JOSEPH MCCARTHY VS JOSEPH WELCH

[deejayalemus]

like Robert Lamphere: "McCarthyism did all kinds of harm because he was pushing something that wasn't so," To be sure, the Venona intercepts showed that over several decades, "There were a lot of spies in the government, but not all in the State Department," "The problem was that McCarthy lied about his information and figures. He made charges against people that weren't true. McCarthyism harmed the counterintelligence effort against the Soviet threat because of the revulsion it caused.

[MrBoatsMac]

History has shown that McCarthy was correct. Funny to see the shills trying to deny that the Emperor has no cloths.

[BobRoberts1492]

Unfortunately for the misinformed, it turns out, and history has proven, that McCarthy was 100% correct and should have been heeded and aided in his efforts. He was right then and his words are more true today. See the video titled: Joseph McCarthy on Democrats here at YOUTUBE.

[Truthhound1]

Welch was just a whiner who couldn't deal with the fact that McCarthy was onto his Communist friends. Read Blacklisted by History and you will see what a liar Welch and his ilk were. If you wait for the media to spoon feed you the truth then you'll believe McCarthy conducted a witch hunt. In fact, the Army changed its procedures due to the information McCarthy uncovered. Hollywood was full of communists and Reagan and John Wayne thwarted them. Now Hollywood has moved on to pedophilia.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 "McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions" -William Bennett

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus I'd rather hear your opinion. William Bennett besmirched the cause of family values by gambling away hundreds of thousands of dollars and then blaming it on Catholic church bingo's. McCarthy did well given his limited budget and the strength of the opposition against him (ie The White House, Congress, the media, elements in the Army and of course, Hollywood). He was the only politician speaking up and his recommendations were followed without giving him due credit.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 There's a reason he's associated with fear mongering. A lot of people suffered based on hearsay evidence during the Second Red Scare. A lot of people were persecuted because someone "named names" and were jailed or blacklisted on flimsy evidence, many of which were later freed because the charges were meritless. There ought to be some ethics to finding the truth. I think about what Oppenheimer went through while/after he was working on the Manhattan Project for being a "leftist"

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus I can comment on the only specific name you gave. Oppenheimer was a secret member of the Communist Party USA, according to FBI records. No need for quotation marks; he was a leftist. McCarthy did not run the FBI so you can't say that he smeared Oppenheimer on flimsy evidence. Those naming names were mainly Americans who left the communism like Whitaker Chambers and Elizabeth Bentley. They risked their lives and for that they get a slap-down from you.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 This clears something up for me.  If you believe that Oppenheimer was planning on selling out the states after helping build the bomb for them, then you are essentially claiming that he was a traitor. I disagree. I don't claim McCarthy smeared him specifically, but I question his methods. You don't think 2 whistleblowers were the only ones who suffered from the climate of fear? How many innocent people were imprisoned or blacklisted? All of them? Why were they freed?

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus Oppenheimer felt that the US should not have a monopoly on nuclear bombs and, since USA and USSR were not going to be allies much longer, then the secrets should be passed. I guess you disagree with the FBI files as well as the KGB files and VENONA. Why are traitors running loose in America today? Ted Kennedy proposed a secret deal with USSR while Reagan was Prez. He wasn't jailed because he had political power and connections - just like the scum back then.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 I have heard that theory, but without knowing more background, I can't comment on how true it is. Clearly my knowledge of history in this regard is more of the Coles notes variety. Based on your replies, you appear to believe the ends justify the means, and that you take the threat of communism as seriously as people in the 50s did. By todays standards it seems absurd, as this attitude contributed more to cold war hostilities than anything else.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus I lived through the cold war and read a lot about the people behind the Iron Curtain. It was pretty horrific for them and that had nothing to do with us. They were captives to an inhuman system run by tyrants. The USSR believed in global revolution so we had the choice of fighting it or letting them take over. We chose to fight it and we won. Read up on Lenin's executions,the Ukraine famine, Stalin's purges and the Gulag and you'll see why fighting made sense.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 So did I. I know the history of post WWII Russia as well. My country (Canada) took a comparatively moderate approach in the Cold War. The good thing is that most of the pro or con information is out there. I learned that there are classes being taught which examine the rightness of McCarthy`s crusade. He was paranoid, but sometimes correct in his suspicions, though he didn`t always have evidence on his side. Kinda reminds me of J Edgar Hoover.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus If you are counting on leftist professors at your Cdn university to give you the whole truth then you are sadly mistaken. I learned more about history after I left university than during it. Most of my history professors were in a state of depression when the USSR fell. As for Hoover, he had a lot of evidence on his side for a lot of things and that is why he stayed in his job through several presidencies. Leftists didn't like him as he was a formidable opponent.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 LoL, sorry, I didn't go to university, but you did encourage me to do some more research on the subject. Since a lot of the information has come out lately that shows some of McCarthy's suspicions were justified, it makes me think that history is setting out to balance the scales. I imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle. While you are content to see things in right-left paradigms, I kinda find that perspective limited to American politics. Thanks for the conversation.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus I'm not just content but onvinced that the left-right battle is global. One the one hand is individual freedom and on the other is government control. I'm a Canadian too and I see it from coast to coast as well as in foreign lands. Have you ever seen an NDPer ever argue for LESS government control? I've never except when it came to private abortion clinics. Good talking with you too. All the best.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 Well said. Civil conversation on Youtube, what a concept.

[TedwardCo]

Wow, Welch was a really good lawyer. McCarthy was clumsy and proud. BUT HE WAS RIGHT. History vindicates McCarthy. Too bad they won't tell you that in your precious government run schools.

[jcwbluedevil]

An amazing moment. Calmly hammering that awful, hateful man.

[ErisRising]

The reaction of the audience at the end shows just how badly Sen. McCarthy overplayed his hand, and how sickened the people had become by this display of rank opportunism and character assassination. The American people can be fooled, but only for so long.

[dman1311974]

Joe Mccarthy =Great American!

[cjwright79]

Who's more unlikeable, Ricky Nixon or this clown?

[SSArcher11]

No, McCarthy had no sense of decency whatsoever. He was a rank opportunist and an alcoholic whose wings finally began to melt when he attacked the U.S. Army.

[KOHF34]

Look how pissed Welch was at :37. Welch was probably the calmest person in that hearing up until that moment. McCarthy stepped on the last person's toes.

[ziminaiman]

Beautiful moment in American history. Really makes me proud.

[CyeOutsider]

This is the kind of morality missing from America today. The morality of common sense and basic decency. Nobody has the guts to stand up to the ignorant, vicious demagogues currently dominating the American political system and ask them the same question: "Have you no decency?".

[S1NR]

amazing. simply put

[raybradhausen]

Joseph Welch is a hero to any person who, when confronted by a wall of ignorance, didn't have a sledgehammer. Joseph Welch hammered down the wall surrounding Joseph McCarthy and showed him to be a bully cowering in the light. Thank you, Mr. Welch.

[harofire]

"...but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me." = CLASSIC

[bophaisrad]

wow! This man was awesome