordinary taxpayers in the private sector. If I was the PM I'd make the unions pick up the bill for policing - its only fair, if that 2.5% that showed up to march had walked through the park as well we wouldn't have another unnecessary bill.
angloengland 2 months ago
@angloengland I know a lot that spent the day in the pub
offmains 2 months ago
socialists ahve never been very good at sums.
life expectancy is now around 80.
our current pension arangements were based on a life expectancy of around 70 years
do the math
stephenhayesuk 3 months ago
Maggie would make all you feckless cretins work together.
QEDmofos 3 months ago 2
@QEDmofos Exactly
homoioteleuton42 3 months ago
@QEDmofos pip pip
MEEs1ab 2 months ago
Absolutely fantastic! I'm a teacher and a union man, myself in Portugal and I totally support your struggle in Britain. It's no news that the same is happening here. Our general strike last Thursday was quite relevant but we're only starting...all the best for you.
jopaleco 3 months ago
@jopaleco Because Portugal is a sterling example of a roaring economy...
QEDmofos 3 months ago 2
The banks have screwed us all by design. The only politicians who make it big in any party are those who play ball with the big banksters. Striking for money that has to be funded largely by the wealth creating private sector is unfair & unprincipled, as private sector wages for (excluding senior directors of the corrupt corporates) is lower than the the public sector. Without the private sector there would no public sector at all, don't expect us to subsidise you when we are suffering more.
ALBIONTYKE 3 months ago
I think we should cut all civil servants pay - the Labour government supported by the unions and their members caused the debt we have been left with - let them pay for it.
angloengland 3 months ago
@angloengland Like I say - you're just making an arse of yourself. If everyone opposed to the strike is as gormless as you (and indeed, many are), the strikers'll win everything they ask for and more. Solidarity...
avinabacca 3 months ago
@avinabacca In the long run, striking is futile. The writing is on the wall for total worldwide economic meltdown & depression. The value of pensions will be worthless in 10 years or less, as all major currencies are heading for collapse. Striking is like a child chipping away at an erupting volcano, people need to look at the big picture. We have all been allowed to live way above our means thus orchestrating international debt by moving our manufacturing to low income 3rd world countries.
ALBIONTYKE 3 months ago
@angloengland
Remember when Teachers, Civil Servants, Policemen, Ambulance staff, Nurses, Midwives, Doctors and Fireman crashed the stock market, wiped out banks, took billions in bonuses and paid no tax? No, me neither
rrrrmm1 3 months ago
@rrrrmm1 There is plenty wrong with this country, uncontrolled immigration, huge crime rates, high taxes, undemocratic institutions and government....But strikes will get us no where at all, we in the private sector had to pay for the banks, no matter where we worked yet you want us to pay for your pension too.
angloengland 2 months ago
@angloengland
The private sector DOES NOT PAY FOR THE PENSIONS OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
The public sector pensions are paid by its members. While we fight against each other guess who is laughing all the way to the bank with billions of pounds? It is true what they say Divide and conquer!
rrrrmm1 2 months ago
@rrrrmm1 The private sector DOES PAY FOR THE PENSIONS OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR. An example; Regarding teachers in my borough, the council at least matches the contributions made by the teachers and pays this into their pension on their behalf - WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS MONEY COMES FROM?!?!? LOL Oh and as regard divide and conqueror, we weren't united in the first place and haven't been for a good few years. Those supporting public sector strikes are in the minority, strikes will achieve nothing.
angloengland 2 months ago
@rrrrmm1 GOOGLE 'who pays for public sector pensions' - SECOND ENTRY - TELEGRAPH - 'PUBLIC SECTOR PENSIONS: HOW GENEROUS ARE THEY?'
angloengland 2 months ago
@rrrrmm1 I hope you can now see why the private sector has no sympathy for the strikers at all.
angloengland 2 months ago
Were's the word 'strike'?
SelinaSilencio 3 months ago
Why aren't the Armed Forces represented in this video... they 'really' earn their pay packet and can't screw eveyone else by stike action!!!
harry1066tube 3 months ago
i think the song shoud have been the strawbs - part of the union
And I always get my way
If I strike for higher pay
When I show my card
To the Scotland Yard
This what I say.
badmax1977 3 months ago
Great feel good video and a positive message about working people.
thebridgeuk1 3 months ago
don't see any prison officers!!!!
musicalagonyaunts1 3 months ago
Everything you have you owe to people who faught for you.
Your freedom.
Did you go to school? They faught for yourfree education?
Had ANY medical treatment? They faught for your free care.
Ever voted? They faught for your right to vote.
A minimum wage? Faught for that too.
Easy to take it all for granted - isn't it. Public sector workers work for everyone. ALL workers are important. Be united and defeat this Government or fall into their trap - bicker and watch them destroy us all.
charmaine725 3 months ago
@charmaine725 I agree in general with some of what you say, however some small points that I feel are important, this country isn't truly democratic - our 'freedoms' are limited and over the last 10 years have been reducing - so we aren't truly free. Medical treatment - I can't speak for everyone but I pay for the NHS in deductions so its certainly not free for me or value for money. Minimum wage too has been undermined by the hundreds of thousands of illegals that live in this country.
angloengland 3 months ago
You can support our campaign to stop our school being turned into an Academy by signing our petition on my Youtube page.
mkatfield 3 months ago
Far from showing the government and the population in general how annoyed civil servants are, I think they will be in real danger of showing the population and government just how little the nation needs them. I would replace as many as possible and eliminate the months of paid sickness that some claim. I for one, will not notice the strike and I hope for YOUR sakes that the economy doesnt and the UK has to cut your pay Greece style after a possible IMF bailout.
angloengland 3 months ago
@angloengland Crap trolling. Please try harder.
avinabacca 3 months ago
@avinabacca Crap judgment - think harder.
angloengland 3 months ago
@angloengland Witty comeback, buddy - no, really. About as good as your trolling. Disappointingly formulaic and almost listless. Why bother?
avinabacca 3 months ago
@avinabacca Wish I could say the same of you. Go off and type meaningless bullshit on another vid, you've nothing of intellect and no debate to offer. Pathetic.
angloengland 3 months ago
@angloengland Low-brow response, especially when you started it with the meaningless BS - very dull, and again, not good enough. Isn't there something you can copy-paste from today's The Sun Says as a "retort"?
avinabacca 3 months ago
@avinabacca Your pathetic 'trolling' comment isnt good enough, especially when thats all you are.
angloengland 3 months ago
@angloengland What are you on about, mate? Either make a worthwhile comment or knock it on the head and give up - as it is you're just making an arse of yourself.
avinabacca 3 months ago
@avinabacca What are you on about! haha I made a statement about the subect matter and you're talking about 'trolling' because you do you not have a relevant opinion off the subject at hand. Its sad mate
angloengland 3 months ago
The NHS - we have Europes most expensive health system, hugely wasteful and the bottom of numerous care, cleanliness and treatment leagues in Europe. I resent having to pay for this wasteful monster, we should sell it all off to private companies and hence reduce costs to the taxpayer, leaving us free to choose where to go to for our care. My GP is TERRIBLE, other doctors have thrown his pres drugs into the bin in disgust, yet we are given no choice but to see this idiot when we need help.
angloengland 3 months ago
This is absolutely unbelievable, for a start no delays should occur at airport with immigration officers on strike, the do a very poor job, the UK is home to Europes largest Asian and Sub-Saharan African population, many hundreds of thousands here illegally and all having come through UK ports and airports. For the day allow everyone in, no one will notice with what we already have here. Then bring in a private company to replace them, man do a poor job and are very rude, it needs competition.
angloengland 3 months ago
@goggleboxy good. I refuse to join a union as well. Just see them for what they are. Although I hope peoples pensions can be restored once weve cleared our debts.
carpet691 3 months ago
far from it being the government, UNIONS are the enemy of the people. They say they're there to protect you, but really all they want to do is stir up and instill in you negative sentiments towards your employers
carpet691 3 months ago
look at them all being selfish. the country is skint. why not just suck it up and play your part until we get through the other side of it. wheres your national pride? everyone knows it sucks, but circumstances are circumstances..
carpet691 3 months ago
@carpet691 totally agree...I work in the public sector and am in the pension scheme but it seems to me that people who are on the highest salaries are the greediest...they should be thankful that they have good "fairly secure jobs" and should count their blessings. I am not in any union and am expecting some hassle when I go in work on 30th November...
goggleboxy 3 months ago
Those headphones? On a bus driver's wage?
csampson87 3 months ago 2
Power to the people! Especially the mental health nurses! :) See you all on the picket line 30th Nov!
begent73 3 months ago 2
Public sector workers are being screwed. The government (this one and the last one) are changing the goalposts to suit themselves. Private sector workers have allowed themselves to be pushed into a low wage, no rights environment in which the unions are not present. My message to private sector workers is to join a union and fight for your rights. Otherwise don't moan or for that matter drag everyone else down to your tawdry level.
densaner77 3 months ago
sooo cheesey but I love it! No matter how people choose to fight back, this is what it's all about :)
lozsquarepants 3 months ago 3
What about low-paid private sector workers? Why do they have to contribute more to pensions they themselves could never even dream of?
The TUC is a disgrace.
usainlightning 3 months ago
@usainlightning that's precisely why we have unions - private sector workers need to unionise.
snowstarswan 3 months ago
@snowstarswan The majority of private sector workers work for small businesses with relatively few employees. Unionising makes no difference there.
usainlightning 3 months ago
@usainlightning That's not correct: over 12.5 million people work for firms of 50 and over, while less than 11 million work in firms with 0-49 employees. 3.3 million of the 4.5 million companies have no employees. See table 1 in "Business Population Estimates for the UK and Regions 2011". Also, just because a company is small doesn't mean it can't be unionised: in fact it could be easier to get 100% unionisation in a small business.
philward53 3 months ago
@usainlightning Anyone can join the GMB and be represented regardless of who they work for. ALL workers have rights but it is up to them to chose whether to work and live at the behest of their employer or have the backing of thousands of others behind them. I used to work for a small businessman who paid far below the minimum wage (until it came in) and treated his staff like dirt. He spent more on his childs trainers than his managers weekly salary. As soon as I could I joined a union.
charmaine725 3 months ago
@usainlightning You are asking the wrong question. You should be asking why is it my boss can afford a nice fat pay check/share bonus regardless of whether my company is making a profit or not, and refusing to contribute to a pension scheme for me? The Gov.t is pitching private sector workers against public sector workers. I have always been in a union having worked for both and paid into pension scheme all my career but I will be lucky to see any of it due to get out clauses Gov gives employer
charmaine725 3 months ago
@charmaine725 Switch employers if yours is so bad. Contrary to popular belief the majority of employers realise that motivated staff is beneficial to the company.
usainlightning 3 months ago
@usainlightning Exactly, why don't you just leave if you are that unhappy. Poor decision to strike, there is no support for this in the country at all. The civil service is far too large and unproductive.
angloengland 3 months ago
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sgccarey 3 months ago
Embarrassing. Same PR outfit who did the Halifax adverts? Fat old TUC Execs will be gyrating to this at their Xmas do. Sickening.
barneywalsh50 3 months ago
Is it an advert for Arriva?
jaymaccie 3 months ago
Let's Work Together from the trade unions sounds much more truthful than Cameron's 'We're all in it together', when what he really meant was you're in it, but my friends and I are not.
bfslon 3 months ago 13
@bfslon they hope so but truth being that things could get soooo bad that we truly will be in it together no matter how powerful or rich you are you can't eat yer money or escape death....
adders45 3 months ago 3
Well done TUC. I'm proud of our public sector workers who keep Britain moving.
leeconcerns 3 months ago 6
Love the song and the great video!
thebridgeuk1 3 months ago 7
Someone suggested this to me as a candidate for Christmas no.1 this year. Um... it's not exactly "Killing in the Name", is it? There's nothing here that David Cameron would find particularly objectionable: just vague, happy-clappy bromides about how we should all work together and smile. Christ, if this is what a protest song sounds like in the year 2011, no wonder we're fucked.
Terraxos 3 months ago 6
@Terraxos Captain Ska's Liar Liar from last year is still very relevant. watch?v=BQFwxw57NBI
cobrolchain2 3 months ago
Up the Workers!
MadAbdul 3 months ago 5
Excellent song, excellent video - at least it is sending out a positive message. It's always easy to criticise from the sidelines. Hope it makes it to the Christmas Number 1 it would show that the British public recognise the value and contribution of workers be in the public or private sector.
PalG1932 3 months ago 16
This video is not a credit to the movement, unless the movement happens to be patriarchy in which case well done, carry on.
lozabele 3 months ago
@lozabele What-the-f***iarchy?
MadAbdul 3 months ago
@lozabele don't know if trolling, or just stupid. what the hell has this got to do with patriarchy?
AnonymousVendetta69 3 months ago 4
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@AnonymousVendetta69 criticism of unions: 'pale stale and male', 'men with beards in suits' - who is chosen as the main character? A white guy in a suit.
Criticism of unions: not representative of female workers (despite us being majority of workforce in many areas of public sector - video features no women until 55 seconds in.
Criticism of gendered jobs: jobs like social worker, nurse etc gendered as 'female', refuse collector etc as 'male'. These normative assumptions perpetuated throughout,
lozabele 3 months ago
@lozabele "Normative assumptions" are more important than people's pensions obviously. When do you finish Uni?
MadAbdul 3 months ago
@MadAbdul Seven years after I started paying in to LGPS. Nice try.
lozabele 3 months ago
@lozabele lol It took me more like seventeen years, so I still have a keen nose for the musty scent of academia. Still, I agree with you that I've watched episodes of "On the Buses" that were more challenging than this video, whatever its avowed purpose.
MadAbdul 3 months ago
@lozabele lol i think you are reading way too much into this video!
AnonymousVendetta69 3 months ago
I love his walk. Let's all do the same! Stride together in solidarity on #nov30 !
coveredintea 3 months ago 7
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Here's hoping the Conservatives run you pieces of shit into the ground.
danwhittle 3 months ago
@danwhittle When you comment 'pieces of shit' I guess you are referring to teachers, bin men, nurses, hospital cleaners. The conservatives are doing a pretty good job of running them into the ground with the destructive public sector cuts they are implementing but I would love to see you live without the essential work that they do.
MrHodgsont 3 months ago 6
@MrHodgsont What about carpenters, construction workers, mechanics etc? Why should they pay for guaranteed final salary pensions?, the likes of which they can only dream of.
usainlightning 3 months ago
@usainlightning I totally agree with you, I think that everyone should be entitled to a decent pension and I think that it is a shame that pensions in the private sector have pretty much disappeare,d but that does not mean that public sector pensions should also be destroyed. Also, remember that a pension is only as good as the salary that someone recieves and salaries in the public sector are relatively much lower than workers in the private sector.
MrHodgsont 3 months ago 2
@MrHodgsont Pribate sector workers being paid more is a total myth. It did used to be the case but recently average public sector salaries have overtaken those in the private sector. Which means that public sector workers get better pensions, salaries and conditions all of which is provided by the private sector.
usainlightning 3 months ago
@usainlightning A lot of low paid public sector jobs have been privatised (often with lowering of their pay and losses in rights, especially if they went onto temporary or part-time contracts) over the last 30 years - cleaners, caterers, refuse collectors and so forth. That is the main reason that (mean? median?) private sector pay may be lower than public sector. Incidentally, I work as a school lab technician and I have a PhD. I earn £14,000 a year and my pay has been frozen for two years.
philward53 3 months ago
@usainlightning Public sector pay has been frozen for the last three years, Thomson Reuters on the other hand reported that private sector pay has increased by 3%. Also majority of public sector pensions like the NHS are paid fully out of pension members funds and not the treasury. Government only claims these funds aren't funded because future pension increases will go to the Treasury and not the pensions funds.
cwatts547 3 months ago
@usainlightning UNISON's Public-Private Sector Pay Myths Factsheet points out that in the year of the supposed changeover to "higher" public sector pay, employees of Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds were moved into the public sector (from Dec 2008). This also affected calculations of pay rises in public vs. private sector.
philward53 3 months ago
@philward53 That's an absoultely tiny proportion of either the public/private sector and would have basically zero affect on the overall average wage.
usainlightning 3 months ago
@usainlightning Bringing Northern Rock, Lloyds and RBS into the public sector was presumably enough to bring public sector "average pay" from just below that of the private sector to just above it. That's all I'm saying. What is true is that private sector workers lost a lot of rights and benefits in their terms and conditions from the 1980's onwards. That doesn't mean that public sector workers should lose them now. We are fighting for all working people.
philward53 3 months ago 2
@usainlightning For comparable jobs, people in the private sector generally get paid more than those in the public sector. I don't deny that many workers in the private sector get completely screwed in terms of salary, pensions and conditions but this doesn't just justify dismantling public sector jobs.
MrHodgsont 3 months ago 3
@MrHodgsont Many private sector workers get LOWER salaries than public sector workers especially in the care sector where work is subcontracted out. BUT we shouldnt blame public sector workers. We should blame the middle men and Government who have taken the money away from client facing staff to pay new private directors and corporate managers fees.
charmaine725 3 months ago
@danwhittle Well, I doubt a gobshite internet hardman like you's going to get off their fat, lazy arse and do anything about it - so yeah, Cameron's pretty much your best bet...
avinabacca 3 months ago 5
@danwhittle
Let's hope you have a nasty accident and the piece of shit nurses leave you to die in your own filth.
MadAbdul 3 months ago